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Speaker 2: Ready to rock on a Saturday night, Get to double

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Speaker 2: dip a little bit this weekend on Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 2: and I want to get started by almost borrowing a

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Speaker 2: line from the Great jay Z. Thank God for granting

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Speaker 2: me this moment of parody. Gonna change the line a

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Speaker 2: little bit for the NBA because nobody nobody had what

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Speaker 2: might be happening during our show tonight, Ryan, nobody had

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Speaker 2: the Indiana Pacers going to the NBA Finals. Now, obviously

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Speaker 2: just about everybody probably had the Oklahoma City Thunder. But

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Speaker 2: I do feel like this is a different kind of

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Speaker 2: a basketball team, and you are one of the perfect

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Speaker 2: guys to ask, seeing as you work throughout the season

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Speaker 2: along with the Houston Rockets, and they are one of

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Speaker 2: the teams that kind of fit what I am about

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Speaker 2: to say. First of all, good afternoon, Slash, good evening

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Speaker 2: to you. It's been a while since we've had a

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Speaker 2: chance to do this, and I'm excited about it.

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Speaker 1: How are you, ma'am?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing good, brother. It's been a.

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Speaker 2: Minute, man, it has it has other than, of course,

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Speaker 2: your appearance on my weekday show when.

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Speaker 1: The Rockets and Warriors got together.

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Speaker 2: A few weeks ago, which was every bit of fun

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Speaker 2: that it promised to be.

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Speaker 1: That was a good one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was good.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure you know you guys enjoyed it up there

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Speaker 4: in the Bay, not so much here in Houston. Novel though,

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of promise, Okay, but no, no one

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Speaker 4: wanted to see that type of ending and the insult

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Speaker 4: to injury to the Warriors. You wanted one last crack

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Speaker 4: at them. You know, you want to assume that.

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Speaker 1: Golden State won't be the same Golden State moving forward.

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Speaker 3: Not quite sure.

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Speaker 4: There's so many things up in the air, but you

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Speaker 4: wanted one with at least draymonded Steph there.

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Speaker 2: One more shot, like, well, look all teams that the

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Speaker 2: Boston Celtics can say this, everybody who does not go

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Speaker 2: out by throwing their best pitch. You know, you shed

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Speaker 2: a little tear for it. But God said, I'm looking

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Speaker 2: at the whole lay of the land right now. And

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Speaker 2: this is maybe even a more relevant question as we

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Speaker 2: move into the offseason, which Sham Sherania recently said is

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Speaker 2: going to be He predicts the craziest NBA offseason of

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Speaker 2: all time, which is interesting to me because I think

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Speaker 2: we know that Kevin Durant's on the move. I think

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Speaker 2: we think that Giannis is on the move, and that's big.

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Speaker 2: But for to be the craziest ever, there's got to

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Speaker 2: be a lot more right now that we don't see

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Speaker 2: that's on the way. And that's kind of where I

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Speaker 2: want to start if we look around the league, because listen,

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Speaker 2: I said it on my show yesterday, I don't think

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Speaker 2: the timing is right, Like the Bay Area is obsessed

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Speaker 1: But I don't think the timing makes sense.

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Speaker 2: I know that the Warriors can't put together together the

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Speaker 2: best package, and I still have no idea where it

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Speaker 2: is that Jannis wants to go, or even that he

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Speaker 2: wants to go. Quite frankly, but here's what I want

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Speaker 2: to throw at you. And you know this because it's

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Speaker 2: going to end on the laps of your team, the

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Speaker 1: Much as anyone in the country.

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Speaker 2: You have tons of young assets on a basketball team.

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Speaker 2: Do you package all of them up and shove them

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Speaker 2: into the middle so that you can get that one dude?

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Speaker 1: Because that one dude, traditionally is.

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Speaker 2: What kind of decides who wins the NBA Championship, the

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Speaker 2: ultra superstar, Jannis Jokic, Lebron Steph that ultrastar. Is that

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Speaker 2: still the case, Ryan, because I'm looking at a Pacers

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Speaker 2: team that does not have that, And even though OKC

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Speaker 2: it's not about overwhelming you with one unbelievable physical presence.

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Speaker 2: They are a true team team kind of a team.

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Speaker 2: And so I wonder, with all of those big megastars

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Speaker 2: is it right for teams to package all of the

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Speaker 4: You brought up a good point. It doesn't look like

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Speaker 4: it is in Mark. That's the mindset of a front office.

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Speaker 4: You know, you want to check trends. You know, in

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Speaker 4: the shooting guard position being dominant, and then as Lebron

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Speaker 4: and you're right, Mark, I think teams are trending back

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Speaker 4: and youth seems to be taken over. You got to understand,

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Speaker 4: you know, Lebron James has essentially dominated the NBA for

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Speaker 4: how long what what almost twenty years where he's been

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Speaker 4: really the focal point of teams. But it's looking like

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Speaker 4: as we trend into a new space of the NBA

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Speaker 4: team that may be the road.

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Speaker 1: So I can tell you this much.

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Speaker 4: I'm not a privy to the front office conversations.

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Speaker 3: I don't know really what's going on.

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Speaker 4: I'm and inquiring just like anybody else, Mark, But you know,

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Speaker 4: I think the beauty for the Houston Rockets is that

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Speaker 4: they can sit back and they can evaluate Mark and say,

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Speaker 4: you know, we're okay, we keep our youth moving forward

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Speaker 4: and we're okay if we wait make a move.

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Speaker 3: And I'll give you.

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Speaker 4: A case where it did work out, and look at

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Speaker 4: the Toronto Raptors. So even though Kawhi Leonard ends up

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Speaker 4: moving on. They got a championship, dude, like they were

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Speaker 4: tired of fifty win seasons, And not that you ever

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Speaker 4: want to get tired of it, but you want to feel.

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Speaker 3: Like you have a legit shot.

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Speaker 4: So you know, a guy like a Kohi, with culture

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Speaker 4: and the timing being right, could be that, Mark. So

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Speaker 4: I don't think you just wave off the idea of

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Speaker 4: going out and getting a yiannest But you have to

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Speaker 4: quantify and say is Yianni's worth that?

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Speaker 1: It? Is he that good? You know? Does he still

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Speaker 1: have the juice? And that's the question for an organization.

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Speaker 4: And as you brought up, you know, if Milwaukee moves forward,

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Speaker 4: which I honestly, Mark, I don't think they would be

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Speaker 4: serious about moving forward, that's what it would have to be.

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Speaker 4: Like they're wanting there, they wanted in blood Mark, now

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Speaker 4: hold on. So you're predicting he doesn't go anywhere?

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Speaker 1: Is that right?

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Speaker 3: I would be.

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Speaker 4: Jannis is so loyal I would be surprised if interests

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Speaker 4: he would. He would essentially have to be forced out

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Speaker 4: from his personality. And I think the right question.

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Speaker 1: I think the right thing would be for Yiannis to go,

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Speaker 1: But will he do it?

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Speaker 3: I would, I'll be surprised to see it at.

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Speaker 1: Lead straightforward interesting, I don't see.

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Speaker 2: I'm more of the of the mind that the way

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Speaker 2: it works with the flow of information in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: if this got out, in other words, the second the

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Speaker 2: reporters go for the first time in his career, Yanis

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Speaker 1: There's a reason that.

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Speaker 2: That got put out to the public, and it's because

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Speaker 2: he does want to move on, and there's a little

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Speaker 2: bit of a dip of the toe in the.

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Speaker 1: Water and see how everyone will react to it.

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Speaker 2: And it's not a situation I think where he'll get

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Speaker 2: of like staying in Milwaukee. They got him a running mate,

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Speaker 2: and that running mate just tore his achilles, So like,

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Speaker 2: you're not winning there. They're not winning there, And you

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Speaker 2: can wait until you're thirty five, but then it gets

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Speaker 2: really really hard, just as the Golden State Warriors and

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Speaker 2: the Los Angeles Lakers. If you want to wait until

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Speaker 2: your stars have had their thirty fifth birthday, it gets

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Speaker 2: really tough to stay healthy whole NBA season. Here, here's

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Speaker 2: kind of where I'm coming from. I don't know that

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Speaker 1: Don't know that.

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Speaker 2: But if they do, the NBA Finals will officially be

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Speaker 2: set and they will one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: Be all based on Paul George trades.

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Speaker 2: That's how both of these organizations will have built themselves

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Speaker 2: by being the team that got rid of the big name,

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Speaker 2: not the team that acquired them. I think that's very,

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Speaker 2: very important. If you look through the last handful of years,

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Speaker 2: in a almost normal championship. You get what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Of course you would do that over again if you're

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Speaker 2: the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: That worked.

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Speaker 2: But since then, how we doing on moving the big

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Speaker 2: the Phoenix Suns doing? How are they doing? How are

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Speaker 2: the Lost an Angela's Clippers doing? They're good, They're not

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Speaker 2: good enough. So all of these teams, and the Rockets

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Speaker 1: Mobility going forward. Yeah, no, it's rare.

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Speaker 4: And to me, when you do make that pick and

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Speaker 4: it does work, and I want you to remember this Mark.

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Speaker 3: This is the big thing that you see.

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Speaker 1: You go into a group that has culture.

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Speaker 4: When Kawhi went to Toronto, they had a culture built

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Speaker 4: of winning. Dwayne Casey was the coach, like you know,

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Speaker 4: excuse me, Nick Nurse ends up being the coach, but

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Speaker 4: Dwayne Casey helped build it. But they had culture, They

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Speaker 4: played hard, they knew each other. You know that core

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Speaker 4: and an Obi and Pascal Siakam who are really really

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Speaker 4: the challenge moving forward is if you don't have a

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Speaker 4: culture and you throw a team in, if you throw

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Speaker 4: the big names in, it doesn't work because the big

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Speaker 4: you know, they're they're putting a lot on their shoulders.

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Speaker 3: And that's why we.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate what Lebron James did in Cleveland because he kind

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Speaker 4: of learned from Miami and he was the culture and

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Speaker 4: you mentioned something earlier, you mentioned the Nets. My opinion,

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Speaker 4: that's why the Nets never worked. They didn't have a culture.

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Speaker 4: They really literally cleaned house, clean coaching staff, clean back up,

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Speaker 4: clean the bench, clean the young talent, and you want

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Speaker 4: to start new and while it was arguably the greatest

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Speaker 4: to work because you did not have the culture there

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Speaker 4: think that's what you look forward to, and I think

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Speaker 4: if you sacrifice the culture for a star, that's where

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Speaker 4: you miss out.

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Speaker 4: You can see the physicalities out of ten these guys

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Speaker 2: They remind me a little bit. And I don't mean

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Speaker 1: Mark Listen, Hey, you got my number.

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Speaker 4: I I am just not set on that because here's

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Speaker 4: They went off if they went off turnovers, Minnesota was stagnant.

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Speaker 1: You're probably gonna win it all.

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Speaker 2: And I don't I don't necessarily see this one being

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Speaker 1: What I did mean though, with the comp to the Pistons.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying. And and OKAYC is

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Speaker 1: That just good.

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Speaker 4: But you're playing against a group that moves the basketball, Mark,

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Speaker 2: If they don't, we can. But like that, that's I

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Speaker 1: But you know, been wrong about the Pacers every step

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Speaker 6: So oh you're one of those Well no, no, I'm

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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna challenge you.

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Speaker 2: You're telling me you didn't think before the playoffs started

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Speaker 4: I told, I told you can go back and check

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Speaker 4: together and when they hit shots from the outside, they

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Speaker 4: are hard to guard.

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Speaker 1: But like one thing about Rick, like they're gonna run

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Speaker 1: their stuff.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: And hallt Burton's such a he's a unique star.

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Speaker 4: Now, Mark, if he had the jah Morant vertical or

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Speaker 4: the physicality is Zion or the you know, the the

445
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Speaker 4: the appeal, the talent of a lebron James Halliburton doesn't

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Speaker 4: have that.

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Speaker 2: But he's efficient, dude, no doubt, no doubt. Listen, if

448
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Speaker 2: you were on it early, good on you. I'm still

449
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Speaker 2: taking the thunder in the next series about what happens here.

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Speaker 2: But when you talk, when you talk about a unique

451
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Speaker 2: kind of a star like Tyres Halliburton, I don't know, dude.

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Speaker 2: I got a different kind of unique star. His name

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Speaker 2: is Steve de Seger. Steve de Seger, unique star, I'm

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Speaker 2: talking about.

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Speaker 1: To both of you.

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Speaker 7: Just Dave hello, and by the way, you are on

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Speaker 7: your regular Sunday time slot.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow I will be here.

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Speaker 7: So little programming note for all programming note. With the

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Speaker 7: baseball on Fox.

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Speaker 1: TV right now, it's boring.

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Speaker 7: It's already Dodgers ten nothing over the Yankees. What in

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Speaker 7: the name of Sandy Kofax is going out here? It

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Speaker 7: was four runs in the first inning for LA six

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Speaker 7: in the second inning. It's now ten nothing, end of three.

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Speaker 7: Max Munsey with two hits, four RBIs that includes a

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Speaker 7: home run, Monsey's two hundredth career homer. The Dodgers somehow

468
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Speaker 7: came back to win last night's opener of the weekend series.

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Speaker 7: They were down five to two, gave up four early

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Speaker 7: homers to the Yanks, and New York had seven to zero.

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Speaker 7: Max freed on the mound, and the Dodgers still won

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Speaker 7: eight to five last night. A couple of homers there

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Speaker 7: for Shoheo Tani, who has twenty two at Seattle. Those

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Speaker 7: who aren't seeing the Yankees Dodgers on Fox TV are

475
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Speaker 7: seeing this one. Cal Rawley is hit his twenty second

476
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Speaker 7: home run of the season, and its Mariners down three

477
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Speaker 7: to two against the Twins in the top of the fourth.

478
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 7: In an hour, the Padres will host the Pirates. The

479
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Speaker 7: late game will be on FS one Nationals at Arizona

480
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Speaker 7: Diamondbacks starter Brandon Fodd is seven and three that starts

481
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Speaker 7: at ten ten pm Eastern Time. Cleveland and Atlanta each

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Speaker 7: one at home. Kansas City as well beat Detroit one nothing,

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Speaker 7: ending the Tigers five game winning streat road wins for

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Speaker 7: Saint Louis and Tampa Bay. Miami won nothing over the Giants,

485
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Speaker 7: beating Robbie Reyo I had been seven to zero. The

486
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Speaker 7: Mets are going to be at Dodger Stadium after this

487
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Speaker 7: weekend for a four game series, and the Mets are

488
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Speaker 7: now tied for first in the NL East. Philadelphia lost

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Speaker 7: at home seventeen to seven to the Brewers, who've won

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Speaker 7: six straight, and the Mets beat Colorado eight to two. Yes,

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Speaker 7: these do count as full victories, even though Colorado has

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Speaker 7: been town all weekend. Eight to the final. The Rockies

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Speaker 7: have lost seven in a row. They are nine and

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Speaker 7: forty nine this season. There just is no bottom to this.

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Speaker 1: Do their run differential next? Do their run differential?

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Speaker 7: Hey, I'll tell you this. They have lost every series

497
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Speaker 7: they have played this year. They have won not a one.

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Speaker 7: They've played nineteen series and they have lost all nineteen.

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Speaker 7: The run differential, they've been outscored by almost two hundred runs.

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Speaker 2: In the differential is a bigger number than their run scored,

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Speaker 2: so that means that their opponents are scoring more than

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Speaker 2: two runs for every run they score.

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Speaker 7: Now that's a tennisday.

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Speaker 2: They've played thirty road games, they've won three of them.

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Speaker 1: Three.

