WEBVTT - The Widemans : Part 3 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:10.920 You place your left hand on the Bible and raise 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:14.560 your right hand and repeat after me. I do solemnly 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:18.920 swear the jury trying it attended, not scared. The process 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:22.400 continued this weekend at Ferguson and around the country, resisting 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:25.640 your it makes no sense. If it doesn't fit, you 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:29.000 must have quit. Judge, you are the last line of 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:32.760 reason in this case. Every one of us took it 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:36.640 all some office and we're sworn to uphold the Constitution. 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:42.479 From Tenderfoot TV in Atlanta, this is sworn. I'm your host, 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:46.640 Philip Holloway. I haven't went out investigating, and I asked 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:49.440 questions like yall, some people, we all thought, tell me, 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:53.120 some people won't. Some people are scared. When it first happened, 0:00:53.360 --> 0:01:04.440 everybody's like they get killed. Last episode, we talked to 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:07.399 the local news outlets that covered the Wideman case. We 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:10.400 also talked to a local family friend. It's been hard 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:12.279 for us to get a lot of the details straight. 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:15.520 We needed to talk with the current Turner County Sheriff, 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:18.839 Andy Hester. I tried sending him a message, and Mason 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:23.080 tried calling twice, but we got no answer. I reached 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:25.399 out to him by phone and my text message, but 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:28.720 I had no love. Finally, I decided to send one 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:31.319 of the sworn producers in person to see if we 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:38.559 could ask him some questions about the Wideman case. Seven 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:45.399 November October September. On our way down to Rebecca, we 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:47.800 stopped at the Turner County E. M. S and Fire station. 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:49.760 I met a group of nice people who are willing 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.040 to sit through the fire report documents to find the 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:56.160 one on the Wideman case. So it's filed in the 0:01:56.240 --> 0:02:03.120 two thousand one because if this player runs one through June. 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.520 They brought out a box of paper files that they 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:11.320 had in storage July August, September, October, November to Sember. 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:16.120 Their fiscal year runs July one thro so even though 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:18.600 the Wyman fire took place in two thousand two, it 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:20.639 would be filed in with the two thousand one reports. 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:24.640 So large is into two thousand one would because we 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.480 used to have to do um monthly reports and turn 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.600 it into forestry now, so that means it's either burned 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:36.760 or it's that's wise not solved because the wards are gone. 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:41.280 Maybe she's right. They looked for us, but they couldn't 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:44.240 find any of the two thousand one files Apparently the 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:47.560 protocol is to keep files dating back ten years and 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:51.239 after that they're burned. There should be a fire report 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:54.480 from that. All right, we don't know we threw anything away. 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.320 We were connected with Brad Calhoun, the husband of one 0:02:57.320 --> 0:02:59.200 of the e M T s we've spoken to earlier. 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.400 I know he said that Sheriff's office definitely has a 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:04.919 copy of it, but yeah, I don't know if he'll 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:09.240 give it to me. Uh, I call that sho be 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.680 a problem. Brad is the county and District commissioner, so 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:24.680 he got us in touch with the Sheriff, Andy Hester. Come, well, 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:29.239 I'm Andy Hester. I'm the sheriff of Turner County. Spent 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:33.799 about twenty five of my years here in this county. 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.080 Whether it started out with Ashton Police Department and then 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:40.120 came to the Sheriff's office. We got lucky. Sheriff Hester 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:43.320 was in his office and he was willing to talk 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.960 to us. Status of the cases. It's open. It's raw 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.040 to all of us that work here, because it is 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:52.360 to me one being. I grew up here and I 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:55.360 knew the family to being. I'm the sheriff of this 0:03:55.480 --> 0:04:00.200 county and people expect me to keep things fresh and 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:02.640 and worked on. And that's what my goal is, to 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:05.880 make sure that it's not, let you know, laying down stagnant. 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:08.400 Since I've been sheriff, I know I've called the gb 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.960 office and met with their sack at the time that 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.280 came down when I first become sheriff, I called him 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:16.400 and asked him to come. And that was the specific 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:19.520 reason as they picked this case back up and please 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:21.359 look at it harder and look at it. If anything 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.919 was not turned over, to turn it over. There's a 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:29.000 lot of information. I can't tell you that there's not 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:31.240 something there that could solve the case. I can't tell 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:34.400 you that there is, but I can say that there's 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:37.960 a lot of information that's been gathered. It's very important 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:42.200 that people if they know anything, it don't matter if 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.640 they think it's important or not. It might be a 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.240 little piece of thread that connects two things together that 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:51.680 we need connected that will solve the case. And uh 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.640 to I want to tell people that, yes, it will 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.520 be solved. I want to tell them that, and I 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:00.840 want them to be encouraged to anything they here to. 