WEBVTT - I, Frankenstein

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<v Speaker 1>On the Bechdelcast, the questions asked if movies have women

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<v Speaker 1>in them. Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands

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<v Speaker 1>or do they have individualism? The patriarchy's effin' vast.

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<v Speaker 2>Start changing it with the Bechdelcast. Hello, Bechdelcast listeners. It's me, I, Caitlin.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is I, Jamie. And we are here to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you that you have unfortunately been enlisted. In the

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<v Speaker 1>roar of demons versus gargoyles.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. And it's up to you which side

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<v Speaker 2>you're fighting on.

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<v Speaker 1>Where is the battleground? Well, in an empty soundstage in

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<v Speaker 1>like Bulgravia or something. Um, yep. Yep. Hope you're ready.

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<v Speaker 1>Hope you're ready because Aaron Eckhart is pivoting and it's

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna go well for him.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you, if you were enlisting in the war of

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<v Speaker 1>demons versus gargoyles, I forget if we talked about this

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<v Speaker 1>in the original episode a half decade ago, who are

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<v Speaker 1>you siding with?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the movie wants us to think that the

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<v Speaker 2>gargoyles are the good guys. I don't really know what

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<v Speaker 2>they stand for. gonna say i guess just sort of

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<v Speaker 2>like protecting society question mark.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going i'm going demons demons i'm going demon strictly

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<v Speaker 1>on like vibes strictly on who i would rather be

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<v Speaker 1>spending time with i would rather be spending with bill

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<v Speaker 1>nighy than whining whining whining adam frankenstein and his eye

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<v Speaker 1>party gargoyle queen honkshoe no thank you oh i i

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<v Speaker 1>see your point okay well But also, welcome to this

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<v Speaker 1>unlocked Patreon episode. One that people can say we still

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<v Speaker 1>have strong feelings about to this day. It is an

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<v Speaker 1>iconic bad movie. I, comma, conic. I, comma, conically horrible I, Frankenstein.

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<v Speaker 1>We're unlocking it for spooky season and we are just also, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to iFrankenstein Nation if you're not a member of

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<v Speaker 1>our matrion. And speaking of which, if you're not a

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<v Speaker 1>member of our matrion, this is an unlocked episode. And

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<v Speaker 1>you'll notice we said this was recorded in 2021. It

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<v Speaker 1>was still during lockdown because we have a backlog of episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>almost 10 years worth of episodes on the Matreon. And

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<v Speaker 1>it is always cost the same. It costs $ 5 a

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<v Speaker 1>month for two new episodes with just Caitlin and I

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<v Speaker 1>on a theme of ours or yours, or sometimes a

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<v Speaker 1>collaboration choosing. And we always have a really fun time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a little looser, a little more fun. Uh, not

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<v Speaker 1>that the main feed isn't fun, but you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean? Yeah. It's, it's a blast. It's always cost

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<v Speaker 1>the same. And as we always say, it's the best

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<v Speaker 1>way to support the show. So if you're not a member,

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<v Speaker 1>it's also just really fun. And if you're a member,

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<v Speaker 1>you get discounts on various things like tour tickets. Caitlin,

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<v Speaker 1>take it away.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. Have you ever heard of our 10-year

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<v Speaker 2>anniversary tour?

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully. We've really been trying to make you aware.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. The Whoops We Didn't Dismantle the Patriarchy tour. The

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<v Speaker 2>celebration of us doing this podcast for 10 years. Some

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<v Speaker 2>things to know about it. One, we are doing this

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<v Speaker 2>tour in different legs over the course of the next year,

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<v Speaker 2>starting with the Northeast of the U.S. So we are

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<v Speaker 2>doing shows in mid-October. If you're listening to this right

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<v Speaker 2>when this is released, it's next week. So if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't already have tickets to shows in New York, Baltimore, Philadelphia,

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<v Speaker 2>State College, Pittsburgh, or Boston, grab those tickets now. Like

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie mentioned, you get a discount if you're a Matreon. Also, Matrons,

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<v Speaker 2>I figured out how to set up a discount for

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<v Speaker 2>our merch selling thing for Matrons. So Matrons also get

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<v Speaker 2>a discount on merch at the live shows. And you

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<v Speaker 2>also get a free button at the live shows.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really fun. It's a blast. And our shows, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we were very psyched to go on the full country tour.

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<v Speaker 1>But for now, if you haven't gotten tickets in the

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<v Speaker 1>Northeast yet, we're talking... New York, Boston, Pittsburgh, Philly, Baltimore

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<v Speaker 1>State College, as Caitlin said. We hope to see you there.

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<v Speaker 1>And also, there's so many things to promo at the

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<v Speaker 1>top of this. If you've pre-ordered my next book, The Tower,

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<v Speaker 1>you can also get a second free button. You could

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<v Speaker 1>be just really cleaning up.

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<v Speaker 2>Just swimming in buttons.

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<v Speaker 1>It's honestly, it's not even fair.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Also, just a little bit about the show. Because

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<v Speaker 2>oftentimes when we've done live shows, it's on a specific movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Listeners will come prepped having watched the movie themselves. This

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<v Speaker 2>show is not like that. This show is just a

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<v Speaker 2>celebration of, it's a reflection on the past 10 years.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a variety show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a variety show about the last 10 years

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<v Speaker 1>of the show and also the last 10 years of movies.

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<v Speaker 2>Of cinema.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>We encourage you to dress up. We will be in costume.

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<v Speaker 2>You should be in costume as your favorite movie characters

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever movie characters are. because we will be doing

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<v Speaker 2>the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, if you're minion bounding, extra points, extra points. What

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<v Speaker 1>are we keeping a score for? We're not sure, to

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<v Speaker 1>be honest. But if you're minion bounding, God's light shines

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<v Speaker 1>upon you, frankly.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed. And then we'll be announcing shows for upcoming legs

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<v Speaker 2>of the tour soon. So stay tuned for that.

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<v Speaker 1>And finally, we wanted to remind you, we've been posting

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<v Speaker 1>about this as well, but we are nominated for a

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<v Speaker 1>Signal Award, which is a podcast industry award. We're very excited.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't submitted for an award in years. And so

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<v Speaker 1>it was very cool to be nominated. We're nominated in

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<v Speaker 1>the Best TV and Film category, and there is a

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<v Speaker 1>voted component to it. So if you have a second,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be awesome if you could just go to

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<v Speaker 1>the link in either the description or on our link tree,

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<v Speaker 1>if you happen to be there already, and give us

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<v Speaker 1>a vote. It means the world. And yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of a cool way to mark the 10 year.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. The link tree is where you will also find

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<v Speaker 2>the links to all of our upcoming shows. So just

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<v Speaker 2>link tree slash Bechtelcast. That's where you can find all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of stuff. A link to our Patreon, aka Matreon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Among other things.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's our autumn housekeeping. Thank you if you're still here.

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<v Speaker 1>And with that, let's get into it. So as we said,

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<v Speaker 1>this was a Lockdown era episode. So if you're hearing

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<v Speaker 1>references to current events, that is what we are referring to.

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<v Speaker 1>And we are also referring to one of 21st century

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<v Speaker 1>cinema's greatest gems. Yes. You'll be hooting and hollering, I

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<v Speaker 1>am a demon prince at the end.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Enjoy.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bechdelcast. I'm so excited to talk about it because

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<v Speaker 1>I have such a bizarre history with it and it's

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<v Speaker 1>so iconic. So I guess I just think, Caitlin, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>For watching this. Hey, thank you. Well, let's dive in

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<v Speaker 2>with your history and we'll go from there. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, I just really quick. Did you have fun watching it?

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<v Speaker 2>I did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I watched it twice.

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<v Speaker 1>There's never been a movie you need to watch twice less.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. But then, well, I found it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>hard to follow because the screenwriting is not good. So

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<v Speaker 2>I was really confused by a lot of plot points.

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<v Speaker 2>So watching it twice helped me because I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I sort of better understand the plot.

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<v Speaker 1>I so badly want to know what everyone was told

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<v Speaker 1>this was going to be versus what it was. But okay. So, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So this I Frankenstein iconic bad movie, I think an

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<v Speaker 1>underrated bad movie that will, I don't, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what it's going to take to get I Frankenstein really on,

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<v Speaker 1>on the map as like one of the best bad

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<v Speaker 1>movies ever. In existence? Because it has every.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was going to say, it's not iconic as

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<v Speaker 2>being a bad movie. It's just a movie no one's

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<v Speaker 2>seen or knows about. But it has the potential.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's so... You know, it's like if you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about what makes... A bad movie fun. This movie has

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<v Speaker 1>basically everything. It has like a big star thinking they're

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<v Speaker 1>in a good movie, but they're not. There is like

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<v Speaker 1>someone who is clearly just taking a paycheck. That being

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Nighy.

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<v Speaker 2>Bad CGI.

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<v Speaker 1>There's just like. It takes itself so seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>Expository dialogue out the ass.

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<v Speaker 1>It clearly is setting itself up for a sequel. It

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<v Speaker 1>thinks it's a franchise. Everything about it, it's an iconic

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<v Speaker 1>bad movie. If you haven't seen it, it's streaming, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>on Hulu and Amazon. You can't avoid it, and yet

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<v Speaker 1>no one's seen it. It's such a fun bad movie. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so I saw this movie in theaters two times. What?

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie.

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<v Speaker 1>The first time was in 3D. This was really, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is fun because it has to do with a

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<v Speaker 1>mutual friend of ours. So this movie came out while I,

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<v Speaker 1>it came out in early 2014? Yeah, it came out

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<v Speaker 1>in January 2014. I was still in college and I

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<v Speaker 1>was working at Improv Boston with Jake McDowell and then

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<v Speaker 1>we would hang out every night after work, and we

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<v Speaker 1>would smoke weed and go to a drive-thru. And when

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<v Speaker 1>we learned about iFrankenstein, yeah, Jake and I really just

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<v Speaker 1>were like, we have to see this. It seems... so

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<v Speaker 1>bad like we have to go and so we went

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<v Speaker 1>to the theater in downtown boston we went to like

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<v Speaker 1>a midnight showing on a thursday night the night it came.

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<v Speaker 2>Out wow the the amc the like boston common amc

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<v Speaker 2>we paid.

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<v Speaker 1>Like $ 20 to yeah to see this movie in 3D

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<v Speaker 1>there was like no one there so we were really

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<v Speaker 1>loud which is like always a fun moment when you

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<v Speaker 1>don't need to be quiet in a movie theater love

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<v Speaker 1>it and it's just so it was exactly what we

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<v Speaker 1>wanted and it was the same I think this was

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<v Speaker 1>like the year after we had kind of like, we

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<v Speaker 1>made a habit of going to bad movies together. It

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<v Speaker 1>was just like a fun friendship, whatever. But we had

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<v Speaker 1>like done the same thing with Ashton Kutcher's jobs. And

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<v Speaker 1>that was like another iconically bad movie that we loved. And,

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<v Speaker 1>but I Frankenstein, this movie is fun to watch alone,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's like so fun to watch in a group because.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just more like we Frankenstein.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. It's a community builder. It's so, this movie is

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<v Speaker 1>so funny it's the best like I just it just

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<v Speaker 1>brings back so many good memories and I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I do I mean I guess to speak to your

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<v Speaker 1>point of like it was helpful to watch it twice

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<v Speaker 1>I find something newly makes no sense about this movie

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<v Speaker 1>every time I've watched it and I've probably seen it

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<v Speaker 1>like 15 times I've seen this movie so much Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is why I love iFrankenstein. So this was

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<v Speaker 1>your first time seeing it? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, now I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Have I made you watch it before?

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<v Speaker 2>You hadn't made me watch it, but I remember when

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<v Speaker 2>it came out, and I thought I had a memory

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<v Speaker 2>of seeing this, but when I watched it to prep

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<v Speaker 2>for this episode, none of it was familiar, and it

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<v Speaker 2>might just be that I have seen Constantine Van Helsing

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<v Speaker 2>Underworld and many all the episodes of Buffy the Vampire

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<v Speaker 2>Slayer which is like it's all in the same genre

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<v Speaker 2>this movie is trying to be a lot of things

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<v Speaker 2>so I was like yeah I've seen I Frankenstein and

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<v Speaker 2>then I was like wait I don't know that I

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<v Speaker 2>have So I think I thought this movie was Constantine

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<v Speaker 2>or something, which is that Keanu Reeves movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Was Constantine bad?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it wasn't necessarily good, but I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was maybe better produced than I, Frankenstein, but only because

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<v Speaker 2>most movies are better produced than I, Frankenstein.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>IDK.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember, I think that most, even though no one

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<v Speaker 1>saw it, and this movie was like a huge flop, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, where is Aaron Eckhart at this? I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>like this certainly didn't kill his career, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>a big swing and definitely nobody saw it and it

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<v Speaker 1>sucked and it has 5% on Rotten Tomatoes, which is wild.

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>It has... One of the lowest.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, my.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean, he's still working. He's great. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>he was in the Romanovs. But this was, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>one of his last big starring roles for a while,

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<v Speaker 1>which is funny, but probably not for him yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he also wasn't that much of a leading man

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<v Speaker 2>before this either, because even though he was in The

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<v Speaker 2>Dark Knight, he was like, one of the villains, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was in Erin Brockovich, but is, like, her on-again,

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<v Speaker 2>off-again boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>Outside of Batman, I mainly knew him as the guy

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<v Speaker 1>from Thank You for Smoking, which I haven't seen in

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<v Speaker 1>a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Same. I own it on DVD, but I've only watched

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<v Speaker 2>it once. But, yeah, I think other than that, he

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't had that many leading roles. So I think he

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<v Speaker 2>probably thought, like, I, Frankenstein was going to be his

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<v Speaker 2>big breakout, like, star making thing. And it wasn't at all.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so funny too. Cause like early 2014, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like is like when the, like making something gritty for

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<v Speaker 1>kind of no reason is at its like cinematic peak

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<v Speaker 1>where like, I guess Aaron Eckhart happened to be involved

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<v Speaker 1>in the largest franchise where it actually like worked pretty well.

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<v Speaker 1>We're like making like, We're making Batman gritty was such

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<v Speaker 1>an effective, successful tactic. But then it was like movies

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<v Speaker 1>were just trying to do that for literally anything, including Frankenstein,

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<v Speaker 1>which was gritty.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is already gritty.

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<v Speaker 1>But then there were.

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<v Speaker 2>I just.

