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Speaker 1: it's affiliates, or sponsors. This is True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker and I head

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Speaker 2: of KAT Studios, where I get to make true crime podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Like In Cells out Now.

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Speaker 2: That was a very interesting conversation about in Cells that

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Speaker 2: we had last night, as well as the Idaho Massacre

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Speaker 2: season three and every night here of course with Courtney

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and a body move in. We have Sam behind

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Speaker 2: the board. And by the way, guys, it's just us.

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Speaker 2: We are running and wild tonight on Talk Practicday.

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Speaker 3: I'm a little nervous. We don't have any safety rails tonight.

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Speaker 3: Like Itay, It's okay, like it.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to be just as four chickens tonight

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Speaker 2: and listen. It's Tuesday, October seventh. I hope you had

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Speaker 2: a beautiful full moon. I actually fell asleep without doing

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Speaker 2: the moonwater.

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Speaker 3: Did you do your moonwater? What about oh?

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Speaker 4: Crystals out? I put my crystals out on the table,

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Speaker 4: so let's see if you notice anything different.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're kind of not sure what to look for.

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Speaker 5: I'm recommending all the crystal work then, because I I

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Speaker 5: hang around people that like crystals, so I learned from

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Speaker 5: them and I I did sleep charge.

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Speaker 2: I apologize to the team, But listen, we're doing talk

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Speaker 2: back Tuesdays right now.

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Speaker 3: As always.

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Speaker 2: This is our favorite night where we get to hear

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Speaker 2: from you directly. You've been sending a lot of dms.

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Speaker 2: That's actually a funny thing that's been happening, so many dms,

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Speaker 2: talkback because it's so fun to hear your voice. Any

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Speaker 2: personal ones I try to immediately respond to. But the

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Speaker 2: ones that you've been sending directly to the show are

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Speaker 3: So we're going to try to get through some of

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Speaker 2: the voice is so fun. So we're going to encourage

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Speaker 2: you if you've given us a DM, how did just

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Speaker 2: do it as a talkback too? Just you know, download

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Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app. It's totally free. And then in the

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Speaker 2: Anyway, So all kinds of categories happening tonight. Whether there's

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Speaker 2: lots of things about Diddy, we have things about Coburger again,

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Speaker 2: the Menendez brothers.

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Speaker 2: tonight's the night to do it, because there's no screening

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Speaker 2: going on here whatsoever. You're right on the show immediately.

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Speaker 2: We can trade recipes crime. Yeah, if you have a

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Speaker 2: favorite recipe, we want to hear that too. So let's

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Speaker 2: start with our first talkback, Sam, what do you think

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Speaker 2: you're gonna surprise us or we we do know this

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Speaker 5: Him as he deserves, and he just show zero remorse

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, And Stephanie, you brought up Diddy since

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Speaker 2: Of the worst scenarios are all together in this one room.

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Speaker 2: So tensions are very high, the emotion is so high,

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Speaker 4: That, absolutely true. This is true crime. Tonight we are

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Speaker 4: on iHeartRadio. I'm Courtney Armstrong. I'm so lucky to be

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Speaker 4: here always with Body Moven and Stephanie Leidecker, and tonight

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Speaker 4: eighty to eight three, one crime we do and thumbs up,

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Speaker 4: a talkback. Right on the iHeartRadio app upper right hand corner,

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Speaker 4: Press the red microphone and you're on the show. So, Boddy,

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Speaker 4: you had mentioned the penal system, Yes, and I wanted.

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Speaker 4: Did you have an update on what's going on with

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Speaker 4: Brian Coburger?

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Speaker 5: he's been convicted of murdering for students, University of Idaho students,

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Speaker 5: and he's reportedly having a very difficult time in prison.

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Speaker 5: And we've got two more updates on kind of what's

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Speaker 5: been happening. He TMZ obtained the Idaho Department of Correction

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Speaker 5: that he's been launching, and previously in late July, Coburger

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Speaker 5: the J Block with Chet Dabel Chat Dabell's on this

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Speaker 5: inmates occupy you know, a single cell. They're only allowed

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Speaker 3: And we all know that Brian Coberger likes to shower.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 3: To read, even though I even love the I love

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Speaker 9: Hey, all, stuff from Bama again. Just y'all know how

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Speaker 4: That is such a great example also of why talkbacks

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Speaker 5: Wait, I want to hearing a tumbler and maybe maybe

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Speaker 10: Sam Alia in British Columbia, Canada again And I just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, serious, keep those talkbacks coming, you see another example

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Speaker 5: This is true current tonight on iHeartRadio, where we're talking

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Speaker 7: Hi, I'm just listening to the episode about the CTEs

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Speaker 7: I am just listening to the episode about the CTEs,

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Speaker 3: Get lost in the sauce.

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Speaker 7: Love you, Taha, Love you all by Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Speaking of CTZ. Did you guys hear about this Mark

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Speaker 5: but I'm I do know that he's a football player

439
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Speaker 5: and there was some kind of altercation in the parking

440
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Speaker 5: lot or over a parking space of some of some kind.

441
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Speaker 5: In that this the victim has been like knifed like

442
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Speaker 5: in his face, and he's suing, uh, Mark Sanchez, and

443
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Speaker 5: I believe maybe even his team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not great.

445
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Speaker 2: You know, the reports are are pretty bad about this one.

446
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 2: And there's also there's there's video. There's tape of him,

447
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,199
Speaker 2: meaning Mark Sanchez. So basically the story goes, he was

448
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 2: out and about. He had been to a bar or

449
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 2: a restaurant, and according to the victim, who was I

450
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 2: believe a truck driver and I'm just kind of spitfiring

451
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Speaker 2: this now, he was exiting and leaving in Mark Sanchez,

452
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Speaker 2: who had been drinking you know, at the bar or

453
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 2: wherever I guess, wanted to get in his vehicle and

454
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 2: then the driver of that vehicle was like no, and

455
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Speaker 2: it kind of turned into an altercation. The driver was

456
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Speaker 2: a sixty nine year old They keep saying that on repeat,

457
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Speaker 2: like he was sixty nine, he was fearful for his

458
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 2: life and Sanchez was blocking him from both moving or

459
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 2: for signaling for help. And that led into this the

460
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Speaker 2: stabbing situation where Mark Sanchez definitely got stabbed, and now

461
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Speaker 2: it appears that the victim is really fighting back hard.

462
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 2: Here he's still in the hospital, Mark Sanchez, but will

463
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Speaker 2: be arrested for it. And oh, he's in the house.

464
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Speaker 2: It's not looking great. It's not looking super great.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know that, and he's going to be charged

466
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Speaker 4: with felony battery. And you're so correct, Stephanie, that it

467
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 4: does keep getting repeated that he was almost seventy. You know,

468
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Speaker 4: he's sixty nine years old. He also was five at

469
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 4: eight about one hundred and sixty five pounds. So Mark Sanchez,

470
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 4: former NFL quarterback, if you weren't aware, he's six foot two,

471
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 4: two thirty five and he is in some trouble and

472
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Speaker 4: also not giving a not giving a good name to

473
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Speaker 4: my Trojans either.

474
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Speaker 3: And we don't know that he has a CT.

475
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Speaker 5: I should mention that I think it might be something

476
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Speaker 5: that might be a play here a little bit right,

477
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Speaker 5: Like I don't think that it's been confirmed that he

478
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 5: has a ct but you know, we've been talking about

479
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 5: them lately because of the Manhattan shooting cushions. Yes, and

480
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 5: you know Aaron Hernandez we talked about a little bit

481
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 5: and it's a really tragic situation that these sports guys

482
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Speaker 5: go through, right and women.

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Speaker 3: And is it possible that we'll learn he has a CTE?

484
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Speaker 4: Well, body, just to underline what you said about, we

485
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 4: do not know if he does. Guess what, neither would

486
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 4: he because in this moment in time, you can literally

487
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 4: only diagnose to definitively having a CTE through a brain

488
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 4: autopsy after death.

489
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I didn't know that, is that true?

490
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 5: That's true now, So they do some kind of during autopsy,

491
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 5: they examine the brain and they correct. Oh, maybe if

492
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 5: you talk to Joseph about that, I'd like to learn

493
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Speaker 5: more about that.

494
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Speaker 4: We should because researchers there developing clinical criteria, to developing

495
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 4: biomarkers to diagnose it during life. Wow, and you can

496
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Speaker 4: make a doctors may make a tentative diagnosis based on

497
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Speaker 4: the history of head trauma and mood changes and cognitive decline.

498
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Speaker 3: But no, that's one of those that's only.

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Speaker 2: Wow death, Well, the thing about the Mark Sanchez thing too.

500
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Speaker 2: And by the way, if you're just joining us, it's

501
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Speaker 2: talk about Tuesday listening to true Crime tonight jump in

502
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Speaker 2: eight eight eight three one crime. So Mark Sanchez also,

503
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Speaker 2: you know, I think he's thirty five years old. He's

504
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 2: now a commentator for Fox Sports. He's really beloved too.

505
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Speaker 2: So you know, so many of his former teammates and

506
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 2: friends and colleagues have really spoken out. And this is

507
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Speaker 2: very unusual and very unlike him and very surprising. And

508
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 2: is it possible that this was just a really bad

509
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Speaker 2: night for Mark Sanchez. He went out, maybe got a

510
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: little boozy, allegedly, allegedly allegedly, and you know, one thing

511
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: went to another, and now he could be doing some

512
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: serious time even.

513
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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh scary.

514
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Speaker 5: Well anyway, I didn't mean to bring the bring the

515
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 5: tone down, but we had mentioned, yeah, I talk about

516
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 5: mentioned it and the story that I had read a

517
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 5: couple of days ago about Mark Sanchez, and oh, how sad.

518
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Speaker 4: And it's Fox who's also being sued because Mark Sanchez

519
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 4: works for Fox as a commentator responsible for this. Well,

520
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 4: what he's stipulating, he or his attorneys who are representing him,

521
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Speaker 4: I don't know, but it's saying that the company knew

522
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 4: or should have known about his unfitness as an employee,

523
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 4: propensity for drinking and or harmful conduct.

524
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Speaker 3: That's a quote that is not what I am saying.

525
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 4: And yeah, I have no knowledge of whether he drinks

526
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 4: or not and how he is as an employee. Right,

527
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 4: But that's the rationale And the answer is why are

528
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 4: he and the attorneys It's because Fox has a lot

529
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 4: of cash, right, Yeah, Like that's.

