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Speaker 1: the Fox Sports radio studios. Here's Brian no, Rich Hornberger

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Speaker 1: and Jared Smith.

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Speaker 3: Oh, good morning everybody.

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Speaker 4: Happy Saturday, till you hope your days off to a

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Speaker 4: fantastic start.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully we can connad to it, scruits it up, we

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Speaker 3: can make it come to life.

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Speaker 4: Call that good stuff as we prepare for a game

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Speaker 4: seven tomorrow night.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Rich, Good morning, Jared mor On my right

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Speaker 3: sock here, I got my left sock on. I did

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Speaker 3: not have my right sot Now my right sock is off, but.

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Speaker 2: Thank god it's a radio.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, well, and also I was just thinking, you

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Speaker 5: have you have right and left socks, like specifically for

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Speaker 5: just yeah, okay.

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Speaker 3: You're just wing it, just wing it.

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Speaker 4: It's funny you said that because as I'm putting them on,

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm pretty sure they're exactly flip flopped. You know, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you have like the the little standard big toe hole.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think the standard big toe hole is

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Speaker 4: where the pinky toe is today, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: So we're switching them around here. But how about Game

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Speaker 4: seven tomorrow night? How did we even get here?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 3: Like you think about and.

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Speaker 4: This is you know, we all felt this way, Jared,

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Speaker 4: but you mentioned it a couple of times last week

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Speaker 4: where we're going into the parlay platter and it's like, hey, this.

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Speaker 3: Is our last you know, big bang.

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Speaker 4: This is like the grand finale where we each come

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Speaker 4: up with two legs for the mega parlay because we're

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Speaker 4: probably not going to have a Game seven and we're

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Speaker 4: not going to have a game to preview, and lo

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Speaker 4: and behold here we are previewing at Game seven.

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Speaker 3: How did we even get here?

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Speaker 6: Man? How did we get here? Well?

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Speaker 7: Look, I guess in general answering the question more vaguely

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Speaker 7: and following sort of what I've learned and known about

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Speaker 7: sports my entire playing career as a high school athlete,

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Speaker 7: collegiate athlete, and a professional and then also as a viewer, broadcaster.

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Speaker 6: A fan of sport.

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Speaker 7: It takes health, it takes durability, It takes belief.

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Speaker 6: It takes luck.

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Speaker 7: All of those things are mixed together in the cauldron

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Speaker 7: when you have, especially what we're seeing in this NBA final,

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Speaker 7: which is two small market teams who in a league

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Speaker 7: with a salary floor and salary cap, things like this

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Speaker 7: should be possible. You know, two of these smallest markets

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Speaker 7: in because obviously certain cities double up, these are two

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Speaker 6: How sports are supposed to look and be.

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Speaker 7: But if you want me to answer it more specifically,

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Speaker 7: it's because Indiana felt the desperation in Game six that

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Speaker 7: OKC just simply could not manufacture. That's the shortest answer

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Speaker 7: I can give you for how we got to a

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think if you were going to ask me

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Speaker 8: before both playoff series started NHL NBA in the finals,

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Speaker 8: definitely would have been a long shot. Game six was awesome,

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Speaker 8: like you got to and I know our first instinct

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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 8: I think I give the credit to Indiana. I think

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Speaker 8: the one thing we haven't done in this postseason is

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Speaker 2: I think we've actually established that they can do that.

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Speaker 8: In fact, I think of all of both of these teams,

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Speaker 8: I actually think Indiana is mentally maybe the more grittier team. Right,

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Speaker 8: They're very comfortable being uncomfortable. But Oklahoma City has been

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Speaker 8: very resilient this year. They haven't lost after a loss.

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Speaker 8: Six and zero coming off of a loss in this

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Speaker 8: they have bounced back very strong.

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Speaker 2: In the this postseason, they won.

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Speaker 8: Two straight, right, they won Game four, one, Game five,

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Speaker 8: and then all of a sudden in Game six. They

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Speaker 8: I don't want to say they didn't play their best game.

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Speaker 8: I just think in Niana really outplayed them, and it

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Speaker 8: will be very fascinating to see if Oklahoma City can

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Speaker 8: continue to bounce back. But I think we just have

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Speaker 8: to keep giving flow. This has been a very flowery Finals.

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Speaker 8: I think okay See deserve their flowers for Game four,

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Speaker 8: and I really think in Niana deserved their flowers last

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, how we even got here?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 4: It's like, I just look at the Pacers, who are

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Speaker 4: They've been the zombies of this entire NBA season, And

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Speaker 4: I mean that as a compliment. You know the movies

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Speaker 4: they're like they're kating ground, like they're right here.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 3: That's the Pacers.

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Speaker 4: If you look at the regular season, this team started

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Speaker 3: Seven of the freaking Finals. It's crazy.

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Speaker 4: And I agree with you, Jared where I think if

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Speaker 4: a tendency. There have been a couple of games where

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Speaker 4: the Pacers have turned it over like crazy, and there's

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Speaker 4: a tendency to give OKC their props defensively because they're fantastic.

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Speaker 4: They've been the best defensive team all season long, regular

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Speaker 4: season end, postseason, and so when the Pacers get turned

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Speaker 4: then you look at Game six where OKC got turned

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Speaker 4: don't get the same type of props. It seems more like, okay, see,

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Speaker 4: they just were so sloppy, where if you look at Carlisle,

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Speaker 4: he's made some really good defense of adjustments in this series.

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Speaker 4: give Carlisle some credit. But I think that you got

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Speaker 4: to give the Pacers. They're just due. And it's funny, right, like,

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Speaker 4: I'll compare them to a college football team, a little

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Speaker 4: bit later this hour. But it's funny where there's a

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Speaker 3: What they've done all series long. Then it's Game seven.

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Speaker 4: And it's like, I gotta go Loksey, you know, like

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Speaker 4: you give them their flowers and then you immediately.

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Speaker 3: Doubt them in the next game. It's just funny.

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Speaker 4: It's played out the entire series, the entire season, but

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Speaker 4: here we are again with the Pacers.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the Pacers are that kind of team. That's Zo

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Speaker 7: B team you're talking about up against who is the unkillable,

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Speaker 7: you know, spirit of Oka Seejared, I think that stat

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Speaker 7: I knew it would at some point that Oka See

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Speaker 7: to to fire off, because that's how you win championships

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Speaker 7: by not allowing yourself to get down and out after

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Speaker 7: where you know you're sort of backing up the truck

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Speaker 7: and thinking like, well, one more loaded dirt and that'll

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Speaker 7: be it. No, you know, okay, see that's a young

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Speaker 7: group of fighters. But I'll go back to something I said,

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Speaker 7: and I've been thinking about a lot, and it's that

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Speaker 7: but you're having a hard time pretending times are desperate

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Speaker 6: Put on the cape, you know, And I think there.

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Speaker 7: I don't want to take anything away from the Zombie Pacers,

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Speaker 7: and I don't want to say that they don't deserve

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Speaker 6: Of it, because they do. They absolutely do.

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Speaker 7: In fact, I believe that the Pacers can win this championship.

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Speaker 7: I honestly do. But there was this feeling of there

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Speaker 6: Bail themselves out one last time.

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Speaker 7: And they've done it, as mentioned six times over postseason,

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Speaker 7: Whatever cliche you want to use. It felt like that's

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Speaker 7: what Okase was playing like at a certain point in

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Speaker 7: that game, and the Pacers said, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 7: We're playing for our lives here, and okaysee, just could

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Speaker 7: not manufacture that level of desperation. And here we are,

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Speaker 7: we arrive on the doorstep of a Game seven and

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Speaker 7: we're still talking about the NBA Finals, And I think

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Speaker 7: in part due to the mindset of the Thunder.

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Speaker 8: I mean, let's just think about this for a minute.

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Speaker 8: If Oklahoma City does not win Game seven, they would

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Speaker 8: lose back to back games for the first time in

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Speaker 8: the final game for that to happen. I mean, that's

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Speaker 8: Caves lost two straight in that series. I don't know

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Speaker 8: for that to happen, it like, let's just live in

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Speaker 8: that reality for a minute. Indiana goes into ok See

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Speaker 8: tomorrow night and slays the Dragon for the first time

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Speaker 8: in the entire postseason. They would have handed the Thunder

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Speaker 8: Game seven of the finals. Like, just wrap your head

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Speaker 8: of the most improbable ends endings to a finals I

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Speaker 8: think maybe ever because of how big right that Calves

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Speaker 8: write the script. The NBA does have an NC state

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and to add to it a little bit, this

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Speaker 3: That would be nobody.

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Speaker 4: This is the first time any team, unless they lose

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Speaker 4: And so when you have that in your back pocket, like,

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Speaker 3: Why I can't help but doubt them again, I'm not okay,

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Speaker 4: It was awesome what the Pacers were able to do

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what they go back and look at that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty wild.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Game six though, if if what we see in

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Speaker 6: Never gave the lead back.

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Speaker 7: In fact, by halftime it was sort of all punctuated

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Speaker 7: I look, you know it, it feels like a fado

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Speaker 7: you know what's the best bet You know what I

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Speaker 7: but I also mean in relationships. I mean in expiration

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Speaker 6: But when you look at when you look at.

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Speaker 7: What you've watched so far with the Indiana Pacers and

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Speaker 7: some of the human element of this series so far, Man,

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Speaker 7: I'm having a hard time. I'm having a hard time

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Speaker 7: finding reasons why they can't.

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Speaker 6: You know, I can't.

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Speaker 4: I can't find about when they can't. It's they can,

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Speaker 4: it's they won't. Right, There's a big difference. There's a

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Speaker 7: And I That's That's where I'm having the issue, because

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Speaker 7: again I'm I'm blaming the Thunder for some of their

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Speaker 7: So I feel like we're going to see a very

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Speaker 7: and at very least it'll be a much harder fight

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Speaker 8: Yeah, which team do you think has more pressure? Is

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Speaker 8: that an obvious answer? Oklahoma City? Like, I think Oklahoma

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Speaker 2: I think it flips very quickly. Do you guys agree

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I do, Yeah, I think it can change real fast. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Like all of a sudden, you're down by eight, you're

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but early first quarter, tense moments, first quarter tip off.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, all the pressure's on. Okase, I wonder agree with that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we're often running.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that was good.

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Speaker 4: I I picked up on that, Chris. That was It's

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Speaker 3: I'm not talking trash.

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Speaker 4: I've just heard them a lot, a lot, Okay, So

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Speaker 4: Lebron James, Lebron James is bemoaning ring culture. Okay, so

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Speaker 3: I don't know where it started, but it's a long.

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Speaker 3: It's so weird. It's never enough.

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Speaker 4: you think if Lebron had let's just say, seven rings

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Speaker 3: There's no way Lebron.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it would be weird if he was like, let's

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Speaker 6: Didn't you sort of.

439
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Speaker 7: Just tell us that you're your inferior to Jordan based

440
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 7: on your own summation. So he can never make that argument.

441
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 7: In fact, he has to live in the antithesis of

442
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 7: that argument until he has collected more rings than Jordan.

443
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 7: Otherwise otherwise it's it's all, it's all already done.

444
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 6: You know, if if if the the.

445
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 7: One person that there, there will be many voices defending

446
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 7: Lebron as the greatest.

447
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 6: Of all time for years and years and years to come.

448
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 7: Maybe maybe another few decades, maybe it'll be in maybe

449
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 7: it'll be a century before we see a talent as

450
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 7: good as Jordan or Lebron. Again, I don't know. All

451
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 7: I know is we're very fortunate to have them overlap

452
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 7: briefly and have this you know, the scepter be passed

453
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 7: from one to the next so seamlessly that we can

454
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 7: have even a debate alive in actuality because Jordan was

455
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 7: so dominant, and then you look at what Lebron's done,

456
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 7: and he's been so dominant. But there's one glaring comparison

457
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 7: that you cannot overcome if you are in this in

458
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 7: this debate, and it's the fact that he doesn't have

459
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 7: as many championships as Jordan, he doesn't have the winning

460
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 7: percentage that Jordan has as in the finals. And so

461
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 7: it's the one argument that Lebron absolutely can't make, and

462
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 7: very predictably he didn't. In fact, he argued the opposite,

463
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 7: and so let's just let's categorize it right there. It's

464
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 7: just very predictable. Jared, Well, here's the thing about podcasts.

465
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 7: You know, we have one here, We do one every week.

466
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 7: I mean, I know it's a show, but you know

467
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 7: it turns into podcasts.

468
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Speaker 6: One.

469
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Speaker 8: I'm listening to the podcast. By the way, it's on

470
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 8: all your iHeart podcast applications. But now that we're in

471
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 8: this culture, speaking of ring culture, how about podcast culture.

472
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 8: Podcast culture in sports today is it's like mutated into

473
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 8: this crazy thing. And obviously we're trying to do a

474
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 8: show every week. We're trying to put our best takes

475
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 8: out there, We're trying to be right with our picks

476
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 8: every week. We're all of these things like this is

477
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 8: as a broadcast right with the broadcast school with trying

478
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 8: to you know, be have journalistic integrity and try to

479
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 8: be you know, straightforward and not biased to one side.

480
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 8: The athletes don't have this when they do their podcasts.

481
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 8: The athlete and again I've been on this ship. I've

482
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 8: said this before. I appreciate and respect the athletes that

483
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 8: come out, especially.

484
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 2: During their career. Some one thing to do with after

485
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 2: career is over. Labron's still playing basketball.

486
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 8: During your career, to come out and be open and

487
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 8: honest about what's going on with you with the team

488
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 8: behind the scenes. That helps me get inside your head.

489
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 8: It helps me handicap sports better. I appreciate that. I

490
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 8: respect athletes. That's why you know, we talk a lot

491
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 8: of smacked Aaron Rodgers because he's out there, but at

492
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 8: least he's out there. Might not agree with him, but

493
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,959
Speaker 8: at least he's out there. The problem here is not

494
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 8: everyone is good at broadcasting and podcasting and giving takes.

495
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: A lot of times people say the.

496
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Speaker 8: Quiet part out loud, and a lot of times people

497
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 8: are not honest with themselves about what they're really feeling,

498
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 8: and they say what they think people want to hear

499
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 8: because it's what they want to hear.

500
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 2: It's what their inner voice is telling them.

501
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Speaker 8: And that's what you're seeing here with a lot of

502
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 8: these professional athlete podcasts. In this particular situation, Lebron's kind

503
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 8: of telling you the quiet part out loud. He's kind

504
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 8: of telling you how he feels behind the scenes about

505
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 8: himself and his situation. And he doesn't want to be

506
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 8: judged based off of rings because of what Rich said.

507
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 8: If you judge him based off of rings, then he

508
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,959
Speaker 8: doesn't hold a candle in the goat debate. But at

509
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 8: the end of the day, is that really how basketball

510
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 8: players are judged? Lebron knows basketball better than I would

511
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 8: say anyone. If he really searched deep down and really

512
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 8: tried to get to the truth of how basketball players

513
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 8: in the NBA are judged, he would realize that he's

514
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 8: wrong about the stake. But I think the athletes sometimes

515
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 8: are more self serving with their podcasting needs than trying

516
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 8: to actually give the truth to their audience, and that

517
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 8: I think is the downside to having all of these

518
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 8: athlete podcasts. They're not really broadcasters, they're just athletes that

519
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 8: want attention and want to be out there, and I

520
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 8: think sometimes it e skews the message. It makes the

521
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 8: message very blurry, and this message was very contradictory.

