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Speaker 1: This nice run we've had. Tell of a run man, Man.

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Speaker 1: We went to New York, did our thing, came to

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Speaker 1: one of the homies. One of the homies know someone

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Speaker 1: that obviously did his thing on the grid iron but

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Speaker 1: been in the media space twenty years, eighteen eighteen years,

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Speaker 1: touching coming up on twenty years someone Jack and I

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Speaker 1: both look up to man, Welcome to the show, Keishaw Johnson,

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Speaker 1: appreciate you, man away, Welcome bro.

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Speaker 4: They called and said, would you come on, Man stop?

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Speaker 4: Why would you even ask me that question?

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Speaker 1: Because they're gonna do because they know you don't like

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Speaker 4: It's not that I don't like light skinned people from

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Speaker 4: You know, it's certain sport over there. That just seemed

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Speaker 4: I don't care if it was Matt Barnes, Jelani Christ,

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Speaker 4: They always seem to get them one they got they had.

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Speaker 4: The last one was Ball, right, that was the last

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, really like, you know, I got dark

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Speaker 1: ever since college though, you know, because when you.

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Speaker 1: Ship college, you done got dark. Obviously ESPN for a

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Speaker 1: number of years you transitioned over to Fox. Uh, we're

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Speaker 1: doing Undisputed, but also congratulations you're doing your podcast as well.

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Speaker 1: And I like how you said again this is this

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Speaker 1: everything else that comes with you was all a card.

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Speaker 3: It gotta be right, I mean when you look at it.

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Speaker 4: Retain my audio and digital rights. So when I went

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Speaker 4: You know that don't really know me as well as

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Speaker 1: So uh misunderstood by some uh respected in this space,

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Speaker 4: You know, I when I first took the job, Matt

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Speaker 4: and Jack. People was like, Keisha, gonna kill a dude

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Speaker 4: because they don't know me. You see what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: I said that I was one of them. Yeah, you

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. But I also understand my paper.

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Speaker 3: I'm not faiting less somebody fuck my money off with

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Speaker 4: And everybody don't know skip and don't know how it

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Speaker 4: They don't get all information. You see what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Man, I'm gonna ask what happened, Tell the truth, you

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Speaker 4: I need to know what's happening at all points and times.

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Speaker 4: Like I told him when I first sat down with him,

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Speaker 4: I'm come to think of it. I don't know the

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Speaker 4: But anyway, when I sat down with him, I said, Man,

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Speaker 4: I don't need nothing slipping out nobody's miles and nothing.

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Speaker 4: I don't care about my career. I don't care that

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Speaker 4: You may say that Terrell Owns was better, that's cool.

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Speaker 4: It got better enough because he played longer. I could

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Speaker 4: We're gonna be in this business. As long as he

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Speaker 3: That's the way I look at You know.

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Speaker 4: One time I was trying to think what game was it.

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Speaker 4: out the cleaners, right, twenty seven nothing, he didn't win.

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Speaker 4: But you can see that Dan Campbell, the ex player,

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Speaker 3: I like the NBA.

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Speaker 4: The NBA hall take Matt Barnes and Stevie Jack two

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Speaker 4: Even though we work so hard for them, and y'all

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Speaker 4: Have always evolved over the years, right, They always change

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Speaker 3: It's a passing game.

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Speaker 4: They want to protect the quarterbacks, but they also want

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Speaker 4: Like you said, when I play, you know, which seems

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Speaker 3: My last year was O seven.

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Speaker 4: But there are players that just recently retired that I

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Speaker 4: the field. Anybody touching y'all? You know, y'all catching balls.

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Speaker 3: You know. But that's the league.

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Speaker 4: They want to see the excitement, They want to see

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Speaker 4: I wish, I wish like hell. And they getting like

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Speaker 3: Forty million to run across the middle when we was

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Speaker 4: My biggest salary, well, my biggest salary base salary was

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Speaker 4: probably like six and a half, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 3: These dudes touching like thirty and thirty five.

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Speaker 1: Man, they're not getting touched and I get touched.

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Speaker 2: But the rule they need to put in is when

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Speaker 3: Low on the catches. That that's the rule.

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Speaker 4: But they do, to some degree emphasize that rule a

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Speaker 3: Try to protect you. That's how most receivers get hurt. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but I don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I tell them all the time, hit me anywhere with

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Speaker 2: Well you seen two hits like that in the recent

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what happens. Who is the face of the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just patch you moms by far. Yeah, see that

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Speaker 4: does he Here's the thing, Lamar Jackson should get the opportunities.

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Speaker 4: But we live in a corporate world and I.

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Speaker 3: Don't necessarily know when they look at Lamar if they

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Speaker 3: for a number of reasons. Okay, he deep.

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Speaker 4: South, so they already you know how they flowided it.

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Speaker 4: That's how they are because in twenty nineteen he won

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Speaker 4: about it, you know what I'm saying. But when you

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Speaker 4: they don't want to talk about it. It's like, well

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Speaker 4: you say, how could this be? This can't be this

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Speaker 4: because they did it in basketball with a little Penny, right.

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Speaker 3: Penny didn't like to talk. But Nike got so creative

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Speaker 1: Figured out that's a great car. I love that idea.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, think about it.

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Speaker 4: That's okay, though, if you really want to make it work,

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Speaker 3: I promise you. I can put the shit together from

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Speaker 3: a marketer if you.

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Speaker 1: Really want to do it, if you really want to

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Speaker 3: Everything else if you really wanted to do Because think

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Speaker 1: VP is in any league not doing that?

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Speaker 4: Not doing commercials and stuff and any league. Some dudes

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Speaker 4: those two dudes to me or the face of.

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Speaker 3: The league you know to me. But I could be wrong.

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Speaker 1: In your opinion? Yeah, real quick, let's take a cheers break.

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Speaker 1: What were sitting on right now?

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Speaker 3: Key, tell man, this is manhinta man. It is the

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Speaker 3: manhinta tequila. Where can they get it? That at get

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Speaker 3: it everywhere all over the place.

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Speaker 1: He said, We're giving you just a store it everywhere you.

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Speaker 4: And the fine locations you got it at the all

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Speaker 3: And when you drinking, you ain't got even though even

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Speaker 3: That's how I grew up. I grew up in a

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Speaker 4: And I was so crazy because I took my homie,

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Speaker 3: Type of shit is this This shit looked, man, this

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Speaker 4: I'd have been dumped on, I'd have been shot, my sister,

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Speaker 4: I'm been shot. So it's like for me, I look

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Speaker 4: Ooh got smart real quick, you know, because it's it

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Speaker 4: all day long, man, you gotta because he out on

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00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,359
Speaker 4: the court and he played. It's so funny because he

438
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,240
Speaker 4: played uh when we were living in New York in

439
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:34,080
Speaker 4: the pandemic.

440
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 3: He played at at uh Uh in the Bronx at

441
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,200
Speaker 3: shoot man, what the hell is the name Gacho? He

442
00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,399
Speaker 3: was with the gatchos. What's the name basketball coach? They

443
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,359
Speaker 3: do under the under the rug in Arizona. I was

444
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 3: just talking about.

445
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, they So he played with book. So the little dudes,

446
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 4: you know, because he on eed leven. Them dudes was

447
00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 4: like at the time. They was like eight years old

448
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 4: man waking up at five o'clock in the morning going

449
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,639
Speaker 4: to play basketball. So I had to tell him, Man,

450
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 4: all that light skin shit with their curly hair and shit, man,

451
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 4: you got you see them dudes. Them little dudes got

452
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,920
Speaker 4: no teeth. They're gonna have tattoos on the men. They're

453
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,040
Speaker 4: gonna be dunking on you because you out here pretty.

454
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 4: You got the curls and the whole light skin and

455
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 4: nothing against you.

456
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 3: But you know what I'm saying.

457
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 4: I had to tell him, and I told another night

458
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 4: when he was at at out of the Sports Academy

459
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 4: there he living.

460
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 3: I had to tell him because he got a lot

461
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 3: of stuff.

462
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,719
Speaker 4: He got, he got some stuff, and I said, man,

463
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 4: you got to be a little more aggressive. You gotta

464
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 4: become a dog like you starve and to death, like

465
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,400
Speaker 4: you ain't got nothing, Like you can't go home and eat.

466
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 4: You can't be thinking, oh, I got lobster in the

467
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 4: refrigerator when I go home. Now you gotta think refrigerator empty.

468
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 4: You gotta think the same way I thought, if you

469
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 4: really want to take it to the next level.

470
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 3: Same thing. So I told my nephew.

471
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 4: My nephew grew up in my household with me and

472
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 4: my whole family, and he went on and he was

473
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 4: a dog in the league. He keeps getting hurt, but

474
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 4: when he healthy, he redicted. I tell them the same things. Man,

475
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 4: you cannot think about Lamborghini's and shit being parked in

476
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 4: the driveway.

477
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 3: They ain't choice right. In order for you to get that,

478
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,439
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to approach it a different way.

479
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 1: For well, I mean, that's a tough I mean, because

480
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you live in the valley where I live

481
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 1: at there's a there's a ton of us that did

482
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 1: it and so our kids don't have to do it.

483
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,199
Speaker 1: But what's that fine line of letting them knows everybody

484
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 1: don't live behind gates and go to private school but

485
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 1: still have that dog and then still have that appreciation

486
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 1: for the other side.

487
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 4: So what we try to do is we try to

488
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 4: show them right by taking them doing thanksgiving out to

489
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 4: places to help the homeless or whatever. Christmas time. I

490
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 4: want you to see, once upon a time, as eleven

491
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 4: year old kid, that was your father. Okay, I was,

492
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 4: I slapped in the car for a year. So I

493
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 4: want you to have a real perspective on life. All

494
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 4: this glitz and glamour, like Matt said, behind uh you

495
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 4: know gates and all the private school and all that.