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Speaker 7: The losing starter today, Antonio Senzateela, is now one in

507
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Speaker 7: ten with an ERA of seven point one four.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 7: I repeat, there is no bottom to this. I mean,

510
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Speaker 7: the happiest man in America has to be the manager

511
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Speaker 7: who's already been fired from this and doesn't have to

512
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Speaker 7: go for this. He's still cashing checks, you know, and

513
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Speaker 7: he doesn't have to go through this. Also. It's just wow,

514
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Speaker 7: what it's going on here. To the NBA Playoffs, The

515
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Speaker 7: East Finals could be ending tonight's its early second quarter

516
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Speaker 7: at Indiana Pacers twenty eight twenty seven over the New

517
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Speaker 7: York Knicks in Game six. Pacers up three games to

518
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Speaker 7: two in the series. The NBA Finals begin Thursday, June

519
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Speaker 7: the fifth, in Oklahoma City, Stanley Cup Finals starts Wednesday

520
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 7: with Florida at Edmonton. Go Golf won our third round

521
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Speaker 7: match at the French Open, Jessica Bagoula and Madison Keys

522
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Speaker 7: each advance. Scottie Scheffler leads at the Memorial by one

523
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Speaker 7: stroke after a third round sixty eight. Paris and er

524
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Speaker 7: Man won the Champions League Final today by a record

525
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Speaker 7: five nothing over inter Milan. And at the Women's College

526
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Speaker 7: World Series, Texas beat Oklahoma in a surprise four to

527
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Speaker 7: two e in Oklahoma City. It's double elimination.

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Speaker 1: Back to you, great stuff, Steve, appreciate it soon. I

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Speaker 1: mean a unique star star.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, say Steve de Sega. We're in the Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Radio studios. Ryan, I need you to explain a

532
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Speaker 2: few things to me tonight. Always love when I can

533
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Speaker 2: sit here and run stuff by someone who's actually lived this.

534
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: But you didn't actually live this, this portion of professional sports,

535
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: because this rule when you were at UCLA, it wasn't

536
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Speaker 2: here yet. And so I'm gonna, you know, Steve just said,

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Speaker 2: programming note, I'll be on my normal slot with Ephraim

538
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Speaker 2: tomorrow night, and I will and one of the things

539
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do on that show tomorrow night is lay

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Speaker 2: on the sword because he and I had kind of

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Speaker 2: I don't want to call it a running debate because

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Speaker 2: it wasn't even really like an opinion, but it was

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Speaker 2: a conversation with regard to Cooper flag and.

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Speaker 1: My thought being that.

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Speaker 2: You know, when you're clearly the number one pick in

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Speaker 2: the draft, Like I thought it was funny that people were.

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Speaker 1: Like, oh, I'm not sure if Cooper's coming out.

548
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, Cooper's coming out, and Ephraim started talking about

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Speaker 2: where the whole nil world is right now and how

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Speaker 2: for Cooper this was a harder decision than maybe you

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Speaker 2: might think at first glance. Then a story came out

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Speaker 2: yesterday and it's only a report, but it is an

553
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Speaker 2: official report that Cooper flags nil Deal in the only

554
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Speaker 2: year that he has played at Duke, that nil Deal

555
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Speaker 2: reached twenty eight million dollars. Twenty eight million dollars, And

556
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Speaker 2: so I am going to completely throw my car in reverse.

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Speaker 1: I am going to do a three point turn, and

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Speaker 1: I am.

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Speaker 2: Going to drive the other way now on the highway,

560
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Speaker 2: and I will lay on that sword for Eve from

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Speaker 2: tomorrow night, because I literally, if that's the case, I

562
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Speaker 2: don't know why the hell he went to the league.

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Speaker 2: Explain to me, give me one good reason, knowing that

564
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Speaker 2: injury insurance is out there and you're making thirty million

565
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Speaker 2: a year and that number would only go up if

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Speaker 2: he came back for his sophomore year. We all know,

567
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Speaker 2: being the BMOC at Duke University and the best player

568
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Speaker 2: in the whole world, I know what's more fun than

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Speaker 2: real life, and that's college.

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Speaker 1: Why on earth did this guy go to the league?

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Speaker 4: Well, listen, the NIL is definitely challenging. There's there's no question,

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Speaker 4: there's vally validity there. But as the number one pick,

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Speaker 4: you know, don't just look at his contract, he's gonna

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Speaker 4: be privy to a number of endorsements. H Cooper flag

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Speaker 4: as a gosh, what the right thing to be say?

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Speaker 5: He?

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Speaker 1: I guess American born white player. I don't want to offend.

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Speaker 4: Anybody by saying that he's gonna be box office.

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Speaker 1: You're saying, you're saying he's.

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Speaker 4: Gonna have a fan base. Okay, American born white player

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Speaker 4: goes number one. That's just what it is. I don't again,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to offend, but that's just that's what's

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Speaker 4: what it is. So he's gonna have a number of opportunity,

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Speaker 4: but like like if I pick number ten, like eleven,

585
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Speaker 4: like the NCAA can go challenge those guys and say, hey,

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Speaker 4: you might go to a bad team. Do you want

587
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Speaker 4: to go play for, you know, a developing team. Do

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Speaker 4: you want to deal with that stress? And then Cooper

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Speaker 4: Flags like I'm going to Dallas.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like.

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Speaker 4: You're just not shipping off, you know, in the middle anywhere.

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Speaker 4: Like I'm going to Dallas. Man, this is gonna work.

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Speaker 4: So againting the challenge is there, But for Cooper Flag, no,

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Speaker 4: it still makes sense.

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Speaker 3: But as that.

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Speaker 4: Number gets higher and higher, you know, you're seeing a

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Speaker 4: number of guys, think three or four of them were

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Speaker 4: slated as first round draft picks that have that have

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Speaker 4: backed out and said, man, I'm going back to school

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Speaker 4: because the price just went up.

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Speaker 2: Mark Well, and I don't even know what the Nile

602
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Speaker 2: numbers would be for these other players. Like I'll let

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Speaker 2: you know, yeah, I think you know this, Like the

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Speaker 2: average American sportsman can name one person.

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Speaker 1: Who's gonna be in the NBA Draft this year. One.

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Speaker 2: I know the Spurs are gonna get a really good

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Speaker 2: player at number two. I know there are a bunch

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Speaker 2: of duke freshmen who are all gonna, you know, be

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Speaker 2: interesting players at the next level, other lottery picks.

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Speaker 1: I know all of the things, but like this is

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Speaker 1: also my job.

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Speaker 2: Most sports fans in this country know Cooper Flag and

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Speaker 2: that's it. And so that's why his NIL number is

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Speaker 2: so large. And I fully understand what you're saying about

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Speaker 2: the opportunities that will come. I would just argue that

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Speaker 2: those would still be there again next year, that's all.

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Speaker 1: And I know you're risking injury and all of these things, but.

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Speaker 4: He's gonna take a four year deal in the NBA,

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Speaker 4: and even like in the NBA, and let's say he

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Speaker 4: gets injured, right, Let's see, he doesn't have it like

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Speaker 4: the potential, like as a first round pick, and he

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Speaker 4: may not be number one next year. That may not

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Speaker 4: always be there, Mark, Like yes, Mark, that may not

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Speaker 4: always be there. He may not have a good year.

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Speaker 4: Maybe a European kid we've never heard of. We just

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Speaker 4: don't know. And if he goes four years and it

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Speaker 4: doesn't quite pan out, a team is still gonna pay

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Speaker 4: him a lot of money because they're like, man, he

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Speaker 4: was the first pick we saw X, Y and Z

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Speaker 4: and him. Let's take a shot, and that normally happens

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Speaker 4: with those guys that are picked that high. A team

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Speaker 4: is going to be more willing to say, let's take

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Speaker 4: a shot on him than that middle second rounder.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: So it is a smart move when you look at

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Speaker 4: his future in hand and look, Mark, I get it.

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Speaker 4: I get every I get everything that you guys are

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Speaker 4: saying in.

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Speaker 1: That twenty eight million dollars. Holy crap. I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 2: If I've got a kid making millions of dollars in college,

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Speaker 2: I would tell him or her to stay there as

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Speaker 2: long as possible because the fun like, it's a downward

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Speaker 2: staircase from there. Your time at UCLA, your favorite time

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Speaker 2: of life. No, no, okay, that's interesting. You know what,

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Speaker 2: I'll ask you what was I'll ask you what was

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Speaker 2: coming up next? And also coming up at the top

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Speaker 2: of the hour, we got weird stuff going on with

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Speaker 2: at least one NFL team out the quarterback position that

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Speaker 2: we need to talk about, and we will live in

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Speaker 2: the Fox Sports Radio studios with Ryan Hollins. I'm Mark Willard,

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

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Speaker 2: As usual, Mary in her Bag on the weekend here

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Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio Live, Fox Sports Radio Studios, Ryan.

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Speaker 2: This is the This is the opportunity I often take whenever,

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Speaker 2: because this is not normal where I get an opportunity

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Speaker 2: to chat on Fox Sports Radio right after our colleague Steve.

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Speaker 1: Hartman has done a show.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if you know this, but Steve

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Speaker 2: Hartman burns up the southern califreeways like no one else.

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Speaker 2: And so my hope is that he's tuned into us

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Speaker 2: right now and so that he can hear me when

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Speaker 2: I say this, because this will drive him absolutely batty.

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Speaker 2: I would like to talk about something related to the

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Speaker 2: College Football Hall of Fame, and I would like to

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Speaker 2: tell Steve who has a Heisman vote. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if he's ever mentioned that to you. Really, Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: things like the Heisman in the Hall of Fame, which

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Speaker 2: are usually the first things he thinks about when he

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Speaker 2: wakes up in the morning, they're.

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Speaker 1: Really kind of silly. In my opinion, they're really kind

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Speaker 1: of silly.

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Speaker 2: Not because I have a problem with awards and acknowledgments.

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Speaker 2: They're silly because of the high falutin nature by which

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Speaker 2: we elect people for these honors. That's what actually gets me.

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Speaker 2: And so the college Football Hall of Fame has made

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Speaker 2: changes to its coaching criteria for making the Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 2: and my whole body is already cringing when I use

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Speaker 2: the phrase coaching criteria.

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Speaker 1: Yuck, gross, stop it.

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Speaker 2: Stop being so arrogant coaching criteria. Look, the bottom line

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Speaker 2: on any Hall of Fame, if you ask me, is

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Speaker 2: it's sort of the same way the government decides whether

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Speaker 2: or not.

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Speaker 1: Something is indecent. I'll know it if I see it.

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Speaker 2: I will know a Hall of Famer when I see

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Speaker 2: him or her.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 2: And so the whole thing is, I grant you very

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Speaker 2: very subjective, and I personally lean very firmly in the

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Speaker 2: direction of let people in. Let people in. If they

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Speaker 2: do great things in sport, let them in. Why does

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Speaker 2: it hurt you if somebody has got a plaque in

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Speaker 2: a museum, who cares?

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Speaker 1: So? What bothers me about this is two things.

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Speaker 2: First of all, they change their criteria, and it makes

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Speaker 2: Mike Leech eligible. Well, Mike's no longer with us, the

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Speaker 2: same way that things suddenly changed in the favor of

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Speaker 2: Pete Rose a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: No longer with us.

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Speaker 2: Stop making changes that help people right after they die.

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Speaker 1: It's really lame.

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Speaker 2: If you have this autonomy, then please just do it

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Speaker 2: when these people are still with us, so that maybe

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Speaker 2: they can enjoy.

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Speaker 1: This and be acknowledged.

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Speaker 2: The other thing that bugs me about it, though, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: they changed listen to this now.

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Speaker 1: Somebody sat around a room and debated this.

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Speaker 2: And voted and then came out with white smoke and

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00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 2: thought that this was really significant. Somebody sat down and

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Speaker 2: changed the requirements on career winning percentage from sixty percent

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Speaker 2: to fifty.

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Speaker 1: Nine point five percent.

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Speaker 2: Like, I'm just imagining people yelling at each other in

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Speaker 2: a hotel ballroom about this, and I'm like, I just

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry these like you cannot get over yourselves. There

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Speaker 2: should not be a number at all because it removes

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Speaker 2: context from the conversation, and I think all of sports

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Speaker 2: lies in the context, not in the final numbers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, I hear what you're saying, and you know, I

723
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Speaker 3: get it.

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Speaker 4: You want to preserve the integrity of the game and

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Speaker 4: the selections, and you want it to be genuine because

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Speaker 4: all situations are not created equal, and you bring criteria,

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Speaker 4: you either open the door for somebody or you cut

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Speaker 4: somebody out over someone something minuscule and You're right. There's

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Speaker 4: probably one coach in mind when they made this rule change.

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Speaker 3: And obviously, hey, you.

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Speaker 4: Know you want to be able to bring in names

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Speaker 4: that bring notoriety. There is money to be made by

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Speaker 4: these selections. It is a prestigious club. There's value that

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Speaker 4: comes to the table. Mark, So I get it. But

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Speaker 4: you have to make these plays and they can be

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Speaker 4: shifted around one person or one coach, and I think

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Speaker 4: that's just part of it, because you don't want to

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Speaker 4: leave out the wrong coach.

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Speaker 1: And I'm with you. It does stink when you don't.

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Speaker 4: Give coaches or players their flowers when they need it.

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Speaker 4: I'm like you, Mark, I get it. You want someone

742
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Speaker 4: to have their flowers when they're there, when they can

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Speaker 4: appreciate them, when you can celebrate them. And you know,

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00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 4: it kind of stinks when you don't have those opportunities.

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Speaker 4: But I think that ultimately, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 4: that is going to be good for the sport and

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Speaker 4: for the committee because you get the right players in,

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Speaker 4: you get the right coaches in, and it brings notoriety.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just think numbers. We look at them

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Speaker 2: in such a funny way, like, let me do a

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00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: quick test with you. We know Emmett Smith has way

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Speaker 2: more yards than Barry Sanders, who was a better running back.

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Speaker 4: Oh, Barry Sanders. If he had that line, he was

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Speaker 4: in touch for like five yards.

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Speaker 1: That Cowboys coorse it was Barry Sanders.

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Speaker 2: But the numbers would say, oh, that's all I'm getting out.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of football, there's one team we need to call

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Speaker 2: out and we will next.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

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Speaker 2: A couple of free throw attempts a minute ago there

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Speaker 2: for Jalen Brunson. I'll tell you why that kind of

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Speaker 2: triggers me a little bit. I'll surprise you with this

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Speaker 2: and Ryan, I really want your take on it. It's

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Speaker 2: something Ephram and I have been talking a lot about

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Speaker 2: this year. Would love to get you to weigh in

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Speaker 2: on this. We're broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. Yes,

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Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers have had a joke of an offseason.

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Speaker 2: We'll make fun of them in a little bit, but

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Speaker 2: let's start with this as the Pacers and Knicks are

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Speaker 2: doing their thing. It's an elimination game. The Pacers have

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Speaker 2: a narrow lead about two thirds of the way here

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Speaker 2: through the second quarter, and we will keep you up

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Speaker 2: to date. I should tell you this about that Thunder

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Speaker 2: Pacers series that I do think is going to hop

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Speaker 2: in and I think the thunder are going to win it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not rooting for that. I don't know if that

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Speaker 2: helps you at all. I'm rooting for the Pacers. Want

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Speaker 2: to know why?

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Speaker 1: Why? Because I don't think the Pacers have any foulbaters. Hmmm.

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Speaker 2: This is now how, This is how, and I know

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Speaker 2: that everybody does it to a certain degree, but I'm

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Speaker 2: talking about the egregious ones.

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Speaker 1: And I'll give you the four or five names if

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Speaker 1: you want.

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00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: In the NBA, but I have, just like many of

786
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 2: us do, a favorite team, and then when that favorite

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Speaker 2: team is out, I choose who I am rooting for

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Speaker 2: based on who foul bates less. That is now how

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Speaker 2: I watch the NBA because I am so turned off.

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00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: I am so and some of the players that bother

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Speaker 2: me are on the team that I root for. So

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Speaker 2: this is not about anything other than just the purity

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Speaker 2: of the sport, the game that I love, the game

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Speaker 2: that I played in high school and loved more than anything,

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Speaker 2: like I cannot stand.

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Speaker 1: The handful of players in the NBA.

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Speaker 2: James Harden I cannot stand the players who have followed

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Speaker 2: suit from James Harden and quite frankly, Chris Paul and others,

799
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Speaker 2: the snapping of the head constantly.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson last week.

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Speaker 2: Grabbed the hand of one of the Pacers players and

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Speaker 2: slapped his own face with a Pacer player's hand so

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Speaker 2: that he could head snap and.