522
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 4: Well, it's one of those deals where I'll give you

523
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 4: the one statement where it's a good argument, but it

524
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 4: loses theme because it's completely self serving. So again it's

525
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 4: on the mind the Game podcast, Lebron talking about how

526
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 4: we're oh, this guy's got five rings, well he's better

527
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 4: than the guy with four rings, like that sort of thing. Right,

528
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 4: he's pushing back on that. He said, I don't know

529
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 4: why it's discussed so much in our sport and why

530
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 4: it's the end all be all of everything, Like, Okay,

531
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 4: you weren't a great player because you never won a championship,

532
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 4: or if you won one, you can't be in the

533
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 4: same conversation with this person, said you sit here and

534
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 4: tell me. Ellen Iverson and Charles Barkley and Steve nash

535
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 4: Efing weren't unbelievable, like, oh, they can't be talked about

536
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 4: or discussed with these guys because this guy won one

537
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 4: ring or won two rings. It's just weird to me,

538
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 4: Like it's a legit argument. But again it's completely self

539
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 4: serving because he's basically saying, Hey, I've scored.

540
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 3: The most points in NBA history. Look at what I've done.

541
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 4: Like defensively, I don't have the championships, but that's kind

542
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 4: of weird when you start and stop and think about it, right,

543
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 4: Like to me, it's one of these deals where there

544
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 4: are only a few exceptions where it's okay and it's

545
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 4: worked to give yourself a nickname, you know what I mean.

546
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 4: Like I don't know if anybody called Kobe the Black

547
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 4: Mamba or he just branded himself that way. Every now

548
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 4: and then, you can give yourself a nickname and it works,

549
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 4: it's rare, but you can't give yourself goat status. And

550
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 4: that's basically what Lebron is done. He's done that before.

551
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 4: He sat down in one of these podcasts like Situations

552
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 4: and said, hey, after the three to one comeback against

553
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 4: the Warriors, I said, right there, that made you the

554
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 4: goat and he's just hoping it was a Jedi mind trick,

555
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 4: and everyone was like, ah, he is, he is the goat,

556
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 4: and it's like, no, man, it doesn't work like that.

557
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 4: You can't just bestow you can't knight yourself the goat

558
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 4: of the NBA, you know. And that's what he's trying

559
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 4: to do, is trying to flip the argument in his favor.

560
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 4: And it is at times a good argument, but it's

561
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 4: it's totally for his own benefit. And it's like, we

562
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 4: see what you're doing. Man, you see right through it completely.

563
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 7: I just I hope that everybody sees through it, because

564
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,719
Speaker 7: it is Jared, You're one hundred percent right when you

565
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 7: say that there are certain people who are obviously they

566
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 7: go through whatever qualifications or.

567
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 6: Riggers to be broadcasters, and that's great. I think that.

568
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 7: I think that you can you can get to a

569
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 7: level where you have your own show and you have

570
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 7: your own little microphone and your own little zoom camera,

571
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 7: and you can you can sometimes amass a tremendous following

572
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 7: if you're saying interesting things, you know what I mean?

573
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think.

574
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 7: There there's no one route that is better than any

575
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 7: other to becoming whether it's fame you're chasing or popularity,

576
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 7: if to become popular, whatever it is that you're looking

577
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 7: forward to doing or looking for just being interesting. Let's

578
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 7: let's put it there now. Lebron has built in interest

579
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 7: because obviously he's Lebron James.

580
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 6: He's one of the either he's either the.

581
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 7: Best or the second best basketball player to ever walk

582
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 7: the planet. So immediately, anything he says on any podcast,

583
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 7: let alone his own that he co hosts, is going

584
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 7: to be something of interest.

585
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 6: I just hope people are able to read.

586
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 7: Past the headline and say to themselves, yeah, even though

587
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 7: it came from a critical source, we have to be

588
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 7: ittic goal of that very important source it came from. Like,

589
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 7: you can't take what Lebron just said there at face value,

590
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 7: because if you take it at face value and you say, okay, yeah,

591
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 7: you know what, coming from one of the best basketball

592
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 7: players to ever live, maybe that is how I should

593
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 7: adjudicate things. Maybe that is how I should look at

594
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 7: this debate between he or any player and any other players.

595
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 7: You know, Let's look at their individual metrics. Let's compare

596
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 7: them and contrast them that way. Let's remove the team element,

597
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 7: even though they both play a team sport, right, So

598
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 7: it just it's too beneficial of a statement. It would

599
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 7: be inadmissible as evidence. If this was a court case,

600
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 7: you could not use it. So it's just look, you know,

601
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 7: I mean, we are doing our best to you know,

602
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 7: assuage the obvious, which is to have the Goat conversation,

603
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 7: which is long and bore and just opinion based.

604
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 6: So we're doing a good job there.

605
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 7: What I will say is anything that Jordan says about

606
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 7: himself or the Goat conversation, and then also anything that

607
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 7: Lebron says about himself or the Goat conversation cannot be

608
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 7: applied to the conversation of who's the greatest of all time?

609
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 7: Well that needs to be decided by the independent arbiters

610
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 7: who will.

611
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 6: Write that history.

612
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 4: Well it's I'll say, real fast air and you can

613
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 4: go last word if you want, but sure, it just

614
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 4: makes me think of you know when you talk about

615
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 4: rich when Lebron makes the statements about the Goat conversation

616
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 4: and Michael Jordan throws in his he never does when

617
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 4: has Jordan ever said anything about it might happen.

618
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: Soon now that he just got that job on NBC.

619
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 4: Right, But it's that old is that the Walter Payton

620
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 4: saying I can't remember who said it, but It's like,

621
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 4: when you're good, you tell everyone.

622
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 3: When you're great, everyone tells.

623
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 8: Yes, good, you tell everyone. And that goes back to

624
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 8: what Rich was talking about. It the people that are

625
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 8: in the podcasting space for the sole reason to chase fame,

626
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 8: fortune and attention are the people that you need to

627
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 8: mute and ignore. Like I didn't get into broadcasting to

628
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 8: become famous, why did I get into sports?

629
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 2: Sports broadcasting specifically?

630
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 8: I grew up loving sports and I wasn't good enough

631
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 8: to play it, and this was the best way that

632
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 8: I could stay close to the game. When I was

633
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 8: after my high school days, when I was in college

634
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 8: of Penn State.

635
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 2: Rich was the one on the field.

636
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 8: I wish I was with Rich on the field, getting

637
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 8: the snap from him and throwing the ball.

638
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: But I wasn't good enough. But what was I good

639
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: enough to do?

640
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 8: Communicate what was happening on the field honestly and accurately

641
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 8: to the audience.

642
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: That was my skill.

643
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 8: Being able to take information, regurgitate it, absorb it, and

644
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,959
Speaker 8: then send it back to the audience in an entertaining way.

645
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: That was my skill.

646
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 8: I was not big enough, fast enough, or strong enough

647
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 8: to play, so I went in another direction.

648
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: There are people today.

649
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 8: TikTok generation, the podcasting, all this stuff. Their sole purpose

650
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 8: in life is to get attention.

651
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: Those are the people you should ignore.

652
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 8: The people who just want to do their job and

653
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 8: give you their opinions and then you can do whatever

654
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 8: you want with it.

655
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: Are the people that you actually should be listening to.

656
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Speaker 2: But the people that are chasing the fame.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 8: We talk about this with Ryan Day all the time.

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Speaker 8: He has to keep telling us how tough his team is.

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Speaker 8: His team's probably not. I'm not saying a lot to

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Speaker 8: say it's not tough. But when you keep saying something,

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Speaker 8: don't talk about it, be about it. And when Lebron

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Speaker 8: James continues and this is listen, I think this is

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Speaker 8: gonna be a thing.

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Speaker 2: You want to talk about?

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Speaker 8: The goat wars between Lebron and all the players that

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Speaker 8: he played with.

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Speaker 2: How about the broadcasting wars.

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Speaker 8: We're about to have Lebron James and Michael Jordan both

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Speaker 8: in major broadcasting roles over the next decade.

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Speaker 2: That's the next goat debate we're gonna have.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well that'll be fun. That will actually be a debate,

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Speaker 4: the actual goat debate. It could be baseline is my mind,

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Speaker 4: is made up. If you believe in Jordan, nothing is

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Speaker 4: changing your mind like Lebron.

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Speaker 3: No Jordan guy heard Lebron's.

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Speaker 4: Recent argument that we're talking about here and said, you

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Speaker 4: know what, ring culture is a little bit too highly.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with Lebron. Everyone's mind is made up.

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Speaker 4: There's not an argument out there that's gonna sway anyone.

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Speaker 2: All he did was chase rings. It's so hypocritical. He

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Speaker 2: chased rings of Miami. Cleveland's all over right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, We've got rich oron Berger, Penn State, All American,

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Speaker 4: Jared Smith FSR betting analyst. I'm Brian No. Be sure

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Speaker 4: sure to subscribe to you always have instant access to

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Speaker 4: our Fox Sports Radio videos on YouTube. Coming up next,

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Speaker 4: the parlay Platter. My gosh, we do have a Game

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Speaker 4: seven to parlay together. We'll get to that. It's Fox

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Speaker 3: No time to waste, We dive right on in to this.

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Speaker 4: Okay, it is the parlay platter, it's not the Mega

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Speaker 4: parlay platter. But ah, how would you describe this one, Jared?

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Speaker 4: And what's the theme for us?

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Speaker 6: Buddy?

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Speaker 8: Well, obviously it's gotta be Game seven. Even though I

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Speaker 8: think I reversed jinx us last week I said we're

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Speaker 8: not gonna have a Game seven to talk about next Saturday.

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Speaker 8: This will be the last NBA parlay platter of the

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Speaker 8: of the postseason, and just like many other parlay platters before,

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Speaker 8: I was wrong on that prediction.

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Speaker 2: So we do this. I promise you this will be the.

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Speaker 8: Last NBA parlay platter of the postseason. I feel confident

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Speaker 8: in that Obi Toppin was fantastic In Game six, he

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Speaker 8: became the first bench player in the NBA Finals with

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Speaker 8: a twenty point five rebound, two steel shooting two steel

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Speaker 8: showing excuse me, And he's been fantastic shooting it in

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Speaker 8: the series alternating games.

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Speaker 2: He has not had consecutive games.

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Speaker 8: Of good shooting performances, so we're gonna go Obi toppin

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Speaker 8: under one and a half may threes in this game.

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Speaker 8: I think unders we've already seen the total drop. I

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Speaker 8: think unders in general in game seven make a lot

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Speaker 8: of sense, and I think Obi Topa will not have

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Speaker 8: another game a second consecutive good shooting game under one

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Speaker 8: and a half may threes.

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Speaker 2: First leg of the playoff, it's.

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Speaker 7: Okay, very good in Game seven with the Cavs strain

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Speaker 7: still compromising his play and facing a defense from Okase

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Speaker 7: that's keyed on limiting his offensive game plan, I think

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Speaker 7: it's highly probable Haliburton falls below the five and a

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Speaker 7: half point prop line. So tyrese Haliburton under five and

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Speaker 7: fifteen and a half points in Game seven against Okase.

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Speaker 7: He's underperformed that prop line. I believe it's the past

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Speaker 7: two outings against Okase. I still don't think he's right,

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Speaker 7: especially after wimping off the court in Game five.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so give me the under there.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna have to pivot over here because I

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Speaker 4: was also targeting.

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Speaker 9: Out a couple of Haliburtons from Yeah, I know this

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Speaker 9: is not gonna be parlayable, you know, because I'm looking

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Speaker 9: at Halliburton under twenty two and a half.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I think both are gonna be difficult.

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Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be hard for him to score,

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Speaker 4: and I think it's gonna be hard for him to

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Speaker 4: set up teammates. And also he's gonna have a couple

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Speaker 4: of good passes, as he always does.

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Speaker 3: But maybe you're a little tight in a game seven

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Speaker 3: and a quality.

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Speaker 4: Look from three just goes clang.

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Speaker 3: And there's no assist right there, So.

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Speaker 2: Just go under assist under six and a half.

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Speaker 6: Sis, you can do that.

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Speaker 4: I could do that, and I might do that, but

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna go to a team total over you.

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Speaker 6: Okay.

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Speaker 4: It's been a consistent theme for the Pacers, and I

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Speaker 4: don't look for it to change change in Game seven.

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Speaker 4: The Pacers have not scored over forty five points in

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Speaker 4: the first half in any road game against Okase. They've

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Speaker 4: been a lot healthier in the second half. We'll discuss

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Speaker 4: this in greater lengths a little bit later in the show.

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Speaker 4: But I'm gonna go under. And it sounds gross. You

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Speaker 4: gotta plug your nose, but I'm gonna go under fifty

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Speaker 4: and a half points in the first half. Team total

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Speaker 4: for the Pacers under fifty and a half. They've gotten

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Speaker 4: out to slow starts. I don't see how all of

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Speaker 4: a sudden they're just flowing in the first half. They

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Speaker 4: haven't done it one game. They're gonna do it in

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Speaker 4: game seven. I'm skeptical. I'll take the underdeck all right.

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Speaker 8: How about this mini mega Let's add OKAC money line

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Speaker 8: to the parlay under Haliburton points, under top and threes

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Speaker 8: under Pacers team total four to one on MGA.

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Speaker 3: I am all for it. Let's do it. Let's spruce

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Speaker 3: it up. Oh, what is going on? We bit you

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Speaker 3: a fantastic Saturday morning. Huh?

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Speaker 4: I feel like I should do that in an English accent,

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Speaker 4: you know, bidding you a fantastic Saturday morning. Hey, be

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Speaker 4: sure to check out That's right. My English accent is

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Speaker 4: good for about three words and then it just completely slides.

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Speaker 4: Be sure to check out the Fox Sports Radio YouTube channel.

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Speaker 4: Just search Fox Sports Radio on YouTube and you'll see

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Speaker 4: a whole bunch of video highlights from our shows. Be

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Speaker 4: our Fox Sports Radio videos on YouTube. Okay, so a

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Speaker 4: lot of people have been subscribing to Indiana Fever highlights

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Speaker 4: because it was just a few days ago where.

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Speaker 3: There was drama, drama, drama.

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Speaker 4: And it has carried over like these highlights do not

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Speaker 4: die on x and social media platforms of Caitlin Clark

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Speaker 4: going toe to toe with the Connecticut's Sun collectively as

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Speaker 4: numerous players went over to challenge Caitlin Clark.

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Speaker 3: It happened where j. C.

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Speaker 4: Sheldon, she's a rookie for the Connecticut Son she was

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Speaker 4: swiping down on the ball and actually swiped down, accidentally

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Speaker 4: swiped down on Caitlyn's face, in particular her eyeball, you know.

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Speaker 4: And so Caitlyn staggering around like, oh, you just hit

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Speaker 4: me in the eye, and jac kind of like you know,

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Speaker 4: bodies up to her, and so Caitlyn pushes her away,

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Speaker 4: like I just got hit in the eye. Can you

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Speaker 4: give me a second? And then Marina Maybray came in

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Speaker 4: and just sort of bumped into her. So Caitlyn hit

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Speaker 4: the floor as a whole thing. And then later in

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Speaker 4: the game, Sophie Cunningham got some payback. There was a

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Speaker 4: fast break from J. C. Shelton again that rookie that

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Speaker 4: hit Caitlyn, and Sophie Cunningham pretty much went WWE on

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Speaker 4: Jce Shelton on a fast break, and there have been

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Speaker 4: highlights galore, like I look at my social media feed

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Speaker 4: and it is just Sophie Cunningham, Sophie Cunningham, Here's Caitlyn,

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Speaker 4: Here's Sophie. It's drama sells man, and this has been

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Speaker 4: fantastic for the WNBA. Maybe the league would love if

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Speaker 4: it was like, oh, here's a dazzling three pointer from

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Speaker 4: Caitlin Clark and that's what gets a million views and

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Speaker 4: that helps the ratings get even better. If I'm the WNBA,

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Speaker 4: whatever gets you in the tent, I'm all for. If

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Speaker 4: it happens to be drama and some soap opera stuff

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Speaker 4: and these players taking the cheap shots at Caitlin, so

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Speaker 4: be it, man, But I think it's great for the WNBA.