530
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Speaker 2: A little bit of there has to be more to

531
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Speaker 2: that game. Also, So if somebody misbehaves out of the

532
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: office and they're you know, out and about and drunken

533
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Speaker 2: and get into a bar fight, which happens.

534
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Speaker 3: And it could just be that, right, Like, it could

535
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 3: just be a bad night.

536
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 2: Right, So is your employer therefore on the hook when

537
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 2: you were not doing anything on employee time.

538
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Speaker 4: I can't imagine we should actually make a note to

539
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 4: see about case law.

540
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Speaker 3: But I believe you're free to.

541
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Speaker 4: Add whomever you want to a lawsuit and assuing I'm

542
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 4: not purporting this, but suing a really big company. It's

543
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 4: a lot less expensive generally if you can make it

544
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 4: go away quicker and put it will settle, right, exactly

545
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 4: pay out a little money versus Fox having to represent

546
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 4: themselves and being drowned in depositions Like I don't even

547
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 4: know if you know this body. I worked for a

548
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 4: lawyer for two years and part of my job was

549
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 4: I would read and synopsize depositions, and one of the

550
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 4: UC well, it's interesting, see but these depots were many

551
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 4: hundreds of pages each and thousands of dollars right, oh, absolutely,

552
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Speaker 4: But one of the cases we were working on included Viacom,

553
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 4: and so all of these big wigs at Viabcom, Sumner

554
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 4: Redstone and just all of these people. So the amount

555
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 4: of money it takes to defend yourself in a lawsuit.

556
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Speaker 3: And your company's expensive, no doubt. I still don't.

557
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Speaker 2: I still think there has to be more too that

558
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: I'd be curious to do a deep dive. It seems

559
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: like Fox Sports could be suing Sanchez for making them

560
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: look bad for him being out and about getting into

561
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Speaker 2: a stabbing fight in the streets of Indianapolis.

562
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Speaker 3: But who am I to say?

563
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Speaker 2: And also worth noting, Mark Sanchez's family has also come

564
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: out and they support him, so of course, and you know,

565
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: hopefully everybody is going to be okay. But you know,

566
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Speaker 2: for the victim, that must have been extremely scary.

567
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

568
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Speaker 5: And I saw after the app there was a video

569
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Speaker 5: like surveying, like CCTV of him walking down the street.

570
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Speaker 3: And his shirt it's just got blood all over it. Yeah,

571
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 3: he was like swaying almost. Yeah. So why is he

572
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 3: in the hospital?

573
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Speaker 12: Do you know?

574
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 3: Because he guts stabbed? Stabbed? Got Yeah?

575
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Speaker 5: Oh wait a minute. I okay, So I thought the

576
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 5: victim was the only one who got stabbed. He actually

577
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 5: got stabbed to.

578
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Speaker 3: Self defense.

579
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Speaker 5: Oh, oh my god, both stab each other.

580
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Speaker 3: Yes, I think the driver feared for his life that well.

581
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean if some football player is like coming

582
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Speaker 5: at me with a knife, I would be or even

583
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 5: their fists, I might pull out a pocket knife and

584
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 5: oh they got away from me.

585
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Speaker 3: Oh now I'm getting stabbed. Oh I can totally see

586
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 3: that happening. That's cool. Oh my goodness.

587
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: And you think about it had he just stayed home

588
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: that day, or if the flight were later, or or

589
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: or if like the car service didn't come and pick

590
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Speaker 2: you up on time, Like right, I just.

591
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Speaker 5: A terrible sliding door when something happens and like I'm

592
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 5: I'm late for work and it's a red light.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, but then I'm like, oh, there's got

594
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 3: to be a reason. There might be a real ago

595
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Speaker 3: home being delayed.

596
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Speaker 2: And yes, it is talked back tuesday, and we are

597
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: busting through as many as we possibly can.

598
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Speaker 3: So without further ado, let's go to the next one.

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Speaker 13: Hi, I'm just thinking about this David case. Like I

600
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 13: understand that they might not have enough evidence to arrest him,

601
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Speaker 13: but like, why is he not being named.

602
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Speaker 3: As just like a person of interest?

603
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Speaker 13: There's so much evidence and yeah, I'm really just like

604
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 13: frustrated and confused with that.

605
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

606
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 5: Fair, I mean it is fair. I mean it is

607
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 5: his car that she was found in. And you know,

608
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Speaker 5: if what we're reading is true on the internet, you know,

609
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 5: it's possible that they had some kind of relationship. Whether

610
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Speaker 5: it was romantic or you know, friend.

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Speaker 3: We don't know.

612
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 5: But why hasn't he been named a person of interest

613
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Speaker 5: in you know what? We don't know that he hasn't

614
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Speaker 5: really been right. I mean, the police don't really have

615
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 5: to tell us if he is.

616
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 4: Yet right, but officially hasn't been because this has not

617
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Speaker 4: been deemed a homicide. If it's not a homicide, then

618
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 4: there's no person of interest in the homicide, right. I

619
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 4: know it's semantics, but it's I mean that's I do.

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Speaker 2: Think there's more to it, though than that coordinate, because

621
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Speaker 2: there are examples of people being named persons of interest

622
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Speaker 2: or frankly even being identified as the lead suspect without

623
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Speaker 2: toxicology and things being back in time. So that's happened honestly,

624
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: right or wrong, many, many, many times. I'd like to

625
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 2: think that maybe there's a real reason that David has

626
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: not been identified publicly.

627
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 3: I think he'd be a.

628
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: Sure thing, and if there were real, real evidence that

629
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Speaker 2: would hold him, I think they would have jumped onto it,

630
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: to be honest. So yes, while it might not be

631
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Speaker 2: deemed a homicide, maybe they would have gotten him on

632
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Speaker 2: something else, or a smaller charge, or a statutory rape

633
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: or something like that, if there were things that were

634
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Speaker 2: possibly able to keep him behind bars until toxicology came back.

635
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Speaker 3: Because think about it.

636
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Speaker 2: Regardless of the toxicology report, if there was a fear

637
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Speaker 2: that David the pop star was a danger to society,

638
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: I don't know that they would allow him to roam free.

639
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: So I have to assume that there's more to it

640
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: that we just don't know, and that there's a reason

641
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: that he hasn't been identified. I wonder. I don't know

642
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: the answer. This is not definitive, but I'm curious. That's

643
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: my gut on it. And I totally you though, Courtney,

644
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: because it's true, it is not technically a homicide. But

645
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: I can probably think of four cases top of head

646
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: where that didn't matter in the past, or that this

647
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: person was held on other charges, which there have been

648
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: other things surrounding this case that is causing a lot

649
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Speaker 2: of the speculation that I would also think they would

650
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Speaker 2: have brought him in for.

651
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Speaker 11: Guys, I have a quick question, and I'm curious because

652
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Speaker 11: everyone thinks David totally did it because of like his

653
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 11: music and it kind of like there's a connections, like

654
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Speaker 11: how do you guys feel about the whole Like, oh, well,

655
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Speaker 11: it's in his lyrics.

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00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 3: It's in his music.

657
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Speaker 11: That's proof when if we not okay good?

658
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Speaker 3: Because I was curious.

659
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 5: Those songs came out like a long time ago, right,

660
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 5: like they're not you know, it's not listen, how monumentally

661
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 5: stupid would you have to be to write a song about,

662
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 5: you know, killing your girlfriend and then killing her in

663
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 5: the exact same way that you wrote about right.

664
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Speaker 2: Although it is a weird requincidence, is it possible he's

665
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: being framed?

666
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: He maybe?

667
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it seems like there's it's also a bit

668
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 2: of a leap to assume that that the lyrics and

669
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: the actual murder are pretty similar, Like, what are the

670
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: odds of that eerie coincidence?

671
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 3: Let's call it that.

672
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 2: But is it also possible that maybe he's being framed

673
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: by somebody who knows Hm, those lyrics are going to

674
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,959
Speaker 2: be eventually connected to this case. Hey, by the way,

675
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: I have access to his vehicle. Hey, by the way,

676
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: I maybe know more to this story. So I'm going

677
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 2: to set up David to take the fall. I don't

678
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 2: I'm so spitfile, you know, spitfiring here. But I feel

679
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: like there's a reason he hasn't been named. And I

680
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: went through the same thing as our caller. I was like,

681
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: why is this allowed? And I was so worked up

682
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: over it? And then yes, we all kind of discussed

683
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: that maybe it was like a Hollywood case and they

684
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 2: were being extra buttoned up because they knew the scrutiny

685
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: this case would be under, you know, beautiful select to

686
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: reave us, you know, was laid to rest just yesterday

687
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: and again.

688
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 3: Our family, her family is you know, so loved.

689
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 2: Our listeners are saying this all that's time, right, So

690
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: we're all in that. We we really are grieving for

691
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: the family, right. But I worry that we may be

692
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 2: too quick to judgment on us.

693
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 4: Well Sarah, who sent us a DM. Thank you Sarah.

694
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 4: Here's her sentiment. I'm worried. I'm worried people are jumping

695
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 4: to conclusions about David, and that's so dangerous. Why didn't

696
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 4: he quote find her? Maybe they broke up and he

697
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 4: fell out of contact while he was gone. All the

698
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 4: stuff about the tesla, maybe he loaned that to Celeste

699
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 4: and his phone wasn't the primary key, maybe hers was.

700
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 3: Also, why hasn't he said anything?

701
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 4: Obviously the lawyers have shushed him, and that's smart of them,

702
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 4: even though she was young. We can't hang him out

703
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 4: to dry without these details. I would like to say

704
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 4: I did not write this. This is a DM from Sarah.

705
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 3: Wow, Sarah and I kind of agree.

706
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: I mean, until further notice, there isn't enough to sink

707
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 2: our teeth into I mean, listen, his cour was canceled,

708
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: he's not on the road. But if David is, you know,

709
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: murdering young girls and shoving them in trunks. Then I

710
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: feel like that would make him a danger to the

711
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 2: town and the land in all of Los Angeles for

712
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 2: that matter, frankly the world, or he'd be a flight risk.

713
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 2: And I don't know that law enforcement would take that risk.

714
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 5: I guess we'll have to wait and see and you know,

715
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 5: and to address the specific points of this.

716
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 3: This DM from Sarah, and by the way, Sarah, thank

717
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 3: you for that DM. It's really good.

718
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 5: It says maybe they broke up and he fell out

719
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 5: of contact while he was gone.

720
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 3: Well, and if you.

