1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, 3 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: and there's Chuck and Jerry's over there wandering around in 4 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: circles and this is Stuff you should know, the podcast 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: about Church of the SubGenius at Long Last. When did 6 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: you become acquainted with the Church of the SubGenius Um. 7 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: I had a group of friends that walked on the 8 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: otter side of life, darker side of life, less, you know, 9 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: less serious side of life. I'm not sure. Um in 10 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: the nineties, and there was one guy who was big 11 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: time into the Church of the SubGenius Um. What happens right, Yeah, 12 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: that was my first introduction. Then I actually came across 13 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: UM the Hour of Slack on Georgia Tech Student Radio 14 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: once uh in the early two thousands and radio I 15 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: never got into it though. Are you actually like a 16 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: secret sub GENII? No, the same as you. I had 17 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: a friend in college, a very influential friend actually, who 18 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: turned me onto a lot of different things as I 19 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: was just getting into college and exploring different ways of 20 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: life and thought patterns and uh and sure sticks my 21 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: buddy Jason. He turned me onto a lot of things 22 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: in life and I've been able to tell him so, 23 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: which is always a nice thing. And Bob Dobbs in 24 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: the Church of sub Genius was one of them. Yeah yeah, 25 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: And like if you might not be utterly familiar with 26 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: the Church of the sub Genius, but I bet there's 27 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: a pretty good chance that a lot of stuff you 28 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: should know listeners are at least familiar with it without 29 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: even being fully aware of what it is. But there's 30 00:01:55,160 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: a very very famous, uh picture of a clean cut, 31 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: mid century middle aged dude with a pipe clenched in 32 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: his teeth and almost like a um Patrick Bateman psychotic 33 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: look on his face, like almost Bateman meets word exactly, Yes, Chuck, 34 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's ever put it better than that. 35 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: And that is Jr. Bob Dobbs, who is the High 36 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: Profit of the Church of the SubGenius. And he has 37 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: popped up everywhere from the background. At Peebe's Playhouse, there 38 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: was a Sublime record that had him on there. Um Like, 39 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: he shows up all over the place. It's almost like 40 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: code um And so you probably have seen it, even 41 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: if you're not familiar with the Church of the SubGenius. 42 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: That's called the Dobb's Head right, gathered from clip art, 43 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: which we will see. It's kind of one of the 44 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: fun in jokes about a pseudo religion, a satire and 45 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,399 Speaker 1: parity of religion, and it's you know, it was formed 46 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: by two guys. We'll get into the history, but I 47 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: have a sort of a favorite definition, and I know 48 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: you do, and maybe we'll just read both of them. 49 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: Mind comes from Steve Davis of the Austin Chronicle and 50 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: he said this in the late seventies. The Church of 51 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: the SubGenius was intended as a dogmatic antidote to a 52 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: re emergent mediocrity, embracing an aesthetic and confluence with evolving 53 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: new wave sensibilities and tropes in music, film, and pop culture. 54 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: It was an end joke with a half serious punchline. 55 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: Very nice. That was great And what at yours was 56 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: from Ed the Grabster himself. People kind of put it nicely, 57 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: also from the Austin Chronicle. Yeah, so Ed said that 58 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: it's that the best way to explain to the church 59 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: is it is a joke. But to get the joke 60 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: you have to see that it isn't really a joke 61 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: at all, but it's actually getting at harrowing truths about 62 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: the world, not bad, ed not bad. So the whole 63 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: thing pretty scared at a little bit. I think so too. 64 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: It's hilarious and cute, but the whole thing is that 65 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: it is a parody of a religion, a parody of 66 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: a cult, a UFO sex cult, if you want to 67 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: get technical. Um it's a it's an absurdest in joke. 68 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: And the whole thing is one big in joke made 69 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: up of like millions of tiny little in jokes that 70 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: anybody in the church can kind of generate and create. 71 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: But it's all kind of hung on the skeleton of 72 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: this um, this doctrine of the prophet Bob Dobbs, who 73 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: is this the world's greatest salesman, um, who is basically 74 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: carrying out the will of an alien god who may 75 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: or may not love us or the subgenia as they're 76 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: called in plural, And like either it sucks you in 77 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: immediately and you're like, I want to know more about 78 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: this because this is hilarious or repulses you because it 79 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: is making fun of everything that you hold. Dear, there's 80 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: not a lot of middle ground, although I would count 81 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: myself as somebody in the middle ground to tell you 82 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: the truth. That was so awesome, Chuck, nicely done. Yeah, 83 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: what I just did there. And you'll see this at 84 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: a lot if you watch the documentary, if you see 85 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: any YouTube footage of people from the sub Genius Church 86 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: hanging out at one of their uh de vivals. They 87 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: don't call them revivals and call them de vivals. They 88 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: will do this thing where they kind of juggle their 89 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: throat with their hand as they sort of did this 90 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: weird chant. And I didn't find much information on that specifically, 91 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: but I did see them doing it all over the place. Well, 92 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: it is a huge, huge rabbit hole, and as we'll see, 93 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: like some people accidentally take it seriously and that's not 94 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: the right thing to do at all. That is, that 95 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: is a um that is an mentally unsound thing to do. 96 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: That's not what the intention is or anything like that. 97 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: The intention is is to basically point out how just 98 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: warped our consumer culture is. And it made a lot 99 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: more sense than the eighties before our culture ended up 100 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: becoming the parody that the Church of the SubGenius was 101 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: was carrying out. Yeah, it had. It had a very 102 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: mad magazine vibe. Uh. You know something I know that 103 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: you and I both grew up loving and cherishing, and 104 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: I could see, like, you know, if if that's something 105 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: as mainstream as you want to liken it too to 106 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: help people understand. It's almost as if Mad Magazine started 107 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: a religion and ALFREDY Newman was the God and it 108 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:40,239 Speaker 1: was all just one big joke about consumer culture and uh, 109 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: and then if people end up taking it seriously, you 110 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: can really see why, like that would be a very 111 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: strange thing, Like, of course ALFREDY Newman is not God, 112 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: and of course Bob Dobbs is not God or the prophet. 