Speaker 1: So the one thing I wanted to bring up that's
Speaker 1: you know, while we while we're doing my episode, that's
Speaker 1: important to me and something I want to bring attention
Speaker 1: to is you know a lot of people saw it
Speaker 1: on social media, but my brother Bob, his daughter, my
Speaker 1: niece Ronnie, was shot in the road rage incident some
Speaker 1: months back, and I wanted to make sure because a
Speaker 1: lot of people hit me, they ask how she's doing,
Speaker 1: as they can help. So I just wanted to, you know,
Speaker 1: bring up the fact that, you know, our family started
Speaker 1: a foundation in her name, and you know, if people
Speaker 1: want to, you know, donate to the foundation because we
Speaker 1: want to start helping people also who have been in
Speaker 1: you know, similar situations or acts of violence, different things,
Speaker 1: and we want her name, you know, to continue to ring.
Speaker 1: And you know, she survived, you know she survived good. Yeah, amazing,
Speaker 1: but she got a long road ahead of her. And
Speaker 1: you know, can you tell us the name of the foundation?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, first of all, I just want to say
Speaker 2: to everybody because and y'all posted it. Everybody posted it
Speaker 2: and it was literally thousands of people praying for her.
Speaker 2: And my biggest thing is I just want everybody to
Speaker 2: know that prayer works because she's an absolute miracle. We
Speaker 2: got a chance to see God's hands on my own daughter,
Speaker 2: because if you're looking at in the physical she ain't
Speaker 2: supposed to still be here. And so I just want
Speaker 2: to say thank you to everybody like we felt it.
Speaker 2: We felt the love, we felt the prayers, and God
Speaker 2: kept her. She's drinking smoothies, she's laughing, she's sitting up
Speaker 2: on the side of the bed. She's an absolute miracle.
Speaker 2: And for everybody that prayed, God is still the God
Speaker 2: of miracles.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, we thank you so much. And her foundation,
Speaker 2: me and her mom, Francine started her foundation and it's
Speaker 2: called Love Ronnie Simon. And at some point me and
Speaker 2: Je have talked about it. We want to do things
Speaker 2: in her name. We want to do things in the
Speaker 2: name of her foundation.
Speaker 1: Games going, let's get some kickball games.
Speaker 2: I talked to him about you were bringing our comedian friends,
Speaker 2: our R and B friends, and we're throwing stuff and
Speaker 2: sharing our gifts to bring awareness to to the road
Speaker 2: rage and to violent crimes.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It ain't just for her. It's going to keep going on.
Speaker 2: My prayer is that, like he said, it's going to
Speaker 2: give her a space to speak from when she's able
Speaker 2: to speak. Now, this is her purpose, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, And now she can change lives. So that
Speaker 2: would be the goal of love. Ronnie Simon.
Speaker 3: Tallege that we are authority at this point.
Speaker 1: I'm just Jay And every time I say new see it,
Speaker 1: look see a look, I really am black ball. I
Speaker 1: didn't do nothing right.
Speaker 4: Why you hear me?
Speaker 1: I adn't even do nothing right. I feel right. So
Speaker 1: nigga Damon like, bro, you got another name? Wow? I'm like, no, nigga,
Speaker 1: don't have another name. I'm fucking j Newt from the Neutrone.
Speaker 1: I can't do that. I can't do that no more.
Speaker 1: I can't be that no more. So he's like, well,
Speaker 1: what's your full name? I never told anyone what my
Speaker 1: full name was. It's like, what's your middle name? I'm
Speaker 1: like some bullshit because you know his nickname is that
Speaker 1: I'm named after a pimp. Yeah, yeah, I'm named after
Speaker 1: a pimp. But but as a kid, you don't know that.
Speaker 1: You're not you don't know how that all. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? You ain't got the abbadeb q on
Speaker 1: you you know what I'm saying, So I don't understand
Speaker 1: what none of that means yet. I just think they
Speaker 1: already say I'm pretty, and you want to telling them
Speaker 1: that my name is Valentine? Right?
Speaker 4: Fuck right?
Speaker 2: Instead of fighting five niggas.
Speaker 5: I gotta fight fifty of them now.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'm like Valentine. Like, Nigga, your middle
Speaker 1: name is Valentine. Nigga, that's cold nig Nigga's they can't
Speaker 1: city niggas already, that nigga that is cowld down, can't
Speaker 1: city niggas, right, Nigga, that's cold Valentine. So he just
Speaker 1: kept saying, he kept saying it. I'm like, Noah, nigga,
Speaker 1: I'm Jay. But when he would introduce me to people,
Speaker 1: he would say, oh, this is Valentine, and then I
Speaker 1: would come behind him and be like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's Jay. Say but it was Valentine on my demo everything,
Speaker 1: which I didn't know that I had a demo because
Speaker 1: I had just recorded three songs and it was just
Speaker 1: I thought I was writing for people. But as it's
Speaker 1: going around, people are asking who's the kid singing Who's Valentine?
Speaker 1: Come to find out and lands in a couple of
Speaker 1: people's you know offices. One of the offices is Electra Records.
Speaker 1: Sylvia wrong. So Daryl Williams, who was the head of
Speaker 1: an R at the time, was from the Bay. He
Speaker 1: was like, you know, flying to New York. I had
Speaker 1: met with Daryl in La. He flew to New York
Speaker 1: so we can meet Sylvia. And it was It was
Speaker 1: odd because I felt like Sylvia didn't really listen to
Speaker 1: the music. She just like me. She just saw something
Speaker 1: in me. I didn't know that her and Damon had
Speaker 1: already had their history m hm. So she kind of
Speaker 1: wasn't fucking with Damon, but she had found out that
Speaker 1: he had this kid. I don't know none of this shit.
Speaker 1: This is the music business. Learn this. Learn these things.
Speaker 1: Somebody who may be walking you in could already have
Speaker 1: been history there, good or bad. And in this situation
Speaker 1: it wasn't so great. But she loved me. So when
Speaker 1: they walk me in, they say, you know, this is
Speaker 1: Valentine and I'm like, nice to meet you. I'm Jay.
Speaker 1: She was like Jay, well, who's Valentine. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm Jay, but my middle name is Valentine. She
Speaker 1: was like, oh, well you're Jay. Valentine. Sylvia, if you're
Speaker 1: watching this, you probably don't remember, but you name me.
Speaker 2: I never knew that either.
Speaker 1: No, Sylvia won't name me Jay Valentine. Wow, thank you,
Speaker 1: And fast forward. The deal don't work out because we
Speaker 1: just got too much shit going on. It's too much history,
Speaker 1: it's all these things. That deal doesn't work and I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, well, really I just wanted to write songs anyway,
Speaker 1: and the songs that I have from that deal, nothing
Speaker 1: ever came out. We didn't put out a single, we
Speaker 1: put out anything. The songs that I had from that deal. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm a professional songwriter because I've been writing. And before that,
Speaker 1: we had landed a record on Kevon Edmonds on Coco
Speaker 1: from s WV, so we had two placements. The Cavon
Speaker 1: album goes go. I still don't have my plaque, but
Speaker 1: I went through a thing with plaques where I just
Speaker 1: never I should probably order. But that deal deal comes
Speaker 1: and goes, but it enables me to have these ten songs.
Speaker 1: I had, like ten that I wrote, and I took
Speaker 1: that to the same lady who was the assistant at
Speaker 1: MCA Records, and I played her my ten songs and
Speaker 1: she gave me a publishing dear so kids publishing deal.
Speaker 1: I go in there, and what the publishing deal did
Speaker 1: for me is put me in a position where I
Speaker 1: didn't have to go get a job a nine to five,
Speaker 1: and I didn't have to sell drugs anymore because I'd
Speaker 1: had my record deal and I ran through that money
Speaker 1: wasn't no real money. And then my publishing deal wasn't
Speaker 1: no real money. But I think my record deal, my
Speaker 1: advance probably was like fifty grand, and I don't even
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure I got my full advance. I
Speaker 1: might've only gotten twenty five.
Speaker 2: It didn't get as full as that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I got twenty five. So I got
Speaker 1: a small set of twenty five. There I get my
Speaker 1: publishing deal. I get another small set of twenty five
Speaker 1: because my deal is worth one hundred my initial my
Speaker 1: initial advance is twenty five. I'm supposed to get fifty
Speaker 1: after I turned in some songs, you know that whole thing.
Speaker 1: We didn't get there, But I need like another ten
Speaker 1: because I got survived because now I got to get
Speaker 1: me in the We got an apartment, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. From my record deal.
Speaker 2: We moved.
Speaker 1: I finally got a bed about the biggest bed I
Speaker 1: could find. This is when I figured out what they
Speaker 1: call a California King roll around. I bought it all
Speaker 1: cash from some frontisher store in Inglewood. And back then
Speaker 1: they would give you the bed and the beds what
Speaker 1: it called it or the box spring, the box spring
Speaker 1: there trying not to give a niggas box breaks. This
Speaker 1: place gave me the bed, the box spring, and the
Speaker 1: full set. I bought it off for like twenty five
Speaker 1: hundred everything plus mattress, pillow top, Yeah, satin sheets rolled around.
Speaker 1: I got busy, you know what I mean, because I
Speaker 1: was like from this floor to this but I'm never
Speaker 1: going back to the floor at this point, so I'm like, shit,
Speaker 1: I got to get another deal. I go do this
Speaker 1: little bullshit as did Wanna Chapel. They gave me twenty
Speaker 1: five thousand. I'm starting to run out of ask for
Speaker 1: another team, and she hooked me up. So now I'm
Speaker 1: at thirty five. During that time where I'm signed to
Speaker 1: Warner Chapel, this thirty five thousands literally lasting me like
Speaker 1: a year. I go from nineteen I'm going into twenty.
Speaker 1: Around twenty I start, you know, even though we get
Speaker 1: out of the deal. Me and Damon fall out for
Speaker 1: a hot little six months. We get back cool, were
Speaker 1: writing and were just writing songs. He got a spot
Speaker 1: out in north Ridge, this gated community called Running Springs
Speaker 1: that we talked about with Little Steve, and we just
Speaker 1: writing songs by writing songs with us, and we know
Speaker 1: we got our little team. And one day Rodney Jerkins
Speaker 1: and his crew pulls up these niggas rich for real. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these niggas are rich Ridge. They have every diamond you
Speaker 1: can imagine on every piece of jewelry you can imagine.
Speaker 1: This is incredible. I'm talking about the clarity. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't stare at their jury. It hurts. I'm like, God, damn,
Speaker 1: He's like we went to the studio, it was piece
Speaker 1: of boxes, yeah, and jewelry all over. I want to say,
Speaker 1: who became my dear friend? God rested soul. Lashawn Daniels
Speaker 1: was banging his rolex on the board because me and
Speaker 1: him talked about it later on, because he didn't know
Speaker 1: that they relexes don't tick exactly. They roll and they
Speaker 1: stop and if you don't put it on, it'll stop.
Speaker 1: So if y'all see somebody's rolex and they're doing some
Speaker 1: weird movement. It's probably not real. So Lashawan was banging
Speaker 1: it on the He's banging it on the SSL. It's
Speaker 1: probably like one hundred thousand dollars watch Flooded. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is access to another level. So within that same
Speaker 1: couple of days, they just show up at Damon's house
Speaker 1: to play basketball with us, and I'm like, wait.
Speaker 2: See that's what who That goes back every time we
Speaker 2: played basketball against musicians, we are ringers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me and Bob were the ringer.
Speaker 2: Because we actually really played basketball and.
Speaker 1: We were kind of like white men can't jump. We
Speaker 1: were Woody Harrison because it's like these pretty niggas can't
Speaker 1: play bad time. I got stupid bounce this nigga three
Speaker 1: I got, I got damn handle, I got like nigga.
Speaker 1: I'm going from not going to college and playing basketball
Speaker 1: to now being in the music business. I'm fucking niggas up.
Speaker 1: But they bring a ringer they did, and we don't
Speaker 1: know he's a ringer because now he's their white man
Speaker 1: can't jim. He goes by the name of Harvey Mason.
Speaker 1: We don't know this nigga played at Arizona. We don't
Speaker 1: know this. Nigga played in the Final four and with
Speaker 1: Steve Kerr, and you know what I'm saying in Bison Dayley,
Speaker 1: we don't know Thise.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know this, niggas a pro. He played overseas, like,
Speaker 1: we don't know none of these things. So but Nigga
Speaker 1: and we don't care.
Speaker 2: We don't care when I say he's hitting me with
Speaker 2: d one and elbows.
Speaker 1: But it's also two of us. It's only one of him.
Speaker 2: Rodney and burd You can't.
Speaker 1: You can't. You can't. You can't guard both of us.
Speaker 1: You can guard one of us, but both of us.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get some ship off. So you know, long
Speaker 1: story short, we beat dark Child in basketball, and you
Speaker 1: know we was cool. Everybody kicking it. Uh Lashan on
Speaker 1: the sideline, laughing, cracking jokes and ship with two million
Speaker 1: dollars of jewelry on and they leave. I get a
Speaker 1: phone call from Damon the next morning. He's like, come
Speaker 1: by the house. I'm like, what's up, Like, Nigga, just
Speaker 1: come back. I got somebody you know we need we
Speaker 1: gotta sit down with. It's like, okay, I come back.
Speaker 1: It's the Ringer. This nigga played basketball? What are you
Speaker 1: doing here? I don't know he's in music at all.
Speaker 1: I don't know who four Play is. I don't know
Speaker 1: his daddy is Harvey Mason from the legendary jazz group
Speaker 1: For a player, it's just a nigga who I played
Speaker 1: basketball with, who I kind of still don't like from who.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like, like what's up? They're like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: you know you remember Harvey from last Night'm like, hey, all right,
Speaker 1: we hoop it. This is my first thought. You're like, nah, man, Harvey,
Speaker 1: you know, are you producing a writer? I'm like, for real?
Speaker 1: He so, yeah, you know I was engineering and writing
Speaker 1: with the guys and doing my thing a Dark Child
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, Like okay. Then he goes into
Speaker 1: his backpack, he plugs up and he has all the sound. Shit,
Speaker 1: this is everything out here on the radio. This is incredible.
Speaker 1: We start working immediately. He started, you know, fucking with
Speaker 1: some ship and you know, we're working for maybe about
Speaker 1: working for about a week ideas, nothing is solid yet,
Speaker 1: but we vibing. We go to Claim Jumpers. There's a
Speaker 1: Claim Jumpers. It's still there. H On uh On like
Speaker 1: Nordoff or Lasting. One of those might be Lasting on
Speaker 1: the corner Lasting, right what a north Fridge mall is me,
Speaker 1: Damon and Harvey and uh we haven't we having dinner
Speaker 1: and we're talking and Damn, it's like, bro, we need
Speaker 1: a name because we locked in. At this point, We're like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna, you know, we're gonna all work together. We're gonna,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this thing because you know, Damon, me
Speaker 1: and Damon are been working together and now Harvey's with us.