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<v Speaker 1>love that this movie acknowledges the frankenstein lore for like

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<v Speaker 1>30 seconds and they're like so demons and gargoyles like

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get into we'll get into it but there i

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<v Speaker 1>just wanted to really quickly shout out one of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite because it was like this movie was barely talked

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<v Speaker 1>about but there was a really good um headline in

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<v Speaker 1>the onion that came out when this movie did that

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<v Speaker 1>i feel like just wraps up every great thing about

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<v Speaker 1>this movie um and it goes like this Aaron Eckhart

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<v Speaker 1>likes to make one Frankenstein movie for them, one Frankenstein

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<v Speaker 1>movie for himself. I think it's very funny. Yeah. I feel,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's Aaron Eckhart. I also think firmly kind

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<v Speaker 1>of falls into one of my favorite types of actor,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like, Hot guy who is a character actor,

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<v Speaker 1>but people sometimes don't think he's a character actor because

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<v Speaker 1>he's too hot. I'm thinking also Brendan Fraser goes in

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<v Speaker 1>this category where it's like everyone's like, no, he's a

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<v Speaker 1>leading man. But then when he's a leading man, they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like this.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyways.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyways. I like Aaron Eckhart.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>This movie is... I think that history will remember this

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<v Speaker 1>as one of his most... I mean, he's, like, giving

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<v Speaker 1>it 110%.

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<v Speaker 2>He's trying way too hard, and it's tragic.

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<v Speaker 1>He's kind of just doing Christian Bale Batman voice for this. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>he's just.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot, yeah. I'm Frankenstein.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm mysterious. There's... I am not human, nor gargoyle, nor demon.

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<v Speaker 1>I am like none other. I wrote down all my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite lines. Descend in pain, demon. You're just like, shut up.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so corny. And it gets like... I mean, maybe it's,

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<v Speaker 1>I know Aaron Eckhart like made a choice and then

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of roll with it. But reading his lines

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<v Speaker 1>that are already bad in a goofy Christian Bale as

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<v Speaker 1>Batman impression does kind of make them worse.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's also like Bill Nighy at one point after

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<v Speaker 2>he like, we'll get to it, but he turns into

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<v Speaker 2>his like demon form. And the first line he says

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<v Speaker 2>is like, I am a demon prince. And then he

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<v Speaker 2>pauses for a while, and then he's like, and here's

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<v Speaker 2>why that's relevant. But for a while, you just think

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<v Speaker 2>he's announcing himself as a demon prince, and it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we know. We've known the whole fucking time.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Nighy fully doesn't know where he is. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>know what's going on. Bill Nighy... It's so, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is also, like, I mean, talk about, like, an iconic

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<v Speaker 1>character actor, Bill Nighy, one of my favorites of all time,

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<v Speaker 1>who has done some of, like, my favorite character performances.

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<v Speaker 1>He was great. If you haven't seen this year's Emma

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<v Speaker 1>that came out with Anya Taylor-Joy of the Vovich, I

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<v Speaker 1>recommend it. It's such a fun, lighthearted, like, great movie

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<v Speaker 1>to watch if you need a pickup.

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<v Speaker 2>He's great in Detective Pikachu.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, my God. Mewtwo. Bill Nighy knows how to give

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<v Speaker 1>a line read. So everything, I mean, I don't blame

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<v Speaker 1>any of the performers in this movie. Jai Courtney is

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<v Speaker 1>in this movie. Like it's just so.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, he plays Gideon. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Jai Courtney. He's like a generally buff guy. He's

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<v Speaker 1>in Jack Reacher. He was in the Divergent series. He

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<v Speaker 1>is in, oh, I guess he was in Suicide Squad.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't see that. He's, he's a guy that's in things. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is, I think, kind of like maybe looks like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of hot guys. And so you're like, who?

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<v Speaker 1>But he's also in this. I don't blame anyone for

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<v Speaker 1>being in this movie. And actually, if you're in this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>More power to you.

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<v Speaker 1>You're amazing. And I hope you got paid a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money. Yeah, it's so unclear. Like I just, based

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<v Speaker 1>on Bill Nighy's performance, I'm like, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>the script was like completed or not when he was

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<v Speaker 1>doing his scenes, but he's like, I am a demon prince.

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<v Speaker 1>And then other times he's like, Frankenstein, so good of

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<v Speaker 1>you to come. Like what? Descend in pain, demon.

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<v Speaker 2>Incredible. Well, should I do the recap? Which is like

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<v Speaker 2>one of the longer recaps I've written because again, the

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<v Speaker 2>story is confusing and there's like, exposition that gets revealed

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<v Speaker 2>over the course of the story but like not in

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<v Speaker 2>a way that is dealt out well.

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly i mean for all this is we intentionally

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<v Speaker 1>because we knew we were doing a really heavy episode

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning of this month we wanted to do

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<v Speaker 1>a really light episode for the end of this month

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<v Speaker 1>there's not like a ton of discussion to be had

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps not so i feel like this is a recap

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<v Speaker 1>heavy episode yeah yeah i'm very excited for how you

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<v Speaker 1>are going to recap this.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we begin. It is 1795. A monster, our hero,

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<v Speaker 2>I come. Frankenstein himself, was created by Victor Frankenstein.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He tries to get rid of his monster, but he survives,

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<v Speaker 2>comes back, and kills Victor's, his wife.

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<v Speaker 1>His wife.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Frankenstein, the doctor, or the scientist, or whatever-

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<v Speaker 2>dies trying to chase after the monster.

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<v Speaker 1>Right but i frankenstein is impervious to the cold so

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<v Speaker 1>right yes it's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>He's immortal and he doesn't feel cold.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it pivots really abruptly.

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<v Speaker 2>Suddenly he's like i guess he's well he says something

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<v Speaker 2>like i buried him in his family's cemetery which is

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<v Speaker 2>more than he deserves so now he's in a cemetery

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<v Speaker 2>burying victor frankenstein And some demons show up and they're like, hey, monster,

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<v Speaker 2>we've been looking for you. Our boss, Nabarius, or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>his name is.

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<v Speaker 1>Prince Nabarius.

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<v Speaker 2>Nabarius wants to talk to you. But a few gargoyles

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<v Speaker 2>show up and they fight off the demons themselves. And

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<v Speaker 2>then the gargoyles turn into hot people.

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<v Speaker 1>The gargoyles are so sexy. And they're all dressed like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like Greek... Like gladiators? Yeah. They're kind of

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<v Speaker 1>dressed like gladiators.

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<v Speaker 2>Except for Queen Leonore, who is.

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<v Speaker 1>She's giving us full eye party realness. Like, she.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's kind of dressed like an elf from the

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<v Speaker 2>Lord of the Rings. And that actor was in Lord

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<v Speaker 2>of the Rings as Eowyn.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Miranda Otto. Yeah. She's like, and I, again, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just like, they got so many like well-regarded, talented people

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<v Speaker 1>to be in this movie. And it's like, did everyone

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<v Speaker 1>go bankrupt at once? Like what happened? What happened?

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<v Speaker 2>Hard to say.

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<v Speaker 1>She does her best.

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<v Speaker 2>She does her best.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is so funny that between 1795 and 2014,

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<v Speaker 1>she does not get a new outfit. Yes. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>same outfit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the same one. So the gargoyles take the monster

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<v Speaker 2>to their leader, Queen Leonore. And she's like, hey, maybe

0:22:04.010 --> 0:22:06.750
<v Speaker 2>you're not just a monster. Even though you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a soul, maybe you do have feelings. So she names him... Adam,

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<v Speaker 2>which I guess is like a biblical reference.

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<v Speaker 1>Get it? Get it? Yeah, the gargoyles are fully... They're

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<v Speaker 1>so Christian. They live in an abandoned, question mark, church.

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<v Speaker 1>A big issue with this movie is that you have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea where you are.

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<v Speaker 2>What city are they in? They don't... Where are they?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we're... Whatever city they're in, there's no people there,

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<v Speaker 1>except for at a techno club in one scene.

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<v Speaker 2>Which, why does he go there? Like, why would Adam

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<v Speaker 2>the Frankenstein monster just waltz into a club where demons,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It took me until my second viewing for it to, like, really, like,

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<v Speaker 1>my seeing this movie for the second time in theaters,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, wait a second. Like, I knew, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea where we are, but, like, part

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<v Speaker 1>of like a big theme is like the gargoyles are

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<v Speaker 1>protecting the humans, but like, where are the humans? And

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<v Speaker 1>also are, do the humans, if they're there, do they

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<v Speaker 1>not see that they're like buildings are being destroyed every

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<v Speaker 1>day by gargoyles and demons, but it doesn't seem to,

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<v Speaker 1>the humans don't seem to be like, aware of or

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<v Speaker 1>actively participate the gargoyles are just kind of fighting on

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<v Speaker 1>behalf of the humans but it's unclear why that alliance

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<v Speaker 1>exists too like right i guess like the this church

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<v Speaker 1>where the gargoyles live is in the middle of a

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<v Speaker 1>square but no one lives there okay just checking and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>In some it's somewhere in europe probably Sure. It might

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<v Speaker 2>be London because a lot of the characters have British accents,

0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:49.140
<v Speaker 2>but we don't know.

0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:53.460
<v Speaker 1>Even though they're all Australian. Almost every actor in this

0:23:53.500 --> 0:23:57.370
<v Speaker 1>movie is Australian except for Aaron Eckhart and Bill Nighy.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's a very Australian heavy movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so Queen Leonore is like, hey, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>name you Adam. And we're like, but his name is

0:24:10.780 --> 0:24:12.199
<v Speaker 2>I Frankenstein. But sure, Adam.

0:24:13.430 --> 0:24:13.710
<v Speaker 1>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And it turns out that this dark demon prince, Nibirius,

0:24:19.770 --> 0:24:24.130
<v Speaker 2>wants Adam for something we don't know what yet. There's

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<v Speaker 2>also a book that the gargoyles took off of Victor

0:24:27.810 --> 0:24:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Frankenstein's body as he was being buried. And they're like, Leonore,

0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:35.540
<v Speaker 2>what about this book? And she's like, it must never

0:24:35.619 --> 0:24:38.460
<v Speaker 2>fall into the wrong hands. Lock it away in a safe.

0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:42.139
<v Speaker 1>Why does she care? Oh, because she doesn't want the

0:24:42.180 --> 0:24:46.240
<v Speaker 1>demons to get it because then they'll make their Frankenstein army?

0:24:46.260 --> 0:24:48.790
<v Speaker 2>But we don't know that and we don't know that

0:24:48.900 --> 0:24:51.070
<v Speaker 2>she knows that or would be able to come to

0:24:51.109 --> 0:24:56.250
<v Speaker 2>that conclusion for at least 45 minutes into the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are the gargoyles so obsessed with protecting humans when

0:24:59.770 --> 0:25:03.310
<v Speaker 1>there's no humans around is a question that is quite

0:25:03.330 --> 0:25:04.850
<v Speaker 1>honestly never fully answered.

0:25:08.710 --> 0:25:15.110
<v Speaker 2>I can't say. Okay. So the gargoyles want Adam on

0:25:15.470 --> 0:25:19.699
<v Speaker 2>their side in this war to protect humans that appear

0:25:19.740 --> 0:25:22.780
<v Speaker 2>to not be in the world. But Adam is like,

0:25:23.060 --> 0:25:27.860
<v Speaker 2>no thanks. I'm a lone wolf and I don't need anybody.

0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:33.260
<v Speaker 1>And then one of the most amazing sequences of all time. Sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>You mean when he goes into the woods?

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<v Speaker 1>The montage. Yes. So he goes into the woods from

0:25:41.580 --> 0:25:46.639
<v Speaker 1>1795 to 2013. Right. But there's that amazing shot that

0:25:46.700 --> 0:25:48.359
<v Speaker 1>I just like the first time I saw it, I laugh.

0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:51.900
<v Speaker 1>I laugh every time where it's like a bunch of voiceover.

0:25:51.940 --> 0:25:54.869
<v Speaker 1>But then it's just a shot of Aaron Eckhart on

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<v Speaker 1>top of a mountain, winking around nunchucks. They're just like nobody.

0:26:01.970 --> 0:26:04.880
<v Speaker 1>They're just like pipes. Cause they're like, you should have weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>Take some of our weapons. So he picks these two,

0:26:07.470 --> 0:26:10.750
<v Speaker 1>just like steel pipes or something. And they're like, those pipes,

0:26:10.930 --> 0:26:11.980
<v Speaker 1>those weapons are bad.

0:26:12.260 --> 0:26:15.570
<v Speaker 2>Don't choose those. They're blunt and heavy. And he's like, no, I,

0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:19.920
<v Speaker 2>They're like me. They're ugly and strong. And that's what

0:26:20.060 --> 0:26:20.520
<v Speaker 2>I am like.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not like the other weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>Like he just whips them around. He uses them like nunchucks. Right.

0:26:27.940 --> 0:26:31.629
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, they're not necessarily nunchucks. But I just, that scene,

0:26:31.710 --> 0:26:35.310
<v Speaker 1>just like he's just passing, he's just glazing over. He's

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<v Speaker 1>in the woods for 200 years. Yeah.

0:26:38.670 --> 0:26:39.210
<v Speaker 2>Doing what?

0:26:39.350 --> 0:26:44.270
<v Speaker 1>Whipping around these pipes. Doing what? I don't know. I

0:26:44.290 --> 0:26:47.520
<v Speaker 1>have no idea. Everyone in this movie is also immortal. Yes.

0:26:48.340 --> 0:26:50.820
<v Speaker 2>He must also... I think he learns to read at

0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:53.540
<v Speaker 2>some point because he's able to read the book later.

0:26:53.820 --> 0:26:55.619
<v Speaker 2>So maybe he spends a lot of time teaching himself

0:26:55.660 --> 0:26:57.780
<v Speaker 2>to read. Who can say?

0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:00.090
<v Speaker 1>I would have loved to see that. Although I do

0:27:00.140 --> 0:27:03.630
<v Speaker 1>love to see him whip around nunchucks for no reason.

0:27:04.330 --> 0:27:06.970
<v Speaker 1>It's just... It's so ridiculous. So yeah, all of a

0:27:06.990 --> 0:27:08.350
<v Speaker 1>sudden it's 2013. Yes. Basically he.

0:27:10.619 --> 0:27:15.020
<v Speaker 2>He decides for no reason whatsoever. Yeah. That he has

0:27:15.300 --> 0:27:17.550
<v Speaker 2>hidden long enough and that he is now going to

0:27:17.660 --> 0:27:20.990
<v Speaker 2>hunt those who have been hunting him, even though it

0:27:21.030 --> 0:27:23.730
<v Speaker 2>doesn't really seem like people have been hunting him for

0:27:23.770 --> 0:27:24.230
<v Speaker 2>those 200 years or at.

