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Speaker 1: This nice run we've had. Tell of a run man, Man.
Speaker 1: We went to New York, did our thing, came to
Speaker 1: La did our thing. We get to finish off with
Speaker 1: one of the homies. One of the homies know someone
Speaker 1: that obviously did his thing on the grid iron but
Speaker 1: also has been able to transition into what was next
Speaker 1: been in the media space twenty years, eighteen eighteen years,
Speaker 1: touching coming up on twenty years someone Jack and I
Speaker 1: both look up to man, Welcome to the show, Keishaw Johnson,
Speaker 1: appreciate you, man away, Welcome bro.
Speaker 4: They called and said, would you come on, Man stop?
Speaker 4: Why would you even ask me that question?
Speaker 1: Because they're gonna do because they know you don't like
Speaker 1: light skinned people from u c l A, which you
Speaker 1: just clearly made.
Speaker 3: But it's not.
Speaker 4: It's not that I don't like light skinned people from
Speaker 4: U c l A. I done had a number of
Speaker 4: friends that with UCLA. It happened to be fair skinned.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying skin.
Speaker 4: You know, it's certain sport over there. That just seemed
Speaker 4: like they always integrate the lighter guys into the equation
Speaker 4: that U s la.
Speaker 3: With the curly talk with the curly top.
Speaker 4: I don't care if it was Matt Barnes, Jelani Christ,
Speaker 4: John Chris just. I can go on and on and on.
Speaker 4: They always seem to get them one they got they had.
Speaker 4: The last one was Ball, right, that was the last
Speaker 4: light really light.
Speaker 3: One was Ball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, really like, you know, I got dark
Speaker 1: ever since college though, you know, because when you.
Speaker 3: See back.
Speaker 1: Ship college, you done got dark. Obviously ESPN for a
Speaker 1: number of years you transitioned over to Fox. Uh, we're
Speaker 1: doing Undisputed, but also congratulations you're doing your podcast as well.
Speaker 1: And I like how you said again this is this
Speaker 1: is about business and capitalizing on your I P. So
Speaker 1: your your Undisputed deal was every uh separate and then
Speaker 1: everything else that comes with you was all a card.
Speaker 3: It gotta be right, I mean when you look at it.
Speaker 4: When I when I first sat down and was coming from.
Speaker 3: ESPN, I was in d C with my family. We
Speaker 3: was the kids. We went to d C. Right was
Speaker 3: on the way to Turks and Kkos, but I wanted
Speaker 3: we stopped in d C. We're in New York first.
Speaker 3: And then when I.
Speaker 4: Got the call that they was gonna terminate me and
Speaker 4: still pay me, I'm like, oh, cool, I will figure it.
Speaker 4: I don't even trip. I'm getting my money, I'm getting
Speaker 4: my bread. That's the number one thing. Right, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: land on my feet cause I'm good at what I do.
Speaker 4: And we go to we in d C and we
Speaker 4: go to Turks. The Fox people, they they like, we
Speaker 4: come to see you.
Speaker 3: It's oh, in twenty four hours. We try to figure
Speaker 3: this out.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, okay, cool. So we try to figure
Speaker 4: it out or whatever. But along the way, I tell
Speaker 4: my agent, I say, look, man, here's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do this deal this way. This time, we're
Speaker 4: not gonna do it the traditional way. We're gonna We're
Speaker 4: gonna break this shit down into pieces. You see, like
Speaker 4: you said, this is not this is not a happy meal.
Speaker 4: We're not getting ready to get a drink, fries and
Speaker 4: a burger. No, we're not gonna do that. And so
Speaker 4: when we broke it down, Charlie Dixon allowed me him
Speaker 4: and him and Silvermen and Shanks.
Speaker 3: They allowed me to.
Speaker 4: Retain my audio and digital rights. So when I went
Speaker 4: to shop, you know, I talked to pretty much everybody
Speaker 4: in the space, and I just came back and I said,
Speaker 4: you know what, since I'm over here with these folks,
Speaker 4: I might as well stay over here with them instead of.
Speaker 3: Trying to go somewhere else.
Speaker 4: You know that don't really know me as well as
Speaker 4: they gonna know because they don't have an opportunity to
Speaker 4: see me every day in the building work with me. Now,
Speaker 4: they're gonna know my personality, know who I am, all that.
Speaker 4: So we strategically just planned it that way and said,
Speaker 4: you know, and then probably about I think about two
Speaker 4: months in, I said, you know what I'm ready to
Speaker 4: do to Pod Let's let's pick up the phone, let's
Speaker 4: call him, and let's figure it out.
Speaker 1: So uh misunderstood by some uh respected in this space,
Speaker 1: for for for his longevity in this space, what do
Speaker 1: you think is something getting a chance to work on
Speaker 1: them now That is a misconception or or or people
Speaker 1: may not get about Skip Bayless man.
Speaker 4: You know, I when I first took the job, Matt
Speaker 4: and Jack. People was like, Keisha, gonna kill a dude
Speaker 4: because they don't know me. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I can work with anybody. I walk in and work
Speaker 4: with anybody any given day at all.
Speaker 3: I said that I was one of them. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: see what I'm saying because he because Jack know me differently.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. But I also understand my paper.
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I'm not faiting less somebody fuck my money off with
Speaker 3: no stupid silly shit. This shit is entertainment. It's fun,
Speaker 3: that's all of it.
Speaker 4: Ain't personal, ain't nothing personal. So to answer your question,
Speaker 4: you know, it's fun working with him. The man is
Speaker 4: a wealth of knowledge. He's been around for a long time.
Speaker 4: But I think what people seeing him is is a
Speaker 4: seventy plus year old white man with blond hair, and
Speaker 4: in the world that we live in, that's what we see,
Speaker 4: especially as black folk, we see that and we go, Okay,
Speaker 4: it's a white dude who's talking reckless about athletes all
Speaker 4: the time. But that's not true. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: He ain't like that, but people's minds. Then the stuff
Speaker 4: happened with Shanning, so it really went crazy. Everybody automatically assume, oh,
Speaker 4: this dude, he just wanted to get rid of Shinning,
Speaker 4: And everybody don't know skip and don't know how it
Speaker 4: went down the well winter because they're not in the building.
Speaker 4: They don't get all information. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Once I got because you know me, I'm gonna ask.
Speaker 4: We've been in the building, so we go.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm gonna ask what happened, Tell the truth, you
Speaker 3: see what I'm saying, because I gotta work with you.
Speaker 3: I need to know the truth.
Speaker 4: I need to know what's happening at all points and times.
Speaker 4: Like I told him when I first sat down with him,
Speaker 4: I said, look, man, check this out. We sat in
Speaker 4: the backyard, nice out here in California, out at the beach.
Speaker 3: It was beautiful. You can't be it ain't Atlanta. You know,
Speaker 3: it ain't airport ain't closing.
Speaker 4: I'm come to think of it. I don't know the
Speaker 4: last time Lax closed down that I know of. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but Atlanta. Every time I start, can't get out of Atlanta.
Speaker 4: But anyway, when I sat down with him, I said, Man,
Speaker 4: for me, there's only a couple of things in my
Speaker 4: criteria working with anybody is I don't need no race,
Speaker 4: no racial bullshit at all, no homophobia, none at all, none.
Speaker 4: I don't need nothing slipping out nobody's miles and nothing.
Speaker 3: Then were good if you because.
Speaker 4: I don't care about my career. I don't care that
Speaker 4: you you poke fun in my career. Whatever you may.
Speaker 4: You may say that Terrell Owns was better, that's cool.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 4: It got better enough because he played longer. I could
Speaker 4: combat all that. You see what I'm saying. As long
Speaker 4: as you donna say nothing out of pocket, we ain't
Speaker 4: got no problems, we ain't got none at all.
Speaker 3: We gonna work.
Speaker 4: We're gonna be in this business. As long as he
Speaker 4: want to be in there with me, I'm gonna be
Speaker 4: in it with him, and we're gonna rock.
Speaker 3: That's the way I look at You know.
Speaker 1: He recently said you were the first person he text
Speaker 1: after the Cowboy law, or the first person you're the
Speaker 1: first person to text him after the Cowboy loss.
Speaker 3: Always you just text me. You text me about fifteen texts.
Speaker 4: So I'm always with Mike, Me and Michael Irving. We
Speaker 4: watched the games on Sundays, you know, at the Little
Speaker 4: Sports boar or whatever. So I'm always with him, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm always catching him in awkward moments to take a
Speaker 4: picture and put it on social media.
Speaker 3: He's sitting there sweating and biting his nails, looking crazy. Right,
Speaker 3: Oh man.
Speaker 4: One time I was trying to think what game was it.
Speaker 3: It was a game they got they ass ran out
Speaker 3: of the building. No, I wasn't saying it was Buffalo.
Speaker 3: It was a Buffalo bill game, Mike.
Speaker 4: So I'm talking to somebody like I'm talking to y'all
Speaker 4: Mike here in our turn, and I told might go
Speaker 4: and man, he just went out. So he thought he
Speaker 4: was being slick and tried to creep past the thing.
Speaker 4: So the way the sports bar set up, I can
Speaker 4: go to the window because it's open, and I took
Speaker 4: a picture of me trying to creep out.
Speaker 3: He saw me. It was like, say check this, dude,
Speaker 3: I'll try to run.
Speaker 4: Then last week in the Green Bay Joint, he came
Speaker 4: straight from NFL Network because the game started early. Soon
Speaker 4: the show was over, the game started, so I texted him,
Speaker 4: I'm going, y'all already down to nothing. The game hadn't
Speaker 4: even started. Oh man, you shut up, man, start playing.
Speaker 4: So we get there like the middle of the second quarter.
Speaker 4: He got a shoot on. He fresh, he look fresh
Speaker 4: out the cleaners, right, twenty seven nothing, he didn't win.
Speaker 4: I'm looking for him at halftime. It's joking, and went
Speaker 4: and changed clothes. So I got him before and after
Speaker 4: they put it on. So so many people's killing it.
Speaker 4: It's something the funniest I had caught him in some
Speaker 4: crazy moments. Man, they playing San Francisco. He's sitting there
Speaker 4: biting his nails at the bar.
Speaker 3: He's sitting there. He wasn't at our booth. Right. He
Speaker 3: got up and went to the bar and I had
Speaker 3: my little partner with me and I sat over there
Speaker 3: and zoomed. Then on he said another one while they
Speaker 3: get worked by answer my phone me.
Speaker 4: Because he's such a passionate cowboy, dude, it's an easy target.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's a layup. That's a bunny, very easy layup.
Speaker 4: What you think the state of the NFL is today,
Speaker 4: I mean the state of it is. First of all,
Speaker 4: it's good football. You know, Patrick Mahomes is in it.
Speaker 4: Now Lamar's in it. You know, you got both of them,
Speaker 4: you know, Rock Purty situation.
Speaker 3: Is what it is. But being able to see the
Speaker 3: league starting to a degree starting them, I think changed
Speaker 3: their thought process when they're hiring people. You know, because
Speaker 3: you look at my man Antonio Pearce. He like us.
Speaker 4: When the last time you've seen a coach and anything
Speaker 4: other than the high school with a tattoo on his
Speaker 4: neck and earrings other.
Speaker 3: Than a high school coach.
Speaker 4: So now as a professional coaches got to go to
Speaker 4: league meetings and everything too.
Speaker 3: So he gonna be walking in with his ear ring,
Speaker 3: he gets tattled his deck. The people gonna go crazy.
Speaker 4: But you can see that Dan Campbell, the ex player,
Speaker 4: you know, they interview on my man Aaron Glenn. You
Speaker 4: see that my man in Houston, Jamiico Ryans. So now
Speaker 4: in the league is starting to take a look at
Speaker 4: the ex players and that dry mail where they starting
Speaker 4: to say before that was the case.
Speaker 3: I like the NBA.
Speaker 4: The NBA hall take Matt Barnes and Stevie Jack two
Speaker 4: years after they retire, make them head coaches in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Oh man, you're gonna have to carry water for him
Speaker 3: and all that. That shit is crazy how they treat us.
Speaker 4: Even though we work so hard for them, and y'all
Speaker 4: the experts it's some of the crazy people say. I
Speaker 4: come to you because I'm not getting ready to be
Speaker 4: nobody slappy. That's why ain't in the business. I'd rather
Speaker 4: do TV. You see what I'm saying, Because I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna climb up the ladder.
Speaker 3: I'm spoiled. You're gonna make me the top choice if
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do it. I'm not working for nobody, you
Speaker 3: see what I'm saying, other than the owner. So for me,
Speaker 3: when I retired, I'm like, man, man, it's economic suicide
Speaker 3: for one. You see them saying compared to what I'm
Speaker 3: getting the TV. And I got to deal with the
Speaker 3: stress and move my family from LA to Florida Atlanta.
Speaker 3: Some I ain't doing that. I'm a CALLI kid.
Speaker 1: Thoughts real quick on the rule changes over the years.
Speaker 1: You were someone that played in the very physical era.
Speaker 1: Thought on the rule changes, trying to obviously protect well, now,
Speaker 1: the rules.
Speaker 4: Have always evolved over the years, right, They always change
Speaker 4: them and tweak them.
Speaker 3: It's a passing game.
Speaker 4: They want to protect the quarterbacks, but they also want
Speaker 4: to see high scoring games, so they just allow people
Speaker 4: to run up and down the field without being touched.
Speaker 4: Like you said, when I play, you know, which seems
Speaker 4: like a long time ago, but it really wasn't long ago,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: My last year was O seven.
Speaker 4: But there are players that just recently retired that I
Speaker 4: wounded up playing with, so they were still part of
Speaker 4: those rules. These dudes nowadays, I've been telling them all
Speaker 4: the time. Man, y'all running, y'all, running, button necking across
Speaker 4: the field. Anybody touching y'all? You know, y'all catching balls.
Speaker 4: They throwing the ball at alarming rates. These dudes catching
Speaker 4: one hundred plus balls every year.
Speaker 3: You know. But that's the league.
Speaker 4: They want to see the excitement, They want to see
Speaker 4: that sort of stuff, So they trying to protect the quarterbacks,
Speaker 4: and they change the rules. The dudes go across the
Speaker 4: miner and get touched. They just run right across the me.
Speaker 4: I wish, I wish like hell. And they getting like
Speaker 4: thirty five.
Speaker 3: Forty million to run across the middle when we was
Speaker 3: probably getting nigga.
Speaker 4: My biggest salary, well, my biggest salary base salary was
Speaker 4: probably like six and a half, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: nothing counting signing bonuses and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: These dudes touching like thirty and thirty five.
Speaker 1: Man, they're not getting touched and I get touched.
Speaker 2: But the rule they need to put in is when
Speaker 2: the receivers do catch, how to they be getting hit
Speaker 2: low like the sivers come across the middle, or like
Speaker 2: the tar receivers running and the DB's always come.
Speaker 3: Low on the catches. That that's the rule.
Speaker 4: But they do, to some degree emphasize that rule a
Speaker 4: little bit. They don't want you to be exposed, so they.
Speaker 3: Try to protect you. That's how most receivers get hurt. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I tell them all the time, hit me anywhere with
Speaker 3: my legs. Yeah, because they say the head injuries and start.
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, I rather get hit the head exactly,
Speaker 3: you know, because I need my legs to be able
Speaker 3: to get my check.
Speaker 2: Well you seen two hits like that in the recent
Speaker 2: playoff games with the tight ends. It needs damn to
Speaker 2: got took out because of that same ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what happens. Who is the face of the
Speaker 3: NFL right now to you? The face of the NFL?
Speaker 4: Yeah, just patch you moms by far. Yeah, see that
Speaker 4: does he Here's the thing, Lamar Jackson should get the opportunities.
Speaker 4: But we live in a corporate world and I.
Speaker 3: Don't necessarily know when they look at Lamar if they
Speaker 3: look at him and say he could be the face
Speaker 3: for a number of reasons. Okay, he deep.
Speaker 4: South, so they already you know how they flowided it.
Speaker 4: That's how they are because in twenty nineteen he won
Speaker 4: the MVP. Have you seen him on any commercial? And
Speaker 4: he gonna win it again. That's the messed up part
Speaker 4: about it, you know what I'm saying. But when you
Speaker 4: bring it to the attention, people get they get all
Speaker 4: they don't want to talk about it. It's like, well
Speaker 4: wait a minute, may hold on this dude, two time
Speaker 4: MVP is six years he getting ready to probably go
Speaker 4: to the super Bowl. Meanwhile, the dude that we all
Speaker 4: keep hyping up keep going home and Josh Allen, but
Speaker 4: y'all keep putting him on EA Sports and putting him
Speaker 4: on this and putting him on that, and he keep
Speaker 4: getting sent to the crib. So you you look at it,
Speaker 4: you say, how could this be? This can't be this
Speaker 4: way this year with him, They've got to figure out
Speaker 4: because they did it in basketball with a little Penny, right.