496
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 4: Man that ain't that's not real. What's real is when

497
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 4: you go east of Losiana, that's real. When you go

498
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 4: in that pocket over in that area, that's real. And

499
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 4: I try to get them that perspective. When we go

500
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 4: to USC games during the season, I ride to the neighborhood,

501
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 4: I get off the freeway and deliberately, on purpose, take

502
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 4: the long route.

503
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 3: So I want them to be able to.

504
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 4: See you, like, damn, you used to live in this

505
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 4: type of man that house. Look, I guess about the

506
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 4: size of our garage. Yes, it is in all of us, all.

507
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 3: Ten of us in a two bedroom lived today and

508
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 3: was happy at pies about what we eating tonight? Right?

509
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: In fact, what was how were you able as a

510
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: youngster to be able to navigate like you said, growing

511
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: up in a life of crime and then having a

512
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 1: goal of I need to get out. What was how

513
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: were you able to stay focused?

514
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 3: You know? So, so when you're young like I was

515
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 3: at the time, I was doing ship from a criminal standpoint.

516
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 3: That was ridiculous that you sit back and you go,

517
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 3: there's no way this dude ain't no where in the world,

518
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. But I grew up that way.

519
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 3: It's Keyshining. It was key Shining. No, wasn't no nicknames

520
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 3: or nothing. It was just key Shine. But we as

521
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 3: a group.

522
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 4: It makes me laugh and chuckle because I kind of know,

523
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. I like know how we work,

524
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 4: and a lot of my friends, you know, at the

525
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 4: end of the day, they just, like you know, everybody

526
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 4: start getting shot, dying, going to jail, all.

527
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 3: That sort of stuff.

528
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 4: You said, Well, what made me turn? So what made

529
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 4: me turn is I got older and as I got older,

530
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 4: you start getting a little bit older. You start saying, man,

531
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 4: they gonna throw They're gonna throw their key away if

532
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 4: I get in trouble, you know. So now it's like, Okay,

533
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 4: whatever it is that I need to do to get

534
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 4: myself through for these next couple of years, I need

535
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 4: to I need to do it and be done.

536
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 3: With it and try to work on football.

537
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 4: Basketball. So you know, cause I played hoops too, but

538
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 4: I just couldn't grow. I didn't, you know, y'all.

539
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 3: When I saw y'all, I walked in.

540
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 4: Like, because you know, when you play like I played it,

541
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 4: I played against like stage bowls.

542
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 3: Jake kidd all.

543
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 4: Them wasn't tall, and but they wasn't tall. You know

544
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. They was normal, y'all. For your job,

545
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 4: I'm a huge job. Niggas all the Jey John y'all

546
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 4: seven feet tall like, so when you start to look

547
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 4: at it, I was small. I didn't have no handles,

548
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. That I couldn't shoot. I

549
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 4: could do everything else.

550
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,719
Speaker 3: I could defeend because I'm long, I could jump out

551
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 3: the gym, but I couldn't do that. Guy. So I said,

552
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 3: you know what, man, I'm gonna just play football because

553
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 3: I know, at the end of the day, it's getting

554
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 3: ready to be a real check.

555
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 4: And so I said, you know, I'm gonna stop all

556
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 4: the silliness, and this seis I'm a sinkle swim and

557
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 4: that's how that's the true story. I said, I'm a

558
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 4: sinkle swim and if I swim, it's gonna go down

559
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 4: to a whole nother level, you know what I'm saying. Then,

560
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 4: once it started hitting, I used.

561
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: To day a chick from U c L A light skin,

562
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: pretty too, pretty, diculous hair, the whole.

563
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 3: Thing, everything bla blah blah. But she was from the Bay.

564
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: Think about a whole different world, different minu talent.

565
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 3: You know.

566
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 4: She told me Jack, I shouldn't play football. It's a

567
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 4: modern day slavery, right, I looked at I can't. She's

568
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 4: not doing what she's because.

569
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 3: She the Bay here. You know, they independents and everything

570
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 3: is an incense and all that I'm like, come on now,

571
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 3: all that Stevie wonder every day in my house.

572
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 4: Could be ridiculous, ridiculous. Everybody wanted her. I went, I

573
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 4: went and got her, but everybody wanted it.

574
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 3: Right.

575
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 4: So at the end she tried to tell me I

576
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 4: shouldn't play football because it's a modern day slavery.

577
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: You have to give her back.

578
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 3: I'm like, I can't. I ain't gonna be able to

579
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 3: walk down out with this now because you you're tripping.

580
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: You're telling me you want me to go do something different.

581
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 3: This is my calling, you know, football is my calling,

582
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 3: not nothing else. You're telling me go do something different.

583
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 3: I'm get fifty years because that's all I know. What

584
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 3: you want me to do. What you want me to do.

585
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: What you want.

586
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: She's not knowing other option. No, she don't know the

587
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: other options. She's going to use to be a doctor

588
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 3: and all that.

589
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 4: I'm like, that's cool and everything, but I'm getting ready

590
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 4: to hit pay her real soon.

591
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 3: Believe it or that you know.

592
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: Dorset High School, West LA College sc are true with

593
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 1: all due respect, true true true LA legend. Who are

594
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: some of the guys and we can get it. We

595
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: can grab his bottle, just bring it in here, put

596
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: it right on the table.

597
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 3: Who are some other.

598
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 1: Legends and guys you grew up with, the people may

599
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: not know just straight La dudes that they really did

600
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: a big at Dorsy is just in l A, just

601
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: LA and like your era.

602
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 4: Basketball I'll start with tremain folks. Chris Johnson, My man.

603
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 3: I'm throwing a blank. Uh, I'm throwing the blank. Now,

604
00:27:59,119 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 3: how the hell do I throw?

605
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: Just now?

606
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 3: No? No, my man, what's the name? You're gonna help

607
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 3: me with him?

608
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 5: No?

609
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 3: Not not the Bannies. What's his face?

610
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 4: The basketball coach from Yukon, Kevin Kevin a league, So

611
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 4: that was that was part of the basketball world. Then

612
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 4: they had dudes like Ford, and there was some other cats.

613
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 4: But then growing up along the way.

614
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 3: Dry Strawberry, all them was was I was a puppy.

615
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 3: But those were my big boys, Eric Davis and Daryl

616
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 3: Strawberry and Chris Brown. Then those were the baseball cats

617
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: that I grew up watching because I played baseball too,

618
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 3: so I idolized them. Then in terms of football, you had,

619
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 3: uh the late Chris Mills.

620
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 4: Uh, Chris Mims that played for the Chargers, went to Dorsey,

621
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 4: first round pick, played for a long time.

622
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 3: Played in San Diego.

623
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 4: Who else my teammates Lamont Warren played for the Indianapolis

624
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 4: coach for a long time, and we had so many

625
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 4: we had off my high school football team, we had

626
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 4: twelve Seaman Shaw your boy was my college roommate. We

627
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 4: stayed together in college and we went to high school together.

628
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 4: But he went to U Seller I went to SC.

629
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 4: But we were roomies. We had Man, it was a

630
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 4: ton of it was It's so many. It's so many

631
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 4: great athletes that came out of South Central LA. That's like,

632
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 4: it's just crazy.

633
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 3: It's just a ton of dudes. You know, I can't

634
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 3: think of all the names off the top of my head.

635
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 3: But it was a bunch.

636
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 4: Not only that those dudes out in the valley that

637
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 4: that was part of l A unified. The valley is

638
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 4: watered down now like for public schools. It's just like

639
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 4: I think the last I think, the last real go

640
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 4: get her out of a public school might be guilt.

641
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 4: Might be Gilbert right out of public school. Everybody else

642
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 4: is kind of like private school suckers.

643
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: For the most part, Boys in the hood predict a

644
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: good picture of what a kid, Our kid grows up

645
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: that wanted to go to SC, that living.

646
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 4: Kelly's it's absolutely predicted. So you remember the highlight of

647
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 4: Kevin Hicks. That was a real So it's Kevin Hicks.

648
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: That was a real dude. It was nice. So what Jack,

649
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 3: you know, how good our high school team. Was he

650
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 3: checked out because he couldn't get on the field. Con't

651
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 3: it on the field? We was that deep though, We

652
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 3: was so Lamont want well.

653
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 4: First off it was Bean O'Briant, then it was Lamont,

654
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 4: then it was Kareem, which is with Charmanshaw at the time.

655
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 3: Those are our backs, are running backs. Kevin had to

656
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 3: leave and go to Crenshaw because he wasn't gonna get

657
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 3: on the field at all, just wasn't.

658
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 4: And he was legit, legit, and he wound up going

659
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 4: to college and and and theny so much did he

660
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 4: wind up get in trouble with spent the little pokey time.

661
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 4: You know, he got a little got about twenty five years,

662
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 4: not a little bit.

663
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 3: A little bit a little bit, yeah, because it just

664
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 3: you know, if it's sportsman, and if you're not in

665
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 3: sports and entertainment and growing up in South LA, you

666
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 3: either gonna you know, go to jail kill something because

667
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 3: it's just crash of burn. You gotta figure it out.

668
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 3: But we had we had some cats.

669
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's some dudes. Favorite memory of that, see or

670
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: just the time he was there outside of women.

671
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 3: My wife would be watching this shoot you know, the big,

672
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 3: even though you ain't got nothing to do. I didn't

673
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 3: even know you.

674
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 4: You were still in diapers thirty years ago, thirty years ago,

675
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 4: still worried about what I'm doing. Then winning the road,

676
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 4: really winning the Rose Boy graduating so well, it's it's

677
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 4: an effect, right, It's like a It's like a trickle

678
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 4: down effect. So I win the Rose Bowl, I get

679
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 4: drafted number one. Overall, I have a crazy party at

680
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 4: uh House of Blues.

681
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 3: He was too young.

682
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 4: You wasn't even in college yet. I don't think you

683
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 4: went through. I think, Johnny, yeah, I think you did

684
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 4: go on my draft board.

685
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 3: I feel like you did.

686
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 4: And then you graduate from school, something that most dudes

687
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 4: and my position they not even gonna do.