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Speaker 4: Whoever gets more interested and whoever samples it more due

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Speaker 4: to whatever reason, I think is good for the WNBA.

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Speaker 4: And listen, man, we love our drama mixed with sports. Otherwise,

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Speaker 4: these videos of Caitlin against the Sun or Sophie Cunningham

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Speaker 4: on a fast break opportunity like decleting someone, they'd get

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Speaker 4: seventeen views. They get millions of views, so we're eating.

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Speaker 3: This stuff up. We can't get enough.

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Speaker 7: You know what, I I'll disagree politely because I do

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Speaker 7: understand what you're saying, and I do in some ways

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Speaker 7: completely agree with what you're saying, Brian, Like, yeah, in

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Speaker 7: order to get an attention in a very split attention

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Speaker 7: economy that we have in this world now, not just

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Speaker 7: in this country, because obviously all these sports leagues can

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Speaker 7: can be h can garner world acclaim on social media

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Speaker 7: or regular transmitted media. I do look at what the

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Speaker 7: WNBA is doing, specifically with Kaitlyn Clark, and I admonish them.

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Speaker 7: I really do. I think they've they've bungled this from

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Speaker 7: the start. This has been an embarrassment. Caitlin Clark deserves better.

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Speaker 7: The league and its players deserve better. I mean, some

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Speaker 7: of the players, frankly are to blame for some of this,

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Speaker 7: There's no question about it. But Caitlin Clark is a

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Speaker 7: generational talent and they're treating this like she is.

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Speaker 6: A professional wrestler, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 7: Like, the most amount of attention that the WNBA has

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Speaker 7: been able to garner since Caitlyn Clark has joined their

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Speaker 7: ranks is by posing villain after heel after you know, weird.

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Speaker 7: You know, this should be called the ww WWEBA, it's

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Speaker 7: the Worldwide Wrestling Entertainment Basketball Association.

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Speaker 6: Because nobody's talking about the basketball.

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Speaker 7: Everybody's talking about the rivalry between Angel Reeves, who, as

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Speaker 7: it turns out, is a pretty bad basketball player, and

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Speaker 7: Kitlyn Clark last year. And now this dust up between

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Speaker 7: the Connecticut Sun and the Fever. It's all just nonsense.

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Speaker 7: It's all just noise, it's all just drama. Kaitlyn Clark, meanwhile,

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Speaker 7: is one of the best talents in basketball, period, full stop,

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Speaker 7: and we're getting mixed up with this crap.

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Speaker 6: That's what it is.

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Speaker 7: It's crap, it's popcorn, it's it's what you chew on

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Speaker 7: while you're watching the main event. It's all nonsense. They

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Speaker 7: can't find a way to practically market her, so what

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Speaker 7: they're doing is they're making a side show out of her,

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Speaker 7: and it's an embarrassment. It's an embarrassment to her talent,

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Speaker 7: it's an embarrassment to the w NBA that they haven't

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Speaker 7: found a better vehicle to market her talents. Instead, they're

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Speaker 7: marketing drama. They become pedlars of this nonsense in filth,

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Speaker 7: and frankly, I'm not interested in it. I'm tuning in

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Speaker 7: to Game seven of the NBA to see the drama

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Speaker 7: of basketball. Okay, doesn't matter men's or women. I'm tuning

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Speaker 7: in to see the drama of basketball, to see the

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Speaker 7: drama of sport. If a fight breaks out in the

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Speaker 7: middle of that, that's a side story to the drama

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Speaker 7: and the prestige it that we all bear witness too.

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Speaker 7: The WNBA has completely missed the mark with this whole

869
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 7: Caitlin Clark culture that they've created, and it's nauseating and

870
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 7: it's a bunch of people trying to claw at fame

871
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 7: alongside of her by taking Potch's They should be embarrassed.

872
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, my opinions on this story have kind of changed

873
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 8: over the last few days. Like when you first watch it,

874
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 8: I had Rich's reaction, like, I can't believe the WNBA

875
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 8: is continuing to mishandle their star.

876
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 2: Why is she not getting more protection?

877
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 8: Why did not like the Maybury girl that bumped her,

878
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 8: Like I thought the foul where she got swiped in

879
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 8: the face like that was just like a flagrant fowl

880
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 8: and I think it should have been adjudicated as such.

881
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 8: I thought the bump afterwards where Maybury came in and

882
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 8: just gave her the old chest bump and then she

883
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 8: fell to the floor, that should have been an ejection

884
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 8: immediately way after the play, completely uncalled for. It was

885
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 8: obvious that Maybury, who was kind of a journeyman, journey

886
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 8: woman veteran, you know, taking her shot at the New

887
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 8: Star like that, Like it was obvious what that was.

888
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: That should have been an injection.

889
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 8: And then I had a chance to kind of marinate

890
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 8: on the story, and then the Sophie Cunningham angle emerged,

891
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 8: and I started to similar to how I did Game

892
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 8: six Pacers Thunder. My first initial reaction was, man, the

893
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 8: thunder really late in egg tonight negative? And then I

894
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 8: was like, well, maybe I should be talking about Indiana's

895
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 8: amazing defensive performance. And now Mark Dagnall said after the

896
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 8: game or in a halftime, they're guarding us at a

897
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 8: level we've never seen before.

898
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to adjust.

899
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 8: Then I look towards the Sophie Cunningham angle and I

900
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 8: started to find that silver lining. Finally, the Indiana Fever

901
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 8: hired a coach and put some players around Caitlyn Clark,

902
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 8: where at a rich's point, the basketball might be better,

903
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 8: Like the Fever are one of the best teams in

904
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 8: the league this year, they might be in the finals

905
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 8: and then we're going to get a chance to watch

906
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 8: them on that big stage. Sophie Cunningham coming to the

907
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 8: aid of Caitlan Clark turned her into an overnight sensation.

908
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 8: She's now the second most popular player in the sport.

909
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 8: She has over a million followers on TikTok. She gained

910
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:07,959
Speaker 8: over five hundred thousand followers in forty eight hours from

911
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 8: that moment. So yes, I agree on the surface level

912
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 8: where no, like there's no such thing as bad publicity.

913
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 2: I hear that all the time.

914
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 8: I think there's a limit to that, and we're getting

915
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 8: to that limit where we need to clean up what's

916
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 8: happening in the WNBA and we need to protect Caitlyn

917
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 8: Clark a little bit. But there's also this angle of

918
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 8: new emerging star on this elite team with Let's be honest,

919
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 8: is anyone more marketable? Is anyone more popular or famous

920
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 8: in all of sports right now than Caitlin Clark. She

921
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 8: might be the most famous athlete on the planet. And

922
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 8: I think if we can continue to build around her

923
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 8: like a Pippin, like a Rodman, right, like a Phil Jackson,

924
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 8: and all of a sudden.

925
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: You build this team.

926
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 8: Maybe in a few months, when we get to the

927
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 8: WNBA finals, we will be talking about the basketball. But

928
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 8: right now, I agree Rich, it is kind of it's

929
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 8: kind of like a soap opera, and I do think

930
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 8: we are building a story that might have a very

931
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 8: exciting ending in a few months.

932
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 4: I'm going to disagree with the disagreement respectfully, of course,

933
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 4: with Rich pushing back of me, which is fine. It's

934
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 4: not the WNBA that's just fanning the flames and all

935
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 4: the drama you just look at, just go through WNBA

936
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 4: on X. It's not like, oh, look at this highlight,

937
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 4: look at Sophie Cunningham, shove this girl to the floor.

938
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 3: You know, oh look at this.

939
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 4: We got some drama between Caitlin Clark and the Connecticut son.

940
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 3: It's not the.

941
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 4: WNBA that's like shoving it in our faces and like, oh,

942
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 4: you're eating this up. We'll give you more, we'll give you.

943
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 4: It's them promoting the sport of basketball. But here's the thing,

944
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 4: no one cares we're about the drama. We're like, oh,

945
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 4: give us more. Oh, you see Sophie Cunningham. No one's like, yeah,

946
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 4: I don't care about that. Let me see a fifteen

947
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 4: foot mid range shot from Sophie. That's what I'm in

948
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 4: the market for. Like, no one's going out there for that.

949
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 4: But to the WNBA's credit, if you want to look

950
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 4: at it like that, if you're against the so called

951
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,439
Speaker 4: popcorn the drama, they're not putting it out there left

952
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 4: and right. It's if you just pay attention to who's

953
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 4: putting out the videos. It's a bunch of like media

954
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 4: guys and fans that are like, oh did you see that?

955
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 4: It's not the WNB WNBA that's doing that. So if

956
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 4: anybody's to blame for the drama, it's the player's one

957
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 4: hundred percent. And I don't know what you would want

958
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,439
Speaker 4: the league to do about it. It goes back to even

959
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 4: last year, right, like the comments against Angel against Caitlin Clark.

960
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 3: This was Angel Reese last year, last June. This is

961
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 3: over a year ago.

962
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 4: Talking about why people watch the WNBA.

963
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 3: Just listen to this real quick.

964
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 2: I'll look back at twenty years and be like, yeah,

965
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 2: the reason why we watching women's basketball is not just

966
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 2: because of one person.

967
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 6: It's because of me too, And I want you to realize.

968
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 4: That that is going how so many players in the

969
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 4: WNBA feel where it's like, it's not just Caitlyn, it's

970
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 4: also me.

971
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 3: It's also recognized me, give me some attention. I need attention.

972
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 3: I want attention to That's what it is. And you

973
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 3: hit on that rich where it's a.

974
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 4: Bunch of girls that want that shine, that are trying to,

975
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 4: you know, maybe forearm shove Caitlin to the floor and

976
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 4: maybe get a little bit of that shine. And it's ridiculous,

977
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 4: but it's not the WNBA that shoving it into your face.

978
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 3: If you want to blame the WNBA, I don't know.

979
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 4: Maybe they could police it a little bit more where

980
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 4: like Jared said, Marina Maybrey gets ejected right away, or

981
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 4: you find a player or two that says something critical

982
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 4: about Caitlin. You can't even really do that though, So

983
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 4: I don't think the WNBA is to blame at all.

984
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 4: It's that there are a bunch of jealous players that

985
00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 4: want the attention Caitlyn gets. It couldn't be more obvious.

986
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 4: That's what's going on here, and that's what fans the

987
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 4: dramatic flames. That's where it comes from.

988
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, inarguably accurate that part of it. There's no doubt

989
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 7: people eat this stuff up. It gets people talking, there's

990
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 7: no question about that. But where the WNBA is compliant

991
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 7: and responsible in some aspects for what's happening to Caitlin

992
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 7: Clark and I do mean what's happening to her is

993
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 7: in my opinion, she's being targeted, just like you said,

994
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 7: just like anybody who's been watching these games. And by

995
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 7: the way, I don't watch WNBA games. It's not all

996
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 7: that interesting to me. In passing sometimes I have this on.

997
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 7: I see the clips, just like most people absorb the WNBA.

998
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:47,919
Speaker 6: Their ratings aren't good.

999
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 7: And frankly it's because it's not a very polished product.

1000
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 7: Yet it's on its way. I'll tell you right now

1001
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 7: it looks better than.

1002
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 6: It used to.

1003
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 7: And the Caitlin Clark era I thought was going to

1004
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,439
Speaker 7: drum up a lot more interest, and I think they've

1005
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,240
Speaker 7: completely mishandled it. And I think part of the reason

1006
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 7: is exactly what you said. Angel Rees has targeted her.

1007
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 7: Now you're seeing it happen on different teams. You're seeing

1008
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 7: other players realize, oh, here's a good strategy for me

1009
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 7: to go bonkers viral on social media. Let me put

1010
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 7: a forearm on her neck, let me knock her over,

1011
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 7: let me poke her in that, let me get in

1012
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 7: her face, let me try to get my shine by

1013
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 7: trying to rub off some of hers. It's an embarrassment,

1014
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 7: and you're right, the WNBA should step in. That's the

1015
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 7: way they get involved. Okay, Look, we all complain about it.

1016
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 6: In other sports.

1017
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 7: There's these protected calves, you know what I mean, Like

1018
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 7: you look at you, and I'm talking about you know,

1019
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 7: obviously using a religious reference to Buddhism, like you know,

1020
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 7: the sacred cows, like you have. You have this situation

1021
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 7: where Lebron James gets every single call when he drives

1022
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 7: the lane and he's he's the flo and everybody complains

1023
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 7: about that, but guess what, he's box office and the

1024
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 7: league knows it. The same happened for Kobe James. Harden

1025
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 7: literally won an MVP off of four point plays because

1026
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 7: he was bumping into people on purpose.

1027
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 6: And scoring three pointers. You know what I mean.

1028
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,919
Speaker 7: I mean before that, in the nineties, it was hack

1029
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 7: a shack that the w or excuse me, that the.

1030
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 6: NBA got rid of you know what I mean.

1031
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 7: They realized, Hey, Shaquille O'Neil's terrible foul shooter, let's just

1032
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 7: foul the living dog bleep out of him and let's

1033
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 7: get him to the line. It made for boring basketball.

1034
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 7: It affected the competitiveness of the league. So the league

1035
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,919
Speaker 7: stepped in and said, Hey, next person who fouled shack

1036
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,439
Speaker 7: like that, we're going to give you personals. We're gonna

1037
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 7: get you ejected from the game. We're going to put

1038
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 7: you in foul trouble. We're gonna put you in the box. Okay,

1039
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 7: that's how you handle situations like that. You don't just

1040
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 7: let it continue on. Eventually, what's going to happen is

1041
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 7: Caitlin Clark is going to get shoved to the court.

1042
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 7: She's gonna fracture her patella, and she's gonna be out.

1043
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 7: And then what are you gonna do? Don't cry boohoo

1044
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 7: tears to meet WNBA when you star player gets bodied

1045
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,720
Speaker 7: by somebody who's looking for some of the social media

1046
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 7: shine that now two players have gotten from roughing her

1047
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 7: up like hockey goons and complain to us about how

1048
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 7: nobody's tuning in.

1049
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 6: It's just nonsense. They've completely mishandled this.

1050
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 7: Instead of leaning into the brilliant, talented player that she is,

1051
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 7: they have gone the opposite. They've turned this into a

1052
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 7: wrestling side show, and it's an embarrassment. You either protect

1053
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 7: Caitlin Clark, you do a better job of marketing her talents,

1054
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 7: or you get to have the business of running a

1055
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 7: league all together. Just fire everybody and start from scratch

1056
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 7: at the league office level.

1057
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 8: It's terrible. It's a bad product. It definitely is a

1058
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 8: tough watch. And we thought Brian were hanging out last night.

1059
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 8: By the way, Shoutoutcavin on Rich twenty years. We're hanging

1060
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 8: out with them last night. They had an awesome party.

1061
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 8: Congrats on a great career for them that's still going.

1062
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 2: The It's a tough watch. The reason why I watch

1063
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 2: it is because I bet on it.

1064
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 8: It's not something that I enjoy doing because it can

1065
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 8: be a little rough around the edges and it's not

1066
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 8: you know, it's a game that's played below the rim.

1067
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 8: I just don't know what else the league is supposed

1068
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 8: to do outside of the refs.

1069
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 2: Being very tight with the whistle.

1070
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 8: I think that's what will happen eventually, Like maybe should

1071
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 8: have been tossed from that game period.

1072
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 2: End of story.

1073
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, that that is why it got out of hand,

1074
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 8: because then Sophie Cunningham felt the need to respond because

1075
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 8: the refs did not respond, and again credit to Sophie.