113 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: But uh, these two guys founded this this kind of 114 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: funny joke religion in the late nineteen seventies because they 115 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: were like my into dudes, and what started as a 116 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: joke grew into a I guess a mini phenomenon. I 117 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: don't know, man, I think it's a major phenomenon. I 118 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: would say major as far as cult, classic or cult 119 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: phenomena go. And also we should also, I think we 120 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: should preface all this, if it's not too late, to 121 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: all of the Church of the Subgenious members out there, 122 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: past and present, um and future. Um. This is one 123 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: of those things where like if you explain what makes 124 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: something funny. It is like, that's the least funny thing 125 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: you can do. So if we trapes into that just 126 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,559 Speaker 1: by virtue of explaining things, we're sorry. I know, because 127 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: it is a fun kind of cool thing that was 128 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: created for people that felt like they were on the 129 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: outside of things, for for outcasts and weirdos who didn't 130 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: fit in necessarily. They found common ground before the Internet 131 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: by writing letters back and forth to each other. They 132 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: kind of had the Internet through pin and paper in 133 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: these d vivals. And we have Douglas st Clair Smith 134 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: and Steve Wilcox to thank for this. Yeah, the original 135 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: outsider weirdos. That's right. Uh, you may not know him 136 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: by that name. If you're familiar with the Church of 137 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: the SubGenius, you know them as Ivan Stang and Philo Drummond. 138 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: And these were two guys, like I said, who were 139 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: Uh they were in Texas. I think Philo grew up 140 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: in a religious family but uh and had a really 141 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 1: good childhood. It wasn't some like stifling situation, but he 142 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: was always sort of didn't quite fit in and felt 143 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: like the outsider at school and was seeking outsider culture. 144 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: And whereas Uh Staying was I think he described himself 145 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: in the documentary as secular humanist scientists. In his upbringing, 146 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: um super liberal family, whereas uh, well I'll keep on 147 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: to Colin Wilcox, whereas Philos was um more conservative to 148 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: be sure. But they found common ground when a friend 149 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: introduced them. They said, you both love comic books, you 150 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: both love Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart. Get together and 151 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: you might have a new friend. And they were immediate friends. Yeah. Yeah, 152 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: they definitely hit it off, in part also because they 153 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: both kind of just felt like they didn't really fit 154 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: into Dallas, Texas at the time. That help. One of 155 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: the other things they really had in common was a 156 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: love of, like earnest bona fide extremist pamphlets, right, they're fun, Yeah, 157 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: whether it's extremist religious groups, extremists like um, you know, uh, 158 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: like white supremacist groups, which I'm sure Dallas, Texas in 159 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: the seventies had quite a bit of like anybody who 160 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: was just kind of off the rails and was trying 161 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: to recruit other people to be off the rails with them, 162 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: and and made a pamphlet about that. These guys would 163 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: collect it and relish it, and um. That also included 164 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: remember the jack Ship tracks in the Satanic Panic episode. 165 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: They were huge into that. I had a huge influence 166 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: on them as well, those comic strips about how somebody 167 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: you know, um had sex before marriage and now they 168 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: were burning in hell kind of stuff like that. They 169 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: took all these things together and they kind of use 170 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: them as the basis for this outlook on the world, 171 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: which is humans are totally nuts in a lot of ways, 172 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: and then even more than that, they can be dangerously 173 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: nuts when they try to foist or impose their own 174 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 1: crazy thoughts onto you and make you behave a certain 175 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: way because of their crazy thoughts. That that's the danger 176 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: that comes out of modern life. And I think that's 177 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: one of the things that really stuck out to them 178 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: and the thing that drove them to kind of kind 179 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: of try to fight that however they could. Yeah, I 180 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 1: have to say I see the appeal of what they did, because, uh, 181 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: if you remember a few years ago, this is quite 182 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 1: a few years ago now, our buddy Joe Randazzo and 183 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: I wrote a TV pilot together about a um a 184 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: scientology esque religion, and it never went anywhere. We even 185 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: had a few pitch meetings and nothing happened with it. 186 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: But in writing that script, we had to create our 187 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: own religion for that pilot. And you can't just say, well, 188 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: let's just call it this and it's whatever, like you 189 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: have to really kind of explore the tenants of it 190 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: and make it a real thing. And we did that, 191 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 1: and I made a pamphlet. Joe and I made it together, 192 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: and I kind of put it together, and we brought 193 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: the pamphlet to the pitch meetings and it I'll send 194 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: you one sometime. It's really funny. Our our religion was 195 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: called bin Riism, and it was like numbers, this numbers 196 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: based kind of scientology thing. But it was so much fun. 197 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: And all I could think about when these two guys 198 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: got together in nineteen nine and hatch this idea was, Yeah, 199 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: it's a lot of fun to create a phony religion, 200 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 1: even for a screenplay. Yeah, And they were deaf to 201 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: really inspired by um l Ron Hubbard and his success 202 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: at basically founding scientology based on some science fiction ideas 203 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: that he had and then becoming rich. There was a 204 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: famous quote attributed to L. Ron Hubbard that you can't 205 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: get rich writing science fiction, but you can get rich 206 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: by writing or by founding your own religion and so 207 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: so we should be really careful here. They weren't inspired 208 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: by l Ron Hubbard in the sense like they wanted 209 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: to take advantage of people. I think they were more 210 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: fascinated by the fact that there are plenty of people 211 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: out there who will buy into this, and I think 212 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: they kind of wanted to explore that, not not in 213 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: any kind of like it's weird, it's the whole thing 214 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,479 Speaker 1: is kind of a cynical It comes from a cynical 215 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: place where you just have to be cynical to to 216 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: be to be critical enough of society to see it 217 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: for what it is. But it's also like a very 218 00:12:55,520 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: humanist group as well, where like they're not trying to 219 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: hurt you, they're not trying to exploit you. They definitely 220 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: come off as superior a lot of times, especially if 221 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: you're not in on the joke, because that makes you, 222 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: by definition, part of the butt of the joke. Yes, 223 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: but for the most part, they're not. They're not like 224 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: a group of people who like hate or despise other people. 