Speaker 1: He's like, we need a name. And you know, niggas, stars,
Speaker 1: spitball and everybody got some kind of name. This name
Speaker 1: is all, you know, Damon coming up with like intergalactic
Speaker 1: type ship and you know, and after he says it,
Speaker 1: then he does a dance move.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, No.
Speaker 1: Damn it no, and Dame, it's like, Jay, what you
Speaker 1: got You always got some something, some names, some something
Speaker 1: that I'm like thinking, I'm looking around, I'm like and
Speaker 1: Harvey's just kind of waiting, you know. Harvey's like waiting
Speaker 1: for the waiting for the action of what you know,
Speaker 1: what we got? And I'm like, oh, I think I
Speaker 1: got something He's like what. I'm like, we should be
Speaker 1: the underdogs, and they're like the underdogs. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody loves the underdog. They're like, okay, I said, but nah.
Speaker 1: And you know this because you know I'm idea overload.
Speaker 1: I always have an extended reason too, because I got
Speaker 1: to make sure you're rolling with me. And I'm like no,
Speaker 1: because Damon, you come from up under babyface Harvey, you
Speaker 1: come from up under Rodney, and Damon, I come from
Speaker 1: up under yours, under your tutelage. I worked with you.
Speaker 1: We're the underdogs. Everybody's rooting for us. Damn. Like, Nigga,
Speaker 1: I'm getting this motherfuck spray painted T shirt tomorrow. We
Speaker 1: get those for niggas who die.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like a hood ship that niggas get
Speaker 2: when you die.
Speaker 1: Everybody, everybody get the R E P. Little pistol, a starter, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But the fuck you're gonna
Speaker 1: get the underdog shirt. Damn it got undog shirt. You
Speaker 1: started getting underdogs right painted, all this air Force ones
Speaker 1: doing it. You're doing everything the most. We become the underdogs.
Speaker 1: They come up with a track that motherfucker starts with
Speaker 1: D and I'm like, this shit is crazy. But as
Speaker 1: we're doing this, we're also forming the partnership, and kids
Speaker 1: pay attention to this part. I wanted to be a
Speaker 1: full partner, but I wasn't paying for anything. I was
Speaker 1: purely sweat equity, meaning my hard work was my payment.
Speaker 1: I wasn't paying for studio. I wasn't paying to get
Speaker 1: the name trademarked sweat equity. They didn't want to make
Speaker 1: me equal partner. And I'm also nineteen and but I
Speaker 1: don't even got the money to put into it. But
Speaker 1: I know I got sauce, got sauce. But I you know,
Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm a niggas. It's us three, Like
Speaker 1: right now, if we're gonna start something, we're gonna split
Speaker 1: it thirty three and a third. He's like, nah, Champ,
Speaker 1: So what are we gonna do? Buddy? Is You're like,
Speaker 1: you're a Lashan And I'm thinking abo myself. Lashan's you know,
Speaker 1: and I don't know his business, but I don't think
Speaker 1: Lashaw is a partner at Dark Child. So I'm like, wait, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you'll make money off vocal production. You'll make money, you
Speaker 1: know as a writer, you'll sing on stuff, so you
Speaker 1: get you know, you get your you know, neighboring rights
Speaker 1: and you know the background vocals. You'll make money, but
Speaker 1: you you know, you're not our partner. And I'm skipping
Speaker 1: some steps because I like them girls happening. That the
Speaker 1: whole thing at that time. But I ended up writing
Speaker 1: I like them girls, and I left and I didn't write.
Speaker 1: I might have written a couple more songs, but that
Speaker 1: was the record that I wrote. Help placed because I
Speaker 1: got that record place. Shakie Stewart called me. I got
Speaker 1: that record placed initially, and then it ended up getting
Speaker 1: on because you know, we told I told the story
Speaker 1: to Tyresse about how it wasn't for him, it was
Speaker 1: for Usher in the beginning, and Brandy ended up placing
Speaker 1: it on tyres because we were trying to get some
Speaker 1: Brandy cuts too. And after they didn't want to make
Speaker 1: me a partner, I told him I was out. I
Speaker 1: was out, and you know, I helped found it with them.
Speaker 1: I you know, made up the name. But when I
Speaker 1: look back on it now, and they at one point
Speaker 1: they were my fuel. They were my fuel. They were like,
Speaker 1: I'm ana fuck them niggas up. I'm gonna become Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I didn't fully understand the full business of how
Speaker 1: this shit really goes of how when you come to
Speaker 1: the table, what all do you bring in relationships and
Speaker 1: business and anything like, what makes us partner with you?
Speaker 1: What makes us give you that full percentage? So you know,
Speaker 1: I walked away. I went around the corner. I worked
Speaker 1: with Way Robson, and I wrote for in Sync in
Speaker 1: a matter of two weeks of me leaving the underdogs
Speaker 1: in Sync.
Speaker 2: Dang, I was only a two week period.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was a millionaire. I got cracking. It
Speaker 1: didn't happen that fast my money coming. But that record
Speaker 1: made me a millionaire because what it also did is
Speaker 1: it made me and Wade sought after producer writers together
Speaker 1: because we were locked in together. And you know, now
Speaker 1: we're charging fifty thousand a record, and we're working on
Speaker 1: the Dream, not the Dream, but the group dreamt that
Speaker 1: puff hat. Yeah, and now we're working on Christina Vidal,
Speaker 1: who was she was on Nickelodeon and had record. We're
Speaker 1: working on her project. I remember they gave us, like
Speaker 1: I want to say, they gave us like a quarter
Speaker 1: million dollars to work on her album. Like we was cracking,
Speaker 1: like me and me and me and Wade Cracking. We
Speaker 1: just were writing and now it's time to renegotiate. Remember
Speaker 1: that thirty five thousand. Yeah, it's gonna be different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I got tyres. I like them girls and in sync.
Speaker 1: Just so, one point three million records in the first
Speaker 1: first week. Pay me my mother fucking money. Talk to
Speaker 1: me nice, or don't talk to me at all. Talk
Speaker 1: to me at all, whisper. So they didn't talk to
Speaker 1: me at all. They let me out. They couldn't afford me,
Speaker 1: They couldn't afford you. Yeah, I paid back my deal
Speaker 1: ten times over what they gave me. What do I do?
Speaker 1: I go across the street. I'm good for going across
Speaker 1: the street. I went from Warner Chapel to famous music.
Speaker 1: Shout out to my guy, Brian Postell and Ira Jaffey.
Speaker 1: Ira Jaffi was the first person to offer h me
Speaker 1: an executive job as a writer there, and I turned
Speaker 1: it down. Are we both? I turned it down and
Speaker 1: then he said, yeah, it wouldn't make sense. But he
Speaker 1: offered me an executive job when Brian Postel left, and
Speaker 1: they gave me a boatload of money. Heavy bag, and
Speaker 1: I want an escalade. I want an escalator and I
Speaker 1: want a GS four hundred. And now we're getting to
Speaker 1: the ship, right, and we we cracking and me and
Speaker 1: Bob got our We got our condo in Charmanoak, we
Speaker 1: got the bachelor pad. We cracking and then not only
Speaker 1: do I have that, now I got a studio house
Speaker 1: now too. Yeah, remember you came to north Ridge.
Speaker 2: Wait how old are you now?
Speaker 1: For these years are going by, I'm skipping. And then
Speaker 1: obviously we meet because as I get cracking, Damon and
Speaker 1: Harvey is like, wait this nigga, this nigga did become something. Hey, man,
Speaker 1: come back. Whatever you need, are your your percentages, your
Speaker 1: your things are good. And that's when I came back.
Speaker 1: And that's when you and I met, and we all
Speaker 1: met and we became brothers from the first day when
Speaker 1: we play basketball.
Speaker 2: That that story is hilarious because they were like, yeah, Tank,
Speaker 2: Tank really hoop And again we're always the ringer. So
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's no way this nigga's a musician. There's
Speaker 2: no possible way. They're like tank dunks like that, you
Speaker 2: know what I said, And we and it was a
Speaker 2: whole thing.
Speaker 1: Because now I think you had become Damon's Ringer now
Speaker 1: because Damon can't really hoop with that little ugly ass
Speaker 1: jump shot, right, So you're the new Ringer. So he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I got something. When we went to the twenty four
Speaker 1: twenty four in Hollywood, and obviously we came brothers from
Speaker 1: that point on, and you know, I didn't like the
Speaker 1: way the business was going, and we talked about that
Speaker 1: on the you know, the the Eric episode, and you know,
Speaker 1: once they kicked a little Ronnie out, I'm like, nah, man,
Speaker 1: y'all can't y'all can't kick a little Rounnie out. And
Speaker 1: if y'all kicking him out, I'm out. You know, I
Speaker 1: got a bank account full of money, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I ain't got no kids. I'm gonna sign somebody. When
Speaker 1: signed the artist out of my neighborhood, young dude named
Speaker 1: Bailey and now with City Boys Music the label, it
Speaker 1: was myself, my brother ron Uh Big Dan Mail, Steve
Speaker 1: big cousin. Jeff was our producer, Reggie Jacob.
Speaker 2: I gotta shout shout the roller.
Speaker 1: You got staff. I got a nigga, we nigga. I
Speaker 1: bought the fifteen passager van. I wrapped it with the
Speaker 1: vehicle rap put the City boys music on it. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? We out there, I blew it all.
Speaker 1: Chief he got a money sign on his forehead. What
Speaker 1: can we get this nigga who's coming from a major
Speaker 1: label music business to spend. And as we're doing this
Speaker 1: stuff with Bailey, our mother passes away. And I had
Speaker 1: been going back and forth. I was kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: back and forth city of the city. And when she
Speaker 1: passed away, I was just like, I need to move back.
Speaker 1: So I moved back to San Francisco. I sold, I
Speaker 1: sold my car. I bought like a twenty two hundred
Speaker 1: dollars bucket because I didn't want to be a money sign.
Speaker 1: It was a stick shift that a pocket full of money.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, I want to kind of get immersed
Speaker 1: into what's going on in the bay. But I'm also spinning.
Speaker 1: But I'm pulling up in the bucket. But I'm spending.
Speaker 1: I'm doing mixer meetings. This is my college. This is
Speaker 1: me really getting my feet wet on the music business side,
Speaker 1: because I'm paying for everything. Photo shoot, the vehicle wrapped,
Speaker 1: the studio time, the setting up a studio, the paying
Speaker 1: for overnight spins that I don't know are overnight spins
Speaker 1: because they're lying to me. And now I want to
Speaker 1: hurt somebody because they told me I would get ten
Speaker 1: spins a week. They didn't tell me they would play
Speaker 1: at two thirty in the morning. But you know, I'm
Speaker 1: learning the business. Yeah, your niggas was fuck niggas for
Speaker 1: that man, that's galishya. I could have told me when
Speaker 1: I was gonna get my spins, but whatever, and I'm losing.
Speaker 1: I'm losing, and I realized why I lost because I
Speaker 1: didn't do what the people wanted. I did what we
Speaker 1: wanted initially, and we just wanted to do the music
Speaker 1: we wanted to do with the artists, where Bailey Bailey
Speaker 1: had his mindset of what he wanted to do, and
Speaker 1: I'm rolling with him and we're trying to get a
Speaker 1: record on radio that says fuck your couch mm hmm
Speaker 1: early fuck your couch nigga too far. The record was hard, ship,
Speaker 1: the ship was hard, and it didn't work. And as
Speaker 1: I'm losing money, we started working on a mixtape and
Speaker 1: I used to do a character. Instead of it being
Speaker 1: Ron Eisley, he was called Ron Heife mm hmm, where
Speaker 1: I would sing songs, but in a Bay Area way,
Speaker 1: but I would like jokingly sing them. I would be
Speaker 1: singing that type of ship on our mixtapes, just fucking
Speaker 1: talking about being Ron Hypey, which ultimately we end up
Speaker 1: naming our brother Ron Heifey because his name was Ron,
Speaker 1: but it was a take from Ron Eisley and then
Speaker 1: doing that like people start, you know, we had a
Speaker 1: little mixtape of you know, and the DJs out there
Speaker 1: will be like, man, what's that, Ron Heifey? Should you
Speaker 1: be doing funny than? Motherfucker? And I go up to
Speaker 1: the radio station to see Big Vin and he's like,
Speaker 1: it's this record man, that just came out. It's going crazy.
Speaker 1: He's like, man, it's goofy though it got like this
Speaker 1: weird ass sound on it. These vocals is weird. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, playing for me and he like he pushed
Speaker 1: the thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh it's brom She got me.
Speaker 1: And t Pey was singing with the auto tune of
Speaker 1: and I'm like, and I listened to it one time
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, nigga, I flipped that already. I'm
Speaker 1: fucking around. We playing dominoes. I used to go up
Speaker 1: to go up to the radio station and just play
Speaker 1: Dominoes with Big Vin. I'm like, already flipped that. He's like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean you flipped it. He's like, how
Speaker 1: I go. I'm like, go, dumb dog I heipee. And
Speaker 1: he's like, Nigga for real. I'm like, yeah, Nigga, got
Speaker 1: about white tea. Yeah, my Nigga. I'm freestyling. He like,
Speaker 1: where's I'm like, oh, it's at the studio. I'm lying
Speaker 1: my ass off. I have no song. I'm making up
Speaker 1: parts and I'm getting out of there before you ask
Speaker 1: for more. Right. So he's like, Nigga, you bring that.
Speaker 1: I'm playing that tonight. I was like, nig I've been
Speaker 1: fighting for radio spins on Bailey. I'm like, wait, you
Speaker 1: just told me you're gonna play something, Nigga. I'll be
Speaker 1: back in thirty minutes. Go to the house. At this time,
Speaker 1: I'm staying. I'm staying in my cousin's basement and I
Speaker 1: have a studio setup in the bottom of it. In
Speaker 1: the bottom of the house. I know how to work protus.
Speaker 1: I mean you know that I was your engineer for
Speaker 1: a long time, and before we had Danny and Ruben, right,
Speaker 1: I was I was in between next week because Zany
Speaker 1: actually helped me and taught me. But I know how
Speaker 1: to engineer. At the time, I know how to use
Speaker 1: I had an inbox, remember the inbox and the little
Speaker 1: speakers that came with the little white speakers in audios
Speaker 1: with the little you know, little blue knobs had that.