721
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 5: Look at the timeline and you know the timeline, you

722
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,479
Speaker 5: know that David was you know, he started his tour

723
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 5: on August fifth, and if the timeline is what it is,

724
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 5: you know she was likely put in the trunk around

725
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 5: that time. So it is possible that you know, this

726
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 5: happened while he was gone, because the next day, in

727
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 5: August sixth, he went to Phoenix and then kind of

728
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 5: started branching out from there. And then the other point

729
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 5: is all all the stuff about the tesla, Maybe he

730
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 5: loaned it to Celeste and his phone wasn't the primary key,

731
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 5: maybe hers was, perhaps, but she's fourteen years old.

732
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 3: I mean, she doesn't.

733
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 5: You don't dry to a fourteen year old, so I

734
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 5: and you know it. Let's but let's live in a

735
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 5: world where that's true. Like, hey, you know, I'm breaking

736
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 5: all these laws by being in a relationship with you.

737
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 5: What's one more thing in giving my car? How does

738
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 5: she get in the trunk in a bag?

739
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 3: Is it possible that.

740
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: Let's just you know, going on that same theory, because

741
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 2: that does kind of resonate a little bit. You know, again,

742
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: people may have thought that she was older than fourteen

743
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 2: years old, so she did appear she looked older.

744
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: Well his friends and that she thought they thought she

745
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 3: was a USC student. Yeah, that she was nineteen years old.

746
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: And by the way, you know, I probably drove at

747
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: fourteen at some point, you know, I don't know, don't

748
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: you know. Let's know, we're grading on a curve here

749
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: on these memories. But you know, look at you know,

750
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 2: just go there for a second. So, Yeah, he lends

751
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 2: her his vehicle, knowing that he's going to be out

752
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: of town for a bit.

753
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 3: She takes him up on it. Maybe she goes and

754
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 3: is rooffeed.

755
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: Maybe she goes and they're partying and there's drugs there,

756
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: and something nefarious happens and they're like, oh, shoot, what

757
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: are we going to do with you know, Celeste's body,

758
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: So oh, let's throw her in her own trunk and

759
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 2: then that'll get linked to David. We're out of here.

760
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,959
Speaker 2: Maybe it was a bunch of random people. Who knows. Yeah,

761
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: but I do know her family needs answers. I mean,

762
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: period the end, exclamation point, right, But.

763
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 5: Thank you for that talkback, Sarah. Really what really thought out,

764
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 5: really well done. It's our absolutely m I should say

765
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Speaker 5: we appreciate it.

766
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is true Crime Tonight.

767
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 4: We're on iHeartRadio and I'm Courtney here with Body and Stephanie.

768
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 4: It's talk Back Tuesday, and we were just responding to

769
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 4: a talk back and DM on the David and Celes

770
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 4: revs case. And I think we have some on the

771
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 4: Menendez brothers that have been there for a minute. Okay,

772
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 4: do you let's see Cricket who I feel like we've

773
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 4: heard from Cricket before, unless there's more than one.

774
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 3: Oh, I love Cricket.

775
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 9: I know.

776
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 4: Yes, Sam's nodding vigorously regarding the Menendez brothers. I understand

777
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 4: the thought that their actions were quote understandable given the

778
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 4: abuse they endured, they still made the decision to take

779
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 4: the lives of two people. I do not believe vigilante

780
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 4: justice should be rewarded. I am a sexual abuse survivor.

781
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 4: I could have made a similar decision, but instead I

782
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 4: have gone into the field of social work in order

783
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 4: to help others process their past and live productive lives.

784
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 3: I'm not sure I believe they should be parolled. M.

785
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 4: Well, that's a thought provoking an informed DM cricket.

786
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're so sorry, and yeah, you're an angel and

787
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 3: talk about taking your pain and making it your purpose.

788
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 3: You know, that is the most admirable thing. And by

789
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 3: the way, you're not alone in that.

790
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 2: I can't tell you honestly, Like sometimes the breakthrough comes

791
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: from the breakdown, right, you know, that is just the

792
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: reality of it. And you know, to your point, the

793
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: Menandez brothers suffered really unspeakable, unspeakable things, but they too

794
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: were not alone. So does every single person who is

795
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: the victim of something unspeakable have the free reigns to murder?

796
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 3: It's complicated.

797
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, And we have another DM and this one's from

798
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 5: Jess and I think it kind of goes into what

799
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 5: you were saying, there, Stephanie, have.

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Speaker 3: Something reader very quickly.

801
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 5: This is from Jess in analysis of the Menandaz Brothers.

802
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 5: It's often mentioned we always go back to release everyone

803
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 5: who's been abused, and do they get extra attention due

804
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 5: to the media shows.

805
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: I feel like the conversation.

806
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 5: Shouldn't be does everyone who was abused get free? And

807
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 5: it should be how do we give everyone the access

808
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 5: to information to give them a fair shot at advocating

809
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 5: for themselves? Thanks Jess, jes Man so well said that

810
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 5: gave me a chill. She's so right, really good. Yeah,

811
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 5: that is so that's so right, Because she's right. I

812
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 5: have been saying, oh, you know, just because they've been

813
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 5: in shows like you know, there's if you look at

814
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 5: the prison system, I'm sure probably a third, if not more,

815
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 5: of the men and women in prison have some sort

816
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 5: of abuse history. They have a story, right, they have

817
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 5: some kind of backstory, maybe similar to the Meninda's brothers.

818
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 5: Why aren't they getting the same shots that the Menanda's

819
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 5: brothers are getting?

820
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 3: And just is right? That shouldn't be the conversation.

821
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 5: It should be, Okay, they can advocate for themselves, how

822
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 5: do we get everybody else to advocate for themselves.

823
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,439
Speaker 3: I think that's right, and I don't know the answer

824
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 3: to that, and let's.

825
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 2: Have that conversation. Yeah, it's a good starter. Bring it.

826
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 5: Is it better internet access to the prison so you know,

827
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 5: is it more resources for counseling while they're in prison,

828
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 5: because the point of prison. In prison is rehabilitation, right,

829
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 5: that's the point of prison. If we're just shoving them

830
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 5: in there to fight each other, that's not really a rehabilitation, right.

831
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Speaker 4: I don't know that everyone agrees with you, Boddy. Actually

832
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 4: I know many people who wouldn't agree with you. Okay,

833
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 4: that's that that's what prison should be. I agree with you,

834
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 4: I think it should be, but I certainly know what

835
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 4: what do you think.

836
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: I think it is?

837
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 9: Oh?

838
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 3: Punishment? Yeah, oh yeah, I'm sure period the end. Oh okay.

839
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 5: See, I look at rehabilitation first and then punishment second.

840
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 5: Obviously you need to be punished for your crimes, but

841
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 5: you can be punished and rehabilitated at the same time.

842
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 3: I think that's why I have to agree. Otherwise, what

843
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 3: are we doing.

844
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: We're just punishing and then releasing, punishing, releasing, and then

845
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: the problem continues and maybe to add to Jess's point,

846
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: maybe the real question is, and maybe we're doing it

847
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: just by virtue of this conversation a little bit, is

848
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: have the conversation of getting the tools prior to committing

849
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 2: the act. Right, So listen, nobody is immune to some

850
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 2: of these awful things. It's really heart wrenching and it's

851
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: it's not okay period period. However, if you find yourself

852
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 2: in this situation as a victim, you know, what are

853
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 2: the tools and how can a person move forward without them?

854
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 3: Right?

855
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 2: So, maybe having that decision to murder or to commit

856
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: a crime because of what's been done to you might

857
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: be taken off the table. And I don't that's a

858
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: big esoteric question I recognize, but I'd love for us

859
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 2: to effort to at least keep the conversation about it moving.

860
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would too. I think it's I'm learning a lot,

861
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 5: like especially when we have like just on too about

862
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 5: counseling and how to advocate for yourself. And it kind

863
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 5: of goes into what this Jess was saying, Oh my god,

864
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 5: their book named Jess. Yeah, is it just Caplin?

865
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 3: Is it just?

866
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 9: Is he just?

867
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 5: But you know, in talking to Jess Kaplan, who is

868
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 5: you know, the licensed therapist that we have on Jess

869
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 5: knows best right learning in talking to her, I have

870
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 5: learned so many tools. I'm still on a waiting list

871
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 5: to see a therapist. I'm still on a waiting list.

872
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 5: It's been I think six months. I'm very very sorry

873
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Speaker 5: for that, and I wish.

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Speaker 4: It's I wish that also wasn't as common as it is.

875
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry for you personally, and I'm sorry for this.

876
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Speaker 5: I'm okay, but imagine if I was suffering from some

877
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Speaker 5: kind of trauma and I needed to talk to somebody,

878
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 5: like it's crazy. I feel like we need a national,

879
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 5: national push for people to become therapists and go to

880
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Speaker 5: school to be you know, could become therapists because I

881
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Speaker 5: think we have a shortage in this country.

882
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Speaker 2: Or we all have to just be able to hear

883
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Speaker 2: each other's stories and even if they're very different from

884
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: each other, and that we become a safe space for

885
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Speaker 2: each other to share.

886
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 3: We do not heal alone.

887
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes just sharing your story does the trick, and then

888
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 2: you realize the next person's like, oh my goodness, me too.

889
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Speaker 3: I see this all day.

890
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have lived it firsthand myself, and you know,

891
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: we're all works in progress, myself specifically included, so there's

892
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Speaker 2: no claim to fame here of greatness by any means,

893
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Speaker 2: but I do know I have the luxury of talking

894
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Speaker 2: to you guys, and you know big everybody has that,

895
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Speaker 2: so please you know eight eight eight three one crime

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Speaker 2: Safe space.

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Speaker 4: That's right, Well, stick around True Crime Tonight. At the

898
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Speaker 4: top of the hour. Week are continuing with your talk

899
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Speaker 4: backs and everything else to come. We have Ebstein and

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Speaker 4: more true Crime tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We've been talking

902
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanieleidecker here with Courtney Armstrong.

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Speaker 2: Body move in and listen. If you've missed any of

904
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: the first hour of the show, it is no problem.

905
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 2: You could always catch us after as a podcast. By

906
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 2: the way, thank you for downloading the podcast. You know,

907
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: the numbers have been really extraordinary and we really really

908
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Speaker 2: appreciate the support.

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Speaker 3: So so thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: And also if you're listening live, please call us eight

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Speaker 2: eight eight.

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Speaker 3: Three one Crime. We just love to hear your voice.

913
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Speaker 2: But we have been getting some great dms too, so

914
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Speaker 2: we're going to try to get through as many as

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Speaker 2: possible Tonight because it's talked Back Tuesday, So let's start

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Speaker 2: with our next talkback Sam.