225 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 1: I think they're fascinated by the fact that that kind 226 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: of stuff exists, and they're also fascinated by just how 227 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: um conformist the average person is without even thinking about it. Um. 228 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: So uh, they were fascinated, I guess, is the way 229 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: to put it. By l Ron Hubbard and his success 230 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: with Scientology. And there was another quote that was attributed 231 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: to Staying. I don't know if it was in the 232 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: documentary that came out recently or not, but he basically said, 233 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: if we figured that if Jim Jones can get nine 234 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: people they kill themselves, we could get nine people to 235 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: send us a dollar. And they kind of wanted to 236 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: toy around with that and see, you know if that 237 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: was the case, not to exploit people, but just to 238 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: kind of see I think if there was anybody else 239 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: out there, they're kind of shouting into the wilderness. And 240 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: the way that you told them that you were out 241 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 1: there was to mail in a dollar and say, give 242 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: some of your pamphlet. Yeah, and here's the deal. Staying 243 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: it looks like, by all accounts, is generally made his 244 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: living doing this over the year. He's he's not gotten rich. 245 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: It's not a Scientology thing where it's like and send 246 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: me a hundred more dollars and we'll give you another thing. 247 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: It's really just sort of mail us some money and 248 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: we'll send you our comedy goods in the mail. Yeah. Like, 249 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: and he still stuff's envelopes and he still sends pamphlets 250 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: and CDs and literature today. It's like, you know, it's 251 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: like paying for a Mad magazine or something, but it's 252 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: just done from this guy's house. Yeah. I also get 253 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: the impression that the far and away the vast majority 254 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: of the people who understand the Church of SubGenius for 255 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: what it is when they send money, and they're sending 256 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: it out of like gratitude for what you're staying and 257 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: um Philo have built together. That's that's what it is. 258 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: They're not being duped in any way. They're in on 259 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: the joke. They're just showing their support by um shoveling 260 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: money towards those guys. All right, I think that is 261 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: a great preamble. You're either turning off your Hi Fi 262 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: system now, or you're or you're intrigued by what's to come, 263 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about uh the night at all hatched 264 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: right after this. Alright, so these guys are hanging out, 265 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: it's they didn't have I think Philo was the one. 266 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: He always had a pretty decent job. He kind of 267 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: had a okay career, and he always wanted to There 268 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: were times where he kind of dropped in and out 269 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: of his involvement because he did have a decent career, 270 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: but he always supported it, whereas Staying was all in 271 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: from the beginning and didn't have a ton of prospects 272 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: for work. But they were hanging out and they were 273 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: like kind of wondering why they, you know, didn't have 274 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: more and why they weren't as successful as they thought 275 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: they should be, and Staying said, you know, we aren't geniuses. 276 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: You know, we must be subgeniuses. And he says in 277 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: the documentary he was like, that's the moment. It was 278 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: literally like a lightning bolt out of the sky that 279 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: hatched this idea. So they kind of took all their 280 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: interests and all these weird pamphlets and weird UFO cults 281 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: and pseudo religions and New Age beliefs, and they made 282 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: the original pamphlet. Uh spent sixty dollars on this original pamphlet, 283 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: and we're just leaving him at dry cleaners and stuff 284 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: like that until Stag's wife got mad and she was like, 285 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: that's a lot of money for us. At least send 286 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: this to some publishers and see if you can do 287 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: something with this. So they sent it to every publisher 288 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: under the sun and got rejected by every every publisher 289 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: under the sun. But um, it's pretty funny that later 290 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: they did end up having a fairly successful book. But 291 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: early on book publishers didn't know what to do with 292 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: these guys. Yeah, and you can understand why if you've 293 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: ever seen what's called pamphlet number one now, which is 294 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: part of the church doctrine. This is like the Sacred Writings. 295 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: The The idea is that Um Ivan Stang is the 296 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: sacred scribe who took down the words of Bob Dobbs. 297 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: And by the way, Bob Dobbs, the Bob is always 298 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: in quotes, not just when you say j R. Bob Dobbs, 299 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: like even if you say Bob Dobbs or even just Bob, 300 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: it's always in quotes. That's how you write his name. Um. 301 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: And that Bob was getting his divine inspiration from Jehovah one, 302 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: that alien overlord that that runs earth. Um. And this 303 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: was kind of like the conceit of the pamphlet, and 304 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: the front of the pamphlet said things like the world 305 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: ends tomorrow, and you may die in all caps. Um 306 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: it asked, Uh, do people think you're strange? Do you? Um? 307 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: I know, I love that one. There was another one 308 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: that said eternal salvation or triple your money back. So like, 309 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: these are the things on like on and in the pamphlet, 310 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: and they're they're going around to publishers being like, hey, 311 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: you want to you want to give us some money 312 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: for this, So of course everybody said no. The most 313 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: astounding thing is that eventually somebody actually said yes, I 314 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: think McGraw hill. Yeah. And then this was much later 315 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: when they finally did get their book published, after they 316 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: had quite a following and the sort of writing was 317 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: on the wall with these, you know, fairly successful gatherings 318 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: in live shows. But um, yeah, the book came later. 319 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: Early on they got together and started, uh, just as 320 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: buddies getting on the CB radio and doing and this again, 321 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: this was like you would get on the internet today. 322 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: By then it was the CB and they would do 323 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: these sort of parody voices. Um basically hatched what was 324 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: the beginnings of what would end up being the hour 325 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: of Slack radio show, which is ninety minutes long. Part 326 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: of the joke, and people started hollering back at them. 327 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: He said they were trolls. Before they were trolls, you 328 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: were kind of trolling people on the c B. And 329 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: then other people would troll back and call them, uh, pinks. 330 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: And that's where the notion of pinks or pink boys 331 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: came up. And pink boys they kind of flipped it. 332 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: In the church of the SubGenius. Pink boys are the others. 