Speaker 3: Penny didn't like to talk. But Nike got so creative
Speaker 3: that they.
Speaker 1: Figured out that's a great car. I love that idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, think about it.
Speaker 4: They figured out because when you think about a little penny,
Speaker 4: and obviously this is when we all first started playing
Speaker 4: and becoming professionals and making money or whatnot. We looked
Speaker 4: at that. They brought the entire banks and Chris Rock,
Speaker 4: so they bought a beauty end. Then they bought a
Speaker 4: funny man in and Penny didn't really have to do
Speaker 4: a whole lot, which is okay. They need to figure
Speaker 4: that out with Lamar because they say Lamar doesn't have
Speaker 4: a personality so to speak, like he's not outspoken type,
Speaker 4: you know, personality, got a little Southern Twain to him.
Speaker 4: That's okay, though, if you really want to make it work,
Speaker 4: I can make it work for you the heartbeat.
Speaker 3: I promise you. I can put the shit together from
Speaker 3: a marketer if you.
Speaker 1: Really want to do it, if you really want to
Speaker 1: you really wanted to do, if you really wanted to
Speaker 1: do it, I can put him in all the little
Speaker 1: state farm commercials and.
Speaker 3: Everything else if you really wanted to do Because think
Speaker 3: about it, what m.
Speaker 1: VP is in any league not doing that?
Speaker 4: Not doing commercials and stuff and any league. Some dudes
Speaker 4: ain't even in the MVP conversation. That's you know that
Speaker 4: those two dudes to me or the face of.
Speaker 3: The league you know to me. But I could be wrong.
Speaker 3: They may tell me it's t J Watter something I
Speaker 3: don't know. Those two dudes to me are.
Speaker 1: In your opinion? Yeah, real quick, let's take a cheers break.
Speaker 1: What were sitting on right now?
Speaker 3: Key, tell man, this is manhinta man. It is the
Speaker 3: manhinta tequila. Where can they get it? That at get
Speaker 3: it everywhere all over the place.
Speaker 1: He said, We're giving you just a store it everywhere you.
Speaker 3: Can google it.
Speaker 4: And the fine locations you got it at the all
Speaker 4: them stores, man, them total wines and bivmo's and restaurants.
Speaker 3: And when you drinking, you ain't got even though even
Speaker 3: though you did it not. But the thing is, he
Speaker 3: was trying his best to figure out how to burn
Speaker 3: his chest and he's like, damn, something ain't right. The
Speaker 3: smooth then, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: South Central LA. In the seventies, it was a seventies baby.
Speaker 1: What was it like in South Central in the seventies
Speaker 1: the seventies been, I was a kid, I'm an eighties baby.
Speaker 3: No, So it's South so growing up in South central
Speaker 3: LA at the time. In South La.
Speaker 4: Now, we changed the name, uh quite some time ago
Speaker 4: because after the riots then when I went to build
Speaker 4: all the shopping centers and stuff like that, we just
Speaker 4: changed the name called it South Lads, the South Central
Speaker 4: because it had a stigma, kind of like a stigma
Speaker 4: to it meant growing up, you know, in the seventies,
Speaker 4: so to speak, and then into the eighties, growing up
Speaker 4: in that area.
Speaker 3: It's just the same shit. Gun violence, drugs, you know,
Speaker 3: that was the height of it.
Speaker 4: You don't even know, you you don't even know. But
Speaker 4: having a having a I always like to say it
Speaker 4: this way, a family of crime, you know.
Speaker 3: That's how I grew up. I grew up in a
Speaker 3: family of crime, you know.
Speaker 4: And I was so crazy because I took my homie,
Speaker 4: my partner at home the other day that he's still
Speaker 4: on the East Side, and I just was driving down
Speaker 4: Batchester looking.
Speaker 3: Type of shit is this This shit looked, man, this
Speaker 3: shit looked way different.
Speaker 4: And I haven't been that far east in a couple
Speaker 4: of years, several years, and been shit probably fifteen years.
Speaker 4: So I'm looking and I'm telling him, I'm like, man,
Speaker 4: it's here. Oh no, I'd be scared to go get
Speaker 4: the hamburger over here because it just looks so crazy,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. It looked wow, man, And
Speaker 4: and just remembering growing up and having you know, dealing
Speaker 4: with drugs and dealing with gang violence and guns and
Speaker 4: all that sort of stuff. It's funny though, you know,
Speaker 4: because I've seen it up close in person in real life.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I'd have been dumped on, I'd have been shot, my sister,
Speaker 4: I'm been shot. So it's like for me, I look
Speaker 4: at it and I'm just like, man, I'm so glad.
Speaker 4: Ooh got smart real quick, you know, because it's it
Speaker 4: was tough then, it's still tough now.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's just one of them things where it's like, man,
Speaker 3: I don't want to have to deal with this. I'm
Speaker 3: so glad, you know. And I take my kids. I
Speaker 3: take my kids over all the time. They got to
Speaker 3: see it. They growing up rich. That's who made Juliu ado. Man.
Speaker 3: They growing up rich though. They I tell my son
Speaker 3: all day long.
Speaker 4: He go to the private schools, and I tell him
Speaker 4: all day long, man, you gotta because he out on
Speaker 4: the court and he played. It's so funny because he
Speaker 4: played uh when we were living in New York in
Speaker 4: the pandemic.
Speaker 3: He played at at uh Uh in the Bronx at
Speaker 3: shoot man, what the hell is the name Gacho? He
Speaker 3: was with the gatchos. What's the name basketball coach? They
Speaker 3: do under the under the rug in Arizona. I was
Speaker 3: just talking about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they So he played with book. So the little dudes,
Speaker 4: you know, because he on eed leven. Them dudes was
Speaker 4: like at the time. They was like eight years old
Speaker 4: man waking up at five o'clock in the morning going
Speaker 4: to play basketball. So I had to tell him, Man,
Speaker 4: all that light skin shit with their curly hair and shit, man,
Speaker 4: you got you see them dudes. Them little dudes got
Speaker 4: no teeth. They're gonna have tattoos on the men. They're
Speaker 4: gonna be dunking on you because you out here pretty.
Speaker 4: You got the curls and the whole light skin and
Speaker 4: nothing against you.
Speaker 3: But you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I had to tell him, and I told another night
Speaker 4: when he was at at out of the Sports Academy
Speaker 4: there he living.
Speaker 3: I had to tell him because he got a lot
Speaker 3: of stuff.
Speaker 4: He got, he got some stuff, and I said, man,
Speaker 4: you got to be a little more aggressive. You gotta
Speaker 4: become a dog like you starve and to death, like
Speaker 4: you ain't got nothing, Like you can't go home and eat.
Speaker 4: You can't be thinking, oh, I got lobster in the
Speaker 4: refrigerator when I go home. Now you gotta think refrigerator empty.
Speaker 4: You gotta think the same way I thought, if you
Speaker 4: really want to take it to the next level.
Speaker 3: Same thing. So I told my nephew.
Speaker 4: My nephew grew up in my household with me and
Speaker 4: my whole family, and he went on and he was
Speaker 4: a dog in the league. He keeps getting hurt, but
Speaker 4: when he healthy, he redicted. I tell them the same things. Man,
Speaker 4: you cannot think about Lamborghini's and shit being parked in
Speaker 4: the driveway.
Speaker 3: They ain't choice right. In order for you to get that,
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to approach it a different way.
Speaker 1: For well, I mean, that's a tough I mean, because
Speaker 1: I mean, you live in the valley where I live
Speaker 1: at there's a there's a ton of us that did
Speaker 1: it and so our kids don't have to do it.
Speaker 1: But what's that fine line of letting them knows everybody
Speaker 1: don't live behind gates and go to private school but
Speaker 1: still have that dog and then still have that appreciation
Speaker 1: for the other side.
Speaker 4: So what we try to do is we try to
Speaker 4: show them right by taking them doing thanksgiving out to
Speaker 4: places to help the homeless or whatever. Christmas time. I
Speaker 4: want you to see, once upon a time, as eleven
Speaker 4: year old kid, that was your father. Okay, I was,
Speaker 4: I slapped in the car for a year. So I
Speaker 4: want you to have a real perspective on life. All
Speaker 4: this glitz and glamour, like Matt said, behind uh you
Speaker 4: know gates and all the private school and all that.
Speaker 4: Man that ain't that's not real. What's real is when
Speaker 4: you go east of Losiana, that's real. When you go
Speaker 4: in that pocket over in that area, that's real. And
Speaker 4: I try to get them that perspective. When we go
Speaker 4: to USC games during the season, I ride to the neighborhood,
Speaker 4: I get off the freeway and deliberately, on purpose, take
Speaker 4: the long route.
Speaker 3: So I want them to be able to.
Speaker 4: See you, like, damn, you used to live in this
Speaker 4: type of man that house. Look, I guess about the
Speaker 4: size of our garage. Yes, it is in all of us, all.
Speaker 3: Ten of us in a two bedroom lived today and
Speaker 3: was happy at pies about what we eating tonight? Right?
Speaker 1: In fact, what was how were you able as a
Speaker 1: youngster to be able to navigate like you said, growing
Speaker 1: up in a life of crime and then having a
Speaker 1: goal of I need to get out. What was how
Speaker 1: were you able to stay focused?
Speaker 3: You know? So, so when you're young like I was
Speaker 3: at the time, I was doing ship from a criminal standpoint.
Speaker 3: That was ridiculous that you sit back and you go,
Speaker 3: there's no way this dude ain't no where in the world,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. But I grew up that way.
Speaker 3: It's Keyshining. It was key Shining. No, wasn't no nicknames
Speaker 3: or nothing. It was just key Shine. But we as
Speaker 3: a group.
Speaker 4: It makes me laugh and chuckle because I kind of know,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. I like know how we work,
Speaker 4: and a lot of my friends, you know, at the
Speaker 4: end of the day, they just, like you know, everybody
Speaker 4: start getting shot, dying, going to jail, all.
Speaker 3: That sort of stuff.
Speaker 4: You said, Well, what made me turn? So what made
Speaker 4: me turn is I got older and as I got older,
Speaker 4: you start getting a little bit older. You start saying, man,
Speaker 4: they gonna throw They're gonna throw their key away if
Speaker 4: I get in trouble, you know. So now it's like, Okay,
Speaker 4: whatever it is that I need to do to get
Speaker 4: myself through for these next couple of years, I need
Speaker 4: to I need to do it and be done.
Speaker 3: With it and try to work on football.
Speaker 4: Basketball. So you know, cause I played hoops too, but
Speaker 4: I just couldn't grow. I didn't, you know, y'all.
Speaker 3: When I saw y'all, I walked in.
Speaker 4: Like, because you know, when you play like I played it,
Speaker 4: I played against like stage bowls.
Speaker 3: Jake kidd all.
Speaker 4: Them wasn't tall, and but they wasn't tall. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. They was normal, y'all. For your job,
Speaker 4: I'm a huge job. Niggas all the Jey John y'all
Speaker 4: seven feet tall like, so when you start to look
Speaker 4: at it, I was small. I didn't have no handles,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. That I couldn't shoot. I
Speaker 4: could do everything else.
Speaker 3: I could defeend because I'm long, I could jump out
Speaker 3: the gym, but I couldn't do that. Guy. So I said,
Speaker 3: you know what, man, I'm gonna just play football because
Speaker 3: I know, at the end of the day, it's getting
Speaker 3: ready to be a real check.
Speaker 4: And so I said, you know, I'm gonna stop all
Speaker 4: the silliness, and this seis I'm a sinkle swim and
Speaker 4: that's how that's the true story. I said, I'm a
Speaker 4: sinkle swim and if I swim, it's gonna go down
Speaker 4: to a whole nother level, you know what I'm saying. Then,
Speaker 4: once it started hitting, I used.
Speaker 1: To day a chick from U c L A light skin,
Speaker 1: pretty too, pretty, diculous hair, the whole.
Speaker 3: Thing, everything bla blah blah. But she was from the Bay.
Speaker 1: Think about a whole different world, different minu talent.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: She told me Jack, I shouldn't play football. It's a
Speaker 4: modern day slavery, right, I looked at I can't. She's
Speaker 4: not doing what she's because.
Speaker 3: She the Bay here. You know, they independents and everything
Speaker 3: is an incense and all that I'm like, come on now,
Speaker 3: all that Stevie wonder every day in my house.
Speaker 4: Could be ridiculous, ridiculous. Everybody wanted her. I went, I
Speaker 4: went and got her, but everybody wanted it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: So at the end she tried to tell me I
Speaker 4: shouldn't play football because it's a modern day slavery.
Speaker 1: You have to give her back.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I can't. I ain't gonna be able to
Speaker 3: walk down out with this now because you you're tripping.
Speaker 3: You're telling me you want me to go do something different.
Speaker 3: This is my calling, you know, football is my calling,
Speaker 3: not nothing else. You're telling me go do something different.
Speaker 3: I'm get fifty years because that's all I know. What
Speaker 3: you want me to do. What you want me to do.
Speaker 1: What you want.
Speaker 3: She's not knowing other option. No, she don't know the
Speaker 3: other options. She's going to use to be a doctor
Speaker 3: and all that.
Speaker 4: I'm like, that's cool and everything, but I'm getting ready
Speaker 4: to hit pay her real soon.
Speaker 3: Believe it or that you know.
Speaker 1: Dorset High School, West LA College sc are true with
Speaker 1: all due respect, true true true LA legend. Who are
Speaker 1: some of the guys and we can get it. We
Speaker 1: can grab his bottle, just bring it in here, put
Speaker 1: it right on the table.
Speaker 3: Who are some other.
Speaker 1: Legends and guys you grew up with, the people may
Speaker 1: not know just straight La dudes that they really did
Speaker 1: a big at Dorsy is just in l A, just
Speaker 1: LA and like your era.
Speaker 4: Basketball I'll start with tremain folks. Chris Johnson, My man.
Speaker 3: I'm throwing a blank. Uh, I'm throwing the blank. Now,
Speaker 3: how the hell do I throw?
Speaker 1: Just now?
Speaker 3: No? No, my man, what's the name? You're gonna help
Speaker 3: me with him?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Not not the Bannies. What's his face?
Speaker 4: The basketball coach from Yukon, Kevin Kevin a league, So
Speaker 4: that was that was part of the basketball world. Then
Speaker 4: they had dudes like Ford, and there was some other cats.
Speaker 4: But then growing up along the way.
Speaker 3: Dry Strawberry, all them was was I was a puppy.
Speaker 3: But those were my big boys, Eric Davis and Daryl
Speaker 3: Strawberry and Chris Brown. Then those were the baseball cats
Speaker 3: that I grew up watching because I played baseball too,
Speaker 3: so I idolized them. Then in terms of football, you had,
Speaker 3: uh the late Chris Mills.
Speaker 4: Uh, Chris Mims that played for the Chargers, went to Dorsey,
Speaker 4: first round pick, played for a long time.
Speaker 3: Played in San Diego.
Speaker 4: Who else my teammates Lamont Warren played for the Indianapolis
Speaker 4: coach for a long time, and we had so many
Speaker 4: we had off my high school football team, we had
Speaker 4: twelve Seaman Shaw your boy was my college roommate. We
Speaker 4: stayed together in college and we went to high school together.
Speaker 4: But he went to U Seller I went to SC.
Speaker 4: But we were roomies. We had Man, it was a
Speaker 4: ton of it was It's so many. It's so many
Speaker 4: great athletes that came out of South Central LA. That's like,
Speaker 4: it's just crazy.
Speaker 3: It's just a ton of dudes. You know, I can't
Speaker 3: think of all the names off the top of my head.
Speaker 3: But it was a bunch.
Speaker 4: Not only that those dudes out in the valley that
Speaker 4: that was part of l A unified. The valley is
Speaker 4: watered down now like for public schools. It's just like
Speaker 4: I think the last I think, the last real go
Speaker 4: get her out of a public school might be guilt.
Speaker 4: Might be Gilbert right out of public school. Everybody else
Speaker 4: is kind of like private school suckers.
Speaker 2: For the most part, Boys in the hood predict a
Speaker 2: good picture of what a kid, Our kid grows up
Speaker 2: that wanted to go to SC, that living.
Speaker 4: Kelly's it's absolutely predicted. So you remember the highlight of
Speaker 4: Kevin Hicks. That was a real So it's Kevin Hicks.
Speaker 3: That was a real dude. It was nice. So what Jack,
Speaker 3: you know, how good our high school team. Was he
Speaker 3: checked out because he couldn't get on the field. Con't
Speaker 3: it on the field? We was that deep though, We
Speaker 3: was so Lamont want well.
Speaker 4: First off it was Bean O'Briant, then it was Lamont,
Speaker 4: then it was Kareem, which is with Charmanshaw at the time.
Speaker 3: Those are our backs, are running backs. Kevin had to
Speaker 3: leave and go to Crenshaw because he wasn't gonna get
Speaker 3: on the field at all, just wasn't.