688
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 3: They're not even gonna think about it.

689
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 4: So I had a draft party Jack at this spot

690
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 4: I called Hossele Blues on Sunset. I don't even know

691
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 4: if you was in LA at the time. The House

692
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 4: Blues was still cracking, but it was like the spot.

693
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 4: So I had about two thousand people at my draft party.

694
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 4: I had anywhere from Dion Sanders to Tupac to you,

695
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 4: just any and everybody.

696
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: It was crazy. It was on a whole other level. No,

697
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 3: it was. It was, man, it was, it was.

698
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 4: It was so crazy that it was another So if

699
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 4: you know La and you know Lociana, go let's call

700
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 4: it Crescent Heights right there, if you know that stretch,

701
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 4: they had to shut the whole stretch down because there

702
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 4: was another three thousand people in the streets trying to.

703
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 3: Get into the motherfucker. They couldn't get in because it

704
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 3: was it was crazy. It was. It was like a

705
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 3: whole other level, right. So that and then why I

706
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 3: bring it up is because.

707
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 4: At this time, it wasn't about tequila. It was the

708
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 4: Voka craves, it was the Belve's and the Great Goose.

709
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 4: I probably had a bottle of Great Goose of belvy.

710
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 4: To myself, I think it was a goose.

711
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: That was it.

712
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 3: That was it. That was it. That was it was it.

713
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: And I had a mid term the next day. So

714
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 3: guess what I did.

715
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 4: I left the hotel across the street. Nobody ever thought

716
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 4: that I would go do in the midterm. I went

717
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 4: and took the mid term. I swear to God on

718
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 4: my daughter's grave, I didn't cheating nothing.

719
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 3: B plus and the story still lives this day at

720
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: the university because I didn't need to.

721
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 4: I just hit PEINTERRM about thirty million from I could

722
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 4: chill when I jumped in my Porsche went to school.

723
00:33:54,480 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 3: Yeah I heard. Yeah, this was before of course, top down.

724
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: Me.

725
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 4: That's probably that's Lawrence Phillips. Coolio, you know that's Jim here.

726
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 4: Cut everything right, ain't nothing changed? Wait hold on, let

727
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 4: me see this. So now you just want to see pop.

728
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 3: Man. Now what I'm gonna get there the boy you

729
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 3: got problem, I'm gonna find I'm gonna find my part picture.

730
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 3: Hold on the way. Man, I didn't even invite him.

731
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 3: I didn't even invite him, Pride King.

732
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 4: And so they summons me to the Foundation room because

733
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 4: I'm running around hosting and you know everybody, they watching

734
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 4: everybody perform and all that. They say, Man, d, I

735
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 4: don't want to talk to you who you know what

736
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 4: I'm saying this man, Prime? He here, keep doing it.

737
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 4: I ain't right, So okay, cool, So.

738
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 3: I go up.

739
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 4: Prime sitting in here in the found see sad Pride though,

740
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 4: Pride got jewels on everything. Now that's like y'all meet

741
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 4: Michael Jordan for the first time.

742
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 3: Right. So I'm sitting there and I'm going dam that's Prime.

743
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 3: I'm getting ready to go up against what year is this?

744
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: This is in ninety six and so Prime, you know

745
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 3: he he that dude. So I'm like, damn Prime.

746
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 4: So I'm sitting there talking to But what he wanted

747
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 4: to do was talk to me, educate me on the

748
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 4: pitfalls and NFL what to look for, you know, just wanted.

749
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 3: To be a bit. I'm like, man, this came. I

750
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 3: didn't even write him, but he wanted to be there.

751
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 3: He wanted to see.

752
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's why him and I we like thick

753
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 4: as thieves right now, you know, just because I appreciate

754
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 4: that that that's that's something real.

755
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: He didn't have to do that. No, not at all.

756
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 4: Most dudes have been hating facts. They've been sitting the man,

757
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 4: I'm trying to find this picture.

758
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna find this picture for you. I know I

759
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: got it in here somewhere. Man. You know, man, we was,

760
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 3: we was, we was man, it was turned up. I

761
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 3: can just tell you that it was here.

762
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: Gright, oh, Sugar too, mc hamm and snoog, all of them,

763
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: they all came through.

764
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 3: They all came through because because but you gotta think

765
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 3: think about it though. It's like you from sack, right,

766
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: if you get drafted all sacked, that's how it was.

767
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: I got drafted in l as a little different man.

768
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 3: I'm you know what I'm saying.

769
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 4: It's like he wanted us, and he got all yeah,

770
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 4: for sure, we get ready to we can ready turn

771
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 4: it up and do our thing. And so for me,

772
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 4: it was just like being able to see everybody there man,

773
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 4: and and graduate from school and celebrate the thing.

774
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: And that that's the yeah, the graduation you don't go

775
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: to because like you said, he didn't have to do it.

776
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 3: No, I didn't have to do need it. And then

777
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: I fucked him up though completely though, you know, because USC,

778
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: you know, you know people at USC, you know what.

779
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 3: But that's how I came. You see, I got the

780
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 3: kid take claw on at the graduation, so you know

781
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 3: they really was like, what is this, HBC? What do

782
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: you know? But that was just me. I just I

783
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 3: moved to my own beat. I don't move to other

784
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 3: people's beats.

785
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: The damage you could have did in the n I

786
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure you did very well at us.

787
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 4: See, to be honest with you, I didn't. People all

788
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 4: say that, they all say the battle soon they as soon, man.

789
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 4: I swear to God on my I put this on

790
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 4: my daughter's Like, man, I probably at the most money

791
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 4: I ever got out of the USC from from coaches

792
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 4: or something total, probably two g's.

793
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: That was it.

794
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 3: They can give me nothing, nothing at all. I didn't

795
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 3: I didn't have a fake job. I didn't do nothing.

796
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 4: I didn't do none of that. Some dudes had the

797
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 4: fake jobs. You know back then you can get the

798
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 4: fake job. But they didn't give me nothing. And I

799
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 4: made tons of money for the.

800
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 3: University and the bigger the type of as big as

801
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 3: a player you was. That's what everybody thought that they

802
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 3: keep him home.

803
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 4: I really, to be honest with you, I really didn't

804
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 4: need nothing because my family, you know, they had a

805
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 4: life for crime in the streets.

806
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 3: So I was cool. I was good. I wasn't really tripping.

807
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 3: You know. I didn't need nothing. I was right at

808
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 3: the house.

809
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 4: I get in my Honda court bound right down the

810
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 4: street to Aunties, get some food if I needed to.

811
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 3: I had my apartment whatever my mom was living in.

812
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 3: So I was good.

813
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: I wasn't really tripp So what could you have done

814
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: in the nil world?

815
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 3: They had to put me on le way.

816
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: They couldn't afford them.

817
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 3: They would have to put me on.

818
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: Couldn't afford them that now they had to put me on.

819
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 3: Real talk, I couldn't afford me so expensive. Can you

820
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 3: could number one pick out of sc them dudes, Them

821
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 3: dudes making like, you know, six million right now, they'd

822
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 3: have been triple easy. Ought to have been so triple

823
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 3: so easy. You know it was because back then.

824
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 4: The shoe game wasn't what it is now, right, so

825
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 4: they could actually sign with shoe companies in college.

826
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 3: We couldn't do that back then.

827
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 4: You know, I'm the first dude in the last dude

828
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 4: in the NFL that played professional football. They have a

829
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 4: lifetime deal with a didas most people get lifetime deals

830
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 4: to play basketball, you know, you know Lebron and the

831
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 4: type of dudes.

832
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 3: I mean, I've been. I've been with Adidas since ninety six,

833
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And I don't even play

834
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 3: no more.

835
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 4: But imagine if I could have struck a deal when

836
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 4: I was in college. Oh if I was right now,

837
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 4: Oh man, it'd be crazy.

838
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 3: Oh be crazy.

839
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 4: But my lifestyle was My lifestyle was good though, so

840
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 4: I you know, I lived in Westwood, better fact, I

841
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 4: lived in the Wilsher Manning on Wilshion Boulevard. Yeah, in between.

842
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 4: It was crazy because I just my senior year in

843
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 4: the whole OJ situation was crazy. I lived at the

844
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 4: high rise in between this Barbieri chick that he was

845
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 4: dating in ken Norton Junior.

846
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 3: So I lived.

847
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 4: I lived on like they were one one was above me,

848
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 4: one was belobe. So I came out by apartment gooding

849
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 4: one day on Wilshon. I don't know Wilshire, how crazy

850
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 4: it is.

851
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 3: I came home with apartment moving and I saw all

852
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 3: these TV cameras and ship man my heart and drop.

853
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 3: I thought they was there for me, but they was

854
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 3: there trying to get to the girl because she had

855
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 3: the relationship with OJ, and I didn't know. I was like,

856
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 3: oh man man, probasic blew me up. The dude the

857
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 3: doorman was like, noah, no, they here for old girl.

858
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 4: They waiting on to try to catch her. I was like, oh,

859
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 4: thank god, thank god. But no, they didn't pay me

860
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 4: no money at all.

861
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 3: I ain't getting nothing. I got a lot of perks,

862
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 3: but I don't get the money.

863
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: You know.

864
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 3: I got to the apartments and you know, opportunity to

865
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 3: drive a car stuff like that.

866
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, all day long, all yeah, all day long. Yeah,

867
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 4: because that's that's you know, that's Hollywood, this s C.

868
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 3: You know, even U s l A. Dudes was coming

869
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 3: to s C to hang out because U c l

870
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: A was so weak and doing ship and you dude,

871
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 3: hang out with us. They want to hang out with us.

872
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 3: It was popping. Yeah, we was popping crack it. We

873
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: was popping too.

874
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: We just playing a different sport.

875
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 4: Jelani McCord and they over there want a party in

876
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 4: our campus. You said, like I tried to go to

877
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 4: a party and you sell that.