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Speaker 1: Get a foul CALT and it worked. And I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: If I'm the NBA, you have got to figure out

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Speaker 2: a way to have the officials either more ready for

807
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: this or a review process that maybe even happens after

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00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 2: the fact they promised this years ago. You're supposed to

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00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: get fined for flopping, don't You don't, But nobody even

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Speaker 2: knows that.

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Speaker 1: Rule because it doesn't happen.

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Speaker 2: But I'm looking at you Harden, I'm looking at you Brunson,

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Speaker 2: and I'm looking at you MVP.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at you, and I'm now root.

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Speaker 2: I actively root against those players because I'll give you

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Speaker 2: a handful of guys who are doing it at a

817
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Speaker 2: high level who don't do that.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't see Halliburton do that. I don't see Anthony

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Speaker 2: Edwards do that. I don't quite frankly see Steph Curry.

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Speaker 1: Do that not nearly as much this head snap thing.

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Speaker 2: Nick Wright had that great point on FS one this

823
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Speaker 2: week where you know, the whole like asking the bench

824
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Speaker 2: for review thing. He had this great take where he's like,

825
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: you know what to make that just like a timeout.

826
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Speaker 2: If you make that move, great, we're reviewing it. We're

827
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Speaker 2: reviewing every time you do that. That's automatically a review

828
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Speaker 2: and you'll immediately stop guys from doing it. We gotta

829
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Speaker 2: do something about this head snap too. I'm telling you

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Speaker 2: fans hate it with a capital H.

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Speaker 1: It's terrible TV.

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Speaker 4: The NBA has it, they just don't enforce it. And

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Speaker 4: I think what we'll see, Mark is it's gonna end

834
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Speaker 4: up being a point of emphasis next year.

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Speaker 3: And what do I have.

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Speaker 4: It's it's called a flop warning. The first one is

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Speaker 4: a warning, second one I think it goes technical and

838
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 4: so on and so forth. I think, and it sows

839
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Speaker 4: down the game, Mark, So you got to be careful

840
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Speaker 4: what you ask for. But I think the review of

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Speaker 4: the flop warnings, and it's been enforced a couple times

842
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 4: but not really really there. But I think the flop

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00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 4: warnings will be there. And what happens is with the

844
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Speaker 4: Hardens and the SGA's. These guys are so good at

845
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 4: the game of basketball that they have mastered the art,

846
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Speaker 4: and these are fouls.

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Speaker 1: They are getting fouled for the most part.

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Speaker 4: Now, there are the occasions like which you just noted,

849
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Speaker 4: the like the trickery, you know, and the game happens

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00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 4: so fast. And I challenge anybody as we watch on

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Speaker 4: TV comfortably.

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00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 3: And and and we can see it and say that's

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00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 3: a foul. You can't see that.

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Speaker 1: Go sit in the front row at a game if

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00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: even if you have the.

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00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 4: Blessing and the chance that maybe you can't afford that,

857
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,959
Speaker 4: go to a pickup run if you get a chance,

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00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 4: or even you get to see the pros at the

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Speaker 4: Drew League in LA or or or or or any

860
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Speaker 4: of these places, and get up close and look at

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Speaker 4: how fast these guys are, and you'll understand the difficulty

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00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 4: for the referees. But I think what we will see

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00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 4: is the point of emphasis that says, you know what,

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Speaker 4: when you do that, it's gonna be a fine, there's

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Speaker 4: gonna be a penalty. Uh, it's gonna hey, it's gonna

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Speaker 4: it may even count as a foul. And that is

867
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Speaker 4: gonna change. So the NBA has it, it's just not

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Speaker 4: enforced enough.

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Speaker 2: Well okay, yeah, I here's the part where I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I'm not coming after the refs. I I don't know

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Speaker 2: how they're supposed to do this anymore.

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Speaker 1: Well, they don't enforce a flop warning. You see the flop.

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Speaker 2: But it's not just Gap and Ryan like the one area.

874
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: It's a one area. Where I disagree with you is

875
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 2: that when you sort of refer to the Hardens and

876
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 2: the sgash occasionally there's some history onics where they make

877
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 2: it look like something happened occasionally. If you mean every possession,

878
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: then yes, I'll go occasionally. But but but my god,

879
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 2: this head snap thing, it's it's not a flop, but

880
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 2: it is, as you called it, an artistry to making

881
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: the official think something happened that didn't happen. And that's

882
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 2: that's kind of what I want the new review to be.

883
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: If you get somebody to call there it's a flop,

884
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: well if you want to use that word. But I'm

885
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: not even just talking about people falling down. I'm talking

886
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: about all of the stuff that happens on the drive

887
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: where you're making it look like there's contact when there's none.

888
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: And then here's here's the ultimate hard part about it

889
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: for officials, because they're human beings. So here's what happens.

890
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: Ryan.

891
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 2: They'll call a foul and then someone will review it

892
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: and be like, that's not a foul, and then they'll

893
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: go to the review. And I've long thought this is

894
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: the biggest problem with review. Who's reviewing the play in

895
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 2: the NBA uh secaucus?

896
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 4: And I want you guys to know, if you didn't know,

897
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 4: the lead officials, the lead referees there can actually overrule

898
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 4: secaucus if the exactly they have something substantial.

899
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 1: Exactly, And that's my problem.

900
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 2: My problem is is the officials on the floor are

901
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 2: reviewing their own call. Could we find a more biased

902
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 2: person on the face of the planet to look at

903
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 2: a decision? You're looking at your own decision. I mean,

904
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 2: my god, think if we did that with all of

905
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 2: the things in life. I mean, go to any couple

906
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: that's ever been divorced. They all think they're right. And

907
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: so now these officials are heading over to the sideline

908
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 2: so that they can check their own call.

909
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: Of course they're oh, yep, I see contact.

910
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 2: No you don't, no, you don't not actual contact, So

911
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 2: the whole review process is flawed.

912
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: To me. You need someone with brand new eyes on it.

913
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 2: And if you determine that a player is trying to

914
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: make the officials believe that.

915
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: Contact happened that did not happen, then.

916
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: I like your idea. It's now a foul going in

917
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 2: the other direction. That's what I would do, Mark, Damar,

918
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: hear what you're saying. You're a spot on.

919
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 4: If you are flipping your head back and you are

920
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 4: not receiving contact and it's looked at, that should be

921
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 4: a technical.

922
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 3: Dam what I heard. You are spot on, Mark. If

923
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 3: you are.

924
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 4: Flipping your head back and you haven't been hit, that

925
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 4: should be a technical.

926
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: That should be taken out the game.

927
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 4: If someone trucks you as you drive or shouldering you

928
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 4: and causing that head to go back, that should be reviewable.

929
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 3: That is that is not good.

930
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 4: You're at all of it and and it does have

931
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 4: to come down.

932
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 1: Mark.

933
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 3: I absolutely agree with.

934
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 2: You, And I mean I can give you the top

935
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: five people who do this, and and I mean we

936
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 2: should be naming the rule after them.

937
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 4: It's but don't get me wrong, it's a part of

938
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 4: the game because when these guys guard you, the defenders.

939
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 4: They're so physical. So there is an art to drawing fouls,

940
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 4: for sure. But it's Mark, tell me if I'm wrong

941
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 4: with what you're saying.

942
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 2: It's the theatrics, Yes, yes, Luca, Yes, yes, it's the theatrics,

943
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 2: followed then by the palms up and then by turning

944
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: to the bench and flipping your review finger at your

945
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 2: coach while the other team has the ball running the

946
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 2: other way.

947
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 4: Now, I will say I will say this, Mark, Uh

948
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 4: this year, even Craig Akerbino does a great job calls

949
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 4: the broadcast with me. Yes, with Houston, we have seen that,

950
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 4: and like we even joke with our guys and I'll say, hey,

951
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 4: no NBA player has ever committed a foul. You know,

952
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 4: we'll joke about our guys and kind of even like

953
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 4: even hold our guys accountable.

954
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 3: We're not just homers, just like.

955
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 4: Hey, it's not good, you know, may stop stop doing that,

956
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 4: you know, because you throw off the officials. But I

957
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 4: will say the absolute maturity in the group with our guys,

958
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 4: I promise you they actually the play. Our guys were

959
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 4: making reviews and calling for calls, and the coaching staff

960
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 4: was giving trust to a Van Vliet or shingoon and

961
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 4: they were winning those challenges. Hey, I didn't touch that

962
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 4: ball that just went out of bounds. Hey I didn't

963
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 4: foul that guy. And those reviews were accurate. So I

964
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 4: did see, at least from a Houston rocketson the maturity

965
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 4: in our guys. We're joking, hey man, and we were

966
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 4: giving the players credit, like, hey, you're calling for this

967
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 4: foul and it was a foul or didn't go off

968
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 4: you in that place. So you know, I hear it.

969
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 4: I hear it both ways. I don't think it's the

970
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 4: worst thing ever, but you know, I'm a former player too,

971
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 4: so my lens is a little table.

972
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: The emotion. You're not gonna take the emotion out of

973
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: the game.

974
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 2: And if you feel like you didn't touch someone and

975
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 2: they call a foul, you're And we now have this

976
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 2: review process, it's impossible to get these players to not

977
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: have an emotional reaction to tell their coach, I didn't

978
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: touch it.

979
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 4: But no because it's a lot, but he could call

980
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 4: it could cost you the game. And I've seen this

981
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 4: and market let me, I says, have you seen it

982
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 4: like kind of like with a star player like a

983
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 4: Lebron or somebody, and then he's wrong and air start

984
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 4: guy like Ylkicch can demand.

985
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: Okay, it happens with the Warriors all the time.

986
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 2: If Draymond tells Steve Kurder review, it's an automatic review.

987
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 2: If Brandon Pajemski does, Steve will look at him and

988
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 2: go shout up, like we have an iPad behind the bench.

989
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: We're looking at it. Won't handle this, don't don't. Don't

990
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 2: tell us what to do. But if Draymond asked, there's

991
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 2: no questions asked. Off we go to the review, right,

992
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: and that's yeah, that's that's the resume of a player.

993
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: So anyway, all right.

994
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 3: We I like it, I like, I like it, but

995
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 3: call the guys out.

996
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's fair. That that's completely fair. It's halftime,

997
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 2: the Pacers are up by four. Let's get kind of

998
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 2: a first half review. And then I do want to

999
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: get to the Steelers as well, because I don't get it,

1000
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: and I've never thought that about the Pittsburgh Steelers before.

1001
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: So we'll keep riding on this.

1002
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 2: We're broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. Good

1003
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 2: Saturday evening to you. That's Ryan Hollins, I'm Mark Willard.

1004
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,319
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1005
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,160
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1006
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,279
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1007
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1009
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1010
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1011
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1015
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: I don't get it, and I usually get it.

1016
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: And what I'm talking about is, in this particular case,

1017
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers. Ryan, It's June tomorrow. OTA's are open.

1018
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: The NBA Finals start on Thursday. When those things start

1019
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 2: happening and the kids get out of school and the

1020
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: NBA Finals are being played, people start making plans for

1021
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 2: their fantasy drafts two months away, people start thinking about

1022
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 2: football to a certain degree. Scott Hansen, who is the

1023
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 2: host of the Red Zone Channel, tweeted yesterday that were

1024
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 2: one hundred days away from the first NFL Sunday, which

1025
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 2: means now we're ninety nine days away from the first

1026
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 2: NFL Sunday, and one of the most respected organizations in

1027
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 2: the history of the sport has decided to not have

1028
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 2: a quarterback.

1029
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: And I just think.

1030
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 2: It's literally one of the strangest things that I've ever seen.

1031
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,280
Speaker 2: Our friend and colleague over at FS one Joy Taylor,

1032
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 2: this week kind of went on a rant criticizing like

1033
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers for not being there for OTAs, and people

1034
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 2: came down her road because they're like, he's not on

1035
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: the Steelers and she's like, right, that's kind of my point.

1036
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: That's kind of my point.

1037
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 2: So it's become very easy to criticize Aaron Rodgers. Oh,

1038
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 2: this narcissist who thinks this, that or the other about

1039
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: himself and he's not a great player anymore because he's forty.

1040
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: I'm done looking at Aaron. If you're waiting on Aaron,

1041
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: that's now your fault. That is your fault.

1042
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 2: So whether you want to try to trade for Kirk

1043
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 2: Cousins or whether you should have had some other sort

1044
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 2: of plan BC or D, if the Steelers are truly

1045
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: still waiting on Aaron Rodgers, we have reached the that's

1046
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 2: your fault zone. I cannot believe that they're going to

1047
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 2: go through off season activities with a brand new receiving

1048
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 2: corps and no quarterback wild good luck competing in your

1049
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,439
Speaker 2: division with Lamar Jackson and Joe.

1050
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: Burrow a blast. Well, I can't believe it.

1051
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 3: You know, they must feel like they have.

1052
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 4: A backup or that position is pretty insignificant, and you know,

1053
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 4: you can kind of uh, you know, Tomlin can go

1054
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 4: out and get you a winning season, and that's kind

1055
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 4: of what they've done. They they've gotten comfortable well since

1056
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 4: you know, no Big Ben and just having enough there

1057
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 4: and that's really ultimately what it looks like what you

1058
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 4: see and just Aaron Rodgers deal.

1059
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what it is.

1060
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 4: I'm not privy what's going on behind the scenes, but uh,

1061
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 4: just sign him, get get him what he wants, you know,

1062
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 4: get get, get through with it. So I think maybe

1063
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 4: they feel like they can get Aaron for less. You know,

1064
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 4: maybe there's miscommunication in the front office. Aaron is old

1065
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 4: enough to understand, maybe he has more leverage than he's

1066
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 4: leading on. But it is definitely pressed into a situation

1067
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 4: where you're saying, hey, get this done. And you know, Mark,

1068
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 4: come on, man, you know that this is the ugly

1069
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 4: part of football, is what negotiations, players have to hold

1070
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 4: out to get their money. It's not good, and I

1071
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 4: don't think it's something we'll be talking about moving forward.

1072
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 4: They'll get it done as soon as it signs. But

1073
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 4: right now, in the meanwhile, it's, you know, everybody scratching

1074
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 4: their heads.

1075
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1076
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 2: I see it as a little bit different than that,

1077
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 2: because I really don't think that money.

1078
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: Could be much of a hold up for Aaron Rodgers.

1079
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 2: This is not someone that is going to command some

1080
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 2: sort of a long term.

1081
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: High money deal anymore.

1082
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 2: Like, it's just not who he is, and so if

1083
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 2: he's asking for that, then the Steelers should have moved on.

1084
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,919
Speaker 2: But I don't think he's asking for that. I don't

1085
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 2: even know what the hell he's asking for. My best

1086
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 2: guess is that he's just old and he doesn't want

1087
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 2: to do May in June anymore, which is fine, I

1088
00:57:56,040 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 2: guess from an individual perspective, it's not okay for the Steelers. Again,

1089
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 2: if this were I mean, quite frankly, the New Orleans

1090
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 2: Saints apparently got caught with their pants down. You know,

1091
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 2: Derek Carr retired. Did the Saints know that was coming,

1092
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 2: I'd argue yes. Did they address it in the draft

1093
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 2: a little bit, but I'd argue the Saints aren't really

1094
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 2: trying to win that division because it's a very winnable division,

1095
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 2: but it's also therefore kind of a losable spot, like

1096
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 2: no one's winning the super Bowl out of that division.

1097
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 2: So the Saints are like, Eh, let's just kind of

1098
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 2: weave our way through this and you know, maybe we'll

1099
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 2: end up with a really good draft pick and we

1100
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: can address the quarterback thing next year.

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00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: There's no pressure. This is the Steelers.

1102
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 2: I mean, that's kind of what I want if I

1103
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 2: were sitting down in front of their execs. I mean,

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00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 2: you can't, dude, You're the Steelers. This is a very

1105
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 2: proud fan base. This is a very proud organization. This

1106
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 2: is a future Hall of Fame coach. Like be legitimate,

1107
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 2: You're illegitimate right now? Yeah, like Will Howard, Mason Rudolph

1108
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: and Skyler Thompson, Like you're really testing this theory because

1109
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 2: like last year it's like, well, they didn't get great

1110
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 2: performances out of the quarterback position, yet Russell.