Speaker 4: And he was legit, legit, and he wound up going
Speaker 4: to college and and and theny so much did he
Speaker 4: wind up get in trouble with spent the little pokey time.
Speaker 4: You know, he got a little got about twenty five years,
Speaker 4: not a little bit.
Speaker 3: A little bit a little bit, yeah, because it just
Speaker 3: you know, if it's sportsman, and if you're not in
Speaker 3: sports and entertainment and growing up in South LA, you
Speaker 3: either gonna you know, go to jail kill something because
Speaker 3: it's just crash of burn. You gotta figure it out.
Speaker 3: But we had we had some cats.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's some dudes. Favorite memory of that, see or
Speaker 1: just the time he was there outside of women.
Speaker 3: My wife would be watching this shoot you know, the big,
Speaker 3: even though you ain't got nothing to do. I didn't
Speaker 3: even know you.
Speaker 4: You were still in diapers thirty years ago, thirty years ago,
Speaker 4: still worried about what I'm doing. Then winning the road,
Speaker 4: really winning the Rose Boy graduating so well, it's it's
Speaker 4: an effect, right, It's like a It's like a trickle
Speaker 4: down effect. So I win the Rose Bowl, I get
Speaker 4: drafted number one. Overall, I have a crazy party at
Speaker 4: uh House of Blues.
Speaker 3: He was too young.
Speaker 4: You wasn't even in college yet. I don't think you
Speaker 4: went through. I think, Johnny, yeah, I think you did
Speaker 4: go on my draft board.
Speaker 3: I feel like you did.
Speaker 4: And then you graduate from school, something that most dudes
Speaker 4: and my position they not even gonna do.
Speaker 3: They're not even gonna think about it.
Speaker 4: So I had a draft party Jack at this spot
Speaker 4: I called Hossele Blues on Sunset. I don't even know
Speaker 4: if you was in LA at the time. The House
Speaker 4: Blues was still cracking, but it was like the spot.
Speaker 4: So I had about two thousand people at my draft party.
Speaker 4: I had anywhere from Dion Sanders to Tupac to you,
Speaker 4: just any and everybody.
Speaker 3: It was crazy. It was on a whole other level. No,
Speaker 3: it was. It was, man, it was, it was.
Speaker 4: It was so crazy that it was another So if
Speaker 4: you know La and you know Lociana, go let's call
Speaker 4: it Crescent Heights right there, if you know that stretch,
Speaker 4: they had to shut the whole stretch down because there
Speaker 4: was another three thousand people in the streets trying to.
Speaker 3: Get into the motherfucker. They couldn't get in because it
Speaker 3: was it was crazy. It was. It was like a
Speaker 3: whole other level, right. So that and then why I
Speaker 3: bring it up is because.
Speaker 4: At this time, it wasn't about tequila. It was the
Speaker 4: Voka craves, it was the Belve's and the Great Goose.
Speaker 4: I probably had a bottle of Great Goose of belvy.
Speaker 4: To myself, I think it was a goose.
Speaker 1: That was it.
Speaker 3: That was it. That was it. That was it was it.
Speaker 3: And I had a mid term the next day. So
Speaker 3: guess what I did.
Speaker 4: I left the hotel across the street. Nobody ever thought
Speaker 4: that I would go do in the midterm. I went
Speaker 4: and took the mid term. I swear to God on
Speaker 4: my daughter's grave, I didn't cheating nothing.
Speaker 3: B plus and the story still lives this day at
Speaker 3: the university because I didn't need to.
Speaker 4: I just hit PEINTERRM about thirty million from I could
Speaker 4: chill when I jumped in my Porsche went to school.
Speaker 3: Yeah I heard. Yeah, this was before of course, top down.
Speaker 1: Me.
Speaker 4: That's probably that's Lawrence Phillips. Coolio, you know that's Jim here.
Speaker 4: Cut everything right, ain't nothing changed? Wait hold on, let
Speaker 4: me see this. So now you just want to see pop.
Speaker 3: Man. Now what I'm gonna get there the boy you
Speaker 3: got problem, I'm gonna find I'm gonna find my part picture.
Speaker 3: Hold on the way. Man, I didn't even invite him.
Speaker 3: I didn't even invite him, Pride King.
Speaker 4: And so they summons me to the Foundation room because
Speaker 4: I'm running around hosting and you know everybody, they watching
Speaker 4: everybody perform and all that. They say, Man, d, I
Speaker 4: don't want to talk to you who you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying this man, Prime? He here, keep doing it.
Speaker 4: I ain't right, So okay, cool, So.
Speaker 3: I go up.
Speaker 4: Prime sitting in here in the found see sad Pride though,
Speaker 4: Pride got jewels on everything. Now that's like y'all meet
Speaker 4: Michael Jordan for the first time.
Speaker 3: Right. So I'm sitting there and I'm going dam that's Prime.
Speaker 3: I'm getting ready to go up against what year is this?
Speaker 3: This is in ninety six and so Prime, you know
Speaker 3: he he that dude. So I'm like, damn Prime.
Speaker 4: So I'm sitting there talking to But what he wanted
Speaker 4: to do was talk to me, educate me on the
Speaker 4: pitfalls and NFL what to look for, you know, just wanted.
Speaker 3: To be a bit. I'm like, man, this came. I
Speaker 3: didn't even write him, but he wanted to be there.
Speaker 3: He wanted to see.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's why him and I we like thick
Speaker 4: as thieves right now, you know, just because I appreciate
Speaker 4: that that that's that's something real.
Speaker 3: He didn't have to do that. No, not at all.
Speaker 4: Most dudes have been hating facts. They've been sitting the man,
Speaker 4: I'm trying to find this picture.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna find this picture for you. I know I
Speaker 3: got it in here somewhere. Man. You know, man, we was,
Speaker 3: we was, we was man, it was turned up. I
Speaker 3: can just tell you that it was here.
Speaker 1: Gright, oh, Sugar too, mc hamm and snoog, all of them,
Speaker 1: they all came through.
Speaker 3: They all came through because because but you gotta think
Speaker 3: think about it though. It's like you from sack, right,
Speaker 3: if you get drafted all sacked, that's how it was.
Speaker 1: I got drafted in l as a little different man.
Speaker 3: I'm you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It's like he wanted us, and he got all yeah,
Speaker 4: for sure, we get ready to we can ready turn
Speaker 4: it up and do our thing. And so for me,
Speaker 4: it was just like being able to see everybody there man,
Speaker 4: and and graduate from school and celebrate the thing.
Speaker 1: And that that's the yeah, the graduation you don't go
Speaker 1: to because like you said, he didn't have to do it.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't have to do need it. And then
Speaker 3: I fucked him up though completely though, you know, because USC,
Speaker 3: you know, you know people at USC, you know what.
Speaker 3: But that's how I came. You see, I got the
Speaker 3: kid take claw on at the graduation, so you know
Speaker 3: they really was like, what is this, HBC? What do
Speaker 3: you know? But that was just me. I just I
Speaker 3: moved to my own beat. I don't move to other
Speaker 3: people's beats.
Speaker 1: The damage you could have did in the n I
Speaker 1: I'm sure you did very well at us.
Speaker 4: See, to be honest with you, I didn't. People all
Speaker 4: say that, they all say the battle soon they as soon, man.
Speaker 4: I swear to God on my I put this on
Speaker 4: my daughter's Like, man, I probably at the most money
Speaker 4: I ever got out of the USC from from coaches
Speaker 4: or something total, probably two g's.
Speaker 1: That was it.
Speaker 3: They can give me nothing, nothing at all. I didn't
Speaker 3: I didn't have a fake job. I didn't do nothing.
Speaker 4: I didn't do none of that. Some dudes had the
Speaker 4: fake jobs. You know back then you can get the
Speaker 4: fake job. But they didn't give me nothing. And I
Speaker 4: made tons of money for the.
Speaker 3: University and the bigger the type of as big as
Speaker 3: a player you was. That's what everybody thought that they
Speaker 3: keep him home.
Speaker 4: I really, to be honest with you, I really didn't
Speaker 4: need nothing because my family, you know, they had a
Speaker 4: life for crime in the streets.
Speaker 3: So I was cool. I was good. I wasn't really tripping.
Speaker 3: You know. I didn't need nothing. I was right at
Speaker 3: the house.
Speaker 4: I get in my Honda court bound right down the
Speaker 4: street to Aunties, get some food if I needed to.
Speaker 3: I had my apartment whatever my mom was living in.
Speaker 3: So I was good.
Speaker 1: I wasn't really tripp So what could you have done
Speaker 1: in the nil world?
Speaker 3: They had to put me on le way.
Speaker 1: They couldn't afford them.
Speaker 3: They would have to put me on.
Speaker 1: Couldn't afford them that now they had to put me on.
Speaker 3: Real talk, I couldn't afford me so expensive. Can you
Speaker 3: could number one pick out of sc them dudes, Them
Speaker 3: dudes making like, you know, six million right now, they'd
Speaker 3: have been triple easy. Ought to have been so triple
Speaker 3: so easy. You know it was because back then.
Speaker 4: The shoe game wasn't what it is now, right, so
Speaker 4: they could actually sign with shoe companies in college.
Speaker 3: We couldn't do that back then.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm the first dude in the last dude
Speaker 4: in the NFL that played professional football. They have a
Speaker 4: lifetime deal with a didas most people get lifetime deals
Speaker 4: to play basketball, you know, you know Lebron and the
Speaker 4: type of dudes.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've been. I've been with Adidas since ninety six,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And I don't even play
Speaker 3: no more.
Speaker 4: But imagine if I could have struck a deal when
Speaker 4: I was in college. Oh if I was right now,
Speaker 4: Oh man, it'd be crazy.
Speaker 3: Oh be crazy.
Speaker 4: But my lifestyle was My lifestyle was good though, so
Speaker 4: I you know, I lived in Westwood, better fact, I
Speaker 4: lived in the Wilsher Manning on Wilshion Boulevard. Yeah, in between.
Speaker 4: It was crazy because I just my senior year in
Speaker 4: the whole OJ situation was crazy. I lived at the
Speaker 4: high rise in between this Barbieri chick that he was
Speaker 4: dating in ken Norton Junior.
Speaker 3: So I lived.
Speaker 4: I lived on like they were one one was above me,
Speaker 4: one was belobe. So I came out by apartment gooding
Speaker 4: one day on Wilshon. I don't know Wilshire, how crazy
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 3: I came home with apartment moving and I saw all
Speaker 3: these TV cameras and ship man my heart and drop.
Speaker 3: I thought they was there for me, but they was
Speaker 3: there trying to get to the girl because she had
Speaker 3: the relationship with OJ, and I didn't know. I was like,
Speaker 3: oh man man, probasic blew me up. The dude the
Speaker 3: doorman was like, noah, no, they here for old girl.
Speaker 4: They waiting on to try to catch her. I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: thank god, thank god. But no, they didn't pay me
Speaker 4: no money at all.
Speaker 3: I ain't getting nothing. I got a lot of perks,
Speaker 3: but I don't get the money.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I got to the apartments and you know, opportunity to
Speaker 3: drive a car stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all day long, all yeah, all day long. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because that's that's you know, that's Hollywood, this s C.
Speaker 3: You know, even U s l A. Dudes was coming
Speaker 3: to s C to hang out because U c l
Speaker 3: A was so weak and doing ship and you dude,
Speaker 3: hang out with us. They want to hang out with us.
Speaker 3: It was popping. Yeah, we was popping crack it. We
Speaker 3: was popping too.
Speaker 1: We just playing a different sport.
Speaker 4: Jelani McCord and they over there want a party in
Speaker 4: our campus. You said, like I tried to go to
Speaker 4: a party and you sell that.
Speaker 3: So weak us in the middle of the hood, USC,
Speaker 3: right in the middle of the hood, ain't it. Yeah right.
Speaker 4: I grew up across the street. I used to sit
Speaker 4: on top of our apartment and watch the baseball games.
Speaker 4: We used to sit on top of the buildings and
Speaker 4: watch the baseball game right across street.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, know's it was. It was cool being
Speaker 3: able to, you know, stay home and do that whatnot.
Speaker 1: As someone that.
Speaker 3: Jay rob he cool. Yeah, that's my man. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: my man.
Speaker 4: I can't wait to see Him'm gonna see him here soon,
Speaker 4: you know older now Jay Robb, John Robinson is a
Speaker 4: little bit older now, so you know you ain't got
Speaker 4: many days left.
Speaker 3: I want to se him before you check.
Speaker 1: Out, you know, as someone who's been through it and
Speaker 1: have children and hope they were able to go through it.
Speaker 3: Players are just.
Speaker 1: Awarded their ninth year of eligibility in college football. Thoughts
Speaker 1: on that, and on top of that, who got a
Speaker 1: war to nine? There's two players just gotta word their
Speaker 1: ninth year of eligibility in college Football's gonna go play
Speaker 1: for prime. He's gonna go get his years at Colorado.
Speaker 3: He's gonna be seriously the red zone receiver.
Speaker 1: But redone is twenty yards and he's only going to.
Speaker 2: He's gonna get me off. They're gonna throw it up
Speaker 2: one two downs. If I don't catch him going back
Speaker 2: to the sideline.
Speaker 3: Stop it, he'll be playing.
Speaker 5: No, we're serious, man, I think kill game, these dud
Speaker 5: These dudes playing nine years, bro, year No.
Speaker 3: Nine, nine is long. I've seen six. That's I've seen six. Six.
Speaker 3: I get no, you get five. But then it's so
Speaker 3: people you get you got hurt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you get the fifth year, but you got
Speaker 4: the COVID year two, the COVID years with everybody banking
Speaker 4: on and so they do their petitions to get that
Speaker 4: COVID year. I mean, at some point, but at some point, man,
Speaker 4: you ain't good.
Speaker 3: Sorry, dog, Okay, at some point you got go home.
Speaker 3: You didn't even catch COVID bro catch. At some point
Speaker 3: you just gotta go home. Yeah, you're just sorry, but
Speaker 3: you ain't got it. That's not your talented Somewhere else
Speaker 3: outside of sports, that's all not as well. Talk some
Speaker 3: some some dudes. You know, it's like the basketball.
Speaker 4: I hear it all times, you know, I follow hoops
Speaker 4: and whatnot, and and my guy some played basketball, and
Speaker 4: so I hear it all times.
Speaker 3: Oh my hold my son back, don't matter how many
Speaker 3: damn here, It don't matter. If he ain't good, he
Speaker 3: ain't good a good Oh they held him back two years. Man,
Speaker 3: he's not that dude ain't good. You held him back
Speaker 3: ten years. You see it, y'all, y'all know what I'm
Speaker 3: talking about. Hell, yeah, it's like, dud's not good. I'm
Speaker 3: blind to your boy. Yeah, you're shitting up talking about.
Speaker 3: I think I'm holding back so he can play fourteen.
Speaker 3: You man, the dude's not good. Man. They did him
Speaker 3: go to school, get him education and live life instead
Speaker 3: of living vicariously through your kids. We'll be sixteen and fourteen,
Speaker 3: you boys gonna be giving him thirty Oh god, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the that's you real talk. That's exactly what we happened.
Speaker 3: He said.
Speaker 1: At some point, you just gotta go home. Just gotta
Speaker 1: go take your ball and go home.
Speaker 4: Go take your ball and go. Imagine that, y'all. Don't
Speaker 4: play with the dudes. Dudes be so much older than it.
Speaker 1: But you gotta think, well, we were coming up, we
Speaker 1: played up. We would never go down ever, no matter whatever.
Speaker 3: No you go up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm eighth grade playing going across to play varsity.
Speaker 1: So it's just like you would never think to go down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they try to go down thinking that that's
Speaker 4: gonna allow them to chase Lebron. Stop Lebron James is
Speaker 4: different man. He was made in a factory. You know,
Speaker 4: they stop thinking that.
Speaker 1: Katy Williams is the real deal. And should the Bears
Speaker 1: take him at one?
Speaker 4: Man, to be honest with you mean, I think he
Speaker 4: is a good quarterback. I don't know that the bast
Speaker 4: should take him at one. You know, you want a
Speaker 4: dude to get as much money as he can get.
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, there's a lot
Speaker 4: of factors that fall into place. You go him going
Speaker 4: to Chicago replacing Justin Fields.
Speaker 3: Why you think that they got to replace Justin Fields
Speaker 3: because the ain't got got them coaches that know what
Speaker 3: they're doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this man, this man his third year, that had
Speaker 4: three office coordinators. How you two head coaches? How do
Speaker 4: you expect for him to ever with no help, no receivers?
Speaker 4: He just got DJ Moore, just got him. Y'all allowed
Speaker 4: roe Qwan Smith to go. Who played for Baltimore. Now
Speaker 4: y'all didn't resign him and give him his money Baltimore
Speaker 4: and said we'll take you traded for him, gave him
Speaker 4: his money. He getting ready to playing THENFC Championship game.
Speaker 4: But you want to act as though Justin Fields can't play.