Speaker 1: So I'm flipping records down there. But I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna use auto tune on it. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: sing it. But I was bushing, but I was singing
Speaker 1: as Ron Haiphi, So I don't sing that record seriously.
Speaker 1: And I'm playing his on playback and from every lyric,
Speaker 1: I'm just switching it to a Barrier lyric. I'm in
Speaker 1: the club feeling dishes, looking for a couple of little bitches, you.
Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm in the middle like money, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying with some college girls that's acting like they won't
Speaker 1: me that this is my lyrics, right, so I go
Speaker 1: knock it out. At the time, they were having a
Speaker 1: mix of meeting. It's called the Longman Convention. His name
Speaker 1: was Greg Lolly. He had this convention of all so
Speaker 1: everybody's just happenstance Bro everybody's in town for this mixing meeting.
Speaker 1: I take the record to the Strip Club. Bond is
Speaker 1: in the Strip Club. My guy D from d in
Speaker 1: Shadow is in there, and I hand the CD. I
Speaker 1: got on some fucking cargo shorts. I had the cargo.
Speaker 1: I mean I had the CD in my cargo shorts.
Speaker 1: I had him the CD. Nigga push play and obviously
Speaker 1: you know when that song first starts, it's only starts
Speaker 1: with vocals, but the girls knew I'm sprung because it
Speaker 1: was cracking. But when he pushes for the vocals, he
Speaker 1: goes good dump and they're like looking around. These are
Speaker 1: the strippers they're looking around or the exotic dance. I'm sorry, ladies,
Speaker 1: they're looking around and Nigga they start popping it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh.
Speaker 1: Shit, we got the DJ, and we got that nigga
Speaker 1: that I don't even don't really know that well. D.
Speaker 1: He's like a head, He's like the radio guy.
Speaker 2: Nigga.
Speaker 1: This shit is a smash. I'm like, it is. It's
Speaker 1: a joke. I'm not singing it was all one take.
Speaker 1: Whatever I heard him say. I just sang it a
Speaker 1: different lyric. I never went back. It's fucked up vocals
Speaker 1: on that song. He's like, Nigga, I'm playing this shit
Speaker 1: as soon as I get to work tomorrow. Turn your
Speaker 1: radio on. He used to control Top Top eight at
Speaker 1: eight or to Hot six at six, whatever it was.
Speaker 1: He plays me as the last song. By the end
Speaker 1: of that day, it was the number one song. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: The phone lines lit the fuck up. Nobody knows who
Speaker 1: Jay Valentine is, though, I'm still j NEWT to niggas
Speaker 1: in San Francisco. So he's like, yeah, I got this record,
Speaker 1: Jay Valentine. Everybody thinks I'm Spanish. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Valentine has a thing on it
Speaker 1: or something, but they all think I'm spared. Valentine is
Speaker 1: a thing that I was so but I'm Jay Valentine right,
Speaker 1: and they're like, you know, nobody knows what it is.
Speaker 1: So I'm like he's calling me. Like the next day,
Speaker 1: he's like, Nigga, the phone lines won't stop going off.
Speaker 1: I can't even play t Payne's version no more. The
Speaker 1: next day. This is at this point, it's like the
Speaker 1: hottest record in the Bay. His new record is and
Speaker 1: it's brand new though, but it's like it's burning the
Speaker 1: clubs up, it's burning the streets, the radio, everything. My
Speaker 1: record completely stops it. But I understand the music business
Speaker 1: at the time. I never register my song, and I
Speaker 1: did that purposely so he would get every spin that
Speaker 1: I got. Ye it's his song. So when they go
Speaker 1: to cease and desist me, they're like, wait, but it's
Speaker 1: not registered. I'm like, nah my nig At the time,
Speaker 1: Charles Kelly, it's LinkedIn, Chuck Chuck is linked in. The
Speaker 1: T Pain puts me on the phone with T Pain.
Speaker 1: He're like, nigga, you know how you talking. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what's up?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: Like you stole my ship. So I'm like, yeah, dog,
Speaker 1: I stole your record. Bro, like I love it, like
Speaker 1: for real. He's like, Nigga, that's how I got on.
Speaker 1: I stole a CON's record. He said, nigga, do your thing.
Speaker 1: I said, bro, they I said, jib is trying to
Speaker 1: see some desist me. I told them, niggas, they can't
Speaker 1: seiz some this shit.
Speaker 4: It's nothing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this is a real nigga. He's like,
Speaker 1: and I want to have a sing off. I said,
Speaker 1: you don't want that. I said. I was walking around
Speaker 1: in that song pain. He's like, nigga were having a
Speaker 1: sing off nigga, right, So we we're just cracking jokes
Speaker 1: on the phone, he said, But when I come back
Speaker 1: to the bay, I'm stealing my ship back. Comes back
Speaker 1: to the bay, he only sings, go dumb, stole his
Speaker 1: ship back, right, He sings my version right. The whole
Speaker 1: shit killed it great nigga man, and it starts a
Speaker 1: bidding war. Don't even have no demo. I have nothing.
Speaker 1: I got a song, and I got some songs I
Speaker 1: wrote for other people. Once again, because I wasn't trying
Speaker 1: to be an artist. I only did this ship one
Speaker 1: because the money was getting low and it just happened
Speaker 1: on luck. I got it all back, chief, I got
Speaker 1: it all back. I went and set with everybody. Everybody's
Speaker 1: offering the ultimate bag. I'm like, oh, I'm about to
Speaker 1: be rich rich now.
Speaker 2: The song is going crazy, and the song is going crazy,
Speaker 2: and Bobby back too.
Speaker 1: And I'm doing only five thousand to perform one song.
Speaker 1: I'm doing three or four of those easy going nuts.
Speaker 1: I'm driving from San Jose to Oakland to uh back
Speaker 1: to San Francisco, back to fucking sebastopool of our Mill
Speaker 1: Valley somewhere across that bridge. I'm crossing every bridge we
Speaker 1: have in the Bay Area every weekend, multiple nights.
Speaker 2: I'm kidding, you know, the bad is small. This nigga
Speaker 2: was like a king.
Speaker 1: No no, So then what do I call myself? The
Speaker 1: King of r and ba? Yeah? Yeah, I want all
Speaker 1: of the smoke because at this point I'm the only
Speaker 1: nigga singing too. Everybody else rapping. We got you know,
Speaker 1: I become what they do know me as I was
Speaker 1: the video ho fora keisha, so that's what they knew
Speaker 1: me as. And that's when I had to cut my
Speaker 1: braids when I move home, because I'm like, I got
Speaker 1: tired of girls running up on me talking about why
Speaker 1: I do keisha like that. Forty used to have his
Speaker 1: club called the Ambassador's Lounge. It was the most ratchet shit.
Speaker 1: It used to get shot up all the time. I'm sorry, Forty,
Speaker 1: but your shit used to get shot up. They used
Speaker 1: to shoot it up, and it was in San Jose
Speaker 1: and they would literally make you get right on the
Speaker 1: freeway from the club. But the last straw, I think
Speaker 1: a nigga shot it up in a winter bago and
Speaker 1: then tried to drive off. They got caught, but that
Speaker 1: was the end of that slows giving nigga. You know, listen,
Speaker 1: when you when you into it, you into it. So
Speaker 1: I'm getting a full bag. Everybody's offering me a deal.
Speaker 1: I do my deal at J Records. What I do
Speaker 1: when I get my deal, I come back to see
Speaker 1: all my niggas. I gotta go see t Pay because
Speaker 1: he didn't do the season desist, So I give him
Speaker 1: a bag. I fuck with Polo, I give him a bag.
Speaker 1: Who else the Underdogs and Big D and Jim Johnson
Speaker 1: And this is when I meet Static, and me and
Speaker 1: Static become really close friends. And he wrote me a
Speaker 1: record called Get with This Pimp. Mm hmmm. I don't
Speaker 1: know why niggas always wanted to put me in that space,
Speaker 1: but you know, he wrote me, you have no idea.
Speaker 1: Wrought me a record called Get with This Pepper, and
Speaker 1: we did a trade off. I gave him a record,
Speaker 1: he gave me that record. What's the record? I gave
Speaker 1: him miracles thing. It's called Miracles and the I was
Speaker 1: our trade off. That became my nigga. But then I'm
Speaker 1: back at the Underdogs with my bag of money, my
Speaker 1: new deal I'm shiny as ever, and I come see
Speaker 1: my guys. And that's where she worked. The trouble came from.
Speaker 1: That's where she worked. The trouble came from. And you
Speaker 1: little Steve, Tony Dixon.
Speaker 4: Eric.
Speaker 1: Damon Harvey, everybody just was like nigga ja here because
Speaker 1: I was you know, I was still I was an underdog,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, no matter what if I left
Speaker 1: or not, I was a nigga. I was an underdog.
Speaker 1: So we did those records, and I should have been with.
Speaker 4: You, and.
Speaker 1: I had this time. I had my chance to be
Speaker 1: Ron Nut. I had my chance to be Ron Newt.
Speaker 1: And when I became Ron Newts, I was rushing because
Speaker 1: I felt like they were slowing up my past, my path.
Speaker 1: They they weren't moving fast enough. We had some internal
Speaker 1: shit with marketing and different people, and I had leaked.
Speaker 1: You know that I leaked. She worked his trouble. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta tell him this though, too, Tank When
Speaker 2: I say they spent a bag on this niggas record
Speaker 2: though he worked with everybody oh and drag, Yeah, yeah, bro.
Speaker 2: The sessions we was in was insane. It was they
Speaker 2: had to spend two million dollars. I mean it was bro.
Speaker 2: He had everybody that was a name on that record.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did, like Larry Jackson, my guy, my brother,
Speaker 1: Larry set it out for me. But Larry didn't know
Speaker 1: that they were against him and ultimately against me, because
Speaker 1: Larry was my same age. We were the same age
Speaker 1: at the label at the time. I'm twenty five twenty four,
Speaker 1: he's twenty five to twenty four. They're like, young punk
Speaker 1: and this your first signing. Nah, we're not really rolling
Speaker 1: with that, nigga. And I started to pick up on
Speaker 1: that and I'm yo, bro, they not like, why did not?
Speaker 1: This record is going crazy? Like she Wrot the troubles rocking,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I'm like, they're not fucking
Speaker 1: with me, bro like. And then I get on the
Speaker 1: phone with, you know, with some of the team at
Speaker 1: the label, and I could just hear it in their
Speaker 1: tone like, oh, this is bad. And at the time,
Speaker 1: Deuce is on the way, my son is on the way,
Speaker 1: and I'm in that mode. I got my first kid
Speaker 1: on the way. You niggas is playing with my money,
Speaker 1: y'all asking me not to do as many shows no
Speaker 1: more because it's not the same time as it is
Speaker 1: now where they want you to. They're like, oh, we
Speaker 1: just want you an album mode, we want you doing this.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Nigga, I went from getting these bags every
Speaker 1: weekend and y'all slowing shit up because it wasn't immediate.
Speaker 1: So I leaked the record and shit goes crazy. But
Speaker 1: what I don't realize is me e king the record
Speaker 1: made people in the building look bad. So now it's
Speaker 1: another sword thrown at me, like this nigga and he
Speaker 1: think this and we don't like his attitude. Man, But
Speaker 1: I had an amazing deal. Shout out to Tim Mandelbaumb.
Speaker 1: Tim Mandelbaum was my lawyer. Tim Mandelbaum set me up
Speaker 1: a deal. It was called a two put and in
Speaker 1: this deal, they had to guarantee me two albums and
Speaker 1: if they did not record the second album, they had
Speaker 1: to give me the money for the second album. So
Speaker 1: I knew. I also had a clause in my deal
Speaker 1: where they was going to have to spend a certain
Speaker 1: amount of marketing dollars by a certain amount of time,
Speaker 1: and they were dragging their feet, so I used that
Speaker 1: clause to negotiate my way out of it. I was like, listen,
Speaker 1: y'all don't want you know, y'all don't want to do this.
Speaker 1: I told her, I said, bro, they they're not fucking
Speaker 1: with you, and you signed me, so they not fucking
Speaker 1: with me. And you know, long story short. You know,
Speaker 1: in a year's time, Larry was out.
Speaker 4: Of there too because.
Speaker 1: They wasn't fucking with him. They were trying to figure
Speaker 1: out his way out of you know, his exit out
Speaker 1: of the deal as well. But I was able to
Speaker 1: negotiate my masters. I own my masters. So if any
Speaker 1: of you kids want to us, look up she worked
Speaker 1: the trouble, sample it. I'll clear it. I want one hundred, No,
Speaker 1: I want I take ninety. I'll take ninety percent and
Speaker 1: give y'all ten. But if you take the whole thing,
Speaker 1: but I might negotiate something else. But I own it
Speaker 1: if you guys would like to sample it. And I
Speaker 1: just wanted to own me. Buying my Masters cost me
Speaker 1: an additional half a million dollars. I got a half
Speaker 1: a million dollars less to own myself and for me,
Speaker 1: I didn't care what I did with it. I didn't
Speaker 1: want nobody to own me, not no more. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to be owned. I didn't you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: want them to be to be able to ever put
Speaker 1: anything out because they would they would have the right to, and.
Speaker 3: You get cracking somewhere else, like, Okay, we still got
Speaker 3: these masters, and I wasn't gonna still be a singer ship.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I just don't want them niggas to own me.
Speaker 3: I got one out, so I brought myself out. They
Speaker 3: still had to give me an additional bag. I still
Speaker 3: got my other bag, but I own my masters, O
Speaker 3: my masters. So I got out of that deal. And
Speaker 3: then we started song Dynasty.
Speaker 1: Hey, we went on and we went on our run.
Speaker 1: It's when the big Bucks. It was about a year
Speaker 1: or so in between, you know, until we started song
Speaker 1: US three obviously in our guy text h and we
Speaker 1: got rolling. Man, that was the best time in my life. Guys.
Speaker 2: I want you guys to know that we have absolutely
Speaker 2: like because again I'll say all the other times, no
Speaker 2: one paid me any money. Durell and j maytrade and
Speaker 2: I appreciate you guys. Love deal.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I too started before the Underdogs, and I didn't get
Speaker 2: one penny, not one And we did the whole record
Speaker 2: that got his his his record deal, and I didn't
Speaker 2: get a penny, but I was doing some stuff and
Speaker 2: all the real baps over there.
Speaker 1: He said, Hey, Bobby, just come on, man, just come
Speaker 1: come right with me.