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Speaker 3: Hey, this is Jeff calling from Connecticut.

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Speaker 11: I love listening to your show, and you do such

919
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 11: a good job of explaining all the stories.

920
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 5: Whenever I listen, I wonder how each of you individually

921
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 5: became so interested in true crime.

922
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 8: I would love to hear your story.

923
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Speaker 9: Thanks.

924
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Speaker 3: What a great caller from the Numbings State. Thanks Jeff.

925
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Speaker 3: The Nutmeg State? Is that what? Connecticut is a Nutmeg state?

926
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's both the connect Yes, it's the Nutmeg State.

927
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Speaker 4: And then also I think it's specifically Hartford, where I

928
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 4: went to college, is the insurance capital of the country.

929
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Speaker 4: There's like more insurance companies. Is this very sexy stuff?

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Speaker 3: Listen? That is the most boring states for Connecticut. Connecticut

931
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Speaker 3: kids are fun. I went to Yukon, so I feel

932
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,959
Speaker 3: particularly close to all Connecticut. Yeah, I've never been there.

933
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Speaker 3: Go Huskies. Who wants to start? Go you? Okay? How

934
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: did I get into two crime?

935
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Speaker 4: Started reading a lot of books when I was in

936
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Speaker 4: high school because my mom was into Dominic Dunn and

937
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 4: sort of the more scandalous versions, and then that led

938
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 4: me to serial killers et cetera, and I got very

939
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 4: interested in the books left it aside, but I really

940
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Speaker 4: plowed through a lot of books for a lot of years.

941
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Speaker 4: And then it was working at each True Hollywood Story,

942
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Speaker 4: and they decided when I was there, to bring back

943
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 4: the two hour investigative shows. And my job was not

944
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 4: to work on the individual shows, it was to work

945
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Speaker 4: on the series as a whole.

946
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Speaker 3: And so that just meant I got to do really

947
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Speaker 3: deep research before.

948
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Speaker 4: Things turned into shows. And I got pretty compelled.

949
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Speaker 5: Yet that would be such a fun job. I would

950
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Speaker 5: love that kind of job. That would be like research.

951
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, you would love that.

952
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would love that.

953
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Speaker 5: So I grew up my mom was a true grand fan.

954
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Speaker 5: Like it sounds kind of crazy, but my mom would

955
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 5: read these books and they always had like these really

956
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 5: like terrible pictures in the middle of them. And I

957
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 5: don't know why, but my curiosity just I couldn't. I couldn't.

958
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 5: I wanted to learn about this stuff. I was from

959
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 5: a little kid. And then you know, she would watch

960
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 5: you know what was it Unsolved Mysteries and we would

961
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Speaker 5: all sit under the afghan, you know, the seventies style,

962
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Speaker 5: and eat our popcorn and watch unsolved mysteries.

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Speaker 3: And then.

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Speaker 5: A Paradise Loss came out, which is of course about

965
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 5: the West Memphis three and I was like, oh my god,

966
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 5: this is like horrible.

967
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 3: I need to find out more. And then it just

968
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Speaker 3: kind of snowball from there.

969
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Speaker 5: And then of course Luca Mgnada and Don't uf with

970
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Speaker 5: Cats came out and I got some attention on me,

971
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Speaker 5: and here I am really that's it. I've just always

972
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 5: kind of been fascinated by. You know, what I'm really

973
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 5: interested in when it comes to your crime is that

974
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Speaker 5: I'm really interested about the science about how people get caught,

975
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Speaker 5: how do you get caught doing really bad things? And

976
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Speaker 5: I'm really interested in that science part of it. And

977
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Speaker 5: then I'm also really interested in the psyche of people

978
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Speaker 5: that you know, commit atros atrocious murders, like just insane,

979
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Speaker 5: crazy murderers. I'm not talking about like the passionate you know,

980
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Speaker 5: you're getting a fight with your boyfriend and you kill them.

981
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Speaker 5: I'm talking about the planned mass murder, serial killer.

982
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Speaker 4: I'm just fascinated, see, And I would say I'm probably

983
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Speaker 4: the polar opposite because I am very compelled by what

984
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Speaker 4: brings a quote ordinary person and what you're saying not

985
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 4: in a one moment fit of rage, although those two

986
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Speaker 4: and just thinking what circumstances brought people into that circumstance

987
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Speaker 4: where someone ends up dead and.

988
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Speaker 5: Somebody that's very fascinating too, for sure. Yeah, and incredibly.

989
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Speaker 4: Earlier you had said, Stephanie, about how do we sort

990
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Speaker 4: of help people where murder isn't the big option on

991
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Speaker 4: the table, And it's always really interesting to me, like,

992
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 4: especially when planning is involved. How did that become that

993
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 4: that was your best idea of how to solve whatever

994
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 4: problem you were in anyway, Stephanie.

995
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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I have sort of a backward way

996
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: into it. I was always working in content and documentaries

997
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: and making TV shows and have always just been somebody

998
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 2: who watched all of it.

999
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 3: If it was a dateline, whatever it was, I've seen

1000
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 3: it all.

1001
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 2: I watched all the forensics files, the unsolved mysteries. So

1002
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 2: I'm just coming at it from an audience member. I'm

1003
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: personally really into the justice part of it and the

1004
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 2: sliding doors to your point of what were the circumstances

1005
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 2: that could have been avoided? You know, sometimes you know,

1006
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: a crime is really just a perfect storm that people

1007
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 2: saw come in and like so in retrospect, in hindsight,

1008
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: when sometimes we look at cases that are not in

1009
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 2: our lives. You know, it's really easy for all of

1010
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: us to look at a case from an outsider looking

1011
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 2: in and see, oh, there was a red flag there.

1012
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 3: That's the moment that they maybe should have shut.

1013
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: The door or or or or you know, sometimes in

1014
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,760
Speaker 2: our own life it's a little harder to see that stuff.

1015
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 2: So it gives us an objective look at things that

1016
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 2: have extremely high stakes. And I think grief is something

1017
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 2: that's really connects people, honestly, So I think it's a

1018
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 2: way for people to heal together and also to identify,

1019
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 2: you know, ways that we can keep each other safe.

1020
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Speaker 3: I like that.

1021
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Speaker 5: You know what I'm really interested in you guys. I

1022
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 5: want to know how you got into true crime. Give

1023
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 5: us a call eighty eight thirty one crime. What's your

1024
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 5: origin story?

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Speaker 14: Like?

1026
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 3: Why are you listening?

1027
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 6: What?

1028
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 3: What?

1029
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 5: What attracts you? Because like you know, when we go

1030
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 5: to crime come, we see all these women, it's just

1031
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 5: women after women.

1032
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 3: What is it?

1033
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 5: What is it about true crime that fascinates us and

1034
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 5: keeps us here? Give us a call eighty to eight

1035
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 5: thirty one crime, or leave us a talk back on

1036
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 5: the iHeartRadio LAP I really do want to know, you know.

1037
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 3: I have a feeling on this too.

1038
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 2: And this has been debated sometimes people say the true

1039
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: crime audience is like what's the word shot in for hour?

1040
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 3: What is it when you don't see.

1041
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 2: Somebody else's life and you're like, well, I guess you

1042
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: know life is good for me? Ha ha ha ha,

1043
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 2: And I hate that. I couldn't disagree more. I think,

1044
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 2: in large part, why the audience, except for Jeff from Connecticut,

1045
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 2: which we love, why there is such a strong female audiences.

1046
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of empathy involved, and it

1047
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: gives us all a place to watch and listen and

1048
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 2: hear other people's stories and with empathetic hearts wide open,

1049
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: kind of imagine what those circumstances would be, like what

1050
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 2: would you do in that situation? How would you handle

1051
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 2: it in that situation?

1052
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 3: And I think that's.

1053
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 2: Very powerful and you can kind of identify the who

1054
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 2: what wears whens without having to necessarily experience it for yourself.

1055
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 2: You know, again, we will make fun of me. I'm

1056
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 2: pretty impressionable, but I think I would survive the knife

1057
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 2: fight now because I feel like I have been a

1058
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 2: meshed in so many harrowing tales and with people that

1059
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 2: are extraordinary. And by the way, when you do and

1060
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 2: I've said this many many times, when you see somebody

1061
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: sit down for an interview who shares their most tramatic

1062
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: moment and has the ability and the wherewithal to brush

1063
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 2: their teeth and put their clothes on that day and

1064
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 2: come and sit down for an interview, it is incredibly inspiring,

1065
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 2: inspiring in a way I can't quite describe it, like

1066
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 2: your DNA changes a little bit each time. And I

1067
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 2: can say this I have done. I've been in more

1068
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 2: kitchen tables than most people throughout America, and I have

1069
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 2: done a lot of interviews and from all walks of

1070
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 2: life and scary scary people and happy people, sad people, tragedy,

1071
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 2: And I have never ever once walked away from an

1072
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 2: interview where I thought, can't figure that one out.

1073
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 3: That sucks. It's always like you have to hear from

1074
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 3: the person and you see the cards that have been

1075
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 3: dealt and it does make a lot of sense, even

1076
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 3: if the action is so wrong and deplorable, you're like, oh,

1077
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 3: kind of went off the rails on that one. Where

1078
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 3: did that left turn come? From.

1079
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Speaker 2: But like the totality of a person isn't just that

1080
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 2: one event, right, So what are the things that were

1081
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 2: or what we were missing or that weren't being talked

1082
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: about or being kept a secret or shame was keeping

1083
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 2: you from doing something else? And and and I think

1084
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 2: true crime can be really actionable in that regard. And

1085
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 2: I don't know That's why I like the community and

1086
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 2: the chit chat about it. It's not because we like

1087
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 2: talking crime, yeah we didn't. We just like talking to

1088
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 2: each other about important stuff.

1089
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Speaker 5: Yeah. And I don't think any of us take any

1090
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Speaker 5: pleasure in people's misfortune.

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Speaker 3: Like you know, I don't.

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00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 5: I used to get Sean front from watching like Jerry Springer,

1093
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 5: but not like true crime, you know what I mean?

1094
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 3: But like, did you guys work on Jerry.

1095
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 5: Springer that I worked on the Sally Jesse Rafaeh And

1096
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 5: you did, And so I take pleasure in that like

1097
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 5: watching people, because it was entertainment. But I don't look

1098
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 5: at you as true crime. True crime is like entertainment.

1099
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 5: I look at it more as you know, learning and

1100
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 5: a community and growing and and but I don't I

1101
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 5: definitely don't sit down and go Okay, let's watch you know,

1102
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 5: somebody get murdered today.

