Speaker 1: You place your left hand on the Bible and raise
Speaker 1: your right hand and repeat after me. I do solemnly
Speaker 1: swear the jury trying it attended, not scared. The process
Speaker 1: continued this weekend at Ferguson and around the country, resisting
Speaker 1: your it makes no sense. If it doesn't fit, you
Speaker 1: must have quit. Judge, you are the last line of
Speaker 1: reason in this case. Every one of us took it
Speaker 1: all some office and we're sworn to uphold the Constitution.
Speaker 1: From Tenderfoot TV in Atlanta, this is sworn. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: Philip Holloway. I haven't went out investigating, and I asked
Speaker 1: questions like yall, some people, we all thought, tell me,
Speaker 1: some people won't. Some people are scared. When it first happened,
Speaker 1: everybody's like they get killed. Last episode, we talked to
Speaker 1: the local news outlets that covered the Wideman case. We
Speaker 1: also talked to a local family friend. It's been hard
Speaker 1: for us to get a lot of the details straight.
Speaker 1: We needed to talk with the current Turner County Sheriff,
Speaker 1: Andy Hester. I tried sending him a message, and Mason
Speaker 1: tried calling twice, but we got no answer. I reached
Speaker 1: out to him by phone and my text message, but
Speaker 1: I had no love. Finally, I decided to send one
Speaker 1: of the sworn producers in person to see if we
Speaker 1: could ask him some questions about the Wideman case. Seven
Speaker 1: November October September. On our way down to Rebecca, we
Speaker 1: stopped at the Turner County E. M. S and Fire station.
Speaker 1: I met a group of nice people who are willing
Speaker 1: to sit through the fire report documents to find the
Speaker 1: one on the Wideman case. So it's filed in the
Speaker 1: two thousand one because if this player runs one through June.
Speaker 1: They brought out a box of paper files that they
Speaker 1: had in storage July August, September, October, November to Sember.
Speaker 1: Their fiscal year runs July one thro so even though
Speaker 1: the Wyman fire took place in two thousand two, it
Speaker 1: would be filed in with the two thousand one reports.
Speaker 1: So large is into two thousand one would because we
Speaker 1: used to have to do um monthly reports and turn
Speaker 1: it into forestry now, so that means it's either burned
Speaker 1: or it's that's wise not solved because the wards are gone.
Speaker 1: Maybe she's right. They looked for us, but they couldn't
Speaker 1: find any of the two thousand one files Apparently the
Speaker 1: protocol is to keep files dating back ten years and
Speaker 1: after that they're burned. There should be a fire report
Speaker 1: from that. All right, we don't know we threw anything away.
Speaker 1: We were connected with Brad Calhoun, the husband of one
Speaker 1: of the e M T s we've spoken to earlier.
Speaker 1: I know he said that Sheriff's office definitely has a
Speaker 1: copy of it, but yeah, I don't know if he'll
Speaker 1: give it to me. Uh, I call that sho be
Speaker 1: a problem. Brad is the county and District commissioner, so
Speaker 1: he got us in touch with the Sheriff, Andy Hester. Come, well,
Speaker 1: I'm Andy Hester. I'm the sheriff of Turner County. Spent
Speaker 1: about twenty five of my years here in this county.
Speaker 1: Whether it started out with Ashton Police Department and then
Speaker 1: came to the Sheriff's office. We got lucky. Sheriff Hester
Speaker 1: was in his office and he was willing to talk
Speaker 1: to us. Status of the cases. It's open. It's raw
Speaker 1: to all of us that work here, because it is
Speaker 1: to me one being. I grew up here and I
Speaker 1: knew the family to being. I'm the sheriff of this
Speaker 1: county and people expect me to keep things fresh and
Speaker 1: and worked on. And that's what my goal is, to
Speaker 1: make sure that it's not, let you know, laying down stagnant.