878
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: So weak us in the middle of the hood, USC,

879
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 3: right in the middle of the hood, ain't it. Yeah right.

880
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 4: I grew up across the street. I used to sit

881
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 4: on top of our apartment and watch the baseball games.

882
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 4: We used to sit on top of the buildings and

883
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 4: watch the baseball game right across street.

884
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, know's it was. It was cool being

885
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 3: able to, you know, stay home and do that whatnot.

886
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: As someone that.

887
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 3: Jay rob he cool. Yeah, that's my man. Yeah, that's

888
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 3: my man.

889
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 4: I can't wait to see Him'm gonna see him here soon,

890
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 4: you know older now Jay Robb, John Robinson is a

891
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 4: little bit older now, so you know you ain't got

892
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 4: many days left.

893
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 3: I want to se him before you check.

894
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: Out, you know, as someone who's been through it and

895
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: have children and hope they were able to go through it.

896
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 3: Players are just.

897
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: Awarded their ninth year of eligibility in college football. Thoughts

898
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: on that, and on top of that, who got a

899
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: war to nine? There's two players just gotta word their

900
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: ninth year of eligibility in college Football's gonna go play

901
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: for prime. He's gonna go get his years at Colorado.

902
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 3: He's gonna be seriously the red zone receiver.

903
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: But redone is twenty yards and he's only going to.

904
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: He's gonna get me off. They're gonna throw it up

905
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: one two downs. If I don't catch him going back

906
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: to the sideline.

907
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 3: Stop it, he'll be playing.

908
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 5: No, we're serious, man, I think kill game, these dud

909
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 5: These dudes playing nine years, bro, year No.

910
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: Nine, nine is long. I've seen six. That's I've seen six. Six.

911
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 3: I get no, you get five. But then it's so

912
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 3: people you get you got hurt.

913
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you get the fifth year, but you got

914
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 4: the COVID year two, the COVID years with everybody banking

915
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 4: on and so they do their petitions to get that

916
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 4: COVID year. I mean, at some point, but at some point, man,

917
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 4: you ain't good.

918
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 3: Sorry, dog, Okay, at some point you got go home.

919
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 3: You didn't even catch COVID bro catch. At some point

920
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 3: you just gotta go home. Yeah, you're just sorry, but

921
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 3: you ain't got it. That's not your talented Somewhere else

922
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 3: outside of sports, that's all not as well. Talk some

923
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 3: some some dudes. You know, it's like the basketball.

924
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 4: I hear it all times, you know, I follow hoops

925
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 4: and whatnot, and and my guy some played basketball, and

926
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 4: so I hear it all times.

927
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 3: Oh my hold my son back, don't matter how many

928
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 3: damn here, It don't matter. If he ain't good, he

929
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 3: ain't good a good Oh they held him back two years. Man,

930
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 3: he's not that dude ain't good. You held him back

931
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 3: ten years. You see it, y'all, y'all know what I'm

932
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 3: talking about. Hell, yeah, it's like, dud's not good. I'm

933
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 3: blind to your boy. Yeah, you're shitting up talking about.

934
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 3: I think I'm holding back so he can play fourteen.

935
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 3: You man, the dude's not good. Man. They did him

936
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 3: go to school, get him education and live life instead

937
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 3: of living vicariously through your kids. We'll be sixteen and fourteen,

938
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 3: you boys gonna be giving him thirty Oh god, yeah,

939
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 3: that's the that's you real talk. That's exactly what we happened.

940
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 3: He said.

941
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: At some point, you just gotta go home. Just gotta

942
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: go take your ball and go home.

943
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 4: Go take your ball and go. Imagine that, y'all. Don't

944
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 4: play with the dudes. Dudes be so much older than it.

945
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: But you gotta think, well, we were coming up, we

946
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 1: played up. We would never go down ever, no matter whatever.

947
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 3: No you go up.

948
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm eighth grade playing going across to play varsity.

949
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: So it's just like you would never think to go down.

950
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they try to go down thinking that that's

951
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 4: gonna allow them to chase Lebron. Stop Lebron James is

952
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 4: different man. He was made in a factory. You know,

953
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 4: they stop thinking that.

954
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: Katy Williams is the real deal. And should the Bears

955
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 1: take him at one?

956
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 4: Man, to be honest with you mean, I think he

957
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 4: is a good quarterback. I don't know that the bast

958
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 4: should take him at one. You know, you want a

959
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 4: dude to get as much money as he can get.

960
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, there's a lot

961
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 4: of factors that fall into place. You go him going

962
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 4: to Chicago replacing Justin Fields.

963
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 3: Why you think that they got to replace Justin Fields

964
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 3: because the ain't got got them coaches that know what

965
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 3: they're doing.

966
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, this man, this man his third year, that had

967
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 4: three office coordinators. How you two head coaches? How do

968
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 4: you expect for him to ever with no help, no receivers?

969
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 4: He just got DJ Moore, just got him. Y'all allowed

970
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 4: roe Qwan Smith to go. Who played for Baltimore. Now

971
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 4: y'all didn't resign him and give him his money Baltimore

972
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 4: and said we'll take you traded for him, gave him

973
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 4: his money. He getting ready to playing THENFC Championship game.

974
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 4: But you want to act as though Justin Fields can't play.

975
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 4: That's not that's so far from the truth. They just

976
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know, man. Sometimes these people that

977
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 4: got this money just because you're a billionaire don't mean

978
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 4: you know what the fuck you're doing.

979
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 3: Just doesn't.

980
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: The only team that we don't know who they coach

981
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: is like you know the names of other coaches. Who

982
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 2: is the fuckers they coach?

983
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 3: Ib F but nobody. Look, nobody know that he was.

984
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 3: He was a defensive coordinator for Indianapolis two years ago. Yeah,

985
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 3: nobody don't know that. Yeah he.

986
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 5: No.

987
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: A lot goes in and people don't understand on the

988
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 1: outside looking at his fans. A lot goes into where

989
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: you're going as a star player.

990
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 3: Let me tell you something, man, I was drafted the

991
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 3: number one overall pick. I was the first. I was

992
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 3: the queen of the ball right on fifteen. And I

993
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 3: still balled out.

994
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 4: You know, I balled out, But it was it was

995
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 4: painful balling because I ain't never experienced that. I died

996
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 4: with the heaven when I got Bill Parcells. You see

997
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.

998
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 3: It changed my life. Man. Oh, man, ooh, I get

999
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 3: to work here, I get to do this. Now.

1000
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 4: Imagine if imagine if I didn't excel in football, Man,

1001
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 4: I'll be working at fucking ups or something.

1002
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. That's just the reality of it.

1003
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 4: Once you die, you go to heaven and you blessed

1004
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 4: by him who's the godfathering many people's eyes about how

1005
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 4: he conducts things. He puts you in the right position

1006
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 4: to make plays right. I mean, if you can knock

1007
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 4: down a three and they not letting you shoot it.

1008
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 4: What's the point if you can knock down threes and

1009
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 4: they lie, we don't want you. We just want you

1010
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 4: to pass the ball when you get across half court, Well,

1011
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 4: what the fuck am I doing here?

1012
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 3: As a cardboard cutout.

1013
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 4: That's what happens the players in the NFL is when

1014
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 4: they get to the wrong systems.

1015
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 3: Because when you're a high.

1016
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: Pick, that's sports in general, yo, any level sports of general.

1017
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 4: You get the wrong system, you're like, come on, man,

1018
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 4: that ain't I can't flourishing this system and to operate

1019
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 4: under these conditions, you know. So if they move on

1020
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 4: from him, I hope Pittsburgh gets him, Atlanta gets him.

1021
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 4: I hope he goes to one of them type of

1022
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 4: teams where all of us. I really hope Mike tom

1023
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 4: to get him out of anybody if they gonna move

1024
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 4: on from for Caleb and Calem's a good player. But

1025
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 4: what it is is the it's the the splash moments

1026
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 4: right the off schedule plays, he's running around, he's throwing

1027
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 4: the ball, doing some of that. Well, that's the same

1028
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 4: thing justin Fields is doing. But y'all are already soured

1029
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 4: on Justin Fields. You see what I'm saying, to go

1030
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 4: get Caleb. Caleb ain't used to playing in that type

1031
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 4: of weather. He doesn't understand in Chicago, man, you gotta

1032
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,959
Speaker 4: have a strong arm. You gotta be stout, you gotta

1033
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 4: be It's a certain physicality that comes with playing in Chicago.

1034
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 3: I don't know that Caleb got that. I don't know that.

1035
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 4: And then on top of that, you're setting the franchise back.

1036
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 4: And what they like to say is we are changing

1037
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 4: the room for money to quarterback room because Justin Fields

1038
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 4: will be up in another year on it or or

1039
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 4: up for an extension. So you got to make a

1040
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 4: decision on whether or not you want to give him

1041
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 4: two hundred plus million dollars or whatever that number is

1042
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 4: gonna be. But if you move on from him, you

1043
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 4: get Caleb Williams. That now lessens the money that you

1044
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 4: gotta pay. But three four years from now, you're gonna

1045
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 4: be looking for another fucking quarterback. If that don't work and.

1046
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 3: Still could be a piece, you get another piece you

1047
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 3: could be adding from the draft.

1048
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 4: You keep just one hundred percent, man, You go get

1049
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison Junior. You can, if you can move down

1050
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 4: out of the one spot. It stayed within the top

1051
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 4: five and somehow figure out how to get Marvin Harrison Juniorston.

1052
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd rather have Marvin. I've just rather I've rather Marven.

1053
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 3: But but yes, another receiver. You can get that, plus

1054
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 3: office in line. You can build, you know, and you

1055
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 3: can build. But I don't know. Man, if I'm Caleb,

1056
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 3: I'm want to go Chicago anyway. It's a mess. You know.

1057
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,439
Speaker 4: He need to go somewhere with a stable organization where

1058
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 4: the owner is good, the general managers good, and there's

1059
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 4: no uncertainty because it's uncertainty in Chicago.