1103
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 3: I definitely know, and people sometimes have said that.

1104
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 2: I've seen that in articles, for example, and even at

1105
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 2: the Sally Jesse Raphael Show, the talk show that I

1106
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 2: worked at, it was really moving.

1107
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 3: I saw people like get it. You know sometimes when a.

1108
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 2: Person's on camera and then they either see themselves back

1109
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 2: they it clicks and or even if that seemed like

1110
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 2: a wild time of talk shows, people being brought together,

1111
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 2: maybe not the ones that are throwing chairs per se,

1112
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 2: but in other really real ways. I witnessed people's lives change, sure,

1113
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 2: really for the better. And you know, sometimes there's crazy

1114
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 2: stuff of course, and this was very early days, but

1115
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's something about people sharing their stories

1116
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: and other people allowing the space to hear other people's

1117
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 2: stories that can be really powerful.

1118
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that lets you know you're not alone to

1119
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 5: you might identify with that story.

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00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 3: Who doesn't. Yeah, that's important stuff. I like it.

1121
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 5: Thank you for that talk back by stuff that was

1122
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 5: very interesting. What have we gotten next there?

1123
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 3: Sam?

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00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 6: Okay, this is great from Utah again. And you have

1125
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 6: got to clear up this name thing for me once

1126
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 6: and for all, because it's driven me crazy. From the

1127
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 6: onset of this podcast, and it drives me crazy on

1128
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 6: the daily. So your segment, now, you guys are telling

1129
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 6: your stories and your name has confinused me from day one,

1130
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 6: Like it sounds like you guys are saying body, thank

1131
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 6: your body, the physical body. And I've even like thought

1132
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 6: that your guests and some things is confused by the

1133
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 6: name body moving, body movement.

1134
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 5: Uh okay, So yeah, it's body like your like your body,

1135
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 5: your your physical body. But it's it's from a song

1136
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 5: and it's called body Moven from the BC Boys. And

1137
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 5: it was an anonymous uh profile that I created to

1138
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 5: when we were investigating the Luca Mgnata situation where he

1139
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 5: was killing cats online and I had been using my

1140
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 5: my real name is Deanna, and I had been using

1141
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 5: my Deanna account to track him and whatnot, and I

1142
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 5: moved over to an anonymous account so that you know,

1143
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 5: my Facebook feed was my friends didn't see all those

1144
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 5: stupid stuff I was doing.

1145
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 3: And so I created another account.

1146
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 5: And then when I when I did the Netflix show

1147
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 5: Don't Have with Cats, they really ran with the body

1148
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 5: Moven pseudonyme, and so when when I do things now

1149
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 5: nobody knows who Diana is, But everybody knows who body

1150
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 5: Moving is, you know, in the true crime kind of sphere.

1151
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 5: So that's why I continue to use the body move

1152
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 5: and Moniker only because it's kind of like a stage name,

1153
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 5: even though I'm not like a famous person stage it's

1154
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 5: just kind of like what people how people, It's kind

1155
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 5: of it's my nickname, let's say that. And so when

1156
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 5: you hear people say body move in it's from the

1157
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 5: BC Boys song Body Moven, and it's just kind.

1158
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 3: Of I didn't know the BC Boys song body movement,

1159
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 3: what are you kidding shit sentiment? Yeah, No, I didn't

1160
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 3: know that until this very second. I just thought it

1161
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 3: was like everybody you always say you how you describe

1162
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 3: it as like I think everybody so body and that

1163
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 3: you're moving like you're moving on up or you're moving

1164
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,919
Speaker 3: to places and and and shaking and going.

1165
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 5: Now it's it's a BC Boys song, and I'm a

1166
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 5: huge BC Boys fan. I love the Boys, and that

1167
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 5: song happened to be playing when I was creating this account.

1168
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and so I just was like, okay, I'll

1169
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 5: just use body Moving and I spelled it kind of weird,

1170
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 5: and that's just kind of.

1171
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 3: Oh, that's so great. It's a new fun fact that

1172
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 3: I didn't know, So that's so riot. Yeah.

1173
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 4: I spent maybe two months of my life before our

1174
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 4: show launched, training myself how to pronounce your name. So

1175
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 4: because of the way it's written b A U d I,

1176
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 4: there's very few. I only lived in Queen's the first

1177
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 4: but pivotal ten years of my life, and then I

1178
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 4: moved to the beautiful net Make State, but somewheres and

1179
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 4: I would.

1180
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 3: Body, hey body, hey body.

1181
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 4: I couldn't stop doing it, so I would be walking

1182
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 4: around in my kitchen body moving, like just articulating so

1183
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 4: I can get it right.

1184
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 5: Just think of like if you're if you're dancing like

1185
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 5: we do during our commercial breaks, your body is moving right,

1186
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 5: So that's yeah, it's just body like your body, like

1187
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 5: everybody has a body.

1188
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 3: On, body moving spelling through me off, I know. Well,

1189
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 3: I had to.

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01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 5: Spell it weird because it needed to be a name

1191
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 5: and not you know, Facebook was different back then. This

1192
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 5: was like in twenty ten, okay, and you had to

1193
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 5: have like a name.

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01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 3: You couldn't be b O d Y. I had to

1195
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 3: be be a ud I. So I had to spell

1196
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 3: it weird, and it just kind of top off. Did you, Stephanie,

1197
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 3: have any interesting nicknames growing up? Only lie Deecker? Oh? Really,

1198
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 3: that's how most people would refer to me.

1199
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 5: I'm calling you now, what did you was a nickname?

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01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 3: They called me bones growing up because I was like

1201
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 3: very skinny. Oh did it bug you? Or was it fine?

1202
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 3: It bothered me?

1203
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1204
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 3: Fat, and didn't have to worry about it anymore. Call

1205
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 3: me Bones any day of the week.

1206
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 14: Yeah.

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01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 3: I do not take that back. I don't want I'm worry.

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01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 3: I'm perfect. Stay with us.

1209
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 4: This is a True Crime Tonight. It is talk Back Tuesday.

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01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 4: We are hearing from you. We are loving your talkbacks

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Speaker 4: and your d ms. Keep all of them coming, or

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01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 4: if you're listening live, give us a holler. Eight a

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01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 4: eighty three to one crime True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeart Radio. We've

1215
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 2: been talking true crime all the time. I'm Steph here

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01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 2: with Courtney and Body and Sam in the control room

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01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 2: and listen, we're a little drunk with power tonight because

1218
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 2: it's just us whoo and.

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01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 3: It's been really fun.

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01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 2: By the way, So we miss Utaha of course, and

1221
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 2: we miss you Adam, of course. We're just trying to

1222
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 2: hold down the fort on our own and keep those

1223
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 2: talkbacks coming.

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Speaker 3: Call us eight at eight to.

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Speaker 2: Three one crime, or we can go to one right now. Actually,

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Speaker 2: what's the talkback next? Sam Hi?

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Speaker 15: I am Steve from Matriie Louisiana. Last evening, you all

1228
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 15: mentioned how Fergie retracted her line denouncing Epstein because she

1229
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 15: owed him money allegedly, allegedly allegedly. Well, that reminds me

1230
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 15: of the powerful line from the movie Sound of Freedom.

1231
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 15: God's children are not for sale.

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01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 3: You are awesome.

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01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 15: Thank you for what you do.

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01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 3: I love him, You're awesome. I love God's children, not

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01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:52,919
Speaker 3: for zale.

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01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 4: I mean, Fergie seems to be a troublemaker in her

1237
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 4: own life. I feel like she may kind of a

1238
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 4: practice of stepping in it.

1239
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is.

1240
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 5: She was always a wild one right of the wrong family.

1241
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 5: She was like she didn't really conform right, so she

1242
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 5: didn't kind of like.

1243
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 2: She was married to Andrew, remember she was bestdies with

1244
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 2: Diana and she had that whole tongue like that toe

1245
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 2: sucking incident where sure did sucking on another man's toe

1246
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 2: and paparazzi caught that. By the way, talk about different

1247
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 2: times like if that was the worst of it. The

1248
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 2: things that we see now, I mean, her literally sucking

1249
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 2: on a man's toe was world news.

1250
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 3: It really was.

1251
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 5: It was on the front page of like the Star

1252
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 5: and the Enquirer and like us.

1253
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Yeah, so but yeah, it's a funny thing.

1254
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 2: What were you going to say, Courtney?

1255
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 4: Okay, So I was trying to place it, so I

1256
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,439
Speaker 4: very quickly did a little search. But I can tell

1257
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 4: you that as recent as August eighteenth, there was a

1258
01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 4: huge thing in the Daily Mail. In one year or ago,

1259
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 4: the inside story of Sarah Ferguson's quote hoe sucking scandal.

1260
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, Andrew Lowney.

1261
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 4: Reveals pictures of the Duchess with her financial advisor lover,

1262
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 4: and it talks about her rubbin lotion on his bald

1263
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 4: head and she's topless.

1264
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 3: But fifty five page spread of those pictures.

1265
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 2: WHOA fifty five pages A is not easy to be

1266
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 2: stopped by popul patsy. Now, so look, I'm going to

1267
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 2: read a DM. Oh yeah, you're going to read Okay,

1268
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 2: I'm going.

1269
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 3: To read it.

1270
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 2: I had practice to was one in advance. But it's

1271
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 2: a good one and I can't wait to talk about it.

1272
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 2: So this is a direct quote from it's about Epstein,

1273
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 2: and this is from Tanja, and she's asking via DM,

1274
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 2: so you guys were discussing Epstein and his island. I

1275
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,439
Speaker 2: haven't been quote on the island, but I have been

1276
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 2: by the island a few times on my vacation.

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01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 3: Oh last year.

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01:04:55,680 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 2: She actually I actually snorkeled around it, but I didn't

1279
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 2: know at the time that this was the island. Felt

1280
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 2: a little lucky yucky after I found out. But I

1281
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 2: wanted to send you a few pictures, and she sent

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01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 2: us a few photos.

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01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 5: They which are such pictures. By the way, right, I

1284
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 5: had I had never seen it. I had never really

1285
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 5: looked it up, so I had never really seen it.

1286
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 5: For whatever reason, it's so much more normal than I imagined.

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01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is it does. It looks

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01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 2: a little bit like paradise. It has an American flag.

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01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 2: It looks as if if I was painting a picture

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01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 2: of an island, this would be it, like with just

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01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 2: straight up palm trees, kind of beautiful American flag, blue water.