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:02.839 Please call and tell us us what we're here for. 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:06.440 They ain't gonna be bothering us. They ain't gonna cause 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.800 us to have any undo work that we don't need 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.360 to do. We need to do that work. You know, 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:15.360 if they don't trust the sheriff's office called the g 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:19.320 B office. Those guys, they didn't grow up here, They 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:22.040 don't have any friends, and they involved in either side. 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.479 And if there's any question, I hope there's not. I 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.119 hope the public that has all the confident and trust 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:29.839 in the world in the sheriff and the Sheriff's office here. 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:32.920 But if they don't, there's an avenue that they can 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.640 take to keep us clear of the information. They can 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:38.680 call the GBI and the g B I will work 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:42.200 that case with that information without us even knowing. That's fine. 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.120 I want the case solved. I don't care how it solved. 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:48.080 I don't care who it is that did it. We 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:52.640 want them in jail. They murdered three people, and uh, 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.120 they need to be brought to justice. That's what our 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.000 goal is. And I wish we could release a lot 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:01.120 of information out there to people like you that are 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:03.239 wanting to all you want to do solve the case. 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:06.320 I wish we could, and I don't want it to 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:10.400 seem like that we stonlee walling or putting up barricades 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:12.640 for you or the public. But there's just things that 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:16.039 are detrimental to cases that you don't release. Early on, 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:18.240 in our interview with the sheriff, we were met with 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.599 a common roadblock in cases like this. I really can't 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.920 tell you that information because it's it would be information 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:28.000 that don't need to be released. You see, with multiple 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:31.240 agencies involved and the fact that they all consider this 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:35.520 technically an ongoing investigation, whatever that means, even though it's 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:39.440 nearly been fifteen years, they still don't want to open 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:42.520 up about the facts of the case, and that would 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:44.480 be something you'd have to talk to the GBI about. 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.919 They still don't want to talk about what they're doing 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:50.919 to keep this case moving. I couldn't release any of 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.360 that information to you. I wouldn't be able to release 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.880 that information. The g b I would have to release 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:59.400 that to you. That's information that the g b I 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.440 would have to least if it's released. I can't tell 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:05.760 you that either. Are they doing what Sheriff Kendrick pleaded 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:07.839 with the gb I to do back in two thousand 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:11.280 and five. Are they actually doing something or is it 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:15.880 just simply sitting on a shelf somewhere collecting dust. Any 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.400 murder supporting to me. And I've had people say, well, 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:20.760 you know, we have other cases that y'all don't put 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:23.520 as much interest in we did. And some of those 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:26.080 are not murders. They've been a suicide, or they've been 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.520 something else. And of course the family is always convinced 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.760 that their family members was a victim of somebody else's hand. 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.280 That's not always the case. And sometimes you show that 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.880 it was what it is and they're not satisfied with it. 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.920 And I understand that I would probably be the same 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:44.360 way if it was somebody I loved. But we have 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:46.720 no interest of it in solve crimes. We don't make 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:49.320 my check go up to solve a murder, and it 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:51.400 don't make it go down to not solve the murder. 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.880 My interests and my heart is to put bad guys 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.840 in jail for committing crimes, going home and laying my 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:58.560 head down, and I know, and I'm doing the right 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:01.840 thing for my family's name and for the public. Is 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:05.040 is my goal. I don't gain anything from covering something 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.960 up or uncovering something. It don't gain me anything. What 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:10.360 will gain me is if I do the right thing 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:12.800 and put people in jail at the criminals, that's the goal. 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:15.880 I just want the public to know and we depend 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.160 on them as much as we depend on each other 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.400 to get his job done. Once that it was determined 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:25.000 that they were someone in the house at some point 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.520 that morning, we contact the g b I and let 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:32.480 them come to the scene and started processing the scene. 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:36.480 After the fires extinguished and determined that there were people 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:41.079 in the home, they came and processed it before anything 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:44.719 was moved from the residents at all. They came initially 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.200 before and once the fire was out, before anything was 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:51.160 taken from the scene. Gb I was called a make 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:54.839 process the scene, crime scene taped off and there was 0:08:55.080 --> 0:09:00.360 uh several days passed before that scene was released. I 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.840 do know that the the remains of the home was 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:08.200 sifted through, and I mean sifted. I'm talking about sifted 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.720 with a piece of equipment that sifts ashes and things 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:14.280 of that nature. So I know that it was processed thoroughly. 