0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:28.480
<v Speaker 1>We don't it seems like someone like the demons show

0:27:28.540 --> 0:27:30.379
<v Speaker 1>up at the end of the 200 years and he

0:27:30.420 --> 0:27:32.350
<v Speaker 1>gets into a fight with the demons which is one

0:27:32.380 --> 0:27:34.590
<v Speaker 1>of okay one of the best conventions of this movie

0:27:34.650 --> 0:27:36.750
<v Speaker 1>is when a fight is about to happen but then

0:27:36.770 --> 0:27:38.649
<v Speaker 1>they can't afford to show you the fight so it

0:27:38.690 --> 0:27:42.370
<v Speaker 1>just cuts to really far away and you just see

0:27:42.410 --> 0:27:45.470
<v Speaker 1>like he's like i had to kill the demons or

0:27:45.540 --> 0:27:48.000
<v Speaker 1>whatever like they came for me and it cuts to

0:27:48.020 --> 0:27:49.699
<v Speaker 1>like a wide shot of the forest and then it's

0:27:49.740 --> 0:27:52.980
<v Speaker 1>like a college student photoshop some flames coming out of

0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:55.379
<v Speaker 1>the forest right because and that's the battle.

0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:59.260
<v Speaker 2>Right, because when a demon descends into hell after it's

0:27:59.300 --> 0:28:04.670
<v Speaker 2>been killed, there's a red burst of light that goes downward.

0:28:04.730 --> 0:28:07.889
<v Speaker 2>And then when a gargoyle ascends to heaven, there's a

0:28:08.150 --> 0:28:10.369
<v Speaker 2>blue stream of light. Anyway.

0:28:11.030 --> 0:28:14.010
<v Speaker 1>I also, this was my first, I did not watch

0:28:14.090 --> 0:28:19.429
<v Speaker 1>the cartoon Gargoyles. So for me, Gargoyles being creatures of

0:28:19.510 --> 0:28:22.919
<v Speaker 1>heaven was a weird mental shift to make. I was like,

0:28:23.220 --> 0:28:26.899
<v Speaker 1>Gargoyles versus demons, like which, aren't they both mean? But

0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:31.460
<v Speaker 1>in this one, Gargoyles are like angels. They're angels from heaven.

0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:34.460
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because in the show Gargoyles, and I haven't seen

0:28:34.500 --> 0:28:37.750
<v Speaker 2>it in decades now, but it's not as though they

0:28:37.770 --> 0:28:42.080
<v Speaker 2>were these like, heavenly righteous creatures in that show but

0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:46.630
<v Speaker 2>in yeah in this mythology of gargoyles they were created

0:28:46.690 --> 0:28:50.110
<v Speaker 2>by the archangel michael or something like that they are

0:28:50.170 --> 0:28:51.990
<v Speaker 2>like these like heavenly kind.

0:28:51.790 --> 0:28:54.210
<v Speaker 1>Of like why not just make them angels then like

0:28:54.290 --> 0:28:58.970
<v Speaker 1>they're yeah they're treated like angels like angels versus demons

0:28:59.290 --> 0:29:02.860
<v Speaker 1>that's i mean that's a book but like There's a

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:06.580
<v Speaker 1>whole book about it. There's a well-established precedent for angels

0:29:06.620 --> 0:29:07.400
<v Speaker 1>versus demons.

0:29:07.660 --> 0:29:10.520
<v Speaker 2>You mean like the whole religion of Christianity?

0:29:10.540 --> 0:29:13.430
<v Speaker 1>But it's just so weird because it's like the gargoyles

0:29:13.510 --> 0:29:16.370
<v Speaker 1>do represent Christianity. They live in like a dusty old

0:29:16.470 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 1>church where no one goes because there's no people. But like... But, like,

0:29:23.420 --> 0:29:27.460
<v Speaker 1>they're super Christian, but they're... I know that they're gargoyles

0:29:27.500 --> 0:29:30.010
<v Speaker 1>on the church. It was just confusing for me. I

0:29:30.030 --> 0:29:32.210
<v Speaker 1>was like, the only gargoyle I'm familiar with is, like,

0:29:32.310 --> 0:29:35.450
<v Speaker 1>the Jason Alexander gargoyle in Hunchback of Notre Dame.

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:37.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess.

0:29:37.660 --> 0:29:38.959
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't call him an angel.

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:44.220
<v Speaker 2>Maybe there's something about gargoyles that I just don't know about.

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:48.180
<v Speaker 2>I don't really know anything about the history of gargoyles

0:29:48.550 --> 0:29:51.830
<v Speaker 2>as like iconography or anything like that. So I'd have

0:29:51.870 --> 0:29:53.150
<v Speaker 2>to do some reading about it.

0:29:53.810 --> 0:29:55.810
<v Speaker 1>One thing that I kind of always forget about this

0:29:55.850 --> 0:29:59.950
<v Speaker 1>is that it is based on a graphic novel by

0:30:00.170 --> 0:30:04.320
<v Speaker 1>a black screenwriter and a black comic book writer. Kevin,

0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 1>and we had to look this up, Kevin Grievous. And

0:30:08.580 --> 0:30:12.000
<v Speaker 1>you're not going to believe why he chose that last name.

0:30:13.860 --> 0:30:20.070
<v Speaker 1>He's a goth. No, so especially because we are very

0:30:20.130 --> 0:30:22.610
<v Speaker 1>aware that, I mean, a lot of the movies that

0:30:22.870 --> 0:30:25.330
<v Speaker 1>we have covered on the show, as well as movies

0:30:25.410 --> 0:30:29.970
<v Speaker 1>at large, are not... Written by black or non-white screenwriters

0:30:30.100 --> 0:30:33.900
<v Speaker 1>at all. Of all the things that I love about I, Frankenstein,

0:30:34.300 --> 0:30:38.480
<v Speaker 1>this is one of them. The great Kevin Grievous. So

0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:43.610
<v Speaker 1>he's also in the movie as Dakar, a high-ranking demon

0:30:43.890 --> 0:30:46.450
<v Speaker 1>who is like the head of security for Bill Nighy.

0:30:46.910 --> 0:30:50.820
<v Speaker 1>And he has, like, this amazing voice. And he's always, like,

0:30:50.950 --> 0:30:54.820
<v Speaker 1>telling Bill Nighy, like, Naberius, this is happening. And then

0:30:54.900 --> 0:30:55.820
<v Speaker 1>Bill Nighy just kind of.

0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:57.060
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that guy. Okay, yes.

0:30:57.380 --> 0:31:01.840
<v Speaker 1>So he's, like... He is I, Frankenstein, where he... He

0:31:01.860 --> 0:31:05.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't write the screenplay, but he and the director collaborated

0:31:05.550 --> 0:31:09.570
<v Speaker 1>on the story. The graphic novel was his. I'm kind

0:31:09.590 --> 0:31:11.390
<v Speaker 1>of curious to read the graphic novel, because I could

0:31:11.450 --> 0:31:13.930
<v Speaker 1>see this being fun as a graphic novel, but it just, like,

0:31:14.290 --> 0:31:18.650
<v Speaker 1>definitely does not... It's, like... It just definitely... I'm willing

0:31:18.670 --> 0:31:21.490
<v Speaker 1>to put the blame on Stuart Beattie, who is the

0:31:21.530 --> 0:31:27.380
<v Speaker 1>director and wrote the screenplay. Anyways, so yeah, Kevin's in

0:31:27.460 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 1>it and he wrote it and he also co-created the

0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:34.060
<v Speaker 1>Underworld film. So this resembling Underworld is definitely not a mistake.

0:31:34.260 --> 0:31:36.900
<v Speaker 1>It's one of the creators.

0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:39.400
<v Speaker 2>So the fact that he's a Black creator of these

0:31:39.460 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 2>properties that have been adapted to films in a genre

0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:47.690
<v Speaker 2>that is historically... very white, especially for really mainstream things.

0:31:47.710 --> 0:31:50.490
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the fantasy. I mean, all of the genres this

0:31:50.540 --> 0:31:51.540
<v Speaker 1>movie is trying to be.

0:31:53.760 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 2>Horror, I guess. Fantasy superhero movie, question mark. But yeah,

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:07.670
<v Speaker 2>these genres, and it feels like fantasy especially, have been, again,

0:32:07.750 --> 0:32:13.690
<v Speaker 2>historically super white, particularly your mainstream fantasy movies. So it's

0:32:13.970 --> 0:32:18.100
<v Speaker 2>awesome that he's been able to break into the mainstream

0:32:18.180 --> 0:32:22.020
<v Speaker 2>fantasy realm as a Black creator. Yeah. And I hope

0:32:22.060 --> 0:32:24.070
<v Speaker 2>he's getting the recognition he deserves.

0:32:24.370 --> 0:32:28.890
<v Speaker 1>I have some quick, just fun facts about Kevin Grievous,

0:32:28.910 --> 0:32:31.490
<v Speaker 1>because the more I learned about him, I was like, wow,

0:32:31.800 --> 0:32:34.300
<v Speaker 1>what a fascinating character. Story.

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:35.480
<v Speaker 2>Lay it on me.

0:32:35.660 --> 0:32:36.590
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Grievous.

0:32:36.870 --> 0:32:37.140
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:32:37.570 --> 0:32:40.930
<v Speaker 1>So he went to Howard University, has a degree in

0:32:41.030 --> 0:32:46.870
<v Speaker 1>microbiology with minors in chemistry and psychology. Whoa. Then he

0:32:46.910 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 1>goes to grad school and he's working towards a master's.

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:56.440
<v Speaker 1>in genetic engineering. He's literally a genius. And then during

0:32:56.620 --> 0:33:02.940
<v Speaker 1>grad school, he started taking screenwriting classes and he dropped

0:33:02.980 --> 0:33:05.940
<v Speaker 1>out of grad school to move to LA and become

0:33:05.980 --> 0:33:08.630
<v Speaker 1>a screenwriter. And then he started getting all this work

0:33:08.790 --> 0:33:12.229
<v Speaker 1>and he is like an actor and he's a writer.

0:33:12.530 --> 0:33:15.750
<v Speaker 1>I want to make sure I'm getting his writing credits. Correct. Um,

0:33:16.510 --> 0:33:22.160
<v Speaker 1>But he's been in movies aside from I, Frankenstein. He

0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:26.810
<v Speaker 1>has been on Star Trek. He was in Hulk.

0:33:27.050 --> 0:33:27.650
<v Speaker 2>Which one?

0:33:27.670 --> 0:33:36.110
<v Speaker 1>The Edward Norton one. Oh, no, wait, the Eric Bana one.

0:33:36.450 --> 0:33:36.970
<v Speaker 2>Oh, right.

0:33:37.110 --> 0:33:38.050
<v Speaker 1>The Ang Lee one.

0:33:38.130 --> 0:33:40.830
<v Speaker 2>It is wild how there are so many. There's too

0:33:40.850 --> 0:33:43.510
<v Speaker 2>many Hulks. Because there's an Eric Bana one, there's the

0:33:43.610 --> 0:33:46.750
<v Speaker 2>Edward Norton one, and then there's the Mark Ruffalo ones.

0:33:47.090 --> 0:33:49.190
<v Speaker 1>And I'm just like, am I supposed to care about

0:33:49.490 --> 0:33:54.360
<v Speaker 1>any of these? I don't know. But back to Kevin Grievous.

0:33:54.990 --> 0:33:58.700
<v Speaker 1>So he is heavily involved in the Underworld franchise. He

0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:02.720
<v Speaker 1>has a number of story by credits in the Underworld franchise.

0:34:02.780 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 1>He also acts. He's been collaborating. And so it seems

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.860
<v Speaker 1>like I, Frankenstein is a comic book that he wrote

0:34:10.340 --> 0:34:13.920
<v Speaker 1>that then was like, I mean, he's already in Hollywood, baby.

0:34:13.980 --> 0:34:15.239
<v Speaker 1>He's wheeling and dealing with.

0:34:15.300 --> 0:34:17.180
<v Speaker 2>He's a Kevin of all trades.

0:34:17.219 --> 0:34:21.460
<v Speaker 1>He's grievous for crying out loud. So, Kevin Grievous, kind

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:28.529
<v Speaker 1>of a legend in this hyper-specific genre. So, shouts out

0:34:28.550 --> 0:34:32.500
<v Speaker 1>to Kevin Grievous. This is my favorite fantasy movie I've

0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:38.150
<v Speaker 1>ever seen. So yeah, Underworld was Grievous's... So I'm reading

0:34:38.190 --> 0:34:42.009
<v Speaker 1>from Wikipedia. Grievous's first produced writing credit. He came up

0:34:42.030 --> 0:34:45.150
<v Speaker 1>with the original concept and premise and then wrote the

0:34:45.170 --> 0:34:49.810
<v Speaker 1>screenplay with a collaborator. So he is the Underworld franchise.

0:34:50.550 --> 0:34:51.489
<v Speaker 1>You're welcome.

0:34:51.870 --> 0:34:52.190
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:34:52.390 --> 0:34:54.650
<v Speaker 1>I'm also seeing here... I honestly have not seen the

0:34:54.690 --> 0:35:01.180
<v Speaker 1>Underworld movies, but I'm seeing here on... Wikipedia.org. Grievous based

0:35:01.340 --> 0:35:04.740
<v Speaker 1>Underworld on his experiences with interracial dating and the tension

0:35:04.780 --> 0:35:08.930
<v Speaker 1>it often causes. And that he also pulled on his

0:35:09.010 --> 0:35:13.170
<v Speaker 1>background in science and brought his knowledge of science to

0:35:13.210 --> 0:35:19.230
<v Speaker 1>the world of vampires and werewolves. So... Wow. That's grievous

0:35:19.270 --> 0:35:19.689
<v Speaker 1>for you.

0:35:19.850 --> 0:35:24.700
<v Speaker 2>So Underworld is like allegorical for interracial dating?

0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:26.410
<v Speaker 1>It sounds, yeah, I guess so.

0:35:26.489 --> 0:35:28.230
<v Speaker 2>I'll have to rewatch those movies.

0:35:28.590 --> 0:35:29.370
<v Speaker 1>Have you seen them?

0:35:29.750 --> 0:35:31.710
<v Speaker 2>I've seen the first one, but I don't remember it

0:35:31.750 --> 0:35:32.930
<v Speaker 2>very well. Oh, okay.

0:35:32.969 --> 0:35:36.970
<v Speaker 1>So I know nothing about it. I'm like, I just

0:35:36.989 --> 0:35:39.540
<v Speaker 1>remember being like, I wish I was a goth, but

0:35:39.739 --> 0:35:44.799
<v Speaker 1>this movie would probably scare me. But Bill Nighy is

0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:46.759
<v Speaker 1>also in it. So I think that Bill Nighy and

0:35:46.780 --> 0:35:50.790
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Grievous are just like buds, most likely. Yeah.

0:35:51.050 --> 0:35:51.529
<v Speaker 2>Best friends.

0:35:51.650 --> 0:35:55.129
<v Speaker 1>Also, Danny McBride wrote the screenplay for Underworld.