333 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: They're the squares. They're the ones who just follow along 334 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: and go to their nine to five job and spend 335 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: their consumer money and you know, uh and on catalog 336 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: items and anyone else outside is a pink or a 337 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: pink boy. Yes, but but there's a distinction between uh, say, 338 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: people like you and I. An actual died in the 339 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: little pink ball ways, the kind of the like middle 340 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: manager types who are like not only fully bought into 341 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: the con, the great con that's going on, they actually 342 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: like like almost violently defended in its existence. And it's 343 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: it's rightness. Um, those are those are pinks. There are 344 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: reparable There's nothing that's ever going to help them, and 345 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: they're genuine humans. Now, there are plenty of sub genii 346 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: out there who don't know their subgenii they haven't been 347 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: exposed to the church, they've never seen a Dob's head. 348 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: Maybe whatever reason, they're they're not aware that they're a 349 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: SubGenius yet. And if you're a true SubGenius, then you 350 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: have YETI blood coursing through your veins. Now, if you're 351 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: an actual SubGenius, that means that you are a of 352 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: YETI heritage. Who is who has basically become aware of 353 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 1: the teachings of Bob and are now actively um working 354 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: against the conspiracy and exploiting pink Boys anytime you get 355 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: a chance, because again, they're they're hopeless. They're they're never 356 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: going to be converted because they don't have any YETI 357 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: blood in them, right. Uh. And to reiterate, I don't 358 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: know if I kind of just tossed it off earlier, 359 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: but Bob Dobbs is a piece of clip art. Literally, 360 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: that face that you see was a piece of clip 361 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 1: art from clip art catalog. And they loved clip art 362 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: because it was free, and a lot of their early 363 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: stuff was just collage from clip art that they had found. 364 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: And this was from a clip art catalog. And now 365 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: it's you know, one of the you know, arguably one 366 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: of the most famous pieces of clip art there is, Yeah, 367 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: and I don't know if it was a joke. It's 368 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: so hard to tell, um what's a joke and what's 369 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: not because they play everything so straight. Yeah, they're in 370 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: character basically. Yeah, but that I saw on one of 371 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: their websites that they said, reminder, this is ah, this 372 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 1: is this is a trademarked piece of art now as 373 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: part of like the SubGenius copyright SubGenius. So I don't 374 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: know if they actually did copyright. I could totally see 375 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: them doing that in real life. Um, or if they 376 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: were just joking about it. Either way, Yeah, it's kind 377 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: of great. So I think we probably can't go any 378 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: further without explaining this concept of slack. I mentioned that 379 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: the radio show is called The Hour of Slack and 380 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: kind of the major I guess philosophy and tenant of 381 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 1: their religion is us this concept of slack. Are you 382 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: having trouble describing it? No? I mean they even say 383 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: in the documentary it is not even to be described 384 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: that they can't even describe it. So whatever we do 385 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: is going to be our own attempt. Uh. Slack is 386 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: different for every person, but the the definite idea is 387 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: what you think which is being slack like kind of 388 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: but not just being lazy. Having everything you need in 389 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: life and being content while giving up as little as 390 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: possible exertion wise, Yeah, exertion wise exactly, like like having 391 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: done as little as possible to actually attain it. Um, 392 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: that's one definition of slack for sure. Um. The point is, like, 393 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: I think it's one of those things where you um, 394 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: or what is not slack is easier to recognize than 395 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: what is slack. And I'll give you an example of 396 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: something that happened today. Okay, because I've been thinking about this, 397 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, how are we going to define slack? So? Um, 398 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: I knocked over the toilet brush behind the the toilet 399 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: in my bathroom, right, and you know, like the little 400 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: drippings that end up in like the toilet brush holder. Yes, 401 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: they spilled out on the floor. Those are the worst drippings, 402 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: the worst drippings. I would have rather spilled like like 403 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: like raw pork juice onto my floor than those drippings. 404 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: And they're bad drippings, right. So I spent the next 405 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: ten minutes not only like cleaning up those drippings, and 406 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: I mean like cleaning it up like there's there's some 407 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: floor missing. Now I scrubbed it so hard, and then 408 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: also cleaning the holder for the scrub brush before I 409 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: put everything back. And this is a totally unintentional, totally 410 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: avoidable thing for me to be doing. That took up 411 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: ten minutes of my life. I did not want to 412 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: be doing it. It It was gross, it was yuck, and 413 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: I realized, this is the this is the perfect example 414 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: of what is not slack. It's the conspiracy. It was 415 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 1: the conspiracy that probably had something to do with it, 416 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: But the point was, like I was doing something I 417 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: didn't want to do, and I was doing it. I 418 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: was getting no reward from it whatsoever. I was a 419 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 1: little stressed out about it. It was not slack. So 420 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: slack is the opposite of that. It's where things are 421 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: going your way. Uh, It's where you are content and happy. 422 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: And that doesn't necessarily mean you have everything in life, 423 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,719 Speaker 1: like all the trappings of life. It very frequently doesn't 424 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: mean that. Instead, it's just whatever it is that makes 425 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: you content. And because it it's undefined herble, that means 426 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: that it's up to every sub GENII to define what 427 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: is slack for them. Yeah, and the conspiracy is are 428 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 1: the things that prevent you from achieving slack. Originally, I 429 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: think the conspiracy was literally like the man that kind 430 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: of thing, But it evolved over the years to the 431 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: point where one of the guys in the documentary said 432 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: it evolved to you know, it was like when it 433 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: rained really hard on a day you were going to 434 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: do something like, that's the conspiracy. It's things I think 435 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: conspiring against you. That toilet brush knocking over, that's definitely 436 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: the conspiracy because it prevented you from, I guess, taking 437 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: your your mid morning nap, right and the under the 438 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: teachings of of Bob, the conspiracy is actually an acronym 439 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 1: for clicks of normal secretly planning insidious rituals aimed at 440 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: controlling you. That's a good one, I agreed. And then 441 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: under the doctrine like this is an actual group who 442 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: they don't know what slack is, but they know it exists, 443 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: and they're bent on stealing as much of it as possible, 444 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: and they start stealing it from everybody, Pinks and Yettie. 