Speaker 1: Since I've been sheriff, I know I've called the gb
Speaker 1: office and met with their sack at the time that
Speaker 1: came down when I first become sheriff, I called him
Speaker 1: and asked him to come. And that was the specific
Speaker 1: reason as they picked this case back up and please
Speaker 1: look at it harder and look at it. If anything
Speaker 1: was not turned over, to turn it over. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of information. I can't tell you that there's not
Speaker 1: something there that could solve the case. I can't tell
Speaker 1: you that there is, but I can say that there's
Speaker 1: a lot of information that's been gathered. It's very important
Speaker 1: that people if they know anything, it don't matter if
Speaker 1: they think it's important or not. It might be a
Speaker 1: little piece of thread that connects two things together that
Speaker 1: we need connected that will solve the case. And uh
Speaker 1: to I want to tell people that, yes, it will
Speaker 1: be solved. I want to tell them that, and I
Speaker 1: want them to be encouraged to anything they here to.
Speaker 1: Please call and tell us us what we're here for.
Speaker 1: They ain't gonna be bothering us. They ain't gonna cause
Speaker 1: us to have any undo work that we don't need
Speaker 1: to do. We need to do that work. You know,
Speaker 1: if they don't trust the sheriff's office called the g
Speaker 1: B office. Those guys, they didn't grow up here, They
Speaker 1: don't have any friends, and they involved in either side.
Speaker 1: And if there's any question, I hope there's not. I
Speaker 1: hope the public that has all the confident and trust
Speaker 1: in the world in the sheriff and the Sheriff's office here.
Speaker 1: But if they don't, there's an avenue that they can
Speaker 1: take to keep us clear of the information. They can
Speaker 1: call the GBI and the g B I will work
Speaker 1: that case with that information without us even knowing. That's fine.
Speaker 1: I want the case solved. I don't care how it solved.
Speaker 1: I don't care who it is that did it. We
Speaker 1: want them in jail. They murdered three people, and uh,
Speaker 1: they need to be brought to justice. That's what our
Speaker 1: goal is. And I wish we could release a lot
Speaker 1: of information out there to people like you that are
Speaker 1: wanting to all you want to do solve the case.
Speaker 1: I wish we could, and I don't want it to
Speaker 1: seem like that we stonlee walling or putting up barricades
Speaker 1: for you or the public. But there's just things that
Speaker 1: are detrimental to cases that you don't release. Early on,
Speaker 1: in our interview with the sheriff, we were met with
Speaker 1: a common roadblock in cases like this. I really can't
Speaker 1: tell you that information because it's it would be information
Speaker 1: that don't need to be released. You see, with multiple
Speaker 1: agencies involved and the fact that they all consider this
Speaker 1: technically an ongoing investigation, whatever that means, even though it's
Speaker 1: nearly been fifteen years, they still don't want to open
Speaker 1: up about the facts of the case, and that would
Speaker 1: be something you'd have to talk to the GBI about.
Speaker 1: They still don't want to talk about what they're doing
Speaker 1: to keep this case moving. I couldn't release any of
Speaker 1: that information to you. I wouldn't be able to release
Speaker 1: that information. The g b I would have to release
Speaker 1: that to you. That's information that the g b I
Speaker 1: would have to least if it's released. I can't tell
Speaker 1: you that either. Are they doing what Sheriff Kendrick pleaded
Speaker 1: with the gb I to do back in two thousand
Speaker 1: and five. Are they actually doing something or is it
Speaker 1: just simply sitting on a shelf somewhere collecting dust. Any
Speaker 1: murder supporting to me. And I've had people say, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we have other cases that y'all don't put
Speaker 1: as much interest in we did. And some of those
Speaker 1: are not murders. They've been a suicide, or they've been
Speaker 1: something else. And of course the family is always convinced
Speaker 1: that their family members was a victim of somebody else's hand.
Speaker 1: That's not always the case. And sometimes you show that
Speaker 1: it was what it is and they're not satisfied with it.
Speaker 1: And I understand that I would probably be the same
Speaker 1: way if it was somebody I loved. But we have
Speaker 1: no interest of it in solve crimes. We don't make
Speaker 1: my check go up to solve a murder, and it
Speaker 1: don't make it go down to not solve the murder.
Speaker 1: My interests and my heart is to put bad guys
Speaker 1: in jail for committing crimes, going home and laying my
Speaker 1: head down, and I know, and I'm doing the right
Speaker 1: thing for my family's name and for the public. Is
Speaker 1: is my goal. I don't gain anything from covering something
Speaker 1: up or uncovering something. It don't gain me anything. What
Speaker 1: will gain me is if I do the right thing
Speaker 1: and put people in jail at the criminals, that's the goal.