Speaker 2: Man. And the first record that we wrote was uh
Speaker 2: under what was the first record we worked together? And
Speaker 2: we got nominated, and then him and the Valentine started
Speaker 2: putting their minds together. Next thing, you know, we got
Speaker 2: a studio on Recita. We got everybody coming through. That
Speaker 2: thing was racking.
Speaker 1: I was god a little bit of money then, you
Speaker 1: know what.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, And they looked they bought him off the shelf,
Speaker 2: and the rest is history. Champ, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And so I never got to tell you what this
Speaker 2: guy negotiated my deal and he didn't ask for one. Henny,
Speaker 2: And he's one of the only guys in the music
Speaker 2: business that I can say if he tells you he's
Speaker 2: gonna do something, he does it. I had an independent record.
Speaker 2: He said, I'm I'm a producer when we first met,
Speaker 2: I'm a producer. Record on you. We actually used Jamie
Speaker 2: Fox's studio and he produced a song on me for nothing.
Speaker 2: There aren't guys like that in the business that do
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And then when we got
Speaker 2: to he said, Bobby, I'm gonna help you eat. That's
Speaker 2: the one thing about Darrel Batch's table. Everybody's gonna eat.
Speaker 1: Everybody eat, everybody's gonna eat.
Speaker 2: And so I never got a chance to tell you
Speaker 2: I love you for that, bro, You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I'm happy I get to tell you in front of
Speaker 2: the whole world, Chap, I love you for.
Speaker 1: It, because everybody else talk a good talk, but there's.
Speaker 2: No action behind it. Sure you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And so what y'all put together got a change. You know,
Speaker 2: I got to turn into Bobby Cash. You know. Now
Speaker 2: I'm you know what I'm saying. I got ten grand
Speaker 2: in my pocket all the time. I'm walking around with
Speaker 2: my shades, you know, in the dark. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying in the dark, you know. And so we,
Speaker 2: like you said, we started producing everybody. We writing songs
Speaker 2: for everybody. We we got real placements happening, we got
Speaker 2: real checks. I got a chance to really see what
Speaker 2: it was like. This nigga been getting it forever, but
Speaker 2: for me, because I got twelve kids.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 1: Well I got, but it feels like so I was like, God, damn,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you do that today?
Speaker 2: So for me, you know what I'm saying, like it
Speaker 2: that was, that was when it became real for me,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I was so happy
Speaker 2: to do it with y'all and that was that was
Speaker 2: an amazing time.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: So, Jay, I want to take a turn because you know,
Speaker 3: I think everybody most people understand you know you as
Speaker 3: a singer. Most people understand you as a songwriter, as
Speaker 3: a producer, but people don't really know the business side
Speaker 3: of of what you do, where you actually left the
Speaker 3: creative side and went behind the wall and became a
Speaker 3: suit as we call them, not quite a suit, but
Speaker 3: you went into that space and became, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, an executive and you you became a consultant
Speaker 3: in all of these things. I want you to tell
Speaker 3: people about that experience and and and and what you learned,
Speaker 3: what you gained from being on that side of the business.
Speaker 1: I learned that it's it's not designed for us to
Speaker 1: get wealthy. We can get rich. They let us get rich.
Speaker 1: But I learned that it wasn't designed that way. It
Speaker 1: was designed for us to you know, get enough money
Speaker 1: to eventually need them again. Hmm. And for me, I
Speaker 1: didn't like that part. I didn't like that artists didn't know.
Speaker 1: So now I'm part of conversations and hearing about deal
Speaker 1: points that artists never know about, that only lawyers and
Speaker 1: executives talk about, and we're just really part of the
Speaker 1: trade off. I became the spook next to the door
Speaker 1: who sat next to the door. I became that literally,
Speaker 1: like I put on a full costumes as a suit,
Speaker 1: and I stopped being on the creative side for so
Speaker 1: long that they entrusted me to now start learning all
Speaker 1: of the you know, the inner working yeah, and how
Speaker 1: the music business really works, and how what the dollar
Speaker 1: really means in the music business and how to get
Speaker 1: to it, and how you don't have to be famous,
Speaker 1: and how you don't have to have a hit record.
Speaker 1: Just got to make the right moves, you gotta you know,
Speaker 1: have your hands in the right things. And that that
Speaker 1: became my mission, is to one educate, but to also
Speaker 1: be really successful on that side, so that I could
Speaker 1: be some form of a you know, an ally to us,
Speaker 1: because I feel like I feel like I am split
Speaker 1: in two sides from the music business standpoint of I'm
Speaker 1: half artists, I'm half businessman. It's just who I am.
Speaker 1: It's just what I am. And sometimes I do too
Speaker 1: much business and it stops me from being creative. But
Speaker 1: I make sure that our business is in line, and
Speaker 1: whoever I'm in business with understands it if they want
Speaker 1: to do it or not. You know, you can't force
Speaker 1: people to do the business right. And I've had some
Speaker 1: people who didn't want to do the business right, and
Speaker 1: that's fine. But you know, I think that's why you
Speaker 1: and I have locked in for so long, because you
Speaker 1: trusted me, you trusted my business mind, and you went
Speaker 1: to bat for me when people didn't believe that I
Speaker 1: could do that. But you knew it, you know, because
Speaker 1: we had you know, we had set so many times
Speaker 1: and went over business and you understood, like, oh this
Speaker 1: nigga knows something. He got it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And for me, I was just like, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: work my hardest and what I don't know, I'll say
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I'll consult with people and I'll
Speaker 1: learn absolutely. And I've just always been willing to learn,
Speaker 1: and I've never you know, I've never put up a
Speaker 1: facade that you know I knew something that I didn't.
Speaker 1: It's shit, I don't know.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: You remember you call me about some shit, I'll be like, cheap,
Speaker 1: I'll call you.
Speaker 3: I was just I'll call you right back, call me
Speaker 3: back thirty minutes later. All right, So here's why we
Speaker 3: should do this. Now, here's the point number one, eight
Speaker 3: and then nine and ten. Then but if we don't
Speaker 3: do it, then we could go back. I'm like this, nigga,
Speaker 3: where did you get nigga? I'm gonna figure it out.
Speaker 3: Figure it out?
Speaker 2: So what's crazy? Listening to him?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And now, this is Jada Man. Obviously I know him
Speaker 2: as Jays the kid too, right and the nigga hated school.
Speaker 2: I'm talking all the house, Jane, show up to school today.
Speaker 2: You want to play basketball? But he don't want to
Speaker 2: go to school, right. And so when I listen to
Speaker 2: him talking, right, and I'm giving him his flowers right now,
Speaker 2: when I listen to him talking, and you just realize
Speaker 2: how smart he is. But he is very well read.
Speaker 2: And that's what a lot of people don't know, which
Speaker 2: is crazy. Every single day, he's very well read, which
Speaker 2: is why he's well spoken, so you get these sides
Speaker 2: of him where you're like, oh, the nigga likes getting
Speaker 2: me from the hood, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 2: he can also dress it up and take it to
Speaker 2: be an executive. Most people can't do that, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, and have a real conversation with you,
Speaker 2: like you said, call you, give you deal points, give
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, he been in the
Speaker 2: game for so long, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 2: now he's a prodigy of business. He's a prodigy of
Speaker 2: making records. He's a prodigy ass you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: like cause he again, he has the first record. So
Speaker 2: where me and you started a little later, he started
Speaker 2: at ten, you know what I mean. And to me,
Speaker 2: that's his advantage. But again, it's the biggest thing that
Speaker 2: he said his whole time, I've been learning, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I've been learning. I've been taking it
Speaker 2: all in, you know what I mean. And so I'm
Speaker 2: from me to you, bro, like I just I watch
Speaker 2: you and you know, I'm so proud bro, for real, No,
Speaker 2: I want you to know that, my nigga, like because
Speaker 2: the other thing is that the news have is we
Speaker 2: all have the round new factor. So when we walking around, like,
Speaker 2: what I know is that all the label people love him.
Speaker 2: They love him. You know what I'm saying, from the
Speaker 2: lawyers to the executives, to the artists, to the everyone.
Speaker 1: I can't play golf, but I can golf.
Speaker 2: You hear that.
Speaker 1: I say it again.
Speaker 2: I can't play.
Speaker 1: Golf, all right, don't play golf, but I can go.
Speaker 2: I can go Hello, Hello, because that's where it's made at.
Speaker 2: That's what happens at.
Speaker 1: So y'all.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to say to you, brother, and not
Speaker 2: even just so it's the business side, but so and
Speaker 2: I want to say this to him too, like singing wise, right,
Speaker 2: we didn't come up like you in the church. We
Speaker 2: came up like on some boy bands. You know, just
Speaker 2: be honest, boy Bend's don'b mothers now they can't really sing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this nigga is like the ghetto baby face.
Speaker 1: This ship is so sweet.
Speaker 2: And I want to say that to him because we
Speaker 2: never talk about it. Bro. When I said, I love
Speaker 2: your voice, bro, like and what you've done and what
Speaker 2: you've become and like me, like us, we got around
Speaker 2: niggas like you. We got around the church and men
Speaker 2: him was looking at each other like, hold on, man,
Speaker 2: that's singing straight. Ship ain't gonna do it.
Speaker 1: We gotta figure out because we competitive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so that's every time, like we'll practice till
Speaker 2: it can till we can do it. Yeah, And we
Speaker 2: got that from around to practice. Michael Jackson wrote that
Speaker 2: for us on the on the eight by ten practice.
Speaker 2: That just makes perfect, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 2: we had already had that mindset anyway. So get back
Speaker 2: to you, bro, But I just wanted you all the bro,
Speaker 2: all of it, even what he's done with you, bro,
Speaker 2: because you know I was, I was singing background for you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was nasty.
Speaker 3: It was getting nasty. I was looking at Ja, let's
Speaker 3: call it Ja. One day I said, look, Jay, I
Speaker 3: really want to do this. He was like, yeah, niggas.
Speaker 3: I said, nigga, I'm about to let everybody go. It's
Speaker 3: just gonna be me and you and we're gonna figure
Speaker 3: this shit out from the ground up.
Speaker 2: Because again, tank, everybody want to everybody eat. Some people
Speaker 2: taking advantage of that, you know what I mean, They
Speaker 2: take advantage of this. Now you got a good heart
Speaker 2: and people take advantage.
Speaker 3: So let me get with my cousins, nigga, because it
Speaker 3: was like, it's it's it's you know, you just just
Speaker 3: run into long lost family members. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's something in the universe. It's like these niggas.
Speaker 3: I'm related to these niggas some kind of way I
Speaker 3: have to the relationships I have to be. And so
Speaker 3: that right, that that that family connection was the bond
Speaker 3: that made it easy, made it second nature to do business,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Because it's the trust, that's
Speaker 3: where it starts.
Speaker 1: Right. So Jay, you go from child star. We didn't.
Speaker 1: We didn't.
Speaker 3: We didn't get to you till you sold a bike.
Speaker 3: But you used to sell bikes business. I started bike business, yea,
Speaker 3: selling drugs. Statute of limitations. They it's all gone. Not
Speaker 3: a lot of not a lot of drugs. But I
Speaker 3: didn't sell enough for y'all to come back. Relax, Okay,
Speaker 3: two artists, Back to songwriter hiphie, you know hiphee move
Speaker 3: the hypee movement. Maybe back to artists again. Done with artists,
Speaker 3: then back to the business producers behind the wall as
Speaker 3: an executive, then tanks manager, but before I was your manager,
Speaker 3: I was consulting. You were consulting, Yeah, I was consulting.
Speaker 3: And the consulting started with obviously helping Brian Kennedy get
Speaker 3: his his publishing deal. That was kind of like one
Speaker 3: of my first you know, jumps into that. But then
Speaker 3: when I realized I really wanted to.
Speaker 1: Be in the music business, I was like, I gotta
Speaker 1: fine artist. I gotta you know, and d named Love
Speaker 1: Rants mm hmm, my guy, I Love Ran had a
Speaker 1: big record and at the time it wasn't it wasn't
Speaker 1: it was bubbling. It was bubbling in the bay and
Speaker 1: it was called Up I Beat the Pussy Up Up Smash,
Speaker 1: and it was the first listen for me. And the
Speaker 1: wildest thing is that his brother and I were high
Speaker 1: school teammates until and I didn't know that at the time.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was his little brother until one
Speaker 1: day we ran into each other at Deuce's Deuce's birthday.
Speaker 1: I was happening at the bowling alley our Auntie used
Speaker 1: to own a bowling alley. Out to Diane. Also shout
Speaker 1: out to Diane because Diane took me and Bobby and.
Speaker 2: No, she she said, his life formative years. She said
Speaker 2: his life.
Speaker 1: She saved my life.
Speaker 2: I love that we came one day, like, Jay, this
Speaker 2: hood ship's over, man, come with us when we're in
Speaker 2: Diamond Heights, man ship sweet over here.
Speaker 1: It's really nice there. It was different. Do it taste
Speaker 1: different when the street? It was different? Yeah. So you know,
Speaker 1: Diane was a lifesaver. She was. She was absolutely a lifesaver.
Speaker 1: So she owned a bowling alley. And I was having
Speaker 1: h Deuce's birthday party. I think he might have been
Speaker 1: four or something, and my Tail and his family just
Speaker 1: happened to be there. And he's talking to me about
Speaker 1: his little brother in music. And I'm like, okay, you
Speaker 1: know niggas talk to me about music all the time.
Speaker 1: And he's like, no, bro, he got this record. It's
Speaker 1: called Up. I'm like, it's called what? Like uh? I'm
Speaker 1: like he's like, we're talking about this at my son's
Speaker 1: birthday party. They're like, yeah, that's my little brother. I'm like,
Speaker 1: hell nah, Like Nigga, that's my little brother. I want
Speaker 1: to connect y'all whatever. I'm like, Nigga, come on connected us.
Speaker 1: I started co managing him with my Tail. We managed
Speaker 1: him together. They don't have no deal, they have nothing
Speaker 1: going on. I'm like, listen, bro I said, it's big,
Speaker 1: but there are a couple, you know, people grabbing a
Speaker 1: record around the country, people just you know, kind of
Speaker 1: just taking the record nobody really need. So it starts
Speaker 1: to become that thing. I'm like, lo, listen, let's I'm
Speaker 1: gonna fuck all those up. I'm gonna shut every remix down.
