WEBVTT - Ep. 3: How Does the Defense Take the Next Step? | Jags A.M. Podcast 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:09.200 Week two of training camp starts today. You guys, Brian John, 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:10.320 what stood out to you in week one? 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:11.959 Good? 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:17.200 No you go? I'd say Calvin Riders overall, you couldn't 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:19.720 ignore him and looks like he's gonna make this team 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:21.440 significantly more explosive. 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:24.560 The receivers group as a total group, right, but in 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.800 particularly the big three Ridley Kirk and Jay. 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.120 Jones look like they're going to be sensational. 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:52.120 Welcome man, It's Monday, July thirty. First jags Am presented 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:54.080 by Carshield and here's a little look at practice or 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:57.600 getting their stretch on. It's week two of training camp. 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:00.440 Giving you the live look right now and else back 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:00.840 you guys. 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:02.000 Steel's good? 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:04.800 So is that great music? 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:07.240 Did you guys stretch before jag zam this morning? 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:08.080 Are you ready. 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:10.560 Stretch every morning? Stretching is a big part of my life. 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:13.440 The older you get, the more mobility works. 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:15.360 Very true. It's sad, but very very true. You guys 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:16.800 get your stretches in, stay young. 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.000 We had a full week last week. A lot of 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:21.679 I was just happy to be out there to see 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:23.520 I think, to see the guys back out there now, 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:26.080 they're gonna get the pads back on this week, so 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:29.039 things will get a little bit more real. What do 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:30.840 you kind of look for once the pads get back 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:33.039 on to you kind of shift your focus to defense, John, 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:33.959 is that what you kind of look at? 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:37.240 Well, not so much defense, but I shift my focus 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:39.200 to the one on one pass rush durils. It's the 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:42.480 I think for fans who come out, that may be 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:45.920 their favorite part of camp. It's the best time to 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:49.760 see offensive lineman work against defensive lineman. If Tony Biselli 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:53.240 were here, he starts saying, WHOAOA. It's really geared toward 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:55.920 the defense because it is geared to make the defensive 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:59.240 lineman look good. But if offensive linemen are playing well 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:03.480 during it, you can tell something. It's that's what you 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:08.160 look for the second week camp. To me, realistically, if 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:12.240 they're working goal line, if they're working run drills, you 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:15.000 see a little bit Brian bit so controlled. Yeah, I 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:17.840 mean and smartly. You have to do that. You're not 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:19.440 getting a feel for where there a guy is gonna 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.079 come up and make a huge hit on fourth and one. 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:23.240 Uh So, one on one pass rushes what I look for. 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:24.639 You know, this is where I become the old man 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:26.880 in the room and even though I'm not the oldest. 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:29.920 You remember you weren't here yet, you had not come 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:32.519 back yet, John from Indy. There was a moment where 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:36.040 they did Oklahoma here, right, and you would never do 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.239 that anymore, but oh four oh five, oh six, And 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:42.200 it was a great scene. I mean, the fans showed 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:44.480 up and they promoted the whole nine yards and it 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:46.280 was just that it's at the tone, it's at the 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:49.839 tempo right. We're gonna be a physical football team. That's 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:51.760 what I'm looking for, you know, even though it's gonna 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:54.520 be very controlled. I want to see the physicality of 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:56.480 the guys on the line, of the guys like Devin 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.160 Lloyd and Trayvon Walker that we're gonna talk about. I 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:04.240 want to see that tough minded football mentality that comes 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:05.200 only from Pats. 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:08.040 Treyvon is definitely gonna be a point of focus for everybody. 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:10.760 Mike Caldwell spoke to us last week and he said, 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:14.200 already he's seeing more confidence from Trayvon when he's out 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:14.680 on the field. 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:18.560 You can see the confidence in him the way he 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:22.400 moves around the field, the way he's more vocal making checks, 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:26.079 and he just understands now that I'm the guy. I'm 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.920 the number one pick, but I'm also Trayvon. I'm gonna 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:32.440 be Trayvon on the field, and my Trayvon is good 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:35.600 enough for the Jacks because we trust in his ability 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:37.800 and it's going to show no pay dividends for us. 