1111
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: Wilson was on the team.

1112
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 2: Like that's a I know he's late in his career,

1113
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 2: but he's won a super Bowl. Like that's a quarterback

1114
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 2: that's an actual quarterback, and some people, mainly the Jets,

1115
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 2: think they're backup. Last year it was an actual quarterback.

1116
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 2: Justin fields. You don't have any actual quarterbacks on you,

1117
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 2: you can't play it, can't start the season like this.

1118
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't get I get it. No, I understand

1119
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 4: the frustration. And again it's like my first statement, Mark,

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00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 4: clearly it's not a position that they're valuing. They feel

1121
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,919
Speaker 4: like Tomlin can you know, work with whatever is there

1122
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 4: and be successful, And he essentially has, like I said,

1123
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Speaker 4: like I agree with you. Without Ben, Without since Ben Roethlisberger,

1124
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 4: has it been a Steeler. They haven't really feeled the

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01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 4: position like that. And even if you look around the league,

1126
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 4: you know, for a while you got to think you

1127
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 4: have Brady played forever, Drew Brees played forever, Eli I

1128
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 4: met like like there was such talent at the quarterback position.

1129
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 4: I dare to say, Man, the talent levels maybe just

1130
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 4: from a top to bottom worst it's ever been. There's

1131
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 4: more questions and answers, and it's not just as Steelers

1132
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 4: with that. But again, I do find it inexcusable not

1133
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 4: to have that failed. I'm not sure with the you

1134
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 4: know with you know NFL veterans, how big OTAs are,

1135
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 4: how valued they are. And again, maybe it's a negotiation

1136
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 4: gone wrong.

1137
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: Maybe they know something we don't know. Mark, Yeah, well,

1138
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: they may know something we don't know.

1139
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 2: I'm sure they do, but I would automatically argue, no

1140
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 2: matter what it is, they know everybody's going about it

1141
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 2: the wrong way. Like do OTAs matter? Not for all teams,

1142
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 2: but they do for this one. They absolutely do for

1143
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,959
Speaker 2: this one. Their best running backs gone, their best wide

1144
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 2: receivers gone, their quarterback's gone. You're telling me that at

1145
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 2: those three positions, you don't need to work out together

1146
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 2: in May and June. I would argue vehemently against that, like,

1147
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 2: this is absolutely vital time together with whoever these people

1148
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 2: are going to be. And we don't even know yet,

1149
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 2: right DK Metcalf is there now. I don't even really

1150
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 2: know who their number one running back is going to be,

1151
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 2: and we obviously don't know who their quarterback is going

1152
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 2: to be. And I'm of the opinion that when the

1153
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 2: calendar hits the j months, you have to know that.

1154
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I get it, I get it, and I

1155
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 4: understand it. And with the new core, there's no question there.

1156
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 4: But hey, now, I think you should always get effort

1157
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 4: in the season. I think it's it's not a good

1158
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 4: look when you don't mark. But at the end of

1159
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 4: the day, what really are the expectations for the Steelers?

1160
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 4: You know, what options do they have out there? You know,

1161
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 4: if you are going after Aaron Rodgers, he's a vet,

1162
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 4: he knows what to do. Obviously, again the gift and

1163
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 4: the curse with Timmlan, He's gonna get you to the playoffs.

1164
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 4: You'll have a winning season. Hey, that defense is gonna

1165
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 4: be intact. But you know, what really are the expectations.

1166
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 2: I would argue higher than you think. I know, they're

1167
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 2: in a really good division. Higher than you think. I mean, like,

1168
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, Ask me what my expectations are. Every

1169
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 2: time Steve de Seger joins us, they're high. They're very

1170
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 2: very high.

1171
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 7: Exactly the same thing. Sure, let's update the baseball shall wait.

1172
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 7: Good evening once again at Dodger Stadium on Fox TV

1173
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 7: for most of the country, it's Dodgers fourteen to one

1174
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 7: over the Yankees. In the bottom of the sixth. It

1175
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 7: was ten to nothing in the second inning. To say

1176
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 7: the least, the Dodgers were not favored last night, and

1177
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 7: yet came back and win. And we're not favored tonight

1178
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 7: with Land and Knack on the mound and his ERA

1179
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 7: over five, and yet he throws six innings with six strikeouts,

1180
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 7: allowed just one run and Aaron Judge homer, his twentieth.

1181
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 7: That's the only Yankee scoring the three game sec He's

1182
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 7: completed Tomorrow night, and then the Mets are in for

1183
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 7: four in LA starting Monday. By the way, for the

1184
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 7: Dodgers this evening, Max Munsey, who's been around two twenty

1185
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,439
Speaker 7: or less with the batting average for much of the year,

1186
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 7: three hits, three runs, scored, two homers, seven RBIs at

1187
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 7: Seattle cow Raley with his twenty second homer, but the

1188
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 7: Twins still lead the Mariners three to two in the

1189
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 7: bottom of the sixth inning. Earlier, the Mets tied Philadelphia

1190
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 7: for first place in the NLS. Philly lost at home

1191
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 7: to Milwaukee seventeen to seven. It was seventeen to two

1192
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 7: in the ninth inning. Talkie's won six in a row.

1193
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 7: The Mets sent Colorado to a seventh straight loss, eight

1194
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 7: to New York. The final New York at home twenty

1195
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Speaker 7: three and seven. Colorado overall nine and forty nine. Saint

1196
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 7: Louis a two nothing winner at Texas the win to

1197
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 7: Sunny Gray. He's six and one. Miami shut out. The

1198
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 7: Giants won nothing. Kansas City won nothing over Detroit with

1199
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 7: a run in the bottom of the eighth. The Tigers

1200
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 7: star starter, the Cy Young winner Trek scooble no decision.

1201
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 7: He threw seven scoreless innings with seven strikeouts. Tampa Bay

1202
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,919
Speaker 7: is sixteen to three winner at Houston. Victories at home

1203
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 7: for Atlanta and Cleveland, for Baltimore and Toronto as well,

1204
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 7: and in Chicago, the Cubs beat Cincinnati to nothing with

1205
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 7: two runs in the bottom of the eighth. The New

1206
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 7: York's next season might be ending tonight ten minutes to

1207
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 7: go third quarter at Indiana. Pacers up sixty six fifty

1208
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 7: four against the Knicks. Pacers from three point range ten

1209
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 7: of eighteen. They're already had three games to two in

1210
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 7: the NBA's East Finals. Tyrese Halliburton with seven assists to

1211
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 7: go with eight points points Pascal Siakam with twenty one

1212
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 7: points for the Pacers, who again are up by twelve

1213
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 7: early in the third. Just one w NBA game tonight,

1214
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 7: Dallas at one in five does not have rookie Page Becker,

1215
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 7: she's in concussion protocol, and the Dallas Wings are trailing

1216
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 7: at home to Chicago sixty one fifty three. Late in

1217
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 7: the third Coco goff win her third round match at

1218
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 7: the French Open, Scottie Scheffler leads at the Memorial by

1219
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 7: one stroke, And at the Women's College World Series, Texas

1220
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 7: beat defending champion Oklahoma in Okase four to two to

1221
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 7: make the semifinals. Also, Texas Tech has beaten UCLA three

1222
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 7: Wand back to you.

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01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 2: All right, Steve, great stuff, appreciate it always. We're live

1224
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 2: in the Fox Sports Radio studios tomorrow night. It's not tonight,

1225
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 2: but tomorrow night. Usually Arnie Spanier comes on after our show,

1226
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 2: Ryan tonight. I think Aaron Torris, excuse me, Aaron Torres

1227
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 2: and Olden Polonies are gonna come on.

1228
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: After this show. And it's good.

1229
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 2: It's good that Arnie span Or is not coming on

1230
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 2: after the show tonight, because I think he's gonna need

1231
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 2: a minute. He just sent out on Twitter a minute ago.

1232
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: Game series season oh v E R over.

1233
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 2: And of course he is famously a very big Knicks fan.

1234
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 2: And so here we are. You heard Steve say it

1235
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 2: ten minutes to go. Third quarter, Pacers are up twelve.

1236
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 2: We've watched in the day and age of the three pointer,

1237
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 2: massive deficits get you know, the rally back and get erased.

1238
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 2: So I don't know why twelve points feels o v

1239
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 2: er to Arnie. But yeah, the Pacers just had a

1240
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 2: real nice first two minutes of the second half.

1241
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: What do you see in this one? Where do you

1242
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 1: think it's going?

1243
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 3: Well?

1244
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 4: The Pacers aren't gonna get up and they the Knicks

1245
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 4: did have a comeback, but the Pacers aren't going to

1246
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 4: get up and just start jacking three pointers.

1247
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: They're gonna run their offense. Uh.

1248
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, they're are gonna pull

1249
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:10,919
Speaker 4: a Boston. And it looks like Indiana's getting into a group.

1250
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 4: Pascal siaka man they talk about Holli Burden. Is there

1251
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 4: enough respect on his name. He's a real champ. He's

1252
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 4: got a motor. If he sees single coverage, he can

1253
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 4: he can go get busy, he can go get a bucket.

1254
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 4: He plays hard on both ends. I think Pascal is

1255
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 4: really overlooked man for his contributions and and he's he's

1256
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 4: really showing his toughness and he's making things happen right now. Mark,

1257
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 4: So you know, the more and more that I that

1258
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 4: I watch, man, I think Indiana could win the whole thing.

1259
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 4: And it's gonna be and if they get through it,

1260
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I don't want to jump to I want

1261
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 4: to it's gonna be INDI's offense against the defense of

1262
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 4: the thunder Way.

1263
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, that's I'll grant you that. That's the

1264
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 2: key side of the ball of the key matchup. But

1265
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 2: without getting too far ahead of ourselves, because they're they're still.

1266
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: In this basketball game twenty two minutes. I'm with you.

1267
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 1: I think the Pacer is gonna win.

1268
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 2: I already said it. I think the Pacer is gonna win.

1269
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 2: To night, I think they're gonna lose.

1270
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 3: They said they had no shot against Oklahoma.

1271
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 1: No, they're very good. I'm very crazy. I don't know.

1272
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 4: It's Alahoma City done other than win sixty regular season games.

1273
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: That makes you just say, there's no shot.

1274
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 2: It wasn't sixty, it wasn't sixty. It was almost seventy. Ryan,

1275
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 2: that's the team. That's that's why they're gonna win the

1276
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 2: next round.

1277
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 4: How many seventy win almost seventy win teams have won

1278
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 4: the championship.

1279
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 1: Mark almost all of them, actually almost all of them,

1280
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 1: your all of them. Your Warriors didn't win it when

1281
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 1: they did that? Does that? Is that not why I

1282
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: use the word almost almost No, but the okay, the

1283
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: Bulls did it. The Bulls won right now.

1284
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 2: That's about it, Ryan. If you dive in this is

1285
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 2: an age of analytics in sports. Correct If you dive

1286
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 2: in to, for example, the history of Oklahoma City's point differential.

1287
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 2: If you dive into the analytics of teams that play

1288
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 2: like them and and have produced like they did in

1289
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:22,759
Speaker 2: the regular season, it is almost and I will firmly

1290
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 2: say that word almost always a rap. Those teams don't

1291
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 2: lose and and neither will this one.

1292
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 1: And I'll I get you got my number. I got

1293
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: your number.

1294
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 2: Like if I if I have to come on your

1295
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 2: show in two weeks and and be like, dummy me,

1296
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 2: I fell for it again, I will. I'm happy to

1297
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,799
Speaker 2: do that. But I'm gonna I'm gonna speak what I feel.

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01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,560
Speaker 2: And I think the thunder are going to win the championship.

1299
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: I think you're still overlooking the Pacers. Hey, don't get

1300
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong.

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01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 4: I did it too, But I think you're still overlooking

1302
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 4: the pit like they are really good.

1303
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 1: Mark.

1304
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 2: I don't think it's overlooking the Pacers, because I would

1305
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 2: say this no matter who they play.

1306
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:10,600
Speaker 4: I don't think Oklahoma City's good enough for you or

1307
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 4: experience enough for.

1308
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: You to look. I don't even think you like Minnesota.

1309
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 4: That well for you to just say it's a four

1310
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 4: gone conclusion.

1311
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 1: I come right, guy like you to just put so

1312
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 1: much on the regular season, Mark, well, I'm not just

1313
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 1: putting it on the regular season. Here we are here.

1314
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 2: We are like they're waiting, like picking their teeth right now,

1315
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 2: waiting for the NBA Finals Game one, in Game two

1316
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 2: on their floor.

1317
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: They're just sitting there waiting for it.

1318
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:41,520
Speaker 2: Let's not act like they haven't performed in this postseason.

1319
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,799
Speaker 2: I know they went to seven games. They flicked Memphis

1320
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 2: around like they didn't even exist. They took Jokicic's absolute

1321
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 2: best shot. They made Minnesota look absolutely worthless.

1322
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:54,719
Speaker 1: I just think they're the team.

1323
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 2: So this isn't like the Pacers have been incredible in

1324
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 2: these playoffs. They've been incredible in these playoffs, so this

1325
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 2: is not against them. I would say this no matter

1326
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 2: who Oklahoma City is playing. The only thing people have

1327
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 2: against Oklahoma City is the word you just used. They

1328
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 2: kind of say, oh, they don't they lack experience. Well,

1329
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 2: they're they're getting a lot more real fast here, they're

1330
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 2: getting a lot more.

1331
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: You know.

1332
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 2: Their playoff front last year was like wet the whistle.

1333
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 2: Now they've played three series.

1334
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 1: That's all. I just happen to think they're going this thing.

1335
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:36,719
Speaker 4: If Aaron Gordon does not pull his hamstring, they do

1336
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 4: not get past Jokic.

1337
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, they do. What you're gonna tell me? Gordon

1338
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 2: had been cooking Ryan. They did not win Game seven

1339
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 2: because Aaron was hurt. They won by eight thousand points.

1340
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 2: They're not winning that game with Aaron Gordon having three legs. No,

1341
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 2: they're not winning that game. And by the way, I

1342
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 2: could easily make the case like from do you want

1343
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 2: to talk about a team that probably should have been out,

1344
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,839
Speaker 2: how about the Nuggets. They're two Aaron Gordon buzzer beaters

1345
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 2: away from not even making that series. I thought your

1346
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 2: ex team, one of your ex teams. I thought the

1347
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 2: Clippers were gonna beat Denver.

1348
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 3: The Clippers were darn good.

1349
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 2: The Clippers are excellent basketball over the Clippers were I agree.

1350
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: I thought. I thought, were they're really good, really good.

1351
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 2: And if it wasn't for that buzzer beating dunk by

1352
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 2: slow it down eight one thousandth of a second thing

1353
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 2: that happened in that series, I think the Clippers.

1354
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 1: Win that series.

1355
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 2: So you know, right this is kidd and ugly right now,

1356
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 2: Pacers up by fifteen, Pacers up by fifteen. More on

1357
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 2: that coming up, also still ahead. We got to get

1358
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 2: to the wide receiver position. We got to get to

1359
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 2: the problem in baseball. Every time Steve de Seger comes on,

1360
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 2: he says something about the Dodgers that's gonna make my

1361
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 2: points sound silly, but it applies to everybody else pretty much,

1362
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 2: and so we'll get to that as well. Around the

1363
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 2: corner with Ryan Hollands, Mark Willard, it's Fox Sports Radio.

1364
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:12,719
Speaker 1: That fifteen point lead went down to eight.

1365
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 2: Fast, real fast, and I think it's going to go

1366
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 2: down to six here in just a sec. So don't

1367
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 2: go away yet on Knicks Pacers, and I actually got

1368
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 2: a question for you about the Knicks here in just

1369
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 2: a moment. Mark Willard Ryan Hollins were live in the

1370
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio studios. It's funny with the conversation we

1371
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 2: were just having though about the Steelers. I just saw

1372
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 2: this from longtime sports media guy Dave Damashak, who's a

1373
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 2: big Steelers fan, and he quote tweeted something that came

1374
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 2: out of Steelers camp today from veteran cornerback Darius Slay.