Speaker 1: It was how I was like, we're gonna do the
Speaker 1: R and B version. I said, so I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get Pleasure Pee on it. That was the
Speaker 1: first make a pe you know, Pete fresh off of
Speaker 1: under y'all. Yeah, I mean he got pretty ricky. So
Speaker 1: I get Pee on the record. I leave the last
Speaker 1: verse open because Rants and I am Sue who produced
Speaker 1: the record. I am Sue. I left them verses open
Speaker 1: so they could do their verses. It was gonna be me,
Speaker 1: them and Pleasure p right at the time. You know,
Speaker 1: through whatever they had going on, they fell out. So
Speaker 1: when I send both of them the version with me
Speaker 1: singing the hook, actually I don't even send them the
Speaker 1: version with Pe on it. I sent it just me
Speaker 1: singing a hook and my verse. It was my first
Speaker 1: no no, just me singing the hook. It was supposed
Speaker 1: to be just me singing a hook with them with
Speaker 1: new verses, no new artist yet or new other other artists.
Speaker 1: I'm like thinking the R and B version because now
Speaker 1: was singing like you know what I mean, and Drake
Speaker 1: had I think, just came out around that time. I'm like,
Speaker 1: Nigga just singing rap shit like that vibe Nigga, we
Speaker 1: gonna kill him. And I flipped the hook to what
Speaker 1: it became the new version of Up with open verses.
Speaker 1: Them niggas don't do their verses because they fell off.
Speaker 1: So they're like, and the song is cracking rants doing shows.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm telling y'all, I said, man, if y'alln't
Speaker 1: do y'all verses, I'm putting somebody else on it. This
Speaker 1: is just like my fake threat. Niggas don't do their verses.
Speaker 1: I get pleasure to Peter do a verse his verse killer.
Speaker 1: Now I do a verse my verse killer. I'm like, Nigga,
Speaker 1: we got some shit. I go to Vegas, I have
Speaker 1: the record, I give it to DJ Franz and friends
Speaker 1: and plays it. We had a suite at the at
Speaker 1: the at the Palms, the basketball. Guess who walks in
Speaker 1: Tiger and Chris Brown. So my little brother, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm since he was fourteen fifteen. You're like, Nigga,
Speaker 1: what's this? I said, Nigga, this record going crazy in
Speaker 1: the bay. This the R and V version with me.
Speaker 1: He said, Nigga, I'm doing it tomorrow. I said, doing
Speaker 1: what the song? Nigga, I got the American Music Awards rehearsal,
Speaker 1: and I'm coming to y'all studio just when we still
Speaker 1: got the studio and now we're a track record. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking he lying, he know he Nigga calls me, big bro,
Speaker 1: start writing my verse for me. Just start the verse
Speaker 1: off like all this Nigga's really coming. No fucking bullshit,
Speaker 1: you coming, Nigga Chris Brown verse. We hadn't done those
Speaker 1: songs like that. I mean, like Nigga, I'm like, Nigga's
Speaker 1: the king.
Speaker 4: Fuck it.
Speaker 1: Nigga pulls up in one of his fast cars, a
Speaker 1: Lambo or something, pulls up and hop out like what
Speaker 1: you got? I got part of the verse. Now I'm
Speaker 1: coming to boot and I love that shit. We knocked
Speaker 1: that shit out in ten fifteen minutes. I'm engineering and
Speaker 1: watching the basketball game and this at the same time
Speaker 1: you're writing he knocked that shit out. I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: never about It's not gonna be the same. I call
Speaker 1: both of them niggas. I say, hey, bro, Chris Brown
Speaker 1: just got on the record. They're like, what we putting
Speaker 1: it out tomorrow fast? Put that motherfucker out once again.
Speaker 1: Don't register it, don't do the whole thing, because it's
Speaker 1: all spinds today for them. Every label's calling, everybody wants
Speaker 1: a piece of the record. Jimmy IV, Larry Jackson calls me, nephew, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's this record? Nephew, Yeah, Like that's fucking up records
Speaker 1: going crazy. I said, yeah, you know, because he had
Speaker 1: heard my verse, but he didn't know I was representing
Speaker 1: him too. I'm like, no, nigga, I did that to
Speaker 1: boost up the attention and a knock out all of
Speaker 1: these other remixes that are around the country. They're like, oh, nigga,
Speaker 1: when can y'all come to l A. I was like, now, nigga, go,
Speaker 1: we take our meeting at Jimmy Ivan's house. We go
Speaker 1: to the home, play him the record, play him the
Speaker 1: rest of the shit that he got. He loved it.
Speaker 1: Go crazy, like, man, whatever y'all want to do. He's like,
Speaker 1: whatever y'all want to do. So at first the conversation
Speaker 1: was to take once again, take those verses off and
Speaker 1: make it the R and B version mixed with the
Speaker 1: rap version, because the other version. I've been moving in
Speaker 1: the streets anyway. And I'm like, nah, this is his record, man,
Speaker 1: this is what I say. I'm like, nah, this is
Speaker 1: his record. This is not my record. This is love
Speaker 1: Rance's record. We're doing the deal for his record. I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, we want the record regardless. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, we're gonna sign him. We're not doing a
Speaker 1: singles deal. You're getting him a full album budget. We're
Speaker 1: doing a full album. I'm not letting y'all just single
Speaker 1: deal him. We do a four hour budget, full bag
Speaker 1: in his pocket. And Larry says, I got an idea.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put fifty cent on it. I said, we're
Speaker 1: out of here. We're fucking out of here with side. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, I said, oh my god. When you come
Speaker 1: to San Francisco. He does the video, he tries to
Speaker 1: get in the room with the with the guys to
Speaker 1: help them put they thing back together. The group the HBK.
Speaker 1: It don't work. They don't listen to him, you know.
Speaker 1: And that was my first stamp into the you know,
Speaker 1: the executive side. And after that, I have an end.
Speaker 1: I'm an I'm a I'm a consultant at the label,
Speaker 1: and I'm managing, and I'm doing my whole thing that
Speaker 1: you know that don't fully materialize for him, but to
Speaker 1: get him a big bag. And he's still making money
Speaker 1: to this day. And then one night I'm up at
Speaker 1: like three in the morning and these kids up on
Speaker 1: my YouTube because I'm I'm looking at I'm watching World
Speaker 1: Star Hip Hop, and it's this kid on there talking
Speaker 1: about his daddy and you know how, they're talking Chicago,
Speaker 1: my daddy, my daddy, my daddy, my daddy, and I'm
Speaker 1: who the fuck are you talking about? He shot at
Speaker 1: the police and he's talking about He's talking crazy like
Speaker 1: my daddy.
Speaker 2: Cheep Keith.
Speaker 1: Who the fuck is Chief Keith? So my ass nigga,
Speaker 1: I start googling, I'm start going into ship. I'm typing
Speaker 1: Chief Keith. Nothing's coming up. So now I have to
Speaker 1: type yeah into the film side Keith Keith because he
Speaker 1: keeps saying it with f yeah. So I'm like, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: Keith k f k e K nigga. I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: finding it. So I find it, nigga. But they reminded
Speaker 1: me of Double Rock. So I'm like, Nigga, I gotta
Speaker 1: find this kid. Actually, I got to save it in
Speaker 1: my computer and take it to Larry in the morning
Speaker 1: because I'm like, it's in the Scope records. This is
Speaker 1: fifty cent, this is doctor Trey, it's Jimmy Ivan. He
Speaker 1: understands it's eminem anything dangerous. So I'm like, next morning,
Speaker 1: I take the ship to Larry. He loses it. He's like, man,
Speaker 1: So we find our way to Chief Keep. We do
Speaker 1: the Chief Keep deal, and I'm like, the rap world
Speaker 1: ain't just it ain't for me. It was just too
Speaker 1: much going on. It was too much shit involved. I
Speaker 1: actually never made a dollar off for Chief Keep, off
Speaker 1: for getting that deal done off of a consulting an
Speaker 1: R nothing. I just you know, and I you know,
Speaker 1: I hung out with Keey for that first week and
Speaker 1: I never seen him really ever again, but you know,
Speaker 1: helped put him, help put the deal together, put it
Speaker 1: in place with you know, he had his uncle Roe
Speaker 1: and and dro and Peter Pan and all the you know,
Speaker 1: the guys that were working with him, and he became
Speaker 1: a fucking legend, absolutely, and it was a way for
Speaker 1: me to, you know, ultimately put some numbers on the
Speaker 1: board and become, you know, this kind of this best
Speaker 1: kept secret guy that had my ear to the streets
Speaker 1: because now I got two chief Keef Love rants like that,
Speaker 1: ships Cracking. And then I did that big ass record
Speaker 1: with the Rebix, and then they wanted me to sing
Speaker 1: and then I said no. In the height of up
Speaker 1: It's like, nah, I'm cool. I want to be a manager,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: But you got to tell him. But you got to
Speaker 2: tell him this too, though, because you know, fifty came
Speaker 2: to him and was like, bro, you should just take
Speaker 2: the record. And he said no.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people, a lot of people said,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying.
Speaker 2: How many people would have done that?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 2: I ran the record back in New York, this West
Speaker 2: Coast record.
Speaker 1: How many times in a row? What's that hot station
Speaker 1: out there?
Speaker 2: New York?
Speaker 1: One of them?
Speaker 2: It back multiple times. He calls him like, hey, bro,
Speaker 2: just should just take the record. I'll sign you. He's like, no,
Speaker 2: that's not my record.
Speaker 1: It wasn't my record. You know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny because a lot of people look
Speaker 1: at those type of things like, oh, well Jay did
Speaker 1: this and you grabbed that record in that record, But
Speaker 1: I never registered nobody's record. I never you know, took
Speaker 1: any money out of anybody's pocket that they were supposed
Speaker 1: to get. I was just having fun with music, and
Speaker 1: especially with the love NDS thing. I knew I needed
Speaker 1: to help it take you know what I mean, But
Speaker 1: I did, You know, I didn't. I didn't want to,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't want to, you know, just take
Speaker 1: it further. At that time, I wanted to fully be
Speaker 1: taken serious from an executive side. And you know, now
Speaker 1: you had chosen like when you choose your lane, you
Speaker 1: you're there. I'm there because we've been trying to get you,
Speaker 1: like you have plenty records where we were like this,
Speaker 1: what are we doing?
Speaker 2: Naay, let's go right.
Speaker 1: But I also felt like if I do that at
Speaker 1: that time, especially with song Dynasty, who's gonna protect us?
Speaker 1: Because we had tried managers, we had tried different people
Speaker 1: that were you know, involved in our business, but I
Speaker 1: always felt like nobody cared about us like us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I had to, in a sense, sacrifice that side
Speaker 1: of my life to put us in a position to
Speaker 1: really win. And that's when I start begging you to
Speaker 1: be a manager.
Speaker 3: I'm a manager. It's like, you're not just be dropping hints.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I kind of already managed you. You're not
Speaker 3: a manager, Jay, You're my friend. Okay, I didn't know
Speaker 3: that I've been dropping.
Speaker 1: For a minute. It's like, see, like I got cracked
Speaker 1: over here, baby, I know it's wrapped cracking.
Speaker 2: Take me like, man, that she is cracking over there.
Speaker 1: We'll bring me in. And that's and that really that
Speaker 1: really set it up for me, man to you know,
Speaker 1: be taken serious from a business standpoint. And I just
Speaker 1: started having more and more conversation with executives and and attention,
Speaker 1: you know, from Shakie Stewart to you know, Larry Jackson
Speaker 1: to Ethiopia have to Marry Him, to you know, Tubby
Speaker 1: to you know, like everybody who would sit Big John
Speaker 1: Big job. Important for me. I was just I was
Speaker 1: just listen Ira, Jeffrey, Brian Postell, like those guys were talking.
Speaker 1: I would listen. I'm learning publishing and I'm learning executive.
Speaker 1: I'm learning A and R and I'm just whoever would
Speaker 1: talk to me about it, Jaha, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm just listening to all of them. And you know
Speaker 1: when you you would at first, when you would just
Speaker 1: take me up to Atlantic with you. And I'm listening
Speaker 1: to Mike Kaiser talk and I'm listening to a Seanna
Speaker 1: talk and you know, Juliet's talking about radio, and then
Speaker 1: Craig Kalman comes in with the weird music side and
Speaker 1: I'm like, and then Julie walks in and she don't
Speaker 1: pay me no attention.
Speaker 2: She just you know, acting like I don't exist. It's
Speaker 2: all cool because.
Speaker 1: I'm learning that, Like, Okay, she know her ship, she
Speaker 1: know these numbers, you know how the movie shit around,
Speaker 1: Like this is how this music business works. And I'm
Speaker 1: asking lawyers and I meet Damien Granderson and Damien's giving
Speaker 1: me game and I'm cool, noted. You know, Doug Davis,
Speaker 1: I'm paying I'm paying attention, bro, Like I am paying
Speaker 1: attention and as they're talking and I'm doing it for us.
Speaker 1: I'm doing it so that when we get to those
Speaker 1: deal terms, I know what they're talking about and I
Speaker 1: know what to ask for because the other part is,
Speaker 1: as we learn with our guy Eric Greenspan, if you
Speaker 1: don't ask, they won't give it to you. Where are
Speaker 1: they going to give you that? Because we're going to ask.
Speaker 1: And Larry Jackson was consulting for us, Larry Jackson for us,
Speaker 1: the Almighty Larry, Yeah, I think you guys should ask
Speaker 1: for this. No, and if you just inside, if you
Speaker 1: just do this, if you just do this, and they'll
Speaker 1: let you get that. Thanks Larry, Thank you, Larry.
Speaker 2: Hey, that's why relationships are great.
Speaker 1: Bro, Like for real. He came with the then when
Speaker 1: we happened and you changed our lives. Brother, when we
Speaker 1: called Jay, I have something because he's my ultimate an
Speaker 1: R right is ere I'm like always his ear is.
Speaker 3: The one I lean. I'm like, Jay, I have something.
Speaker 3: It's out there, but I just I need you to
Speaker 3: hear it. And shout out to Cardiac my brother Cardiac.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Matt rest us Yeah, and E p
Speaker 1: l P E p l P about his producer that
Speaker 1: he had and he did rap oh and Chasing Cast absolutely.
Speaker 1: Chasing Cast said, hey man, that nigga he it he
Speaker 1: don't one.
Speaker 3: I said, can you do? R and B said hell yeah,
Speaker 3: I could do R and B never done. Send me
Speaker 3: the goods, nigga, and they send me them tracks. I
Speaker 3: was in Platinum Sound shout out.
Speaker 1: To Jerry Wonder, Jerry Wonder, Jerry Wonder, and.
Speaker 3: It just hit me, I said, and I said, when
Speaker 3: we looking at my jury, I can't think of my
Speaker 3: engineer at the time. My guy uh Asian guy man
Speaker 3: man him used to go back and forth about Floyd
Speaker 3: Mayweather and pack yeall like back, no, no, out of
Speaker 3: the Jerry Wonder spot, and so I look out at him.