Speaker 1: I just want the public to know and we depend
Speaker 1: on them as much as we depend on each other
Speaker 1: to get his job done. Once that it was determined
Speaker 1: that they were someone in the house at some point
Speaker 1: that morning, we contact the g b I and let
Speaker 1: them come to the scene and started processing the scene.
Speaker 1: After the fires extinguished and determined that there were people
Speaker 1: in the home, they came and processed it before anything
Speaker 1: was moved from the residents at all. They came initially
Speaker 1: before and once the fire was out, before anything was
Speaker 1: taken from the scene. Gb I was called a make
Speaker 1: process the scene, crime scene taped off and there was
Speaker 1: uh several days passed before that scene was released. I
Speaker 1: do know that the the remains of the home was
Speaker 1: sifted through, and I mean sifted. I'm talking about sifted
Speaker 1: with a piece of equipment that sifts ashes and things
Speaker 1: of that nature. So I know that it was processed thoroughly.
Speaker 1: We asked the sheriff about the fire reports. He didn't
Speaker 1: have them, and it sounded like he'd never even seen them.
Speaker 1: Now Brad told me that they I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know if they could find it or whatever. UM there
Speaker 1: should be a copy of the fire Department UM report
Speaker 1: in the in the case file, and I mean that
Speaker 1: would have been all in that. There's a box of
Speaker 1: stuff that the gb I has and it's all in
Speaker 1: that case file. I know there's a lot of information
Speaker 1: out there because people, however, they found out information that
Speaker 1: you know, there's been a lot of and some speculation
Speaker 1: and some could be truth to some of it. I
Speaker 1: couldn't confirm or deny. I know that the contact was
Speaker 1: made with their families that morning. I don't know where
Speaker 1: they were at reference to where they were when they
Speaker 1: were contacted. I do know that some of the family
Speaker 1: members came out to the scene that morning. So as
Speaker 1: far as who contacted them, where they were at when
Speaker 1: they were contacted, I don't I didn't contact them myself,
Speaker 1: So whoever done that, I know it's probably in the
Speaker 1: case file, but I don't know who did it or
Speaker 1: where they were at when they were contacted. Some of
Speaker 1: them live in Rebecca and some of them live in Tifton,
Speaker 1: and so they were probably notified pretty quickly after it
Speaker 1: was determined. You know that that somebody was in the house.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they were notified pretty quickly after that. I
Speaker 1: know the ones that live in Rebecca, Charles Henry and
Speaker 1: Diane Wyman, Chip Wyman, Larry and his wife has been
Speaker 1: very adamant and persistent, which they should be about, you know,
Speaker 1: the case being worked on and and and I agree
Speaker 1: totally with them, but I know that everybody in the
Speaker 1: county has their opinion what they think, which at this
Speaker 1: time everybody that could be interviewed has been interviewed, whether
Speaker 1: they were a suspect or a person of interest. I
Speaker 1: know the gbis interviewed and exhausted all those avenues, and
Speaker 1: certainly if there's been new ones over the time that
Speaker 1: have come up to g BI has responded quickly and
Speaker 1: promptly to go and follow up any leads. And so
Speaker 1: you know, our hope is through whatever means doing the
Speaker 1: news interviews and things like this, that somebody somewhere will
Speaker 1: you know, remember something, or maybe I have told somebody
Speaker 1: at the time and that person didn't act or whatever
Speaker 1: or didn't relay that information on it. We can rehash
Speaker 1: it again or visit it again, but I can't tell
Speaker 1: you we have a suspect, and I can't tell you
Speaker 1: we don't either I do know that every avenue has
Speaker 1: been checked on that could be checked on, whether it
Speaker 1: led to new information or whether it ruled somebody out
Speaker 1: or rule somebody in. I can't tell you that either,
Speaker 1: but we have and recent as Sunday got information that's
Speaker 1: been given in the case that could be beneficially could
Speaker 1: We don't know yet, but it's everything that we can gather.