Speaker 4: That's not that's so far from the truth. They just
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know, man. Sometimes these people that
Speaker 4: got this money just because you're a billionaire don't mean
Speaker 4: you know what the fuck you're doing.
Speaker 3: Just doesn't.
Speaker 2: The only team that we don't know who they coach
Speaker 2: is like you know the names of other coaches. Who
Speaker 2: is the fuckers they coach?
Speaker 3: Ib F but nobody. Look, nobody know that he was.
Speaker 3: He was a defensive coordinator for Indianapolis two years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 3: nobody don't know that. Yeah he.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: A lot goes in and people don't understand on the
Speaker 1: outside looking at his fans. A lot goes into where
Speaker 1: you're going as a star player.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you something, man, I was drafted the
Speaker 3: number one overall pick. I was the first. I was
Speaker 3: the queen of the ball right on fifteen. And I
Speaker 3: still balled out.
Speaker 4: You know, I balled out, But it was it was
Speaker 4: painful balling because I ain't never experienced that. I died
Speaker 4: with the heaven when I got Bill Parcells. You see
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It changed my life. Man. Oh, man, ooh, I get
Speaker 3: to work here, I get to do this. Now.
Speaker 4: Imagine if imagine if I didn't excel in football, Man,
Speaker 4: I'll be working at fucking ups or something.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. That's just the reality of it.
Speaker 4: Once you die, you go to heaven and you blessed
Speaker 4: by him who's the godfathering many people's eyes about how
Speaker 4: he conducts things. He puts you in the right position
Speaker 4: to make plays right. I mean, if you can knock
Speaker 4: down a three and they not letting you shoot it.
Speaker 4: What's the point if you can knock down threes and
Speaker 4: they lie, we don't want you. We just want you
Speaker 4: to pass the ball when you get across half court, Well,
Speaker 4: what the fuck am I doing here?
Speaker 3: As a cardboard cutout.
Speaker 4: That's what happens the players in the NFL is when
Speaker 4: they get to the wrong systems.
Speaker 3: Because when you're a high.
Speaker 1: Pick, that's sports in general, yo, any level sports of general.
Speaker 4: You get the wrong system, you're like, come on, man,
Speaker 4: that ain't I can't flourishing this system and to operate
Speaker 4: under these conditions, you know. So if they move on
Speaker 4: from him, I hope Pittsburgh gets him, Atlanta gets him.
Speaker 4: I hope he goes to one of them type of
Speaker 4: teams where all of us. I really hope Mike tom
Speaker 4: to get him out of anybody if they gonna move
Speaker 4: on from for Caleb and Calem's a good player. But
Speaker 4: what it is is the it's the the splash moments
Speaker 4: right the off schedule plays, he's running around, he's throwing
Speaker 4: the ball, doing some of that. Well, that's the same
Speaker 4: thing justin Fields is doing. But y'all are already soured
Speaker 4: on Justin Fields. You see what I'm saying, to go
Speaker 4: get Caleb. Caleb ain't used to playing in that type
Speaker 4: of weather. He doesn't understand in Chicago, man, you gotta
Speaker 4: have a strong arm. You gotta be stout, you gotta
Speaker 4: be It's a certain physicality that comes with playing in Chicago.
Speaker 3: I don't know that Caleb got that. I don't know that.
Speaker 4: And then on top of that, you're setting the franchise back.
Speaker 4: And what they like to say is we are changing
Speaker 4: the room for money to quarterback room because Justin Fields
Speaker 4: will be up in another year on it or or
Speaker 4: up for an extension. So you got to make a
Speaker 4: decision on whether or not you want to give him
Speaker 4: two hundred plus million dollars or whatever that number is
Speaker 4: gonna be. But if you move on from him, you
Speaker 4: get Caleb Williams. That now lessens the money that you
Speaker 4: gotta pay. But three four years from now, you're gonna
Speaker 4: be looking for another fucking quarterback. If that don't work and.
Speaker 3: Still could be a piece, you get another piece you
Speaker 3: could be adding from the draft.
Speaker 4: You keep just one hundred percent, man, You go get
Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison Junior. You can, if you can move down
Speaker 4: out of the one spot. It stayed within the top
Speaker 4: five and somehow figure out how to get Marvin Harrison Juniorston.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd rather have Marvin. I've just rather I've rather Marven.
Speaker 3: But but yes, another receiver. You can get that, plus
Speaker 3: office in line. You can build, you know, and you
Speaker 3: can build. But I don't know. Man, if I'm Caleb,
Speaker 3: I'm want to go Chicago anyway. It's a mess. You know.
Speaker 4: He need to go somewhere with a stable organization where
Speaker 4: the owner is good, the general managers good, and there's
Speaker 4: no uncertainty because it's uncertainty in Chicago.
Speaker 3: What was your combine experience? Like I I was, I
Speaker 3: was fresh, that's all.
Speaker 1: I remember.
Speaker 3: I had the gold chain on the big old three
Speaker 3: en diamonds. Now, I do I remember that, like me
Speaker 3: and my man Meek was talking about that the other day.
Speaker 3: We just it was a good experience. I mean, I
Speaker 3: didn't do much.
Speaker 1: You knew who else who else was in your draft
Speaker 1: that it was back and forth between you and somewhere.
Speaker 1: You were the clear cut number one the whole time
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: I was, I was.
Speaker 4: It was back and forward with me and Lawrence Phillips
Speaker 4: from nebrass could have running back. But just like anything,
Speaker 4: once you do to do diligence. Once they did, they
Speaker 4: do diligence. Shaq Harrison was like and Leon Hester owner,
Speaker 4: They was like, no, we can't. This is the guy,
Speaker 4: you know, period because when I went so when I
Speaker 4: went to the combine, you know, I did all the
Speaker 4: little drills and stuff. I wasn't I wasn't afraid to
Speaker 4: do nothing. And before they didn't even let you do
Speaker 4: two twenty five. Like you you couldn't lift weight. Receivers
Speaker 4: didn't lift weight to It was.
Speaker 3: For linebackers in line. So I just did the shit,
Speaker 3: just on some freak shit, just let you see what
Speaker 3: I can do.
Speaker 4: So I slid up under the two twenty five and
Speaker 4: bounced them off my chest like eighteen nineteen times and
Speaker 4: laughed at it, you know, and so they like, big, oh,
Speaker 4: we need this dude. And so in the interviews I
Speaker 4: did well. Obviously in the interviews and everything. It was
Speaker 4: good experience. Then they it was two the Wonderlick tests.
Speaker 4: I completely batched it because I just went in and
Speaker 4: just I mean I knew I was going one. So
Speaker 4: I just went in, but probably got the worst score
Speaker 4: in the history of the Wonder don't give a fuck
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, didn't give a fuck.
Speaker 3: And they knew it too.
Speaker 4: The New York Giants has a psychological evaluation test that
Speaker 4: they do. It's like, I want to say, man, it
Speaker 4: might be five hundred words or whatever you gotta you know,
Speaker 4: I told them take me off their board, said man,
Speaker 4: I'm not even gonna be there at the fifth pick.
Speaker 4: I said, I'm not taking y'all. They said, well, we're
Speaker 4: gonna Jeremiah. Jeremiah, the scout that had our area. He
Speaker 4: told me, says, if you don't tell my agent and me,
Speaker 4: he said, if he does not take the psychological evaluation tests,
Speaker 4: were taking him off the board. And so when he
Speaker 4: told me that too in the little area, I told him, said, many,
Speaker 4: I'm about to take off. I'm not gonna be there
Speaker 4: at five. It's not happening. I'm not even worried about it.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, you don't know these hate things.
Speaker 3: Miss me. Man. I'm good, I'm straight, So I'll go
Speaker 3: and do everything I was supposed to do.
Speaker 4: I bench I run fast, you know, I was at
Speaker 4: the time, I was about two twenty and I went
Speaker 4: like four four five and four four three. Uh yea
Speaker 4: four four five four fourth three. The first one I
Speaker 4: went four fourth three. The second when I went four
Speaker 4: four five and I broad jump was whatever. Eleven. It
Speaker 4: was like crazy numbers and shit vertical was in the
Speaker 4: thirty nine forty. It was like everything that you look at,
Speaker 4: you go. And I had a different personality too. So
Speaker 4: in going to New York, when New York made a
Speaker 4: decision to draft me, they wasn't just drafted a player.
Speaker 4: They was drafted the player to change the entire landscape
Speaker 4: of the franchise Meani. When I first got to New York,
Speaker 4: them negros was driving trucks and shit, I rolled up
Speaker 4: in the Ferrari. Next thing you know, they was wearing
Speaker 4: suits and rolexes and you don't see what I'm saying that.
Speaker 3: So my style rubbed off on them. Dudes.
Speaker 4: Oh it set the standard and my aggressive nature. That's
Speaker 4: just how I played football and how I approached it.
Speaker 4: I was all business, serious business with everything. That's how
Speaker 4: you become the number one pick.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 3: I didn't settle for mediocrity. It just wasn't.
Speaker 4: Man, We're not doing that. And so everybody look at that,
Speaker 4: they go, man crazy, like no, No, I'm not. It's
Speaker 4: just that I'm not accepting this as a standard in behavior.
Speaker 3: And then a year later.
Speaker 4: Winn the AFC Championship Game quarterback and my rookie year,
Speaker 4: I had a dude named Neil o'donald, Nil o'donald.
Speaker 1: He was in Pittsburgh. First right, keep him, but yeah,
Speaker 1: you could have kept you.
Speaker 4: Then I had Glynn Man. I played eleven seasons. I
Speaker 4: played with eighteen different quarterbacks. I ain't never had the
Speaker 4: same quarterback. See, these are the type of arguments you
Speaker 4: get into people or barbershop conversation with my dudes. I
Speaker 4: ain't never had the same quarterback two years in a row.
Speaker 4: In eleven season, I left the game because I didn't
Speaker 4: want to play anymore. I had accomplished so much, so
Speaker 4: fat I had Pro Bowls. You know, I ate Pineapper
Speaker 4: early in my career. Some of these dudes, they don't
Speaker 4: even understand that. They think the Pro Bowl is something
Speaker 4: now Like when we played, it was a real Pro Bowl.
Speaker 4: It was real tackling and hitting, and so I accomplished
Speaker 4: everything so early in my career.
Speaker 3: I got bored. I'm like, because I'm not. I wasn't
Speaker 3: never chasing greatness.
Speaker 4: My greatness was getting my mama up out them projects
Speaker 4: in an apartment building.
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: When we got to walk up them stairs and it
Speaker 4: go in and it's only one room and it's nine
Speaker 4: to ten people laying around.
Speaker 3: That was my goal.
Speaker 4: My goal wasn't the Hall of Fame jacket was none
Speaker 4: of that. Was about getting the bread to get my
Speaker 4: mommy what she needed. That's all I cared about.
Speaker 3: So a lot of people when they look at numbers
Speaker 3: and they look they the longer you played, the bigger
Speaker 3: your numbers gonna be. Everybody know that. You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Just look at the time spend that I spent.
Speaker 1: But more importantly, a consistent quarterback, especially for receiver.
Speaker 3: Think about it. If you had.
Speaker 4: A point guard passing you the ball with a I
Speaker 4: get to go on the clock and you're trying to shoot,
Speaker 4: how did you you all off?
Speaker 3: That's how it was for me were quarterback.
Speaker 4: Maybe you know the best one I ever had was
Speaker 4: Vinnie Testaverdy by far, and when I got Vinnie, Vinnie
Speaker 4: was a thousand years old when I got him, Vinnie
Speaker 4: might have been Vinnie might have been.
Speaker 3: Thirty seven at the time that I got and then
Speaker 3: I got him a second time in Dallas. You see
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So I never started a season with the same quarterback
Speaker 4: and ended with that dude except one year. That was
Speaker 4: it because every year, even when I had Brad those
Speaker 4: two years, Brad wasn't there consistent.
Speaker 3: He was in and out, in and out, in and out.
Speaker 3: But I don't complain.
Speaker 4: You know, I tell people all the time, it's only
Speaker 4: two people, two people that I would trade my career for.
Speaker 4: Two That's it, Jerry Rice and Michael Ervin. I'm the
Speaker 4: only two dudes that I would trade my career for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Brad Johnson, Sean King.
Speaker 4: And I had Sean King and Brad Johnson, Rob Johnson
Speaker 4: and Brad Johnson. Then I got Quincy Carter with Dallas,
Speaker 4: and then I got but it was Brad and Sean
Speaker 4: for the Super Bowl team, right it was now it
Speaker 4: was I don't even know Sean was on the team.
Speaker 4: Sean was on the team but didn't play. Rob Johnson
Speaker 4: was the number two, and I think I think I'm
Speaker 4: trying to think. I think Sean was the three. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he was the three. Yeah, So you know I had
Speaker 4: them basically in Tampa them three quarterbacks. Then I got
Speaker 4: the Dallas. I started with Quincy Carter. Then they bringing
Speaker 4: me Vinnie Vinnie.
Speaker 3: You know, he looked like you. He got great beers
Speaker 3: and shit so old as hell.
Speaker 4: So but he was still good. He was still serviceable.
Speaker 4: Then I got Blacksoe. No, then I had Drew Henson.
Speaker 1: M I should have went to baseball.
Speaker 4: He did, got a baseball. I couldn't hit the curved ball.
Speaker 4: And then he had to come back to football. Then
Speaker 4: I had Drew Blatsoe.
Speaker 3: Then I leave there.
Speaker 4: I go to Carolina. In one year, I played with
Speaker 4: four different quarterbacks in Carolina. In one year, I had
Speaker 4: Jake DeLong, Chris Winky, some other dude than some other dude.
Speaker 4: So I couldn't catch a break, you know, But I
Speaker 4: ain't no complaining. I can't complain at the end of
Speaker 4: the day because guess what, as long as the check's clear.
Speaker 3: Men at the end of the day. Oh man.
Speaker 4: I tell people all time saying, man, the only two
Speaker 4: dudes I trade my career for the only reason why,
Speaker 4: because Jerry's the greatest ever do it to. Michael Verman
Speaker 4: was as cold blood as they come. That's why he
Speaker 4: got the nickname the Playmaker, and he got three Super
Speaker 4: Bowl rings. Other than that, I don't other dudes, I
Speaker 4: don't care about nobody else in the statistics and all
Speaker 4: that means nothing to me zero, But I bet you
Speaker 4: a lot of them would love to have my post
Speaker 4: career talk.
Speaker 3: So I'm just saying, what.
Speaker 2: Was your welcome to the NFL moment he wise or
Speaker 2: what like period? What was your when you when you
Speaker 2: got to the NFL? What was the moment like, damn,
Speaker 2: I'm here.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like you came on you. You
Speaker 1: was good on the life side. What was your field
Speaker 1: NFL Welcome to the NFL.
Speaker 4: Move AFC AFC Divisional game. AFC Divisional game against Jacksonville
Speaker 4: was my first playoff game. That's when I knew this
Speaker 4: shit getting maybe be easy, because when you look at it,
Speaker 4: I dominated the game to a whole another level, like
Speaker 4: something you ain't never seen before. I scored a touchdown there,
Speaker 4: I ran one on the ground, I caused it for
Speaker 4: a recovery fum and got an interception, and in a
Speaker 4: playoff game of a team that hadn't been in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: For like a hundred years.
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying. They hadn't been to the
Speaker 3: playoffs forever.
Speaker 4: So to me, it was like that moment against Jacksonville
Speaker 4: because I from the start to finish I just dominated. Now,
Speaker 4: all year long, I was dominated, but that particular game,
Speaker 4: the world got to see what the talent really was about.
Speaker 3: So to me, that was like, like, yeah, I'm here
Speaker 3: to stay. They ain't gonna they can't. They can't, they
Speaker 3: ain't gonna be able to do.
Speaker 4: That would be you know, if I had a quarterback, Man,
Speaker 4: if I had it, if I had a QB five
Speaker 4: years in a row, just give me one for five years.
Speaker 3: In a row.
Speaker 4: All these other dudes running around with these quarterbacks on
Speaker 4: a consistent basis, give me one for five years in
Speaker 4: a row and see what I can do. Because I
Speaker 4: in my numbers in terms of like when I retired
Speaker 4: numbers wise, there was only like one or two people
Speaker 4: in the Hall of Fame with better numbers than me
Speaker 4: when I retire.
Speaker 3: Now everybody in.
Speaker 4: Pass me now because that's just the way it goes.
Speaker 4: But if I had one quarterback for four or five
Speaker 4: years in a row and these dudes be out there
Speaker 4: complaining about getting the ball, I'm like, man, come on, man,
Speaker 4: stop it.
Speaker 3: They paying you a lot. Give me Patrick Mahomes, Just
Speaker 3: give me. Give me Patrick mahoonmes for a couple of years.
Speaker 3: I'm show you I can do.
Speaker 4: I'll show you what I can do. But you know
Speaker 4: you can't control that. You just got to do what
Speaker 4: the best you could do and how you do it.