1375
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: Been around the league forever.

1376
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 2: So they asked him, why'd you show up at OTAs

1377
01:13:56,320 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 2: he said, quote, this is where championship football starts. Everybody

1378
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 2: has to buy in, and this is the time to

1379
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 2: buy in. I know guys have family and stuff, and

1380
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 2: I've got one as well, but if you want to

1381
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 2: be a champion, there are some things you have to sacrifice.

1382
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 2: I want to be here on time, be present, let

1383
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 2: guys see my face and show guys it's important to

1384
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 2: be here and I am here to win. That's from

1385
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 2: veteran cornerback Darius Slay. And he wouldn't have answered it

1386
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 2: that way if he didn't know that there's someone who

1387
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 2: has not even been announced on the team who is

1388
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 2: on the team and should be there. As Damashack sort

1389
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 2: of said, it's a poorly kept secret that Rogers has

1390
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:44,679
Speaker 2: told the Steelers that he's going to be there June tenth, and.

1391
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 1: So now you have what I would.

1392
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 2: Argue, is you've got infighting with a teammate who's not

1393
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:55,919
Speaker 2: even a teammate yet that's what you've got with the Steelers.

1394
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 1: And so that's why I say what I say, like

1395
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 1: this has just.

1396
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:05,639
Speaker 2: Been very, very poorly handled by a proud organization my opinion.

1397
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:09,639
Speaker 3: No, you're not wrong. And Darius Slay's my guy.

1398
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 4: He's certified enough to say what he just said. I

1399
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,679
Speaker 4: don't think when he made that statement, anybody's gonna scoff

1400
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 4: or question it.

1401
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: And that's what it should be. And you're setting the table.

1402
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 4: And again, I never want to, you know, count another

1403
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 4: man's money or why someone shows up or doesn't show up.

1404
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 4: But you know he's certified enough to say that. And again,

1405
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 4: you know, I'm sure we'll be finding out more things

1406
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:41,759
Speaker 4: will unfold, of whose fault it was, or whose choice

1407
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 4: it was, or wherever it goes.

1408
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 2: All Right, the Pacers are trying to put the finishing

1409
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 2: touches on this one. It's still the third quarter and

1410
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 2: they're up by nine. Right Now, here's the question I

1411
01:15:57,560 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 2: have for you about the next man, because if this

1412
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 2: is it, this is it and the season ends tonight,

1413
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 2: how does a Nick Van view this season, how they

1414
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 2: feel about it.

1415
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 3: Oh, they're going to be disgusted, but they shouldn't be.

1416
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 4: I mean, they've gone further than they have in what decades.

1417
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 3: You have a good group.

1418
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 4: I just think the respect is not going to be

1419
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 4: put there on the Indiana Pacers. And you have an

1420
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 4: extremely delusional and emotional fan base. And man, I want

1421
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 4: to say, like like the Knicks fan like they love

1422
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 4: their team, they love their organized like they like more

1423
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 4: than any like like it is not something lightly and

1424
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 4: I think that's where we're finding out and singing.

1425
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 3: But like even like.

1426
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 4: Cowboy fans, Laker fans, like I mean Yankee fans, like

1427
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 4: like the emotion for the next it is it is there.

1428
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 2: New York, New York's and Basketball town. People just don't

1429
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 2: know because the Knicks don't win.

1430
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,680
Speaker 1: I hate that if there's gonna be this kind of like.

1431
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:12,640
Speaker 4: Just just just well, they're not going to properly evaluate

1432
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 4: how good of a season it was.

1433
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting you say it the way you do,

1434
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 2: because I'm not so sure.

1435
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 1: And here's why.

1436
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 2: Like I wasn't sort of like insinuating that that that

1437
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,799
Speaker 2: there's gonna be you know, marching in the streets because

1438
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 2: the Knicks.

1439
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:29,560
Speaker 1: Lost if they do, indeed louse I.

1440
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:33,759
Speaker 2: Well, but here's my like, you're aware right that they

1441
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 2: they celebrated with street signs and went crazy when they

1442
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 2: made the Eastern Conference finals.

1443
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 4: So in other word, that might be that it'll be

1444
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:43,919
Speaker 4: a difference time, maybe be the opposite.

1445
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 1: But it's like kind of what I'm getting at, and

1446
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 1: I and I.

1447
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 2: Talked about this last week, like it was completely a

1448
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:55,799
Speaker 2: premature celebration. It felt very odd to me that Knicks

1449
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 2: fans were celebrating as if they'd won the championship before

1450
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 2: they even made the championship round.

1451
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 1: So I wonder if all.

1452
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 2: Of the years of futility have or have not lowered

1453
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 2: the bar a little bit because they were they very classically.

1454
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 2: I would argue the fans so far have have behaved

1455
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 2: in a way of just they're happy to.

1456
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 1: Have been here. They won't like that, but that's that's

1457
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: the way.

1458
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 4: Well, they threw a parade. Yeah, it was premature. They

1459
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 4: threw a parade. Give them some credit. They beat the Celtics, Dude,

1460
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 4: they beat that did not that premature? I mean, that's

1461
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 4: not core. They beat the Celtics and they weren't supposed

1462
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 4: to beat the Celtics.

1463
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 1: They weren't supposed to come back.

1464
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,639
Speaker 2: I know, and I think that they were gonna win

1465
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 2: that series even if the Tatum injury didn't happen. So

1466
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:51,719
Speaker 2: they did, and that's a great accomplishment. But we don't

1467
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 2: we don't celebrate that. This is this is New York

1468
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 2: that like, we don't. We don't do that in professional sports.

1469
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 2: We don't celebrate. And let's just celebrate, Mark. You know,

1470
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 2: the only time you celebrate a Final four is if

1471
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 2: you're a college basketball player, Like, that's what that felt like.

1472
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 1: It's been a long time, Mark, Yes, So I wonder,

1473
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 1: I wonder if they will be angry.

1474
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm sure.

1475
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 4: I am very confident NYPD is going to be prepared.

1476
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 2: Okay, well, NYPD probably all always going to be prepared.

1477
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 2: But I I don't know, man, I if that's if

1478
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 2: that's the way you behave when you make it just

1479
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 2: to the conference finals, I don't, I don't know. I

1480
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:46,679
Speaker 2: don't know what happens next. I'd be interested to see

1481
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 2: it very much. Looks like it's going to happen. Pacers

1482
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 2: are back up by fourteen, all right, we'll get down

1483
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 2: to the end of that game.

1484
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: Plus talk about wide receivers. Next, you're listening to Fox Sports, where.

1485
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 2: You and not done yet, not even close, and neither

1486
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 2: of the Knicks, but maybe that's getting close. We're broadcasting

1487
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 2: live from the Fox Sports radio studios. Just about thirty

1488
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 2: ticks left in this third quarter, Pacers up double digits.

1489
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,799
Speaker 2: We will keep you up to date down the stretch.

1490
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 2: The Dodgers are ruining a point that I was going

1491
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 2: to make about baseball tonight. I'll still try and I

1492
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 2: want to talk a little bit about the wide receiver

1493
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 2: position and hopefully not paint with too broad of a brush,

1494
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 2: all inspired by what's going on with Stefan Diggs, who

1495
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 2: is now a member of the Patriots, at least for

1496
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 2: the moment.

1497
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 1: So we'll get to all of that in this our final.

1498
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 2: Hour along with Ryan Hollins Mark Willard having some fun tonight.

1499
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 2: I did promise I wanted to ask you something, Ryan,

1500
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:51,599
Speaker 2: and this is it's mainly NBA related, but I guess

1501
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 2: it could be any sport. This happens all the time,

1502
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 2: and a season will end and then you hear about

1503
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 2: how a player was actually hurt they were playing through

1504
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 2: injury like this time of year in the NBA. You

1505
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 2: tell me what's it actually like. I'm sure everyone's got

1506
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 2: bumps and bruises, but what's the percentage of guys who

1507
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 2: are playing right now who have what's actually kind of

1508
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:21,679
Speaker 2: like a significant injury.

1509
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 4: Everybody's got something, literally, everybody at this time of year

1510
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 4: has something, and it's to their discretion if they'd like

1511
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:36,679
Speaker 4: to disclose it to the fans or whatnot and say,

1512
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 4: hey man, this guy had a knee or an elbow

1513
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 4: or a deal like that. And it all depends on

1514
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 4: the player, you know, and that's there's rules set in

1515
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 4: place for that also, so it one hundred percent is

1516
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:54,600
Speaker 4: to the discretion of the player to go on and

1517
01:21:54,680 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 4: disclose what their injury is. And sometimes, like these guys

1518
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 4: have had it from the season, you know that they're

1519
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 4: playing through. And I'm telling you, man, I've seen played

1520
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 4: with Dirk KG, Chris Paul, I mean, Vince Carter.

1521
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 3: I've seen these guys, these.

1522
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 4: Superstars, I mean tape themselves together literally just to be

1523
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 4: able to play these games. And you don't know how

1524
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 4: bad their bodies are hurting. You just see them running

1525
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 4: and jumping. But all these stars, man, kudos to them,

1526
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 4: they're putting in working. There are moments where they got

1527
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 4: to get out there and just play through it. But

1528
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:33,679
Speaker 4: you know, sometimes it does look questionable that a guy

1529
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 4: is hurting, is like.

1530
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:36,759
Speaker 3: Oh, I've been playing through a broken thumb or something.

1531
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 3: And then there's a.

1532
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 4: Level where you don't really want to disclose how hurt

1533
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 4: you are to Mark because you know then it becomes

1534
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 4: something you're just tired of hearing about.

1535
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 3: But for the most part, man.

1536
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:51,759
Speaker 4: These guys are all battling through I mean swollen ankles, knees.

1537
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 4: I mean, you'll have a choice where it's like, hey,

1538
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:56,839
Speaker 4: do I get surgery?

1539
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 1: Do I play through it? And they're like, we'll play

1540
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 1: through I'll get surgery after the season, right, And it's common.

1541
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 2: And that's actually kind of what inspired my question because

1542
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 2: we do see it all of the time. What inspired

1543
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 2: my question though, is is the Warriors were eliminated from

1544
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:14,680
Speaker 2: the playoffs. There were two smaller role players for the

1545
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 2: team who for the most part, they still had some

1546
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 2: nice games, but for the most part down the stretch

1547
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,800
Speaker 2: of the playoffs, they really shot the ball poorly. They

1548
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 2: shot the ball poorly, and so people were like, man, right,

1549
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 2: Steph's got no role players with him. And when Steph

1550
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 2: goes out they couldn't win another game, and so the

1551
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 2: whole thing ends. And there's a lot of focus on

1552
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 2: these two role players, Brandon Pajemski and Moses Moody. And

1553
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 2: here's why I ask, because Moses Moody couldn't shoot and

1554
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 2: Brandon for the most part, really struggled to shoot. And

1555
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 2: then within a week of the season ending, both of

1556
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:51,599
Speaker 2: them had surgeries on their shooting hands.

1557
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 1: And what went through my head was.

1558
01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:01,679
Speaker 2: God, if I if I were one of you, that

1559
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 2: would drive me nuts that it's considered a quote excuse

1560
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 2: if you say anything, or if anybody gives anybody a

1561
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 2: little bit of slack for their poor performance and playing

1562
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:24,600
Speaker 2: through it, even though I mean, okay, Moody's got like

1563
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 2: ligaments torn in his shooting thumb, I would imagine that

1564
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 2: that would make it very hard to shoot a basketball accurately.

1565
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 1: Absolutely right.

1566
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 2: But for some reason, and especially it seems like today

1567
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 2: more than ever, age of social media, the snark and

1568
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 2: the big statements and all of that, you're just not

1569
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 2: allowed to use that, you're not allowed to even enter

1570
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 2: it into the conversation. I know a lot of fans

1571
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 2: who are like, if you're healthy enough to go out there,

1572
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 2: and play healthy enough to go out there and play excuses.

1573
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 1: Good lord, that would drive me nuts.

1574
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 2: It would drive me nuts to struggle because there are

1575
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 2: torn ligaments in my hand. And then I drive home

1576
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 2: and everybody's on the radio and TV calling me a schmock.

1577
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 1: So what's what's the right what's the right way to

1578
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 1: do that?

1579
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 2: You even said when you were talking, there are rules

1580
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 2: to this with regard to what you disclose.

1581
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:31,639
Speaker 1: Well, you don't want to overshadow what's going on.

1582
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 4: You're you're you're really tired of you know, you don't

1583
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 4: want to have to hear about it all the times.

1584
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 4: Look like one of the pacers just went down speaking, yeah,

1585
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:42,639
Speaker 4: and there is a there is a pacer on the floor.

1586
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 1: I'll get and again too.

1587
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 4: Even remember the series between the Warriors and the Rockets

1588
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 4: and Curry's hand every every time he walked into the tunnel,

1589
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 4: he was on display. And what ended up happening was,

1590
01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 4: you know, this was a is Dylan Brooks aiming for

1591
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 4: his hand or are are they gonna hit his hand?

1592
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 4: Is he a hit away? So you don't want to

1593
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 4: necessarily bring that on. And it very much is a

1594
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:12,679
Speaker 4: part of the game, you know, And and and from

1595
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:15,719
Speaker 4: a player standpoint, Mark, you know, it's funny, like you'll

1596
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 4: see a guy's hand or something beyond the shooting report

1597
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 4: this guy reporter or you know, you'll kind of hear

1598
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 4: about it or it's like a you know, ends up

1599
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 4: being a big deal or so so to speak. Is

1600
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 4: and that's so annoying. You want to know why because

1601
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:30,680
Speaker 4: every time you hear about a guy that has a

1602
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 4: knee or something, the guy, the guy plays like there

1603
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 4: is nothing going on, like he's absolutely like out bro.

1604
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 1: So you when you see that as a player, you're like, oh,

1605
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 1: an advantage. And I learned that.

1606
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:44,760
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh man, this guy's a little banged up,

1607
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 4: and I'm like, man, he's playing like career basketball.

1608
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 1: He's absolutely just fine.

1609
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 4: So uh, you know you kind of learned to like

1610
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 4: shake that off, you know, and it is a part

1611
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 4: of things because it can absolutely impact guys and it does.

1612
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 2: Mark, No, there's no question, And that's kind of what

1613
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 2: I'm getting at. Like I think that conversations in sports

1614
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 2: today often lack context, but nobody cares.

1615
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 1: I just don't.

1616
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a function of our attention

1617
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 2: spans being so short as they are because of the

1618
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 2: phones and what have you.

1619
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like an old dude, but like,

1620
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 1: that's what it feels like.

1621
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:29,680
Speaker 2: I don't know that anybody cares about the context anymore,

1622
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:31,640
Speaker 2: and there's always.

1623
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 1: Or what someone is struggling through.

1624
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:43,599
Speaker 2: And again, it's professional sports, and as you say, this

1625
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 2: time of year, everyone's dealing with it. So I'm in

1626
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 2: no way am I trying to say, oh, you know,

1627
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 2: play a violin for everybody because they lost, and let's

1628
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 2: make sure there are oranges at halftime and cookies afterwards.

1629
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:57,760
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm getting at.

1630
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 2: It's a performance based business and there's billions of dollars

1631
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 2: changing hands, so I fully get it.

1632
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 1: But there seems to be this.

1633
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 2: Clop back, an absolute clop back from the sports world

1634
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 2: if stuff like that gets entered into the conversation and

1635
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:17,760
Speaker 2: I sort of look at.

1636
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 1: It like how can it not? Like how could how

1637
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 1: could it not? You know?

1638
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 2: And I can give you bunches of examples based on

1639
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 2: any of these NBA teams, But you watched closely because

1640
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 2: you're an analyst for the Rockets, like you watched what

1641
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 2: happened when you know I'm in Thompson ended up.

1642
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 1: I thought it was just ended up in the wrong spot.