0:35:55.530 --> 0:35:55.770
<v Speaker 2>What?

0:35:55.810 --> 0:35:56.530
<v Speaker 1>Did you know?

0:35:56.870 --> 0:35:57.509
<v Speaker 2>No.

0:35:57.570 --> 0:36:04.870
<v Speaker 1>What a wild franchise. Random. McBride. Everyone's fascinating. Oh, wait,

0:36:04.950 --> 0:36:11.299
<v Speaker 1>not that Danny McBride. Wait. Well, someone named Danny McBride.

0:36:11.340 --> 0:36:14.360
<v Speaker 2>But not the eastbound and down Danny McBride?

0:36:14.540 --> 0:36:18.319
<v Speaker 1>No, this is Daniel Flynn McBride. Daniel Flynn McBride is

0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:22.660
<v Speaker 1>an American stuntman and screenwriter. Best combo I've ever heard.

0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:22.959
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:36:23.540 --> 0:36:26.760
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people in the Underworld franchise are wearing

0:36:26.820 --> 0:36:28.479
<v Speaker 1>many hats, it seems. Yeah.

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:31.360
<v Speaker 2>People have requested that we do it. We should cover

0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:32.780
<v Speaker 2>Underworld sometime.

0:36:33.100 --> 0:36:36.219
<v Speaker 1>It's a grievous original. And a Danny McBride original. But

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:36.839
<v Speaker 1>not that one.

0:36:36.900 --> 0:36:45.730
<v Speaker 2>But not that one. So Adam decides to leave the

0:36:45.770 --> 0:36:50.590
<v Speaker 2>woods and travel to some European city. He gets a

0:36:50.630 --> 0:36:55.690
<v Speaker 2>haircut and suddenly he's way hotter. And it's now present day.

0:36:56.190 --> 0:37:01.160
<v Speaker 2>Then we meet Mr. Wessex, a.k.a. Bill Nighy. He is

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:06.940
<v Speaker 2>overseeing reanimation science experiments in his lab.

0:37:06.980 --> 0:37:11.100
<v Speaker 1>Full villain, glass of tea, behind a glass wall. Like,

0:37:12.300 --> 0:37:13.290
<v Speaker 1>you got everything.

0:37:13.790 --> 0:37:18.450
<v Speaker 2>And one of the two major scientists is Dr. Tara Wade,

0:37:19.050 --> 0:37:21.170
<v Speaker 2>who we'll talk more about later.

0:37:21.190 --> 0:37:22.110
<v Speaker 1>Woman in STEM.

0:37:22.570 --> 0:37:26.480
<v Speaker 2>That's true. So Wessex is overseeing these experiments to try

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:28.940
<v Speaker 2>to bring corpses back to life. We don't know why.

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:31.900
<v Speaker 2>But then there's this big reveal that he is also

0:37:32.180 --> 0:37:36.280
<v Speaker 2>Prince Nibirius, the demon who has been looking for Frankenstein's

0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:41.320
<v Speaker 2>monster for centuries. And then you sort of find out why.

0:37:42.100 --> 0:37:44.710
<v Speaker 1>Also, sometimes it's I just feel for I love Bill Nye.

0:37:44.750 --> 0:37:46.509
<v Speaker 1>He's so much. I just want to protect him at

0:37:46.530 --> 0:37:49.509
<v Speaker 1>all costs. But it is kind of funny that like

0:37:49.670 --> 0:37:53.129
<v Speaker 1>in post, sometimes I think when it's maybe not like

0:37:53.270 --> 0:37:55.509
<v Speaker 1>reading in this because sometimes he's like he's supposed to

0:37:55.550 --> 0:37:59.460
<v Speaker 1>be kind of switching between being like. science guy and

0:37:59.540 --> 0:38:03.360
<v Speaker 1>prince nabirius but then sometimes when he's being prince nabirius

0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:06.489
<v Speaker 1>they just kind of put an echo effect on his

0:38:06.590 --> 0:38:09.330
<v Speaker 1>voice like it's just like i i am a demon

0:38:09.370 --> 0:38:12.569
<v Speaker 1>demon prince you're just like oh i guess that's his

0:38:12.670 --> 0:38:13.549
<v Speaker 1>evil voice.

0:38:13.590 --> 0:38:15.470
<v Speaker 2>His eyes will like flash red.

0:38:15.489 --> 0:38:17.830
<v Speaker 1>I will never forget the first, okay, because the CGI

0:38:17.870 --> 0:38:20.100
<v Speaker 1>in this movie, I feel like, I mean, and again,

0:38:20.219 --> 0:38:22.250
<v Speaker 1>it's like not the fault of the people doing it.

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:24.860
<v Speaker 1>It's clearly a budget issue.

0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:25.340
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 1>But it is just, it is so bad. And, At

0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:34.419
<v Speaker 1>the end, when Bill Nighy turns into a demon, we've

0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:38.450
<v Speaker 1>already seen so many bad human to demon transformations, but

0:38:38.489 --> 0:38:41.270
<v Speaker 1>it still just makes my blood run cold. It's the

0:38:41.410 --> 0:38:43.630
<v Speaker 1>worst thing I've ever seen in my whole life.

0:38:44.270 --> 0:38:44.430
<v Speaker 2>It's so.

0:38:46.760 --> 0:38:49.279
<v Speaker 2>Gross well because some of it's practical like some of

0:38:49.340 --> 0:38:52.719
<v Speaker 2>it is him in makeup and you're just like like

0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:55.140
<v Speaker 2>why did he this movie had.

0:38:55.680 --> 0:38:59.299
<v Speaker 1>A 65 million dollar budget so even the things that

0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:02.260
<v Speaker 1>look cheap about this movie is still kind of confusing

0:39:02.500 --> 0:39:04.839
<v Speaker 1>you have to think maybe they just like blew through

0:39:04.880 --> 0:39:07.920
<v Speaker 1>a ton of money in pre-production and then have like

0:39:08.219 --> 0:39:12.149
<v Speaker 1>three dollars for post-production and But I don't even know.

0:39:12.170 --> 0:39:15.319
<v Speaker 1>It seems like there's shots that are missing. Maybe the

0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:18.580
<v Speaker 1>script changed. There seems to be shots and possibly scenes

0:39:18.620 --> 0:39:21.560
<v Speaker 1>that are missing. They can't afford to do all the

0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:25.549
<v Speaker 1>battles they clearly want to do. The battles they have

0:39:25.550 --> 0:39:30.360
<v Speaker 1>are really confusing to watch. Like, I don't know what happened.

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:33.020
<v Speaker 1>There needs to be, like, I have to, like, put

0:39:33.060 --> 0:39:38.180
<v Speaker 1>everything aside and really talk to some people.

0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so then we kind of find out why Nibirius

0:39:43.020 --> 0:39:45.800
<v Speaker 2>has been looking for Frankenstein this whole time, the monster

0:39:45.860 --> 0:39:49.930
<v Speaker 2>the whole time, which is that He wants to figure

0:39:49.989 --> 0:39:53.240
<v Speaker 2>out how to create life from corpses, but we still

0:39:53.260 --> 0:39:56.420
<v Speaker 2>don't know exactly why or what he plans to do

0:39:56.460 --> 0:40:01.890
<v Speaker 2>with that yet. Then the gargoyles find Adam again, and

0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:05.350
<v Speaker 2>they all look the exact same, wearing the same clothes.

0:40:05.989 --> 0:40:08.509
<v Speaker 2>and they're like are you gonna help us fight this

0:40:08.570 --> 0:40:11.610
<v Speaker 2>war yet and he's like no i don't give a

0:40:11.950 --> 0:40:17.460
<v Speaker 2>shit about gargoyles or humans or demons i'm my own

0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:20.799
<v Speaker 2>man except he's not a man even.

0:40:20.580 --> 0:40:24.800
<v Speaker 1>Except he's and he also like he flip-flops so much

0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:27.580
<v Speaker 1>and it's sometimes there's story logic for it and other

0:40:27.620 --> 0:40:31.180
<v Speaker 1>times he's just like I'm bored. I'm with the gargoyles now.

0:40:31.320 --> 0:40:33.420
<v Speaker 1>And then he'll get to the gargoyles and be like,

0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:35.140
<v Speaker 1>I'm not with you. And I'm like, but you just

0:40:35.260 --> 0:40:40.170
<v Speaker 1>said you were. Like, Adam, what are you talking about?

0:40:41.170 --> 0:40:45.530
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of inconsistency with Queen Leonor as well.

0:40:45.690 --> 0:40:46.810
<v Speaker 2>And we'll talk about her.

0:40:46.830 --> 0:40:51.190
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Adam and Queen Leonor specifically, I feel like are

0:40:51.210 --> 0:40:54.830
<v Speaker 1>the two characters that have the most time dedicated to

0:40:54.850 --> 0:40:58.819
<v Speaker 1>their arc. And also their arc makes sense the least

0:40:58.860 --> 0:41:03.220
<v Speaker 1>sense it is so inconsistent like yeah sometimes Queen Leonore

0:41:03.300 --> 0:41:06.580
<v Speaker 1>is like really I think I mean tropey in either

0:41:06.620 --> 0:41:09.760
<v Speaker 1>direction but like she's switching between tropes like sometimes she's

0:41:09.969 --> 0:41:13.230
<v Speaker 1>really you know very maternal towards Adam and then other

0:41:13.250 --> 0:41:18.390
<v Speaker 1>times she's extremely cold and cruel and like evil ruler

0:41:18.469 --> 0:41:21.710
<v Speaker 1>type towards I'm like and and every time like what

0:41:22.070 --> 0:41:25.700
<v Speaker 1>is motivating any of this behavior I don't know.

0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:27.790
<v Speaker 2>Yeah because there's that one part where like At the

0:41:27.810 --> 0:41:31.029
<v Speaker 2>beginning when she meets him, she's like, you're human. I

0:41:31.070 --> 0:41:33.330
<v Speaker 2>see potential for you to have a soul. Maybe you're

0:41:33.350 --> 0:41:36.450
<v Speaker 2>more human than you think. I have to protect you.

0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:39.740
<v Speaker 2>I'll give you a name. And then later in the movie,

0:41:40.020 --> 0:41:42.520
<v Speaker 2>she's telling her gargoyle friends to be like, destroy him.

0:41:42.840 --> 0:41:45.140
<v Speaker 2>So she wants him dead. But then later she's like,

0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:47.120
<v Speaker 2>I have to save him. So it's just like, it's

0:41:47.300 --> 0:41:50.570
<v Speaker 2>never make a choice. Okay.

0:41:50.890 --> 0:41:52.430
<v Speaker 1>What if you made every choice?

0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:56.799
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I think we're about 30 minutes into the

0:41:56.840 --> 0:42:02.020
<v Speaker 2>movie now. A bunch of demons attack the Gargoyle Cathedral

0:42:02.420 --> 0:42:06.109
<v Speaker 2>and they capture Queen Leonore. And with her gone, the

0:42:06.489 --> 0:42:11.589
<v Speaker 2>next highest ranking Gargoyle, Gideon, takes Victor Frankenstein's journal that

0:42:11.610 --> 0:42:15.180
<v Speaker 2>had been locked in the vault. It contains these step-by-step

0:42:15.219 --> 0:42:18.960
<v Speaker 2>instructions on how to reanimate a corpse and how to

0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:20.780
<v Speaker 2>create an iFrankenstein.

0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:24.780
<v Speaker 1>Right. Also some pretty incredible fake science in this, too,

0:42:24.860 --> 0:42:28.420
<v Speaker 1>because there's like that scene at the beginning where Tara

0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:33.700
<v Speaker 1>and her, I don't know, her lab friend... yeah they're

0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:39.260
<v Speaker 1>like running that experiment on the dead gigantic rat where

0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:43.149
<v Speaker 1>like first of all it's horrible to watch but since

0:42:43.190 --> 0:42:45.750
<v Speaker 1>the rat is clearly fake i'm able to suspend my

0:42:45.790 --> 0:42:48.530
<v Speaker 1>disbelief but just like the fake science in that scene

0:42:48.630 --> 0:42:52.850
<v Speaker 1>is so like she goes double it i said double

0:42:52.950 --> 0:42:56.480
<v Speaker 1>it and then And then the guy is like, that'll

0:42:56.540 --> 0:43:01.140
<v Speaker 1>kill it. And she's like, it's already dead. Like, I

0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:05.620
<v Speaker 1>guess that's technically true, but that's so dramatic. Like the,

0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:09.360
<v Speaker 1>I just, it sounds so, I had to Google her

0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:12.120
<v Speaker 1>job title to make sure that it wasn't a completely

0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:15.440
<v Speaker 1>made up job. Oh, electrophysiologist turns out a real thing.

0:43:15.460 --> 0:43:15.799
<v Speaker 2>Is that real?

0:43:16.100 --> 0:43:18.219
<v Speaker 1>I learned. Okay. Yes. But I don't think that they

0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:22.239
<v Speaker 1>just go around screaming, double it in regards to electricity.

0:43:23.510 --> 0:43:30.430
<v Speaker 2>Electrocuting rats specifically um yeah so gideon gives the journal

0:43:30.710 --> 0:43:34.509
<v Speaker 2>to the demons in order to save the queen and

0:43:34.550 --> 0:43:38.379
<v Speaker 2>then we find out that nabirius is so obsessed with

0:43:38.680 --> 0:43:43.339
<v Speaker 2>frankenstein's monster and with reanimation in general because he's trying

0:43:43.360 --> 0:43:46.500
<v Speaker 2>to figure out how to bring back fallen demons and

0:43:47.060 --> 0:43:51.560
<v Speaker 2>And now that he has this journal, he has information

0:43:51.660 --> 0:43:54.080
<v Speaker 2>on how to do that. But there's still a piece

0:43:54.100 --> 0:43:56.000
<v Speaker 2>of the puzzle that is missing and we don't have yet.

0:43:56.140 --> 0:43:58.820
<v Speaker 2>We'll get to that in a moment. But Adam follows

0:43:58.900 --> 0:44:04.110
<v Speaker 2>the demons and discovers this huge room full of corpses

0:44:04.170 --> 0:44:09.850
<v Speaker 2>that apparently Niberius intends to reanimate. But there's still a

0:44:09.870 --> 0:44:11.410
<v Speaker 2>missing piece of the puzzle that we'll get to.

0:44:11.430 --> 0:44:11.569
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

0:44:11.590 --> 0:44:11.690
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:44:13.180 --> 0:44:15.060
<v Speaker 1>And now it's like we're too far in the movie

0:44:15.100 --> 0:44:17.219
<v Speaker 1>for us to still have this many missing pieces to

0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:20.020
<v Speaker 1>the puzzle. It's a big issue.