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.800 We asked the sheriff about the fire reports. He didn't 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:20.800 have them, and it sounded like he'd never even seen them. 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:24.120 Now Brad told me that they I don't I don't 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:28.560 know if they could find it or whatever. UM there 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:32.360 should be a copy of the fire Department UM report 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.040 in the in the case file, and I mean that 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.400 would have been all in that. There's a box of 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:39.480 stuff that the gb I has and it's all in 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.040 that case file. I know there's a lot of information 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:46.079 out there because people, however, they found out information that 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:49.360 you know, there's been a lot of and some speculation 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.000 and some could be truth to some of it. I 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:55.080 couldn't confirm or deny. I know that the contact was 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:58.520 made with their families that morning. I don't know where 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:02.160 they were at reference to where they were when they 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.160 were contacted. I do know that some of the family 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:07.520 members came out to the scene that morning. So as 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.280 far as who contacted them, where they were at when 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:13.200 they were contacted, I don't I didn't contact them myself, 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:16.120 So whoever done that, I know it's probably in the 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:17.679 case file, but I don't know who did it or 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.440 where they were at when they were contacted. Some of 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.160 them live in Rebecca and some of them live in Tifton, 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:28.000 and so they were probably notified pretty quickly after it 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.760 was determined. You know that that somebody was in the house. 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:33.320 I'm sure they were notified pretty quickly after that. I 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:35.920 know the ones that live in Rebecca, Charles Henry and 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:41.440 Diane Wyman, Chip Wyman, Larry and his wife has been 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:46.600 very adamant and persistent, which they should be about, you know, 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.880 the case being worked on and and and I agree 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:52.640 totally with them, but I know that everybody in the 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:56.280 county has their opinion what they think, which at this 0:10:56.360 --> 0:11:00.520 time everybody that could be interviewed has been interviewed, whether 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:02.520 they were a suspect or a person of interest. I 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:06.520 know the gbis interviewed and exhausted all those avenues, and 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.120 certainly if there's been new ones over the time that 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:12.280 have come up to g BI has responded quickly and 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.600 promptly to go and follow up any leads. And so 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:19.840 you know, our hope is through whatever means doing the 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:24.400 news interviews and things like this, that somebody somewhere will 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:28.120 you know, remember something, or maybe I have told somebody 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:30.520 at the time and that person didn't act or whatever 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.840 or didn't relay that information on it. We can rehash 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.760 it again or visit it again, but I can't tell 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:38.440 you we have a suspect, and I can't tell you 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:41.200 we don't either I do know that every avenue has 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:44.120 been checked on that could be checked on, whether it 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:48.080 led to new information or whether it ruled somebody out 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.439 or rule somebody in. I can't tell you that either, 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:55.559 but we have and recent as Sunday got information that's 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:59.520 been given in the case that could be beneficially could 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:02.520 We don't know yet, but it's everything that we can gather. 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:05.800 Someone little something can make the difference, and that's what 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.920 we're hoping. And I hope that some little something comes 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.040 along that's the piece to the puzzle that we need. 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.920 And I feel like somebody out there knows something that 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:17.120 maybe will will help, whether they think they give it 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.320 before and then it just didn't work out or not, 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:22.800 or I hope they'll refresh it and say, look Sheriff, 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:24.880 we we've told this before, but we want to tell 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.960 it again, and I make sure that it's you know, 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:29.679 goes to who it needs to be and it is 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:32.480 followed up on. I mean, that's my I kind of 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.160 feel like the coaching a deal where I want to 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:39.080 make sure everything's done that can be done. I think 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:40.760 that we could have been a lot closer than we 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:43.120 are now do. I think there's some out there somewhere. 