Speaker 1: Someone little something can make the difference, and that's what
Speaker 1: we're hoping. And I hope that some little something comes
Speaker 1: along that's the piece to the puzzle that we need.
Speaker 1: And I feel like somebody out there knows something that
Speaker 1: maybe will will help, whether they think they give it
Speaker 1: before and then it just didn't work out or not,
Speaker 1: or I hope they'll refresh it and say, look Sheriff,
Speaker 1: we we've told this before, but we want to tell
Speaker 1: it again, and I make sure that it's you know,
Speaker 1: goes to who it needs to be and it is
Speaker 1: followed up on. I mean, that's my I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like the coaching a deal where I want to
Speaker 1: make sure everything's done that can be done. I think
Speaker 1: that we could have been a lot closer than we
Speaker 1: are now do. I think there's some out there somewhere.
Speaker 1: I do I think there's something that's just not been reported,
Speaker 1: or something that could be picked up on outside that
Speaker 1: physical location there, because everything that could be got from
Speaker 1: that physical location has been got. A fire destroyers a
Speaker 1: lot of things. But I do know that anything it
Speaker 1: could have been collected was collected just out of history
Speaker 1: of doing this job twenty seven years, that when somebody
Speaker 1: acts along, it's a lot harder catch them than it
Speaker 1: is if you've got somebody that's helped them. I know
Speaker 1: that I don't have a clue. We don't. I can't
Speaker 1: tell you if there was one or two or five
Speaker 1: in this instance, but I know that people have a
Speaker 1: hard time keeping their mouth shut. So I hope that
Speaker 1: somebody somewhere knows something and they'll tell I think it
Speaker 1: costs some maybe some anger and people that are just
Speaker 1: convinced that they know who could have done it and
Speaker 1: that that they hadn't been arrested. But it's just not
Speaker 1: that easy, and to just say, well, we think they
Speaker 1: did it, we got to have stuff to put them
Speaker 1: in jail. And so the unfortunate thing is is that
Speaker 1: we as law enforcement. Of course, I got a bunch
Speaker 1: of people here that's that didn't grow up here. I
Speaker 1: know everybody, all of them, they ever part of the
Speaker 1: family on both sides, and uh so, you know, there's
Speaker 1: always speculations about what sheriff knows this and or knows
Speaker 1: that or whatever. But I got investigators and g B
Speaker 1: I work in this case that have no clue who
Speaker 1: any of these people are. They don't have ties to them,
Speaker 1: They ain't connected to them in some form of fashion
Speaker 1: because of living here. And so that alone, I hope
Speaker 1: it takes the conflict out of people's minds that want
Speaker 1: to Shriff can control and do what he wants to
Speaker 1: do with cases, and that's not the case. My interest
Speaker 1: is solved cases. I don't care who they are. But
Speaker 1: if there's anybody that has that kind of a conflict,
Speaker 1: I want them to be assured that the people that
Speaker 1: work this case, that work at the Sheriff's office, energy
Speaker 1: B I have no connection with these families at all
Speaker 1: either way. They don't have a dog and if I
Speaker 1: either way, so there's no influence. I try to stay
Speaker 1: as clear from cases like that. My deputies when they
Speaker 1: go out and answer calls, if they know families like that,
Speaker 1: I'll try to steer another deputy of that location, just
Speaker 1: because of the mere conflict that causes in people's minds.
Speaker 1: So I think that's the only thing that's affected the
Speaker 1: community is they think that they know who did it,
Speaker 1: and they think they should be in jail. And I
Speaker 1: agree with him. I want somebody in jail too that
Speaker 1: did it. As my personal experience, as you always start
Speaker 1: closest you can to the incident, the family and things
Speaker 1: of that nature. So now what kind of cooperation you
Speaker 1: get out of them, I don't have a clue. Some
Speaker 1: of it could be the fact that they are, you know,
Speaker 1: wanting to be patient, let the g b I. They
Speaker 1: don't want to do anything to interfere with the case either,
Speaker 1: And some of it could be other reasons. You know.