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:40.640 I think that's an interesting, interesting way of saying it, 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:42.800 because he's more confident, but he's himself, which is exactly 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:44.000 what you want him to be, and you want him 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.400 to feel comfortable enough to be himself. 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:47.440 Just the best version of that. 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:51.040 Right, What are you hoping or looking for in that 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.440 first week, Brian, to kind of see out of him 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:54.640 that maybe he didn't see last year. 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:57.600 I'd love to see how they're going to use him, 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:00.120 because there's been talk about him having his hand on 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:02.960 the ground more this year because he excelled in third 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:05.840 down situations last year. And I think we're going to 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:09.200 see some and there's a process to integrate Devin Lloyd 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.760 and where he fits maybe on the strong side. I 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:13.840 don't think we're seeen an that until the regular season comes. 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:15.760 I like what I see the. 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:22.120 Same thing I saw last year, big, long, powerful, explosive athletic. 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:25.520 I think he's going to be a great player, And 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:28.320 I know people are still questioning that, but I can't help. 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:32.600 But having seen the show that you put together and 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:34.640 knowing the young man like I got to know him 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:36.640 last year, I don't think there's any doubt he's going 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:37.599 to be a terrific player. 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:41.480 Yeah, I think you want to see some suddenness and 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:49.280 some signs that he's more move for the right word, 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.159 not in the moment, but just more comfortable in the 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.600 defense and moving quicker. So I don't know that you 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.040 necessarily see it in practice. I like to see one 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.000 or two plays where you go, Okay, Wow, there it is. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.440 I don't know that Trayvon is ever going to be 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:07.919 a fifteen sack guy. I am as sure as I 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:10.279 can be that he's going to be a very very 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:13.880 good player and be able to do special things. I 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.600 just don't know if the stats are going to add up, 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.200 you know, So am I looking for one on one 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:21.600 pass rush out of him. I'd love to see him 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:23.120 all of a sudden, why this is a great sack guy. 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:25.960 I don't know if he's going to stand out in 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.040 that sort of drill, but I think he will have 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.839 moments this week where you say, Okay, he's getting it there. 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:34.560 It is, there's the quicker step, sort of like cop 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:36.760 talk about Devin Lloyd last week, I think we'll see 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:39.559 some of those same recognition improvement out of Trayvon. 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:40.560 We talked about it last week. 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:42.800 He made those two plays, one in each of the 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:46.960 Titans games, that swung the game and created the division 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.359 title and the playoffs. I'm going to keep a running 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:53.279 title tally of plays that he makes this year that 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:55.479 don't show up in the stats column, that aren't sacks, 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:58.839 that changed the direction of the game, and at the 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.440 end of the year, we'll decide, you know, was he 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:03.920 impactful or not based on that nut sacks. 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.040 Trayvon's play will have a big impact on how this 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:09.200 defensive defense does as a whole, even though he's just 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.279 a second year player. We talked to Rashaon Jenkins, one 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.000 of the veterans on this team. He's expecting very good 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:15.000 things from the d this year. 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.520 Man, that we're top five defense in the league and 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.200 that's and that's just real. Uh, you know, I feel 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:23.200 like we put some good things on film last year, 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.359 but this year is just being is about being more consistent. 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:27.160 Uh. 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:29.680 We had some you know, we had some highs we 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:31.800 had some lows, but I don't want to fall two 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.440 and seven like we did last year. Just come out 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:37.120 here and not play behind the eight ball. Let's just 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.599 let's get things going early and have people have to 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:40.320 catch up to us. 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.080 Now, Rashaan Ekzude's confidence so no surprise there that he 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:45.760 thinks they're going to be a top five defense. 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:47.520 John, you were there for this conversation. 