445 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: From the moment, you're worn um and so it's up 446 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: to you to um to steal it back to get 447 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: as much slack as you possibly can. But the problem 448 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: with the conspiracy is they're the ones running the show 449 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: here on Earth. They're the ones who are behind consumer 450 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: culture UM, and they've created this illusion that that what 451 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: what normals and pinks um and uh non subgenia yetti 452 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: who haven't figured themselves out yet UM buy into as 453 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: life is all just this vast consumer conspiracy UM and 454 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: that uh, they'll they actually offer what appears to be slack, 455 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: but it's like false slack is what they call it. Yeah, 456 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: it's manufactured slack. So it's like, um, the SubGenius wicki 457 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 1: as awesome, and they give examples of UM like pre 458 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: planned recreation UM, like days off from work that you 459 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: earn or are given like these or this is all 460 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: false slack, Like it's somebody else deciding what your slack 461 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: is and you're buying into it. And that is the 462 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: that is not slack. Slack is you have to decide 463 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: what slack is, right, And there's original slack. We're all 464 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: born with original slack, according to the Church, and the 465 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 1: conspiracy chips away at that slack or sells you false 466 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: slack over the years to degrade your your natural slack 467 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: that you're born with. And then there's also involuntary slack, 468 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: which is my favorite slack. And this is like if 469 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: you if you lose your job or something, if you 470 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: get fired, this is just involuntary slack. Uh, that Bob 471 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 1: is sending your way to force you to take a 472 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: little time off. Yeah. I saw a video from I 473 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: guess two thousand nine or ten, and it called the 474 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: Great Recession the Great Slack Session, and it basically said, 475 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: like the financial markets have melted down, and I had 476 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: like this real dramatic music. Um of millions of people 477 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 1: are out of out of work. No one has a 478 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: clue about what to do about it. Victory is at hand. Um. 479 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 1: There's one other thing I want to say about slack. Two. Um, 480 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: there are basically two groups, two approaches or philosophies as 481 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: far as slack is concerned. And I think it's pretty 482 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: interesting that, like the the whole concept has gotten this far. 483 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: It's it's evolved into something. And I think this is 484 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: a really good example of what happens with the church's teachings. 485 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: Like these guys just wrote some crazy stuff like back 486 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: in the seventies, eighties, even into the nineties, and then 487 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: other people who kind of vibed on it came along 488 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: and expanded it like I read I read an essay 489 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: on the scissors of Sight and apparently that's mentioned off 490 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: handedly and uh and pamphlet at number one, and somebody 491 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: wrote a whole essay about how they're still trying to 492 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: figure out what those are and they think it's from 493 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: a crystal in Atlantis, and um, it was just just 494 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: like that's just what they do. It's almost like they're 495 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: putting stuff out there as like thoughts starters for other 496 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: people's creativity to kind of sprout from. But anyway, the 497 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: two um, the two paths for slack has kind of 498 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: split between these two groups, the Rewardians and the emergent tiles, right, yeah, 499 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: and the emergent tiles are getting their slack because they're 500 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: getting the things done that they kind of feel like 501 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: they want a need to get done, but it's under 502 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: a deadline from someone else. But then they have their 503 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: slack and then the Rewardians don't think. This is more 504 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: like tell of Steve stuff. Did you ever see that movie? No, 505 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: I need to, though I'm well aware of it. Sort 506 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: of that was sort of that guy's deal. He he 507 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: was just like he had this life philosophy and he 508 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: would have really fit in with these with these folks, 509 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: with the rewardians, They basically like slack off all the time, 510 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: don't do any work until you absolutely have to write. 511 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: I think there's quite a bit of pot involved every 512 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: day kind of thing. Sure, Um, that wouldn't surprise me. 513 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: And that's what I think most people would think of 514 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: when they think of like slack king, Like, yeah, that's 515 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: what you do when you're slack. You don't work, You 516 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: sit around, you smoke pot. You're like never put on 517 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: pants or anything like that, and you're just having the 518 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: time of your life as long as like that's what 519 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: you want to do. Um, emergentise you're like, no, no, 520 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: there's another way to do this. Like I feel really 521 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: good about accomplishing something about like setting a goal and 522 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: meeting it about but that's my goal. Like I want 523 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: to learn how to climb a mountain, So I'm gonna 524 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: go learn how to climb a mountain and climb that mountain, 525 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: and during that whole process, I'm slacking, Like that's my 526 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: slack um. So those are kind of like the two 527 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: ways of doing it. And apparently the two groups kind 528 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: of pity each other and think they have it completely backwards. 529 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: But the point is is neither group is right or wrong, 530 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: because it's all up to the individual. What your slack is. 531 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: I mean, what these guys really they it was. It's 532 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: such a time and place thing. They were born out 533 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: of this sort of spirit of the Mary Pranksters, sixties 534 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: counterculture kin kis kind of thing. But they came along 535 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: at a time where that had been bulldozed over and 536 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: the eighties were being born, which was about as anti 537 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: you know, sixties counterculture vibe as you can imagine. But 538 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: these guys still had that sort of fun, playful idea 539 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: and you know this this was their invention. I just 540 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: I always think it's just so fun and so cool. 541 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: I every time I see a UM D vible or 542 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: a live show, I absolutely do not want to be there, 543 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: but I think it's awesome. It was. I liken it 544 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: too when I saw um Spinal Tap in concert. They 545 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: actually toured when I was in college and I was 546 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: such a fan of the movie. And when they played 547 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: the Fox Theater and we all went and I had 548 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: it was not fun at all because it was like 549 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: it was funny as a movie, but you're this rock 550 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: and roll show that is supposed to kind of be funny, 551 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: but but there were also people that were really getting 552 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: into the rock and roll and I didn't know. I 553 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: was stuck in between worlds. I didn't know how to feel. 554 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: And when I was watching these SubGenius live shows, I 555 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: was kind of like, oh, that's like spinal Tap live. 556 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to be there, but I'm glad people 557 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: are enjoying it. Yeah, it's kind of like, um yeah, 558 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: and do they are enjoying it? The people who go 559 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: to those are are genuinely having like the time of 560 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: their lives, Like that's their time to like just like 561 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: just be themselves as much as they ever have in 562 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: their lives. Um. It's almost like I would compare it 563 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: to um a uh, like a meeting of the Juggalos, 564 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,479 Speaker 1: a comic con, and like Guar Show all mixed together. 565 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: That's what the devivals these days kind of seem like, 566 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: just based on what I've seen on the internet. Yeah, 567 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: that's good. I like it. And if you're if you 568 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: think this is all really dumb, then you probably would 569 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: not like their motto. They have a lot of sayings 570 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: and mottoes, but they're chief one that they kind of 571 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: yell out at these Uh, devivals is fum if you 572 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: can't take a joke, or if they can't take a joke, right, 573 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: And I mean it's right there like there. It's amazing 574 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: to me that some people took this too seriously because 575 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: the motto is literally, this is a joke, right, Yeah, 576 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: And it is really kind of like this concerning because 577 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: like if you do take it seriously, like you really 578 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: have to go to great lengths to to get past 579 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: all the winks, the nods, the absurdity of everything. It 580 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: suggests that there's like you're you're you're more so off 581 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: than the average cult member because you're actually taking a joke. 582 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: Colt as a cult. It's like when fight Club got 583 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: too serious you started blown up buildings and stuff. Yeah, 584 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: I think so, except there was no violence involved in 585 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: the Church of the sub Genius. Now they're they're peaceful. 