0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:24.759
<v Speaker 2>And then Tara, Dr. Wade, she's working for him. She's

0:44:24.820 --> 0:44:27.850
<v Speaker 2>doing all these experiments for Nibirius, but she doesn't know

0:44:27.910 --> 0:44:31.170
<v Speaker 2>that he is a demon overlord because he looks like

0:44:31.350 --> 0:44:33.990
<v Speaker 2>Bill Nighy. But I also didn't know that she wasn't...

0:44:34.650 --> 0:44:37.250
<v Speaker 2>It took me way too long into the movie for

0:44:37.270 --> 0:44:39.980
<v Speaker 2>me to be like, oh, she's not like an evil...

0:44:40.690 --> 0:44:42.649
<v Speaker 2>She's not like one of the bad guys. She's just

0:44:42.890 --> 0:44:44.989
<v Speaker 2>carrying out his bidding unknowingly.

0:44:45.290 --> 0:44:47.470
<v Speaker 1>She's working for the devil, but it's kind of presented

0:44:47.530 --> 0:44:50.190
<v Speaker 1>like she's a working. She's just like a working stiff.

0:44:50.250 --> 0:44:52.989
<v Speaker 1>She's like a nine to fiver. Yeah. But it's also

0:44:53.030 --> 0:44:55.589
<v Speaker 1>I think that that's also confusing because he's surrounded by

0:44:55.630 --> 0:44:58.129
<v Speaker 1>people who look like they're in the Matrix. And then

0:44:58.210 --> 0:45:00.170
<v Speaker 1>it's just like her and this other guy. Like it

0:45:00.190 --> 0:45:03.610
<v Speaker 1>seems like they're his only employees who are not like demons.

0:45:04.190 --> 0:45:05.390
<v Speaker 1>So what?

0:45:05.510 --> 0:45:09.359
<v Speaker 2>How does she not notice that her boss is pure evil? Like,

0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:11.180
<v Speaker 2>look at any of the signs.

0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:14.340
<v Speaker 1>How did she, how long has she been working there? Again,

0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:17.900
<v Speaker 1>a huge glass lab office building where we don't see

0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:21.140
<v Speaker 1>any other people. One of my favorite exchanges in the

0:45:21.180 --> 0:45:24.290
<v Speaker 1>movie is when, well, we're about to get to I,

0:45:24.880 --> 0:45:30.930
<v Speaker 1>Frankenstein meeting Tara, the woman in STEM. which is one

0:45:30.950 --> 0:45:34.310
<v Speaker 1>of the most incredible entrances of all time. This is

0:45:34.350 --> 0:45:38.969
<v Speaker 1>another scene in iFrankenstein I absolutely love because iFrankenstein just

0:45:39.010 --> 0:45:42.840
<v Speaker 1>needs to go into her lab. It's an empty building.

0:45:43.180 --> 0:45:45.700
<v Speaker 1>There's so many ways he could get into the building,

0:45:45.800 --> 0:45:51.570
<v Speaker 1>into the room, but he chooses... I'm like, that's where

0:45:51.810 --> 0:45:56.730
<v Speaker 1>the $ 65 million went, Kevin. He bursts through a full

0:45:58.090 --> 0:46:04.989
<v Speaker 1>window from the ceiling. He crashes into it. It's so unnecessary. Yeah.

0:46:05.270 --> 0:46:08.279
<v Speaker 1>And he scares them. And then they're like, we're scared

0:46:08.300 --> 0:46:12.030
<v Speaker 1>of you. And he's like, why? You just burst through

0:46:12.090 --> 0:46:16.219
<v Speaker 1>a fucking glass window. Of course they're scared. They work

0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:17.950
<v Speaker 1>for the dead. Like, they're scared. I don't know.

0:46:18.110 --> 0:46:21.750
<v Speaker 2>He leaves that scene by also jumping through a different

0:46:21.790 --> 0:46:24.730
<v Speaker 2>window and just, like, bursting the glass there. Also, okay.

0:46:24.750 --> 0:46:30.620
<v Speaker 2>There's so many doors. Back to Dr. Wade somehow not

0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:33.980
<v Speaker 2>noticing that she's working for the most evil being alive.

0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:34.120
<v Speaker 1>Like.

0:46:34.930 --> 0:46:37.410
<v Speaker 2>He's having her reanimate corpses.

0:46:37.850 --> 0:46:41.359
<v Speaker 1>Her character is so underrated because it's like, if you

0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:44.480
<v Speaker 1>even take that further of like, where does she live?

0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:47.060
<v Speaker 1>Like she lives in this human-less place. Like, does she

0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:49.509
<v Speaker 1>have any friends? Does she know anyone other than Bill

0:46:49.550 --> 0:46:52.870
<v Speaker 1>Nighy and this one other man? Like, does she know

0:46:52.890 --> 0:46:56.530
<v Speaker 1>a woman? Does she know a woman? is a question

0:46:56.590 --> 0:47:00.219
<v Speaker 1>I had. I don't know that we did. I don't know.

0:47:00.580 --> 0:47:04.719
<v Speaker 1>There's police in this world, and one gets killed, and

0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:08.279
<v Speaker 1>that's fun to watch. But there's police, but we don't

0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:10.060
<v Speaker 1>know who they're supposed to be policing or who they

0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:12.819
<v Speaker 1>work for because no one lives here. But Tara is

0:47:13.300 --> 0:47:16.209
<v Speaker 1>so confused. I mean, I at least appreciate that she

0:47:16.350 --> 0:47:21.240
<v Speaker 1>is the audience leader And I hate the lazy writing

0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:24.720
<v Speaker 1>trope of like introducing a female character strictly to ask

0:47:24.969 --> 0:47:28.150
<v Speaker 1>questions about what's going on. I hate that shit. But

0:47:28.210 --> 0:47:30.270
<v Speaker 1>in this movie, you actually kind of really do need

0:47:30.290 --> 0:47:32.520
<v Speaker 1>someone to be asking those questions because you just don't

0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:36.460
<v Speaker 1>know what's going on. And so like you're saying, she

0:47:36.480 --> 0:47:38.820
<v Speaker 1>realizes or she doesn't know she's working for the devil,

0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:42.640
<v Speaker 1>even though she's clearly doing the devil's bidding. But whatever. Like,

0:47:43.660 --> 0:47:45.910
<v Speaker 1>but then I love that scene where they're walking through.

0:47:45.930 --> 0:47:48.669
<v Speaker 1>It's I think that every time they're walking down like

0:47:48.969 --> 0:47:51.469
<v Speaker 1>an alleyway, it's the same alleyway. But you're not supposed

0:47:51.510 --> 0:47:53.850
<v Speaker 1>to think that. But it's definitely the same one every time.

0:47:55.090 --> 0:47:59.210
<v Speaker 1>where she's like, what is going on here? And he's like,

0:47:59.890 --> 0:48:02.759
<v Speaker 1>there's a war, a war people don't know about, a

0:48:03.320 --> 0:48:09.279
<v Speaker 1>war between gargoyles and demons. I think your boss is

0:48:09.320 --> 0:48:14.589
<v Speaker 1>a demon named Prince Niberius. And she just like keeps

0:48:14.719 --> 0:48:17.810
<v Speaker 1>following him. I feel like I would be so like,

0:48:19.190 --> 0:48:20.810
<v Speaker 1>I hope you get the help you need, but I

0:48:20.830 --> 0:48:24.319
<v Speaker 1>don't feel safe right now. Like, you know, like it's just, Like,

0:48:24.340 --> 0:48:29.259
<v Speaker 1>you can't just be like... It's just the most ridiculous paragraph.

0:48:29.540 --> 0:48:34.580
<v Speaker 1>And Aaron Eckhart is playing it so serious. I don't know.

0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:41.489
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate... What is the actor's name? Ivan Strahovski? Strahovski?

0:48:41.750 --> 0:48:45.330
<v Speaker 1>Ivan Strahovski. I think she does as much as she

0:48:45.370 --> 0:48:48.330
<v Speaker 1>possibly can. She plays it at least like, what are

0:48:48.370 --> 0:48:51.779
<v Speaker 1>you talking about? Which... Would be the way to play it.

0:48:52.060 --> 0:48:54.379
<v Speaker 2>She doesn't believe him at first. She's like, you know,

0:48:54.500 --> 0:48:57.480
<v Speaker 2>here's the thing. I don't believe in demons. And then, conveniently,

0:48:57.540 --> 0:49:01.140
<v Speaker 2>right then, a demon shows up. And then there's this

0:49:01.180 --> 0:49:04.200
<v Speaker 2>big battle between it and... Yeah. Oh, shit. And then

0:49:04.820 --> 0:49:09.239
<v Speaker 2>the demon and Adam fight. And then afterwards, she still

0:49:09.300 --> 0:49:11.609
<v Speaker 2>is like, I don't know what I saw. I'm not

0:49:11.670 --> 0:49:13.430
<v Speaker 2>sure if I believe you or not. And it's like,

0:49:13.550 --> 0:49:15.310
<v Speaker 2>what do you think just happened?

0:49:15.590 --> 0:49:18.819
<v Speaker 1>Pick one. It's so good I mean and in that

0:49:18.880 --> 0:49:22.760
<v Speaker 1>scene like she also classic trope she does not really

0:49:22.780 --> 0:49:26.790
<v Speaker 1>get to participate in any battles at all she's very

0:49:26.870 --> 0:49:30.350
<v Speaker 1>mainly sidelined I at least there's a few like in

0:49:30.390 --> 0:49:33.259
<v Speaker 1>terms of how the female characters are treated. There's a few,

0:49:33.420 --> 0:49:35.460
<v Speaker 1>at least I have for this movie. Cause it is

0:49:35.500 --> 0:49:39.300
<v Speaker 1>the worst movie of all time. At least she kind

0:49:39.340 --> 0:49:44.520
<v Speaker 1>of like at the end outsmarts the demon where she's like, no,

0:49:44.840 --> 0:49:48.600
<v Speaker 1>I need, I need it alive. I need I Frankenstein.

0:49:49.219 --> 0:49:53.109
<v Speaker 1>And so she like tricks him. She's able to get

0:49:53.330 --> 0:49:57.080
<v Speaker 1>them out of a situation with her knowledge and Which

0:49:57.160 --> 0:50:01.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, okay, that's something. The movie still makes no sense.

0:50:03.420 --> 0:50:07.370
<v Speaker 2>And she does grab the book from getting incinerated. She

0:50:07.890 --> 0:50:10.830
<v Speaker 2>sure does. So that's something. But then this is where

0:50:10.870 --> 0:50:13.690
<v Speaker 2>we kind of figure out the final piece of the puzzle.

0:50:13.710 --> 0:50:17.950
<v Speaker 2>So basically, Adam steals the journal back and then kidnaps

0:50:18.310 --> 0:50:23.759
<v Speaker 2>Tara because women be getting kidnapped. Because he, I guess,

0:50:23.840 --> 0:50:27.390
<v Speaker 2>needs help making sense of who he is and why

0:50:27.469 --> 0:50:30.930
<v Speaker 2>he is. And then another demon shows up to deliver

0:50:31.010 --> 0:50:33.710
<v Speaker 2>some more, kind of the final bit of exposition, which

0:50:33.790 --> 0:50:38.520
<v Speaker 2>is that they want to reanimate the human bodies that

0:50:38.920 --> 0:50:43.180
<v Speaker 2>Bill Nighy has been storing in his lab because the

0:50:43.340 --> 0:50:48.900
<v Speaker 2>fallen demons... can possess the bodies because a dead body

0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:51.760
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have a soul and a demon can only possess

0:50:52.360 --> 0:50:55.540
<v Speaker 2>something that doesn't have a soul. And because Adam doesn't

0:50:55.600 --> 0:51:00.049
<v Speaker 2>have a soul, that's why he's relevant or something. Or

0:51:00.090 --> 0:51:01.870
<v Speaker 2>they want the book to figure out how to read.

0:51:02.450 --> 0:51:04.089
<v Speaker 2>It's a whole, it barely makes sense.

0:51:04.150 --> 0:51:07.730
<v Speaker 1>It's so absurd that they make this a reveal and

0:51:07.770 --> 0:51:11.950
<v Speaker 1>don't just tell you this like half an hour ago.

0:51:11.969 --> 0:51:15.820
<v Speaker 1>Because as a viewer, you're like, okay, like it's still

0:51:15.900 --> 0:51:17.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of too much exposition. We were like, I kind

0:51:17.800 --> 0:51:20.460
<v Speaker 1>of get it. But why would you tell me this

0:51:20.520 --> 0:51:24.900
<v Speaker 1>like 20 minutes before the movie is over? Also, because

0:51:24.960 --> 0:51:28.850
<v Speaker 1>we are clearly like, we're supposed to be like shipping Dr.

0:51:29.310 --> 0:51:32.690
<v Speaker 1>Tara Wade and I Frankenstein and they meet pretty late

0:51:32.810 --> 0:51:35.590
<v Speaker 1>in the movie. And then he kidnaps her.

0:51:35.610 --> 0:51:37.110
<v Speaker 2>It's like halfway through.

0:51:37.390 --> 0:51:39.950
<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah. And this movie is my favorite kind of movie.

0:51:39.989 --> 0:51:41.589
<v Speaker 1>It's exactly an hour and a half long.

0:51:42.180 --> 0:51:42.739
<v Speaker 2>Mercifully.

0:51:43.160 --> 0:51:46.420
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, they meet kind of too late. And then

0:51:46.460 --> 0:51:49.500
<v Speaker 1>the writing is bad. So you're never like, they should kiss.

0:51:49.620 --> 0:51:51.800
<v Speaker 1>I'd never feel like they should kiss. But the movie

0:51:51.840 --> 0:51:54.940
<v Speaker 1>really definitely feels like they should kiss.

0:51:55.100 --> 0:51:57.460
<v Speaker 2>It very much wants you to feel that. Because the

0:51:57.500 --> 0:52:01.239
<v Speaker 2>next thing that happens is that after Adam kills this demon,

0:52:01.960 --> 0:52:07.750
<v Speaker 2>they go back to Adam's studio apartment where he's literally.

0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:15.370
<v Speaker 1>His filthy, no light bulbs studio apartment. At what point

0:52:15.410 --> 0:52:18.430
<v Speaker 1>in the story did he sign a lease?

0:52:19.070 --> 0:52:21.830
<v Speaker 2>You see a scene in kind of the montage where

0:52:21.850 --> 0:52:25.919
<v Speaker 2>he is arriving in the nondescript European city where he like,

0:52:26.440 --> 0:52:28.960
<v Speaker 2>I think the idea is that he's squatting in like

0:52:29.060 --> 0:52:30.990
<v Speaker 2>an abandoned building. Cause you see him kind of like

0:52:31.050 --> 0:52:33.719
<v Speaker 2>break down a door and like move in.