1076
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 8: I think that's the silver lining of this entire story

1077
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 8: is Sophie Cunningham is now the second brightest star in

1078
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 8: the sport because she was the first person willing to

1079
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 8: come to the aid of the brightest star. Smart move

1080
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 8: by her, because she's getting the attention for a positive reason,

1081
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 8: whereas some of the other players like Angel Reaes and

1082
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 8: Marina maybe are getting attention for negative reasons.

1083
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 2: That comes off as jealousy.

1084
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 8: What Sophie did was it came off as like a

1085
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 8: lot of people related to that. That's why her TikTok

1086
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 8: took off. That's why she is now going to probably

1087
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 8: get a ton of endorsement deals and a ton of

1088
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 8: attention because people relate to that. People relate to, Hey,

1089
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 8: they're picking on my little sister. I'm gonna go shove

1090
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 8: this person in the playground because I'm standing up for

1091
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 8: my people.

1092
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 2: People relate to that.

1093
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 8: That is a human story that took place on the court,

1094
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 8: and I think those are the kinds of stories, albeit

1095
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 8: originating from a negative place, that can help move the

1096
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 8: needle in favor of the WNBA. It's insane. The ratings

1097
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 8: drop fifty percent without Caitlin Clark. We've never seen anything

1098
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 8: like this, And I got pushed back, well, MJ had

1099
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 8: the same thing.

1100
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 2: He had the MJ rules when he was coming up.

1101
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 8: When MJ missed the game, the ratings didn't drop fifty percent.

1102
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 8: The NBA was already an established product when MJ was

1103
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 8: in the league. Yes, he took it to a new level,

1104
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 8: but there was Bird and Magic and Kareem and Will

1105
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 8: and Bill Russell, like there were stars in the NBA.

1106
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 2: That took it to a high level. And then MJ

1107
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 2: raised it. When he missed the game, the Bulls ratings

1108
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 2: didn't drop fifty percent.

1109
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 8: I mean, they might have dropped, but that is an insane,

1110
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 8: insane decline for one player. Like I said earlier, there

1111
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 8: is not a person on the planet right now that

1112
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 8: moves the needle more than Caitlin Clark in the athletic space.

1113
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 8: I don't want to go into the politics or news

1114
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 8: or anything like that. She is the most influential athlete

1115
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 8: on the planet, A female basketball player. Those are the

1116
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 8: facts I think, and maybe you can debate them. But

1117
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 8: I think the way that we continue to move the

1118
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 8: needle in forward of the WNBA is just to keep

1119
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 8: the conversation going. Yes, we need to keep it under control.

1120
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 8: We can't have roller Derby breaking out, which is why

1121
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 8: Mabors should have been tossed from the game. But I

1122
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 8: do think some of this friction is good for the

1123
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 8: sport net positive.

1124
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, it sells. I do think it's good overall

1125
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 4: for the sport. And that's the wild thing to me

1126
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 4: is I've never seen a league, and I'm not talking

1127
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 4: about rich Is holding the w NBA kind of bow.

1128
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 4: I don't nearly as much as I do the w

1129
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 4: NBA players. I've never seen a league take it superstar

1130
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 4: completely for granted, until now with Caitlin Clark and the

1131
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 4: other players in the league, where there's nothing even comparable

1132
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 4: to it. She's the Golden Goose and they act like

1133
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 4: she's just this I don't know, this, like nose hair

1134
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 4: they can't get rid of, Like oh my gosh, this

1135
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 4: freaking thing, like it's right at the back.

1136
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 6: It's like the one gray hair they're trying to pluck.

1137
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 7: You know what I mean, Like they just catch it

1138
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 7: in the mirror in a certain light and they're like,

1139
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 7: is is there any way we can get rid of

1140
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 7: our what an annoyance? And it's like no, no, no, no, no, no, Yeah,

1141
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 7: that's the shine you've been searching for this whole time.

1142
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 4: And that's the difference. Is No one's saying treat with

1143
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 4: kid gloves. No one's saying don't foller hard, like compete.

1144
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 4: But there's a line that's been crossed time and time again.

1145
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 2: Maybrey just that was the line. Maybrey crossed the line.

1146
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 4: All right, So we've got rich Heidberger, Penn State All American,

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Speaker 4: Game seven and beyond, maybe the Club World Cup. Maybe

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Speaker 6: It is gone out of the ballpark. Cal Rally has

1167
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Speaker 6: done it.

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Speaker 8: He stands alone the most first half home runs for

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Speaker 8: a catcher in baseball history.

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Speaker 3: I have a confession. I'm such an idiot man.

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Speaker 4: I thought for a second that Korn was playing at

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Speaker 4: the game because Chris turned it down so much. I'm like,

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Speaker 4: holy cow, that's Korn was playing in the Mariners all right, No,

1174
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:51,720
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Speaker 4: on countdown. Okay, good morning Seamus, Hope all as well

1186
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 4: with you game seven tomorrow night. What's the first thing

1187
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 4: that you have circled in terms of how you approach

1188
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 4: this game from betting standpoint side total prop What are

1189
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 4: you thinking here?

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01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 10: Hey, guy's going to be back as always, and I

1191
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 10: think you can shut a look at the spread off

1192
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 10: the open. I mean this opening up as high as

1193
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,959
Speaker 10: nine and a half with us briefly that before being

1194
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 10: sharply bent down to the current seven and a half

1195
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 10: right now. So I think that definitely sticks out the

1196
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 10: most as far as the total goes. You do have

1197
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 10: we haven't moved that much by some spots to open

1198
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 10: like a two thirteen and a half. A few spots

1199
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 10: are two fifteen. We're still on a two fourteen and

1200
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 10: a half at minus one fifteen to the over. But

1201
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 10: I think that the side does you know, it is intriguing.

1202
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 10: There is some interest on the Pacers, and certainly from

1203
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 10: our book standpoint, there is. We're taking a lot more

1204
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 10: money on the Pacers on the money line, and so

1205
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 10: far we're getting a little lopsided on the Pacers sprint.

1206
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 9: Hmmm.

1207
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 2: Wow.

1208
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 8: That kind of scares me, though, if I do want

1209
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 8: to bet Indiana that, you know, a public dog in

1210
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 8: game seven is definitely something to.

1211
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 2: Keep your eye on.

1212
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 8: I mean, to be honest with you, the way I

1213
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 8: see it, Jams, if we get a seven that flashes

1214
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 8: and I see one of them out there here in Vegas,

1215
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 8: but MGM is still at seven and a half, you

1216
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 8: would imagine at some point, I mean, the Thunder had

1217
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 8: been eight, nine, ten, eleven. They were I think an

1218
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 8: eleven point favorite in Game two at home. They've been

1219
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 8: almost double digit favorite at home almost every game in

1220
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 8: the postseason. You would imagine if we see a seven,

1221
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 8: which is I think a second very key in the NBA,

1222
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 8: We're going to see some pretty heavy Thunder money come

1223
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:04,479
Speaker 8: in at some point, right.

1224
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 10: I think you're right, especially with the you know, concerns

1225
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 10: about Halliburton's need, So I think we I personally don't

1226
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 10: think we're going to see this move anymore. I think

1227
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 10: this is the lowest you'll see it go for the

1228
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 10: exact reason you just said. I feel like that would

1229
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 10: be a pretty overstated move in my opinion.

1230
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, you mentioned Haliburton with the lower body injury. How

1231
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 7: much has his injury situation affected props and specifically people's

1232
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 7: willingness to take props on Haliburton or have the unders

1233
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 7: flourished as a result.

1234
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 10: The best part about you know, sports betting here is

1235
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 10: you know, it's pretty young in the States, and as

1236
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 10: the more you know sports betting growth, people realize it's

1237
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 10: an opportunity when a guy like Halliburton is a little

1238
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 10: banged up. That's why we're seeing a lot of money

1239
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 10: come in on TJ mcconnells score tens plus points in

1240
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 10: this game seven Obi toppin. We're starting to see him

1241
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 10: get a lot of action on his points. Prop Nemhard

1242
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:14,479
Speaker 10: He's seen some action as well, So that's definitely where

1243
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 10: we're starting to see some of the money go. Because

1244
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 10: the haliber and prop is definitely it's not like it's

1245
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 10: getting slammed with under money. It's just hasn't really been

1246
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 10: touched very much by the public so far.

1247
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 4: You know, Seamus, when you look at Just Game seven individually,

1248
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 4: it can differ for you guys at at MGM what

1249
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 4: you're looking at from a futures market standpoint, right, So,

1250
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 4: is there a way for you guys.

1251
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 3: To thread the needle ever so carefully.

1252
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 4: Where you just come out smelling like a rose on

1253
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,959
Speaker 4: both ends in terms of Just Game seven and also

1254
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 4: the futures market, we're already looking great.

1255
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 10: I mean, like I said last week, we took a

1256
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 10: lot of money over the counter in our retail spots

1257
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 10: on the Thunder to really really put us in a

1258
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 10: great futures position here. Even the Thunder, even like the

1259
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 10: Pacers money line being a you know, a negative outcome

1260
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 10: on the game book, we make enough back on the Pacers'

1261
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 10: futures book that we're really just hoping we see a

1262
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 10: really high handle for this game. And uh, you know,

1263
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 10: we get a Sunday night tip. So I think it

1264
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 10: should be a really really nice looking book for us.

1265
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 2: Come tip off, Seamus.

1266
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 8: We're just having a pretty in depth discussion on the

1267
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 8: WNBA and and where things land with the Caitlin Clark drama.

1268
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 8: Have you noticed an increase in handle this week? On

1269
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 8: w NBA games based off of what we saw the

1270
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 8: roller derby that took place between Clark and the Connecticut

1271
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 8: Sun the other night.

1272
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 10: And we're starting to get to that place already in

1273
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 10: the season where you know, Hopey's over NBA. There's just

1274
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 10: one game a week, so people turn their schedules to

1275
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 10: the w NBA. And it's definitely in the case the

1276
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 10: last two years. Really we saw our WNBA book really

1277
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 10: take off last year and this year is no exception.

1278
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 10: I think a couple of weeks Clark missed with our injury,

1279
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 10: we definitely saw you know, less interest. But this week

1280
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 10: definitely it's it's a lot of it. It's a lot

1281
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 10: more money than we're used to seeing on the WNBA

1282
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 10: pour in and you know, WNBA executive probably don't think

1283
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 10: it's great that, you know, there's all these you know,

1284
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 10: technical files and Slager valves being the subject of the game,

1285
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 10: but it's certainly drawing eyeballs and it's certainly drawing Betty Handle.

1286
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, that's an interesting take that I never

1287
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 7: really considered him And like Jared pointed out, we were

1288
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 7: just chewing it up over you know, the treatment of

1289
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 7: Kaylin Clark and the attention the WNBA is getting. Is

1290
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 7: it positive as a negative? But you just you just

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Speaker 7: opened my mind to something I was not thinking about.

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Speaker 7: The window when certain sports seasons and an interest. I mean,

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Speaker 7: obviously we live in an attention economy needs to be

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01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 7: drummed up somewhere somehow for sport that is, you know,

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01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:57,719
Speaker 7: entering into the prime time of its season.

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Speaker 6: We see this with golf, like all of a.

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Speaker 7: Sudden, there's the stirring controversy between a couple of players

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Speaker 7: leading into a major, or you know, there's big news

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Speaker 7: about you know, a massive trade you know just steeped

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Speaker 7: in the middle of the NBA postseason. I mean, we

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01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 7: just had we just had a little bit of that.

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01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 7: Do you do you think do you think sports leagues

1303
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 7: and I mean this sounds a little too calculated, but

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01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 7: or do you think sports writers may be or is

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01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,440
Speaker 7: there any I don't want to call it a conspiracy,

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01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 7: but is there any effort to push things into the limelight,

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01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 7: to get the handle up at some of these books,

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01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 7: to get interest up on some of these sports at

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Speaker 7: different windows of time during the the I guess the

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Speaker 7: collaboration of sports seasons.

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Speaker 10: He listen, We're we got fives and ears. Just like

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Speaker 10: everyone else. You know what people are watching, we know

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01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 10: what they're reading, we know what the big stories are.

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01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 10: And of course when you get to the summertime, it's

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Speaker 10: WNBA on every day. You know, I come on the

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01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 10: radio and I try to tell you guys to on

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01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 10: under twenty one soccer every week. But yeah, like it's

1318
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 10: this is the thing that we have to keep track of.

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01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:14,680
Speaker 10: We can't just post you know, college football mac win

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Speaker 10: totals on the homepage every week just so people want to,

1321
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 10: you know, tie their money up on the Buffalo Bulls

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01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 10: over seven and a half wins very month. A lot

1323
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 10: of people they want something to bet on today. And

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01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 10: you know this is this is the hand where Dell

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Speaker 10: and the WNBA is really starting to get some attention.

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Speaker 10: A lot of us to do with Katelin Bark and

1327
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 10: the Indiana fever.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely all right, Well, you kind of tease us with

1329
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Speaker 4: under twenty one, So I don't know if that's where

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01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 4: you're taking us for the shame as special today.

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Speaker 3: What do you have for.

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Speaker 10: Us, guys? There's a very finely curiated play today, hours

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01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 10: of research into this pick. But there's this guy. He

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01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 10: plays baseball out in Los Angeles. People are going to

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Speaker 10: crucify for you. This I'm letting account of the bag.

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01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 10: But this guy show, Hey, Otani, I've heard of him.

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Speaker 10: That's good for you. He's gonna he's gonna hit a

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Speaker 10: home run tonight plus what best on? So I I

1339
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 10: do think he is going to go yard tonight for

1340
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Speaker 10: the Dodgers.

1341
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 8: Wow, all right, fair enough, Producer Benson would love that

1342
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 8: you've got.

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Speaker 3: You've gone from metal underground.

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01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 4: To like, I don't know, like swift right now. Yeah,

1345
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 4: nothing wrong with that, Seamous, and keep us guessing, man,

1346
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 4: But hey, always good to catch up with you.

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01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 3: Hope you have a great day. We'll catch you soon.

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01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 10: Man, A man of taste over here. Guys, have a

1349
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 10: good weekend, love it.

1350
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 3: Man, you too.

1351
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 4: There he is Seamous McGee, team lead of sports trading

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Speaker 4: at bet MGM.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff. Hey.

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Speaker 4: By the way, you know, uh, while we're talking about

1355
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 4: like the w n b A the Caitlin Effect ratings,

1356
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 4: it made me think of the Stanley Cup final.

1357
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 3: And this is I don't know how to.

1358
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 4: Discuss this without making it sound like we're, you know,

1359
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 4: dropping the people's elbow on hockey as a whole. But

1360
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 4: the ratings were freaking brutal.

1361
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 3: Have you seen this the.

1362
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:07,679
Speaker 2: Game later in the series.

1363
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 4: The later games were rough, but yeah, I don't see

1364
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 4: how you had what three overtime games?

1365
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:15,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, early on they were great.

1366
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:17,520
Speaker 3: They were unbelievable.

1367
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 4: Three of the first four games were off the charts

1368
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 4: and uh the average was two point five million viewers

1369
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 4: on TNT and the the series clinching game six win

1370
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 4: for the Panthers two point eight million people tuning in.

1371
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 4: It's like the NFL would start cutting themselves if the

1372
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 4: draft ratings looked like that. This is the Stanley Cup

1373
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 4: freaking final over here. And the thing, I'm not trying

1374
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 4: to like talk trash about hockey.

1375
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,719
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking, like, as a sports fan.

1376
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 4: I'm not a big hockey guy, but I was watching

1377
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 4: the Stanley Cup Final a lot. It's like, as a

1378
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 4: sports fan, how are you just complete letely Like, yeah, no,

1379
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 4: completely tuned out. I just don't understand that, especially if

1380
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 4: you start seeing some highlights or whatever social media starts seeing.