1060
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 3: What was your combine experience? Like I I was, I

1061
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 3: was fresh, that's all.

1062
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 1: I remember.

1063
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 3: I had the gold chain on the big old three

1064
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 3: en diamonds. Now, I do I remember that, like me

1065
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 3: and my man Meek was talking about that the other day.

1066
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 3: We just it was a good experience. I mean, I

1067
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 3: didn't do much.

1068
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 1: You knew who else who else was in your draft

1069
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: that it was back and forth between you and somewhere.

1070
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: You were the clear cut number one the whole time

1071
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: I was.

1072
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 3: I was, I was.

1073
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 4: It was back and forward with me and Lawrence Phillips

1074
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 4: from nebrass could have running back. But just like anything,

1075
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 4: once you do to do diligence. Once they did, they

1076
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,919
Speaker 4: do diligence. Shaq Harrison was like and Leon Hester owner,

1077
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 4: They was like, no, we can't. This is the guy,

1078
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 4: you know, period because when I went so when I

1079
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 4: went to the combine, you know, I did all the

1080
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 4: little drills and stuff. I wasn't I wasn't afraid to

1081
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 4: do nothing. And before they didn't even let you do

1082
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 4: two twenty five. Like you you couldn't lift weight. Receivers

1083
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 4: didn't lift weight to It was.

1084
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 3: For linebackers in line. So I just did the shit,

1085
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 3: just on some freak shit, just let you see what

1086
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 3: I can do.

1087
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 4: So I slid up under the two twenty five and

1088
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 4: bounced them off my chest like eighteen nineteen times and

1089
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 4: laughed at it, you know, and so they like, big, oh,

1090
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 4: we need this dude. And so in the interviews I

1091
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 4: did well. Obviously in the interviews and everything. It was

1092
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 4: good experience. Then they it was two the Wonderlick tests.

1093
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 4: I completely batched it because I just went in and

1094
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 4: just I mean I knew I was going one. So

1095
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 4: I just went in, but probably got the worst score

1096
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 4: in the history of the Wonder don't give a fuck

1097
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, didn't give a fuck.

1098
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 3: And they knew it too.

1099
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 4: The New York Giants has a psychological evaluation test that

1100
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 4: they do. It's like, I want to say, man, it

1101
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 4: might be five hundred words or whatever you gotta you know,

1102
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 4: I told them take me off their board, said man,

1103
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 4: I'm not even gonna be there at the fifth pick.

1104
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 4: I said, I'm not taking y'all. They said, well, we're

1105
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 4: gonna Jeremiah. Jeremiah, the scout that had our area. He

1106
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 4: told me, says, if you don't tell my agent and me,

1107
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 4: he said, if he does not take the psychological evaluation tests,

1108
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 4: were taking him off the board. And so when he

1109
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 4: told me that too in the little area, I told him, said, many,

1110
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 4: I'm about to take off. I'm not gonna be there

1111
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 4: at five. It's not happening. I'm not even worried about it.

1112
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, you don't know these hate things.

1113
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 3: Miss me. Man. I'm good, I'm straight, So I'll go

1114
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 3: and do everything I was supposed to do.

1115
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 4: I bench I run fast, you know, I was at

1116
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 4: the time, I was about two twenty and I went

1117
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 4: like four four five and four four three. Uh yea

1118
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 4: four four five four fourth three. The first one I

1119
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 4: went four fourth three. The second when I went four

1120
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 4: four five and I broad jump was whatever. Eleven. It

1121
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 4: was like crazy numbers and shit vertical was in the

1122
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 4: thirty nine forty. It was like everything that you look at,

1123
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 4: you go. And I had a different personality too. So

1124
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 4: in going to New York, when New York made a

1125
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 4: decision to draft me, they wasn't just drafted a player.

1126
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 4: They was drafted the player to change the entire landscape

1127
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 4: of the franchise Meani. When I first got to New York,

1128
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 4: them negros was driving trucks and shit, I rolled up

1129
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 4: in the Ferrari. Next thing you know, they was wearing

1130
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 4: suits and rolexes and you don't see what I'm saying that.

1131
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 3: So my style rubbed off on them. Dudes.

1132
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 4: Oh it set the standard and my aggressive nature. That's

1133
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 4: just how I played football and how I approached it.

1134
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 4: I was all business, serious business with everything. That's how

1135
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 4: you become the number one pick.

1136
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: Like.

1137
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 3: I didn't settle for mediocrity. It just wasn't.

1138
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 4: Man, We're not doing that. And so everybody look at that,

1139
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 4: they go, man crazy, like no, No, I'm not. It's

1140
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 4: just that I'm not accepting this as a standard in behavior.

1141
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 3: And then a year later.

1142
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 4: Winn the AFC Championship Game quarterback and my rookie year,

1143
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 4: I had a dude named Neil o'donald, Nil o'donald.

1144
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: He was in Pittsburgh. First right, keep him, but yeah,

1145
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: you could have kept you.

1146
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 4: Then I had Glynn Man. I played eleven seasons. I

1147
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 4: played with eighteen different quarterbacks. I ain't never had the

1148
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 4: same quarterback. See, these are the type of arguments you

1149
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 4: get into people or barbershop conversation with my dudes. I

1150
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 4: ain't never had the same quarterback two years in a row.

1151
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 4: In eleven season, I left the game because I didn't

1152
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 4: want to play anymore. I had accomplished so much, so

1153
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 4: fat I had Pro Bowls. You know, I ate Pineapper

1154
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,439
Speaker 4: early in my career. Some of these dudes, they don't

1155
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,439
Speaker 4: even understand that. They think the Pro Bowl is something

1156
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 4: now Like when we played, it was a real Pro Bowl.

1157
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 4: It was real tackling and hitting, and so I accomplished

1158
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 4: everything so early in my career.

1159
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 3: I got bored. I'm like, because I'm not. I wasn't

1160
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 3: never chasing greatness.

1161
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 4: My greatness was getting my mama up out them projects

1162
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 4: in an apartment building.

1163
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying.

1164
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 4: When we got to walk up them stairs and it

1165
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 4: go in and it's only one room and it's nine

1166
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 4: to ten people laying around.

1167
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 3: That was my goal.

1168
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,399
Speaker 4: My goal wasn't the Hall of Fame jacket was none

1169
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 4: of that. Was about getting the bread to get my

1170
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 4: mommy what she needed. That's all I cared about.

1171
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 3: So a lot of people when they look at numbers

1172
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 3: and they look they the longer you played, the bigger

1173
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 3: your numbers gonna be. Everybody know that. You know what

1174
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Just look at the time spend that I spent.

1175
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: But more importantly, a consistent quarterback, especially for receiver.

1176
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 3: Think about it. If you had.

1177
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 4: A point guard passing you the ball with a I

1178
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 4: get to go on the clock and you're trying to shoot,

1179
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 4: how did you you all off?

1180
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 3: That's how it was for me were quarterback.

1181
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 4: Maybe you know the best one I ever had was

1182
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 4: Vinnie Testaverdy by far, and when I got Vinnie, Vinnie

1183
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 4: was a thousand years old when I got him, Vinnie

1184
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 4: might have been Vinnie might have been.

1185
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 3: Thirty seven at the time that I got and then

1186
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 3: I got him a second time in Dallas. You see

1187
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

1188
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 4: So I never started a season with the same quarterback

1189
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 4: and ended with that dude except one year. That was

1190
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 4: it because every year, even when I had Brad those

1191
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 4: two years, Brad wasn't there consistent.

1192
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 3: He was in and out, in and out, in and out.

1193
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 3: But I don't complain.

1194
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 4: You know, I tell people all the time, it's only

1195
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 4: two people, two people that I would trade my career for.

1196
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 4: Two That's it, Jerry Rice and Michael Ervin. I'm the

1197
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 4: only two dudes that I would trade my career for.

1198
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, Brad Johnson, Sean King.

1199
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 4: And I had Sean King and Brad Johnson, Rob Johnson

1200
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 4: and Brad Johnson. Then I got Quincy Carter with Dallas,

1201
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 4: and then I got but it was Brad and Sean

1202
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 4: for the Super Bowl team, right it was now it

1203
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 4: was I don't even know Sean was on the team.

1204
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 4: Sean was on the team but didn't play. Rob Johnson

1205
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 4: was the number two, and I think I think I'm

1206
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 4: trying to think. I think Sean was the three. Yeah,

1207
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 4: he was the three. Yeah, So you know I had

1208
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 4: them basically in Tampa them three quarterbacks. Then I got

1209
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 4: the Dallas. I started with Quincy Carter. Then they bringing

1210
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 4: me Vinnie Vinnie.

1211
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 3: You know, he looked like you. He got great beers

1212
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 3: and shit so old as hell.

1213
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 4: So but he was still good. He was still serviceable.

1214
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 4: Then I got Blacksoe. No, then I had Drew Henson.

1215
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: M I should have went to baseball.

1216
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 4: He did, got a baseball. I couldn't hit the curved ball.

1217
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 4: And then he had to come back to football. Then

1218
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 4: I had Drew Blatsoe.

1219
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 3: Then I leave there.

1220
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 4: I go to Carolina. In one year, I played with

1221
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 4: four different quarterbacks in Carolina. In one year, I had

1222
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 4: Jake DeLong, Chris Winky, some other dude than some other dude.

1223
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 4: So I couldn't catch a break, you know, But I

1224
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 4: ain't no complaining. I can't complain at the end of

1225
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 4: the day because guess what, as long as the check's clear.

1226
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 3: Men at the end of the day. Oh man.

1227
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 4: I tell people all time saying, man, the only two

1228
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 4: dudes I trade my career for the only reason why,

1229
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 4: because Jerry's the greatest ever do it to. Michael Verman

1230
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 4: was as cold blood as they come. That's why he

1231
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 4: got the nickname the Playmaker, and he got three Super

1232
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 4: Bowl rings. Other than that, I don't other dudes, I

1233
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 4: don't care about nobody else in the statistics and all

1234
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 4: that means nothing to me zero, But I bet you

1235
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 4: a lot of them would love to have my post

1236
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 4: career talk.