Speaker 1: I always start inside the house and work out with
Speaker 1: missing kids because I have found them leading the close
Speaker 1: of a sleep and they think they've been kidnapped and
Speaker 1: they're and they're sleeping the pile of clothes. So I
Speaker 1: always starting to center the house and work out. I
Speaker 1: think that's a good rule of thing for anything. He's
Speaker 1: starting the center of the conflict and work out, you
Speaker 1: find out a lot of things moving outwards. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people question and certainly all those that
Speaker 1: were closest to the family, which I know they were questioned.
Speaker 1: I think they were all interviewed, you know, starting in
Speaker 1: the middle of the house, she started out and question everybody.
Speaker 1: We were all interviewed about everybody, you know, the families
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. We were all interviewed about that stuff.
Speaker 1: You know. Everybody's always skeptical about releasing something that runs
Speaker 1: the case because then it makes us look bad and
Speaker 1: then well the sheriff shouldn't have done that, or he
Speaker 1: he let out something that calls him to lose the case.
Speaker 1: That's we're scared of. We're we're scared of letting out
Speaker 1: one something and then getting the chord and they're throwing
Speaker 1: it out because we released it and it's tainted a
Speaker 1: jury or something like that. That's what we're scared of.
Speaker 1: We're not scared of without have anything to hide. It's
Speaker 1: all about integrity of the case and knowing that a
Speaker 1: lawyer is gonna look for that little chink and he's
Speaker 1: gonna say, well, didn't you tell so and so this,
Speaker 1: and and then that's just it runs that piece of evidence.
Speaker 1: So we're really skeptical about releasing in depth information. It's
Speaker 1: not that we're trying to hide anything from Pope. We
Speaker 1: just don't want to lose the case. It's a two
Speaker 1: edged sword. We want to get it out where we
Speaker 1: can get help. But then if you give it out,
Speaker 1: it costs you an end. So then we're like in
Speaker 1: a two pronged thing that were like how much what
Speaker 1: do you tell? What do you say? I mean, in
Speaker 1: that same lack of ding it would help, but then
Speaker 1: it runs it at the end. I'm not the best
Speaker 1: at at what I do. I strive to be, and
Speaker 1: I probably don't know everything I should and shouldn't release,
Speaker 1: but I try to be as open to the public
Speaker 1: as I can, and they expect me to be knowledgeable
Speaker 1: enough to know if I'm gonna cost the case in
Speaker 1: the end to lose it, and that loses their respect
Speaker 1: to me for that, so then I have to weigh
Speaker 1: out all those options. So it's rough sometimes. Since they're
Speaker 1: still considering this an open investigation, how will we ever
Speaker 1: know if they're doing the things that John Dawes says
Speaker 1: that they should be doing. How are we supposed to
Speaker 1: know if they're actually looking at things, if they're actually
Speaker 1: talking to people Are they reinterviewing witnesses? Are they actually
Speaker 1: doing something? I think the case of fallible yes have
Speaker 1: a father. I don't know, I can't. I think we
Speaker 1: missed our chance. I think the Lord Evin this has
Speaker 1: been Disapperiod. Remember the guy whose name has been censored
Speaker 1: throughout the podcast here is We got hold of him,
Speaker 1: but again he asked us not to use his name.
Speaker 1: He told us the story about one of the persons
Speaker 1: of interest in this case, Jason. Him and Melissa was
Speaker 1: dating at the time, and they tried depinion on him.
Speaker 1: But I don't think he done it. Do you know
Speaker 1: that was his baby, don't you? To recap Jason Walker
Speaker 1: is the supposed father of Melissa's child and immediately a
Speaker 1: target of suspicion. But according to the story that this
Speaker 1: family member told us, somebody he knew corroborated Jason's alibi.
Speaker 1: That night she was at a MC and she went
Speaker 1: and knew Jason walked through either history would dating and that,
Speaker 1: and she says she was at his house that morning
Speaker 1: she felt in his trunk in the hood was cold,
Speaker 1: so he didn't drive that truck to night. He trusted
Speaker 1: that person enough to believe it couldn't be chasing. After
Speaker 1: a while, he began to express the series on who
Speaker 1: may be responsible and told us some findings of his own.