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01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 2: Looks like it would be excellent for snorkeling. I might

1293
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 2: add Tanja and like a paradise. Yeah, the kind of

1294
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 2: place you would love to go and have a quick visit.

1295
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 3: I think I imagined like barbed wire.

1296
01:05:55,960 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, no, I really was not cages necessarily,

1297
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 5: but like barbed wire and like armed guards, because you know,

1298
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 5: Lisa Bryant was on our show and she had mentioned

1299
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 5: now when the when Tanja was there, obviously, I you know,

1300
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 5: Epstein's been gone. It's you know, they're not armed guards.

1301
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 5: But back when he was still alive and on the island,

1302
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 5: you know, there were guards and whatnot that pulled up.

1303
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 5: Remember she pulled up to the pier and there were gods.

1304
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 5: So I was picturing like barbed I was I was

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Speaker 5: literally picturing like.

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Speaker 3: Institution or something. I don't know what I'm thinking.

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01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 2: No, I and there, I think there was some of that.

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01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 2: According to reports too, that yes, once you were actually

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01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 2: on the island, you did feel as though you were

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01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 2: safe air quotes. Now, safety could also be perceived as security,

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01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 2: which could perceived as you're not getting out of here

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01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 2: without our permission, which is kind of a daunting thought.

1313
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 3: But yeah, it does look quite beautiful.

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01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 2: So you could see how so many women were so

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01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 2: you know, easily brought there.

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01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeahy wouldn't you want to go? This looks like

1317
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 3: the greatest vacation.

1318
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 2: And next thing you know, you can't get off, and

1319
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 2: your passport is gone and Gilain Maxwell has flown you

1320
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 2: by helicopters, so there's no easy route out. The phones

1321
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 2: are tapped and there's cameras everywhere.

1322
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 3: Now what I don't know? Well, thank you for the

1323
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 3: talk back and the photos by the way, because I

1324
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 3: really the photos are so good.

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01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 4: I'm so yeahy, it really was, and I mean it

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01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 4: looks lush and welcoming, yeah, and it just it was

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01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 4: surprising how quotes normal like you guys said.

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Speaker 5: If you're like me and you've never seen photos of

1329
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 5: the island goal, look because I think you'll be surprised. Like,

1330
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 5: and let me know, am I crazy? Am I the

1331
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 5: only one that thought it was barbed wire and cement?

1332
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 3: For some reason?

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01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 9: I don't know.

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01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 5: I was just not expecting the pictures that we got.

1335
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 5: So thank you so much for the pictures, tanject, because

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Speaker 5: I was literally surprised.

1337
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 3: But now I know. We have a talkback Sam.

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01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 8: Hi, everyone, This is Julie from Omaha, Nebraska, and we

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01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 8: go to the president pardoning Ditty or Blaine. He has

1340
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 8: nothing to gain by pardoning either. Did he have nothing

1341
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 8: to offer him? And Blaine already said that he was

1342
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 8: friends with Epstein but didn't participate in anything sexual, so

1343
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 8: giving them a pardon would do nothing for him.

1344
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 3: They're moore. I don't think he will.

1345
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 8: Also, would you post or tell us where you get

1346
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 8: your weight to poster vest?

1347
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 14: Oh?

1348
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, we're wearing them right now. I just

1349
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 3: put mine on.

1350
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 2: We're doing this little reui and with our dancing with

1351
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 2: some dumbbells during the commercials to get in a couple

1352
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:37,719
Speaker 2: of armlifts.

1353
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,719
Speaker 3: It's a slow burn, slow burn. Here the vests.

1354
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 2: We look like we're security ourselves right now, you do.

1355
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 2: I got mine off of Amazon and it was extremely

1356
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 2: inexpensive and it's twelve pounds.

1357
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 4: What about your thoughts? So mine's been hanging around my ass.

1358
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 4: My husband probably got it fifteen years ago. And I

1359
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 4: will tell you because I started out and it was

1360
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 4: way too heavy. And I started using it because I

1361
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 4: lean into the mic because everyone is so compelling between

1362
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 4: Steph and Body and Adam and Sam and Taha, so'd

1363
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 4: lean over and I gave myself tennis elbow.

1364
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 3: So I started using it.

1365
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 4: And it was ridiculously forty five pounds, and Steffan even

1366
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:21,759
Speaker 4: pointed you didn't know how heavy, but you're like, that.

1367
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 3: Is too heavy.

1368
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looked you were like wearing a jacket like

1369
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:28,719
Speaker 2: that you were getting shorter.

1370
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, exactly.

1371
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 4: So now it's fifteen pounds in the back, keep the

1372
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 4: back straight, ten pounds counterweight in the front, and also

1373
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 4: Amazon a long time ago.

1374
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 3: But right, we should just note that Courtney, you're wearing

1375
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 3: a lot of weight. That's so crazy.

1376
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 2: You have the front and the back. I think I'm

1377
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 2: twelve total all front and back. Yeah, and that's probably

1378
01:09:53,280 --> 01:10:00,919
Speaker 2: right and totally totally sufficient. I this is fine for me, honestly,

1379
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 2: Like this one. Since I took the weight out of it,

1380
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 2: I can wear it. I mean I've worn it some

1381
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 2: almost the entire shows, so it's not you wear it.

1382
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wear it every night. Yeah. So it's just

1383
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 3: I need to get one. I don't have one, So

1384
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 3: we're going to get you one. We missed the whole

1385
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 3: other part of the talkback Trump right.

1386
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we had talked last night like it would

1387
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 5: be ini. I had kind of opined that it would

1388
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:31,679
Speaker 5: be insane for him to consider, you know, pardoning either one,

1389
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 5: you know, on the heels of release the epscene files

1390
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 5: and all the you know, the ruckus from the American

1391
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 5: public that want this information. It's being withheld from us

1392
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 5: seemingly from the administration. I don't know if that's true enough,

1393
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 5: but seemingly from the Trump administration.

1394
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 10: And you know.

1395
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 5: To the talkback caller said that, you know, she really

1396
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 5: doesn't see any reason that Trump would.

1397
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,759
Speaker 3: And I kind of agree, like, yeah, would be crazy.

1398
01:10:57,800 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 3: What's the upside?

1399
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:00,759
Speaker 2: I think the only reason why it would be interesting

1400
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 2: in a Gilain Maxwell case is that perhaps there's pressure

1401
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 2: from larger sources that are pressuring, whether it's the administration

1402
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 2: or maybe Gilaine in herself is still connected in some

1403
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 2: big way. If there is in fact blackmail at the core,

1404
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 2: if that's what's being speculated about, if that's accurate, then

1405
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 2: maybe there's just a.

1406
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 3: Larger pressure on the Gilaane Maxwell thing.

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01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 2: As for the ditty part of it, I think the

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01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 2: only reason why anyone would pardon ditty is just to

1409
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 2: sort of make the Epstein thing seem like no big deal.

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01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 2: If we're making it okay and these are not big deals,

1411
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 2: and you know, oh Diddy, he doesn't need to believe

1412
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 2: you behind bars, he's been overcharged by a zealous this

1413
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 2: or a zealous that. Then it kind of does minimize

1414
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 2: just this idea of sex trafficking or you know, being

1415
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 2: violent with women or using women as property to some

1416
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 2: degree and degrading them. Maybe that's like not that big

1417
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 2: of a crime, which I think would just minimize it

1418
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 2: for any survivor of abuse. But again, this is not

1419
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 2: specifically about Trump and this administration. We know there have

1420
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 2: been many administrations prior that have had access to these files.

1421
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 2: And you know, if we're believing the rumors, which we

1422
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 2: don't know what to believe, it seems like, you know,

1423
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 2: all the players, from all the sides, from all the

1424
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 2: things are all in it. The only reason why it

1425
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 2: gets specifically tied to Trump is that he did.

1426
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 3: He really did campaign on it.

1427
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 2: So it's really just because he said he would not

1428
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 2: because he's in a uniquely precarious spot as the president.

1429
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 2: But rather I just feel like he said he would,

1430
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 2: therefore he should.

1431
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you said he wouldn't gain anything. But I

1432
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 4: think Trump, along with any other politician, would probably put

1433
01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 4: a poll in the field to see, you know, does

1434
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 4: did he have a huge fan base that maybe would

1435
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:03,839
Speaker 4: be helpful of voters.

1436
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:06,679
Speaker 3: Correct, that could be a thing.

1437
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 4: And you also mentioned that he wouldn't gain anything from

1438
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 4: Gillian Maxwell because she already said yes, there was a friendship,

1439
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 4: nothing inappropriate. That's a very nice clump of words, and

1440
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 4: you know, maybe whether they were real or imagined on

1441
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 4: Gillian Maxwell's part, if there was potential for her to

1442
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 4: say another set of words, then maybe let her out,

1443
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 4: keep her happy, hope she goes home to the UK

1444
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 4: and call it a day.

1445
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised either way.

1446
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 2: I think what you just said there is really significant.

1447
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 2: Now to the ditty point though, if Trump isn't running

1448
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 2: for another term, so what would his benefit be for that?

1449
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 9: Right?

1450
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 2: So his term is going to end, he will have

1451
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 2: then served too, and unless there's some you know, new surprise,

1452
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:58,639
Speaker 2: it would mean that he would have no real benefit

1453
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 2: and would be over the age eighty at that point

1454
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 2: and probably wouldn't need as many of Diddy's supporters to

1455
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 2: be voting for him. But I you know, everything's upside down,

1456
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 2: so what do I know? What do I know? I

1457
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,719
Speaker 2: do think though the Gelay Maxwell thing is very true.

1458
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:17,679
Speaker 3: What you just said though that does resonate.

1459
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say it's true, but it resonates the idea of, hey,

1460
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 2: look I might get a lower security prison. Sure, I'll

1461
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 2: say whatever you want, and if that changes, I'll say

1462
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 2: whatever I want. You know, if it's at the core

1463
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 2: of it, is this dibble dabble. And by the way,

1464
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 2: let's just take the administration out of it. I think

1465
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 2: it's beyond that. So what is the beyond that question mark?

1466
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 2: And you know I keep saying it. I think in

1467
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 2: these coming weeks this is again going to continue to

1468
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 2: heat up. Let's remember the victims of banned together. They

1469
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 2: say that they themselves will release a list on their

1470
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 2: own if in fact nothing is found or able to

1471
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 2: happen via the House Oversight Committee. The House Oversight Committee

1472
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 2: who met with Pam Bondy today, they are trying to

1473
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 2: get that two hundred and eighteenth signature to happen as

1474
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 2: soon as we are, you know, not in a shutdown

1475
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:19,759
Speaker 2: that should happen pretty swiftly.