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:46.120 I do I think there's something that's just not been reported, 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.960 or something that could be picked up on outside that 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:54.480 physical location there, because everything that could be got from 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.920 that physical location has been got. A fire destroyers a 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:00.080 lot of things. But I do know that anything it 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:04.560 could have been collected was collected just out of history 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.240 of doing this job twenty seven years, that when somebody 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:09.240 acts along, it's a lot harder catch them than it 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:12.200 is if you've got somebody that's helped them. I know 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:15.319 that I don't have a clue. We don't. I can't 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:17.000 tell you if there was one or two or five 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:20.200 in this instance, but I know that people have a 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:23.440 hard time keeping their mouth shut. So I hope that 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:27.120 somebody somewhere knows something and they'll tell I think it 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:30.800 costs some maybe some anger and people that are just 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.720 convinced that they know who could have done it and 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:36.000 that that they hadn't been arrested. But it's just not 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:38.199 that easy, and to just say, well, we think they 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:40.480 did it, we got to have stuff to put them 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:44.720 in jail. And so the unfortunate thing is is that 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.320 we as law enforcement. Of course, I got a bunch 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.880 of people here that's that didn't grow up here. I 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.360 know everybody, all of them, they ever part of the 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:57.600 family on both sides, and uh so, you know, there's 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:01.320 always speculations about what sheriff knows this and or knows 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:03.559 that or whatever. But I got investigators and g B 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:06.160 I work in this case that have no clue who 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.240 any of these people are. They don't have ties to them, 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:11.400 They ain't connected to them in some form of fashion 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:15.600 because of living here. And so that alone, I hope 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.880 it takes the conflict out of people's minds that want 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.120 to Shriff can control and do what he wants to 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:24.000 do with cases, and that's not the case. My interest 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.840 is solved cases. I don't care who they are. But 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:29.200 if there's anybody that has that kind of a conflict, 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:31.280 I want them to be assured that the people that 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:34.160 work this case, that work at the Sheriff's office, energy 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:36.720 B I have no connection with these families at all 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:38.560 either way. They don't have a dog and if I 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.520 either way, so there's no influence. I try to stay 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:46.520 as clear from cases like that. My deputies when they 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.240 go out and answer calls, if they know families like that, 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.840 I'll try to steer another deputy of that location, just 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:56.240 because of the mere conflict that causes in people's minds. 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.960 So I think that's the only thing that's affected the 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.120 community is they think that they know who did it, 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:02.840 and they think they should be in jail. And I 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:04.800 agree with him. I want somebody in jail too that 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.920 did it. As my personal experience, as you always start 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:12.040 closest you can to the incident, the family and things 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:16.000 of that nature. So now what kind of cooperation you 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.560 get out of them, I don't have a clue. Some 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:20.680 of it could be the fact that they are, you know, 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:22.640 wanting to be patient, let the g b I. They 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:24.600 don't want to do anything to interfere with the case either, 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:26.840 And some of it could be other reasons. You know. 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:30.000 I always start inside the house and work out with 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.440 missing kids because I have found them leading the close 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.560 of a sleep and they think they've been kidnapped and 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.680 they're and they're sleeping the pile of clothes. So I 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:38.960 always starting to center the house and work out. I 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.040 think that's a good rule of thing for anything. He's 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:43.840 starting the center of the conflict and work out, you 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.600 find out a lot of things moving outwards. So there's 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.320 a lot of people question and certainly all those that 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:52.720 were closest to the family, which I know they were questioned. 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:56.000 I think they were all interviewed, you know, starting in 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:59.000 the middle of the house, she started out and question everybody. 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:03.400 We were all interviewed about everybody, you know, the families 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:05.880 and stuff like that. We were all interviewed about that stuff. 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:10.040 You know. Everybody's always skeptical about releasing something that runs 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:11.760 the case because then it makes us look bad and 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.200 then well the sheriff shouldn't have done that, or he 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:16.360 he let out something that calls him to lose the case. 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.080 That's we're scared of. We're we're scared of letting out 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:22.680 one something and then getting the chord and they're throwing 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.880 it out because we released it and it's tainted a 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.000 jury or something like that. That's what we're scared of. 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.760 We're not scared of without have anything to hide. It's 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.480 all about integrity of the case and knowing that a 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:36.240 lawyer is gonna look for that little chink and he's 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:38.280 gonna say, well, didn't you tell so and so this, 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:41.080 and and then that's just it runs that piece of evidence. 