Speaker 1: We was all set up to have a lot to
Speaker 1: text or tests, and the woman's decided they wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: have it, and we didn't have it. And that's all
Speaker 1: I can tell. I mean, you know, for legality plan
Speaker 1: why I can't even they wouldn't know, like giving an
Speaker 1: answer to either all my family would have set up
Speaker 1: to the wood. How did they said, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden commoon, we wouldn't. How did that happen?
Speaker 1: I mean they said other questions like that that I
Speaker 1: could I asked, but I don't. I can't get no evidence.
Speaker 1: This thing consuming my life for three years actored happened,
Speaker 1: and I decided I had to go on my way,
Speaker 1: you know, if faking my whole family, So I haven't
Speaker 1: went out and investigating and asked questions like you'll do
Speaker 1: some people, well thought to me, some people want some
Speaker 1: people are scared. When the first halted, everybody's played, they'n't
Speaker 1: get killed. I wasn't going to be the executor of
Speaker 1: Debra's the states it's all going to the Violen's anyway.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's the money, but they had problems, but
Speaker 1: they kept the best and kift get away from us
Speaker 1: for three months and the wim has hadn't done all
Speaker 1: this stuff, and we didn't know nothing the Paris which
Speaker 1: was a corner Perry funeral, and I didn't know nothing
Speaker 1: about that because July of the third and when we
Speaker 1: met at a lawyer's office, Cyril Bryant's office with Challs
Speaker 1: Hendry Wyman, and I find out they had had the
Speaker 1: best ticket for three months. And that's when I decided
Speaker 1: to be these extra debra states so I could find
Speaker 1: out something they's connections wanted them. Paris wife is kin
Speaker 1: to the Wilds was in Nicole house. All of the
Speaker 1: life insurances were done before anything happened. Before the woman's
Speaker 1: He wasn't exaction and I wouldn't e sak of it.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden got done and we got one
Speaker 1: life insurance to paid debor bills or time to in
Speaker 1: dever fields. They wasn't dead heavily. Wine was held back
Speaker 1: that they got the life assurance, they sold the car,
Speaker 1: they got a car insurance. They got everything before the
Speaker 1: legal process started. Does that make sense if you don't
Speaker 1: have a will to go back to the paternal grandmother.
Speaker 1: You check it out and see if I'm right. Tom
Speaker 1: and Joe the ever had ones I love you will
Speaker 1: so I leave you, you leave me, and if I
Speaker 1: die first, it says, if you know what I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: Melissa did. If that baby had been born, that would
Speaker 1: have brought the Walkers into the state. The Wiemans wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been divided up. If White was in our death
Speaker 1: dead anyway, and the Whitemans was in financial trouble or
Speaker 1: that point the finger as the man from America most
Speaker 1: woman told me, he followed the money, and you get
Speaker 1: the criminals full five million dollars two til Nature's land
Speaker 1: once you stop house running, ding the beach on the ocean.
Speaker 1: From the outside, it may not appear that the Wideman
Speaker 1: inheritance was exceptionally large, but according to him, when it
Speaker 1: was broken down, it amounted to four or five million dollars.
Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot with Kendrick and the
Speaker 1: way I was together. They've been seen going through parties
Speaker 1: in Ferordo and limousines and things like ball games and
Speaker 1: things like that. He stopped everything. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: if it's powerful man. He stopped a lot of plans.
Speaker 1: He stopped you be, I feel, and that's rain and
Speaker 1: I think he's boiling down to the why I was
Speaker 1: living Rebucca. They was one of the ones, first ones
Speaker 1: out there. And then Randy Kenny was a surer and
Speaker 1: he stopped a lot of things, just like investigation or
Speaker 1: things like he's the one to give tho Kater, but
Speaker 1: it was the house down a friend to whoever done
Speaker 1: it is gonna after polk or who listened. And here's often, well,
Speaker 1: you know, GB, I am don't tell you much or nothing,
Speaker 1: so I can't verify things will say it or told
Speaker 1: or nothing. I can't. I don't know when you said
Speaker 1: in my opposition, ain't nobody gonna talk to you? In
Speaker 1: the enforcement horror, that's where he not got investigated. He
Speaker 1: told me that he couldn't tell me. I thank you
Speaker 1: that Taylor enforcement but be enforced did let him do nothing.