1643
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:43,640
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was a dirty play, but he

1644
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 2: comes up underneath Jimmy Butler, and Jimmy Butler lands on

1645
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 2: the tailbone, and and Butler missed basically a couple of games,

1646
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 2: and then he came back out there and ran around

1647
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 2: for the rest of the series, kind of like he

1648
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 2: had to go to the bathroom the whole time because

1649
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:00,080
Speaker 2: like that, he was in such tremendous pain, and he

1650
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 2: had good moments and he had bad moments. But once

1651
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:05,760
Speaker 2: you come back out there, everyone's like, Okay, you're here,

1652
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 2: And I'm like, don't you want don't you want to

1653
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:12,360
Speaker 2: look at that through a different lens? You know, he's

1654
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 2: an excruciating pain. We've all done the tailbone thing. It hurts,

1655
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 2: like hell, can't you enter that into the conversation.

1656
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:24,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll.

1657
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 4: You'll mention it and you can see a player win

1658
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:31,759
Speaker 4: saying and it's tough, and it's honestly, as a former player,

1659
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:34,599
Speaker 4: it's one of the things Mark that I always really

1660
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 4: stay away from. And the reason that I do it

1661
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 4: is because I'll never gauge another guy's pain tolerance. And

1662
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 4: I've like had teammates and you're like, oh, he's he's

1663
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:49,840
Speaker 4: just being soft or whatever, and the guy ends up

1664
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 4: having surgery and it's.

1665
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 1: Like, no, he wasn't being soft. He was legitimately hurt.

1666
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 4: So you you want to stay away from that because

1667
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 4: the day that you're hurt, you never want some somebody's

1668
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 4: sitting there going, oh, you're you're just soft man, You're

1669
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 4: just you know, you're you're faking or whatever. So you know,

1670
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:10,599
Speaker 4: you really do your best to be mindful about judging

1671
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:13,600
Speaker 4: other guys, because I mean, you know, it's it's a

1672
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 4: real thing.

1673
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 2: You're you're reminding me of Tony Parker, to be honest

1674
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 2: with you, Like I thought, Tony Parker might have might

1675
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:25,760
Speaker 2: have been the final straw in Kawhi Leonard's exit from

1676
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 2: the San Antonio Spurs, because remember when Kawhi and he's

1677
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:31,640
Speaker 2: kind of made a career out of it now in

1678
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,360
Speaker 2: the age of load management, but you remember when they

1679
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 2: were just so frustrated with the length of time that

1680
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 2: he was taking to come back from his injury. And

1681
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 2: at a certain point, Tony Parker was like, I've had

1682
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 2: that injury.

1683
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:47,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't take that long. And I was like, ooh,

1684
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 1: that was like yeah, I mean, hold on, a second.

1685
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:53,760
Speaker 2: Not everybody handles every injury, even the same injury, right,

1686
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:56,839
Speaker 2: That doesn't it doesn't just go the same way. Sometimes

1687
01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 2: you have a cold and it goes away in two days.

1688
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,880
Speaker 2: Other times that cough lasts for a month. So you

1689
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 2: can't be like I've got a cold, it goes away

1690
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 2: in two days, you know what I mean? Like, I

1691
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:08,719
Speaker 2: just thought that was totally out of balance.

1692
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought san Antonio really was out of pocket

1693
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:15,600
Speaker 4: with the way they did that, And just from a

1694
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 4: teammates standpoint, they kind of and I'm sure there are

1695
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 4: things that Kawhi maybe didn't want to be there, but

1696
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 4: I think when you when you questioned the injuries.

1697
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 3: That was the problem.

1698
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:27,640
Speaker 4: Maybe like hey, Kawhi, we kinda you know, put our

1699
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 4: stake in our future in you. Everybody's invested in you.

1700
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:32,640
Speaker 4: Why don't you want to be here? That's fine, But

1701
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:38,639
Speaker 4: I definitely agree that the injury statements towards Kawhi Leonard

1702
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 4: they were like they were like super super out of pocket.

1703
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:45,719
Speaker 1: Totally. I definitely remember that time totally.

1704
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 2: All right, Pacers by eleven less than ten minutes to go,

1705
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:52,879
Speaker 2: a trip to the NBA Finals on the line.

1706
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 1: We will keep you up to date on all of that.

1707
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:59,040
Speaker 2: Steve de Seger is just about fifteen minutes away with

1708
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 2: much more on the details. Jerifs Walker, by the way,

1709
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:06,320
Speaker 2: was the player who went down for the Pacers jerfs Walker,

1710
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:10,000
Speaker 2: So it's one of their bench players. Is only you know,

1711
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:12,760
Speaker 2: played a handful of minutes in this game, but just

1712
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 2: to let everybody know, that's who went down there for

1713
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:18,799
Speaker 2: the Pacers and did exit the game at least for

1714
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 2: the moment. But lots more to get to. I will

1715
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:24,559
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to do this take even though the

1716
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 2: Dodgers have totally ruined it tonight, but I do want

1717
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 2: to talk about it with you, and we'll do that

1718
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:33,400
Speaker 2: coming up next with Ryan Hollins Mark Willard. Fox Sports Radio.

1719
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 2: It's live right here in the Fox Sports Radio studios.

1720
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:43,920
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Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio Live twenty four to seven and

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01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:55,400
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01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:03,720
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01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app and it'll always pop up right there at

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01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:10,080
Speaker 2: the top of your screen. Hey man, I think this

1730
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 2: thing's cooked. I think this thing's cooked. You think this

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01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 2: thing's cooked.

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Speaker 4: You know what, the way that the playoffs have been

1733
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 4: this year, you you can't make that call.

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01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 1: It's true, it's true. I know that.

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01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Pacers are up fourteen right now. Actually now

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01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:29,639
Speaker 2: they're up sixteen, but they were up. They were down

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01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:32,920
Speaker 2: fourteen in this series with two minutes and forty five

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01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:34,800
Speaker 2: seconds ago and they won that game.

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01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:39,480
Speaker 1: Mar Yeah, this one's cooked.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, we I mean, we don't know we

1741
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:45,800
Speaker 4: can assume them, but you know, I mean, the Knicks

1742
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:47,639
Speaker 4: have had their share comebacks, right.

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01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 2: Sure, this one's cooked. I'm allowed to make predictions. Of course,

1744
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:57,720
Speaker 2: I don't see you. Of course I don't know. Yeah, like,

1745
01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:00,879
Speaker 2: come on, man, this thing's cooked. You should be happy.

1746
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:04,919
Speaker 2: I'm told that on Twitter you predicted that the Indiana

1747
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:07,519
Speaker 2: Pacers were going to run the world this year, and

1748
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 2: so here they are.

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01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:13,120
Speaker 4: Well, I'm just I'm just giving them some credit. Due

1750
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 4: I do think they're gonna handle business, and I just

1751
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:21,760
Speaker 4: think it's all about matchups. And you're going, well, how

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01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:24,599
Speaker 4: do they beat the Celtics, but they're getting run by

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01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:27,960
Speaker 4: the Pacers. The Knicks are built to go pound for

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01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:30,320
Speaker 4: pound with you, and they have the wings to guard

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01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:33,519
Speaker 4: the Celtics wings, which gave them a shot to win

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01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:38,559
Speaker 4: and they won. And the Pacers aren't just wing heavy,

1757
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:42,400
Speaker 4: they're team heavy. They're ball movement heavy. They are elite

1758
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 4: offensively because they move the ball and they play together

1759
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:50,840
Speaker 4: so they don't just play one on one and they

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01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:53,320
Speaker 4: can play in different styles. And like, look right now,

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01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:56,559
Speaker 4: like they are moving the basketball with four minutes left

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01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:57,240
Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter.

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01:34:57,439 --> 01:34:58,880
Speaker 3: They are moving the basketball.

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01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 4: What typical NBA teams run pick and roll to a

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01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:05,720
Speaker 4: one on one isolation and that is it. And Indiana's

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01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 4: showing what trust and team really looks like on the

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Speaker 4: offensive end.

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Speaker 1: This thing's cooked. Wow.

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01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 2: They are up by nineteen with forts twenty to go.

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01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:19,360
Speaker 2: The Indiana Pacers are going to go to the NBA

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01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 2: Finals and take on the Oklahoma City Thunder. So, rewinding

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Speaker 2: back to our previous conversation, are you telling me the

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01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:30,280
Speaker 2: Pacers are going to win that series?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 4: I what I'm saying. I think they're the more complete team.

1776
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:40,679
Speaker 4: I don't love offensively, what Oklahoma City's brought to the table.

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01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:43,679
Speaker 4: They really need to turn you over to and win

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01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:47,160
Speaker 4: the game. On the defensive end, I think I just

1779
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:50,599
Speaker 4: don't think they have enough now. The secret to success

1780
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:53,200
Speaker 4: is playing deep teams that trust their lineups. And both

1781
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:55,600
Speaker 4: the teams that were seeing trust their lineups. When the

1782
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:58,800
Speaker 4: Celtics won it, they'd played deep. They weren't giving just

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01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 4: a slow minutes to all their guys. And I think

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01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:04,760
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, that's the difference in

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Speaker 4: these series that we hadn't you know, we hadn't been

1786
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:11,360
Speaker 4: seeing or you're seeing these teams that are just top

1787
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:14,639
Speaker 4: heavy with their starting five or one or two guys

1788
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:16,800
Speaker 4: get the shots. You don't win like that in the

1789
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:19,960
Speaker 4: league anymore. And we had the conversation earlier about free agency. Okay,

1790
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 4: you trade and you get you honest, Now you don't

1791
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:24,479
Speaker 4: have a bench. Now you don't have any depth, yep,

1792
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 4: And can you win like that in the NBA? And

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01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:31,839
Speaker 4: I think the Pacers are probably making some front offices rethink,

1794
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:33,800
Speaker 4: like a we got to be eight or nine deep,

1795
01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:36,840
Speaker 4: we got to go younger, And that's what the trend

1796
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 4: looks like right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up.

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01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:46,639
Speaker 2: Actually, my show team, you know, for Monday through Friday

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01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:48,120
Speaker 2: here during the week, just sent me.

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Speaker 1: Actually, some buddies of mine here in town just sent

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01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 1: me a link.

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01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 2: Apparently something I said on our show yesterday here in

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01:36:55,400 --> 01:37:01,639
Speaker 2: the Bay Area just made newsweek. Yeah, because you want

1804
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 2: to know what I said that was so offantiev I said,

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01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:10,640
Speaker 2: I'm out on the idea of Jannis to the Warriors.

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01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 1: I'm out. Wow, I'm out. It doesn't make any No,

1807
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense.

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01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:18,599
Speaker 3: You guys even get them.

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01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:23,720
Speaker 2: Well, the only way that the Warriors would get him

1810
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:27,040
Speaker 2: is if Yannis said, send me to the Warriors, the

1811
01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:29,639
Speaker 2: same way Anthony Davis was like, send me to the Lakers.

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01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:32,680
Speaker 2: You're one thousand percent right that the Warriors do not

1813
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:36,280
Speaker 2: have and anything that could compete with the package that

1814
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 2: Houston or San Antonio or many.

1815
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 1: Others could produce. But very rarely I think you'd agree

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01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:42,559
Speaker 1: with this.

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01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 2: Star players don't end up on the market and just

1818
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:47,800
Speaker 2: be like, I want to trade, send me anywhere. Like

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01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:51,600
Speaker 2: they don't do that. They don't do that. Now, sometimes

1820
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:54,799
Speaker 2: the leverage game plays. Dame Lillard wanted to go to Miami.

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01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 2: He ended up Milwaukee, but he was playing with Yannis right, Like,

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01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:01,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's necessarily just going to be

1823
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:04,760
Speaker 2: able to pick his exact spot, but he's not just

1824
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:06,920
Speaker 2: going to be like Bucks, trade me, trade me to

1825
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:08,639
Speaker 2: Charlotte if you want, that's fine.

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01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:09,680
Speaker 1: He's not going to do that.

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01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 2: So there are people here, because there have been overtures

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01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:19,120
Speaker 2: through the ears between Giannis and Steph, there are people

1829
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:22,200
Speaker 2: who who think that that might be interesting. To be honest,

1830
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:25,720
Speaker 2: I think it's kind of lappable because why would he

1831
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:29,240
Speaker 2: want to go join a core that's all approaching forty

1832
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:32,720
Speaker 2: years old. That doesn't make any sense. But let's go

1833
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 2: down the road. Let's say that he does and he

1834
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 2: wants to come play with Steph. The package that you

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01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 2: would have to give in order to make that work would,

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01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:45,600
Speaker 2: as you just said, it would rob your team of

1837
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:49,439
Speaker 2: all of its depth. Plus you would rob all of

1838
01:38:49,479 --> 01:38:52,960
Speaker 2: the future assets from a team that is about to

1839
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:54,600
Speaker 2: lose its start or retirement.

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01:38:56,320 --> 01:39:00,959
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. So the quote goes.

1841
01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:04,200
Speaker 2: To Twitter and it's like this dummy doesn't want Yannis

1842
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:09,439
Speaker 2: on the team. It's like, no, but they, of course

1843
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:12,920
Speaker 2: I've been getting screamed out on Twitter for twenty four hours. Fine,

1844
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:16,160
Speaker 2: happens all the time. Goes back to my point last segment.

1845
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:19,559
Speaker 2: Context is dead. Nobody wants to listen to the entire point.

1846
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:22,360
Speaker 2: They want to grab the one quote and then freak

1847
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:27,080
Speaker 2: out about it. And now it's in newsweek, okay, whatever Newsweek.

1848
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:30,920
Speaker 2: Like that's the larger point. It doesn't make any sense.

1849
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:34,880
Speaker 1: Well, do they at least show what you said in full?

1850
01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:35,240
Speaker 8: Not?

1851
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:37,799
Speaker 1: Really? No, And that's not the way it works.

1852
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:40,720
Speaker 2: But like I even threw this out, and this is

1853
01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:43,160
Speaker 2: relevant to more than just the Warriors. Anybody who wants

1854
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 2: to go get Yannis right now unless you want, unless

1855
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:49,160
Speaker 2: you're like the Rockets or the Spurs, and I think

1856
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:53,080
Speaker 2: you have an excess of young assets. Even if I

1857
01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 2: told you, hey, you'd get Yannis you win the title

1858
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:59,040
Speaker 2: next year and people will be like, Okay, sign me up,

1859
01:39:59,120 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 2: I'd be like, hold on, as soon as that title's over,

1860
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:08,000
Speaker 2: you have to sign up for twelve years of irrelevance.

1861
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:10,479
Speaker 1: And missing the playoffs entirely.

1862
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 2: You in yes, okay some people Some people would say yes,

1863
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:20,680
Speaker 2: others I think with at least top of brain, you

1864
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:22,519
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like, I don't think either of

1865
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 2: those are brainless takes. You can say yes, but I

1866
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:28,439
Speaker 2: don't think you're an idiot if you say no, because like,

1867
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:34,520
Speaker 2: that's one fun year for now a decade plus of irrelevance.

1868
01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:38,440
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, your kids are now in college,

1869
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:42,160
Speaker 2: for instance, Like your five year old saw a championship.

1870
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:46,000
Speaker 2: Now he's in college. The next time you make the playoffs.

1871
01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:48,479
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, that's a lot.

1872
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:48,920
Speaker 1: To give up.

1873
01:40:49,120 --> 01:40:51,960
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you something else, all right, you go

1874
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:57,559
Speaker 4: twelve years of irrelevance without a championships. There's some teams

1875
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:01,040
Speaker 4: that hadn't won one, that ain't close. They's going to

1876
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:06,080
Speaker 4: get one, So it might be you might not have one,

1877
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:11,160
Speaker 4: like like it it takes that long, like and that's

1878
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:12,760
Speaker 4: just a part of sports.

1879
01:41:12,439 --> 01:41:13,200
Speaker 1: And that's fair.

1880
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:17,000
Speaker 2: But obviously, in my particular case, I'm speaking directly to

1881
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 2: a fan base that has four in the last decade.

1882
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:27,960
Speaker 4: So like, yeah, and my opinion, well here you here's

1883
01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:31,080
Speaker 4: their logic, Mark and I help you understand it. You

1884
01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:36,200
Speaker 4: got Steph Curry, right, yeah, maybe the last high level

1885
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:39,280
Speaker 4: these next I don't know. I don't want to put

1886
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:41,560
Speaker 4: his time staff on what he could be or couldn't be.