0:52:34.130 --> 0:52:36.410
<v Speaker 1>Okay. I do remember that. That makes me feel a

0:52:36.550 --> 0:52:39.330
<v Speaker 1>little bit better. Cause I'm just like, there's also like

0:52:39.989 --> 0:52:41.350
<v Speaker 1>landlords in this.

0:52:41.950 --> 0:52:46.009
<v Speaker 2>Right. Like for who, how much is he trying to

0:52:46.070 --> 0:52:49.750
<v Speaker 2>assimilate into like human society?

0:52:49.969 --> 0:52:51.910
<v Speaker 1>And how much of a point is there in doing that?

0:52:53.830 --> 0:52:57.270
<v Speaker 1>and immediately scares people because they're like who is this

0:52:57.370 --> 0:52:59.770
<v Speaker 1>why is he so serious right.

0:52:59.690 --> 0:53:01.950
<v Speaker 2>Because he's got scars all over his face we're meant

0:53:01.969 --> 0:53:04.800
<v Speaker 2>to think that he's ugly even though it's aaron eckhart

0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:09.200
<v Speaker 2>who is handsome yeah but okay the final little reveal

0:53:09.320 --> 0:53:13.600
<v Speaker 2>bit of information that we get i guess might explain

0:53:13.640 --> 0:53:17.509
<v Speaker 2>some of this where so okay they go back to

0:53:17.550 --> 0:53:21.840
<v Speaker 2>his apartment she patches him up he takes off his shirt.

0:53:21.920 --> 0:53:24.320
<v Speaker 2>She's like, Ooh, la la. Cause he's got like a

0:53:24.380 --> 0:53:26.560
<v Speaker 2>six pack. My other favorite part of this movie is

0:53:26.580 --> 0:53:29.830
<v Speaker 2>that at this point he described, he tells her that

0:53:30.070 --> 0:53:34.870
<v Speaker 2>he is eight different corpses sewn together. And it's like, really?

0:53:34.950 --> 0:53:38.030
<v Speaker 2>Because we're all of those corpses, just clones of Aaron Eckhart,

0:53:38.070 --> 0:53:40.590
<v Speaker 2>because you look like it's just one person with a

0:53:40.630 --> 0:53:43.770
<v Speaker 2>lot of scar tissue. Like if it was really eight

0:53:43.810 --> 0:53:47.790
<v Speaker 2>different corpses, like wouldn't there be different skin colors and

0:53:47.930 --> 0:53:52.880
<v Speaker 2>like sizes of the different body parts and things like that.

0:53:53.160 --> 0:53:56.279
<v Speaker 2>But that is not the case.

0:53:56.860 --> 0:53:59.799
<v Speaker 1>You would think. But yeah, no, that's just something that

0:53:59.880 --> 0:54:01.480
<v Speaker 1>like I think you're just supposed to be like, oh,

0:54:02.820 --> 0:54:06.290
<v Speaker 1>like she seems to be this like. kind of generally

0:54:06.690 --> 0:54:10.650
<v Speaker 1>has the hots for him, which physically, not a problem,

0:54:10.850 --> 0:54:15.140
<v Speaker 1>but he did just kidnap her, and I do take

0:54:15.300 --> 0:54:21.040
<v Speaker 1>umbrage with that. This movie defies analysis.

0:54:21.860 --> 0:54:23.000
<v Speaker 2>We should just stop here.

0:54:23.020 --> 0:54:26.649
<v Speaker 1>Boldly spits in the face. I'm just like, you know what?

0:54:26.989 --> 0:54:31.140
<v Speaker 1>You win, iFrankenstein. I don't know which way is up.

0:54:33.020 --> 0:54:36.180
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, she's immediately in love with him, but you know.

0:54:36.200 --> 0:54:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she sees his six pack and she's like, oh

0:54:39.180 --> 0:54:43.450
<v Speaker 2>my gosh, who's that? And then we find out that

0:54:43.489 --> 0:54:49.270
<v Speaker 2>the reason Adam kidnapped her is because Victor Frankenstein had

0:54:49.350 --> 0:54:54.530
<v Speaker 2>promised his monster a his wife, but did not deliver

0:54:54.590 --> 0:54:59.540
<v Speaker 2>on that promise. So it's implied that Adam is hoping

0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:03.180
<v Speaker 2>that Tara will like, make him a wife or, like,

0:55:03.260 --> 0:55:08.530
<v Speaker 2>reanimate a wife for him. And this information is given

0:55:08.570 --> 0:55:11.350
<v Speaker 2>to us as if this is something that Adam has

0:55:11.430 --> 0:55:14.810
<v Speaker 2>wanted his whole life. All he wants is a partner,

0:55:14.969 --> 0:55:18.250
<v Speaker 2>and this is, like, what he's always wanted. But we're

0:55:18.650 --> 0:55:22.290
<v Speaker 2>finding this out 50 minutes into the movie.

0:55:22.870 --> 0:55:27.080
<v Speaker 1>He never says this. And also, it also, like, directly...

0:55:27.180 --> 0:55:30.960
<v Speaker 1>contradicts what we know about him because every other second

0:55:31.020 --> 0:55:33.680
<v Speaker 1>he's like i want to be alone i'm a loner

0:55:33.780 --> 0:55:36.420
<v Speaker 1>but then apparently he doesn't want to be alone but

0:55:36.520 --> 0:55:39.399
<v Speaker 1>he never says that someone just tells him that that's

0:55:39.440 --> 0:55:45.890
<v Speaker 1>what he thinks and he's like yeah obviously.

0:55:46.570 --> 0:55:49.910
<v Speaker 2>Also how does she deduce that information like is it

0:55:49.950 --> 0:55:52.370
<v Speaker 2>written in the book i don't know how she figures

0:55:52.410 --> 0:55:54.420
<v Speaker 2>that out It's so confusing.

0:55:54.960 --> 0:55:58.879
<v Speaker 1>There's no way it's in the book, right? Also, while

0:55:58.960 --> 0:56:01.600
<v Speaker 1>all of this was happening, and it makes sense that

0:56:01.620 --> 0:56:04.790
<v Speaker 1>you didn't mention it, there was like some gargoyles that

0:56:04.830 --> 0:56:06.110
<v Speaker 1>were in love, but then they died.

0:56:06.890 --> 0:56:08.709
<v Speaker 2>Oh, yeah. Yes, yes, yes.

0:56:09.430 --> 0:56:12.899
<v Speaker 1>It literally doesn't matter. There's two gargoyles. They were like

0:56:13.260 --> 0:56:15.720
<v Speaker 1>warriors for the queen.

0:56:15.820 --> 0:56:18.620
<v Speaker 2>Ophir and Kezia?

0:56:19.050 --> 0:56:19.410
<v Speaker 3>Yes.

0:56:19.550 --> 0:56:20.430
<v Speaker 2>Or something like that?

0:56:20.730 --> 0:56:25.250
<v Speaker 1>Ophir dies and then Kezia at the last second with

0:56:25.290 --> 0:56:28.190
<v Speaker 1>her last gasp of breath is like, actually, I was

0:56:28.230 --> 0:56:30.810
<v Speaker 1>in love with him. And you're like, what? And then

0:56:30.850 --> 0:56:32.770
<v Speaker 1>she dies. You're like, well, I guess I don't care.

0:56:32.790 --> 0:56:36.299
<v Speaker 1>I guess they were together a lot. what and then

0:56:36.380 --> 0:56:38.339
<v Speaker 1>she's just like also it wasn't allowed for us to

0:56:38.380 --> 0:56:40.560
<v Speaker 1>date I'm like well I didn't know that.

0:56:40.360 --> 0:56:44.620
<v Speaker 2>Right there's there's just not enough world building I guess

0:56:44.660 --> 0:56:49.460
<v Speaker 2>there's too much exposition and also not enough like people.

0:56:48.560 --> 0:56:52.160
<v Speaker 1>Are like giving exposition about their character and their world

0:56:52.239 --> 0:56:55.020
<v Speaker 1>and their life like with their dying breath and then

0:56:55.060 --> 0:56:58.700
<v Speaker 1>you're just like well I guess that's that like by

0:56:58.739 --> 0:57:00.360
<v Speaker 1>the way I was in love by the way gargoyle

0:57:00.400 --> 0:57:06.219
<v Speaker 1>love is forbidden she just disappears you're just like Oh,

0:57:06.239 --> 0:57:11.370
<v Speaker 1>it's so confusing. Why are they not allowed to date?

0:57:11.390 --> 0:57:16.110
<v Speaker 2>I don't. There's no reason given.

0:57:16.510 --> 0:57:17.810
<v Speaker 1>But they're going to date in heaven.

0:57:18.110 --> 0:57:18.510
<v Speaker 2>In heaven.

0:57:18.530 --> 0:57:20.890
<v Speaker 1>Which is why Aaron Eckhart's going to save her life,

0:57:20.930 --> 0:57:23.430
<v Speaker 1>but then she's like, no, gargoyles aren't allowed to date,

0:57:23.550 --> 0:57:26.320
<v Speaker 1>so I'm going to go date him in heaven. Because

0:57:26.360 --> 0:57:29.700
<v Speaker 1>we were in love, by the way. And then she dies.

0:57:29.760 --> 0:57:32.600
<v Speaker 2>You know how the main thing we know about heaven

0:57:32.660 --> 0:57:35.620
<v Speaker 2>is that that's where People go to date each other?

0:57:35.960 --> 0:57:40.020
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you're forbidden from dating. It's like Jack and Rose.

0:57:41.960 --> 0:57:43.040
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't going to work out.

0:57:43.520 --> 0:57:46.130
<v Speaker 2>So she has to fall asleep and have a dream?

0:57:46.150 --> 0:57:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh, my God. we simply don't have time but i

0:57:50.460 --> 0:57:53.530
<v Speaker 1>just always think that that's so funny like yeah they

0:57:53.550 --> 0:57:56.050
<v Speaker 1>just all of that it happens in two minutes if

0:57:56.090 --> 0:57:59.410
<v Speaker 1>you lose that scene if you just if an editor

0:57:59.450 --> 0:58:02.470
<v Speaker 1>trips and falls and loses those two characters it doesn't matter.

0:58:02.240 --> 0:58:10.700
<v Speaker 2>Um okay so we found out that adam has wanted

0:58:10.720 --> 0:58:14.320
<v Speaker 2>a his wife this whole time apparently um So then

0:58:14.460 --> 0:58:17.700
<v Speaker 2>Adam goes back to the gargoyles and tells Queen Leonor

0:58:17.720 --> 0:58:24.380
<v Speaker 2>about Nibirius's plan. And she's like, all right, we'll help you.

0:58:24.460 --> 0:58:28.690
<v Speaker 2>But then she tells Gideon to destroy Adam and the journal,

0:58:28.750 --> 0:58:32.590
<v Speaker 2>knowing that if Nibirius, what is his name? Nibirius?

0:58:32.670 --> 0:58:33.890
<v Speaker 3>Prince Nibirius.

0:58:34.650 --> 0:58:38.490
<v Speaker 2>Nibirius. gets his hands on it, it will mean the

0:58:38.530 --> 0:58:42.050
<v Speaker 2>death of all gargoyles and all of humankind. So she's

0:58:51.370 --> 0:58:55.510
<v Speaker 2>Tara has been kidnapped again by Nibirius.

0:58:55.910 --> 0:58:58.600
<v Speaker 1>She barely gets to catch her breath after that first kidnapping.

0:59:00.820 --> 0:59:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Is it not that she is literally walking away from

0:59:04.700 --> 0:59:07.130
<v Speaker 1>her first kidnapping when she is then kidnapped a second

0:59:07.170 --> 0:59:11.340
<v Speaker 1>time Correct. By Prince Nibirius, who is also her employer.

0:59:11.580 --> 0:59:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine in one night getting kidnapped by Frankenstein's

0:59:15.100 --> 0:59:17.220
<v Speaker 2>monster and then a demon prince?

0:59:17.540 --> 0:59:19.460
<v Speaker 1>I am a demon prince. And then also finding out

0:59:19.480 --> 0:59:21.890
<v Speaker 1>that you've known a demon prince for like years.

0:59:23.190 --> 0:59:25.470
<v Speaker 2>He signs your paychecks.

0:59:25.550 --> 0:59:28.760
<v Speaker 1>And I like that they like use her... I don't

0:59:28.840 --> 0:59:32.440
<v Speaker 1>like the other scientist as bait where he calls her.

0:59:32.480 --> 0:59:34.620
<v Speaker 1>He's like, get to the office. And then he's standing

0:59:34.660 --> 0:59:37.800
<v Speaker 1>behind like this wall of water for literally no reason.

0:59:38.550 --> 0:59:39.350
<v Speaker 2>What was that?

0:59:39.370 --> 0:59:41.710
<v Speaker 1>I think that was the front of their office building.

0:59:41.750 --> 0:59:44.030
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know. Like I was, that scene is

0:59:44.050 --> 0:59:46.110
<v Speaker 1>always really disorienting. Cause I'm like, where is he? Is

0:59:46.150 --> 0:59:48.410
<v Speaker 1>that because the effects are so bad in this movie

0:59:48.430 --> 0:59:52.190
<v Speaker 1>that you're like, maybe that's magic, but it's literally just

0:59:52.510 --> 0:59:56.160
<v Speaker 1>a fancy office installment. And then she's kidnapped again. And

0:59:56.180 --> 0:59:59.420
<v Speaker 1>then you're like, who is this guy? It's so confusing.

0:59:59.800 --> 1:00:02.200
<v Speaker 2>Right. Are we supposed to care that he dies? I

1:00:02.240 --> 1:00:02.500
<v Speaker 2>don't know.

1:00:02.700 --> 1:00:05.260
<v Speaker 1>And at this point we're like, wait, gargoyles can't date

1:00:05.300 --> 1:00:05.700
<v Speaker 1>each other?

1:00:08.490 --> 1:00:08.800
<v Speaker 3>Why?

1:00:08.820 --> 1:00:14.630
<v Speaker 2>But they can have sex in heaven? Okay, so Nibirius

1:00:14.750 --> 1:00:18.210
<v Speaker 2>is like, all right, gotcha, gotcha, Dr. Wade. It's time

1:00:18.250 --> 1:00:21.200
<v Speaker 2>to start reanimating all my characters. corpses which he has

1:00:21.240 --> 1:00:24.380
<v Speaker 2>like tens of thousands of just like stored away and.

1:00:24.660 --> 1:00:27.040
<v Speaker 1>It's also like it's so not a sure thing that

1:00:27.100 --> 1:00:30.680
<v Speaker 1>he's going to find this journal so which makes his

1:00:30.780 --> 1:00:34.530
<v Speaker 1>level of preparation baffling but it maybe could answer the

1:00:34.550 --> 1:00:36.890
<v Speaker 1>question of where are all the people in this town

1:00:37.470 --> 1:00:40.710
<v Speaker 1>they're all dead he's already dead.