1381
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 4: Look at this goal with twenty seconds left to force overtime, Like,

1382
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 4: how do you not catch wind of that and tune

1383
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 4: in for a little bit? It blows my mind. I

1384
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 4: don't get it.

1385
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 7: It is the lack of market interest. I mean, really,

1386
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 7: you know, the NBA is struggling with similar problems, not

1387
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 7: the same. Obviously they're better ratings, but not when you

1388
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 7: compare it to other sports leagues, and not when you

1389
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 7: compare it to other markets who have been represented in

1390
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 7: NBA finals and recently. I mean, the problem with an

1391
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 7: OKCE Indiana Pacers' final is the market size. Even with

1392
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 7: great interest in these market markets, you could you could

1393
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 7: have poor interest in an LA market just La. I'm

1394
01:13:56,040 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 7: discluding an opponent, and it would trump the type of

1395
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:05,560
Speaker 7: ratings that you're getting overall in these finals. And that's

1396
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 7: an enormous problem with sports now. You obviously want a

1397
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 7: cater tall fans. You want to have a parody in

1398
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 7: a league where a small market team with a lower

1399
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 7: you know, with a lower level of national interest can

1400
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 7: have a chance to win a championship. And I think

1401
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 7: the NBA has done a pretty nice job of that overall,

1402
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 7: I really do. But the unfortunate reality that you will

1403
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 7: suffer occasionally is where you get two smaller market teams

1404
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 7: not drumming up the type of national interests you were

1405
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:38,719
Speaker 7: hoping for. When you have the culmination of your league's efforts.

1406
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:43,520
Speaker 7: And yeah, the Stanley Cup Final and the NBA Finals,

1407
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 7: the ratings are going to be historically low as a result.

1408
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 8: How about this June fourteenth, Indiana fever, Caitlin Clark's return

1409
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 8: against the New York Liberty TV ratings on ESPN two

1410
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 8: point two million, And you said the Stanley Cup fin

1411
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 8: the clinching game from two point eight two point eight.

1412
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 2: Wow, there's your perspective right there.

1413
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 10: Man.

1414
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, to Rich when you threw that out there about

1415
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 4: just like say the LA market, if they're just like

1416
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 4: not into it. I used to think that you're kind

1417
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 4: of just doing it wrong.

1418
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 3: And then I.

1419
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 4: Learned, like I did radio in upstate New York all

1420
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 4: but in New York, great area, great.

1421
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 3: Sports town, they don't care about college football.

1422
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 4: I remember one of the costs when I got there,

1423
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,599
Speaker 4: They're like, yeah, they really don't care about college football.

1424
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 4: And I remember thinking you must not be talking about it, right,

1425
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 4: There's no way, And then I quickly found out like, yeah,

1426
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 4: he's right, they don't care.

1427
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 3: It was unbelievable, Like.

1428
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 2: They don't care about bills.

1429
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, they don't care about it all Portland, you know,

1430
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 8: it blow my mind right.

1431
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 4: I'd go in after the college football National Championship game

1432
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:55,679
Speaker 4: the night before and people are like, yeah, I didn't

1433
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 4: see it.

1434
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:58,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, what you didn't? You didn't so are you

1435
01:15:58,720 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 3: doing your hair?

1436
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 6: What were you?

1437
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:03,679
Speaker 2: The regional bias about sports is real. It is real.

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01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 4: It's it's amazing, man, it really is. But I learned

1439
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:09,200
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Speaker 4: Alrighty the betting market. Jared, we start with you. What

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Speaker 2: Talk about I will have some baseball props at some

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Speaker 8: Oh maybe some WNBA props, maybe over technical fouls for

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Speaker 8: the game Caitlyn Clarks plays in next.

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Speaker 2: That'll be fun if they ever gave us that market.

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Speaker 8: All right, I'm gonna do something I haven't done in

1474
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:40,599
Speaker 8: a few weeks, which is not give you. Jalen Williams

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01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 8: over four and a half asays, I've lost two straight

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01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 8: games with this one, and I think in general, Jalen

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Speaker 8: Williams becoming more of a score frankly than a distributor

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01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 8: in the later.

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Speaker 2: Parts of this series.

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Speaker 6: That could flip back.

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01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 8: In Game seven tomorrow night, but I think that number

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01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:54,919
Speaker 8: has been priced correctly.

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01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 6: Now.

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01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 8: I'm not as bullish on over four and a half

1485
01:17:57,280 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 8: as I have been in games past. Here's what I

1486
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 8: am bullish on SGA in a bounce back game. We

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01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 8: mentioned the thunder of six and zero straight up following

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Speaker 8: a loss in this postseason. In those six games, SGA

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01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:12,640
Speaker 8: averaging almost thirty four points per game. In five of

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01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 8: the six he scored thirty four or more. He had

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01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 8: one outlier game twenty five points Game four at Denver,

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01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 8: but Oklahoma City only scored ninety two in that game,

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01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 8: so he still accounted for almost thirty percent of the

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01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 8: team scoring.

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01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 2: So here's what I'm gonna do.

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01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 8: SGA to score thirty and the thunder to win. That

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01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 8: is minus one thirty over at bet MGM. So it's

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01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 8: a little bit of a mini parlay platter. But SGA

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01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:36,639
Speaker 8: bounce back game thunder win and he gets to thirty

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01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 8: points or more right.

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01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 6: I like that out of a lot.

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01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,680
Speaker 7: Okay, a little bit of a correlated play here on

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01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:46,720
Speaker 7: the parlay platter, I gave you under fifteen and a

1504
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 7: half from Tyrese Haliburton, so correlated to that Obi toppin

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01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:55,679
Speaker 7: I think he's going to go over ten points. He's

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01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 7: done so in the past three games against Okay See

1507
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 7: his last performance obviously with twenty So give me Topping

1508
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 7: over ten points. I think this is a steal. I

1509
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,600
Speaker 7: think the ball has to be distributed elsewhere. If you

1510
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 7: think Tyresee is gonna be slowed by his injury, and

1511
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 7: I do.

1512
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm thinking along the same lines Rich where I'm

1513
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:20,679
Speaker 4: looking at Halliburton. I like a combo prop under twenty

1514
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 4: two and a half points and assists You like the

1515
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 4: actual combos. I would go like Pepperoni pizza flavored with

1516
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 4: one of my favorites, but big go combo over here

1517
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 4: where I think that Halliburton's going to struggle doing both.

1518
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 4: I think okc's defense is going to be a.

1519
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 3: Royal pain in Game seven, and so.

1520
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 4: I think scoring is going to be problematic for Halliburton,

1521
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 4: and I think distributing is not gonna be easy either,

1522
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 4: because you I'm sure he's gonna have some nice passes,

1523
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 4: but maybe it's for a makeable three you know, good

1524
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 4: look and it just rims out.

1525
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:58,719
Speaker 3: It's game seven. It's tougher to make these shots.

1526
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 4: So I think that Halliburton under twenty two and a

1527
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:05,639
Speaker 4: half points and assists is a solid play. I'm really

1528
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 4: curious how many minutes he gets. You only got twenty

1529
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 4: three minutes last game. In Game six, they didn't play

1530
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 4: much in the second half, which made sense they had

1531
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 4: such a big lead. But I wonder if Carlisle's able to,

1532
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:21,519
Speaker 4: like what's maxing out Halliburton in minutes. I really don't

1533
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 4: know how much he has in the tank with the

1534
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,680
Speaker 4: strain cap. So I'll take under twenty two and a

1535
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:26,679
Speaker 4: half points in assists.

1536
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 2: I like that angle right there.

1537
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 4: We've got to be a lot more on Game seven

1538
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 4: around the corner.

1539
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 3: I'm glad you're on board.

1540
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 11: Very nice like it.

1541
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:42,599
Speaker 3: What's the formula to win it all? Oh, good morning, Helpe.

1542
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 4: Your Saturday is off to a fantastic start. What does

1543
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 4: college football have to do with Game seven of the

1544
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 4: NBA Finals.

1545
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 3: You might say nothing.

1546
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 4: I'd say something. I say something. I'll throw that your

1547
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 4: way in just a couple of seconds. Hey, you can

1548
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 4: stream the show and all of our Fox Sports radio

1549
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 4: shows live twenty four to seven in the new and

1550
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 4: improved iHeartRadio app. Just search Fox Sports Radio in the

1551
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 4: app to stream us live. And one of the newest

1552
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 4: features in the app is that you can select Fox

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01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 4: Sports Radio as one of your presets, just like the

1554
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 4: presets on a radio dial.

1555
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 3: So be sure to preset Fox Sports.

1556
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 4: Radio in the iHeartRadio app and it'll always pop up

1557
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 4: top of your screen.

1558
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 3: Beautiful right there.

1559
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 4: Okay, so before we get to the formula, the formula

1560
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:31,879
Speaker 4: to win it all, Patty was mocking my teas.

1561
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 3: A little bit right there.

1562
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 4: A trusted producer is like, you know, who's gonna I'm

1563
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 4: like curveball. It's not who's gonna win it all in

1564
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 4: game seven, it's who's gonna win it all? Making an

1565
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 4: award winning keish. You know, you didn't even realize that's

1566
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 4: where we're going. We go cur now, I'm just kidding.

1567
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:51,640
Speaker 4: We'll get to the formula to win game seven momentarily.

1568
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 4: But a lot of people they're like me with eating.

1569
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 4: I don't like my food to touch. I eat like

1570
01:21:57,800 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 4: a you know, a two year old. All right, well

1571
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 4: that's a little young, like a seven year old. I

1572
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 4: don't like things touching. A lot of people feel like

1573
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 4: that about their sports, especially sports comparisons. I love making

1574
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 4: comparisons all the time. Some people will rage against multi

1575
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 4: sport comparisons, you know, where they're like, priban college football

1576
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 4: has nothing to do with the NBA.

1577
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 3: And vice versa. I don't agree at all.

1578
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 4: I'll give you a comparison who The Pacers remind me

1579
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 4: of just how they have gone about their business this

1580
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 4: season and the playoffs in particular, and the reaction to that.

1581
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:39,919
Speaker 4: They remind me so much of the twenty fourteen Ohio

1582
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 4: State Buckeyes. Remember the team Urban Meyer was still there.

1583
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 4: Their starting quarterback goes down and it might have been

1584
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 4: their second stream quarterback went down, and then here we

1585
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 4: get card Ale Jones and they go on this magic

1586
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:56,879
Speaker 4: carpet ride and win a championship. But what was interesting

1587
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 4: about them and how it relates to the Pacers. I

1588
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 4: think that we gush about their most recent win and

1589
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 4: then we immediately doubt them in the next game. You know, like,

1590
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 4: if you think about Ohio State, it was are they

1591
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 4: really gonna win the Big Ten championship game with their

1592
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:14,719
Speaker 4: third string quarterback?

1593
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1594
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 4: They beat Wisconsin fifty nine to nothing. And we're like,

1595
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 4: what a performance. Wow, are they really gonna beat Alabama

1596
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 4: in the College Football Playoff?

1597
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,639
Speaker 3: It's like, that's not gonna happen. Then they beat Alabama

1598
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 3: and we're like, Wow, they took down Saban and Bama.

1599
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 4: Wow, are they gonna beat Oregon really in the title?

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01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 3: Right?

1601
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:36,800
Speaker 4: That's the vibes I get with the Pacers at least

1602
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 4: heading into Game seven.

1603
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 3: And I'm going right back to the well.

1604
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 4: Just as I doubted Ohio State and was proven wrong,

1605
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 4: I'm still doubting Indiana going into Game seven. You're gonna

1606
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 4: have Okacs defense cranked up to the gills.

1607
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 3: It's gonna be very, very.

1608
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 4: Difficult to win a Game seven on the road for

1609
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 4: the Pacers. But Hey, just like the twenty fourteen Ohio

1610
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 4: State buck guys who were doubted each step along the way,

1611
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 4: they proved us wrong. And I'd have to say, at

1612
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 4: least the Pacers are capable of proving the doubters wrong,

1613
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 4: me included.

1614
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:14,639
Speaker 3: But I got to see it to believe it.

1615
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, and throughout the entire show, because there's a mirrored

1616
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 7: effect on my camera here. For those who don't know,

1617
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:28,360
Speaker 7: we broadcast over Fox Sports Radio and the app on

1618
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 7: iHeart and we podcast every day.

1619
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 6: You can find us there.

1620
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 7: But also we have a social media presence right next

1621
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:37,680
Speaker 7: to me on this.

1622
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, stop it.

1623
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 2: I had to maximize my zoom window to see this.

1624
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 7: And backwards because again my camera flow that's pretty good.

1625
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 7: Backwards now I've been I've been sleeping on that h

1626
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:00,680
Speaker 7: on that little Easter egg for the entire sh But

1627
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 7: I cannot let this Pacers slander continue.

1628
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:06,760
Speaker 6: Here's I don't have a.

1629
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 7: Dog in the fight. I don't have a dog in

1630
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:10,759
Speaker 7: the fight. But I'm so glad you brought up the buck, guys,

1631
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 7: And I'm so glad.

1632
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 6: You brought up what heat does. What pressure does.

1633
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 7: Yeah, sometimes it makes teams fold, and sometimes it can

1634
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 7: create beautiful things.

1635
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:22,719
Speaker 6: It can create.

1636
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 7: It could create situations where, look, not every rock you know,

1637
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 7: or carbon composite is going to turn into a diamond.

1638
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 7: But the special amount of pressure, the special amount of heat,

1639
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:39,559
Speaker 7: the temperature rises to a certain temp, you know what

1640
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:41,719
Speaker 7: I mean, and all of a sudden, it produces something

1641
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 7: that is brilliant and if cut with you know, the

1642
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 7: correct the number of facets catches light and glitters and

1643
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:50,759
Speaker 7: we call that a diamond.

1644
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 6: And and yeah, it sounds really.

1645
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 7: Cliche to discuss the cauldron, the pressure cooker, use it.

1646
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 7: But but the fact it, the matter is the Pacers

1647
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 7: are here for the reason. We've arrived at the doorsteps

1648
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 7: of Game seven for a reason. And okay, see, for

1649
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 7: the entirety of the season, has been lauded as the

1650
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 7: best team in basketball, and they are statistically and they've

1651
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 7: played heroic basketball in their home court all throughout the postseason.

1652
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 7: And we know the stat that you Jared two hours

1653
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 7: ago mentioned the fact that they for every loss they've

1654
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:27,600
Speaker 7: had in the postseason, it's been filed directly by a win. However,

1655
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 7: they find themselves in this pickle. They're playing against a

1656
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 7: team who, with their backs up against wall, absolutely dominated

1657
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 7: them in Game six, and they could not create the

1658
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 7: intestinal fortitude, the emotional intelligence to close out the Pacers

1659
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:46,639
Speaker 7: in Game six. Now, very different story defending your home

1660
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 7: court and all the things that we've already talked about

1661
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 7: and discussed about. Ok see, but there is a special

1662
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 7: intangible quality to a team that has been forged in fire,

1663
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 7: has battled back the a Sayers time and time again,

1664
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:06,759
Speaker 7: like the Indiana Pacers, where special things can and do happen.

1665
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 7: And I have an abundance of belief in the fact

1666
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 7: that that narrative has not ended with a great win

1667
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:15,599
Speaker 7: in Game six. I think it can carry over into

1668
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 7: game second, into Game seven, and I'm.

1669
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 6: Excited to see what Indiana does.

1670
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,679
Speaker 7: There's a lot of faith in the play that we saw,

1671
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:26,679
Speaker 7: especially defensively shutting down a lot of what OKC has

1672
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:30,679
Speaker 7: successfully tried to do and have done all postseason long

1673
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 7: in Game six. So I'm not as I'm not as

1674
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 7: far down this thunder can't be beat in Game seven

1675
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 7: trail as many of the Vegas betters.