Speaker 3: I was like, he's like this. I was like, fuck
Speaker 3: is the only word that works. Broun's the only.
Speaker 1: Word right in back of my mind. I'm like, gonna
Speaker 1: kill me. Pressed it up, I said, I said, let
Speaker 1: me just send this, let me just send this to Ja. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this was just your idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, j called me back. I did, like, uh,
Speaker 3: it's a little bit of the verses in there, but
Speaker 3: the hook was like what I really needed is is
Speaker 3: his ear on.
Speaker 1: He was like, nigga, what the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 3: First I said, I said, I said, man, I just
Speaker 3: I'm just doing what I feel. He said, Nigga, this
Speaker 3: ship is I don't know who gonna play this ship,
Speaker 3: but this ship jam and I said, yeah, let's go,
Speaker 3: let's go.
Speaker 1: We wasn't still on tables, still on tables, they believe,
Speaker 1: still on tables.
Speaker 3: He was making them calls with juliett what we're doing.
Speaker 1: Nasty Juliet and Joy. Julian and Joy was calling us
Speaker 1: the nastiest niggas and just but they rocked with us, man,
Speaker 1: and they fought. They fought for us. Shout to Atlantic
Speaker 1: to Atlantic Records. For sure. For sure they let us,
Speaker 1: you know, they let us rock, They let us be us.
Speaker 1: So yes, So.
Speaker 2: Since then, now you've had three record deals, You've yeah,
Speaker 2: you've you've had three records, You've made over a million
Speaker 2: dollars writing songs, and then you get with this guy
Speaker 2: and you get your first number one record?
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh as an artist? No, as a well? Was
Speaker 1: it as a songwriter to that? Yeah? The first number
Speaker 1: one record? Yeah, not what I mean I had, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had. I mean obviously I've been on in sync
Speaker 1: in that time. Yeah, but yeah, yeah in two facets
Speaker 1: number one on the radio and yeah, no that was yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah flight out yeah yeah, And I just you got
Speaker 1: to keep this in context, like we're from a.
Speaker 2: Small place Bro. Yeah, lightning has struck this food a
Speaker 2: gazillion times and get hit and it's qrazy hard. Okay,
Speaker 2: yes he does, but Bro, but blood plays a part.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: He found he just told you found chea key. So
Speaker 2: then the hood side comes up, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like there's an R and B side, there's a hood side.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's just so.
Speaker 1: Many fasts all of it, and a lot of successes
Speaker 1: come with it. And the backstories, like people don't know
Speaker 1: this stuff. They don't know you help to find Chief
Speaker 1: Keith Manage, there's other people major help major.
Speaker 2: Yeah he's healthy and hasn't asked for a penny from
Speaker 2: these guys. That's the other thing that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Hmm. Yeah. I really, I really do love the music
Speaker 1: business like I love music. I love the music business
Speaker 1: because I understand what the music business can do for people.
Speaker 1: Because I understand what the music did for us, what
Speaker 1: the music business did for us, and and people even
Speaker 1: attached to us. You know, our little cousin, Big Rich,
Speaker 1: he like the biggest ship in the bay. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. He got all kind of gotta you
Speaker 1: got a label deal with Atlantic. Now he got new
Speaker 1: artists coming up. You know what I'm saying. You know,
Speaker 1: like family members who have just they didn't know music
Speaker 1: before we got in music, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: who are fully immersed in it now and fully love it.
Speaker 1: And I love seeing that. I love being a part
Speaker 1: of that, and I love being a part of the
Speaker 1: conversation of like, you know what, man, Jay, you remember when.
Speaker 2: Did you know what other reason for hdown?
Speaker 1: I didn't Yeah, the neutrons. I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what they told you, Yes, sir, wow, yes, sir, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: favorite groups he was going to have.
Speaker 2: That's that's one of my homies. And he'd be hitting
Speaker 2: me and he'd be like, bro, y'all didn't he put
Speaker 2: it up on his grim the other day? Y'all don't
Speaker 2: know nothing about the New Tribes because him and his
Speaker 2: three guys, Yeah, that was their story, like they were
Speaker 2: looking at us. You're sometimes you could be an inspiration
Speaker 2: to people and not even we've been in inspiration to
Speaker 2: everybody in the Bay Area, like people in our family
Speaker 2: sing and you just never know what it's going to
Speaker 2: turn into.
Speaker 1: You know, that's crazy. I didn't know that. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that, But that's why you know, ultimately I've taken
Speaker 1: the path that I've taken. And what I realized when
Speaker 1: I when you finally was like, yeah, Jay, from the
Speaker 1: management side, I just looked at it like he's gonna
Speaker 1: get us where we gotta go. And I was tired
Speaker 1: of seeing people not respect you the way I respected you,
Speaker 1: and I remember you are, you know, the underrated shit
Speaker 1: in the whole. I'm like, man, fuck all that, nigga.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't be underrated, like nigga you him in my mind.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, if I got to sacrifice my career
Speaker 1: for a minute to help him get to this spot,
Speaker 1: so be it, and we'll get to where we gotta
Speaker 1: go and then we'll usher in everything we need to
Speaker 1: from that point on. Speaking of ushering in, it's a
Speaker 1: great segue, yeah, into getting this man finally back behind
Speaker 1: the microphone and singing more than one song. H So
Speaker 1: you go number one on slow Yeah yeah, yeah, yeh,
Speaker 1: You're killed on that record.
Speaker 2: Because just so you know, every time men, men, Jay,
Speaker 2: we when we sing with singers, right like which Tank
Speaker 2: is the singer? You got to ask yourself like did
Speaker 2: I did I do myself justice? Did I was I
Speaker 2: able to. You know what I'm saying, hang in there?
Speaker 1: Did I get cooked?
Speaker 2: Did I get.
Speaker 1: Call him the next day? I said, Oh, that's what
Speaker 1: you're doing. I got you.
Speaker 2: You know his pocket, he knows right where he pull pull.
Speaker 3: The reals back up. Let me sing something. Goddamn right,
Speaker 3: let me sing something. The ship over because he's he
Speaker 3: thinking's sweet.
Speaker 1: Let me see. Hey, nigga took part of my hook out,
Speaker 1: sang on the hook with me. You you out of control? Back? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he had a tone in the hook that
Speaker 3: was that was necessary. I said, no, that's what the
Speaker 3: hook should sound. So I gotta go back. I want
Speaker 3: to go back and sound like him. You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. Like the demo was super, the demo was
Speaker 3: out of control, but when he sang the hook, it
Speaker 3: was a different type of urgency.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you, bro. Yeah, tap me on the shoulder and
Speaker 1: allow me to hop on that record when you know
Speaker 1: I love the record. When he just came in period,
Speaker 1: it's like, this record is amazing, bro. You should you
Speaker 1: should sing And he was like, yeah, the only way
Speaker 1: I'll sing is if you do it too. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: got you gotta get on this get on this record.
Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck, let's go all right, let me let
Speaker 1: me You know, I already know the song because I've
Speaker 1: been listening to it.
Speaker 2: You know all the parts, and it's squire Boy, quiet
Speaker 2: boy now I'm quiet boy, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I appreciate that, and I think the you know,
Speaker 3: you know what people need to know the importance of
Speaker 3: all of that is that it's for me. It's been
Speaker 3: a hell of a row back for you. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: all been about timing, and more importantly, it's been about
Speaker 3: your time when it felt right for you, when it
Speaker 3: made sense for you, and coming off of that slow record,
Speaker 3: it couldn't have been any more perfect for you to
Speaker 3: be ready to have your own project and moment back
Speaker 3: as an artist, because you're like, I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: you look like my son, but you are Uncle Tank.
Speaker 3: I'm Uncle Tank. Like you're like, it's still fresh and
Speaker 3: and and new. Watching the comments and the commentary around hious,
Speaker 3: it's still I mean, it's hilarious. It's crazy, Like I
Speaker 3: find it hilarious. It's brand new. First of all, since
Speaker 3: the podcast is doing so crazy, everybody's like, when was
Speaker 3: somebody gonna tell me the podcast? Nigga can say, when
Speaker 3: was somebody gonna say that, right. The podcast was the
Speaker 3: full introduction. The podcast was like the introduction to the mind. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but now they're getting introduced to the gift, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like, and it's it's so crazy because
Speaker 3: it's like, in my mind, I've always known that that
Speaker 3: revelation would create that type of energy, and I've just
Speaker 3: been like impatiently waiting for for for you to come
Speaker 3: around and be ready to do it.
Speaker 1: And now and now it's time.
Speaker 2: Hey, speaking of you know what I knew when we
Speaker 2: did the job to Sy when we remade the song yeah,
Speaker 2: and he was on that thing like, by the way,
Speaker 2: those are our heroes, and we remade the record that
Speaker 2: he was on there, I was God, that's when I knew.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, his tone is so crazy, speaking
Speaker 2: of when did you what made you decide to be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come back to being an artist. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: come back, you know through a project.
Speaker 1: On the other side, I felt like I had something
Speaker 1: to say. I needed something to say, right because everything
Speaker 1: for me and you guys both noticed like I don't
Speaker 1: do things that don't have a purpose for me. So
Speaker 1: I felt like I had something to say, and you know,
Speaker 1: I felt like Tank had done enough for us. It
Speaker 1: was put me in coach time. You know. It was
Speaker 1: no seriously like I felt like, damn like Tank is
Speaker 1: because you know, I've watched what Tank has done for
Speaker 1: us at R and B money and what he's built
Speaker 1: and what we've built on Tanks back, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can help him with that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like I can help him with that. I think for
Speaker 1: me it was just more so how I help him,
Speaker 1: because a big part was I didn't just want to
Speaker 1: be known as a singer like I wanted to be
Speaker 1: known for my mind. That was very important for me.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be I hate to use this term,
Speaker 1: but I didn't want to be a dumb blonde. I
Speaker 1: didn't want to be that as they love to treat
Speaker 1: artists that way. They love to treat artists like the
Speaker 1: dumb blonde. And I was like, I need them to
Speaker 1: respect my mind first for me, and I felt like
Speaker 1: I had gotten to that point. I have. I'm here
Speaker 1: now where even just not even just in the music business,
Speaker 1: people that you know come up to me from the
Speaker 1: power cast. It's like, man, you know, you give so
Speaker 1: much information man, So you know your thoughts and the
Speaker 1: way you look at business and how you go about it. Man,
Speaker 1: I just respect it. And I'm like, that's enough for me.
Speaker 1: That is truly enough for me for people to have
Speaker 1: a different outlook of Oh you got some pretty hair
Speaker 1: and you can sing? You know what I mean? You know?
Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, it's time to I
Speaker 1: got that respect that I wanted, So now it's time
Speaker 1: for me to get back into, you know, the feel
Speaker 1: that I've always loved and I've put on hold for
Speaker 1: different reasons, but just I mean, and I.
Speaker 2: Can't wait for everybody to hear the music. Because his
Speaker 2: older brother he played it for me fire, and I
Speaker 2: honestly looked at him and I said, bro, you found it,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You know this was a lot of people don't know
Speaker 1: as an artist, like you're always looking for it? Like
Speaker 1: what am I? Who am I?
Speaker 2: How do I define who I am? Through my.
Speaker 1: Story?
Speaker 2: And other times when he had other deals, you could
Speaker 2: tell he was still trying to figure himself out.
Speaker 1: It wasn't even that I was trying to figure myself
Speaker 1: out out. It was a hustle. Mmkay, was getting too
Speaker 1: a bag, okay, And I wasn't turning it down, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I was really you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, I think I'm down. I'm down a
Speaker 1: quarter million with city boys. I got to get that back.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to write for other people before I get
Speaker 1: into that electric deal, you know what I mean. Obviously
Speaker 1: our deal was I'm a baby, but I was. It
Speaker 1: was never about me. It was never about like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm focused on this. It was like somebody heard a demo,
Speaker 1: I did a mixtape record, I did a street record
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. Now people just want to be
Speaker 1: in business with me what I got. I never had
Speaker 1: a time to make my album, and this time I did.
Speaker 2: It's special.
Speaker 1: This time I did. And I mean, since we only,
Speaker 1: I might as well announced what the name of the
Speaker 1: album is going to be. It's called Conversations with Women
Speaker 1: mm hmm. And that's what this album is. It's literally
Speaker 1: conversations with women. It's from every aspect. It's not like
Speaker 1: a relationship thing. It's relationships absolutely platonic, romantic, whatever they
Speaker 1: may be. And that's what this album is about. It's
Speaker 1: about me listening because a lot of it needs to
Speaker 1: me speaking from what they told me, even from a
Speaker 1: friendship standpoint. I'm not gonna say what the single is yet.
Speaker 1: You know the single will drop. What the album is called.
Speaker 1: The album is called Conversations with Women, and that's what
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you.
Speaker 1: So when he starts singing, are you now going to
Speaker 1: start managing? Listen?
Speaker 3: Man, listen man, we're all hands on deck, hands on deck,
Speaker 3: we are whatever's needed.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Have you met take the management.
Speaker 2: Derail man?
Speaker 1: You know we set it up.
Speaker 3: It's oh, it's like and it's crazy. It's like, if
Speaker 3: it's one thing that you can learn from, is this
Speaker 3: community some way or another. Everybody within that community has
Speaker 3: a job as a job and a function and they working.
Speaker 3: That's how we got to treat our community. Whoever next,
Speaker 3: whoever the next, and now it is time for him
Speaker 3: to go. You've got to fall in line and figure
Speaker 3: out what the position is to get that where it
Speaker 3: needs to be. That's that's the only way it works.
Speaker 3: It can't be like almost got over a little bit,
Speaker 3: Let me get some of that. It can't it can't
Speaker 3: be that. It's got to be how do how do
Speaker 3: we focus? Hyper focus and get it there. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: then we have Now we got two monsters. Then we
Speaker 3: go get the third, then we go get the fourth,
Speaker 3: and before you know it, we are who we said,
Speaker 3: we are, who we are who.
Speaker 1: We said R money.
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just I'm happy and proud that you
Speaker 3: know that you're in this space, that you're back in
Speaker 3: this space. And because you know, I don't, I don't
Speaker 3: say it lightly or you know, or say it from
Speaker 3: a space of.
Speaker 1: Well, I am partial to you.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just naturally just what it is, but
Speaker 3: really cold and most of the nigs out I appreciate
Speaker 3: it in real life, really are and so it's needed
Speaker 3: to help restore the balance. Yeah, we don't mind the bullshit,
Speaker 3: but this real ship has to also measure up, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I'm not performing in what I want to the
Speaker 1: story in because I'll be flying at the store too though,
Speaker 1: if you catch me at the grocery store, I got
Speaker 1: some ship on. But that stage is something different. This
Speaker 1: chair right now is something different. You know, these are fabrics.