1887
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:44,120
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna do that. But let's say let's say

1888
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:46,400
Speaker 4: you got five years, right, all right, let's just fancy

1889
01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:49,680
Speaker 4: yourself five years after Steph Curry, right, yeah, right, And

1890
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:51,880
Speaker 4: it's these are these are real conversations. Don One wants

1891
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:56,679
Speaker 4: to have Mark and you have a shot to maximize that,

1892
01:41:57,520 --> 01:42:01,760
Speaker 4: you might as well do it because the chances of

1893
01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:06,160
Speaker 4: another Steph Curry that can lead you to another four championships,

1894
01:42:06,200 --> 01:42:07,200
Speaker 4: and it's it's a player.

1895
01:42:07,240 --> 01:42:11,360
Speaker 3: Basically, players that do it aren't likely.

1896
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:18,559
Speaker 1: Full of grace, So why not maximize this one year?

1897
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:22,560
Speaker 4: Then we can say based rock Curry gave us five championships.

1898
01:42:23,120 --> 01:42:27,040
Speaker 1: Boom, yep, you're because it might be another twin that

1899
01:42:27,120 --> 01:42:28,919
Speaker 1: you don't get another Curry.

1900
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:31,320
Speaker 2: I get it, but I also think a he ain't

1901
01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:36,040
Speaker 2: staying for another five years, promise you b They just

1902
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:40,240
Speaker 2: went and got him a running mate who, by the way,

1903
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:43,400
Speaker 2: they played to the level of the two seed in

1904
01:42:43,439 --> 01:42:47,599
Speaker 2: the West after his arrival. Then they eliminated the two seed.

1905
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:50,120
Speaker 1: Then Steph got hurt and they got knocked out.

1906
01:42:50,200 --> 01:42:54,320
Speaker 2: So I'd argue they're already they're they're pretty good right now,

1907
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:58,839
Speaker 2: and there are no guarantees if you then strip every

1908
01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:01,720
Speaker 2: other asset on the team in order to bring in Giannis.

1909
01:43:01,960 --> 01:43:04,400
Speaker 2: You just said it right before we started this conversation.

1910
01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:11,120
Speaker 2: Your depth is gone, gone, gone. So I don't think

1911
01:43:11,320 --> 01:43:15,000
Speaker 2: acquiring him, any acquiring team has not guaranteed themselves anything.

1912
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:17,599
Speaker 2: He's been playing with Dame Lillard and they couldn't even

1913
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 2: get better. They couldn't even get a top four seed.

1914
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:24,679
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a guarantee, right, I don't think

1915
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:27,280
Speaker 1: it's a guarantee. Guess what your fan base is getting?

1916
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:28,440
Speaker 1: Pretty delusional?

1917
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:31,400
Speaker 4: Mark, Well, of course, all fantastics, especially when they win,

1918
01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:34,240
Speaker 4: and it's fair for them to be delusive because they've won.

1919
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:37,080
Speaker 1: Yes, like like those things actually happen.

1920
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:39,719
Speaker 3: The thing they think about like actually happens.

1921
01:43:40,640 --> 01:43:41,200
Speaker 1: Here's why.

1922
01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:42,920
Speaker 2: Here's there's one other piece of it as to why

1923
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:45,760
Speaker 2: this ended up in Newsweek. I was like, I don't

1924
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:49,040
Speaker 2: want to acquire a Yiannis type. I want to acquire

1925
01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:53,360
Speaker 2: like a Steve de Sager type. That's that's who I

1926
01:43:53,439 --> 01:43:58,160
Speaker 2: think push an organization over the top. Wow, give me,

1927
01:43:58,280 --> 01:43:59,679
Speaker 2: give me, give me, Steve de Sager.

1928
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:03,240
Speaker 7: I can assure you I am considerably chery.

1929
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:05,720
Speaker 1: Are there, y are? I knew you were there.

1930
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Speaker 7: By the way the Dodgers have beaten the Yankees on

1931
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 7: Fox TV eighteen to two, which is actually not that

1932
01:44:13,120 --> 01:44:15,760
Speaker 7: bad considering the Yankees used a German shepherd to pitch

1933
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:19,679
Speaker 7: the eighth. Max Munsey wound up hitting two home runs

1934
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:23,240
Speaker 7: seven RBIs. Actually it was five total homers for the

1935
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:27,120
Speaker 7: Dodgers against five different pitchers, the last of which was

1936
01:44:27,120 --> 01:44:29,680
Speaker 7: not a dog, but he pitched like a dog, if

1937
01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:31,719
Speaker 7: you know what I mean. Three runs, five hits allowed

1938
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:34,200
Speaker 7: from a five foot eight middle infielder in the bottom

1939
01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:37,400
Speaker 7: of the eighth inning. Dodgers had an impressive comeback to

1940
01:44:37,439 --> 01:44:39,960
Speaker 7: win last night against New York, a team that had

1941
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:43,080
Speaker 7: been red hot the last three weeks. It's not looking

1942
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:46,400
Speaker 7: like that now. Eighteen to two LA the final tonight.

1943
01:44:46,479 --> 01:44:49,880
Speaker 7: The two for the Yankees, two home runs for Aaron Judge,

1944
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:53,320
Speaker 7: his twentieth and twenty first of the season. Meanwhile, the

1945
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:57,200
Speaker 7: late games on FS one and there's no outs in

1946
01:44:57,240 --> 01:44:59,559
Speaker 7: the top of the first and it's nine to nothing,

1947
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:03,600
Speaker 7: Washington leading at Arizona. God damn it, and the Diamondbacks

1948
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:07,160
Speaker 7: starting pitcher Brandon Fott was seven and three coming in,

1949
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:11,320
Speaker 7: did not get an out, allowed six hits, two hit batters,

1950
01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:16,160
Speaker 7: eight runs charged to him. The visitors are still batting.

1951
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:19,200
Speaker 7: I repeat with no outs in the first. It's nine

1952
01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:24,759
Speaker 7: nothing Nationals at Arizona. Well, the Minnesota Twins have scored

1953
01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:26,720
Speaker 7: a run in the top of the ninth to tie it.

1954
01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:29,400
Speaker 7: At Seattle, it's now four to four against the Mariners.

1955
01:45:29,479 --> 01:45:32,360
Speaker 7: Bottom of the ninth. Cal Rawley with his twenty second

1956
01:45:32,360 --> 01:45:35,320
Speaker 7: home run of the season for Seattle, and Yes, the

1957
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:38,559
Speaker 7: Indiana Pacers are going to win the Eastern Conference Finals

1958
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:42,000
Speaker 7: four games to two. About forty five seconds left, Pacers

1959
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:44,840
Speaker 7: lead the Nicks one twenty five to one ZH five.

1960
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:48,240
Speaker 7: A dominant second half of the home team, Tyrese Haliburton

1961
01:45:48,360 --> 01:45:51,400
Speaker 7: up to twenty one points and thirteen assists after a

1962
01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:55,200
Speaker 7: slow start, Passcal Siakam with thirty one points for the

1963
01:45:55,200 --> 01:45:59,120
Speaker 7: team that will win shortly. The NBA Finals start Thursday

1964
01:45:59,240 --> 01:46:03,519
Speaker 7: in Oklahomas. Just won WNBA game tonight. Chicago, which was

1965
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:06,080
Speaker 7: one and four, got to win at Dallas, which is

1966
01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:09,080
Speaker 7: one and six ninety four eighty three the final. The

1967
01:46:09,120 --> 01:46:12,879
Speaker 7: Stanley Cup Final starts Wednesday, Florida at Edmonton. Scottie Scheffler

1968
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:15,679
Speaker 7: leads the Memorial by one stroke after a third round

1969
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:18,760
Speaker 7: sixty eight cocoa golf winner third round match at the

1970
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:21,880
Speaker 7: French Open, there's a soccer playoff tonight for the final

1971
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:24,479
Speaker 7: spot in next month's Club World Cup, which the US

1972
01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:28,519
Speaker 7: will host. LAFC is hosting Clube America tonight for that

1973
01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:32,320
Speaker 7: final spot to qualify into Chelsea's group. Paris and German

1974
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:33,799
Speaker 7: took the Champions League final.

1975
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:34,479
Speaker 1: Earlier.

1976
01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:37,200
Speaker 7: In baseball, the Mets won the Phillies loss. The Mets

1977
01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:39,920
Speaker 7: and Phills now tied for first place in the NL East.

1978
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:42,959
Speaker 7: The Mets start a four game series at Dodger Stadium

1979
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:45,679
Speaker 7: on Monday night. That Mets win was eight to two

1980
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:48,519
Speaker 7: over Colorado, a team that has lost seven in a

1981
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:52,519
Speaker 7: row and is nine and forty nine overall. The Phillies

1982
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:56,040
Speaker 7: were trailing seventeen to two in the ninth lost seventeen

1983
01:46:56,040 --> 01:46:58,960
Speaker 7: to seven to Milwaukee, which has won six in a row,

1984
01:46:59,240 --> 01:47:01,720
Speaker 7: and we had a fine of Tampa Bay sixteen to

1985
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:05,599
Speaker 7: three at Houston. It is now a final at Indiana

1986
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:09,439
Speaker 7: Pacers one twenty five to oneh eight over. The next

1987
01:47:09,640 --> 01:47:12,840
Speaker 7: New York season is over. The Knicks won fifty one

1988
01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:16,679
Speaker 7: games this year. Indiana won fifty games in the regular season.

1989
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:20,200
Speaker 7: The Pacers the four seed going to the NBA Finals.

1990
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:23,439
Speaker 2: Back to you, Steve, before you go, this is hilarious, right, Like,

1991
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:27,160
Speaker 2: we're going to set up the NBA Finals before we

1992
01:47:27,240 --> 01:47:30,840
Speaker 2: get to the end of the show. It's now sat

1993
01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:35,000
Speaker 2: Thunder and Pacers. As you said, but the guys know this.

1994
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:37,040
Speaker 2: Ryan knows this, Ian knows this.

1995
01:47:37,160 --> 01:47:38,200
Speaker 1: Are our producer.

1996
01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:41,040
Speaker 2: One of the things that I wanted to say today,

1997
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:44,599
Speaker 2: and I have data to back myself up here, One

1998
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:47,280
Speaker 2: of the things one of the things I wanted to

1999
01:47:47,320 --> 01:47:49,320
Speaker 2: say today was.

2000
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:52,040
Speaker 1: That what's really ailing baseball?

2001
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:55,200
Speaker 2: We get pitched clock, and let's stop runner at second

2002
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:57,280
Speaker 2: in extra innings, and let's stop the shift.

2003
01:47:57,000 --> 01:47:57,360
Speaker 1: And all this.

2004
01:47:57,880 --> 01:48:02,000
Speaker 2: What's really ailing baseball is that in twenty twenty five,

2005
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:07,120
Speaker 2: it's too hard to hit. And I arrive here on

2006
01:48:07,160 --> 01:48:12,080
Speaker 2: a night where the Dodgers have scored fifteen, eighteen, eighteen,

2007
01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:16,639
Speaker 2: the Brewers have scored seventeen, the Nationals have scored ten,

2008
01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:19,280
Speaker 2: you're telling me, and there's nobody out in the first

2009
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:19,840
Speaker 2: inning or.

2010
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:23,080
Speaker 1: Something like that. The Rays scored sixteen.

2011
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:25,960
Speaker 2: This is akin to when you go to the doctor

2012
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:28,559
Speaker 2: because your knee's been hurting every day for three weeks

2013
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:30,320
Speaker 2: and they're like, tell me what's wrong, and you're like,

2014
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:32,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, it feels perfect today.

2015
01:48:32,160 --> 01:48:34,160
Speaker 7: I'm ready to run up and down the hallway time

2016
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:36,960
Speaker 7: like I have all kinds of it's up.

2017
01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:42,120
Speaker 2: Do you know that since nineteen seventeen, the four seasons

2018
01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:47,160
Speaker 2: where hits per game per team have been the lowest.

2019
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 2: The four seasons are all in the last five years.

2020
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:52,640
Speaker 7: You do have a good point on paper because of

2021
01:48:52,680 --> 01:48:55,519
Speaker 7: the way pitching staffs and the bullpen are used. Now,

2022
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:57,599
Speaker 7: it's just isn't a good day to prove that.

2023
01:48:57,720 --> 01:48:59,080
Speaker 1: This was the wrong night.

2024
01:48:59,439 --> 01:49:03,320
Speaker 2: I needed to say this, Like I gotta tell Scott Shapiro,

2025
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:05,320
Speaker 2: I needed to do this show at noon.

2026
01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:10,080
Speaker 1: This is a terrible night to make my point.

2027
01:49:10,479 --> 01:49:15,600
Speaker 2: Wow, this is like when Steve you know what, I

2028
01:49:15,640 --> 01:49:19,439
Speaker 2: would love to know, when's the last time this many.

2029
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:23,280
Speaker 1: Runs have been scored in a day in baseball? Yeah?

2030
01:49:23,479 --> 01:49:26,080
Speaker 7: This has been by the end of the next show.

2031
01:49:26,360 --> 01:49:27,280
Speaker 1: Holy crap.

2032
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:30,760
Speaker 7: Anyway, it is two on two out for that FS

2033
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:33,160
Speaker 7: one game. The late game, it's ten to nothing top

2034
01:49:33,200 --> 01:49:36,080
Speaker 7: of the first So Arizona hasn't even batted yet, right,

2035
01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:40,000
Speaker 7: they're down ten and to say the least, the Nationals

2036
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:43,920
Speaker 7: have not only batted around, they're halfway through the order

2037
01:49:43,960 --> 01:49:44,800
Speaker 7: a second time.

2038
01:49:44,920 --> 01:49:49,479
Speaker 1: Correct, Yes, yeah, the Nationals. It's like it's not even

2039
01:49:49,479 --> 01:49:50,240
Speaker 1: one of the good teams.

2040
01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:51,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, a team with a losing record.

2041
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:55,920
Speaker 2: The Nationals have done this. The Rays are barely over

2042
01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:58,160
Speaker 2: five hundred. They've got I get it. When the Dodgers

2043
01:49:58,160 --> 01:50:02,080
Speaker 2: score eighteen, they've got an epic, unbelievable lineup.

2044
01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:06,000
Speaker 7: Although it is a shocker because you know, Mookie Betts

2045
01:50:06,040 --> 01:50:09,120
Speaker 7: is out this weekend, broken toe, and the Dodgers had

2046
01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:11,640
Speaker 7: a sub five hundred record the last three weeks, and

2047
01:50:11,680 --> 01:50:15,000
Speaker 7: the Yankees were dominating the last three weeks. It's what

2048
01:50:15,040 --> 01:50:17,360
Speaker 7: they can be. It's just not what we've seen. It's

2049
01:50:17,360 --> 01:50:17,920
Speaker 7: a brand.

2050
01:50:18,240 --> 01:50:19,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2051
01:50:19,400 --> 01:50:25,639
Speaker 2: And then coincidentally, guys, I'm also looking at the scoreboard today.

2052
01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:27,080
Speaker 1: Let's see.

2053
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:29,400
Speaker 2: Now, the Padres and Pirates are still playing, so we

2054
01:50:29,439 --> 01:50:30,160
Speaker 2: won't count that.

2055
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:33,679
Speaker 1: But the Reds, so count the.

2056
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:40,479
Speaker 2: Reds, the Rangers, the Red Sox, the Giants, and the Tigers.

2057
01:50:40,479 --> 01:50:41,839
Speaker 1: Today we're all shut out.

2058
01:50:42,439 --> 01:50:42,799
Speaker 7: Correct.

2059
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:44,680
Speaker 1: Five teams scored Zippo.

2060
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:47,479
Speaker 7: Low scoring games also heaped. There are a couple of

2061
01:50:47,479 --> 01:50:48,719
Speaker 7: one nothing games today.

2062
01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:51,080
Speaker 2: So anyway, what do you guys think of my point

2063
01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:52,400
Speaker 2: it's too hard to hit in baseball?