Speaker 4: But that was my moment right there was that that
Speaker 4: playoff game.
Speaker 1: Did you have any rookie duties coming in at the
Speaker 1: number one pick? Missed me with all that?
Speaker 3: You really want to know the truth, Matt?
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like, but yeah, I want to
Speaker 1: know it.
Speaker 3: Couldn't tell me shit. Yeah, So so check this out though.
Speaker 4: So when I get there, the Jets and the rookie
Speaker 4: they want you to sing and do all that. You know,
Speaker 4: the first thing I told them I didn't get drafted
Speaker 4: to sing. I got drafted to play football. And if
Speaker 4: any of you motherfuckers touched me, we're gonna have some
Speaker 4: real issues because you know, he's gonna tie you up
Speaker 4: and they gonna just say, man, you can ask any
Speaker 4: of my teammates that was with me. They'll tell you
Speaker 4: to say bullshit because I wasn't playing, you know, I wasn't.
Speaker 4: I just wasn't messing. I wasn't my mind when I
Speaker 4: went to New York. It was about conquering New York
Speaker 4: and turning this team into something.
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying. I went from one to
Speaker 3: fifteen to AFC Championship.
Speaker 4: Game a year later. So you sit there and you go,
Speaker 4: this is this is why I'm here. I'm here to
Speaker 4: play football and win at a certain level, not to
Speaker 4: play around and be dancing and going and get donuts
Speaker 4: and ship.
Speaker 3: Man ain't got time for all that. And some people
Speaker 3: were rubbing the wrong way. He ain't following it. Okay,
Speaker 3: keep it moving, y'all. Get over it, Go get done,
Speaker 3: Go get popeyees chicken. Like what, I'm the wrong I
Speaker 3: can the wrong one. I'm the wrong one, you know.
Speaker 3: But all my teammates though except Sap fat ass hate now.
Speaker 3: He the only one. Everybody else loved me. He the
Speaker 3: only one.
Speaker 4: That's some jealousy though, that's all that. That's just that's
Speaker 4: the pure jealousy. That's the only thing that is. You know,
Speaker 4: Just stay in your lane, that's all.
Speaker 3: You gotta do. Mind your business, leave me alone, keep
Speaker 3: my name out of your mouth for we good. How
Speaker 3: long your home? How long, your sap, I've been beefing, bro,
Speaker 3: how long has he been beefing with you? Why would
Speaker 3: I what's the issue? What's the issue? Thing I could
Speaker 3: point to is my looks. That's the only thing I
Speaker 3: realpoint to.
Speaker 4: That's the only I could just point to my looks
Speaker 4: and how I get down. You see what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: That's the only thing I can think of, because I
Speaker 4: ain't never, I ain't never had no problem with him.
Speaker 4: See the type of thing I like man, I like him,
Speaker 4: I greet him, I hugg him, I do all that
Speaker 4: when I sing, and a problem with you, he got
Speaker 4: a problem with me. You see what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 4: I don't have no none. I saw him at the
Speaker 4: Colorado USC game. He won't take selfie with me, and
Speaker 4: then a day later he go and trash me to
Speaker 4: the like what so then I had to then I
Speaker 4: had to take the proper the etiquette and approach him
Speaker 4: in a very different manner there, mister Jackson.
Speaker 3: You know I had to do. I had to gut
Speaker 3: him a different way. I had to gut him a
Speaker 3: different way.
Speaker 4: Very I would particulate, very articularly, very stute of me
Speaker 4: to you know, I just hit him real quick with
Speaker 4: a because he it was no need too.
Speaker 3: But I don't know, to be honest with you, jack Man,
Speaker 3: I don't even know. I have no I like, why
Speaker 3: you don't like me? What did I do? That's why
Speaker 3: I asked both of y'all.
Speaker 4: But but but you know how it is when you
Speaker 4: move a certain way. You see what I'm saying. When
Speaker 4: you move a certain way, people got a problem.
Speaker 3: With how you move. I get that too. You get that.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I move a certain way
Speaker 3: when I walk in the room. The room moves a
Speaker 3: certain way. So some people have a problem. So when
Speaker 3: I first got there, they gave me I don't know
Speaker 3: what it was.
Speaker 4: It's sixty something million whatever, about sixteen of it upfront,
Speaker 4: the whole deal. So that immediately, well him, you see
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, him, not people him, because the room
Speaker 4: moves different.
Speaker 3: You know how I go.
Speaker 4: It's like, I don't know, I'm trying to think with
Speaker 4: certain people walk in the room. No matter who you with,
Speaker 4: Tiger Woods walks in the room, no matter what you
Speaker 4: think about it, the room gonna feel different. And so
Speaker 4: when I walk in the locker room, you know our
Speaker 4: locker room's offense on one side, defenses on another. That's
Speaker 4: just how the locker rooms are. But the defense all
Speaker 4: of a sudden starting to hang out on the offensive
Speaker 4: side because it's a certain person is in the room.
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying. I don't need to try
Speaker 4: to one up you. I'm already up on you just
Speaker 4: because it's me. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So now you take an issue with me for no
Speaker 3: reason at all. You see what I'm saying, because you
Speaker 3: can't move like me, So you creating a fictitious negativity
Speaker 3: in your mind to hate on me for no reason
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 1: He was he was treating He was treating like he
Speaker 1: was like skinned. Now you said, welcome to the club.
Speaker 3: Now you see.
Speaker 4: My best friend, one of my best friends, my lawyer,
Speaker 4: one of my lawyers, he like, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: We get hated on a lite for no reason. That's
Speaker 4: why I'm saying, you guys, get look at it.
Speaker 1: He don't want to admit it. He don't want to
Speaker 1: admit it.
Speaker 3: He yellow for sure. My kids is like my kids
Speaker 3: they call me they they did that, uh twenty three
Speaker 3: and me and all that they know. I just want
Speaker 3: to do it. I don't care, but they all did it.
Speaker 3: They got all this different stuff.
Speaker 4: So my daughter comes back with a trace of Nigeria
Speaker 4: in her right, so they at wanna say I'm from Nigeria.
Speaker 3: Now that's just like crazy though, you know, it's like
Speaker 3: I mixed kids and they just crazy as all out door.
Speaker 4: But yeah, SAT don't eat you man, I bless ing man.
Speaker 4: I just I hope things work out for him. That's
Speaker 4: all I can say. I can't, you know, That's about all.
Speaker 3: I think he's opposed to. But I think they might
Speaker 3: have ran into a little bit of a snag. You know,
Speaker 3: hopefully hopefully that worked out. Hopefully hopefully that worked, hopefully
Speaker 3: worked out.
Speaker 4: But I think they ran into a little I read
Speaker 4: something yesterday that there's there is a little bit of
Speaker 4: a snag possibly holding holding the whole thing up with prime.
Speaker 3: But I think they'll get through it because I like
Speaker 3: Look man, I genuinely like him. Helped me win the
Speaker 3: Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: I tell I tell people all time, it's one of
Speaker 4: the best fucking defensive tackles I've ever seen. Flight I
Speaker 4: watched him, But the mother fucker crazy, that's all. He's
Speaker 4: just like, there's no need to always have this this, this, this,
Speaker 4: this stain from me. I ain't done nothing. Ain't you
Speaker 4: sleep with your wife or nothing?
Speaker 3: Man? What you what? You mad at me for it?
Speaker 3: Leave me alone? I didn't break up your family, Like
Speaker 3: leave me alone. But he just you know, that's all
Speaker 3: I say. I I don't know what else to say,
Speaker 3: you know. And then when we get into it, all
Speaker 3: the other Brooks and them, they texted me, They're like, man,
Speaker 3: leave that. Dude. Ain't done nothing. Yeah, you ain't done
Speaker 3: thath what you made? Be the bigger man kid.
Speaker 4: I'm like, man, I just had enough of him when
Speaker 4: I had to get at him though, because I know
Speaker 4: you let shit go for a long time.
Speaker 3: You don't say nothing, just.
Speaker 4: Like I don't even but it's been going on for
Speaker 4: so long, so long. Then he went to Jason Woodlock
Speaker 4: and that and that whole thing, and I saw it.
Speaker 4: Somebody sent it to me. That's dude, I said, I
Speaker 4: got it on your trip.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I just had to just real quick, you know, real,
Speaker 3: just real quick, just nice and easy. He felt it,
Speaker 3: definitely felt it. Uh. You matched up with Dion early
Speaker 3: on early early was he was he still prime or
Speaker 3: you was just like that at the time. No, I
Speaker 3: was like that, but he was Prime. He still was Prime.
Speaker 4: I caught a ball on him and I spent to
Speaker 4: the outside and I thought I was gone. Most people
Speaker 4: nine ten out, it's over. And I looked up and
Speaker 4: the dude when I spent on him outside, I think
Speaker 4: I stiffed. I kind of like pushed off on him
Speaker 4: and I hit the side. I hit the scene I do.
Speaker 4: It was like the work come here because he soaked
Speaker 4: damn fast.
Speaker 3: You know, he just and he big too. He's not small.
Speaker 3: People don't realize how big Prime is. Prime is.
Speaker 4: It was crazy. And then I played against him in Washington.
Speaker 4: When he went to Washington. I saw him with the
Speaker 4: Cowboys and I saw him with Washington.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: I had just signed with Tampa Bay, just signed. We
Speaker 4: played Washington the first preseason game.
Speaker 3: Was it him and dal Green? Still yeah Green? Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: he uh. He grabbed They threw a ball to me.
Speaker 4: Shine threw a ball, climbed the ladder to go get it,
Speaker 4: and he snapped and when he grabbed me, he pulled
Speaker 4: me down, twisted up my whole knee and everything. I
Speaker 4: thought I tore my acl everything, but I did. I
Speaker 4: just twisted up and I didn't play rest of the game,
Speaker 4: but he was like he was all panicked.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm good, but he Prime was Prime was agit.
Speaker 3: I mean what you're gonna say. He was a coach.
Speaker 3: Dorug Gring was good too. Gr Gring was just too
Speaker 3: small for me.
Speaker 1: Fast, super fast.
Speaker 3: I had to blocking one time. Well I caught balls
Speaker 3: on him, but I had to blocking.
Speaker 4: I felt so bad because he was smaller than me
Speaker 4: that I didn't even I respected him like I could have.
Speaker 3: Like if it would have been any of these other dudes,
Speaker 3: if you, oh man, i'd have ran him to the water.
Speaker 3: But but him, I did. I just kind of like, God,
Speaker 3: I ain't even gonna do you like this. You're older, and.
Speaker 1: This was you about six four league. Yeah, yeah as
Speaker 1: a receiver.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I wasn't a fat two twenty. I was
Speaker 4: ripped up, like because they like to say, monkey man
Speaker 4: looking crazy. He didn't even look right. Yeah, ripped up
Speaker 4: because you're working hard. You know, we ain't sitting up
Speaker 4: here drinking with y'all and doing all that. I'm I
Speaker 4: didn't even really start drinking probably the middle to the
Speaker 4: end of my career. I never used to drink go
Speaker 4: to the go to the clubs and hang out and
Speaker 4: stuff like that. Never would never would drink. Let all
Speaker 4: the homies them drink or whatever, and then we'll figure
Speaker 4: it out later on.
Speaker 2: Uh, you stepped in the league with your own shoe.
Speaker 2: What do you remember vividly about the Adidas process?
Speaker 3: So this is crazy, man, this is this is this
Speaker 3: is a little crazy, right, bottle gun. Yeah, I told
Speaker 3: you I was gonna finish it. The crazy, the crazy
Speaker 3: thing about it. So check this out.
Speaker 4: So in nineteen ninety six, the shoe darling of the world,
Speaker 4: Sonny vic Carol, Yes, right, yes.
Speaker 3: So I go to sc We're Nike school. So what
Speaker 3: I do for the Rose Bowl National audience and everything
Speaker 3: is I covered my Nike shoes with these black sleeves
Speaker 3: that equipment manager made for me because I knew that
Speaker 3: I was gonna sign with Adidas right after the game.
Speaker 3: So I didn't give them. I'm the MVP two twenty whatever,
Speaker 3: rosebull Holder. They get nothing out of me, Nike, so
Speaker 3: you know, they pissed. So me and Sonny we signed.
Speaker 4: Everybody said we signed up a date they do the
Speaker 4: deal with So now I think about a week later,
Speaker 4: we're going to Portland, but guess who with me going
Speaker 4: to Portland?
Speaker 3: Kobe Bryant. So me and Kobe are on the flight
Speaker 3: together on a private jet going up to Oregon.
Speaker 4: So you know how you always do something. They every
Speaker 4: time you do something, somebody got something for you to sign.
Speaker 4: When you're doing it, it's like, oh, you know, just
Speaker 4: a couple of our sponsors we want you to sign.
Speaker 3: So it's like a stack of U pictures and stuff.
Speaker 3: It's probably like about thirty of them he had to sign.
Speaker 3: He is, I had to sign hot. So I'm over there.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm like high school you know, I'm like,
Speaker 4: it's Kobe Bryant though right now that you think about it,
Speaker 4: but I'm like high school kid act.
Speaker 3: So now I'm over there signing. He done. He looked
Speaker 3: at me, go whatch doing? Man?
Speaker 4: I said, I'm still signing my savings. She says, you signed,
Speaker 4: let me see it. So I'm writing key Shan Johnson
Speaker 4: number three. So that's all day, right, He go bed.
Speaker 3: He said to me, said, there's only one Keyshan, just
Speaker 3: like there's only one Kobe. He goes, Kobe eight. That's
Speaker 3: how I.
Speaker 4: Changed my signature to just Keishin because of that moment,
Speaker 4: so we go up to Portland when we do the
Speaker 4: whole thing, and they roll out the presentation and here's
Speaker 4: what we're gonna do signature shoe, and here's the clothes
Speaker 4: and here's the gear and all that what you like,
Speaker 4: and so we meet with the team of people and
Speaker 4: they put everything together and then you just sign off
Speaker 4: on it.
Speaker 3: He the only one went that way to Nike.
Speaker 2: Because remember, like you said, you mean to a, DDA
Speaker 2: said didas Yeah, I mean because Sony mc carroll had him,
Speaker 2: Tim Thomas and Jamaine on this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all supposed to come out of high school that year. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And so that's how I learned to sill my signature
Speaker 4: because the first of it was all Keishan Johnson and
Speaker 4: Keshan john Yeah. It was all day because I'm like,
Speaker 4: you know, he finished so fast, but this was just
Speaker 4: Kobe Hey and then I was like showing me.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, cool, I'm changing mind up too.
Speaker 3: I was crazy, right is. I shot my first commercial
Speaker 3: with him ever, the whole thing shot my first commercial.
Speaker 1: Huh talked to us about that commercial.
Speaker 3: Man. It was the it was the ESPN. It was
Speaker 3: an ESPN commercial. They called it, uh school. It was
Speaker 3: like school, but so it was. It was it was
Speaker 3: Stu Scott, me, him and Kenny Main I think it was.
Speaker 1: I think that's who it was.
Speaker 4: And so we did it in Bristol and they was
Speaker 4: teaching us, basically media school, how to talk to the media,
Speaker 4: because we were supposed to come in and just be
Speaker 4: like we were soft kids basically at the end of
Speaker 4: the day, and they wanted us to be out, you know,
Speaker 4: like fuck that they blew the call, you know, at
Speaker 4: the press conference, and we was just like, you know,
Speaker 4: sitting there like it was a nice call, you know,
Speaker 4: and they wanted us to be more aggressive with it.
Speaker 4: It was cool though, it was a it was a
Speaker 4: it was of course, it's probably one of the best
Speaker 4: commercials they ever made. Eight Yeah, but it's crazy. It's
Speaker 4: just it's crazy that when you look back at it
Speaker 4: and you look at him and you look at me, man,
Speaker 4: we look like toothpicks.
Speaker 3: It's so skinny. It's just all young as hell. It was.
Speaker 4: So it was and uh, they came to play the
Speaker 4: Knicks his rookie year, and this was at a time
Speaker 4: in the NBA y'all experience, because y'all played where the
Speaker 4: teams would have two and three and four Knights in
Speaker 4: that town to stay, and he was eighteen years old.
Speaker 3: He wanted to go to the Chinae Club with me,
Speaker 3: so I'm like, okay, we'll go out. Dude came with
Speaker 3: the high school I d they weren't gonna let y
Speaker 3: me in. You know, I'm like, come on, Cole. I
Speaker 3: was trying to work by magic, but they just was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: let happened. He came with his high school ID.
Speaker 1: In New York.
Speaker 2: After you left the Jets, signed with the Bucks, become
Speaker 2: the highest paid, receiving the league eight years, fifty six million.
Speaker 3: How was that feeling? It was cool?
Speaker 4: It was it was to be honest with you, I
Speaker 4: really didn't trip on the money because I had already
Speaker 4: gotten money from my rookie deal on.