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.000 What does the team what is the team going to 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:53.040 be able to do if they do play with leads, 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:55.119 you know, as he mentioned, and they're not playing behind 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:57.240 the eight ball. What is this defense able to do 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.520 when they have that kind of situation in a game. 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:03.120 Well, it should help the pass rushers dramatically because you're 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.800 it's very hard to be a great sack guy if 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.120 the other team is always in third and two and 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.640 if they are always ten points ahead, because then they 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:17.120 don't have to hold sacks come when quarterbacks have to 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:20.160 hold the ball on third and eight or they have 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.720 to they have to make plays because they're desperate. So 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:26.560 it should help the pass rush immeasurably. That to me, 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:28.600 I think is going to be the biggest factor in 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:32.120 making this a better pass rush. I think Josh Allen 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.760 and Trayvon Walker are very capable. If they get in situations, 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:39.960 They're both capable of being pressure sack guy. I mean 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.560 not pressure the quarterback. Guys might put a sack number 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.920 on it, but I think that's where it'll help. I 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.040 think the key for this defense, Brian is still though 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:53.880 with this group. I'm not as concerned if they're a 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:57.200 top five defense, but I think they have to remain 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.920 a top five turnover creating defense, which they were last year. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.800 I saw a shirt that said think takeaways yeah on 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:04.360 somebody the other day, and that's the key. And I 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:06.800 want to add a name to the pass rush and 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.360 it's not Kaylevon Chason. It's Devin Lloyd. He had eight 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:11.720 sacks in his last year at Utah and was the 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.360 college Defensive Player of the year. He's a very talented 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.400 pass rusher and you can use that strong side linebacker 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.080 or whatever they call the position that he eventually plays 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:22.280 and use him in the pass rush as well, so 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:24.680 it gives them the added dimension. I think the key 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.400 to this defense this year is the development of those 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:30.760 second year players, those two in particular and Chad Muma 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:33.320 throw him in there because he's a big rangy guy 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:36.120 who can stuff the run and play in coverage as well. 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:39.199 There is a there's a lot of reason for optimism 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:40.199 with the defense. 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:42.000 Top five. 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.320 It's like sack numbers are rushing yards. Who cares as 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:46.920 long as you're effective and get the job done. 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:52.280 Conceptually, for this defense and for this franchise, the storyline 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.439 that Brian just mentioned, I think is key to the 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:57.720 four or five year arc of this franchise. If you will, 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:04.360 when you draft two front seven players in the first round, 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:06.640 one of the number one overall and then trade up 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:10.240 for the other guy in year two, they are supposed 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.679 to be a reason why you're a really good team. Yes, 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:15.520 that's what is on those guys this year. 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:17.840 We'll talk a little more about that coming up, because 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:19.439 obviously a ton of eyes are gonna be on the 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:21.079 defense this coming year. Would you want to give a 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:23.280 little love to the offense? And John you were a 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:25.880 predictor of this as well as Evan Ingram that Garrett 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:28.520 Print's had a great week last week and three touchdown catches. 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:29.600 He's showing out. 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.520 Evan Ingram went to bat and said, he's really showed 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:34.480 off so far and he feels like he's a perfect 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:35.920 fit for Doug Peterson's offense. 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:40.400 He's a really talented player. He's a very fluid athlete, 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.240 and you know, he's a tight end that is is 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:46.680 you know, made for Doug's offense. So just a growth 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:48.800 I've seen in him, even just him now he's he's 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:50.840 he's coaching up guys in the meeting room, you know, 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.960 better than I think I could. So I'm really proud 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:55.520 of the steps he's taken. And he's still got a 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.880 lot of work to do, but the opportunity is as 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:02.000 fingertips and I think though, I'm very, very excited about 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:04.800 his future, his potential, you know, playing with him and 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:06.240 you know him being able to learn from me, and 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:08.520 honestly I can probably learn from some things from him too. 