Speaker 1: Talk about it, you know what I mean, It's just
Speaker 1: shi It is not a game. It's not a game.
Speaker 1: Because if they can't dress up as you for Halloween.
Speaker 1: You are not a star. You're not a star. Again,
Speaker 1: if they cannot dress up as you for Halloween, you
Speaker 1: are not a Star's a young man. You might need
Speaker 1: to unbutton another one. So it gets to a certain
Speaker 1: level mm hmm, and they understand what it is. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be me for that of times. They always
Speaker 1: day too. You always say that, And and that's one
Speaker 1: of the things I look at when I'm looking at artists.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: This group hit me the other day and I was like, man,
Speaker 3: listen to our song. Listen to listen to this song.
Speaker 3: And I watched the video if you if you send
Speaker 3: me something out hear, I listen to it and you don't.
Speaker 3: You might might not know I do, but I do.
Speaker 3: And I listened to the song song what's jamming? Niggas
Speaker 3: can sing? But they look like for random niggas. I'm like,
Speaker 3: y'all are a group? Yeah, if you haven't learned anything
Speaker 3: from Jagged Edge, from Once Twice, show Boys Boys to Men,
Speaker 3: All Great Things, Drew Hill.
Speaker 1: One twelve, like next next like come on, man, look.
Speaker 3: Like truth got to be some uniform look like group
Speaker 3: look like you know each other, look like you spent
Speaker 3: time together to find those outfits. Yeah, and that's just
Speaker 3: from the generation that we came up in. But the
Speaker 3: dell find come Jackson, come on. All great things we're
Speaker 3: talking about.
Speaker 1: There's a formula, the wispers, the whispers, first real player ship,
Speaker 1: there's a formula.
Speaker 2: Look at what your has on.
Speaker 1: I hope they see it. That's R and B money.
Speaker 2: That's all kind of money.
Speaker 1: We can't take it with us, right, nigga about two
Speaker 1: hundred thousand.
Speaker 3: You gotta understand, like, especially in the business that we in,
Speaker 3: we got us, we're selling something entertainment, entertainment. I don't
Speaker 3: want to look like your next door neighbor.
Speaker 1: I can't. I want your next door neighbor to feel like, damn,
Speaker 1: I gotta look like that so she'll pay me attention.
Speaker 1: There's that. I gotta put that on its levels. It's
Speaker 1: les levels, it's levels, it's levels, and those levels have
Speaker 1: to be represented if we're gonna get back to our
Speaker 1: true space of dominance, and that's what we are. The way,
Speaker 1: and that's what you want. You're on the way, the way,
Speaker 1: on the way. Hold on, man, she got man, I.
Speaker 2: Get the full treatment.
Speaker 1: He going to the I think I got the I
Speaker 1: have the longest episode of all time, all time. Listen.
Speaker 1: And you know why they can edit whatever they want
Speaker 1: because it is the introduction of Valentine. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's enough's enough time. Enough time has gone
Speaker 3: by without people understanding your history. Yeah, that's it, and
Speaker 3: we're going to take as much time as we need
Speaker 3: to make sure they understand what that is.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Sure. In the big game, no, Valentine
Speaker 1: sing a lot of R and B over.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 1: You've watched a lot of rn B. You've heard a
Speaker 1: lot of.
Speaker 4: R n B your students of this R and B.
Speaker 1: Game, mm hmm.
Speaker 2: You have to have.
Speaker 4: The top five.
Speaker 1: Top five.
Speaker 4: A top five, top five R and B singer lot
Speaker 4: and me song go.
Speaker 3: Valentine's top thought too big top though, I didn't you
Speaker 3: Valentine got of time.
Speaker 2: You Yeah, thank you, bro.
Speaker 1: I appreciate I got my time treatment treatment. Yea valent time.
Speaker 1: Your top five R and B singers? Are we going singers? First? Singers?
Speaker 1: Singers ringers course?
Speaker 2: Okay, I can't prepare, Oh yeah, I can't prepare.
Speaker 1: I can't prepare. You know you know this the show works. Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: but you know a lot goes on during the interview,
Speaker 1: so sometimes you need to you need to take your note.
Speaker 1: You understand Shawn Stocking, and my next will tell you
Speaker 1: why I chose Shan Stock, Joe Joe Hayley. They are
Speaker 1: Swiss Army Knights. Anything they can, whatever you want, They're
Speaker 1: gonna give it to you anything. So I'm starting with
Speaker 1: those two. Jasmine Sullivant, mm hmm. Jazmine Sullivant.
Speaker 3: They had this thing where, like I guess they have
Speaker 3: this new thing going around, which she was, you know,
Speaker 3: acting like the rent was due. Yeah, I see, like
Speaker 3: the rent was due. And she was singing live somewhere
Speaker 3: and she was singing like if I don't if I
Speaker 3: don't sing like this tonight, I'm gonna be home and
Speaker 3: they're gonna cut one of my feets off.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. That's how I got because she's she there
Speaker 1: for me. Whitney Houston. Yeah, voice, the voice, the voice,
Speaker 1: and my guy number five, I know where you're going, babyface.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, baby face. Those are my top five for me.
Speaker 1: And I think if you hear me say about to
Speaker 1: say that, they all makes sense I can't sing like them.
Speaker 1: I sing yeah you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like those are you are to me? Babyface for sure
Speaker 3: without it. I appreciate that because you can. I appreciate
Speaker 3: that you make less sound like more. And Babyface is
Speaker 3: the king of that. Oh yeah yeah, if I could
Speaker 3: be half of that, Yeah yeah, you got that. You
Speaker 3: have that that type of gift, all right, mister Valentine.
Speaker 3: The Valentine like to say, that's so eloquently your top
Speaker 3: five R and B songs.
Speaker 1: I'm ready. DI didn't love her live live, I'm on.
Speaker 3: Live.
Speaker 1: Just still love her. Lie that scream that that woman does.
Speaker 1: Talk about it, talk about the scream. I need it
Speaker 1: at some point. I need that scream. You know what
Speaker 1: sucks is now that you didn't got me hooked on
Speaker 1: any ears. I might not never hear it. I don't
Speaker 1: hear what's going on in my ears. But I need
Speaker 1: that scream. So I'm gonna tell him to turn up
Speaker 1: to the crowd.
Speaker 2: The crowd.
Speaker 1: I need to have that scream. It's different. I might
Speaker 1: run out there and give her a hug if I
Speaker 1: hear that scree in real life.
Speaker 2: I have a feeling you're gonna hear that.
Speaker 3: It's the lady at this girl at the gym, at
Speaker 3: this equinox down in Houston. She wanted to do the
Speaker 3: screen for you. She told me, she said, Hey, when
Speaker 3: you see Ja Valentine, can you tell him that, you know,
Speaker 3: if he needs a second or third wife. Wow, I'm available,
Speaker 3: I cook, I clean, I have my own job, I
Speaker 3: have my more money.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm his brother, so and I'm married, super married,
Speaker 2: and so they get my d ms all about him.
Speaker 4: Can you tell.
Speaker 1: On his line that I'm shooting my shot? Can you
Speaker 1: all the time?
Speaker 3: All the time, I was like, I'm trying to do
Speaker 3: chest lady, I'm just trying to you know, when you
Speaker 3: when you when you talk to Jay, make sure he
Speaker 3: knows that. Yeah, so distant love her live.
Speaker 1: You'll get the screen. Untitled.
Speaker 3: You're getting deep into these See what type of time
Speaker 3: can deep deep into the crase Today? I'm tired untitled
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: Because I love you, Lenny Williams mm hmmm. It's birth,
Speaker 1: so many right and so many emotions and so many
Speaker 1: it's everything. That record is everything. That record is everything
Speaker 1: to me. This one's gonna throw y'all prototype that's not.
Speaker 3: Gonna throw and shook me up when I first heard it,
Speaker 3: because I didn't think he should have been able to
Speaker 3: do that. I don't like that he did. Hope that
Speaker 3: you're the one, and if not, you are the prototype.
Speaker 3: I hate that he sang it as a singer. Got
Speaker 3: on my nerves. It sounded great, amazing. Oh the Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: I hope that you're the one.
Speaker 1: I think I'm in love. I think I'm in love. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: that record to me is man, it's a it's and
Speaker 1: it's a classic vote cool yeah, yeah, yeah, no, you
Speaker 1: know what I love. He really thought about this though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's cooking.
Speaker 3: It's a classic. It's a classic R and B vocal. Yeah,
Speaker 3: no rapper has a classic R and B vocal. Right, No,
Speaker 3: that's that's that's it.
Speaker 1: That's it. That record is is special. And I'm you know,
Speaker 1: since I am, I would consider myself at heart and
Speaker 1: when I still file taxes, I fiul taxes under songwriter.
Speaker 1: So I'm going I'm going to do more than five songs,
Speaker 1: and nobody's going to tell me, yeah, go ahead and
Speaker 1: sing it because I ain't going out. I ain't going out.
Speaker 2: I ain't going out because if it's five, Because if
Speaker 2: it's five.
Speaker 1: Slowly. Oh that's why I be wanting to fight you
Speaker 1: when you don't, because at that point you're not my
Speaker 1: brother anymore. I'm a fan. I'm a fan man. I'm
Speaker 1: mad at you for that little snippet on tiny desks.
Speaker 1: You don't disrespect slowly like that, brother, I don't care. No,
Speaker 1: not not slow not slowly? Slowly's back slowly, bro slowly.
Speaker 1: You're right, and listen. I'm only going on tour with
Speaker 1: you again. If you sing slowly, I won't go. They
Speaker 1: be like, why ain't you here? The nigga said he wasn't.
Speaker 2: Saying you say, he ain't gonna go?
Speaker 4: He ain't you know?
Speaker 1: I'm all right, So I'm gonna do this fast, do
Speaker 1: this fast, contagious mm hmm. He me and my sisters
Speaker 1: and brothers every family function, we picked the male and
Speaker 1: female parts and we sing contagious at the top of
Speaker 1: our lunges.
Speaker 4: What the hell is going on between?
Speaker 1: I love it?
Speaker 2: Come on.
Speaker 1: So contagious, even gonna get into our baby face? Where
Speaker 1: will we? Where will you go?
Speaker 2: Would people don't even know about that while we're there?
Speaker 1: And break my heart because that's still a babyface.
Speaker 2: Get you.
Speaker 1: By Daniel Ces the record right there. Man, who would
Speaker 1: have thought? Who would have thought? I get you? I
Speaker 1: love those lyrics because I say it all the time,
Speaker 1: Like I don't write from that perspective, because you know,
Speaker 1: the girls I've wanted in my life, I've been able
Speaker 1: to date, and I appreciate them for dating me, but
Speaker 1: I've never like I love I love dreams, I love
Speaker 1: your girl. I knew I could never write that record.
Speaker 1: I've never wanted another niggas girl, So I don't even
Speaker 1: know how that feels. And that's that's just being very honest,
Speaker 1: Like if you got your girl, nigga, I'm never I'm
Speaker 1: not going to I'm not going to look at her
Speaker 1: toy nice to meet you. I might hear her, I
Speaker 1: might hear her with a heisman if she tried to hurt,
Speaker 1: but you respect because that's that man's woman. I'm just
Speaker 1: not that type of I'm not that type of guy,
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't look at it from that
Speaker 1: standpoint honesty. Pink Sweats, I think I saw an ig
Speaker 1: of him singing that he's in front of like he's incredible,
Speaker 1: four or five, it's incredible. I love that kid. I
Speaker 1: love that kid. Super Crazy, Summer Walker Body, and fun Girl.
Speaker 1: Fun Girl is about Yeah, Okay, y'all go find Funer
Speaker 1: those who know, and then top twenty My last one,
Speaker 1: my last one, forever, my lady. Ah hell, and it
Speaker 1: means that much to me, and it means that much
Speaker 1: to me, and it means that much to me. So
Speaker 1: that's you know, I did forty seven thousand songs like
Speaker 1: these are the people that I love and the music
Speaker 1: that I love.
Speaker 3: And you know you're keeping me warm, you keep me warm.
Speaker 3: That's time you told your woman she's keeping you warm.
Speaker 3: You keep me warm.
Speaker 1: Woman. Yeah, if this is ecstasy and probably boys to men's,
Speaker 1: then you can't leave them out. Oh wow, I'm not
Speaker 1: going with the records. Everybody love. I think that's how you.
Speaker 2: Boys instantly getting something you want to get close to
Speaker 2: your woman.
Speaker 1: Put that on a woman you think might want to
Speaker 1: get close to you. Put boys and men put that
Speaker 1: put that boy to men. Yea, yeah, So that's that's
Speaker 1: my top.
Speaker 3: Okay, So Jay, let's do a voltron. Okay, let's do
Speaker 3: a volt tron. You know we need the vocal, the
Speaker 3: performance style, the styling, and the heart of the artists.
Speaker 3: Oh and and and I'm gonna add I'm gonna add
Speaker 3: one more for you, Okay. The mind that the intellect
Speaker 3: of the entity. Okay, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: So the vocal, the vocal, My vocal is is a
Speaker 1: hybrid Charlie Wilson and Marvin Gay. Ship. That's nasty. That's
Speaker 1: that's my hybrid of a voice. I think all R
Speaker 1: and B at some point gets to those two guys.
Speaker 1: Try to find your way with Marvin Gay and uh
Speaker 1: and Charlie Wilson. Okay, yet, I'm ready. That's heavy bike, uh,
Speaker 1: performance style, Michael Jackson, that's easy and then that was
Speaker 1: coming easy styling Prince mm hmm. Just think go ahead
Speaker 1: that I'm not ready to do the heel because that's
Speaker 1: just not me. And you know, I'm I'm taller than
Speaker 1: the average man, so I don't need a hell five
Speaker 1: to eleven is taller than the average man. Talk about
Speaker 1: I'm not, you know, not a giant. If I put
Speaker 1: on a heel, now, it's like, okay, nigga, you just
Speaker 1: want to be six three? You got a four inch heel?
Speaker 2: Jay?
Speaker 1: Wrong?
Speaker 2: We ain't never doing that, man. What is your doing?
Speaker 1: I tripping dancing?
Speaker 2: Ship his legs?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: The last week, sweep that leg.
Speaker 1: So prince the heart of the artist's passion, my other
Speaker 1: I got another hybrid mm hmm. James Brown and Rick
Speaker 1: James Ship to the Coldest Niggas Ship stump down, stumped down,
Speaker 1: and I'm int there, not playing, They're not fucking around.