Speaker 1: And he's retired in Jacksonville. For it cost me five
Speaker 1: dollars for him to come up here and ride and
Speaker 1: thought Randy candidates and go back. And then he said,
Speaker 1: you know, if I can't get a piece of information,
Speaker 1: let's start on and if he put us out of
Speaker 1: the word, don't talk at about it. The ain't nothing
Speaker 1: I can do. I'll be wasting your money. So that
Speaker 1: mysterious phone call we played last episode, we shared it
Speaker 1: with this individual, turns out ten years earlier, he'd heard
Speaker 1: a similar story from the same person. He's a good
Speaker 1: possibility for he's saying, they said that the truth to
Speaker 1: its very possible to have that way, just without all
Speaker 1: the details. He and go onto this day tail like
Speaker 1: you like you got no he did not. No. I
Speaker 1: don't know. We need to learned all this either. All
Speaker 1: I know it was all of a sudden at that
Speaker 1: he got killed in a call red and again when
Speaker 1: them coincidence or whatever. These a lot of things happening
Speaker 1: over the years. A lot of people have died a
Speaker 1: new times. Not many years after these murders took place.
Speaker 1: The key player in the story died in a car wreck,
Speaker 1: but according to the story, other even more important players
Speaker 1: are still alive. I think they wrote a lot of
Speaker 1: things off then. I don't know what they had lives on,
Speaker 1: or they had their lives focused on it. To give
Speaker 1: the g B. I are they gonna do anything? I
Speaker 1: don't know, Uh, they if you for sure it yourself.
Speaker 1: I don't know which way he's gonna be the best.
Speaker 1: Remember when we played an anonymous call in episode two.
Speaker 1: We've decided we want to play you some more, but
Speaker 1: we're still keeping the names out of it. Who will
Speaker 1: never probably never taught speak of it. They were good
Speaker 1: friends with this chick wideman I believe hired the people
Speaker 1: that murdered those people that murdered him and burned the house.
Speaker 1: It's a hell of a story. Now why am I
Speaker 1: interested in it? Who was a drug addict and an
Speaker 1: alcoholic and who finally killed himself in a high speed
Speaker 1: car accident. He were the alibi that night for the
Speaker 1: prime suspect in the murder case. Do you understand what
Speaker 1: I'm telling you? They were his only alibi. Our producer
Speaker 1: Pain received that phone call a year ago when we
Speaker 1: started this warn investigation. Mason reached out to the same
Speaker 1: individual to get some input on the story. A half
Speaker 1: hour later, he called me some back. Hello is this
Speaker 1: Mason Linday? Yes, this is don't ever call me about this.
Speaker 1: I don't like your brother, I don't like you, and
Speaker 1: I don't know what God damn think about the murdering
Speaker 1: case you asked me about, but I do know a
Speaker 1: by Joan what a bunch of swine you are, so
Speaker 1: don't ever call me. Okay. We decided that this information
Speaker 1: was too sensitive to sit on by ourselves, so executive
Speaker 1: producer Payne Lindsay and I made an editorial decision and
Speaker 1: decided that Payne should contact Jason Shadell of the Georgia
Speaker 1: Bureau of Investigation and he passed this information along. Will
Speaker 1: continue to follow this case in the future and plan
Speaker 1: to come out with more episodes in a few months.
Speaker 1: So please, if you have any information at all about
Speaker 1: this case, contact the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. You can
Speaker 1: also contact us directly at Sworn tips at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: Sworn is produced by Tenderfoot TV in Atlanta. Story and
Speaker 1: production by Payne Lindsay, Mason Lindsay and Meredith Steadman and
Speaker 1: myself Philip Holloway. Sound designed by Payne Lindsay, executive producers
Speaker 1: Donald Albright and Payne Lindsay. Mixed and mastered by Resonate Recordings. Also,
Speaker 1: if you haven't yet, please check out our sister podcast,
Speaker 1: Up and Vanished that follows the investigation into the disappearance
Speaker 1: of Georgia high school teacher and beauty queen Tara Grinstead.
Speaker 1: Up and Vanished is available now on Apple Podcasts. Thanks
Speaker 1: for listening. This is Philip Holloway and I'll see you
Speaker 1: next time on Sworn