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:10.959 We talk a lot about the wide receivers. The tight 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:14.000 end room is pretty talented as well. Brian, is this 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:15.439 going to be a difficult decision when it comes to 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:15.800 cut time? 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:16.200 Uh? 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:20.319 No, they're talented. I don't know that they're that deep, right, 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:22.080 I mean, I think Prince is a guy who, based 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:23.520 on last week, absolutely makes it. 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:24.920 You know a newsflash. 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.640 Sometimes when we talk on these shows, words come out 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:29.720 of our mouths and we think, oh, maybe I shouldn't 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:31.720 have said that. So last week we were talking about 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:33.640 Prince and I said, I think he's a terrific prospect. 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:35.480 And then as I thought about it, I thought, look, terrific, 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:38.839 that's probably too strong. And yet he had a terrific 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:40.720 week last week. I mean, he made a couple of plays, 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:42.920 and I thought, all right, I'll live with that. I 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:46.040 do think he's one of those guys that will rise 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:49.679 through this undrafted rookie you know, time on the practice squad. 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.679 He's got everything you want. He is tall, he's at 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.400 the height, he's long. He appears to have that innate 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.319 sense that you want from those those move tight ends 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.360 of where to get open. I don't think it'll be 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:05.560 a tough cut. I think that there's plenty of talent 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:06.000 in that room. 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:06.199 Though. 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:07.920 Yeah, I think you'll keep four tight ends, and I 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:12.439 think is Prince, Strange, Ferrell and Ingram, so uh, I 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.880 don't think it'll be a very hard decision. Uh. In 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:19.559 terms of fifty three, Prince is interesting. There's a limit 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:22.320 to what you can tell in unpadded work, and even 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:24.600 a limit sometimes what you can tell in practice. But 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.520 there are some positions that you can tell a lot 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.520 and some plays you can tell a lot. Prince was 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:35.360 outstanding last week in short area, the red zone, getting open, 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:39.839 catching balls that on plays that felt real if you will, 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.480 you know, and they felt like they could happen in games. 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:44.440 And he had three touchdowns on plays like that, and 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:48.120 they were all from Trevor Lawrence, which says something by 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:51.320 the way, yeah, and so the two can he do 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.160 that five times this year? 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:55.960 If he does, you're static. One more thought on him. 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:59.160 He plays bigger than he is. You could just see 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.120 the way and again they're not pads, but the way 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:04.360 he used his height and his length as leverage against 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:07.679 smaller defensive backs and then around linebackers to reach and 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:08.319 make plays. 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:10.480 He plays bigger than he is. 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:13.000 I like that. Heated stuff last week that you could 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.320 see him doing in games, and that's what you want. 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:16.520 Mordacum. 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:18.560 We'll keep an eye on that, of course, and coming 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:20.000 up we're going to talk a little bit more about 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.880 that defense, which players we think are under the most 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.959 pressure for the upcoming season. 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Practice just getting underway and the fans, 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:30.720 they've been out. 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:31.400 In full force. 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.000 You love in that new facility. In the shade is 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:35.160 you walked up there by the way. 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:38.479 That's beautiful, not just beautiful, but there is a legitimate 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:40.880 effect of those fans. You have the oh yeah, it's 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.320 actually shade, and the fans move air through there. So 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.520 even on a day where it's dead, calm, and hot. 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:48.600 That's going to be a comfortable place for people to 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:49.280 watch practice. 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.280 If you can get tickets, you should come out. There 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.560 have been fans lined up every morning I've gotten here 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.800 at seven plus am. I saw some people tailgating this 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:58.320 morning in Bortles, Jersey. 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:02.280 Seven plus is at like seven fifty nine or seven 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:04.040 plus is just a little wager room. 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:05.880 Yeah, that's a little past seven. 