1676
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 2: Are are on. I love it.

1677
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 8: First of all, that screenshot will live on forever. We're

1678
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 8: gonna we're gonna photoshop random things throughout the season, throughout football, take.

1679
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 2: The we'll take facers and seven out.

1680
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 8: We'll put something that's stupid out there, like Mahomes isn't

1681
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 8: the best quarterback in the sport. We're just gonna go

1682
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 8: crazy with the shockport.

1683
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 6: Opinions. I love it.

1684
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 2: It's awesome. That's why I love this show so much.

1685
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 8: I've got back and forth on what vibe I think

1686
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 8: this game will take on. Like every game in this

1687
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 8: series has kind of had its own personality to it.

1688
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 8: For example, I thought Game four, right, okay, see.

1689
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 2: Down two to one on the road.

1690
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 8: You don't want to go down three to one, even

1691
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 8: though they are capable of winning three straight. But I

1692
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 8: thought that game had a Game seven field to it.

1693
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 8: So if you want to take the six games in

1694
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 8: the series and analyze them and say, okay, of the

1695
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:43,679
Speaker 8: six prior matchups we've had, which game, which vibe, which

1696
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 8: personality is going to mirror what we're going to see

1697
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:49,639
Speaker 8: tomorrow night, I would pick Game four. I think that's

1698
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:52,640
Speaker 8: the game that will have the closest vibe to what

1699
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 8: we're going to see. I think you can throw games

1700
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 8: one and two out. Honestly, I would not analyze games

1701
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 8: one and two and take anything from that and bring

1702
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:01,679
Speaker 8: it to game seven.

1703
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 2: Why Game one was crazy.

1704
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 8: Oklahoma City had a huge lead, they blew the lead late,

1705
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 8: something they never do, and Indiana hit a big shot

1706
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 8: at the buzzer to win it. I think you throw

1707
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 8: that out. Game two was like the most obvious handicap

1708
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:15,720
Speaker 8: maybe in the entire postseason.

1709
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 6: It was.

1710
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:18,639
Speaker 2: That's why the number was I think closed eleven.

1711
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 8: It was one of the highest numbers we've seen Oklahoma

1712
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 8: City close at home in this postseason, it was obvious

1713
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 8: that they were going to bounce back and win. Indiana

1714
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 8: got their game in Game one, and it was to

1715
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 8: me a very easy handicap this series. Kind of then

1716
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 8: we went from the muff and stump and then we

1717
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 8: started to turn into the muff and top in games

1718
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 8: three and four. I thought Game four was the juiciest,

1719
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:40,560
Speaker 8: the most exactly.

1720
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that analogy.

1721
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 8: I thought Game four was the best game of the series.

1722
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:47,760
Speaker 8: Like I thought, it was the most intense, It was

1723
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 8: the most in terms of If Indiana won that game,

1724
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 8: I thought they were going to win the series. If

1725
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:55,720
Speaker 8: Oklahoma City won that game, I thought they were going

1726
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 8: to win the series. To me, that was the decisive

1727
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:00,799
Speaker 8: game where it was kind of on the ninth Indiana

1728
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 8: had home court, they had to lead in the series, but.

1729
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 2: They couldn't close the job.

1730
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:08,599
Speaker 8: And I think that is where I'm leaning in Game seven,

1731
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 8: I think Indiana's got a puncher's chance. They believe, they

1732
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 8: deserve to believe, They've been there every step of the way.

1733
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 8: Bino's calling them a zombie. I agree with that assessment,

1734
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:19,560
Speaker 8: but I think at the end of the day, Oklahoma

1735
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 8: City's got that extra Championship fiber in them because of

1736
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 8: the bounce back nature and because of just how deep

1737
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 8: and talented they are.

1738
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 2: And I think in the end they will win. Will

1739
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 2: they cover seven? Probably if they win.

1740
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 8: I'm not as bullish on that, but I do think

1741
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 8: if you want to look at a game in this

1742
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:39,800
Speaker 8: series that will mirror what we will see on Sunday night.

1743
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:42,720
Speaker 8: I think the way Game four started and finished, where

1744
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:45,679
Speaker 8: Indiana thought they were gonna win that game and Oklahoma

1745
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 8: City just found that extra gear late and they were

1746
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:49,679
Speaker 8: able to get across the finish line.

1747
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 3: Okay, so I'll try to make this.

1748
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:54,599
Speaker 4: I'll try to say this where it makes sense, where

1749
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 4: I think that going into a game, you can look

1750
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:04,479
Speaker 4: at a team just from one perspective, right, and then

1751
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:06,639
Speaker 4: after the game, if it goes a different way, your

1752
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 4: perspective can change sometimes a lot. I'll give you an example.

1753
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 4: Think of the Chiefs. Okay, we'll apply this to the

1754
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 4: Pacers in a second. But think of the Chiefs heading

1755
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 4: into the most recent Super Bowl. They had won the

1756
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:21,640
Speaker 4: previous two in a row. You got Andy Reid, you

1757
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 4: got Mahomes, you got Spags, you got a proven you know, greatness,

1758
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 4: and going up against the Eagles like we saw the Chiefs.

1759
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:31,720
Speaker 4: A lot of people who were backing the Chiefs saw

1760
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 4: it from one perspective and it was hard to see

1761
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 4: it from another perspective. But after the game, after a

1762
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 4: disastrous first half and the Eagles did their thing, you

1763
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 4: look at the Chiefs differently and say, well, you know,

1764
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 4: you look at the regular season, they're barely winning a

1765
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:48,800
Speaker 4: lot of game right, your perspective changed a lot. So

1766
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 4: ask yourself the question if OKC wins Game seven and

1767
01:31:54,439 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 4: wins fairly convincingly, how would your perspective of the Pacers change? Like, really,

1768
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:04,360
Speaker 4: try to put yourself in that world. Let's say the

1769
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:08,519
Speaker 4: Pacers went the Pacers lose by ten points in Game

1770
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:11,120
Speaker 4: seven and they're not really threatening to win the game.

1771
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:14,880
Speaker 4: How would you then look back at the Pacers road

1772
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:18,559
Speaker 4: to Game seven to the finals, Right, your perspective might

1773
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:21,799
Speaker 4: shift to the point where you're like, well, the Bucks

1774
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:26,800
Speaker 4: were banged up, right, Dame missed most of that series. Yeah,

1775
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:30,639
Speaker 4: the Pacers smacked around the Calves, but we were never

1776
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 4: convinced they were world beaters. Right, They had a bunch

1777
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:36,520
Speaker 4: of regular season success, that doesn't mean anything for the postseason.

1778
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 4: The Pacers had this dramatic series against the Knicks. But

1779
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 4: do we really think the Knicks are this upper echelon team.

1780
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:49,240
Speaker 4: Most people don't, and so, like you start thinking, and

1781
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:51,679
Speaker 4: then you play this out with the OKC series, maybe

1782
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 4: that changes your perspective a little bit. But I think

1783
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 4: it's an interesting exercise because the Pacers deserve all the

1784
01:32:58,360 --> 01:33:01,599
Speaker 4: props they've gotten to this point, getting to a game seven.

1785
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:04,519
Speaker 4: I'm just saying it's very easy to look at them

1786
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:09,280
Speaker 4: just from that perspective of they deserve their flowers. But

1787
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 4: if they lose Game seven, it's something to think about

1788
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:16,600
Speaker 4: before Game seven happens, how you would really think of

1789
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 4: the Pacers a lot differently. So I would do that

1790
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 4: exercise before you place your bet on game seven, because

1791
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 4: it could shift that way.

1792
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 6: Look, history is written by the victors.

1793
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:34,599
Speaker 7: That's the reason why when we reminisce about you know,

1794
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:38,280
Speaker 7: the turn of the clock from BC to eighty, we

1795
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 7: talk about the Greeks and the Romans, you know, we

1796
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:46,680
Speaker 7: talk about cultures that conquered great territories, the Persians obviously,

1797
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 7: like when we reflect on history, we were always looking

1798
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:55,759
Speaker 7: at it, always viewing it through the lens of the conqueror,

1799
01:33:56,120 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 7: you know, We're not talking about the Germanic tribes that

1800
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 7: faced off against the Roman legions.

1801
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 6: We're not talking about.

1802
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 7: The Galls because they lost because they their libraries or

1803
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 7: scrolls were burned to the ground, as were their villages.

1804
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 7: That's how society operates.

1805
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:17,760
Speaker 6: That's it.

1806
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:20,919
Speaker 7: So you're one hundred percent right, Brian, Like, if OKC

1807
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:24,200
Speaker 7: goes out there and absolutely destroys the Pacers, it will

1808
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 7: rewrite the history because we will look at it through

1809
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:29,080
Speaker 7: a pro oka see lens.

1810
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:30,200
Speaker 6: We just will.

1811
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:33,599
Speaker 7: That's just how that's just how we operate as human beings.

1812
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:36,519
Speaker 7: Who the victors go the spoils, and so the same

1813
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:40,519
Speaker 7: reason why nobody is looking through the historic lens of

1814
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 7: the Galls or really can have much perspective outside of

1815
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:49,600
Speaker 7: what we can glean from the writings of the heroes

1816
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 7: of the Roman legions who conquered those areas, and try

1817
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 7: to flip the perspective and look at it through that lens.

1818
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:58,000
Speaker 7: That's the way we'll look at Okay, See, we'll look

1819
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:01,120
Speaker 7: at them as the best team in basketball that regular season,

1820
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:04,800
Speaker 7: and we'll look at them as a team that went

1821
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:06,120
Speaker 7: through the postseason with.

1822
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 6: Some level of ease.

1823
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, they lost them, but they bounce back and won

1824
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 7: every game after a loss.

1825
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:12,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, the Pacers.

1826
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:15,160
Speaker 7: Force them in the Game seven, but let's be very honest,

1827
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:17,720
Speaker 7: it kind of felt like they were toying with them

1828
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:20,599
Speaker 7: a little bit in Game six, giving them false hope,

1829
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 7: and then they just stomped them out at home at Okay, See,

1830
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:26,600
Speaker 7: they got to celebrate in front of their fans. It

1831
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:29,960
Speaker 7: felt like the right thing to do. Yeah, like, that's

1832
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:32,599
Speaker 7: how we'll look at it. You're one hundred percent right now.

1833
01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 7: Does it take anything away from the Pacers' effort throughout

1834
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:40,080
Speaker 7: this postseason, especially doing what they did, undaunted by the naysayers,

1835
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:43,960
Speaker 7: working their way through the rigors of a postseason, facing

1836
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:48,599
Speaker 7: off against teams down one of the best players on

1837
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 7: their team, certainly one of the emerging stars of the league,

1838
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:53,000
Speaker 7: and Tyrese Haliburton.

1839
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 6: Yeah sure, yeah, credit kudos.

1840
01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:57,280
Speaker 7: Flowers to them, but it's not going to be as

1841
01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:00,599
Speaker 7: flowery as if they win, because we don't look at

1842
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 7: it through the eyes of the defeated. We'll look at

1843
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 7: it through the eyes of the conquerors, just like we

1844
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 7: do all of history, whether we're talking about sports or

1845
01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:08,759
Speaker 7: world history.

1846
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:11,599
Speaker 8: And let's be honest, would any of us be surprised.

1847
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 8: If Voklahoma City won this game by thirty I.

1848
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 4: Would be surprised, but be surprised. I would be surprised.

1849
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 4: I think the Pacers are too feisty. But I hear

1850
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:24,800
Speaker 4: you right, Like, if they wait whatever the number is by,

1851
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:25,599
Speaker 4: what do you think.

1852
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:27,120
Speaker 2: About the Nuggets with the Nuggets feisty?

1853
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:29,280
Speaker 3: The Nuggets were feisty.

1854
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:31,559
Speaker 8: Yeah, they won by thirty two at home in Game

1855
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 8: seven with an eight and a half point spread.

1856
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:37,440
Speaker 3: They weren't Pacers. Yeah, zombie like different.

1857
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 2: Level of zombie. Yeah, No, I mean, I don't know,

1858
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:41,360
Speaker 2: looks like a zombie most nights.

1859
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 7: Let me answer your question before you go on, Jared,

1860
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:46,639
Speaker 7: because I do want you to have this context. Also,

1861
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 7: it wouldn't I don't think it would shock me. I

1862
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:53,920
Speaker 7: really honestly, I could. I could see a number of

1863
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:57,679
Speaker 7: different outcomes, including the Pacers getting absolutely mopped.

1864
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:01,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, because I think and I think we've discussed this

1865
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 8: before and it kind of ties into the vibe we

1866
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:08,720
Speaker 8: feel on both of these teams. Oklahoma City is the juggernaut.

1867
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:10,920
Speaker 8: When they win, they win big. For example, they beat

1868
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:13,679
Speaker 8: Denver by thirty two in that Game seven. They beat

1869
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 8: Minnesota by thirty in the clinching Game five in.

1870
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:17,719
Speaker 2: The Western Conference Finals.

1871
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:19,240
Speaker 8: They were eight and a half points spread in that

1872
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 8: game two, so kind of similar to what the number

1873
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:26,759
Speaker 8: is in Game seven tomorrow too. Thirty plus wins. In general,

1874
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:31,960
Speaker 8: this NBA postseason, the series clinching games have been hillatious

1875
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:36,960
Speaker 8: blowouts nineteen and a half point margins on average. In

1876
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:41,080
Speaker 8: those games, We've had four clinching games decided by thirty plus.

1877
01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 8: One of them was fifty plus. Cleveland beat Miami by

1878
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:46,920
Speaker 8: fifty five in the clinching game of the first round.

1879
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:48,839
Speaker 2: Now I know that's a long time ago.

1880
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:54,080
Speaker 8: But my point is these clinching games, if they do

1881
01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:59,840
Speaker 8: skew in one direction, they tend to skew very hard. Indiana, though,

1882
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:04,080
Speaker 8: to me, is more of the tight team. They're the

1883
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:06,800
Speaker 8: team that likes to play in those tight conditions. I

1884
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:10,120
Speaker 8: think they are more comfortable being uncomfortable. My point being,

1885
01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:12,479
Speaker 8: if Indiana wins, I think the game is gonna be close.

1886
01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 8: I don't think anyone thinks Indiana's gonna win by twenty

1887
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:19,240
Speaker 8: or thirty. I think that would be an insane result.

1888
01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:22,200
Speaker 8: Indiana wins, I think they win close. Oklahoma City wins,

1889
01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:24,000
Speaker 8: I think they win big and cover the spread. That's

1890
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 8: why I'm actually comfortable laying to seven tomorrow night. And

1891
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:28,760
Speaker 8: you'll hear that again in a few minutes when we

1892
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:29,479
Speaker 8: do rapid fire.

1893
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:29,960
Speaker 2: Probably.

1894
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 8: But when I look at this game, it does feel

1895
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 8: like they're obviously a million different outcomes, but the two

1896
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:43,360
Speaker 8: most likely outcomes to me, Oklahoma City wins big, Indiana

1897
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:47,640
Speaker 8: wins close. I don't really see a lot of scenarios

1898
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 8: where Indiana pulls out a you ten, double digit plus

1899
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:55,439
Speaker 8: win or Oklahoma City wins at the buzzer, Like, if

1900
01:38:55,439 --> 01:38:59,040
Speaker 8: this game's tight late, we feel more comfortable with the Pacers, right.

1901
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:03,280
Speaker 4: At least what this postseason has proven. Yeah, yeah, you

1902
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:05,519
Speaker 4: would have to feel more comfortable with the Zombies. They

1903
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:08,839
Speaker 4: just have a knack for that. And listen, the OKC

1904
01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 4: had the biggest point differential of any team in any

1905
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:16,719
Speaker 4: season in NBA freaking history. They won by almost thirteen

1906
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 4: points on average each night, so they don't have nearly

1907
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:23,240
Speaker 4: as much experience in those closer games. So yeah, you

1908
01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 4: would have to favor the Pacers in a closer one.