Speaker 3: The league though. Yeah if that lasted the fucking year.
Speaker 3: Moss came right behind. Yeah, yeah, but no, it was cool.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying to you about you're gonna get
Speaker 3: that right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that Hey factored in there. You know, you the
Speaker 4: highest paid at your position. So typically when you the
Speaker 4: highest paid, that means you the guy. They not paying
Speaker 4: you the most money unless you the god. So when
Speaker 4: they traded it for me. I probably could have got
Speaker 4: more out of them, but I got tired of negotiating.
Speaker 4: I could have probably I bet you we could have
Speaker 4: gotten the five million out of them. But I told
Speaker 4: my agent, I told you m I said, man, let
Speaker 4: me done.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm I'm happy this is. You know, I don't
Speaker 3: need to set the set it so high because somebody
Speaker 3: gonna pass me anyway.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It was one of the negotiations where you know, parcels
Speaker 4: when they first said they was gonna trade me because
Speaker 4: I because originally I wanted the Jets to redo my deal,
Speaker 4: but I had two years left on my contract.
Speaker 3: They wasn't gonna do it. So I just told my agent,
Speaker 3: I said, just telling I'm gona stay home, man, I'm done.
Speaker 3: Ain't gonna pay fotball and mom, I'm just gonna go
Speaker 3: back to school and just finish up master's degree or whatever.
Speaker 3: And he delivered the message to him and told her
Speaker 3: he said he just ain't gona play football. He good,
Speaker 3: you know. And then I came back.
Speaker 4: I said, you know what, I'm gonna get my credited season.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna come in six games left in the year.
Speaker 4: I'm be three hundred and fiftyounds. Y'all gonna give you
Speaker 4: my credit season. I'mna hit free agency anyway, So y'all
Speaker 4: make the decision.
Speaker 3: So Bill, Bill like, I'm.
Speaker 4: Not coaching right now. Because he stepped down. Bill said,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna trade. You said, okay, Well what's happening?
Speaker 3: He said, well, I got I got Green Bay. Baby, man,
Speaker 3: I'd go play with far him. I'm like, I don't
Speaker 3: want to live in Green Bay.
Speaker 4: You know how much the ticket prices will be coming
Speaker 4: in and out of there for people to visit with me.
Speaker 4: I gotta import export the import. They go crazy in
Speaker 4: Green Bay. So I said, no, I ain't doing it.
Speaker 4: So then it was Baltimore. They had the fourth pick.
Speaker 4: He said, you want to go to Baltimore. I said,
Speaker 4: I don't want to go to Baltimore. They don't pass
Speaker 4: the ball. So he said, here's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 4: I got two number ones in Tampa Bay.
Speaker 3: So I said, damn. They did just lose to the Rams.
Speaker 3: My man BK is down there, my teammate. You know what.
Speaker 3: Let me get on the phone. So I called b K.
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, So I started asking him questions about
Speaker 4: the team and the city and stuff. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: So I went back to my agent told him, say,
Speaker 4: I'll go to Tampa. So then we meet with the
Speaker 4: general manager here in la at four Seasons. It's so
Speaker 4: crazy because Rich McKay was sitting with us at at lunch.
Speaker 4: The owner of the Giants was in the corner, but
Speaker 4: he didn't know what we was there for.
Speaker 3: You know, he was like, damn. We walked in.
Speaker 4: He was like, damn, the Giants on the here Steve Tish,
Speaker 4: but he didn't know what he was doing. And then
Speaker 4: you know, it was negotiating. And so my agent said, hey,
Speaker 4: let's just fly to Orlando and go hang out with
Speaker 4: B Shaw and them down in Orlando, because he was
Speaker 4: repping b at the time. And he said, let's go
Speaker 4: hang out with be in Orlando, and I'll go and
Speaker 4: drive into Tampa and negotiate with them and let them
Speaker 4: know you around the corner.
Speaker 3: They don't want you to get out of here because
Speaker 3: if you that close and they smell you, they gonna
Speaker 3: want to taste you. So get it done. So we
Speaker 3: did it. Got it done.
Speaker 4: I brought suit, you know, tie and shit, phone ain't
Speaker 4: stopped bringing sense. I mean, what you know, you say, well,
Speaker 4: what was it like? It was like the lottery.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know the feelings. I ain't never
Speaker 4: won the lottery, but it's like hitting the lottery.
Speaker 3: I went and bought me a rag bought.
Speaker 1: By Benley a Zoor ben Zor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was only at the time it was
Speaker 2: a notch Tea's and ben Leys I had the I.
Speaker 3: Had to white with the tan in tier.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: But what happened was Mike Tyson, John Horn and Roy
Speaker 4: Holloway had Chris.
Speaker 3: Mills. They all had ragazoos. He were the only ones
Speaker 3: in La right, and it was all you know. They
Speaker 3: had the rims under the whole thing, and three one
Speaker 3: oh was popping there, popping. So I uh, I said, man,
Speaker 3: they gave me a fourteen boy, I don't know, fourteen
Speaker 3: fifteen million dollars check whatever it was. I'm giving me
Speaker 3: a damn biley because that's how I am. I'm spontaneous
Speaker 3: when i want something. I don't treat myself. I'm like
Speaker 3: a bum. As you can tell. I got a little
Speaker 3: sweats on whatever. I never buy myself anything. I uh said,
Speaker 3: I'm giving me a zoo. So I called. I called
Speaker 3: Mark from three to one.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 4: I said, Man, I need to give me a belly.
Speaker 4: Dog said you want to give Biley said yeah, give
Speaker 4: me a Bentley, give me a Porsche, and get me
Speaker 4: a RAG sixty three.
Speaker 3: And I'm good. And so then they got it for me.
Speaker 3: I drove that thing for in Tampa. Man, I never
Speaker 3: used to drive it.
Speaker 4: When I sold it, it had like a thousand miles
Speaker 4: on it because I never used to drive it. I
Speaker 4: just felt like I wanted to treat myself. But that's
Speaker 4: how it was, you know, I just wanted to treat myself.
Speaker 4: Give me all three, I said, give me all three.
Speaker 3: What changed when Gruden showed up? Man, you know, John,
Speaker 3: it's interesting that you asked me that. Jack. So I
Speaker 3: went to the touch game when they so we played Philly.
Speaker 3: They fired Dungee.
Speaker 4: After I get back to Tampa, I jump on the
Speaker 4: jet and go to to New England because I'm friends
Speaker 4: with Belichick. Belichick coached me in in New York. Like
Speaker 4: that's like, I'm good friends with him. So I go,
Speaker 4: I sit in Belichick's box whatnot. And I wanted to
Speaker 4: see because it was the noise. Because Parcelles was supposed
Speaker 4: to come. Bill was actually supposed to come to Tampa,
Speaker 4: but he decided not to at the eleventh hour.
Speaker 3: So now.
Speaker 4: The Gruden noise is starting to come. So I flew
Speaker 4: my ass to New England in the snow to watch.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to see what his you know, peep him.
Speaker 3: And check him out. So I checked it. My friend said, okay,
Speaker 3: I can. I think I could. I could work with him.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm sitting up in the box. I'm just
Speaker 3: checking it out. Like so then when we hire him,
Speaker 3: I'm meeting whatever.
Speaker 4: But I instantly peeped him, you see what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 4: I peeped him way before everybody else. And when you're
Speaker 4: the first at doing something and you check somebody out,
Speaker 4: people tend to be.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, the coach is right, the player ain't right.
Speaker 3: You're right because you're challenging authority in most people's eyes
Speaker 3: that don't understand the story.
Speaker 4: And I used to just you know, check you out
Speaker 4: the bullshit. You know, over and all, we're gonna get
Speaker 4: you off. We're gonna make sure you get these rocks.
Speaker 4: You're gonna get the touches.
Speaker 3: Practice you like a dog to your tongue, can't hang
Speaker 3: out your mouth for come game time, he call him bullshit.
Speaker 3: So now you like here.
Speaker 4: So then you got dudes on the team that's cool
Speaker 4: with him that he go to with me to talk
Speaker 4: to me because he can't talk to me.
Speaker 3: He gotta go through them, so they ain't telling me.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, like, oh, say, gonna get
Speaker 3: you off this week? Da da da dah. So we
Speaker 3: played Minnesota. K Mack is hurt.
Speaker 4: JoJo's hurt. Everybody heard. I'm in a long ranger out there.
Speaker 4: So now he got to feed me.
Speaker 3: So they fed me.
Speaker 4: They fed me, I don't know, a couple touchdowns whatever
Speaker 4: they fed me. So I'm sitting there, I'm saying to myself,
Speaker 4: you feed me because you have to. You can do
Speaker 4: this all the time if you wanted to, only because
Speaker 4: you have to. So he was always slick with his tongue,
Speaker 4: but I never would say anything. I just wouldn't even.
Speaker 3: Pay me no attention. So what day y'all a laugh
Speaker 3: at y'all gonna think I'm certified crazy.
Speaker 4: So I'm standing right here. Coach man is standing here,
Speaker 4: My man, Reggie Barlow is standing here. So he walks
Speaker 4: over to me. Know our coaches do they come over
Speaker 4: to you. They want to show you something, We should
Speaker 4: do it this.
Speaker 3: Way that, blah blah blah. So he's trying to talk
Speaker 3: to me. I'm telling him. I say, man, do me
Speaker 3: a favor. Why don't you tell him what you want
Speaker 3: to tell me? And if he could tell me, because.
Speaker 4: I don't want to talk to you, and I walked
Speaker 4: away from it, and everybody was like, right, like whatever man.
Speaker 4: And so while we really got into it, Jack is,
Speaker 4: we playing on a Monday night against the Rams, and
Speaker 4: this is the same year we won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: We won the Super Bowl. This year.
Speaker 4: He calls a play, He'll say he called it a
Speaker 4: certain way. I heard it a certain way, so I
Speaker 4: line up the way I heard it. So now we
Speaker 4: call a time out. We go to the sideline and
Speaker 4: I'm having a conversation with my coach and him and
Speaker 4: we're all there and he's saying, well, I call this.
Speaker 4: I'm like, that's not what you call. Everybody lined up
Speaker 4: and what you call this is what you call. So
Speaker 4: now it was a running play any fucking way, it wasn't.
Speaker 4: He wasn't throwing the ball. So now he takes me
Speaker 4: out of you personnel and he puts k Mack, which
Speaker 4: I don't care, came back like one of my best
Speaker 4: friend I don't care k Mac goes in the game.
Speaker 3: But what that does is signal to people, I fucked up.
Speaker 4: When you the motherfucker that fucked up, but you're gonna
Speaker 4: make people think I'm the one that fucked up.
Speaker 3: Type cap. That's just that's some cap. So now I'm like,
Speaker 3: so I'll get ready to walk away. And while he's
Speaker 3: doing this, we're having a heated conversation amongst all of us.
Speaker 3: So I get ready to walk away and he mumbles
Speaker 3: something like motherfucker or something very you know, disrespectful. So
Speaker 3: I turn around Jack, I turned and went right at
Speaker 3: him and told him, I'll beat your motherfucking ass right
Speaker 3: here on Monday night football for the world to see.
Speaker 3: You got me fucked.
Speaker 4: And so now I walk away. He say something else.
Speaker 4: So at this point I go back at him now
Speaker 4: and telling him, put my finger in this face and say,
Speaker 4: you said another motherfucking word is going down. And at
Speaker 4: that point it was like, oh my god, we ain't
Speaker 4: gonna give him a third one. No, I gave him
Speaker 4: a third one in the locker room after the game.
Speaker 4: I told him, you know, our coaches going to their
Speaker 4: little coaches offices in the stadium.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: I made all assistant coaches get out, said, man, y'all
Speaker 3: get out of here. I'm just talk to him. You
Speaker 3: getting redly listen to me right now because that's a
Speaker 3: bullshit you did. Then me and him we ain't never
Speaker 3: like that was it, and I played the rest of
Speaker 3: the season. We went on, won the Super Bowl. I
Speaker 3: came back the next year and the next year. So
Speaker 3: my ex wife is from the Bay Area, so we
Speaker 3: played Frisco the next year in San Francisco. My kids, now,
Speaker 3: mind you, my kids are living in the Bay Area.
Speaker 3: My two oldest kids are living in the Bay with
Speaker 3: their mother. Parent teacher conference is coming up on Monday.
Speaker 3: We play on Sunday. So the first thing I tell
Speaker 3: him before the game, wait before the game.
Speaker 4: During the week, I said, man, I'm gonna stay in
Speaker 4: the Bay Area after San Francisco because I got to
Speaker 4: teacher parents.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to Florida coming all the way back
Speaker 3: to the Bay. I'm not doing that shit. So we
Speaker 3: lose the Suthchio let's go.
Speaker 2: So now.
Speaker 4: They looking for me at the airport, They're like, what
Speaker 4: the fuck kid, I hadn't already told him what I'm doing,
Speaker 4: but he made it seem like he never got that information,
Speaker 4: like I just partlayed on him and rolled out.
Speaker 3: He go tell the people that knowing that ain't my behavior,
Speaker 3: That's not who I am.
Speaker 4: So now I'm a problem. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And so I stay home with my kids from the
Speaker 4: teacher parents thing. I go back to California. I mean,
Speaker 4: I go back to Florida. They deactivate me for the
Speaker 4: rest of the year. I'm like, cool, I ain't tripping.
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to.
Speaker 3: Pay me because I ain't done nothing wrong, So you're
Speaker 3: gonna have to pay me anyway. You have to pay
Speaker 3: me anyway. So that was it. Did The motherfucker had
Speaker 3: nerve enough to come back and try to get me
Speaker 3: after I whooped his.
Speaker 4: Ass when I was in Carolina, went off on him.
Speaker 4: I went nuts on him in Carolina game. Then they
Speaker 4: tried to come back get me. The year I retired,
Speaker 4: they wanted to resign me, him and Bruce Allen. It's
Speaker 4: public knowledge. Everybody know because the story was out there.
Speaker 4: They reached out to me to sign because guess again,
Speaker 4: I don't have problem. Nobody I'm good if I you know,
Speaker 4: if you to make the money right play for you
Speaker 4: ain't no problem at all, non.
Speaker 2: H two thousand and three, Man watch y'at man we win.
Speaker 2: I won this championship with the Spurs. You want the
Speaker 2: NFL Super Bowl with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Do you
Speaker 2: remember the sp Awards and the playoffs and the Playboy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, spar was of course.
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 2: What what do you remember about that? Which part the
Speaker 2: Playboy Mansion? Because remember they had they had the boxing
Speaker 2: that night at the point I was.
Speaker 4: At the Playboy specifically, remember uh, we're having a conversation
Speaker 4: with what's the name, my man?
Speaker 3: It was in the back room with Oja uh Kate Okay,
Speaker 3: he definitely there. I remember that specific because I asked
Speaker 3: him and many did he do it?
Speaker 1: Did he do it? I'm gonna ask you the question.
Speaker 3: No. I asked him literally, you know, and he gave
Speaker 3: me the he thinks so he gave me I think.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 3: We was in the backyard of the Playboy Mansion.
Speaker 2: This is the this is when the first the world
Speaker 2: got a chance to first time see Jeff left left
Speaker 2: hook Lacy. He boxed in the in the backyard. It
Speaker 2: was Friday Night fights to the ESPN, but it was
Speaker 2: it was sp weekend and everybody will to everybody was there.
Speaker 2: Cherokee Parks is the is the goat. If you don't
Speaker 2: know cheroch Key Parks, if you ever party with him,
Speaker 2: he was. He basically ran the Playboy Mansion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was tatted more than you, Matt. We had
Speaker 3: a great time. And that was two thousand three I
Speaker 3: seen in my jersey. But that team? How special was
Speaker 3: that team? Was our Bucks team? Yes? Special?
Speaker 4: It's probably one of the best teams in the history
Speaker 4: of the NFL. I would say we probably got I
Speaker 4: think we got five Hall of Famers off the team
Speaker 4: and possibly another two coming. Yeah, yeah, we got I
Speaker 4: think it's five Hall of Famers with another two. So
Speaker 4: we got about seven Hall of Famers and then arguably
Speaker 4: you could argue, if you want to, a couple more
Speaker 4: that could potentially be in the running. D Brooks you no,
Speaker 4: you got Sap, No, Sap Brooks, Ron Day, John Lynch,
Speaker 4: Simeon Rice should be he will be coming soon. McFarlane,
Speaker 4: random mcdoniel. So that's six six am I missing somebody?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Six six dudes off the team. I ain't gonna make
Speaker 4: it because I didn't play long enough. If I would
Speaker 4: have played fifteen years or something like that, I beat.
