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Speaker 1: Philip Holloway. I haven't went out investigating, and I asked

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Speaker 1: that Taylor enforcement but be enforced did let him do nothing.

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Speaker 1: And he's retired in Jacksonville. For it cost me five

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Speaker 1: thought Randy candidates and go back. And then he said,

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Speaker 1: let's start on and if he put us out of

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Speaker 1: the word, don't talk at about it. The ain't nothing

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Speaker 1: I can do. I'll be wasting your money. So that

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Speaker 1: with this individual, turns out ten years earlier, he'd heard

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Speaker 1: a similar story from the same person. He's a good

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Speaker 1: its very possible to have that way, just without all

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Speaker 1: the details. He and go onto this day tail like

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Speaker 1: you like you got no he did not. No. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. We need to learned all this either. All

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Speaker 1: I know it was all of a sudden at that

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Speaker 1: new times. Not many years after these murders took place.

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Speaker 1: The key player in the story died in a car wreck,

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Speaker 1: or they had their lives focused on it. To give

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Speaker 1: the g B. I are they gonna do anything? I

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Speaker 1: don't know, Uh, they if you for sure it yourself.

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Speaker 1: I don't know which way he's gonna be the best.

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Speaker 1: Remember when we played an anonymous call in episode two.

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Speaker 1: We've decided we want to play you some more, but

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Speaker 1: we're still keeping the names out of it. Who will

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Speaker 1: never probably never taught speak of it. They were good

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Speaker 1: friends with this chick wideman I believe hired the people

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Speaker 1: It's a hell of a story. Now why am I

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Speaker 1: interested in it? Who was a drug addict and an

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Speaker 1: car accident. He were the alibi that night for the

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Speaker 1: prime suspect in the murder case. Do you understand what

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you? They were his only alibi. Our producer

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Speaker 1: Pain received that phone call a year ago when we

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Speaker 1: started this warn investigation. Mason reached out to the same

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Speaker 1: individual to get some input on the story. A half

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Speaker 1: hour later, he called me some back. Hello is this

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Speaker 1: Mason Linday? Yes, this is don't ever call me about this.

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Speaker 1: I don't like your brother, I don't like you, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know what God damn think about the murdering

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Speaker 1: by Joan what a bunch of swine you are, so

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Speaker 1: don't ever call me. Okay. We decided that this information

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Speaker 1: was too sensitive to sit on by ourselves, so executive

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Speaker 1: producer Payne Lindsay and I made an editorial decision and

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Speaker 1: decided that Payne should contact Jason Shadell of the Georgia

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Speaker 1: Bureau of Investigation and he passed this information along. Will

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Speaker 1: continue to follow this case in the future and plan

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Speaker 1: to come out with more episodes in a few months.

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Speaker 1: So please, if you have any information at all about

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Speaker 1: this case, contact the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. You can

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Speaker 1: also contact us directly at Sworn tips at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: Sworn is produced by Tenderfoot TV in Atlanta. Story and

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Speaker 1: production by Payne Lindsay, Mason Lindsay and Meredith Steadman and

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Speaker 1: myself Philip Holloway. Sound designed by Payne Lindsay, executive producers

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Speaker 1: Donald Albright and Payne Lindsay. Mixed and mastered by Resonate Recordings. Also,

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Speaker 1: if you haven't yet, please check out our sister podcast,

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Speaker 1: Up and Vanished that follows the investigation into the disappearance

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Speaker 1: of Georgia high school teacher and beauty queen Tara Grinstead.

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Speaker 1: Up and Vanished is available now on Apple Podcasts. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening. This is Philip Holloway and I'll see you

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Speaker 1: next time on Sworn