Speaker 1: And then the mind, the mind Michael Jackson, he bought
Speaker 1: the Beatles, publishing the own half of Sony ATV diabolical, diabolical,
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson doesn't get the credit as a businessman that
Speaker 1: he deserves.
Speaker 3: Can't give you that credit because then you're going to
Speaker 3: you're going to follow that blueprint. Yes, yes, you're not
Speaker 3: allowed to follow that blueprint.
Speaker 1: When they're trying to buy the Marvel comic trying to
Speaker 1: buy everything, Michaels, trying by everything assets Michaels in Vegas.
Speaker 1: He was part of with Steve when assets Michael's something different. Bro,
Speaker 1: you guys just sing music. Don't worry about the assets,
Speaker 1: the publishing, intellectual the intellectual properties. Don't worry about that,
Speaker 1: ye see. So Michael Jackson is my business mind ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and his artist is crazy. Listen, and then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: run off my quick while you're playing, before you start
Speaker 1: playing Piano'm gonna run off my quick R and B
Speaker 1: groups since I originally come from a group Boyster Men,
Speaker 1: Josy Jackson. Five new addition, new addition, The Whispers. Those
Speaker 1: are my top five groups. The Whispers in there, those
Speaker 1: are my top five groups. Love him Diggers is so cold,
Speaker 1: It's so cold.
Speaker 2: We go to this cat A lot of this is
Speaker 2: our podcast.
Speaker 1: Right to Ship, Yes, sir, I have to pay.
Speaker 2: I might have to pay Ruben and and and Jacob overtime.
Speaker 2: Just charge to me cheap. I'll take. I'll take the.
Speaker 1: Okay, ship, all right, we go. I think you know
Speaker 1: what's coming up? Ship.
Speaker 4: I ain't saying no nick, no names. I ain't saying
Speaker 4: no names, saying no name.
Speaker 1: What you did, I ain't.
Speaker 4: Saying name.
Speaker 1: Jay? Yeah, this is actually segment you made up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they're gonna ask me my question. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Hope me some ship I ain't never heard. I got,
Speaker 2: I got story, give me some funny st stories.
Speaker 1: I got funny fucked up. Yeah, I'm never gonna do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you talk about.
Speaker 2: What this is Jays, This is Jay, this is Jazz,
Speaker 2: this is Jays. I ain't saying no names.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's my I ain't saying no names. I got
Speaker 1: a couple in here that I could just pull from.
Speaker 1: But we'll studies. Okay, okay, because cos I came on
Speaker 1: here and told multiples but whatever. So some years back,
Speaker 1: me and one of my guys, man, uh, and I
Speaker 1: don't go to a lot of concerts, but he's like, man,
Speaker 1: come come to this concert with me. I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, cool, cool, cool, cool man. You know some
Speaker 1: of the homies performing. Blah blah. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: So we drive down to Fresno. Drive to Fresno. Uh,
Speaker 1: Fresno is about two hours and a half hours, depending
Speaker 1: on how fast you're driving, for sure, Okay, give me three.
Speaker 1: So we go to the show and uh we stay
Speaker 1: to the end. We stay to the end, and you know,
Speaker 1: headed back to LA and one of the one of
Speaker 1: the people that are performing m or that performed that
Speaker 1: night because it's multiple artists on it, and one of
Speaker 1: the artists is like, hey, man, can I Jake, can
Speaker 1: I ride with you back to uh to l a
Speaker 1: truck a bus or something. But you know ship okay,
Speaker 1: because I had you know, I had a truck, and
Speaker 1: so I'm like cool, So next thing, I know, he walks,
Speaker 1: you know, over back to where they were to talk
Speaker 1: to someone else, and you know, I get in the
Speaker 1: car here like hit hit hit uh, hit the truck
Speaker 1: for me. Hit the back thing. It's a it's a
Speaker 1: it's an suv. It's like the extent I don't know
Speaker 1: why my ass had it I rented, you know, like
Speaker 1: the long bed. Uh yeah, one of the extend exhales.
Speaker 2: Right, So I hit the hit the things.
Speaker 1: He put his bag back there, and then he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: can she ride with us?
Speaker 4: Cool?
Speaker 1: I'm not tripping like you're the homie. I don't know
Speaker 1: you as well yet, but you know, it's it's all good.
Speaker 1: Can we can ride? And she looks like Fresno? She
Speaker 1: looks like Fresno. You know how like when you go
Speaker 1: to cities for.
Speaker 2: Every I could tell that she. I could tell that
Speaker 2: she that she didn't take the ride with she didn't fly.
Speaker 1: In with him. I just knew it. You know, you
Speaker 1: go to cities and you're like, oh, you look like
Speaker 1: your local. You look like Dallas you look I mean
Speaker 1: it's certain local looks of women just in different cities.
Speaker 2: They dress.
Speaker 1: Like a local, right, pretty girl? You know, hi, she
Speaker 1: hops in. She says hi, says hi to me and
Speaker 1: my homie, and we're riding. And now it's the end
Speaker 1: of the show. So it's maybe eleven twelve at night.
Speaker 1: Were on Highway five. You've driven Highway five. You've driven
Speaker 1: Highway five. It's pitch black, it's dark. So we rhying,
Speaker 1: were listening to music, being a homie. We talking and
Speaker 1: shit and next thing, WI hear some heavy naked that's whatever.
Speaker 1: I say. Okay, that's cool, that's cool, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, I'm not, I ain't driven. He wants
Speaker 1: some activities.
Speaker 2: It's cool.
Speaker 1: We got it. We got a long ride, man, you know.
Speaker 1: And then we hear like, oh, they're letting the sea back. Okay,
Speaker 1: but now I think they have climbed into the back.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at the at the thing like I
Speaker 1: just want to make sure to hit something. So I
Speaker 1: look and I just see the back of two people
Speaker 1: going over and letting down. I'm like, oh no, no,
Speaker 1: they're about to get to it. Nigga Ryan. For about
Speaker 1: another five now, it sounds like some different type of smacking,
Speaker 1: you know that you know, like you know, maybe a
Speaker 1: little filatio or something, a little you know, it's activities mash.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, getting bossed up, Okay, getting bossed up.
Speaker 1: But the next thing I hear is.
Speaker 2: I didn knock my motherfucker watch like this, and I'm like, no, no, man, no,
Speaker 2: And I look at the homie.
Speaker 4: And he's like yeah, it's yeah.
Speaker 1: And me and him are boat trying to figure out
Speaker 1: a way not to look at the like to look
Speaker 1: in the rear view.
Speaker 2: I don't want to see what's going on, but I
Speaker 2: can hear it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, man, we're driving, he's he is giving her
Speaker 1: the business man putting on the shows. He's putting on
Speaker 1: the show for me and the homie dog he put
Speaker 1: on the show. I have to get gas, bro, I've
Speaker 1: driven the fres now, now I got to drive home,
Speaker 1: honey gas. So I'm like, you know when you go
Speaker 1: to the gas station. N Yeah, I'm like, ship mmm,
Speaker 1: get off. Smacking stops a little bit because they could
Speaker 1: tell I'm getting off. The homie. Like we pull into
Speaker 1: the gas station, You're like, y'all want something from you
Speaker 1: want something from stove.
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, brodn't even wanted to shake your hair
Speaker 2: right now? What have you been doing? You want to
Speaker 2: get me a gatorade. No, and I'm still.
Speaker 1: Looking at the steer where I'm like, hey, broke, you
Speaker 1: gotta pump the gas.
Speaker 4: Bro, I'm just here.
Speaker 1: And get in. He got a couple of Gatorays, maybe
Speaker 1: a water, nigga. He goes to the gatorade. Down, nigga.
Speaker 1: We get another five minutes.
Speaker 2: He back to it.
Speaker 1: No way, he have to be on the pill man he.
Speaker 2: Had yeah, man, yeah, something last too long with the
Speaker 2: kids on.
Speaker 5: Now he had to be on a perk thirty you
Speaker 5: gotta be giving it a perky man, man.
Speaker 1: He knocked her down from the for the rest of
Speaker 1: the trip. Rest of the trip, y'all to listen to
Speaker 1: that for the rest of the trip. Turn the music
Speaker 1: up loud, turn the music up from the realm. Because
Speaker 1: I'm not a hater.
Speaker 3: Almost three albums, I'm not a hater. They might have
Speaker 3: took like a half a nap. Poundtown Baby, they got
Speaker 3: right back.
Speaker 2: That girl got that song right now, Pound.
Speaker 1: Town, Poundtown. I told her a new one. So then
Speaker 1: we get to La dropping them off at the hotel.
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, what you going.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I'm about to go upstairs and let
Speaker 1: her have it some more. Then she gotta find her
Speaker 1: way back to fress though. I said, if this ain't
Speaker 1: a oh my gosh, I ain't saying.
Speaker 2: Names, that's a great story, great story.
Speaker 1: I ain't saying on names. Wow, oh Poundtown. I don't
Speaker 1: know what to say?
Speaker 4: Should should I hate it?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: I felt like I was a It's like, you.
Speaker 3: Know what, maybe there should be some courtesy involved, like like, look,
Speaker 3: you know, appreciate you let me ride.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna probably dig this out, Like is that alright
Speaker 1: with you? Wipe up there? Y'all got wipes up there?
Speaker 3: Like y'all got any type of towel lets like should
Speaker 3: be stopping by a big towel. I don't know how
Speaker 3: that's gonna go. I feel like there should have been
Speaker 3: some type of maybe absolutely or you know, y'all want
Speaker 3: something to like some just just.
Speaker 4: Include everybody.
Speaker 3: I don't know, like some type of I would have
Speaker 3: turned to that, of course you would, you know. I'm
Speaker 3: just trying to think about it's gonna have been sensibly avoided.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, that's my that's my story, man, that's my
Speaker 3: saying that. That's a no timer bro downtown, that's a
Speaker 3: nold timer. That's yes, we alred to beat that one.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna that's right with or Lynx punching whoever in
Speaker 3: the face.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 2: That's what would you say after all the stuff that
Speaker 2: we've talked about, what would you say is your greatest accomplishment?
Speaker 1: My kids? Yeah? My kids? I uh, that's my ultimate
Speaker 1: sacrifice for everything, Like I could make way more money,
Speaker 1: do way more things. I never want to have that
Speaker 1: conversation to where they feel like I chose anything over
Speaker 1: them at this point. For me, at this stage of
Speaker 1: my life, I'm not sacrificing my time with them for anything,
Speaker 1: Like I'm going to figure out how to get to
Speaker 1: soccer practice and basketball practice and volleyball camp, graduation, take
Speaker 1: them to school, like I'm going to figure it out.
Speaker 1: Like I can't do it every single day and all
Speaker 1: day long, but I'm getting my time and so to me,
Speaker 1: that's that's my greatest accomplishment. I've made money, I've had success.
Speaker 1: Nothing felt like that. Yeah, nothing felt like you know,
Speaker 1: my kids being born. And you know then I be
Speaker 1: acting like I hit a three, Like yeah, bab how
Speaker 1: you do that again? See dad? If you just have
Speaker 1: to loosen your hips, Dad, you know how Naomi get
Speaker 1: out so just docing Naomi, well, my greatest accomplishment. But ja,
Speaker 1: we love you brother. That goes saying I love you man,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You know, in terms of this, I just think it's
Speaker 3: so much more, so much more left for you to do,
Speaker 3: so much more left for you to accomplish. And at
Speaker 3: this point very happy that we're on the road two.
Speaker 3: Putting the face with the name, putting the face to
Speaker 3: the music. You should understand, Yeah, this is why where
Speaker 3: are the authorities on all.
Speaker 1: Things R and B? Yeah? Yeah, And you know, I'm
Speaker 1: set out to put us in a space that nobody
Speaker 1: ever can do what we did. That's that's it. We
Speaker 1: managed each other, we both made records. We made an
Speaker 1: amazing podcast because I will say that our podcast, bro
Speaker 1: is a great joy for me. Like this, this this
Speaker 1: thing that we have, man, that that we've done along
Speaker 1: with Ruben and with Jacob and with Boh, this is
Speaker 1: this is amazing. I have a great time doing it
Speaker 1: and I would I would do it for free, but
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it for free. And you know,
Speaker 1: when when our when our first you know, our first
Speaker 1: deal is up, because we do got one deal in place,
Speaker 1: but when that first deal is up. Yeah, it's gonna
Speaker 1: get Beverly Hills here. I come here. I come like
Speaker 1: the way that sound, like the way that sound. I
Speaker 1: like Beverly Hills. I like Beverly. Fuck all them, getty communities,
Speaker 1: all of them. I need it.
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful thing how it all comes together.
Speaker 3: Not if when, not if, it's don't fucking happen. Just
Speaker 3: the work, you know what I'm saying. That's one thing
Speaker 3: that nobody can take from us.
Speaker 1: We do the work.
Speaker 3: You do the work, brother, and thank you, bro. That's
Speaker 3: that's what's gonna last. Work's gonna last hard working dedication
Speaker 3: is Floyd mad Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we do and we do it like yes
Speaker 1: that you know obviously everybody knows. I I get back
Speaker 1: to the numbers and the money. But this is for
Speaker 1: the culture. Like this thing that we do is for
Speaker 1: the culture. And we take that very serious and we
Speaker 1: want people to see it in that light. You gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta really love this ship absolutely to do it.
Speaker 1: We can really be invested in this thing that we
Speaker 1: you know, this R and B, this music business, because
Speaker 1: it also isn't just an R and B podcast. It's
Speaker 1: called R and B Money because that's the name of
Speaker 1: our company and we want to cement that in people's minds.
Speaker 1: But this is not just an R and B podcast.
Speaker 1: We talk about everything. We can talk to anybody and
Speaker 1: shout out to our senior Hall for coming to that
Speaker 1: dressing room at the Forum and telling us that we
Speaker 1: got something and that we can we can continue his legacy.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that. I'll never forget him and there
Speaker 1: telling jokes with our kids like I love you, Bro,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know you like that. But from
Speaker 1: that moment, you can do no wrong in my eyes,
Speaker 1: and ultimately I hope that we can we can continue
Speaker 1: to do this at this level and take this to
Speaker 1: you know, hire places and give people a safe place
Speaker 1: us to come and be themselves. Absolutely so, yeah, ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen. Uh, I am Tank. This is Bob.
Speaker 3: And this is the R and B Money Podcast, the
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Speaker 3: segment top eighty two, and in just reintroducing and introducing
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Speaker 1: I love a lot of work. Love you. I love you,
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