Speaker 4: But I didn't play long enough, which, like I said before,
Speaker 4: I didn't play to get into the Hall. I played
Speaker 4: to get chicks, you know, to help my mom and
Speaker 4: my sisters and brothers. I fuck about, no damn Hall
Speaker 4: of Fame. It's cools respect for him, but everybody don't
Speaker 4: do nothing for me. You got respect from everybody in
Speaker 4: the Hall of one hundred percent. Later on you you
Speaker 4: reunited with Bill Parcels with the Cowboys, y'all relationship at
Speaker 4: the beginning present day. What made him different than all
Speaker 4: other coaches that you played for? You know when it
Speaker 4: was so when I first got Bill, because in ninety six,
Speaker 4: when I got drafted, they drafted Terry Glenn. I think
Speaker 4: he was seventh. I think he was the seventh picks.
Speaker 4: The receiver, a different type of receiver than me. But
Speaker 4: when I got Bill, everybody, because I wrote my book
Speaker 4: just give me the damn ball my rookie year, so
Speaker 4: everybody in New York was telling him to run me
Speaker 4: out of town, you know.
Speaker 3: Right, give me the damn body.
Speaker 4: And so everybody was telling Bill to get rid of me,
Speaker 4: trade me, get rid of me. I'm a problem this,
Speaker 4: that and the other.
Speaker 3: You know how that goes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't even know what you're talking about. So
Speaker 4: when I sit down with him, he goes to me,
Speaker 4: He goes, how much did you play at this year?
Speaker 4: I said, I was about shit, I don't know, two twenty.
Speaker 3: Five or something. He says, yeah, you look too too,
Speaker 3: if I look like you got the fucking mumps, Like, man,
Speaker 3: please whatever. He says, what about that guy that was
Speaker 3: a usc What did you play? Then?
Speaker 4: I said I was probably two o eight two ten.
Speaker 4: He goes, that's the dude I want. So what I
Speaker 4: did is I came back to training camp at two
Speaker 4: o five. So I came back at two o five.
Speaker 4: Him and our relationship from that point on. I couldn't
Speaker 4: do no wrong. I couldn't do I could have if
Speaker 4: they came to my house and found bodies in the basement,
Speaker 4: they were like they planning them.
Speaker 3: He didn't do that. But that's how our relationship because
Speaker 3: I did everything he asked me to do.
Speaker 4: When he said do this, it got none. When he
Speaker 4: gave me an assignment to go dig that dude out,
Speaker 4: no problem. So our relationship was always I became a
Speaker 4: part sales guy. And at that point when the big
Speaker 4: Tuna speak, everybody listen. He the grand poop, all right,
Speaker 4: he's the big inchulada.
Speaker 3: When he says like Pat Rodney, but Pat say he good,
Speaker 3: he good.
Speaker 4: And that's how Bill, you know, because everybody was trying
Speaker 4: to act as though West Coast kid and La da dah.
Speaker 3: He was like, no, that's my guy.
Speaker 4: So something obviously went wrong with him in Tampa with
Speaker 4: that dude. Then come there, I need to get this
Speaker 4: dude back on my team so I could set a
Speaker 4: standard on how we win. So when they when the
Speaker 4: Cowboys let me go and they brought in Too, you know,
Speaker 4: Bill left for like two months.
Speaker 3: He left.
Speaker 4: He left because they took the authority away from him.
Speaker 4: He didn't want too. He was like, man, I don't
Speaker 4: need that. But Jerry made the decision to go get
Speaker 4: too and let me go to Carolina, and Bill disappeared
Speaker 4: on him for like two months. They didn't even have
Speaker 4: a coach. Many people don't know that he disappeared on
Speaker 4: wouldn't return the calls, nothing. He was mad as hell
Speaker 4: because that's not what he wanted. Then he coached that
Speaker 4: year and he left member.
Speaker 3: He retired. It's like, I'm done, I don't want to
Speaker 3: coach appearing no more. And that's Jerry getting away.
Speaker 1: Fast forward present time. Is Jerry still in the way.
Speaker 1: What's frong with the Cowboys right now?
Speaker 3: I think they're missing something. Man, miss leaders leadership, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Think they missing I think they missing the locker room leadership.
Speaker 4: In the locker room, Jerry does a tremendous job in
Speaker 4: terms of management. He doesn't get see people think that
Speaker 4: Jerry is calling plays. He ain't any way like that.
Speaker 4: He does a tremendous ya with Will Clay and Steven
Speaker 4: On as simbilant players and stuff. But when you you
Speaker 4: haven't been on championship teams, you have been on teams before,
Speaker 4: when you don't have somebody like a Michael Irvin that
Speaker 4: could grab a dude, like what the fuck you doing?
Speaker 4: You're gonna have those There's nobody that when it's twenty
Speaker 4: seven nothing, it's going to ham on somebody. They just nobody,
Speaker 4: Like if I was in that locker room it's twenty
Speaker 4: seven nothing, then I'll be cussing. Michael Parson's ass are
Speaker 4: so bad they have to get rid of they have
Speaker 4: to separate us because it's your job to stop them.
Speaker 4: It's my job to score. Okay, they got twenty seven.
Speaker 4: Part of that twenty seven is because of you. I
Speaker 4: don't care if they doublely your trip. You gotta find
Speaker 4: a way. And I don't think they have that like
Speaker 4: they had and they pat They had Michael and Emmitt
Speaker 4: and Big E and all them dudes. You know that
Speaker 4: Charles haling them. They wasn't having it back then, but
Speaker 4: they missing that now.
Speaker 3: You gotta have leadership on teams. Championship teams all got leadership.
Speaker 3: Everybody that's ever won the champh you could point to
Speaker 3: that dude that's a leader on your team.
Speaker 1: And sometimes they ain't even the superstar.
Speaker 3: And sometimes it ain't even a superstar.
Speaker 4: When we won in Tampa, Derek Brooks was essentially our leader,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But I held mine on
Speaker 4: the office side, but he held everybody account. He would
Speaker 4: come up to me, and Brooks, though he's not a
Speaker 4: cuss or nothing, he come up me and just say, nineteen,
Speaker 4: what the fuck are they doing?
Speaker 3: He just simply tell me that, man, you're got to
Speaker 3: go tell them people to get you the ball.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, Cool, I'm all years right, I'm ready right,
Speaker 6: eleven seasons, three Po Bowl, Super Bowl champ You walked
Speaker 6: away before you know, your body didn't give up or nothing.
Speaker 3: Where were you at?
Speaker 1: Was it just mentally retired with I was?
Speaker 3: I was? I had mentally checked out, you know, I just.
Speaker 1: Coming back from that neither. That's a professional augh.
Speaker 3: What they'll see because I accomplished so much so early though, Matt,
Speaker 3: you gotta think my goal was only to play ten years.
Speaker 3: My goal was never to play let I did that
Speaker 3: extra year as a favor for my officsive coordinator that
Speaker 3: was in Carolina, that will coach me in h if
Speaker 3: the Jets. Who's my office cordinator with the Jets and
Speaker 3: he went to Carolina. I did him a favor because
Speaker 3: Carolina had just lost the Seattle in the NFC Championship game.
Speaker 3: And in Smitty Steve Smith, they had him bottled up.
Speaker 3: He was the long ranger out there. So I'm like,
Speaker 3: I said, man, I gotta you know, Smitty, like, man,
Speaker 3: come help me. I'm like, okay, Cool, I'll go over there.
Speaker 3: You know, pay me, I'm coming. I'll do this for
Speaker 3: a little bit. But then when I didn't, we didn't
Speaker 3: win there, I'm like, man, I don't want to do this.
Speaker 3: At ESPN came and call it.
Speaker 4: So when I started calculating the economics, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. Yeah, I didn't do the math.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I'm sitting there, I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: if I play, I'm gonna make this. But I ain't
Speaker 3: got to get hit. I do this, I'm gonna make
Speaker 3: that in this second career. I can start now. I
Speaker 3: don't already accomplished. Think about it, man, I went to
Speaker 3: Pro Bowls? Okay, so well, how many fucking All Star
Speaker 3: games I need to go to? Right? What a championship?
Speaker 3: I didn't put out of set records and done different things.
Speaker 3: So it's like, do I want to still beat my
Speaker 3: body up?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I don't want to do that. No more. No, I'm good.
Speaker 3: So that was my decision. I woke up and called Jerome,
Speaker 3: my agent. I called you Rossiter Derome on re tire. Man,
Speaker 3: I'm done? Are you crazy? After blue? After blue?
Speaker 4: Because what happened when I left Carolina, Jeff Fisher, Seattle,
Speaker 4: all of them was trying to get me. So I
Speaker 4: went and visiting, right, and I went visited Tennessee because
Speaker 4: I still was kind of like I was thirty three.
Speaker 1: I think I was.
Speaker 3: So I was like, man, do I want to play football?
Speaker 4: So I go to Tennessee. Jeff I've been doing Jeff
Speaker 4: for a long time. He wanted me, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 4: So I'm like new norm child from sc knew the
Speaker 4: receiver coach. He recruited me in college. So I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go to Tennessee. I think I knew Mike
Speaker 4: Holmes Seattle. I'm like, I think I'm so.
Speaker 3: Then I like decided I can't fuck with Vince Young.
Speaker 3: I ain't playing football. I've been too many quarterbacks and
Speaker 3: Dell May y'all. Andy'll eating Britos and shit y'all. Now
Speaker 3: I'm the old dude. I'm gonna deal with this young stuff.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, So I get home, I go to sleep,
Speaker 3: I wake up, and probably like six am. I called
Speaker 3: my agent. I said, man, I think I'm gonna retire,
Speaker 3: and as he's like, Sam, what are you talking about? Saimon,
Speaker 3: I'm done, don't want play for both of them. Told
Speaker 3: my family. I said, I'm done. I'm just gonna chill,
Speaker 3: and ESPN was already already in my back pocket anyway,
Speaker 3: because I was doing the draft. I had already done
Speaker 3: the draft a couple of years, and we was already
Speaker 3: working on a deal for me to do Monday Night
Speaker 3: Countdown even though I was still playing. We was working
Speaker 3: on a deal. And then when I retired, that's when
Speaker 3: they came full board. It was like he with us
Speaker 3: the whole way. Here we go. So the chips obviously
Speaker 3: got stacked.
Speaker 1: Even what was that transition like, I mean, obviously it's
Speaker 1: the wave now for athletes to transition. Although you weren't
Speaker 1: the first, you you know, you were there early, it
Speaker 1: was it was you know, you've been in the space
Speaker 1: eighteen years. What was it like that first transition over
Speaker 1: to a machine like ESPN?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 4: You know, so because I had did the draft and
Speaker 4: I had done some stuff early career, so I got
Speaker 4: my feet wet. But the grace of God put me
Speaker 4: in a position to work alongside Tom Jackson and Chris Burman.
Speaker 3: So that's just like all of a sudden, they stick
Speaker 3: you with yeah, yeah, they stick you with Charles right
Speaker 3: off the rip. But they stick you with Chick Hearns
Speaker 3: or some ship right off the rip. That's what it
Speaker 3: was like, like, you know, I remember what time though,
Speaker 3: Uh you know, when I first was dealing with the
Speaker 3: cameras and trying to understand the cameras and the production
Speaker 3: and all that.
Speaker 4: I'm near talking and I'm you know, I'm going on
Speaker 4: and on and on, and all of a sudden I
Speaker 4: got these these these voices in my ear. So I
Speaker 4: stopped National TV Monday night and I done stopped coll
Speaker 4: for like a minute. It felt like Tom Jackson, Tom like, ma,
Speaker 4: what do you do it? I said, Man, they talking
Speaker 4: to me, but they wasn't talking to me. They had
Speaker 4: opened up my mic on my earphones of my ear
Speaker 4: set by my state. The director was telling somebody else
Speaker 4: to go to this camera.
Speaker 3: I was like, sounding like, what's wrong?
Speaker 4: Somebody talking to me? Somebody ain't talking to you? For
Speaker 4: they talking to me every senstead. I never made that
Speaker 4: mistake again. But when you have guys like that, yeah,
Speaker 4: you just learn, man.
Speaker 3: But it was cool. It was a smooth transition. And
Speaker 3: hell I was there seventeen years.
Speaker 1: What's the next five to ten look like for you?
Speaker 3: With some goals? I mean, and I'm gonna keep stealing.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep stealing money from fire as long as
Speaker 3: as long as they keep paying me, I'm gonna keep stealing.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm looking at.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at staying there and just continue to keep building.
Speaker 3: And you know, obviously I love doing it. I love
Speaker 3: waking up in.
Speaker 4: The morning, I love going in, I love talking sports.
Speaker 4: You know, if you want to call it debating, I
Speaker 4: don't call it debating. And I call it communicating, just
Speaker 4: you know, because I ain't got time to be doing
Speaker 4: arguing and screaming.
Speaker 3: And if your point is your point, that's your opinion.
Speaker 3: It is what it is.
Speaker 1: Mine is mine and we could It ain't personal, No, it.
Speaker 3: Ain't never gonna be personal.
Speaker 1: Why would I?
Speaker 4: Why would I make anybody? Making personal is a damn
Speaker 4: food Because, as I said at they all to beginning,
Speaker 4: I'm not fucking my money off. You know how hard
Speaker 4: it is to get money. Why would I do that
Speaker 4: making something personal?
Speaker 3: Man? Because these seats they don't come up too often.
Speaker 4: And I understand everybody got platforms now it's a little different,
Speaker 4: but then big boy seats they do not dudes.
Speaker 3: Man them dudes. You see they be rolling dudes out
Speaker 3: in wheelchairs for years. How long you've been here? Our
Speaker 3: sixty years?
Speaker 4: It's like really, I mean, like you know, they're still
Speaker 4: good at it, but them seats don't come up every
Speaker 4: other year. No, not at all.
Speaker 1: Fatherhood Unfortunately lost the child. Condolences again, probably the worst
Speaker 1: thing ever going through. But what is fatherhood for you?
Speaker 1: And what does it mean to you?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 4: It is extremely stressful, as you know, having kids in
Speaker 4: your own. It's just one of those things. My little
Speaker 4: babies obviously is just beautiful and fun and I love
Speaker 4: dealing with them and having some distressful because, like you said,
Speaker 4: losing my daughter it obviously it sheds a different light
Speaker 4: on the responsibility of fatherhood.
Speaker 3: It's just it's just different.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Even my son now, who's older, who works with me,
Speaker 3: you know, nepotism. I got to have him with me.
Speaker 3: I use that word a lot and let him know
Speaker 3: they do it, I can do it too, because he's
Speaker 3: good at it.
Speaker 4: He's actually good at his job, where some people kids
Speaker 4: aren't good at their job, but they still got jobs.
Speaker 3: But you know, it's it's that stress. You know, he's older.
Speaker 4: You know he likes smoking weed whatever you grown here,
Speaker 4: A dolt ain't not wrong, a dolt he is smoking
Speaker 4: weed whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he got a lot already.
Speaker 4: It's one of those deals from stress standpoint, because you're
Speaker 4: always thinking where is he at, what he's doing text
Speaker 4: He may take thirty minutes to respond back.
Speaker 3: What you're doing?
Speaker 4: Why you ain't respired back? You know, And then having
Speaker 4: to watch my daughter, who is fourteen years old, continue
Speaker 4: to grow. You know, she's beautiful and just growing, and
Speaker 4: you know it's gonna have to I having to probably
Speaker 4: figure out how to I told she wants to go
Speaker 4: to New York and go to school.
Speaker 3: I told her, you, you do understand, You're gonna have
Speaker 3: security of chopper rooms.
Speaker 1: When you go to school.
Speaker 4: That's just what it's gonna be. They gonna be right
Speaker 4: there with you. Oh, you're weird, you're this year that
Speaker 4: because they don't you know I'm weird. You know I'm
Speaker 4: weird to them. But it's it's good.
Speaker 3: Man's a healthy you got a good, healthy relationship. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I just like watching them grow too. They think I'm
Speaker 4: lame though, because especially my young ones. My young ones
Speaker 4: think I'm lame because.
Speaker 3: They see they see.
Speaker 4: Everything that I used to do with my older ones,
Speaker 4: like all the fancy cars and all the different stuff,
Speaker 4: and the motherfuckers.
Speaker 3: Made me go buy a Porsche.
Speaker 4: Now I don't want bought a nine eleven because my
Speaker 4: youngest son, the eleven years old, he think I'm weak
Speaker 4: because I drive Pree.
Speaker 3: It's in a Tesla three. He telling me my Tesla
Speaker 3: three is a starter Tesla. You have to go get
Speaker 3: the No, I ain't got nothing left his career, career, Yeah,
Speaker 3: got damn yeah the weather jack. Yeah, that's what I
Speaker 3: tell you. But but the crazy thing is he applied
Speaker 3: that pressure because he said it ain't nothing like man Barnes.
Speaker 3: He got so and so got the I come, you know,
Speaker 3: so I bought it. I got it like on Thursday,
Speaker 3: and I picked him up for school on Friday, so
Speaker 3: I knew I had to pick him up. This joker
Speaker 3: that text me talking about can I bring my new
Speaker 3: car like this?
Speaker 1: Trying to show it off quick man.