1:00:42.100 --> 1:00:46.240
<v Speaker 2>He's got a subterranean layer that goes down what looks

1:00:46.280 --> 1:00:49.820
<v Speaker 2>like miles and miles underground, and that's where he's storing

1:00:49.880 --> 1:00:50.680
<v Speaker 2>all the corpses.

1:00:50.960 --> 1:00:53.860
<v Speaker 1>That shot always reminds me of the shot in Monsters

1:00:53.900 --> 1:00:56.560
<v Speaker 1>Incorporated when you're like, it zooms out, you know, they're

1:00:56.600 --> 1:00:58.360
<v Speaker 1>like hanging on one door, and then it zooms out

1:00:58.380 --> 1:01:01.500
<v Speaker 1>and there's a ton of doors. So imagine instead of doors,

1:01:01.580 --> 1:01:06.040
<v Speaker 1>it was just like corpses. Like, it's like that. That

1:01:06.080 --> 1:01:08.700
<v Speaker 1>is exactly what it is. It's the same shot.

1:01:08.720 --> 1:01:11.640
<v Speaker 2>They're all like hanging, like they're all kind of suspended from...

1:01:12.270 --> 1:01:15.300
<v Speaker 2>some like bars above them and they're like kind of

1:01:15.320 --> 1:01:17.180
<v Speaker 2>spaced apart, like six feet apart.

1:01:17.740 --> 1:01:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Timely. It's exactly the same shot as the Monsters Incorporated Doris,

1:01:26.020 --> 1:01:28.100
<v Speaker 1>except it's the most horrifying thing you've ever seen in

1:01:28.140 --> 1:01:32.920
<v Speaker 1>your life. And it's also clearly the same corpse photoshopped

1:01:32.920 --> 1:01:37.580
<v Speaker 1>5,000 times. There's zero diversity in the corpses because it's

1:01:37.800 --> 1:01:42.770
<v Speaker 1>the same man 5,000 times. You're like, okay, so we

1:01:42.810 --> 1:01:45.770
<v Speaker 1>believe that there was 5,000 of the same person who

1:01:45.830 --> 1:01:47.880
<v Speaker 1>used to live here, but then they were killed. And

1:01:47.900 --> 1:01:49.000
<v Speaker 1>now they're going to be a demon army.

1:01:49.360 --> 1:01:55.540
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So then we see a scene where Adam destroys

1:01:55.640 --> 1:01:59.560
<v Speaker 2>the journal in, like, a trash can fire. Yeah. And

1:01:59.600 --> 1:02:05.260
<v Speaker 2>then he leads the gargoyles to, like, the demon headquarters

1:02:05.380 --> 1:02:15.950
<v Speaker 2>to wherever Bill Nighy's office is. And then Adam battles Nibirius, who...

1:02:16.350 --> 1:02:20.140
<v Speaker 2>summons the demons from hell to possess the corpses that

1:02:20.160 --> 1:02:24.320
<v Speaker 2>are currently being reanimated. And then one demon tries to

1:02:24.430 --> 1:02:28.150
<v Speaker 2>possess Adam, which you think he might be able to

1:02:28.210 --> 1:02:31.170
<v Speaker 2>do because Adam doesn't have a soul as it's been established.

1:02:31.190 --> 1:02:34.670
<v Speaker 1>He's also got like a pentagram in blood on his

1:02:34.730 --> 1:02:39.340
<v Speaker 1>forehead at this point. That's a whole thing that just happens.

1:02:40.200 --> 1:02:40.520
<v Speaker 2>Right.

1:02:40.580 --> 1:02:43.060
<v Speaker 1>Kind of just to remind you that Prince Nuberius is

1:02:43.120 --> 1:02:45.280
<v Speaker 1>a demon prince, even though he literally just said, I

1:02:45.740 --> 1:02:46.680
<v Speaker 1>am a demon prince.

1:02:47.280 --> 1:02:48.660
<v Speaker 2>I am a demon prince.

1:02:50.260 --> 1:02:52.960
<v Speaker 1>But like, if you didn't if you happen to be

1:02:53.000 --> 1:02:57.050
<v Speaker 1>peeing during that line you're then reminded with the bloody

1:02:57.110 --> 1:03:02.570
<v Speaker 1>pentagram on his head oh i love this movie.

1:03:03.770 --> 1:03:07.410
<v Speaker 2>So a demon tries to inhabit and possess adam's body

1:03:07.890 --> 1:03:13.440
<v Speaker 2>but he can't because twist adam has a soul now

1:03:13.800 --> 1:03:16.740
<v Speaker 2>and i guess it's because he's fallen in love with

1:03:16.860 --> 1:03:20.870
<v Speaker 2>tara or because he's decided to like join the good

1:03:20.970 --> 1:03:22.950
<v Speaker 2>side of this battle i.

1:03:22.970 --> 1:03:25.210
<v Speaker 1>Don't or maybe he had one the whole time like

1:03:25.230 --> 1:03:28.110
<v Speaker 1>we genuinely don't we don't really have a reason to

1:03:28.130 --> 1:03:30.050
<v Speaker 1>believe that he didn't have one at the beginning other

1:03:30.090 --> 1:03:33.190
<v Speaker 1>than he said i don't have one true maybe he

1:03:33.230 --> 1:03:36.450
<v Speaker 1>just had one the whole time we don't know you

1:03:36.490 --> 1:03:40.080
<v Speaker 1>never know no one cares and involved with the movie

1:03:40.280 --> 1:03:42.140
<v Speaker 1>apparently no.

1:03:42.720 --> 1:03:45.840
<v Speaker 2>But he has a soul, and he kills Nibirius.

1:03:46.060 --> 1:03:50.900
<v Speaker 1>He stabs him in his sexy devil abs. Also, to note, like,

1:03:51.760 --> 1:03:55.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure Bill Nighy is, like, shredded, but it's very

1:03:55.300 --> 1:03:58.390
<v Speaker 1>jarring for his whole, all of his skin to burn off,

1:03:58.530 --> 1:04:01.390
<v Speaker 1>and all that's, like, left beneath his skin is, like,

1:04:01.970 --> 1:04:05.990
<v Speaker 1>shredded abs. It all happens so quickly. And then he's

1:04:06.750 --> 1:04:10.090
<v Speaker 1>sliced in his shredded devil abs.

1:04:10.640 --> 1:04:14.930
<v Speaker 2>In the shape of the, like, holy gargoyle symbol. But, okay,

1:04:15.410 --> 1:04:17.450
<v Speaker 2>first of all, I'm not as confident that Bill Nighy

1:04:17.820 --> 1:04:18.300
<v Speaker 2>is shredded.

1:04:18.320 --> 1:04:21.710
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I'm like, well, he's like in his like 70s

1:04:21.710 --> 1:04:25.370
<v Speaker 1>or possibly 70s when this movie was shot. But it

1:04:25.790 --> 1:04:28.830
<v Speaker 1>is kind of alarming to be like, wait, that was

1:04:28.930 --> 1:04:31.070
<v Speaker 1>Bill Nighy a second ago. Why is it like this

1:04:31.130 --> 1:04:36.150
<v Speaker 1>like CGI sexy, but the scariest person I've ever seen? Like,

1:04:36.910 --> 1:04:41.330
<v Speaker 1>I'm also curious about how for those scenes. At what

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<v Speaker 1>point is Bill Nighy like. All right, bring in my

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<v Speaker 1>body double. Or do you think he's like a pro

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<v Speaker 1>that's like, no, I want to be here. Frankenstein, so

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<v Speaker 1>nice of you to come. Like, you know, so many

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<v Speaker 1>good lines.

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<v Speaker 2>He's in every shot, even the ones he's not supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be in. Yeah, he's there. Just off screen.

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<v Speaker 1>I love Bill Nighy.

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<v Speaker 2>He's incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember during Detective Pikachu where he got really

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<v Speaker 1>into Pokemon Go? Like, he cares. Yeah. But if I

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<v Speaker 1>were doing iFrankenstein, I wouldn't be like, I would be like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I bring you my body double, you know? Anyways.

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<v Speaker 2>He's also a great villain in the second Pirates of

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<v Speaker 2>the Caribbean movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just say that.

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<v Speaker 1>He's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope he doesn't turn out to be a horrible

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<v Speaker 2>person because every time we've been like, I love XYZ actor,

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<v Speaker 2>then they've always been terrible villains.

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<v Speaker 1>Except for you know who.

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<v Speaker 2>Except for Alfred Molina.

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<v Speaker 1>Our king.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true. But there's been like episodes. There was like

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<v Speaker 2>an episode where I was like, I think Kevin Spacey's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>And then like.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, really?

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<v Speaker 2>Three months later, the news broke about Kevin Spacey. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, dear.

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<v Speaker 2>I can never like a man ever again.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think, yeah, we learned our lesson there. We've grown. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So the lab implodes. And then Queen Leonore saves

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<v Speaker 2>Adam and Tara from this implosion. And then Tara is like, Adam,

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<v Speaker 2>where's the journal? And he's like, I don't need it anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>And she's like, well, what about how I was going

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<v Speaker 2>to make you a wife? And he's like, you're my

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<v Speaker 2>wife now. Now, that doesn't exactly happen in the movie,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is heavily implied.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good summary, essentially.

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<v Speaker 2>She is going to be his wife now.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's also like she professionally really could have used

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<v Speaker 1>that journal.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like. It seems like her professional fortunes, Nibirius aside,

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<v Speaker 1>that would have been very professionally useful to her. She

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<v Speaker 1>seemed invested in what she was doing, even though it

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<v Speaker 1>was the devil's science. But also.

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<v Speaker 2>So that implies... that pseudoscience that was developed in the

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<v Speaker 2>late 18th century was more advanced than science that they

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<v Speaker 2>were doing in the lab in present day. Like, how

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<v Speaker 2>useful was that book for her? Like, surely they'd figured

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<v Speaker 2>the same stuff out and beyond in the 200 plus years?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know, because the only science we

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<v Speaker 1>saw her do was double it. So... She could very

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<v Speaker 1>possibly need all the help she could get.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe she's terrible at her job. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like her and her lab partner don't seem to

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<v Speaker 1>agree on anything. But yeah, who knows? The fake science

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<v Speaker 1>in this movie is so over the top, like nonsense. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>everything they read, it's like there are some drawings, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's mostly a journal of like. I Frankenstein is mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how helpful that is. Some iconic quotes

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<v Speaker 1>that we didn't hit in the recap really quick.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, please.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of great VO from I Frankenstein.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was the end, but it was actually

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<v Speaker 3>just the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>Which you're like... Okay, that is what you were saying

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<v Speaker 1>in the first half of that sentence. Trusting others is

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<v Speaker 1>a mistake you only make once. That's when he's walking

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<v Speaker 1>through the death club or whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, sure.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the closing line, I, descender of the demon horde, I,

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<v Speaker 3>my father's son. oh Frankenstein that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Great wow we're like that's the name of the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like and then and then it's so clearly like

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<v Speaker 1>come back next year for the sequel and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>it's not coming uh but my favorite fuck up in

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<v Speaker 1>this movie I think it's a fuck up if it's

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<v Speaker 1>on purpose I am completely baffled but there's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the demons I think he's like a pretty prevalent demon

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<v Speaker 1>unless he just happened unless everyone in a leather coat

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<v Speaker 1>looks the same to me but he comes up a

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<v Speaker 1>few times He comes to Prince Nibirius to tell them

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<v Speaker 1>that I, Frankenstein, he's wounded him. But it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>an editor put in two shots and was supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>take one out and choose one and then just left

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<v Speaker 1>both of them because he walks in he says i

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<v Speaker 1>think i wounded it and then he turns to the

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<v Speaker 1>left and says i think it's wounded do you see

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<v Speaker 1>he says the same exact line two times I just,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that was an editing mistake that made it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I will, I will send you the clip.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I wounded it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's wounded. I'm like, yeah, he can hear you.

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<v Speaker 1>Like he was right there. Uh, it's, it's so good. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>what do we got in terms of feminism here? We

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<v Speaker 1>got a woman in STEM.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we got, and I thought because I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>that she doesn't know she's working for a demon. Um,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought she was in on it at first, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I was prepared to be like, oh, it's another

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<v Speaker 2>example of the demonization, literally, of a woman in STEM.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we've seen that a lot in various movies where

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<v Speaker 2>oftentimes if there is a woman in STEM character, she

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<v Speaker 2>is working on the wrong side. But that's not the case.

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<v Speaker 2>She's just too oblivious to know that she's working for

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<v Speaker 2>a demon.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. No, she's a woman in STEM. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>we can really speak to how good she is at

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<v Speaker 1>her job because all she says is double it. Double it!

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<v Speaker 1>He's already dead. I'm like, this doesn't sound very professional. But,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, she's clearly pretty high up in her field

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<v Speaker 1>at this company where two people work. So she's the

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<v Speaker 1>better of two people. I appreciate the woman in STEM visibility.

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<v Speaker 1>Her character's not well thought out, but I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess that this is one of those things where like

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<v Speaker 1>the movie is so bad that you're like, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>even really say that the writers of this story are

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<v Speaker 1>particularly bad at writing women because they just seem to

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<v Speaker 1>like not be good at writing anybody. Nobody's motivation in

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<v Speaker 1>this movie makes sense. There's still, I think we've already

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<v Speaker 1>kind of gone over a lot of the tropes of like,

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<v Speaker 1>she's instantly in love with her captor because he's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of hot, that kind of thing. She's repeatedly kidnapped. She

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't engage in combat, even though she does some things

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<v Speaker 1>that are helpful and like, there's some like asterisk, like

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<v Speaker 1>she's not completely robbed of agency, but she's mostly robbed

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<v Speaker 1>of agency. And she, she has no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>She is made necessary to the story because of her

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of position as being like the head scientist.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But as soon as she meets Adam, yeah, it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>she's attracted to him and he's attracted to her. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess there's like shortly after they meet, And he goes

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<v Speaker 2>to Queen Leonore. He's like, well, things are different for

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<v Speaker 2>me now. I have someone with me. I have someone

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<v Speaker 2>to protect. So he sees.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like they never really confirmed that that was a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So when he is suddenly like, you are my monster

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<v Speaker 1>wife now. Like. she should have a say in that. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>they need to have a discussion about, like, there's whole

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<v Speaker 1>movies about this. Like, there's... If we're talking about a

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<v Speaker 1>movie Miranda Otto was in, he is immortal, she is not.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's something to discuss. But maybe they were going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it in the second movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Never got made. The sequel... Us, Frankenstein.

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<v Speaker 1>We, Frankensteins. I would love to see the treatment. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like for sure there was a treatment for the

1:12:17.990 --> 1:12:19.810
<v Speaker 1>second one because they're like, this is going to pop off.