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:45.760 So we're really skeptical about releasing in depth information. It's 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:47.920 not that we're trying to hide anything from Pope. We 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:50.920 just don't want to lose the case. It's a two 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:52.760 edged sword. We want to get it out where we 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.320 can get help. But then if you give it out, 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.080 it costs you an end. So then we're like in 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.200 a two pronged thing that were like how much what 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:01.240 do you tell? What do you say? I mean, in 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:04.160 that same lack of ding it would help, but then 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:06.879 it runs it at the end. I'm not the best 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:08.959 at at what I do. I strive to be, and 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:12.359 I probably don't know everything I should and shouldn't release, 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.560 but I try to be as open to the public 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:19.440 as I can, and they expect me to be knowledgeable 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:21.200 enough to know if I'm gonna cost the case in 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:23.439 the end to lose it, and that loses their respect 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:25.120 to me for that, so then I have to weigh 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:33.640 out all those options. So it's rough sometimes. Since they're 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:37.440 still considering this an open investigation, how will we ever 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.600 know if they're doing the things that John Dawes says 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.159 that they should be doing. How are we supposed to 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:46.560 know if they're actually looking at things, if they're actually 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:50.680 talking to people Are they reinterviewing witnesses? Are they actually 0:17:50.680 --> 0:18:02.640 doing something? I think the case of fallible yes have 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:07.480 a father. I don't know, I can't. I think we 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:09.719 missed our chance. I think the Lord Evin this has 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:15.359 been Disapperiod. Remember the guy whose name has been censored 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:19.840 throughout the podcast here is We got hold of him, 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.080 but again he asked us not to use his name. 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:24.919 He told us the story about one of the persons 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:32.200 of interest in this case, Jason. Him and Melissa was 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:36.400 dating at the time, and they tried depinion on him. 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.280 But I don't think he done it. Do you know 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:43.919 that was his baby, don't you? To recap Jason Walker 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:47.040 is the supposed father of Melissa's child and immediately a 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:49.840 target of suspicion. But according to the story that this 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:53.280 family member told us, somebody he knew corroborated Jason's alibi. 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:56.160 That night she was at a MC and she went 0:18:56.200 --> 0:19:00.800 and knew Jason walked through either history would dating and that, 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:02.880 and she says she was at his house that morning 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:05.760 she felt in his trunk in the hood was cold, 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:12.639 so he didn't drive that truck to night. He trusted 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:16.720 that person enough to believe it couldn't be chasing. After 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:19.080 a while, he began to express the series on who 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:21.640 may be responsible and told us some findings of his own. 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:23.600 We was all set up to have a lot to 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:27.000 text or tests, and the woman's decided they wasn't gonna 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:29.120 have it, and we didn't have it. And that's all 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:32.000 I can tell. I mean, you know, for legality plan 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:34.399 why I can't even they wouldn't know, like giving an 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:38.239 answer to either all my family would have set up 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:40.320 to the wood. How did they said, and then all 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:43.320 of a sudden commoon, we wouldn't. How did that happen? 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:47.320 I mean they said other questions like that that I 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:50.480 could I asked, but I don't. I can't get no evidence. 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:56.000 This thing consuming my life for three years actored happened, 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:58.240 and I decided I had to go on my way, 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:01.679 you know, if faking my whole family, So I haven't 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.200 went out and investigating and asked questions like you'll do 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:07.560 some people, well thought to me, some people want some 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:12.040 people are scared. When the first halted, everybody's played, they'n't 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:15.000 get killed. I wasn't going to be the executor of 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:18.440 Debra's the states it's all going to the Violen's anyway. 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:22.199 I mean, there's the money, but they had problems, but 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:24.760 they kept the best and kift get away from us 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:28.120 for three months and the wim has hadn't done all 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:33.280 this stuff, and we didn't know nothing the Paris which 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:36.360 was a corner Perry funeral, and I didn't know nothing 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:39.000 about that because July of the third and when we 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:43.480 met at a lawyer's office, Cyril Bryant's office with Challs 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:47.080 Hendry Wyman, and I find out they had had the 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:51.040 best ticket for three months. And that's when I decided 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:53.160 to be these extra debra states so I could find 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:59.119 out something they's connections wanted them. Paris wife is kin 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:02.240 to the Wilds was in Nicole house. All of the 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:06.520 life insurances were done before anything happened. Before the woman's 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:08.840 He wasn't exaction and I wouldn't e sak of it. 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:11.520 All of a sudden got done and we got one 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:14.280 life insurance to paid debor bills or time to in 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:17.880 dever fields. They wasn't dead heavily. Wine was held back 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:20.040 that they got the life assurance, they sold the car, 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:23.639 they got a car insurance. They got everything before the 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:27.080 legal process started. Does that make sense if you don't 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:30.119 have a will to go back to the paternal grandmother. 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:33.200 You check it out and see if I'm right. Tom 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:36.359 and Joe the ever had ones I love you will 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:38.280 so I leave you, you leave me, and if I 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:40.800 die first, it says, if you know what I'm talking about, 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:45.120