1237
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 3: So I'm just saying, what.

1238
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 2: Was your welcome to the NFL moment he wise or

1239
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 2: what like period? What was your when you when you

1240
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,439
Speaker 2: got to the NFL? What was the moment like, damn,

1241
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 2: I'm here.

1242
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like you came on you. You

1243
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: was good on the life side. What was your field

1244
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: NFL Welcome to the NFL.

1245
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 4: Move AFC AFC Divisional game. AFC Divisional game against Jacksonville

1246
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 4: was my first playoff game. That's when I knew this

1247
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 4: shit getting maybe be easy, because when you look at it,

1248
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 4: I dominated the game to a whole another level, like

1249
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 4: something you ain't never seen before. I scored a touchdown there,

1250
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 4: I ran one on the ground, I caused it for

1251
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 4: a recovery fum and got an interception, and in a

1252
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 4: playoff game of a team that hadn't been in the playoffs.

1253
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: For like a hundred years.

1254
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying. They hadn't been to the

1255
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 3: playoffs forever.

1256
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 4: So to me, it was like that moment against Jacksonville

1257
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 4: because I from the start to finish I just dominated. Now,

1258
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 4: all year long, I was dominated, but that particular game,

1259
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 4: the world got to see what the talent really was about.

1260
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 3: So to me, that was like, like, yeah, I'm here

1261
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 3: to stay. They ain't gonna they can't. They can't, they

1262
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 3: ain't gonna be able to do.

1263
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 4: That would be you know, if I had a quarterback, Man,

1264
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 4: if I had it, if I had a QB five

1265
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 4: years in a row, just give me one for five years.

1266
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 3: In a row.

1267
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 4: All these other dudes running around with these quarterbacks on

1268
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 4: a consistent basis, give me one for five years in

1269
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 4: a row and see what I can do. Because I

1270
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 4: in my numbers in terms of like when I retired

1271
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 4: numbers wise, there was only like one or two people

1272
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 4: in the Hall of Fame with better numbers than me

1273
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 4: when I retire.

1274
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 3: Now everybody in.

1275
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 4: Pass me now because that's just the way it goes.

1276
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 4: But if I had one quarterback for four or five

1277
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 4: years in a row and these dudes be out there

1278
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 4: complaining about getting the ball, I'm like, man, come on, man,

1279
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 4: stop it.

1280
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 3: They paying you a lot. Give me Patrick Mahomes, Just

1281
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 3: give me. Give me Patrick mahoonmes for a couple of years.

1282
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 3: I'm show you I can do.

1283
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 4: I'll show you what I can do. But you know

1284
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 4: you can't control that. You just got to do what

1285
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 4: the best you could do and how you do it.

1286
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 4: But that was my moment right there was that that

1287
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 4: playoff game.

1288
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: Did you have any rookie duties coming in at the

1289
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: number one pick? Missed me with all that?

1290
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 3: You really want to know the truth, Matt?

1291
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like, but yeah, I want to

1292
00:59:58,880 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: know it.

1293
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 3: Couldn't tell me shit. Yeah, So so check this out though.

1294
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 4: So when I get there, the Jets and the rookie

1295
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 4: they want you to sing and do all that. You know,

1296
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 4: the first thing I told them I didn't get drafted

1297
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 4: to sing. I got drafted to play football. And if

1298
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 4: any of you motherfuckers touched me, we're gonna have some

1299
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 4: real issues because you know, he's gonna tie you up

1300
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 4: and they gonna just say, man, you can ask any

1301
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 4: of my teammates that was with me. They'll tell you

1302
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 4: to say bullshit because I wasn't playing, you know, I wasn't.

1303
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 4: I just wasn't messing. I wasn't my mind when I

1304
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 4: went to New York. It was about conquering New York

1305
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 4: and turning this team into something.

1306
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying. I went from one to

1307
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 3: fifteen to AFC Championship.

1308
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 4: Game a year later. So you sit there and you go,

1309
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 4: this is this is why I'm here. I'm here to

1310
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 4: play football and win at a certain level, not to

1311
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 4: play around and be dancing and going and get donuts

1312
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 4: and ship.

1313
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 3: Man ain't got time for all that. And some people

1314
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 3: were rubbing the wrong way. He ain't following it. Okay,

1315
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,959
Speaker 3: keep it moving, y'all. Get over it, Go get done,

1316
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 3: Go get popeyees chicken. Like what, I'm the wrong I

1317
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 3: can the wrong one. I'm the wrong one, you know.

1318
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 3: But all my teammates though except Sap fat ass hate now.

1319
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 3: He the only one. Everybody else loved me. He the

1320
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:14,919
Speaker 3: only one.

1321
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 4: That's some jealousy though, that's all that. That's just that's

1322
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 4: the pure jealousy. That's the only thing that is. You know,

1323
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 4: Just stay in your lane, that's all.

1324
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 3: You gotta do. Mind your business, leave me alone, keep

1325
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 3: my name out of your mouth for we good. How

1326
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 3: long your home? How long, your sap, I've been beefing, bro,

1327
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 3: how long has he been beefing with you? Why would

1328
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 3: I what's the issue? What's the issue? Thing I could

1329
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 3: point to is my looks. That's the only thing I

1330
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 3: realpoint to.

1331
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 4: That's the only I could just point to my looks

1332
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 4: and how I get down. You see what I'm saying,

1333
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 4: That's the only thing I can think of, because I

1334
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 4: ain't never, I ain't never had no problem with him.

1335
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 4: See the type of thing I like man, I like him,

1336
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 4: I greet him, I hugg him, I do all that

1337
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 4: when I sing, and a problem with you, he got

1338
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 4: a problem with me. You see what I'm saying, Like,

1339
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 4: I don't have no none. I saw him at the

1340
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 4: Colorado USC game. He won't take selfie with me, and

1341
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 4: then a day later he go and trash me to

1342
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 4: the like what so then I had to then I

1343
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 4: had to take the proper the etiquette and approach him

1344
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 4: in a very different manner there, mister Jackson.

1345
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 3: You know I had to do. I had to gut

1346
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 3: him a different way. I had to gut him a

1347
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 3: different way.

1348
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 4: Very I would particulate, very articularly, very stute of me

1349
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 4: to you know, I just hit him real quick with

1350
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 4: a because he it was no need too.

1351
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 3: But I don't know, to be honest with you, jack Man,

1352
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 3: I don't even know. I have no I like, why

1353
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 3: you don't like me? What did I do? That's why

1354
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 3: I asked both of y'all.

1355
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 4: But but but you know how it is when you

1356
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 4: move a certain way. You see what I'm saying. When

1357
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 4: you move a certain way, people got a problem.

1358
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 3: With how you move. I get that too. You get that.

1359
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I move a certain way

1360
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 3: when I walk in the room. The room moves a

1361
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 3: certain way. So some people have a problem. So when

1362
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 3: I first got there, they gave me I don't know

1363
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 3: what it was.

1364
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 4: It's sixty something million whatever, about sixteen of it upfront,

1365
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 4: the whole deal. So that immediately, well him, you see

1366
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, him, not people him, because the room

1367
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 4: moves different.

1368
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 3: You know how I go.

1369
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 4: It's like, I don't know, I'm trying to think with

1370
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 4: certain people walk in the room. No matter who you with,

1371
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 4: Tiger Woods walks in the room, no matter what you

1372
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 4: think about it, the room gonna feel different. And so

1373
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 4: when I walk in the locker room, you know our

1374
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 4: locker room's offense on one side, defenses on another. That's

1375
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 4: just how the locker rooms are. But the defense all

1376
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 4: of a sudden starting to hang out on the offensive

1377
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 4: side because it's a certain person is in the room.

1378
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying. I don't need to try

1379
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 4: to one up you. I'm already up on you just

1380
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,439
Speaker 4: because it's me. You see what I'm saying.

1381
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 3: So now you take an issue with me for no

1382
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 3: reason at all. You see what I'm saying, because you

1383
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 3: can't move like me, So you creating a fictitious negativity

1384
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 3: in your mind to hate on me for no reason

1385
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 3: at all.

1386
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: He was he was treating He was treating like he

1387
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: was like skinned. Now you said, welcome to the club.

1388
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 3: Now you see.

1389
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 4: My best friend, one of my best friends, my lawyer,

1390
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 4: one of my lawyers, he like, you know what I'm saying.

1391
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 4: We get hated on a lite for no reason. That's

1392
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 4: why I'm saying, you guys, get look at it.

1393
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: He don't want to admit it. He don't want to

1394
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: admit it.

1395
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 3: He yellow for sure. My kids is like my kids

1396
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 3: they call me they they did that, uh twenty three

1397
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 3: and me and all that they know. I just want

1398
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 3: to do it. I don't care, but they all did it.

1399
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 3: They got all this different stuff.

1400
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 4: So my daughter comes back with a trace of Nigeria

1401
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 4: in her right, so they at wanna say I'm from Nigeria.

1402
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 3: Now that's just like crazy though, you know, it's like

1403
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 3: I mixed kids and they just crazy as all out door.

1404
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 4: But yeah, SAT don't eat you man, I bless ing man.

1405
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 4: I just I hope things work out for him. That's

1406
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 4: all I can say. I can't, you know, That's about all.

1407
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 3: I think he's opposed to. But I think they might

1408
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 3: have ran into a little bit of a snag. You know,

1409
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 3: hopefully hopefully that worked out. Hopefully hopefully that worked, hopefully

1410
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 3: worked out.

1411
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 4: But I think they ran into a little I read

1412
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 4: something yesterday that there's there is a little bit of

1413
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 4: a snag possibly holding holding the whole thing up with prime.

1414
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 3: But I think they'll get through it because I like

1415
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 3: Look man, I genuinely like him. Helped me win the

1416
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 3: Super Bowl.