1909
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:28,200
Speaker 4: All Right, We've got Rich Heronberger, Penn State All American,

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01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:30,479
Speaker 4: Jared Smith FSR betting analyst.

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1923
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:08,839
Speaker 4: it Ornberger?

1924
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:11,840
Speaker 3: Ornbergers? He's a Benoy?

1925
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Speaker 2: The answer is not Brian.

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Speaker 4: live bets, and so much more. Okay, first things first,

1938
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Speaker 4: I move around a lot. It's staggering how I don't

1939
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:05,200
Speaker 4: have access to just ordinary things, okay, like like a marker.

1940
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:08,800
Speaker 4: They have a sharpie around, like a pen, like a

1941
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:09,880
Speaker 4: writing pen.

1942
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:13,040
Speaker 3: Nothing we got that.

1943
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:17,759
Speaker 4: I wanted to write ingest a counter sign to Rich's

1944
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:22,200
Speaker 4: Pacers Pacers in seven. I just wanted to write riches high.

1945
01:41:22,439 --> 01:41:25,640
Speaker 4: I wanted riches high in the background. No access to

1946
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Speaker 4: writing of any kind of whatever.

1947
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I'm going to get

1948
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Speaker 3: markers today. I can't live in a.

1949
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Speaker 2: World with this thing called Amazon where you pay.

1950
01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:40,679
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable. Okay.

1951
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:45,160
Speaker 4: So the debuts of coach Ornberger, Coach Smith, and coach

1952
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:48,920
Speaker 4: Now this is what I want to know. The formula

1953
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:54,680
Speaker 4: for a thunder game seven win, the formula for a

1954
01:41:54,760 --> 01:41:56,439
Speaker 4: PACER's game seven win.

1955
01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:57,120
Speaker 3: Okay.

1956
01:41:57,320 --> 01:42:00,240
Speaker 4: So now now think of this in terms of if

1957
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:04,640
Speaker 4: your coach Dagnault. If you're coach Carlyle, what are you emphasizing?

1958
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:08,280
Speaker 4: What are you really pointing to? Like, guys, we gotta

1959
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:11,360
Speaker 4: get on the glass, We gotta you know, think about

1960
01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:13,840
Speaker 4: it along those lines. I think the first thing that's

1961
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:16,760
Speaker 4: more than obvious. Both teams have to do a good

1962
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 4: job of limiting turnovers. This has absolutely bitten the Pacers

1963
01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:24,519
Speaker 4: in multiple games in this series. They can't just start

1964
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:28,559
Speaker 4: feeding playing into Okc's hand by turning the ball over

1965
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:30,559
Speaker 4: left and right. And the most recent game we saw

1966
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:34,040
Speaker 4: OKC was the team that did that twenty three turnovers

1967
01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:36,679
Speaker 4: in Game six that led to thirty two Pacer points.

1968
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:40,800
Speaker 4: That's the first thing, Okay, Coach Ornberger, what else would

1969
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:43,439
Speaker 4: you like to emphasize to either of these two teams?

1970
01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:48,840
Speaker 7: I mean, the most important thing I would emphasize if

1971
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:52,519
Speaker 7: I were in a locker room, for example, right before

1972
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:56,160
Speaker 7: we're going out for warm ups or before tip off,

1973
01:42:56,240 --> 01:43:00,400
Speaker 7: right before team announcements, it would just be listen, we're

1974
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:04,240
Speaker 7: here for a reason. The whole thing is energy, the

1975
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:08,160
Speaker 7: whole thing is belief. I mean, obviously both of these

1976
01:43:08,200 --> 01:43:11,799
Speaker 7: teams belong here. I mean the Pacers. We've talked about

1977
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:15,560
Speaker 7: this at nauseam, the fact that they've had the intestinal

1978
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:18,320
Speaker 7: fortitude to battle through what they've been able to battle

1979
01:43:18,360 --> 01:43:24,320
Speaker 7: through this season. The I mean, remember, like, what was

1980
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:26,559
Speaker 7: it three weeks ago when we were talking about the

1981
01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:31,400
Speaker 7: Tyrese Halburton underrated conversation, you know, And here we are today,

1982
01:43:31,439 --> 01:43:34,080
Speaker 7: We've arrived at a game seven of the NBA Finals.

1983
01:43:34,479 --> 01:43:37,960
Speaker 7: Look at Okac and Okasee, who seemed to be this

1984
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:42,440
Speaker 7: regular season juggernaut, has continued on that path throughout the postseason.

1985
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:44,320
Speaker 6: It would be a slight shift.

1986
01:43:44,040 --> 01:43:46,640
Speaker 7: In tone if I was speaking to Okasee as a

1987
01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:49,920
Speaker 7: head coach versus the Pacers, but both would land at

1988
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:53,439
Speaker 7: the same place. If you're going to achieve anything in

1989
01:43:53,479 --> 01:43:57,000
Speaker 7: this life, it starts with belief. It starts with seeing

1990
01:43:57,320 --> 01:44:02,040
Speaker 7: the end goal before tipoff. It starts with seeing yourself

1991
01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:05,800
Speaker 7: hoisting the Larry O'Brien trophy before you even take the floor,

1992
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:08,360
Speaker 7: before you even lace up your basketball shoes. If you

1993
01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 7: don't believe today, Teday, after everything you've been through, you

1994
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:17,000
Speaker 7: don't belong here, you don't belong to you don't deserve

1995
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:17,320
Speaker 7: to win.

1996
01:44:17,360 --> 01:44:19,240
Speaker 6: So you gotta believe in yourself. That's it.

1997
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:22,439
Speaker 7: That's the final thing I would say before anybody's hitting

1998
01:44:22,439 --> 01:44:22,840
Speaker 7: the floor.

1999
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:26,280
Speaker 8: I love this because I've been thinking about this a

2000
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:28,200
Speaker 8: lot lately because if you for those of you who

2001
01:44:28,240 --> 01:44:31,719
Speaker 8: don't know, I'm now coaching youth football twelve and under

2002
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:34,960
Speaker 8: Bishop Gorman. Shout out to the junior Gaels. I am

2003
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:37,840
Speaker 8: the new quarterback coach for them having a blast by

2004
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:41,200
Speaker 8: the way, it is awesome to reconnect with football and

2005
01:44:41,240 --> 01:44:42,920
Speaker 8: to be on the field and to just be part

2006
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:48,400
Speaker 8: of that. I would say I would steal a phrase

2007
01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:49,720
Speaker 8: from the Lion King.

2008
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:52,000
Speaker 6: Remember who you are?

2009
01:44:53,120 --> 01:44:55,120
Speaker 8: That's what I would say to the Thunder if I

2010
01:44:55,200 --> 01:44:57,759
Speaker 8: was Mark Dagnault right before. And I like the vibe

2011
01:44:57,800 --> 01:44:59,679
Speaker 8: of what would you say to the team right before

2012
01:44:59,680 --> 01:45:00,320
Speaker 8: they take.

2013
01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:03,919
Speaker 2: The floor, Remember who you are? I think they forgotten.

2014
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:08,879
Speaker 8: Game six, I think they forgot and again you credit Indiana.

2015
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:10,559
Speaker 2: They played defended their.

2016
01:45:10,439 --> 01:45:12,080
Speaker 8: Asses off in that game, and I don't know if

2017
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:13,919
Speaker 8: they're gonna be able to bring that level of intensity

2018
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:17,479
Speaker 8: in Game seven. They better because I think what we've

2019
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:22,080
Speaker 8: seen from the Thunder in this postseason, after they do drop.

2020
01:45:21,880 --> 01:45:24,280
Speaker 2: A game, they remember who they are.

2021
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:28,599
Speaker 8: And they play outside of their skull in the following game.

2022
01:45:29,160 --> 01:45:31,719
Speaker 8: And I think like that's the vibe for me, that's

2023
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:33,519
Speaker 8: the way I see this game playing. I think the

2024
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:35,920
Speaker 8: first quarter is going to be nervy. I'd lean first

2025
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:39,280
Speaker 8: quarter first half under. In fact, I was actually surprised

2026
01:45:39,320 --> 01:45:42,200
Speaker 8: that they didn't shade the first half under more is

2027
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:45,080
Speaker 8: the game Unders, you know, pretty low. It's like two fourteen.

2028
01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:47,200
Speaker 8: The totals have been in the two twenties for pretty

2029
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:49,439
Speaker 8: much the entire series. We saw two thirty in game one.

2030
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:54,200
Speaker 8: Usually they will shade the first half total, not a

2031
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:58,240
Speaker 8: possession or two more, you know, fewer points than the

2032
01:45:58,320 --> 01:46:01,080
Speaker 8: actual half, right, because the second half you get a

2033
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:01,599
Speaker 8: little bit of.

2034
01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 2: Fouls in the end.

2035
01:46:03,640 --> 01:46:06,080
Speaker 8: I figured you'd get a little extra shading going on

2036
01:46:06,680 --> 01:46:09,240
Speaker 8: in a Game seven first half, but no, it's pretty

2037
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:12,080
Speaker 8: much split. It's about a possession less than half of

2038
01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:14,400
Speaker 8: the total. I think it's around one oh five total

2039
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:16,880
Speaker 8: two fifteen, so half of that would be one oh

2040
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:18,840
Speaker 8: seven and a half. So it's again it's about two

2041
01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:21,000
Speaker 8: and a half points less than what half of the

2042
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:23,160
Speaker 8: total is. So I think it's gonna be a nervy start.

2043
01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:26,200
Speaker 8: But I think the Thunder need to remember who they are.

2044
01:46:26,240 --> 01:46:26,720
Speaker 2: I can't do it.

2045
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:29,720
Speaker 8: James Earl Jones voice, I wish I could, but that

2046
01:46:29,880 --> 01:46:32,240
Speaker 8: to me, would be my final message to the Thunder

2047
01:46:32,280 --> 01:46:33,200
Speaker 8: before they take the floor.

2048
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:37,639
Speaker 4: If we're talking about messages, I think what's really important

2049
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:40,200
Speaker 4: for Rick Carlisle, if I were him, I would be

2050
01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:43,639
Speaker 4: preaching to the Pacers we gotta play fast.

2051
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:47,160
Speaker 3: That's when they're at their best. Like this half court.

2052
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:53,200
Speaker 4: Oftentimes, how Game seven plays out, like the shot clock

2053
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:56,360
Speaker 4: is running down, that that's not who the Pacers are.

2054
01:46:56,960 --> 01:46:59,280
Speaker 4: They got to do a good job of playing fast

2055
01:46:59,439 --> 01:47:03,200
Speaker 4: and still limiting mistakes. It's not easy to do, but

2056
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:05,640
Speaker 4: they've got to live on that edge because that's what

2057
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:08,160
Speaker 4: makes them special. And I think if you look at

2058
01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:10,759
Speaker 4: these games for the Pacers on the road against OKC,

2059
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:14,280
Speaker 4: they've started slowly in the first half. I don't think

2060
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:17,080
Speaker 4: you can do that in Game seven and expect to win.

2061
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:20,840
Speaker 4: If you look at games one, two, and five, those

2062
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:23,000
Speaker 4: are the road games in this series for the Pacers,

2063
01:47:23,400 --> 01:47:28,479
Speaker 4: first half points forty five, forty one, forty five.

2064
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:32,240
Speaker 3: They've done a great job in the second half against OKAC.

2065
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:34,280
Speaker 4: I don't know what happens where it just flips and

2066
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:36,920
Speaker 4: they start playing faster. But second half on the road

2067
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:41,000
Speaker 4: against OKC, for the Pacers sixty six points, sixty six

2068
01:47:41,479 --> 01:47:47,639
Speaker 4: sixty four. It's like twenty plus points on average better

2069
01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:49,200
Speaker 4: in the second half than the first half.

2070
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:51,360
Speaker 3: Individually for the Pacers, you.

2071
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:54,519
Speaker 4: Got to play faster this half court, you know, like

2072
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:57,719
Speaker 4: slow it down, revaluing every possession. I think that's gonna

2073
01:47:57,760 --> 01:48:02,160
Speaker 4: get the Pacers all know, twisted around in this game

2074
01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:05,920
Speaker 4: tomorrow night. So if I'm Carlisle, I'm like, push it

2075
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:10,200
Speaker 4: moving quick, fast, you know, just don't turn the ball

2076
01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:13,320
Speaker 4: over left and right, because that's what really fuels okay see.

2077
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:18,880
Speaker 4: And I think, man, okay sees main focal point is defense.

2078
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:21,000
Speaker 4: Let's do what we do best. Were the number one

2079
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:24,559
Speaker 4: defense all season long in the playoffs. Let's turn them

2080
01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:28,360
Speaker 4: over like crazy. Let's get in transition. Let's fuel our offense.

2081
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:31,920
Speaker 4: I think it all starts with their nasty defense. So

2082
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:34,799
Speaker 4: I think those are the two things. Pacers play fast,

2083
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:37,640
Speaker 4: okay see, turn them over. So that's the challenge for

2084
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:40,759
Speaker 4: the Pacers. Play fast and don't turn it over. Easier

2085
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:44,559
Speaker 4: said than done, but they have had success doing exactly

2086
01:48:44,600 --> 01:48:46,400
Speaker 4: that at times in this series.

2087
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:52,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would say the biggest tweak I would make

2088
01:48:53,080 --> 01:48:56,760
Speaker 7: to the thunder ahead of Game seven, like you know,

2089
01:48:56,840 --> 01:48:59,799
Speaker 7: again a very similar message to both teams.

2090
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:02,360
Speaker 6: You know, and and not to say that it's easy

2091
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:02,760
Speaker 6: to coach.

2092
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:06,400
Speaker 7: It is, and it's I'm not saying it's easy to motivate,

2093
01:49:06,479 --> 01:49:09,559
Speaker 7: it's not, especially when you're dealing with a locker room

2094
01:49:09,640 --> 01:49:13,759
Speaker 7: filled with alphas who are self confidence or self confidence.

2095
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:15,840
Speaker 7: They have their own way of motivating themselves and you

2096
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:18,679
Speaker 7: have to reach people where they are. So a one

2097
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 7: size fits all message is very hard to populate when

2098
01:49:22,240 --> 01:49:25,439
Speaker 7: you're thinking about all the diverse opinions and personalities in

2099
01:49:25,479 --> 01:49:28,920
Speaker 7: the room. But yet, if I were going to break

2100
01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:34,519
Speaker 7: it down foundationally for each team, for the Thunder, I mean,

2101
01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:39,320
Speaker 7: remember who you are is a really really good point shared,

2102
01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:43,320
Speaker 7: because the truth is the Thunder they're they're They're poor

2103
01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:46,920
Speaker 7: at very few things. They play suffocating defense when they

2104
01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:49,559
Speaker 7: want to. They're good outside shooters when they want to be.

2105
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:52,880
Speaker 7: They draw hard fouls and light fouls when they want

2106
01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:58,120
Speaker 7: to drive the rain lane. When when when the reigning

2107
01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:02,280
Speaker 7: MVP get just Alexander wants to drive the lane, he

2108
01:50:02,280 --> 01:50:03,240
Speaker 7: can get those facts.

2109
01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:05,440
Speaker 6: I mean, they're good at everything.