Speaker 3: That's what it's fun, man, It's it's you know, it's
Speaker 3: a bond. Yeah, it's a fun, a fun experience for him,
Speaker 3: you know. He he he likes all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: And he's in the cars and shoes shoe game. It's
Speaker 3: probably better than any of ours. He got a cold
Speaker 3: shoe game. He got a coold shoe his daddy got.
Speaker 3: I never grew out of that ship. I never grew
Speaker 3: out of it.
Speaker 2: The shoes, clothes, looking nice shoes, fashion, I never grow
Speaker 2: out of it, jewelry, none of that.
Speaker 3: I never grot it.
Speaker 1: But we different in California. He'd be the ones all
Speaker 1: the time always. Really, I only wore this ship because
Speaker 1: we was. I was being cheating Chung earlier, so I
Speaker 1: had my whole little outfit. But California, we just flips
Speaker 1: yeah man all the time and can go anywhere with it.
Speaker 3: Jack. They think got, they think I out there surfing
Speaker 3: the way I look. You know what, I call it
Speaker 3: non threatening, toes off, non threatening. I'm toes out, non threatened.
Speaker 3: When they see me, they're gonna go you doing it.
Speaker 3: They ain't gonna be like he's safe. No, no, because
Speaker 3: that's how I dress. I'm t shirts, flip flops, shorts.
Speaker 1: Insta California sweats. You know all the time, James Pearce,
Speaker 1: it ain't you know, reless.
Speaker 3: But when you swipe the card one of them new
Speaker 3: heavy credit cards to get that make yeah, that's you know,
Speaker 3: but that's how it is. That's how I love my kids, though,
Speaker 3: man of it. If I you know, I'm fixed up,
Speaker 3: so I'm good. But if I could, I would.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got six. I'm thinking about doing one more better,
Speaker 1: better than Yeah, we're thinking about it.
Speaker 4: My kids is expensive, very man, kids are very expensive,
Speaker 4: especially my three year old.
Speaker 3: She keeps growing. So every time I look.
Speaker 1: Up baby baby, Yeah, yeah, what's the younger ages?
Speaker 4: The young with fourteen, eleven and three, every time I
Speaker 4: look up, it's a damn box at the front door.
Speaker 3: Because she needs something. Because she keeps growing, she keeps growing,
Speaker 3: she keeps growing. I'm gonna knock this, finish it off.
Speaker 1: Someone who is, you know, very outspoken over your life,
Speaker 1: over your career, but you've silently been helping rebuild South
Speaker 1: l A. Can you tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 4: Well, Originally, like when I was playing, I got involved
Speaker 4: in redevelopment and stuff like that, and you know, we
Speaker 4: we uh So, my first project was on slaughtering in
Speaker 4: western We brought in like depot.
Speaker 3: Ah Man, what year was that? That was true? Ninety nine?
Speaker 3: Damn ninety nine, Yeah, ninety nine. We started, I think
Speaker 3: we started like in ninety eight, ninety nine.
Speaker 4: And so we brought in the first home depot in
Speaker 4: east of the Mississippi, I'm sorry, west of the Mississippi
Speaker 4: in an urban area. Everything else was all in the suburbs,
Speaker 4: the whole deal.
Speaker 3: So we brought it in the hood. Starbucks Magic Magic
Speaker 3: when he owned the Starbucks brought him in. I was
Speaker 3: his landlord for a while that shit. Oh yeah, he
Speaker 3: he let you do all day. Yeah, that was his landlord.
Speaker 4: And so we just started bringing in all the different
Speaker 4: different stores and stuff like that. And it was just
Speaker 4: like it needed it because South So doing the riots,
Speaker 4: nothing was rebuilt at all in South La.
Speaker 3: Nothing. It was just like burnt down buildings and it
Speaker 3: was just it was crazy looking. And so we just
Speaker 3: made a commitment to purchase the land and rebuild starting there,
Speaker 3: and then we just started building other projects all over
Speaker 3: the city.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: But but it also it ain't just about making the money.
Speaker 3: It's also being able to create jobs. It was creating
Speaker 3: jobs opportunities, you know what I'm saying. Because it wasn't
Speaker 3: like you was gonna put a million in and make
Speaker 3: fifty million.
Speaker 4: It's not like that. You know, people think that things
Speaker 4: are like that. You know, there's numbers you gotta pay
Speaker 4: for stuff. Man, it's like a martgage, right, you got debt.
Speaker 4: You know, it's a debt servicing business, and.
Speaker 3: We just built and it felt good to be able
Speaker 3: to do that and say I reached back down to
Speaker 3: my community and gave them something that they never thought
Speaker 3: they would have.
Speaker 1: Man, quick hitters, we almost done. First thing to come
Speaker 1: to mind, your top five current young receivers in the game,
Speaker 1: top five or three these negroes be get mad when
Speaker 1: you do this, or you can get me all time.
Speaker 1: Then if you don't want to.
Speaker 4: Know, I'll current Tyreek Hill, uh Davontae Adams, Justin Jefferson,
Speaker 4: Jamar Chase, uh A J.
Speaker 3: Brown. That's pretty, that's probably let's I'm missing somebody, but
Speaker 3: see I like T Higgins, but that's me. That's that's me.
Speaker 3: Some people don't like that. I like Tyler Lockett. Some
Speaker 3: people don't like Tyler. They look Tyler Lockett cool man,
Speaker 3: he solid as hell, solid, but they looking for somebody
Speaker 3: catch for eighteen hundred and all that.
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, man, Tyler Lockett gonna give you that stuff.
Speaker 4: He's gonna get that work. Oh ceddie lamb. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: told you I was gonna see somebody gonna get mad.
Speaker 1: He always gets lamb.
Speaker 3: See you you should get on Richard Richards was gonna
Speaker 3: call him a friend.
Speaker 2: No, I ain't not No, I saw I saw, I
Speaker 2: say cool I already said, but I said, man, this
Speaker 2: man that a HELLI but yeah, this year, how can
Speaker 2: you hate on him?
Speaker 4: That's he sucked, but he had Yeah, ceedie lamb, yeah,
Speaker 4: ceey lamb legit. You know I I I wanted to
Speaker 4: see more out of him this year. They gave me
Speaker 4: more after the first four or five games doing much.
Speaker 4: Then they start moving him around and putt him in
Speaker 4: a position.
Speaker 3: To make plays. Because before he just was a guy average. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but then they start moving him around and he developed
Speaker 3: into something different.
Speaker 4: But you know, you got those type of dudes. Then
Speaker 4: you got the older heads of DeAndre Hopkins. If my
Speaker 4: nephew could ever stay healthy, you got.
Speaker 3: Cooper cup Cooper Good.
Speaker 1: Who's your nephew, Michael Thomas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he the truth. Yeah, they you know he gotta
Speaker 3: stay healthy though, that's his deal. His health. Health is
Speaker 3: his issue getting asked about of New Orleans now hopefully, well,
Speaker 3: he ain't got it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: That's my brother's son. Yeah, brother son, he's crazy. He's
Speaker 3: crazy to uncle. Yeah that that that probably has something
Speaker 3: to do with it. Yeah, that probably got something to
Speaker 3: do with it. I'm sure who was your first celebrity crush?
Speaker 1: This should be man, Yeah, come on, finish it.
Speaker 3: It was your first celebrity president back in the day,
Speaker 3: back in the day. Yeah, he crushed.
Speaker 1: He was in LA when it was popping in the nineties.
Speaker 3: He was in the USC. See, I ain't really no,
Speaker 3: I ain't really no. Tell all guy, though.
Speaker 1: Who you got the credit? We ain't gonna ask you
Speaker 1: if you did nothing with it? Who was I'm saying
Speaker 1: something that came mine like earlier, Like damn.
Speaker 2: You basically telling you basically tested. I can't talk about
Speaker 2: nobody because I didn't got them all. Basically, just tell
Speaker 2: somebody that you dreamed about that you never had, especially
Speaker 2: when you was in college. You know you're coming up,
Speaker 2: you know you're finna go to the league.
Speaker 3: I'm saying I wouldn't even see it in college. I
Speaker 3: wasn't really tripping like that on the celebrity tip because
Speaker 3: it was all around you already in l A. That's
Speaker 3: what I mean. You don't need no celebrity girl in LA.
Speaker 1: The girls and everybody better than come on, man, I
Speaker 1: can put there wasn't no singer or nothing. Early on
Speaker 1: he was let me think, man, because I'm sure I
Speaker 1: couldn't you want the spot?
Speaker 3: I'm sure. I'm sure too. I don't care if you.
Speaker 3: Oh no, you want to know. Freeze moment, freeze moment.
Speaker 3: So thank you Now, I got you, I got you.
Speaker 3: So this is freeze moment. Freeze up.
Speaker 1: Write that down.
Speaker 4: So if you know Sunset, I'm going west on Sunset
Speaker 4: through Beverly Hills, like you said, like going west on Sunset.
Speaker 3: Before you get the Dohini. On the right hand side,
Speaker 3: there's a fed X. It's a fed Ex, a small
Speaker 3: little fed X spot. So I'm with the homies. I'm
Speaker 3: in my big old black truck. I just bought a
Speaker 3: big old black I don't remember. It's like a expedition
Speaker 3: blacked all the way out. This is this is a
Speaker 3: ninety No, it was ninety seven, ninety ninety seven, ninety seven.
Speaker 3: I'm going down Sunset so the you know, you know
Speaker 3: how you got your own, they're gonna gash you.
Speaker 1: And I was.
Speaker 3: I got to the signal light and the fed Ex
Speaker 3: was there, and I saw this light skin chick. She
Speaker 3: had a sun dress on. M m hmm.
Speaker 1: Paint the picture. Damn.
Speaker 3: She find as a motherfucker. They're like, man, you a sucker.
Speaker 3: You you need to go get her, you need to
Speaker 3: go get her. I'm like, man, I'm trying to dry.
Speaker 3: They gassed me.
Speaker 4: I bust a roll on. Dohaney turned back around on sunset.
Speaker 4: I pop out the car. Wait though, she check this out,
Speaker 4: freeze Bobby. So now I go into the fed X.
Speaker 4: I open up, put my hands on park right. I
Speaker 4: open up the fed X. I opened it up, and
Speaker 4: she's standing right there. It's Holly Berry. I swear to God, Man,
Speaker 4: I swear to God.
Speaker 3: I ain't lying. Man, God be my witness from blind
Speaker 3: of diet. Man, I got spooked. You froze up. I
Speaker 3: froze up. Didn't even I just kept it. I just
Speaker 3: fake like I wanted something and walked away. Basically no,
Speaker 3: basically because I would to no. But no, this is
Speaker 3: I know, this is. This is after David Justice. So
Speaker 3: this is theak Oh yeah, she cracking like man, I'm
Speaker 3: sitting there, I'm looking at her and I'm talking. I
Speaker 3: swear to God, man, when you talk about beauty and
Speaker 3: flawless at this point, nothing it was just in that sundress,
Speaker 3: all being our lords, and you know I'm young. I
Speaker 3: ain't really you know, I'm peeping. I'm like, damn, I can't. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I ain't ready for I ain't gonna be able to
Speaker 3: hold this. But that's you know. I was one that
Speaker 3: I like that. I was one you was ready to
Speaker 3: lose yourself. I'd have been ready to lose myself.
Speaker 4: I mean I froze up. I completely froze up immediately
Speaker 4: when I opened up the door. I didn't know what
Speaker 4: to say.
Speaker 1: What they say when you go back in the car.
Speaker 3: I think they were just like, man, what you're doing?
Speaker 3: I said, Man, come on, man, I can't n She
Speaker 3: ain't think said she ain't with be something like that
Speaker 3: with me anyway. Now. But the celebrity, the celebrity crushes
Speaker 3: you know my lifestyle.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I've been here for a long time too, youtubega.
Speaker 3: Man, if I was a kiss and tail dude, don't
Speaker 3: ever do that. Ain't gonna never be that dude. But
Speaker 3: if I was Jack, I'll just be laughing at y'all.
Speaker 3: Even man, y'all y'all don't know.
Speaker 1: Jack is my witness of that too, That young slim
Speaker 1: je oh man, that dude here ring in his ears
Speaker 1: always that boy kept a fresh line that fade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, gift the gap, please, gift the gas, the
Speaker 2: gift the gap, taking.
Speaker 4: A long away you over. You know, I know, I
Speaker 4: don't even want to. I don't want to tease him
Speaker 4: like that because because you know, I know, they everybody
Speaker 4: be getting.
Speaker 3: Talking about what I don't do that. I ain't gonna
Speaker 3: need to do that. But if I did, it would
Speaker 3: be like there's no way. Yeah, but the real people, yeah,
Speaker 3: of course, but people just be like, there's no way.
Speaker 3: That's a lie. Notin't gonna lie on my dick. That's
Speaker 3: for damn show that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but that's you know, let you tell me.
Speaker 3: That's how. That's how, you know, when you're a single
Speaker 3: man and you're an athlete and you just living your
Speaker 3: life in l A, in LA, in New York, in
Speaker 3: l A. You go, it's a lot of cross Yeah.
Speaker 1: In New York too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, K once upon a time, My first four you know,
Speaker 4: the first four years, it was Jeter, myself, Stray. We
Speaker 4: was probably the three in Patrick Ewing, probably the four
Speaker 4: big sports dudes in the city.
Speaker 3: In the town. Come on, man, New York in the
Speaker 3: prime time, to.
Speaker 1: Give me a troubles iminiscing my damn.
Speaker 3: Favorite route.
Speaker 2: Favor route, your favorite route, Yeah, that you're gonna work
Speaker 2: with me, work with me on before I go to
Speaker 2: Colorado for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 4: My favorite route that they just could not defend probably
Speaker 4: slat quick, yeah, quick, slant three step drop six yards six.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna pick up twelve every time I touch it.
Speaker 1: Could could you six four too?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I'm leaning the forward and then if you miss,
Speaker 3: I'm going Yeah, I would say the slant. And then
Speaker 3: when we get into the red zone, fade in the
Speaker 3: red zone, posting the red zone.
Speaker 4: Nothing you can do nothing. Yeah, it was it wasn't
Speaker 4: and people so just like in the in basketball, there's
Speaker 4: something that coach has always said you couldn't do, which
Speaker 4: was a lie.
Speaker 3: It was just lie. Right, Well, Matt, if you if
Speaker 3: you go, if you push him to his left, he
Speaker 3: can't go to this.
Speaker 1: Let's a lie.
Speaker 4: I decided I'm not going to my left. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: go to my right all the time because it's easier
Speaker 4: for me. That was the mistake that coaches made with me.
Speaker 4: He's not a burner, Okay, well I'm not a burner.
Speaker 4: You don't become the number one overall pick if you
Speaker 4: cannot run at the skilled position. But that becomes a narrative.
Speaker 4: And what happens is they coach you bad as a
Speaker 4: defender to make you believe.
Speaker 3: Such a thing.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cook you.
Speaker 3: Get your ass, get your ass fried, because that's what
Speaker 3: would happen. They come up and try to challenge me,
Speaker 3: and they miss, I ain't Tyreek Hill. But once you miss,
Speaker 3: you're a You're a dead duck. I'm gonna shoot you
Speaker 3: completely downride. Yeah, so that happens. Y'all push Stevie Jack
Speaker 3: is right, he can't go right. It's like, well, no,
Speaker 3: that's not true, man, That's just what y'all selling to
Speaker 3: your dudes.
Speaker 2: Meanwhy I would give it to you by one song
Speaker 2: to play over your career highlights? What would that be?
Speaker 3: All's eye on me, All eyes on me, for sure,
Speaker 3: all eyes on me?
Speaker 1: One quarterback during your time you wish you could have played.
Speaker 3: With wit and during my time? Is just in general
Speaker 3: in general, probably Brady. I would guess Montana Brady. The
Speaker 3: reason I would play with because I play all different positions,
Speaker 3: so mostly Brady's targets is the tidy in the slot.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 3: But I played in the slide that played outside of
Speaker 3: the play, so I can eat anywhere with him, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And having a dude like that, if I could have
Speaker 4: played with him, we wouldn't even a little been over.
Speaker 1: We won, so many might have got this interview ship.
Speaker 3: No never, there's certain dudes I would never talk to.
Speaker 3: But's come on, man, you tripping call me in the
Speaker 3: middle of the night, say come sit down with no
Speaker 3: problem at all.
Speaker 1: Good man, man, We thank you for your time. Big fans.
Speaker 1: Are you as and what you've been able to do
Speaker 1: post sports showing us and we're not just fatherhood business
Speaker 1: media cheers to get the quila one more time? What's
Speaker 1: that how you say?
Speaker 3: Him?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 4: Him, I get that ship anywhere, just that locals. Really,
Speaker 4: this wasn't really supposed to be a plug. I was
Speaker 4: just giving it to y'all as my people.
Speaker 1: We're gonna plug you, you know, y'all man Kee Johnson,
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