586 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: It's right because they're all stoned. Yeah, I think a 587 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: lot of them are. I think a lot of them 588 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: are like the Frank's Appa types, or they're just weird 589 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: and they have nothing to do with drugs or alcohol 590 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: or anything too, you know, those are they they were 591 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: born with original stoned. Uh. Yeah, that's exactly right. Drugs. 592 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: Apparently Frank Zappler was a real jerk to people who 593 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: did drugs, Like he had that cafe or restaurant or 594 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,879 Speaker 1: club or whatever, and he would like kick you out 595 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: if he thought you were on pot um. That's that's conspiracy. Yeah, 596 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: he was a little pink from what I can tell. Interesting. Yeah, yeah, 597 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 1: And you said also, if this kind of stuff seems 598 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: weird to you or whatever, or you don't like it, like, 599 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: that's a pretty like fairly normal reaction. It doesn't mean 600 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 1: there's anything wrong with you. But one of the reasons 601 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: that that it might make you feel a little wobbly 602 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: or a little shaky, or like you're missing something, or 603 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: like you're being made fun of. That kind of weird 604 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,879 Speaker 1: feeling in your stomach is because you probably are being 605 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: made fun of. Like if you're not in on the joke, 606 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: like I said earlier, by definition, you're you're part of 607 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: the butt of the joke. You're a member of that 608 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 1: that group. Um and if you actually are actively getting 609 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: offended at what they're saying and doing, because one of 610 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: the one of the threads of humor that they very 611 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: frequently use is bad taste, shock value. Um, like like 612 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: just basically the opposite of PC, Like they really don't 613 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: care for PC very much. Um. And if you're deeply 614 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: offended by this stuff and you actually like respond to it, um, 615 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 1: there you're actually kind of proving their point that you 616 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: are maybe a little two wrapped up in this culture 617 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: that they're that they're basically saying, like this, this is 618 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: a fraud. This is all a fraud. And and like 619 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: you're you're proving that that there's problems with it by 620 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: getting mad at something where you know, at a joke. 621 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: Basically yeah, and you know, before you start feeling too 622 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: sorry for these people because they're being made fun of 623 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: his like squares who aren't hip to the joke and 624 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: don't get the joke. I mean, the original reason this 625 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: was started was because these very people were outcast and 626 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: being bullied by those very people to begin with. So 627 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 1: let's say your break man, we'll talk about out some 628 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: of the lower points in the Church of the SubGenius 629 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:36,959 Speaker 1: that have happened across the years. Huh, let's do it. So, Um, 630 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: if you went to a devible, one of the things 631 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: you would find, Chuck is, especially an early one, is 632 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: a lot of like put on preaching, like evangelical mock preaching. 633 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: But the what the guy's doing is like doing a 634 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: fire and Brimstone preacher bit, but what he's saying is 635 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: espousing you know, bob stuff about you know, if the FM, 636 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: if they can't take a joke or um, you know whatever, um, 637 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 1: And that like doesn't sit very well usually with people. 638 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: But also it never really sits very well with me 639 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: because it's obnoxious even in its real form, and it's 640 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: super obnoxious when it's like mocked. Because that's why I 641 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't want to be there. Yeah. Yeah, And and the 642 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: anti music is another reason. That was the next thing 643 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: I was gonna get to is like, if you, if 644 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: you are not super into this and probably on a 645 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: pretty decent amount of acid back in five for four, um, 646 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: you the anti music would probably turn you off to 647 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: I know, I don't like it at all either. Yeah. 648 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: It's basically the idea is that they would get a 649 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: bunch of instruments and you could just do whatever you 650 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 1: want with them, and and the ideas that you're not 651 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,760 Speaker 1: you can't play these things. These are not skilled musicians 652 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: or not even musicians at all, and uh, they would 653 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 1: just make noise with them, and you know, when watching 654 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 1: the documentary, you get the idea from some of them 655 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 1: that it's it's sort of like the drums cole that 656 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: finally everyone gets in synchronicity for a minute, you're like, oh, okay, 657 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: something just happened. Uh. That would happen occasionally, apparently with 658 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: the anti music, is that it would coalesce at a 659 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: certain point. Or maybe that was a drugs talking, but 660 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: basically it's a bunch of people making a lot of 661 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: awful noise and screaming. Yes. Um. There was actually a 662 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 1: time during the d at at d Vibles, I think 663 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 1: during the nineties maybe where a schism in the church developed. 664 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,839 Speaker 1: Um was very much planned. Yeah right, so um. The 665 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 1: idea was so that one of the big parts of 666 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: the one of the tenants of the churches there the 667 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: like the world's going to end eventually on X day, 668 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 1: and X Day was originally slotted for July, and that 669 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: came and went and there were no UFOs um driven 670 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 1: by sex goddesses to come whisk off the sub genii 671 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: to plan at x to to live out the rest 672 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: of their eternity parting um and then but the fact 673 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 1: that this was coming along this the church decided like, 674 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,280 Speaker 1: we don't know what's going to happen to the Pinks 675 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 1: after that, so we need to decide. And the schism. 676 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: Schism was formed between people who said, well, there'll probably 677 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 1: be sub subgenia who want to stay and rule the world, 678 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: and we can just let them rule the Pinks from 679 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 1: there on out. And then the other group said, no, no, no, 680 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: all the Pinks are going to be slaughtered on next day. 681 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: There won't be any Pinks left. And apparently this um, 682 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:37,359 Speaker 1: this this differing opinion on basic church doctrine, like was 683 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 1: a thread that was carried on for a very long time. 684 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 1: It was and I think we just need to be 685 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: really clear. A schism was written into the script of 686 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: the Church of the sub Genius. It was nothing formed. 