1417
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 4: I tell I tell people all time, it's one of

1418
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 4: the best fucking defensive tackles I've ever seen. Flight I

1419
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 4: watched him, But the mother fucker crazy, that's all. He's

1420
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 4: just like, there's no need to always have this this, this, this,

1421
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,040
Speaker 4: this stain from me. I ain't done nothing. Ain't you

1422
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 4: sleep with your wife or nothing?

1423
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 3: Man? What you what? You mad at me for it?

1424
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 3: Leave me alone? I didn't break up your family, Like

1425
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 3: leave me alone. But he just you know, that's all

1426
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 3: I say. I I don't know what else to say,

1427
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 3: you know. And then when we get into it, all

1428
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 3: the other Brooks and them, they texted me, They're like, man,

1429
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 3: leave that. Dude. Ain't done nothing. Yeah, you ain't done

1430
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 3: thath what you made? Be the bigger man kid.

1431
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 4: I'm like, man, I just had enough of him when

1432
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 4: I had to get at him though, because I know

1433
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:25,919
Speaker 4: you let shit go for a long time.

1434
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 3: You don't say nothing, just.

1435
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 4: Like I don't even but it's been going on for

1436
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 4: so long, so long. Then he went to Jason Woodlock

1437
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 4: and that and that whole thing, and I saw it.

1438
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 4: Somebody sent it to me. That's dude, I said, I

1439
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 4: got it on your trip.

1440
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: You know.

1441
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 3: I just had to just real quick, you know, real,

1442
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 3: just real quick, just nice and easy. He felt it,

1443
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 3: definitely felt it. Uh. You matched up with Dion early

1444
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 3: on early early was he was he still prime or

1445
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 3: you was just like that at the time. No, I

1446
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 3: was like that, but he was Prime. He still was Prime.

1447
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 4: I caught a ball on him and I spent to

1448
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 4: the outside and I thought I was gone. Most people

1449
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 4: nine ten out, it's over. And I looked up and

1450
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 4: the dude when I spent on him outside, I think

1451
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 4: I stiffed. I kind of like pushed off on him

1452
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 4: and I hit the side. I hit the scene I do.

1453
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 4: It was like the work come here because he soaked

1454
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 4: damn fast.

1455
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 3: You know, he just and he big too. He's not small.

1456
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 3: People don't realize how big Prime is. Prime is.

1457
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 4: It was crazy. And then I played against him in Washington.

1458
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 4: When he went to Washington. I saw him with the

1459
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 4: Cowboys and I saw him with Washington.

1460
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 3: Uh.

1461
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 4: I had just signed with Tampa Bay, just signed. We

1462
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 4: played Washington the first preseason game.

1463
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 3: Was it him and dal Green? Still yeah Green? Yeah yeah,

1464
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 3: he uh. He grabbed They threw a ball to me.

1465
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 4: Shine threw a ball, climbed the ladder to go get it,

1466
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 4: and he snapped and when he grabbed me, he pulled

1467
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 4: me down, twisted up my whole knee and everything. I

1468
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 4: thought I tore my acl everything, but I did. I

1469
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 4: just twisted up and I didn't play rest of the game,

1470
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 4: but he was like he was all panicked.

1471
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm good, but he Prime was Prime was agit.

1472
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 3: I mean what you're gonna say. He was a coach.

1473
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 3: Dorug Gring was good too. Gr Gring was just too

1474
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 3: small for me.

1475
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: Fast, super fast.

1476
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 3: I had to blocking one time. Well I caught balls

1477
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:22,759
Speaker 3: on him, but I had to blocking.

1478
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 4: I felt so bad because he was smaller than me

1479
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 4: that I didn't even I respected him like I could have.

1480
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:29,759
Speaker 3: Like if it would have been any of these other dudes,

1481
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 3: if you, oh man, i'd have ran him to the water.

1482
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 3: But but him, I did. I just kind of like, God,

1483
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 3: I ain't even gonna do you like this. You're older, and.

1484
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: This was you about six four league. Yeah, yeah as

1485
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 1: a receiver.

1486
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I wasn't a fat two twenty. I was

1487
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 4: ripped up, like because they like to say, monkey man

1488
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 4: looking crazy. He didn't even look right. Yeah, ripped up

1489
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 4: because you're working hard. You know, we ain't sitting up

1490
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 4: here drinking with y'all and doing all that. I'm I

1491
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 4: didn't even really start drinking probably the middle to the

1492
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,600
Speaker 4: end of my career. I never used to drink go

1493
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 4: to the go to the clubs and hang out and

1494
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 4: stuff like that. Never would never would drink. Let all

1495
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 4: the homies them drink or whatever, and then we'll figure

1496
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 4: it out later on.

1497
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 2: Uh, you stepped in the league with your own shoe.

1498
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 2: What do you remember vividly about the Adidas process?

1499
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 3: So this is crazy, man, this is this is this

1500
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 3: is a little crazy, right, bottle gun. Yeah, I told

1501
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,799
Speaker 3: you I was gonna finish it. The crazy, the crazy

1502
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 3: thing about it. So check this out.

1503
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 4: So in nineteen ninety six, the shoe darling of the world,

1504
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 4: Sonny vic Carol, Yes, right, yes.

1505
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 3: So I go to sc We're Nike school. So what

1506
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 3: I do for the Rose Bowl National audience and everything

1507
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,839
Speaker 3: is I covered my Nike shoes with these black sleeves

1508
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 3: that equipment manager made for me because I knew that

1509
01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:59,719
Speaker 3: I was gonna sign with Adidas right after the game.

1510
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 3: So I didn't give them. I'm the MVP two twenty whatever,

1511
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 3: rosebull Holder. They get nothing out of me, Nike, so

1512
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 3: you know, they pissed. So me and Sonny we signed.

1513
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 4: Everybody said we signed up a date they do the

1514
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 4: deal with So now I think about a week later,

1515
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 4: we're going to Portland, but guess who with me going

1516
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 4: to Portland?

1517
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,759
Speaker 3: Kobe Bryant. So me and Kobe are on the flight

1518
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 3: together on a private jet going up to Oregon.

1519
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 4: So you know how you always do something. They every

1520
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 4: time you do something, somebody got something for you to sign.

1521
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 4: When you're doing it, it's like, oh, you know, just

1522
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 4: a couple of our sponsors we want you to sign.

1523
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 3: So it's like a stack of U pictures and stuff.

1524
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 3: It's probably like about thirty of them he had to sign.

1525
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 3: He is, I had to sign hot. So I'm over there.

1526
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 4: You know, I'm like high school you know, I'm like,

1527
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 4: it's Kobe Bryant though right now that you think about it,

1528
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 4: but I'm like high school kid act.

1529
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 3: So now I'm over there signing. He done. He looked

1530
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 3: at me, go whatch doing? Man?

1531
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 4: I said, I'm still signing my savings. She says, you signed,

1532
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 4: let me see it. So I'm writing key Shan Johnson

1533
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 4: number three. So that's all day, right, He go bed.

1534
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 3: He said to me, said, there's only one Keyshan, just

1535
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 3: like there's only one Kobe. He goes, Kobe eight. That's

1536
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 3: how I.

1537
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 4: Changed my signature to just Keishin because of that moment,

1538
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 4: so we go up to Portland when we do the

1539
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 4: whole thing, and they roll out the presentation and here's

1540
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 4: what we're gonna do signature shoe, and here's the clothes

1541
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 4: and here's the gear and all that what you like,

1542
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:34,600
Speaker 4: and so we meet with the team of people and

1543
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 4: they put everything together and then you just sign off

1544
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 4: on it.

1545
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 3: He the only one went that way to Nike.

1546
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 2: Because remember, like you said, you mean to a, DDA

1547
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 2: said didas Yeah, I mean because Sony mc carroll had him,

1548
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 2: Tim Thomas and Jamaine on this.

1549
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, all supposed to come out of high school that year. Yeah. Yeah.

1550
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 4: And so that's how I learned to sill my signature

1551
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 4: because the first of it was all Keishan Johnson and

1552
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 4: Keshan john Yeah. It was all day because I'm like,

1553
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 4: you know, he finished so fast, but this was just

1554
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 4: Kobe Hey and then I was like showing me.

1555
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, cool, I'm changing mind up too.

1556
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:10,679
Speaker 3: I was crazy, right is. I shot my first commercial

1557
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 3: with him ever, the whole thing shot my first commercial.

1558
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: Huh talked to us about that commercial.

1559
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 3: Man. It was the it was the ESPN. It was

1560
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 3: an ESPN commercial. They called it, uh school. It was

1561
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:25,640
Speaker 3: like school, but so it was. It was it was

1562
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 3: Stu Scott, me, him and Kenny Main I think it was.

1563
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 1: I think that's who it was.

1564
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 4: And so we did it in Bristol and they was

1565
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 4: teaching us, basically media school, how to talk to the media,

1566
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 4: because we were supposed to come in and just be

1567
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 4: like we were soft kids basically at the end of

1568
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 4: the day, and they wanted us to be out, you know,

1569
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 4: like fuck that they blew the call, you know, at

1570
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 4: the press conference, and we was just like, you know,

1571
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 4: sitting there like it was a nice call, you know,

1572
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,600
Speaker 4: and they wanted us to be more aggressive with it.

1573
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:57,600
Speaker 4: It was cool though, it was a it was a

1574
01:12:57,920 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 4: it was of course, it's probably one of the best

1575
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 4: commercials they ever made. Eight Yeah, but it's crazy. It's

1576
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 4: just it's crazy that when you look back at it

1577
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:06,640
Speaker 4: and you look at him and you look at me, man,

1578
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:07,600
Speaker 4: we look like toothpicks.

1579
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 3: It's so skinny. It's just all young as hell. It was.

1580
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 4: So it was and uh, they came to play the

1581
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 4: Knicks his rookie year, and this was at a time

1582
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 4: in the NBA y'all experience, because y'all played where the

1583
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 4: teams would have two and three and four Knights in

1584
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 4: that town to stay, and he was eighteen years old.