1476
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 3: Is that a part of this puzzle? We do not know.

1477
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 2: And if those two things don't happen, what happens then

1478
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 2: Gilaine Maxwell?

1479
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 3: Is she is she safe?

1480
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm her, I would feel like

1481
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 2: a bit of a sitting duck as well.

1482
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 3: I would too.

1483
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 5: And you know, the Supreme Court turned down her bid

1484
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 5: to overturn her conviction. Right just recently last week, she

1485
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 5: filed for habeas corpus relief. She was hoping to get

1486
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 5: out under that prosecutorial uh you know goal that, yeah,

1487
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 5: the loophole. Basically Jeffrey Epstein when he was convicted in

1488
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 5: Florida said, you know, is part of the agreement that

1489
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 5: none of his co conspirators would be gone after And

1490
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 5: so she's trying to you know, fall in under that.

1491
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 3: In the Supreme courts that know, they said no.

1492
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 2: But again, why were you Why would you need a

1493
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 2: co conspirator deal if there's nothing to conspire over right,

1494
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 2: and if there really was nothing in these files, and

1495
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 2: then just release these nothings files. Put a pin in it, like,

1496
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 2: let us all just say, like, what that's true? Don't

1497
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 2: give us repeat information, give us all of it, and

1498
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 2: we can decide if it's a big boo hiss. But

1499
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 2: I think the fact that everybody is worthholding it for

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01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:34,640
Speaker 2: as long as they are is what is making everybody

1501
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,599
Speaker 2: feel like there is something in.

1502
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 3: Fact bigger there.

1503
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 2: But it's a it's a fair point in terms of

1504
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 2: what's the what I don't know.

1505
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 3: I don't know that we're ever going to find out.

1506
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 3: I really don't know. We're going to find out soon. No, no, no, no, no,

1507
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 3: don't you dare say that.

1508
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 5: I think, Susan, I have it in my head that

1509
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 5: you know, all these distractions and I'm using air quotes

1510
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 5: right now because these are very real things that are happening.

1511
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 5: But all these distractions are just going to keep us

1512
01:16:58,280 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 5: off of the Epstein files.

1513
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 3: You know.

1514
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 5: But it's funny and every controversial you know, post that

1515
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 5: a member of the media makes or a member of

1516
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 5: the government makes. People on X are like, Okay, release

1517
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 5: the files because they know it's a distraction. It's very interesting,

1518
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:11,720
Speaker 5: But keep it here.

1519
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 3: Stick around.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna We've got more to dig into. We've got

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Speaker 5: more dms to read, and more talkbacks to listen to

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Speaker 5: True Crime Tonight, We're talking true crime all the time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 2: true crime all the time.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 2: This is our last segment, How did this happen? The

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01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 2: night has flown by. I'm Stephanie Leidecker. Here with Courtney

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01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Body Moving on Talkback Tuesday. We are missing

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01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 2: our Taha tonight. He's not feeling well and Adam as well.

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01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 2: We miss him as well. But you know we're holding

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01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 2: down the fort right, doing our best nodding their heads. Yeah,

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01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 2: so please. In fact, we have a caller right now.

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Speaker 3: Ooh a caller.

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Speaker 14: Hi, Hi Alex Hello, Well, yeah, I have a question

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01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,759
Speaker 14: about in cell culture. Oh, thank you, I haven't written

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Speaker 14: down if I could read it out loud, yeah, of it,

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Speaker 14: of course, perfect. So in cell culture has further pushed

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01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 14: a violence against women, and it seems like this has

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01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 14: really skyrocketed within the last few years, like in the

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01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 14: twenty twenties, because of people like Andrew k and Joe Rogan.

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01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,680
Speaker 14: But unfortunately, there has always been violence against women. But

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01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 14: when I try to think of figures who have had

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01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 14: similar roles in the past, like in the nineties or

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01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 14: the early two thousands, my mind goes blank. Have there

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Speaker 14: been other movements similar to in cell culture that influenced

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01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 14: crime in the past.

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Speaker 3: What a great question. That's a really good question, great one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so yeah, I mean the Red men's rights activism.

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01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 5: It's like the MRA movement of the nineteen seventies. They

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01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 5: were they emerged from the equal rights movements of the

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01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 5: late sixties and whatnot. In the they emerged in response

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01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:01,640
Speaker 5: basically to the feminism that is, you know, being introduced

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01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 5: and whatnot, and it has been absorbed by in cell

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01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 5: culture today. But the MRA argued that feminism disadvantaged men. Okay,

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01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 5: so this is when men started blaming women just for

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01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 5: having the same rights they do. And that kind of

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Speaker 5: was like, I think maybe the springboard for the current

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01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 5: in cell movement when you add in all the red

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01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 5: pill ideology that happened in the early two thousands because

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01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:33,759
Speaker 5: of the Matrix, Right, do you remember the movie The Matrix. Well,

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01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:38,720
Speaker 5: the red pill is like this philosophy within that manosphere

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01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 5: that in cells adopted and built upon, and there's like

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01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 5: this alleged male oppression where taking the red pill means

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01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 5: accepting the truth that feminism has granted women excessive power

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01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 5: and that men are oppressed. So it's I don't think

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01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 5: there's like one specific group. I think it's like a

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01:19:56,240 --> 01:20:00,680
Speaker 5: combination of culture and time and like kind of like

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01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 5: a in a pressure cooker, so to speak. And then

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Speaker 5: you have the Internet now where you have people being

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01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 5: kind of like heightened up like Andrew Tate and those

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01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 5: kinds of people. Also males right.

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Speaker 4: Right, who is not an inceel, but who speaks to

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01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 4: and profits grossly from I'm talking a lot of cash

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01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 4: that the manosphere, these alpha males that you mentioned, target

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01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 4: in cells specifically for them to try and black of

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01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 4: better words, pull themselves out of their bootstraps. And one

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01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 4: more thing on the anti feminist, it's really it's a

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01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 4: perspective that.

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Speaker 3: It's as life as a zero sum game.

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Speaker 4: So if women start to do a little better, aka

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01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 4: can have a job or have if women can have

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01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 4: their own bank accounts, if they get to win, therefore

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01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 4: the men are losing. Hence the anger, hence everything that

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Speaker 4: you were talking about body.

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01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 5: Right, Like they think of this as a slice of pie, right,

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01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,639
Speaker 5: or like a pie, and if I get a piece,

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01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 5: you get less, right, But that's not how life is.

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01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:10,719
Speaker 5: Life is not a pie. Life is a line. There's

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01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 5: no you could have as much pie as you want.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, it's many pies. Yeah, it's many.

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01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 5: Pies, and me having you know, when I was born,

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01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 5: my mom couldn't even have a credit card, you know

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01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:23,680
Speaker 5: what I mean, Like this is this is the I

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01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 5: was born in the seventies. My mom couldn't even have

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01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 5: a credit card. Like it's crazy, wild wild, and and

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01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 5: me having a credit card does not make you any

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01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 5: less of a man. I just it's just not a thing.

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01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 5: But many men, not many. I shouldn't say that, because

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's many. Some men think it does, though,

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Speaker 5: And I think this pressure cooker and then we you know,

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01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 5: now we got the Internet where you can communicate freely

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01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 5: and anonymously, right, and that just adds fire to that

1603
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 5: pressure cooker, I think.

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01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 3: And point too.

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01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 3: And also Covid. I put a lot one covid.

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01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 2: Also, yeah, covid ovid lockdown and a lot of people

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01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 2: just being locked up and kind of getting socialized in

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01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 2: that way.

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Speaker 3: Alex, are you with us still or Sam? Hung up on?

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01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:10,680
Speaker 3: You got it?

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01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 14: Yes, I'm here. It was so interesting. That makes a

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01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:18,840
Speaker 14: lot of sense. I didn't even think about that.

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01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 5: I mean, I I just don't think there's Yeah, I

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01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 5: just don't think there's one specific like you know, root

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01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 5: of it. I think it's many different things, you know

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01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 5: what I mean? Like, I just don't feel like you

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01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 5: can point to one moment in time and.

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01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 3: Say, oh that that was it. I think it's a

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01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 3: it's a for sure.

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01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 5: It's like a bunch of different data points over time.

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Speaker 3: But Alex, thank you so much.

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01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 14: Abow the cycle keeps going.

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01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of redevelops, right, which is why it's

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01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 2: so good that we're chatting about it, because even Alex,

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01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 2: you know in your world too, did you know much

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01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 2: about it in cells now?

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01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 3: She yeah, she's not here.

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01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 4: Yeah I didn't, but if you caught the last thing

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01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:00,680
Speaker 4: she said, it's sad that the cycle continues. And yeah,

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Speaker 4: I couldn't agree with you more. I think that's the

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01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 4: sentiment we all hold, and it does. It continues. And

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01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:09,600
Speaker 4: to Body's earlier point, just with the Internet, it's just

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01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:14,560
Speaker 4: it's faster, it's compressed, it's so much more widely available,

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01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 4: and no longer do you need to go looking for it.

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01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 3: It is looking for you if you are a young man.

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01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 4: And I swear I don't say that to be a

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01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:26,680
Speaker 4: fear monger, no, but I am afraid with as we've

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01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 4: been producing this series, this podcast series, it's really frightening.

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01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 3: It's just scary. It's scary and it's really illuminating.

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01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, scary, it sure is, and maybe that's the thing, right,

1642
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 2: you have to illuminate in the dark, right, So this

1643
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 2: is a light way of shedding light on it. But

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01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 2: what's interesting is if, in fact, you know what you

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01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 2: just said, body was so clear about the fact that, oh,

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01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 2: as the sex is male and females of equalized, that

1647
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 2: means that there's less four. But yet it's funny like

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01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 2: it's really young men that are the starting place for this,

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01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 2: or at least are the ones that are being recruited

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01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 2: the most to really probably haven't had to be in

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01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 2: the workplace where they're fighting for wages, et cetera. You know,

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01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 2: that's well, that's also what's so daunting about it.

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01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 5: You know, I think they're looking at the trad movement.

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01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 5: They're looking at the traditional wife movement, which is kind

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01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 5: of like it's not intel adjacent. And I please, if

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01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 5: you're a trad out there, I am not. I'm not

1657
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 5: trying to be insulting, but you know, there's a movement

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01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 5: of women who it's called the you know, the trad

1659
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 5: movement basically, and they really maintain that women should stay

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01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 5: at home and raise the children. And the degradation of

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01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 5: our culture is because nobody's at home with the kids

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01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 5: and it should be the woman's responsibility to do so.