2064
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:56,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll back up your point. As long as you

2065
01:50:56,200 --> 01:50:58,559
Speaker 7: heard my first sentence. This is a bad night to

2066
01:50:58,680 --> 01:51:03,599
Speaker 7: prove this right. The way pitching staffs are used is

2067
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:06,720
Speaker 7: they'll just have everybody come in from the bullpen and

2068
01:51:06,760 --> 01:51:09,880
Speaker 7: throw absolutely as hard as he ever has in his life.

2069
01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:12,479
Speaker 7: And who cares if he blows his arm out. We'll

2070
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:14,799
Speaker 7: just get a new pitcher and you'll have another Tommy

2071
01:51:14,840 --> 01:51:15,439
Speaker 7: John surgery.

2072
01:51:15,479 --> 01:51:18,120
Speaker 1: One hundred four miles an hour. People are throwing hundred four.

2073
01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:21,519
Speaker 7: There was the Trek Schooble complete game in the last

2074
01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:24,639
Speaker 7: week where his final pitch, a strikeout to end the game,

2075
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:27,519
Speaker 7: was one oh two on a complete game.

2076
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:28,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2077
01:51:28,439 --> 01:51:32,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, So anyway, great stuff is always tonight, Steve Ryan,

2078
01:51:32,720 --> 01:51:35,120
Speaker 2: what'd you think of my fancy point it's too hard

2079
01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:35,960
Speaker 2: to hit in baseball?

2080
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:39,880
Speaker 4: Now, I think that newsweek should pick this up and

2081
01:51:40,600 --> 01:51:44,280
Speaker 4: this would be, you know great, this would be would

2082
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:45,559
Speaker 4: be back to back segments.

2083
01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:48,200
Speaker 1: You know, Yiannis would love to hear that one.

2084
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:51,800
Speaker 7: And you know, stay tuned. There's another segment. He's going

2085
01:51:51,800 --> 01:51:53,320
Speaker 7: for the hat trick exactly.

2086
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:58,360
Speaker 2: That's a perfect response. Yeah, someone's gonna be like, Yo,

2087
01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:01,960
Speaker 2: there's this dude out west. Somebody needs to check on him.

2088
01:52:02,080 --> 01:52:04,280
Speaker 8: I've got some numbers here for the highest scoring day

2089
01:52:04,280 --> 01:52:07,840
Speaker 8: in MLB history, according to Google AI combined as two

2090
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:10,960
Speaker 8: hundred and twenty two runs June tenth and sixty two,

2091
01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:14,400
Speaker 8: nineteen sixty two. Okay, highest in modern era was two

2092
01:52:14,520 --> 01:52:16,680
Speaker 8: hundred and four back in twenty twenty one, so not

2093
01:52:16,760 --> 01:52:19,439
Speaker 8: that long ago. But I calculated today there have been

2094
01:52:19,479 --> 01:52:21,720
Speaker 8: one hundred and thirty seven so far, so still a

2095
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:23,400
Speaker 8: ways to go if we want to get that record.

2096
01:52:23,400 --> 01:52:28,160
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right, but the Nationals are still batting,

2097
01:52:28,200 --> 01:52:29,080
Speaker 2: so stay tuned.

2098
01:52:29,479 --> 01:52:33,960
Speaker 7: No, they just need like they just left the bases loaded,

2099
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:36,439
Speaker 7: so it's only ten to nothing at the end of

2100
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:37,160
Speaker 7: half an inning.

2101
01:52:37,320 --> 01:52:40,839
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, all right, that was funny.

2102
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:44,720
Speaker 2: Okay, Ryan, it's it's gonna be Pacers and Thunder your

2103
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:48,759
Speaker 2: full breakdown now, that's a fact coming up next shortly

2104
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:51,559
Speaker 2: after the show. Podcast goes up. If you missed any

2105
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:54,760
Speaker 2: of today's show, be sure to check out the podcast.

2106
01:52:54,840 --> 01:52:57,280
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2107
01:52:57,320 --> 01:53:00,280
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2108
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Speaker 2: just search Fox Sports Radio wherever you get your podcast,

2109
01:53:04,040 --> 01:53:07,280
Speaker 2: and you'll see this show posted right after we get

2110
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:09,280
Speaker 2: off the air with Ryan Hollins.

2111
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Speaker 1: I'm Mark Willard on Fox Sports Radio.

2112
01:53:14,160 --> 01:53:17,000
Speaker 2: Or we're live in the Fox Sports Radio Studios, Aaron

2113
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:23,200
Speaker 2: Torres and Olden Polonies. Our friends are standing by, so

2114
01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:25,679
Speaker 2: hang out with them. I'll be back with you tomorrow

2115
01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:28,600
Speaker 2: night with e from Salam from five to eight in

2116
01:53:28,680 --> 01:53:31,920
Speaker 2: the West, eight to eleven in the East. It's been

2117
01:53:31,960 --> 01:53:34,280
Speaker 2: a real joy to hang out and talk with you

2118
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:35,400
Speaker 2: again tonight, my ma'am.

2119
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:39,360
Speaker 4: Full circle man. Yeah, I think you've forgotten I did

2120
01:53:39,439 --> 01:53:42,120
Speaker 4: my first ever radio show with you.

2121
01:53:42,479 --> 01:53:45,200
Speaker 2: I have not forgotten. I will never forget that. I

2122
01:53:45,240 --> 01:53:47,360
Speaker 2: am honored that that is the case, to be honest

2123
01:53:47,400 --> 01:53:47,640
Speaker 2: with you.

2124
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:51,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'm like, you know what, I always wondered that, like,

2125
01:53:51,960 --> 01:53:54,639
Speaker 4: was it like, hey, this guy might be doing this

2126
01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:57,000
Speaker 4: one day, or was it like I don't know how

2127
01:53:57,040 --> 01:53:58,960
Speaker 4: serious he's taking it. You're like, you know, you seems

2128
01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:02,360
Speaker 4: like there's a lot of players that want to do it,

2129
01:54:02,400 --> 01:54:04,439
Speaker 4: you know. And I'm like, I wonder how I came off?

2130
01:54:04,479 --> 01:54:07,120
Speaker 1: How bad? Was I I was like, hmmm, he's tall.

2131
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:11,880
Speaker 2: No, I'm kidd no, I knew I knew that if

2132
01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:15,599
Speaker 2: you and and actually I never questioned whether or not

2133
01:54:15,600 --> 01:54:16,519
Speaker 2: you wanted to do it.

2134
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:17,800
Speaker 1: That was obvious right away.

2135
01:54:17,800 --> 01:54:19,479
Speaker 3: Well, the student tie gave it away for me.

2136
01:54:19,760 --> 01:54:22,479
Speaker 2: I was like man, this dude, because by the way,

2137
01:54:22,640 --> 01:54:25,760
Speaker 2: I will tell you this, in the ex athlete come

2138
01:54:25,800 --> 01:54:30,679
Speaker 2: to media world, some of the ex athletes arrive without

2139
01:54:30,840 --> 01:54:31,800
Speaker 2: realizing that.

2140
01:54:31,800 --> 01:54:33,320
Speaker 1: The word X is in there.

2141
01:54:34,200 --> 01:54:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I'm here, i am now the world's

2142
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:45,200
Speaker 2: gift to media, and I'm like, you still have to

2143
01:54:45,240 --> 01:54:47,880
Speaker 2: be good, like you have to have something to say

2144
01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:49,080
Speaker 2: and be able to talk it out.

2145
01:54:49,080 --> 01:54:51,600
Speaker 1: And if that was never that was never a question

2146
01:54:51,680 --> 01:54:55,080
Speaker 1: with you ever, ever, ever.

2147
01:54:55,320 --> 01:54:59,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm not surprised that here you are, all

2148
01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:03,720
Speaker 2: of these years later. And so pacers in Thunder. Check

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Speaker 2: it out. Man, someone's gonna win their first title ever.

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01:55:07,240 --> 01:55:09,400
Speaker 2: I know that the Sonics won a title, but that's

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01:55:09,440 --> 01:55:11,520
Speaker 2: a completely different fan base, so I don't count it.

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01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:16,280
Speaker 2: These two fan bases have never won an NBA championship,

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01:55:16,280 --> 01:55:17,920
Speaker 2: and one of them is gonna get their first, which

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01:55:17,960 --> 01:55:18,480
Speaker 2: is awesome.

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01:55:20,200 --> 01:55:20,840
Speaker 1: It is.

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01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:23,640
Speaker 4: And you know, right as we want to anoint like

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01:55:23,720 --> 01:55:26,520
Speaker 4: a new face of the league, we're gonna get our shot,

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01:55:26,720 --> 01:55:30,680
Speaker 4: We're gonna get our opportunity here and there's gonna be someone.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it would have been you know, it'd have.

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Speaker 4: Been very newsworthy if the Knicks had have won it

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01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:39,720
Speaker 4: or somehow come through. But nonetheless, man, fantastic season for

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01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:42,680
Speaker 4: the Knicks. That's off to what those guys did. I

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01:55:43,080 --> 01:55:47,840
Speaker 4: hope that there's not like, you know, disparaging comments or

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01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:49,640
Speaker 4: frustrations from you.

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Speaker 3: Know what it is.

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Speaker 4: And I hope and I hope what I don't see, Mark,

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01:55:54,040 --> 01:55:55,879
Speaker 4: there's not a lot of respect to the Pacers.

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Speaker 3: That's a really good basketball club there.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, look, quite frankly, that word respect is

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01:56:03,200 --> 01:56:06,640
Speaker 2: always kind of an interesting one because it comes when

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01:56:06,680 --> 01:56:09,920
Speaker 2: it comes, and sometimes it comes a little bit later

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01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:11,800
Speaker 2: than people would want it to come.

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Speaker 1: But that's the way it works.

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Speaker 2: Like, quite frankly, I think that when you're just handicapping

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01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:22,440
Speaker 2: the Western Conference, Oklahoma City was given a lot of

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01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:25,520
Speaker 2: disrespect before this thing started, despite the fact that they

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01:56:25,560 --> 01:56:28,760
Speaker 2: were the clear favorite to come out of the West,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of people did the Hold on a second, mister,

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01:56:32,280 --> 01:56:34,800
Speaker 2: never been there before. Are you really going to work

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01:56:34,840 --> 01:56:40,560
Speaker 2: your way through Nikola Jokic, Lebron James, Steph Curry, Kawhi Leonard,

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01:56:40,640 --> 01:56:42,800
Speaker 2: all of these former You're really gonna work your way

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01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:44,280
Speaker 2: through all these former champions?

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01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:47,360
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah they are. They are.

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01:56:47,480 --> 01:56:49,839
Speaker 2: And actually in the end they did it with relative

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01:56:49,880 --> 01:56:54,360
Speaker 2: ease as it turned out in the in the conference finals.

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01:56:54,400 --> 01:56:59,000
Speaker 2: And so you know, I don't think that every either

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01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:00,880
Speaker 2: of these teams are going to be disrespected on the

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Speaker 2: way out of this upcoming series.

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Speaker 4: Well how about this, how many people were going Lakers.

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01:57:07,880 --> 01:57:10,360
Speaker 4: There's a lot of people going Lakers to.

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Speaker 1: Win it all for sure.

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Speaker 4: Then when you know the Lawyers got hot and you

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01:57:15,200 --> 01:57:18,320
Speaker 4: guys won that Game seven, there are people kind of.

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01:57:18,280 --> 01:57:19,520
Speaker 1: Going, oh, Lawyers, what it all?

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Speaker 4: You know, but you know what the parody and how

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01:57:23,320 --> 01:57:25,360
Speaker 4: up in the league, up in the air of the

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01:57:25,400 --> 01:57:27,760
Speaker 4: league was. And it's a different NBA because you know,

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Speaker 4: once upon a time, Mart, you get it.

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Speaker 3: You could just.

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Speaker 1: Go, oh, Lebron, his team is good.

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Speaker 4: You went by player, it was like Lebron, Oh, it's oh,

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01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:38,520
Speaker 4: it's Curry and it's Durrant and you could, you know,

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01:57:38,720 --> 01:57:41,720
Speaker 4: kind of kind of do that. And you can't do

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01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:45,000
Speaker 4: that now. Man, it's a different league. And Mark, you

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01:57:45,080 --> 01:57:46,839
Speaker 4: remember all everyone that would cry.

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01:57:46,640 --> 01:57:48,600
Speaker 1: For there's no parody, and we don't want to know that.

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01:57:48,720 --> 01:57:51,240
Speaker 1: Golden Street's like that's gone.

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Speaker 4: So you know, don't complain that you got you want parody,

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01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:56,880
Speaker 4: you got it now you got Okay, seeing Indy in

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01:57:56,880 --> 01:57:57,680
Speaker 4: the championship.

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Speaker 1: Yep, exactly.

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01:57:58,600 --> 01:58:00,800
Speaker 2: And I know that, you know, those who root for

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01:58:00,840 --> 01:58:03,040
Speaker 2: those teams or respect those teams are gonna be bothered

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01:58:03,040 --> 01:58:05,840
Speaker 2: by what gets said now in sports media.

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01:58:05,920 --> 01:58:07,600
Speaker 1: For the next three days.

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01:58:07,640 --> 01:58:10,440
Speaker 2: It's gonna be all about, oh my god, Adam Silver,

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01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:13,440
Speaker 2: if he had hair, he'd be pulling it out because

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01:58:13,480 --> 01:58:16,520
Speaker 2: of these markets. It's Indianapolis and Oklahoma City. This is

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01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:18,760
Speaker 2: not what they want. This is not gonna be good ratings.

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01:58:18,920 --> 01:58:21,080
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. And that may

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01:58:21,120 --> 01:58:23,040
Speaker 2: all be true, but in the end, I don't know, man,

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01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:25,360
Speaker 2: if you're really a fan of the sport, like who cares?

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01:58:25,920 --> 01:58:28,640
Speaker 2: Who cares? I I think these are these are pretty

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01:58:28,680 --> 01:58:32,880
Speaker 2: watchable teams. Again, not a big fan of watching some

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01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:37,040
Speaker 2: of the things that Shay Gilgess Alexander does, But in

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Speaker 2: the end.

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Speaker 1: They're pretty watchable teams.

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01:58:39,560 --> 01:58:41,880
Speaker 2: And if you love the NBA, you're you're still gonna

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01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:44,400
Speaker 2: be in on this and and uh and if all

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01:58:44,440 --> 01:58:48,280
Speaker 2: you like is watching you know, huge stars, uh, then

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01:58:48,280 --> 01:58:49,080
Speaker 2: maybe you'll be out.

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01:58:49,240 --> 01:58:50,800
Speaker 1: But but you get what you get.

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01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:54,000
Speaker 2: And all of the NBA conspiracy theories can go to

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01:58:54,120 --> 01:58:55,520
Speaker 2: die this year, that's for sure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, And you know what, it's just just you can.

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01:59:01,880 --> 01:59:03,520
Speaker 4: We want to watch it, and we want to promote

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01:59:03,560 --> 01:59:06,000
Speaker 4: the league. And I think it's good that we're gonna

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01:59:06,000 --> 01:59:09,280
Speaker 4: get a new star, but like you gotta warm up

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Speaker 4: to these guys and they have to make their names.

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Speaker 4: And I'm excited for the new talent and we've asked

2242
01:59:15,320 --> 01:59:17,400
Speaker 4: for a new face of the league and you know

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01:59:17,800 --> 01:59:18,640
Speaker 4: we're gonna get.

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01:59:18,480 --> 01:59:21,960
Speaker 2: It temporarily at least. Yeah, like I you know it does.

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01:59:22,240 --> 01:59:24,760
Speaker 2: A player is branded differently if they've won a ring.

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01:59:24,840 --> 01:59:28,680
Speaker 2: So whether it's Shay or Halliburton kind of slash Siakam,

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01:59:28,680 --> 01:59:31,960
Speaker 2: he's already done it. We'll see man. Hey, great stuff tonight.

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01:59:32,080 --> 01:59:33,160
Speaker 2: Really fun to chat with you.

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Speaker 4: Good talking with you, Mark, been a long time man.

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Speaker 4: And we'll do it again.

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Speaker 2: Soon, no doubt. For Ryan Hollins, I'm Mark Willard. Stay tuned.