687 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 1: It was they wrote a hell basically into their wrestling show. 688 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: Uh with Papa Joe Mama, who was the leader of 689 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: the holocaustles who believed um and again all in jest, 690 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 1: but he believed like go out and shoot the rich basically, 691 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: like kill these people. And I think it was staying 692 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 1: was the leader of the Evangelicals, which was, yeah, let's 693 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,359 Speaker 1: just make enslave them basically and keep them alive. And um, 694 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: two things here first of all, and that they they 695 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: eventually had a big show in the eighties, kind of 696 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 1: jumping back, uh in San Francisco. They had had these 697 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 1: sort of small tent d vivals with a hundred people, 698 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 1: and then in San Francisco they booked this theater for 699 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: two nights, nine theater for two nights, and we're like, 700 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 1: we don't really know if we can do this, and 701 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: they had set builders and set designers and it became 702 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 1: a real actual thing. The news covered it, and they did. 703 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: They covered it, and they they had a fake assassination 704 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,239 Speaker 1: of Bob. Bob finally came out, he walked out on 705 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: stage and then bang, he was immediately shot. But apparently 706 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: they started doing this a lot Bob had. You know, 707 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 1: Bob had many many lives and could be killed over 708 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: and over again assassinated. Um, So there was that. And 709 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 1: then after Stay, judging from the documentary is is when 710 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,360 Speaker 1: it seemed to like kind of go bad and not 711 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 1: go bad, and that everybody really started believing and it 712 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,840 Speaker 1: became this really scary thing. But it sort of lost 713 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,800 Speaker 1: its judge a little bit, and there were some people 714 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: and I think one person specifically even went up to Staying. 715 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the X Day. I 716 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:32,719 Speaker 1: think San Francisco, Okay, And um, he was, you know, 717 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,919 Speaker 1: obviously someone who needed some real help because he thought 718 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: this was all real. Uh. Was was livid that it 719 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 1: wasn't being taken seriously and that people were laughing. And 720 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: that's when Staying was like man like, kind of this 721 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,320 Speaker 1: was bound to happen. But it also made him sad 722 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,279 Speaker 1: because I never wanted anything like this and that was 723 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,319 Speaker 1: the reason why. So like the documentary that was made 724 00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 1: by Sandy K. Boone Um, who was involved in few 725 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 1: other pretty pretty great documentaries recently, including Tower, I don't 726 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: think it's the Tower, just Tower, the one about the 727 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,880 Speaker 1: the Charles Whitman, the shooting at the University of Sections 728 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: back in the sixties. Oh, it's amazing. So I remember 729 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 1: Waking Life that that whole thing link Letter did with 730 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 1: the animation. They did that for this documentary and it 731 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:26,240 Speaker 1: really like had a yes. So Um, she was involved 732 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: in that as well, But she made this documentary apparently 733 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 1: her late husband was like what a great adherent and 734 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 1: in the trips of the SubGenius, and she made it 735 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,840 Speaker 1: also kind of as an ode to him as well. Um. 736 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 1: But in it Stang in Filo break character and like 737 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,680 Speaker 1: they hadn't broken character for thirty something years, right, Like 738 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 1: they've done interviews, Uh, they've like like print, TV radio, 739 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,800 Speaker 1: like they've done the radio show. They've like written tons 740 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 1: of books. Um, they just don't break character. That's just 741 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,720 Speaker 1: part of their jam. And for this document or they did, 742 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 1: and they said the reason why at least Stang said 743 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,399 Speaker 1: the reason why he did, um was because they're kind 744 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: of getting on in years and he wants to make 745 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 1: sure that it's perfectly clear before he dies that this 746 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: is a joke and that everybody knows it was a 747 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 1: joke and it's always been a joke, and there's like 748 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 1: you need to take it as a joke so that 749 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,319 Speaker 1: it doesn't accidentally turn into something like scientology down the 750 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,759 Speaker 1: down the line. Yeah, he said, you watched it, right, Yeah. Yeah, 751 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 1: I didn't watch it right before this. I saw it 752 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,440 Speaker 1: several months ago. Yeah, he said, Um. And this kind 753 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 1: of sums it up in the way that it makes sense, 754 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 1: but it doesn't. And this is in relation to that 755 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 1: that guy who really came up to him and other 756 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 1: people that really thought it was real. He said, we 757 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,359 Speaker 1: wanted we always wanted to trick people, but we didn't 758 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 1: really want to trick people, right, Yes, that's what I'm saying. 759 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,279 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. They were fascinated by the fact 760 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,920 Speaker 1: that people could be tricked, yea, and they wanted to 761 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,360 Speaker 1: explore that and make fun of it, and they invited 762 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,440 Speaker 1: other people to explore it and make fun of it. 763 00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 1: But it wasn't too hurt anybody that they were They 764 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 1: weren't actually trying to exploit anybody. Like the idea of 765 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,680 Speaker 1: having having you become a part of become a member, 766 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,320 Speaker 1: sending your dollar, become or dained buying all that sales 767 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,160 Speaker 1: stuff was to point out that that's what was going 768 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: on in the real world, you know. Yeah, And this 769 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,400 Speaker 1: sort of came to a head um in the nineties 770 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: when they it was just after Columbine. They had a 771 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,319 Speaker 1: live show planned in Boston and Papa Joe Mama, who 772 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 1: was again there sort of scripted heel agent provocateur, got 773 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: on a think of radio show and somehow reference Columbine. 774 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 1: It was a little unclear. I think he blamed Columbine 775 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,680 Speaker 1: on the Church of the SubGenius. Was that what it was? Okay? 776 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,719 Speaker 1: Because I couldn't quite tell what the reference was, but 777 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,480 Speaker 1: it was clear that that was over the line for 778 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,320 Speaker 1: for both Philo and Staying, and the show was originally 779 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,440 Speaker 1: canceled by the theater, and then a real church, I 780 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,800 Speaker 1: think like an Episcopal church stepped up weirdly and said 781 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: you can have it at our church, and then they 782 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 1: got bomb threats and they said, well, now I guess 783 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: we can't do that, and then I think they ended 784 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,760 Speaker 1: up having it in a like a public park or something. 