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01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:52,600
Speaker 5: And they dress very prim and proper, and you know

1664
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 5: whatnot and I think I think the young men are

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01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:57,759
Speaker 5: seeing these and by the way, these are young women

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01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 5: that are doing this. I think there's seeing that these

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01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:02,680
Speaker 5: young women are doing this, and that kind of just

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01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:03,639
Speaker 5: fuels it even more.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's so interesting because if you want to

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01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:10,440
Speaker 2: be a home wife and be home and I applaud

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01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 2: bless you know, and if you want to go and

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01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 2: be a publisher, go in the workplace and do something else,

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01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 2: God bless. Like why are we so divided over that?

1674
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 2: You know, each one to their own. But I guess also, well,

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01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:24,879
Speaker 2: I think.

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01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 5: Because the radicalization happens because each side has their radicals, right,

1677
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 5: and those radical people are saying, you shouldn't stay home

1678
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 5: and raise your kids, you should be out working and

1679
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 5: how dare you? And then the trads are like, well

1680
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:40,679
Speaker 5: you should, you shouldn't be working.

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01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 3: You should.

1682
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 5: You know, it's instead of just going instead of just saying, hey,

1683
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 5: do what you want.

1684
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:48,679
Speaker 3: Well, I think a radical everybody has a choice.

1685
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 2: Like when you know, everybody's living their living their best

1686
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 2: life to the best of their ability with the circumstances

1687
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 2: that they're in. Not everybody can decide if they get

1688
01:25:56,920 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 2: to stay home to raise their children or does have

1689
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 2: to go to work. You know those are that's not

1690
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 2: always on the menu for everyone. So you know, easy

1691
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 2: on the judgment from all. But I hear the convo

1692
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 2: and so it is really it's divisive.

1693
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Speaker 3: I guess it is. The bottom line. Yeah, it's very

1694
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:16,559
Speaker 3: I that was such a good call, Alex.

1695
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, and I kind of want to

1696
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 5: rewind it when we're done and listen to it again

1697
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 5: and like write it down because that was like a

1698
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:22,719
Speaker 5: really good question.

1699
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 3: That was really good. See she's so good at reading

1700
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:27,640
Speaker 3: out loud too, she said she's a question down, so

1701
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 3: that it was excellent. I'd be like, yeah, come on,

1702
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 3: you know, I'm still recovering. I know. That was great.

1703
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for that call. So do we

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01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 3: have another talk.

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01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 16: About Hi, ladies, this is Chari from Oregon. I have

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01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 16: a question about your True Crime and Chill podcast. Will

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01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 16: that be a separate podcast or will be a part

1708
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 16: of this podcast. I came across you guys recently and

1709
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 16: I just love your show. Thanks for all you do.

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01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 16: Have a great evening, we are.

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01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.

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01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 5: Yeah. So True Crime and Chill is just a segment

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01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 5: we do and it's typically every Wednesday. We did skip

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01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 5: last week because I can't remember why we skipped it,

1715
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 5: but we did.

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01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 4: Because adolescence, which is what we're we will be talking

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01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 4: about next week. It's a four parter and we wanted

1718
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 4: to give people two weekends of time to watch it

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01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 4: or two weeks of time.

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01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:25,679
Speaker 3: And here's the stick.

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01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:28,679
Speaker 2: It has to be interactive, Like we're not Ciscal and Ebert,

1722
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 2: So us all watching something together and then the three

1723
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 2: of us telling how we thought about it is such

1724
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 2: a lame segment. So unless you guys are weighing in,

1725
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 2: that's the conversation, right.

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01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 3: The True Crime and Chill.

1727
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 2: Is supposed to be just a way for us all

1728
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 2: to have a larger community combo. You know, the three

1729
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 2: of us can talk about it. But like we're not

1730
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 2: film directors, you know.

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01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not like I don't know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: We can tell you if we liked it or we

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01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:58,839
Speaker 2: hated it, and when we thought of it, of course,

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01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 2: of course, of course. But I think the spirit is

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01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 2: you would be joining that as well, and Adolescence is

1736
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:08,440
Speaker 2: really one of those that has so much to discuss

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01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 2: and unpack that we hope you really will check it

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01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 2: out and then dm us or give us some talkbacks

1739
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 2: or give us a call to tell us what you think,

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01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 2: because it's a real conversation starter.

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01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 5: And just a reminder to your point, Stephanie, we are

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01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 5: reviewing and talking about adolescence on Thursday of this week,

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01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:31,639
Speaker 5: so True Crime and Chill will be Thursday this week.

1744
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:33,680
Speaker 5: I think we have something special planned for tomorrow that

1745
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 5: I'm maybe not supposed to be talking about. Shit, I

1746
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 5: don't know, and so it's been moved to Thursday, so

1747
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 5: we have two more days. I'm not going to say

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01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 5: much more. So we're going to be talking our in

1749
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 5: doing our True Crime and Chill segment on Thursday, So

1750
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 5: thank you.

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01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 3: We have a surprise tomorrow. Is it my birthday? Is

1752
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:57,919
Speaker 3: it Sam's birthday? And I'm not saying anything. Congratulations, got

1753
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 3: a surprise. I love a surprise. That's so exciting.

1754
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 4: Yes, I know, but now everyone has an extra night

1755
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 4: and you can find adolescents on Netflix. Yeah, and it's

1756
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:13,760
Speaker 4: won a ton of awards and it should have that's right.

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01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, do we have any do we have time for another. Hi.

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01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 12: This is Keim in Kentucky and after watching the catfish,

1759
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 12: the high School Catfish. So I would like to applaud

1760
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 12: the judge for allowing her not to contact her daughter

1761
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:36,679
Speaker 12: for a whole entire year, to let that poor girl

1762
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:40,599
Speaker 12: have some time to heal, because you know, the first

1763
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:43,759
Speaker 12: thing she wanted was mommy, and mommy was toxic.

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01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 3: Toxic mommy. That's a great thing. It's still hot.

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01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 2: I'm still worked up about it. I'm still worked up

1766
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:53,759
Speaker 2: about it. I really am. I feel like the cop.

1767
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:56,759
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, this is not a dig on law enforcement,

1768
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 2: but that particular cop should not have let mom and

1769
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 2: daughter be in the same room when daughter found out

1770
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 2: mom was a monster number one, number two. You saw

1771
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:10,599
Speaker 2: her trauma right there. That's what it looks like. That

1772
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 2: is it real time? And then yeah, it was a

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01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 2: good year.

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01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 3: I think it.

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01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 2: Should have been longer, and I think she should have

1776
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 2: been in jail or that Kendra needed to really be

1777
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:23,960
Speaker 2: getting some some serious care before having access to her

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01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 2: daughter again.

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01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 3: The sexy texts, Remember she was sending.

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01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:30,600
Speaker 5: All those weird sexy texts to the boys.

1781
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 2: How is that not like another version of pedophilia? I

1782
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 2: know that's abuse. She was a grown adult and she's

1783
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:40,719
Speaker 2: texting a young teenage boy, let alone her daughter.

1784
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 3: So let's even put his daughter for a second. The boyfriend,

1785
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 3: why she was sending the most disgusting things, and then

1786
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 3: a girl. Yeah, she's testing the new girl. So it

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01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 3: to me she was obsessed with the little boy. Yeah

1788
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:56,080
Speaker 3: that's right, thing.

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01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 5: Too, which to me, she is not in prison right now, exactly,

1790
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 5: that would be crazy making. I totally agree with you.

1791
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:04,759
Speaker 5: Like she just sat there so smug telling her story.

1792
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 5: I was like the audentity. I would be mortified, Like literally,

1793
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 5: you would never see me anywhere. I would be a

1794
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:14,639
Speaker 5: paper bag on my head. I wouldn't you. I would

1795
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:19,599
Speaker 5: never be in public. And this woman has stay couch

1796
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:21,879
Speaker 5: and put her makeup on and go on Netflix.

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01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? Exactly. She was also no accountability.

1798
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 3: She still was like, h we all make you know, well, yeah,

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01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 3: I didn't. Oh get out of here, give me give

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01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:36,719
Speaker 3: me a break, Kendra. No, Kendra. So for our talkback

1801
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:39,000
Speaker 3: that asked what true crime and chill was, you just

1802
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 3: listened to a very small part of what we do.

1803
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:43,599
Speaker 3: We just sit here and complain about people.

1804
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:48,080
Speaker 2: Document I say it in my head. Occasionally I'm like, no, no, Kendra,

1805
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 2: not today. I say that in my head multiple times

1806
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 2: when I'm stuck at a light and someone's giving me

1807
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 2: a hard time and anyway, I'm like, in my head,

1808
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,519
Speaker 2: I go, no, no, that's today, Kendra. That's like a

1809
01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:00,200
Speaker 2: headline in my head. Yeah, yeah, the thing there in

1810
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:03,120
Speaker 2: my head. You would never want the tag lie, but

1811
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 2: like it is, like I have a that is a

1812
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:09,280
Speaker 2: tagline that I think in moments of frustration many times.

1813
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 5: New segment idea Stephanie's journal where she just writes down

1814
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 5: her little taglines that she says.

1815
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:20,840
Speaker 3: To herself in read I literally not tonight, I need more.

1816
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 2: We'll tell it to the judge, Kendra, not today.

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01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 3: So that's true, Grime and chill for the talk, maggot.

1818
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:31,519
Speaker 3: What we just did. It was a very small part

1819
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:32,680
Speaker 3: of it, but that's exactly.

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01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 2: And like the adolescents one is like it's kind of

1821
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:38,640
Speaker 2: like a real time combo and I think really applies

1822
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 2: to what's happening in the world right now. Also, and

1823
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:44,879
Speaker 2: we're seeing a lot more of these, you know, frankly

1824
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 2: disenfranchised young men who are becoming these lone wolves that

1825
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:51,439
Speaker 2: are committing hideous crimes right.

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01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 3: Hi, guys, we survived. We did it solo, and I loved.

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01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 2: It every time. Thanks for being with us tonight. Listen,

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01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:01,559
Speaker 2: stay safe out there. We'll be back, of course tomorrow

1829
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 2: with a big surprise show. I'm doing the math. I

1830
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:07,639
Speaker 2: don't think it's any of our birthdays, but if it's mine,

1831
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:09,519
Speaker 2: I'm so excited for the party.

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01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:21,680
Speaker 5: Yay, good night, Bye,