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<v Speaker 1>If the name Jai Courtney means anything to you, he's

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<v Speaker 1>been in a bunch of movies. He's in this as

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<v Speaker 1>a gargoyle named Gideon who says something expositional about his

1:12:31.680 --> 1:12:34.340
<v Speaker 1>character with his dying breath and then goes to heaven.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't really matter. It's not relevant to the story.

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<v Speaker 1>Queen Leonore... what uh she is okay so i'll say

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<v Speaker 1>good things first okay she is clearly in charge of

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<v Speaker 1>the gargoyles she.

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<v Speaker 2>Is their queen she's a woman in charge.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lesser movie would it's weird to say

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<v Speaker 1>but i frankenstein I think a lesser movie would be like,

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<v Speaker 1>where's the king? What happened to your husband? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>like that. There's really not a lot made of like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a matriarchal society. And we're made to believe,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they're all immortal except for when they're killed

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<v Speaker 1>by demons. So they're not immortal, but they can't date. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>she can't, there can't be, she can't have a spouse.

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<v Speaker 1>Gargoyles can't date.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's a woman in charge. She seems pretty respected. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>By her fellow gargoyles. She has one outfit.

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<v Speaker 2>She's the only one who.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not materialistic.

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<v Speaker 2>She's the only one who has a direct link to

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<v Speaker 2>the angels in heaven. True. So she's very important. She's

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<v Speaker 2>very powerful in that regard.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we don't stand royalty structures, but in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of the person in charge, okay, the gargoyles are a

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<v Speaker 1>matriarchal system. Even though she is constantly being kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like nagged and batted about by her gargoyle gladiators, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of scenes where Jai Courtney is like, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't make any sense. You care too much about I Frankenstein.

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<v Speaker 1>And like, is he wrong? But she's, and then she'll

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<v Speaker 1>say something weird. Her motivation changes constantly. She also says

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<v Speaker 1>like this weird, it kind of sounds pro-lifey where she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>all life is sacred. And I'm like, Ooh, that feels

1:14:20.890 --> 1:14:27.080
<v Speaker 1>like a threatening Midwestern billboard. Uh, the, the, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>She also gets kidnapped.

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<v Speaker 1>She does get kidnapped.

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<v Speaker 2>She gets kidnapped and she has to be saved. But

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<v Speaker 2>then she also goes to battle. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But she doesn't really fight. She's just kind of there.

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<v Speaker 1>And her gargoyle form is also really hard to look at.

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<v Speaker 2>It has boobs.

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<v Speaker 1>It does.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we have to gender.

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<v Speaker 1>I think some gargoyles are fairly gendered, but just the

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<v Speaker 1>rendering of it is disgusting. Yeah. It looks so smooth.

1:14:57.170 --> 1:15:01.070
<v Speaker 1>It's just gross. Yeah. And I hate looking at it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gross. Yeah, I was kind of unclear. The battle

1:15:06.270 --> 1:15:08.229
<v Speaker 1>scenes are so chaotic that maybe you're supposed to think

1:15:08.250 --> 1:15:10.730
<v Speaker 1>she's fighting, but you don't actually see her fighting, but

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<v Speaker 1>she's there. So I don't know. And then there's Kezia,

1:15:15.240 --> 1:15:20.960
<v Speaker 1>who famously reveals a large amount of useless information with

1:15:21.000 --> 1:15:25.220
<v Speaker 1>her dying breath. So there's really not anything there other than...

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of reaction shots in the scene where I

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<v Speaker 1>Frankenstein's choosing pipes as a weapon. And it at least

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<v Speaker 1>means that gender wise, the gargoyles don't discriminate on who

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<v Speaker 1>can fight in battle.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, she's a warrior. She dies in battle. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>so I think again, a lesser movie maybe might not

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<v Speaker 1>do that, but this is a matriarchal society and, And

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<v Speaker 1>also there seems to be like, even though in the

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<v Speaker 1>wide shot in the battles, it seems like there's 400 gargoyles,

1:15:56.090 --> 1:15:59.689
<v Speaker 1>there's actually like maybe 14. So you really can't be

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<v Speaker 1>like saying a certain like gargoyle can't fight. The army

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<v Speaker 1>is very small.

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<v Speaker 2>There's only like five who we actually see. They're like

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<v Speaker 2>human faces. And it's more diverse than I thought they

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<v Speaker 2>would be.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure. And.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like while there are women gargoyles, there seem

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<v Speaker 2>to be only male demons. So they are not living

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<v Speaker 2>in a... Commentary. Yeah, right?

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<v Speaker 1>Demons? Patriarchy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Gargoyles? Matriarchy.

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<v Speaker 2>Matriarchy.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why gargoyles are good.

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<v Speaker 2>But the only thing we know about Kezia, Kezia, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>her name is, is that she had this forbidden love

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<v Speaker 2>with Ophir. So the only thing we know about her

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<v Speaker 2>is like her love of a man. All we know.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that they have stood near each other in several scenes. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Does he love her? We don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And then, yeah, she dies a half hour into the movie,

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<v Speaker 2>which is better than Mrs. Frankenstein, who dies before we

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<v Speaker 2>even meet her. Because she gets killed by our title character.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is kind of funny, too, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>like this is a very, like, I don't think it's...

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<v Speaker 1>There are women in large roles. This is like a

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<v Speaker 1>pro-nobody story, right? I wouldn't argue that it's a feminist text.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think especially for the Frankenstein property, it just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of hits a little different because it's like... are

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<v Speaker 1>you really going to do Mary Shelley like that? One

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<v Speaker 1>of the most iconic female horror writers of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you're just going to show up with Aaron

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<v Speaker 1>Eckhart in a trench coat and at one point a hoodie,

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<v Speaker 1>such as on the poster for the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>His outfit's so bad. He's wearing dad jeans, a hoodie,

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<v Speaker 2>some long overcoat. But he's so sexy. I also think

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<v Speaker 2>he's wearing black eyeshadow for most of the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>He definitely is wearing it, yeah. I was thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>this on this viewing. I'm like, damn, that's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of time in the makeup chair for this movie. I

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<v Speaker 1>will say the demon practical effects I thought looked really

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<v Speaker 1>gross and really cool and reminded me of older horror

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<v Speaker 1>movies and also kind of reminded me of the live-action

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<v Speaker 1>Power Rangers show. It was like that caliber of practical

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<v Speaker 1>effect where it has like... you know, they have like scary,

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<v Speaker 1>like 500 skinny teeth and like, they're like, ah, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>never get like, it reminded me of power Rangers villains,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not a compliment, I guess, to a $ 65

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<v Speaker 1>million movie. But, um, but that's what it reminded me of.

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<v Speaker 1>And I liked that.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to watch this movie. There are incredible, perfect

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<v Speaker 1>movies that I love that I've seen less than this

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<v Speaker 1>movie just because Frankenstein is so fun to watch. It's

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<v Speaker 1>so fun to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>It is fun. I did. And I do want to

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<v Speaker 2>watch it as a group because I've only seen it, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>by myself in isolation and quarantine.

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<v Speaker 1>Once... Once... Once we're allowed out of the room, this

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<v Speaker 1>would be such a fun, even in like a, like

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<v Speaker 1>a backyard projector situation. I Frankenstein is just, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>great movie to watch with your friends because you don't

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<v Speaker 1>really need to pay attention, but if you do, there's

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<v Speaker 1>infinite rewards. It's just like all over the place. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly wasn't paying attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Me either, but I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>Unless Kezia and Leonor talk to each other about something

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<v Speaker 1>other than Adam Frankenstein, which seems kind of unlikely. They

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<v Speaker 1>talk to each other, but I'm almost certain it's about

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<v Speaker 1>Adam I. Frankenstein. There was talk of a sequel that

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<v Speaker 1>the second the movie came out and got 5% on

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<v Speaker 1>Rotten Tomatoes, they were like, nope. But I, Frankenstein, and

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<v Speaker 1>Underworld were possibly supposed to have a crossover movie. And

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<v Speaker 1>there was an early draft of the screenplay where Kate

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<v Speaker 1>Beckinsale would have had a credit scene in I, Frankenstein,

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<v Speaker 1>which I wish they would have kept because that would

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<v Speaker 1>have been so funny if Kate Beckinsale was just randomly

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<v Speaker 1>in it for two seconds at the end. Yeah. wow

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<v Speaker 1>this movie is here's the not that i like live

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<v Speaker 1>and die by rotten tomatoes but this is just a

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<v Speaker 1>fun sentence general consensus sentence loud incoherent and listless i

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<v Speaker 1>frankenstein is a remarkably dull fantasy adventure that fails to

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<v Speaker 1>generate excitement or interest that's so mean uh but not

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<v Speaker 1>wrong show me the lie So yeah, the movie is

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<v Speaker 1>really bad, but you gotta watch it. It's not a

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<v Speaker 1>feminist text, but I wouldn't say it's not not a

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<v Speaker 1>feminist text. It's just, it's barely text.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not contemptuous of women, but it also does

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<v Speaker 2>not know how to include them in any way that

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<v Speaker 2>is interesting or nuanced or not just like incredibly tropey.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like the two battle scenes that Tara is

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<v Speaker 2>adjacent to, yeah, she's just... For the whole climactic battle

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<v Speaker 2>between Adam and Prince Nebarius, she's literally lying on the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>She could get up. and like get away like do

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<v Speaker 2>something but she's literally just lying there for like 10.

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<v Speaker 1>Minutes yeah it's so it is so it reminds me

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<v Speaker 1>of kirsten dunst at the end of spider-man 2 yeah

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<v Speaker 1>where at least they had the good sense to like

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<v Speaker 1>make it impossible for.

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<v Speaker 2>Her to move i guess she's restrained.

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<v Speaker 1>Because then plot wise it makes sense yeah she's restrained

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<v Speaker 1>no yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But tara's just lying there She's not injured. She's not restrained.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not injured.

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<v Speaker 2>She's just lying on the floor.

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<v Speaker 1>She's just... I feel like she's maybe like... Much like

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<v Speaker 1>I Frankenstein is like, I don't think I want to

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<v Speaker 1>be involved in whatever's going on here.

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, I Frankenstein at the beginning, when... Cause the gargoyles

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<v Speaker 1>are really aggro about being like, you have to be

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<v Speaker 1>on our side. You're already involved. And he's like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>kind of not. So I'm going to go to the

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<v Speaker 1>woods for 200 years. And it's like, well, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like Tara is really involved. Like she could

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of be like, I quit my job. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'll go work at the like death metal bar

1:22:28.950 --> 1:22:30.870
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. Like that seems to be the only other

1:22:30.910 --> 1:22:35.009
<v Speaker 1>place you can work. in this whole place but um

1:22:36.790 --> 1:22:40.530
<v Speaker 1>or move she should probably just move like they have

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<v Speaker 1>to get out of there it seems like a bad

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<v Speaker 1>situation yeah this movie rocks i love it so much it's.

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<v Speaker 2>How many nipples would you give it i would give

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<v Speaker 2>it i.

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<v Speaker 1>Would give it 10 stone nipples i would give it

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<v Speaker 1>10 rock hard gargoyle nipples.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. What about demon nipples? How many demon nipples?

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<v Speaker 1>I would give it in terms of demon nipples. I

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<v Speaker 1>would probably give it one demon nipple because if we're

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<v Speaker 1>being real, um, you know, I, I think that there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of surface level work done of like, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a woman in charge. There's a woman in STEM. There's

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<v Speaker 1>some agency going on, but the whole thing is just

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<v Speaker 1>so incoherent. And there's so many tropes on top of

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<v Speaker 1>everything that it's like, you can't, you can't like, what

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<v Speaker 1>can you say? Yeah. I don't know. Ten stone nipples,

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<v Speaker 1>one demon nipple.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd give it one eye Frankenstein nipple. Also, are his

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<v Speaker 2>two different nipples from two different corpses? Probably.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably. And does he have a penis?

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<v Speaker 2>Did Victor Frankenstein give him, or does he just have

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<v Speaker 2>a little lump down there?

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<v Speaker 1>A sex lump?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I guess if you're talking logistics, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess that there would not be an evolutionary purpose to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. I guess it would come down to whether

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<v Speaker 1>Victor Frankenstein was... wanted i frankenstein to have pleasure that's

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<v Speaker 1>true right because it's like not like i don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that he would be able to reproduce or can he

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<v Speaker 1>be dead and all he has a soul we.

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<v Speaker 2>Need the sequel we need it we need.

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<v Speaker 1>A sequel i would i would love to because it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like it was like plotted out i would love

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<v Speaker 1>for kevin or stewart b i just just leak it

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<v Speaker 1>i want to know Yeah, this movie actually did not totally,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it made, it failed, but it made back

1:24:30.210 --> 1:24:34.070
<v Speaker 1>its budget internationally. Okay. And then it made about $ 10

1:24:33.750 --> 1:24:38.090
<v Speaker 1>million on top of it. So, you know, obviously they're

1:24:38.110 --> 1:24:40.030
<v Speaker 1>not going to do more, but they, but they, but

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't, movies have done worse. Sure. Movies have made

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<v Speaker 1>less dollars. But it is one of the worst movies

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever seen. And I just love it. I wish

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<v Speaker 1>I could see it in theaters again. Seeing it in

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<v Speaker 1>3D also, this is kind of unrelated because I doubt

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<v Speaker 1>that this version was preserved. But the 3D version was

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<v Speaker 1>also really cheap and bad and hurt my head to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd imagine so. I hate watching movies in 3D. The

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<v Speaker 2>last thing I'll say about this movie is that it's

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<v Speaker 2>yet another movie kind of about fathers and sons where

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<v Speaker 2>like Adam has.

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<v Speaker 1>These like issues.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he's like my daddy, Victor Frankenstein. And what did

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<v Speaker 2>it all mean? And then at the end, uh, Nibirius

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<v Speaker 2>is like, welcome my son. You are now my demon spawn.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, no, I'm not. I'm Adam. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I'm like Nibirius doesn't want a son. Does he?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's what he's wanted this whole time. Maybe that's

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<v Speaker 2>why he's obsessed with iFrankenstein. Maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't, I mean, I don't know. Yeah, maybe that's

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<v Speaker 1>why he only allows men into the demons. He's just

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<v Speaker 1>like shopping around for a son.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we find out 50 minutes into the movie

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<v Speaker 2>that Adam has wanted a wife this whole time, so

1:25:59.830 --> 1:26:02.610
<v Speaker 2>maybe Nabarius has wanted a son this whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not out of the realm of possibility. Ultimately, you

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<v Speaker 1>just have to drop everything and watch this movie right now.

1:26:08.800 --> 1:26:12.500
<v Speaker 1>It's just, like, it will just improve your day. It's

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<v Speaker 1>so fun.

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