2110
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:08,519
Speaker 7: So I would just say play to the caliber of

2111
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:11,400
Speaker 7: a team that you have been this entire season and

2112
01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:15,160
Speaker 7: you will win this game hands down. For the Pacers, man,

2113
01:50:15,400 --> 01:50:18,719
Speaker 7: I would say this, you got to own every single

2114
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:23,280
Speaker 7: opportunity given. So if you're the Pacers and you are

2115
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:26,720
Speaker 7: decided underdog and you have the world rooting against you, well,

2116
01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:28,880
Speaker 7: I shouldn't say the world rooting against you, but you

2117
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:33,479
Speaker 7: have a lot of push in the opposite direction that

2118
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:35,639
Speaker 7: this is going to be a successful outing for you.

2119
01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:38,600
Speaker 7: You got to take advantage of the opportunities. It's you

2120
01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:40,360
Speaker 7: against the world kind of mentality.

2121
01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:41,120
Speaker 6: When you hit that.

2122
01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:44,160
Speaker 7: Court, if you get a turnover, you got to turn

2123
01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:46,920
Speaker 7: it into points. If you get an offensive board, you

2124
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:48,200
Speaker 7: got to turn it into points.

2125
01:50:48,840 --> 01:50:50,120
Speaker 6: You gotta capitalize.

2126
01:50:50,240 --> 01:50:54,680
Speaker 7: So I would say more of the desperation needs to

2127
01:50:54,720 --> 01:50:57,360
Speaker 7: be poured onto the Indiana Pacers in the locker room.

2128
01:50:57,400 --> 01:51:00,360
Speaker 7: You need to make sure they understand the value of

2129
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:04,080
Speaker 7: those moments, those turning point moments in the gaming to capitalize,

2130
01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:06,479
Speaker 7: because there are going to be fewer of those for

2131
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:08,439
Speaker 7: you then there will be for OKAC.

2132
01:51:09,439 --> 01:51:11,559
Speaker 2: All right, let me do another Disney quote. I guess

2133
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:12,800
Speaker 2: actually have two Disney quotes.

2134
01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:15,679
Speaker 8: Yeah, let's so aligned with this where it's a Disney

2135
01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:20,880
Speaker 8: theme show. The only way to achieve the impossible is

2136
01:51:20,920 --> 01:51:22,120
Speaker 8: to believe it is.

2137
01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:25,920
Speaker 2: Possible, Alice in Wonderland. No, that's how That's what I

2138
01:51:26,120 --> 01:51:27,639
Speaker 2: to me. That's the Pacers right there.

2139
01:51:28,280 --> 01:51:28,479
Speaker 6: You know.

2140
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:30,840
Speaker 2: The only way that you can believe that.

2141
01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:35,800
Speaker 8: This actually is possible is to or believe the impossible

2142
01:51:35,840 --> 01:51:37,360
Speaker 8: is to believe that this is possible.

2143
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:38,360
Speaker 6: Like that.

2144
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:41,360
Speaker 8: Like that's a good Rick Carlisle message, like believe, right,

2145
01:51:41,680 --> 01:51:42,639
Speaker 8: we hear that all the time.

2146
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:44,120
Speaker 2: It's the Ted Lasso quote.

2147
01:51:44,520 --> 01:51:48,000
Speaker 8: You have to believe because we continue to doubt even

2148
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:52,719
Speaker 8: though they really handle it outplayed. Okay, see in game six,

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Speaker 8: an elimination game backs against the Wall, we still think

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01:51:55,960 --> 01:51:58,880
Speaker 8: Oklahoma City is gonna win, except for Rich because he's

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01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:01,200
Speaker 8: got it on his board right now that Pacers aren't

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01:52:01,200 --> 01:52:03,880
Speaker 8: gonna be in seven. So the only way to achieve

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01:52:03,880 --> 01:52:06,000
Speaker 8: the impossible is to believe it is possible. And here

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01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:10,240
Speaker 8: is the last quote from one of my favorite movies, Frozen,

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01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:13,879
Speaker 8: let it Go. That's what like to me, the Pacers

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01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:15,880
Speaker 8: just need to get this kind of Brian's point, like

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01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:18,559
Speaker 8: just play fast, let it go, let it rip. Yeah,

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01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:23,040
Speaker 8: like that that really is the vibe. So Oklahoma City

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01:52:23,240 --> 01:52:26,120
Speaker 8: is the juggernaut. They need to remember who they are

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01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:29,439
Speaker 8: they need to play like that, whereas Indiana needs to

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01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:32,240
Speaker 8: just play like they have the entire postseason, which is

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01:52:32,240 --> 01:52:35,800
Speaker 8: no fear, achieving the impossible, to believe.

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01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:36,920
Speaker 2: It is possible, and to let it go.

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Speaker 3: Baby Listen.

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Speaker 4: There's some definite Pacer vibes, you know, from either the

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01:52:44,640 --> 01:52:48,639
Speaker 4: Talking Heads fans in general, based on the last game

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01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:52,440
Speaker 4: in particular, you just saw the Pacers walk all over Oksey.

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Speaker 4: You know our producer Patty Sweka, who's in with us today,

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01:52:55,840 --> 01:52:56,320
Speaker 4: He's like.

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Speaker 3: I'm feeling the Pacers. You that I'm feeling.

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01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:02,840
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, all right, Rich is you know, he's

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01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:03,439
Speaker 4: just all in.

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01:53:03,640 --> 01:53:05,880
Speaker 3: He's all in on the Pacers. I just think this.

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Speaker 4: I think that it's not just about the Pacers looking

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01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:17,200
Speaker 4: great in game six. I look at OKC enjoying some

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01:53:17,320 --> 01:53:21,120
Speaker 4: of the same advantages in Game seven as the Pacers

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01:53:21,120 --> 01:53:23,840
Speaker 4: did in Game six, right, Like what turned into an

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01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:26,559
Speaker 4: advantage for the Pacers in Game six it was an

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Speaker 4: elimination game. I think Rich just said it backs against

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01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:32,560
Speaker 4: the wall, right, Well, that's the same thing with the

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01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:36,640
Speaker 4: Thunder now and then obviously home court like that was

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01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:39,519
Speaker 4: a mad house in Indianapolis in Game six.

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Speaker 3: You don't think Game seven is going to be exactly

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01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:42,599
Speaker 3: like that. Oka See.

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01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:46,120
Speaker 4: Would have to be ice cold down by twenty for

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01:53:46,240 --> 01:53:48,639
Speaker 4: it not to be a mad house. You know, it's

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01:53:48,640 --> 01:53:50,599
Speaker 4: going to be crazy. That's what the Pacers are going

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01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:54,080
Speaker 4: up against. So I think that, Listen, I get it.

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01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:58,599
Speaker 4: I get that there's this reaction after seeing you saw

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01:53:58,680 --> 01:54:01,759
Speaker 4: in Living color the Pacers look that dominant. I can't

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01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:05,880
Speaker 4: fault you for still going off of the last thing

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01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:09,240
Speaker 4: you saw, but I'm just here to say that I

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01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:12,000
Speaker 4: think that the ingredients of the last thing you saw

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01:54:12,120 --> 01:54:15,120
Speaker 4: are going to flip to the other side in game seven.

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01:54:15,200 --> 01:54:19,720
Speaker 4: That's what I'm back in Oka See. I think they

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01:54:19,720 --> 01:54:24,800
Speaker 4: have a lot of advantages in that game, and I

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01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:27,479
Speaker 4: think they take advantage of their chance. I don't see how.

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01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:31,320
Speaker 4: I don't want to make them sound like they're this unbeatable,

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01:54:31,800 --> 01:54:35,680
Speaker 4: Like they've never been unbeatable. They just were huge favorites,

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01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:39,280
Speaker 4: and some people have mistaken them as this unbeatable force.

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01:54:39,320 --> 01:54:40,800
Speaker 3: They're clearly beatable.

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01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:44,640
Speaker 4: They've been beaten three times this series, so we got

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01:54:44,680 --> 01:54:47,280
Speaker 4: to get that out of the whole conversation. But I

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01:54:47,400 --> 01:54:50,880
Speaker 4: just I don't see them missing out on this opportunity.

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01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:54,880
Speaker 4: I don't, but Hey, we got one more segment left,

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Speaker 4: and we got a chance to put our money where

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Speaker 4: our mouth is right. With the picks that we have

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Speaker 4: to make, We've got rich On and Penn State, all American.

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Speaker 4: I wonder if it's gonna be Pacers all across the board,

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Speaker 4: you know, according to the sign, it could be you

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01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:09,000
Speaker 4: might sneak Coastal Carolina in there.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Oh, we've got I don't know. We've got Jared Smith

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Speaker 4: up next. It is rapid fire, the moment of truth.

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Speaker 3: All right, we've got some picks to make.

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01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:51,839
Speaker 6: Let's do it rapid fire.

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01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:54,160
Speaker 3: Okay, Jared, we start with you.

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01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:56,600
Speaker 4: I'm just curious how many picks we're going to share

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Speaker 4: in this edition here.

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01:56:57,880 --> 01:56:58,520
Speaker 3: What do you have for it?

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Speaker 8: Probably not many because I'm kind of going off the

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01:57:01,200 --> 01:57:03,280
Speaker 8: beaten path with my first one. We've got one baseball,

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01:57:03,320 --> 01:57:06,360
Speaker 8: two basketball. Let's start with the baseball Mariners Cubs. We're

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01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:07,480
Speaker 8: going over twelve.

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01:57:07,640 --> 01:57:10,720
Speaker 2: Yes, that's correct. Twelve is the total at Wrigley Field today.

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01:57:10,760 --> 01:57:13,400
Speaker 8: Why well, the wind is blowing out at twenty miles

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01:57:13,400 --> 01:57:15,880
Speaker 8: an hour and the temperatures ninety five degrees. There have

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01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:18,560
Speaker 8: been zero games at Wrigley Field over the last ten

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01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:21,480
Speaker 8: years with ninety plus tempts and the wind blowing out

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01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:24,360
Speaker 8: at more than fifteen miles an hour. Emerson Hancock, Kate

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01:57:24,440 --> 01:57:27,800
Speaker 8: Horton today, and obviously conditions at Wrigley Field are ripe

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01:57:27,920 --> 01:57:32,280
Speaker 8: for offense. Over twelve runs Seattle Chicago at Wrigley will

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01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:34,760
Speaker 8: go the SGP I gave you and prop it up.

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01:57:34,760 --> 01:57:37,200
Speaker 8: I really like this a lot. SGA to score thirty

2264
01:57:37,640 --> 01:57:40,160
Speaker 8: and the thunder to win. This is minus one thirty.

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01:57:39,880 --> 01:57:42,520
Speaker 2: Over at bet mgm OKAC is six to zero off

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01:57:42,520 --> 01:57:43,640
Speaker 2: a loss in the postseason.

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01:57:43,720 --> 01:57:46,960
Speaker 8: In those six games, SGA's averaging thirty four points per game.

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01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:50,280
Speaker 8: He scored at least thirty four in five of the

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01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:52,240
Speaker 8: six games. His prop for the game is thirty three

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01:57:52,320 --> 01:57:54,240
Speaker 8: and a half. I like the over there as well,

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01:57:54,360 --> 01:57:56,760
Speaker 8: but we'll give you that SGP SGA to score thirty.

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01:57:56,480 --> 01:57:58,120
Speaker 2: Thunder win and the thunder minus.

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01:57:57,880 --> 01:57:58,640
Speaker 6: Seven and a half.

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01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:01,560
Speaker 8: I've been feeling with talking about this for the entire show.

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01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:03,800
Speaker 8: I think okay See bounces back, and I think it

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01:58:03,880 --> 01:58:06,720
Speaker 8: is a longer margin than expected.

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01:58:09,080 --> 01:58:11,680
Speaker 7: All Right, I'm gonna start this rapid fire and close

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01:58:11,720 --> 01:58:15,560
Speaker 7: it the same exact way Pacers in seven.

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01:58:15,680 --> 01:58:16,800
Speaker 6: So let's talk about it.

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01:58:16,840 --> 01:58:18,960
Speaker 7: I'm gonna hedge my risk a little bit with a

2281
01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:22,360
Speaker 7: higher upside payout. Take the point seven and a half

2282
01:58:22,400 --> 01:58:26,200
Speaker 7: points given to the Pacers in the NBA Finals, and

2283
01:58:26,240 --> 01:58:28,760
Speaker 7: then go ahead tag that with the money line plus

2284
01:58:28,760 --> 01:58:32,000
Speaker 7: two sixty odds if you win on both, which I do,

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01:58:32,040 --> 01:58:35,280
Speaker 7: think it's gonna be a close game all of a sudden,

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01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:37,760
Speaker 7: you hedge a little risk if they lose. Okay, moving

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01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:40,520
Speaker 7: on to the rest of my rapid fire, the total

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01:58:40,640 --> 01:58:43,840
Speaker 7: OKC versus Indiana. If I believe in the Pacers, I

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01:58:43,880 --> 01:58:45,640
Speaker 7: also believe that I think it's gonna be a low

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01:58:45,680 --> 01:58:47,480
Speaker 7: scoring game. I think it has to be for them

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01:58:47,560 --> 01:58:50,800
Speaker 7: to win on Okac's floor, So I'll take the under

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01:58:50,840 --> 01:58:55,480
Speaker 7: two fourteen and a half Pacers in seven.

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01:58:58,720 --> 01:59:03,880
Speaker 4: No hedging from me, none, And I'm we'll see if.

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01:59:03,720 --> 01:59:04,520
Speaker 3: That works out or not.

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01:59:04,600 --> 01:59:08,280
Speaker 4: But I think OKAC starts fast. I think they start

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01:59:08,760 --> 01:59:13,160
Speaker 4: furiously right. You see, you don't need to know that

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01:59:13,240 --> 01:59:16,080
Speaker 4: I did right there. But I'm kind of embarrassed I

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01:59:16,120 --> 01:59:19,000
Speaker 4: even went down that road. But yeah, I think they're

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01:59:19,040 --> 01:59:21,320
Speaker 4: gonna be a complete pain in the bootoah to start

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01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:23,640
Speaker 4: off the game. They just got smacked in the face

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01:59:23,960 --> 01:59:27,480
Speaker 4: royally in Game six. So I've got OKC first quarter

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01:59:27,560 --> 01:59:30,879
Speaker 4: line minus three and a half. I'm gonna take OKAC

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01:59:31,280 --> 01:59:35,800
Speaker 4: first half line minus four and a half. And again

2304
01:59:35,880 --> 01:59:39,280
Speaker 4: the theme of no heading just what the little you know,

2305
01:59:39,360 --> 01:59:41,720
Speaker 4: the little devil on my shoulder. It's like, hey, you

2306
01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:44,480
Speaker 4: know what, why not a Pacers team total under? Hey

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01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:47,800
Speaker 4: why not WNBA today? You know you got that? Hey

2308
01:59:48,120 --> 01:59:50,440
Speaker 4: how about uh, you know, college World Series. There are

2309
01:59:50,480 --> 01:59:52,640
Speaker 4: so many different directions I want to go in, but

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01:59:52,680 --> 01:59:55,080
Speaker 4: I'm going fastballs right down the heart of the plate.

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01:59:55,160 --> 01:59:57,880
Speaker 4: I'm a role just Chapman over here. Give me OKAC

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01:59:58,200 --> 02:00:01,640
Speaker 4: minus seven and a half. They're the better team, they're

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Speaker 4: more talented, they've got a better defense, They're at home

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Speaker 4: it's game seven. They've outscored opponents at home by two

2315
02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:12,920
Speaker 4: point forty seven in the playoffs, nobody's been plus two hundred.

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Speaker 3: They're too much. They get it done, they take.

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02:00:16,600 --> 02:00:19,440
Speaker 4: Care of business. They're your champions this year. That's how

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02:00:19,480 --> 02:00:20,000
Speaker 4: I see it.

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Speaker 7: Thunder and sevens Yo, Yeah, let's go.

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Speaker 3: There's almost like a Mayo bet in the air between me.

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Speaker 7: Oh no, all right, no more Mayo