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:08.480 Let's talk about this defense. They're putting the pads on 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.040 this week, so hopefully we'll see a little bit more 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:13.400 from them. Everybody's talking about the defense because we compliment 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:17.200 the offense so much. Who are some specific names that 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:19.720 we think will be under pressure this season. We've talked 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.920 about it as a whole, but who's in particular players 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:24.440 that you're looking at. They need to have a big 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:25.960 training camp and a big start to the year. 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.720 Well, I'll go with Devin Lloyd and I have extolled 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.160 the virtues of his talent here since we started the 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.840 show back up. And it's not because there's pressure from 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:37.040 the outside right, most of that pressure is on forty four, 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:41.440 but inside the building there is a strong sense of expectation. 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:43.960 They drafted him at the bottom of the first round, 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.280 they moved back up into the first round to take 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:52.240 him because he was a sack, strip, fumble, recover, touchdown, interception, 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.360 playmaking linebacker. And last year he got off to a 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:58.160 great start, was the Rookie of the Month, defensive Rookie 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:00.920 of the Month in September, and then it fell off. 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.440 Teams figured out what he knew, what he didn't and 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:05.800 how to really challenge him, and it took him all 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:09.200 season to find a groove. The expectation and the pressure 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:11.200 is that he gets off to a fast start and 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.800 maintains it throughout the course of the season. We talked 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.000 about some tweaks to the defense that might put him 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.120 in more of a playmaking role. Guaranteed they've done that, 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:21.520 and so he's going to have to step up and 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.360 do that because John alluded to it when we were 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.640 in the last segment. These are the two guys that 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.120 will define your defense for the next era, for the 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:30.320 next five, six, seven years. 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.280 Yeah, they should, especially a big time players. I think 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:38.640 Devin's going to be fine because from what everything that 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:43.640 ailed him last year was stuff that should improve from experience. 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:46.840 When he was around the ball, he made the play. 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:52.880 He has tremendous ability once he is in position, the 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:57.560 ball comes to his hands. So he had problems with 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:03.600 some recognition, Payen, etc. So there's no reason to think 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:06.119 that that won't improve because that, by definition, is what 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:08.640 improves with experience. I think he's gonna be fine. I'm 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:13.560 gonna go with Josh Allen, and it's hard because him 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:16.560 and Trayvon are so interchangeable in terms of the pressure 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.760 and the expectations. They are the guys that you know, 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:23.000 top ten draft picks supposed to be elite, supposed to 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.840 be what you've built around. When you have drafted top 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:29.919 ten players at outside the linebacker, you expect to be 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:34.119 a disruptive, dominant defense. So that's where the pressure is. 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:39.240 Go with Josh a little bit because I think on himself. 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:42.080 You know, I've always thought maybe one of the things 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:46.560 that I hold him back. Whatever he wants it so bad, Brian, 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:50.760 He's he talks about it once it thinks about it, 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.760 is willing to talk about with the media. I think 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:56.840 he's a better player than like people give him. 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:58.760 Credit for what didn't he lead the league last year 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:00.760 in effectiveness pass rushes. 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:02.160 He just didn't finish. 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:04.760 That number that everybody wants. It's his sacks is important 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:09.240 in there, but everything else. I've always said he's the 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.800 guy when you see the trainers coming out, He's the 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:15.480 one guy on defense that I hope it's not for 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:17.879 the jack sake because I think he's the most irreplaceable player. 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:21.399 Tyson Campbell probably fits that too. But there's pressure on him. 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:25.120 He's a pass rusher, he's a contract year, and he's 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.800 going to be judged on sack numbers, fairly or unfairly. 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.000 He's a pass rusher, he's a good one. He's going 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.639 to get paid, whether it's here or whether it's somewhere 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:34.040 in the league. He's going to get a check. 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:34.760 He knows this. 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:38.240 I don't think he feels the pressure as much except John. 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.200 He wanted to be here. Yeah, this is his home. 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:42.399 He fits here. 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:45.080 He and his family have done an amazing job at 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:48.280 getting integrated into this community and people love him, and 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:50.440 he would like it to be here with this team 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.640