785 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 1: But that was sort of like where it. You know, 786 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 1: the nineties weren't too kind to the not just like 787 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,920 Speaker 1: the numbers, but you know, once the Internet was born, 788 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 1: and that was like really when the consumer culture and 789 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,879 Speaker 1: the Internet boom happened for real, it was just so 790 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 1: antithetical to the Church of the SubGenius. It seemed to 791 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,360 Speaker 1: kind of fade away um until later on when the 792 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,080 Speaker 1: Internet kind of helped revive it again. So my take 793 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,320 Speaker 1: is that the the what really kind of let it 794 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:43,360 Speaker 1: down hill, not to say that there's like like not 795 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,719 Speaker 1: to say that it's it went downhill on its own 796 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,799 Speaker 1: like that just just the world changed, yeah, and there 797 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:54,719 Speaker 1: was there like the world became the parody. Not it 798 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,360 Speaker 1: wasn't like straight any longer it was just a joke, 799 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,000 Speaker 1: but that was real life out So you can't satirize 800 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,879 Speaker 1: something that is the satire that you're coming up with. 801 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,960 Speaker 1: There's just no way to do it. No, that's absolutely right, 802 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 1: and that's you know, America change quite a bit in 803 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,960 Speaker 1: the last like twenty years, and that the like what 804 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,959 Speaker 1: do you like how you just can't You can't satirize 805 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,359 Speaker 1: something when it becomes this weird version of itself that 806 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,359 Speaker 1: you were using before it encroached on your turf kind 807 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,719 Speaker 1: of thing, you know. Yeah, and then the last like 808 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 1: ten minutes of the documentary sort of focus on the 809 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,239 Speaker 1: Trump administration and these fringe groups that started online there 810 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,000 Speaker 1: saying this crazy made up stuff, and uh that really 811 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 1: puts a hurting, like you said, on something like the 812 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,000 Speaker 1: Church of the SubGenius Um as far as being and 813 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,640 Speaker 1: their their numbers were never huge, but uh, I get 814 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,360 Speaker 1: the idea from watching it that's staying still has people 815 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,799 Speaker 1: that right in that still send him some money. He 816 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 1: told one funny joke about getting a payment upon receipt 817 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,719 Speaker 1: envelope that like he had to pay two dollars to 818 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,759 Speaker 1: even open this thing, and he was all perturbed about that, 819 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,200 Speaker 1: and there was a thousand dollars in cash, and he 820 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,160 Speaker 1: took half of it and immediately took it to a 821 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 1: sick friend. Like that's the kind of guy he is. 822 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,480 Speaker 1: So that's cool. Yeah, he struck me as that as well. 823 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,960 Speaker 1: But he's still you know, paying his mortgage stuff and envelopes. 824 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 1: Well yeah, because I think like if you go back 825 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 1: and you read the original books and you know, even 826 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 1: still I was reading like the wikia that explained all 827 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,400 Speaker 1: of the different stuff, um is hilarious and like totally 828 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,319 Speaker 1: worthwhile and still applies today. Um. Like it's like in 829 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,400 Speaker 1: a in a certain way, it's timeless even though it 830 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:41,200 Speaker 1: screams Reagan era, you know, but the the it's still 831 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,440 Speaker 1: it still makes sense because we still have like a 832 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,160 Speaker 1: consumer driven culture that is that has a lot to 833 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:52,040 Speaker 1: do with gender norms and conformity and um, exploiting people 834 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,759 Speaker 1: for their labor. Um, Like all that stuff is still 835 00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,719 Speaker 1: going on. So the original stuff still still stands and 836 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,920 Speaker 1: still holds. Yeah, and they you know, Mark Mothers bab 837 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,719 Speaker 1: of Divo and um, I can't remember the other guy's name, 838 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,360 Speaker 1: and Divo, they were way into it. Pin Gillette, Nick Offerman, 839 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,839 Speaker 1: Richard link Ladder, Paul Rubens pee Wee Herman's playhouse had 840 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,160 Speaker 1: a Bob Dobbs on his big wall collage. These were 841 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,840 Speaker 1: all people that were attracted to it. It was a 842 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,960 Speaker 1: lot of dudes, of course, But they do interview a 843 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,319 Speaker 1: few of the women in the original group that said, like, 844 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,200 Speaker 1: we were outcasts and we wanted to meet these weirdo 845 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,520 Speaker 1: guys and this is where we did it. Like we 846 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,680 Speaker 1: went there because it was mostly guys and you know 847 00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,880 Speaker 1: when we could meet these these dudes, but it was 848 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,520 Speaker 1: very male oriented, and um, I don't know, I just 849 00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,680 Speaker 1: like I said, I never I always had fun reading 850 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,200 Speaker 1: about it and hearing about it, but never wanted to 851 00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,560 Speaker 1: get too involved just because I too much of a pink. 852 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,560 Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, yes, it is a lot of fun 853 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,719 Speaker 1: to read about, for sure. Like there's a lot of 854 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,960 Speaker 1: stuff out there on the internet to read, um, and 855 00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,640 Speaker 1: this is like it I encourage. Yeah, there's there. It's huge. 856 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:04,120 Speaker 1: It's an enormous, huge rambling um. Like what do you 857 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:09,319 Speaker 1: call a group of beliefs in scripture and doctrine mythos? 858 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,759 Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, cannon, that's what I was looking for. 859 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,719 Speaker 1: There's a huge, extensive cannon and it's a lot of 860 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,720 Speaker 1: fun especially the older stuff. Some of the newer stuff 861 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,319 Speaker 1: is not that funny because it's and I mean new, 862 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,200 Speaker 1: I mean like mid two thousand's, the mid aughts kind 863 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,840 Speaker 1: of stuff started to really lose its sense of humor. 864 00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,640 Speaker 1: Some people lost their sense of humor and got real 865 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:36,280 Speaker 1: serious about it. The eighties and nineties stuff is hilarious. Um. 866 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 1: I strongly recommend going to read. Uh an Explanation of 867 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,320 Speaker 1: the Male to Female Discrepancy in the Church of the 868 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:50,160 Speaker 1: SubGenius by Reverend Nancy Regalia. Um. And yeah, well, I 869 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,040 Speaker 1: don't think that was in the book. That was just 870 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,920 Speaker 1: supplemental stuff. It was an essay explaining it. But it 871 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,160 Speaker 1: also is more like a kind of a call to 872 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,400 Speaker 1: arms for those girls who never felt like We're always 873 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,760 Speaker 1: recognized that they were kind of being forced into certain 874 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,000 Speaker 1: gender roles and did never feel good about it. Um. 875 00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,320 Speaker 1: She she had it quote, it's it's not enough to 876 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,920 Speaker 1: simply burn your brawls. Why stop there burn a few 877 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,879 Speaker 1: bridal boutiques in city Hall while you're at it. It's 878 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,800 Speaker 1: just it's good. It's a good essay for sure, totally 879 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,440 Speaker 1: worth reading. So, yeah, there's a lot more to say 880 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,200 Speaker 1: about the Church of the sub genius. But we'll just 881 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,680 Speaker 1: leave it to you. I feel like we should just 882 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,960 Speaker 1: part with it's a joke. It is a joke. Ultimately, 883 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:35,960 Speaker 1: it's a joke, and take it as that. Okay, and 884 00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,920 Speaker 1: you got that down. You've got some YETI and you 885 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,279 Speaker 1: pink boy maybe? Uh? And since I called Chuck a 886 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:46,640 Speaker 1: pink boy, it's time for a listener mail. Uh. Keeping 887 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,279 Speaker 1: it short and sweet. Here with a quick correction from 888 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,760 Speaker 1: a new listener. Hi, guys, I'm a very new listener 889 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,239 Speaker 1: and I love what I've heard so far. However, just 890 00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,520 Speaker 1: three episodes in about the Magna Carta, one of you, 891 00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,000 Speaker 1: off handed suggested that William the Conqueror was a beloved 892 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,359 Speaker 1: English king because the annexed Normandy after the Battle of Hastings. 893 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,239 Speaker 1: That's pretty much backwards, guys. He was a Norman king 894 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,680 Speaker 1: who conquered England at that battle. Williams story would make 895 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,360 Speaker 1: a great episode. That is from Scott scatter Good in 896 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,759 Speaker 1: su on the Korea. Well, Scott, since you're new, you 897 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,600 Speaker 1: obviously don't know that most of the viewpoint that we 898 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,640 Speaker 1: give on stuff you should know is from the Vikings viewpoint. 899 00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:31,040 Speaker 1: So we had it right, Okay, good? Uh, Scott, scatter Good. 900 00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,680 Speaker 1: What a great name, right? Yeah? What happens if you 901 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:39,279 Speaker 1: scramble Scott around? Scatters Good? Uh? 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