1585
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 3: He wanted to go to the Chinae Club with me,

1586
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 3: so I'm like, okay, we'll go out. Dude came with

1587
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 3: the high school I d they weren't gonna let y

1588
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 3: me in. You know, I'm like, come on, Cole. I

1589
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 3: was trying to work by magic, but they just was like, yeah,

1590
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 3: let happened. He came with his high school ID.

1591
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 1: In New York.

1592
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:04,719
Speaker 2: After you left the Jets, signed with the Bucks, become

1593
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 2: the highest paid, receiving the league eight years, fifty six million.

1594
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 3: How was that feeling? It was cool?

1595
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 4: It was it was to be honest with you, I

1596
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 4: really didn't trip on the money because I had already

1597
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 4: gotten money from my rookie deal on.

1598
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 3: The league though. Yeah if that lasted the fucking year.

1599
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 3: Moss came right behind. Yeah, yeah, but no, it was cool.

1600
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying to you about you're gonna get

1601
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 3: that right.

1602
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, that Hey factored in there. You know, you the

1603
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 4: highest paid at your position. So typically when you the

1604
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 4: highest paid, that means you the guy. They not paying

1605
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 4: you the most money unless you the god. So when

1606
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 4: they traded it for me. I probably could have got

1607
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 4: more out of them, but I got tired of negotiating.

1608
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:43,560
Speaker 4: I could have probably I bet you we could have

1609
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 4: gotten the five million out of them. But I told

1610
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 4: my agent, I told you m I said, man, let

1611
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 4: me done.

1612
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 3: Man, I'm I'm happy this is. You know, I don't

1613
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 3: need to set the set it so high because somebody

1614
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 3: gonna pass me anyway.

1615
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:56,640
Speaker 1: You know.

1616
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 4: It was one of the negotiations where you know, parcels

1617
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 4: when they first said they was gonna trade me because

1618
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 4: I because originally I wanted the Jets to redo my deal,

1619
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 4: but I had two years left on my contract.

1620
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 3: They wasn't gonna do it. So I just told my agent,

1621
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 3: I said, just telling I'm gona stay home, man, I'm done.

1622
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 3: Ain't gonna pay fotball and mom, I'm just gonna go

1623
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 3: back to school and just finish up master's degree or whatever.

1624
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 3: And he delivered the message to him and told her

1625
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 3: he said he just ain't gona play football. He good,

1626
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 3: you know. And then I came back.

1627
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 4: I said, you know what, I'm gonna get my credited season.

1628
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 4: I'm gonna come in six games left in the year.

1629
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 4: I'm be three hundred and fiftyounds. Y'all gonna give you

1630
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 4: my credit season. I'mna hit free agency anyway, So y'all

1631
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 4: make the decision.

1632
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 3: So Bill, Bill like, I'm.

1633
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 4: Not coaching right now. Because he stepped down. Bill said,

1634
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:42,719
Speaker 4: I'm gonna trade. You said, okay, Well what's happening?

1635
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 3: He said, well, I got I got Green Bay. Baby, man,

1636
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 3: I'd go play with far him. I'm like, I don't

1637
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 3: want to live in Green Bay.

1638
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 4: You know how much the ticket prices will be coming

1639
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 4: in and out of there for people to visit with me.

1640
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 4: I gotta import export the import. They go crazy in

1641
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 4: Green Bay. So I said, no, I ain't doing it.

1642
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 4: So then it was Baltimore. They had the fourth pick.

1643
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 4: He said, you want to go to Baltimore. I said,

1644
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 4: I don't want to go to Baltimore. They don't pass

1645
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 4: the ball. So he said, here's what I'm gonna do.

1646
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 4: I got two number ones in Tampa Bay.

1647
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:13,799
Speaker 3: So I said, damn. They did just lose to the Rams.

1648
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 3: My man BK is down there, my teammate. You know what.

1649
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 3: Let me get on the phone. So I called b K.

1650
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, So I started asking him questions about

1651
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 4: the team and the city and stuff. He's like, yeah,

1652
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 4: So I went back to my agent told him, say,

1653
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 4: I'll go to Tampa. So then we meet with the

1654
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 4: general manager here in la at four Seasons. It's so

1655
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 4: crazy because Rich McKay was sitting with us at at lunch.

1656
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 4: The owner of the Giants was in the corner, but

1657
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 4: he didn't know what we was there for.

1658
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 3: You know, he was like, damn. We walked in.

1659
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 4: He was like, damn, the Giants on the here Steve Tish,

1660
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 4: but he didn't know what he was doing. And then

1661
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 4: you know, it was negotiating. And so my agent said, hey,

1662
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 4: let's just fly to Orlando and go hang out with

1663
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 4: B Shaw and them down in Orlando, because he was

1664
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:00,680
Speaker 4: repping b at the time. And he said, let's go

1665
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 4: hang out with be in Orlando, and I'll go and

1666
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 4: drive into Tampa and negotiate with them and let them

1667
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 4: know you around the corner.

1668
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 3: They don't want you to get out of here because

1669
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 3: if you that close and they smell you, they gonna

1670
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 3: want to taste you. So get it done. So we

1671
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 3: did it. Got it done.

1672
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 4: I brought suit, you know, tie and shit, phone ain't

1673
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 4: stopped bringing sense. I mean, what you know, you say, well,

1674
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:25,679
Speaker 4: what was it like? It was like the lottery.

1675
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 3: I guess.

1676
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know the feelings. I ain't never

1677
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 4: won the lottery, but it's like hitting the lottery.

1678
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 3: I went and bought me a rag bought.

1679
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 1: By Benley a Zoor ben Zor.

1680
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was only at the time it was

1681
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 2: a notch Tea's and ben Leys I had the I.

1682
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:43,719
Speaker 3: Had to white with the tan in tier.

1683
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:44,640
Speaker 5: Uh.

1684
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 4: But what happened was Mike Tyson, John Horn and Roy

1685
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 4: Holloway had Chris.

1686
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 3: Mills. They all had ragazoos. He were the only ones

1687
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 3: in La right, and it was all you know. They

1688
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 3: had the rims under the whole thing, and three one

1689
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 3: oh was popping there, popping. So I uh, I said, man,

1690
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 3: they gave me a fourteen boy, I don't know, fourteen

1691
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 3: fifteen million dollars check whatever it was. I'm giving me

1692
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 3: a damn biley because that's how I am. I'm spontaneous

1693
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 3: when i want something. I don't treat myself. I'm like

1694
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 3: a bum. As you can tell. I got a little

1695
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 3: sweats on whatever. I never buy myself anything. I uh said,

1696
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 3: I'm giving me a zoo. So I called. I called

1697
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 3: Mark from three to one.

1698
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 1: Oh.

1699
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 4: I said, Man, I need to give me a belly.

1700
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 4: Dog said you want to give Biley said yeah, give

1701
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 4: me a Bentley, give me a Porsche, and get me

1702
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 4: a RAG sixty three.

1703
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 3: And I'm good. And so then they got it for me.

1704
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 3: I drove that thing for in Tampa. Man, I never

1705
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 3: used to drive it.

1706
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:46,599
Speaker 4: When I sold it, it had like a thousand miles

1707
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 4: on it because I never used to drive it. I

1708
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 4: just felt like I wanted to treat myself. But that's

1709
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 4: how it was, you know, I just wanted to treat myself.

1710
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 4: Give me all three, I said, give me all three.

1711
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 3: What changed when Gruden showed up? Man, you know, John,

1712
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 3: it's interesting that you asked me that. Jack. So I

1713
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:10,719
Speaker 3: went to the touch game when they so we played Philly.

1714
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 3: They fired Dungee.

1715
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 4: After I get back to Tampa, I jump on the

1716
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 4: jet and go to to New England because I'm friends

1717
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 4: with Belichick. Belichick coached me in in New York. Like

1718
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 4: that's like, I'm good friends with him. So I go,

1719
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 4: I sit in Belichick's box whatnot. And I wanted to

1720
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 4: see because it was the noise. Because Parcelles was supposed

1721
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 4: to come. Bill was actually supposed to come to Tampa,

1722
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 4: but he decided not to at the eleventh hour.

1723
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 3: So now.

1724
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 4: The Gruden noise is starting to come. So I flew

1725
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 4: my ass to New England in the snow to watch.

1726
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 4: I just wanted to see what his you know, peep him.

1727
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 3: And check him out. So I checked it. My friend said, okay,

1728
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 3: I can. I think I could. I could work with him.

1729
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 3: You know, I'm sitting up in the box. I'm just

1730
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 3: checking it out. Like so then when we hire him,

1731
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 3: I'm meeting whatever.

1732
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 4: But I instantly peeped him, you see what I'm saying, Like,

1733
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 4: I peeped him way before everybody else. And when you're

1734
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 4: the first at doing something and you check somebody out,

1735
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:18,640
Speaker 4: people tend to be.

1736
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, the coach is right, the player ain't right.

1737
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 3: You're right because you're challenging authority in most people's eyes

1738
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 3: that don't understand the story.

1739
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 4: And I used to just you know, check you out

1740
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 4: the bullshit. You know, over and all, we're gonna get

1741
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 4: you off. We're gonna make sure you get these rocks.

1742
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 4: You're gonna get the touches.

1743
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 3: Practice you like a dog to your tongue, can't hang

1744
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 3: out your mouth for come game time, he call him bullshit.

1745
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 3: So now you like here.

1746
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 4: So then you got dudes on the team that's cool

1747
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 4: with him that he go to with me to talk

1748
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 4: to me because he can't talk to me.

1749
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 3: He gotta go through them, so they ain't telling me.

1750
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, like, oh, say, gonna get

1751
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 3: you off this week? Da da da dah. So we

1752
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 3: played Minnesota. K Mack is hurt.

1753
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 4: JoJo's hurt. Everybody heard. I'm in a long ranger out there.

1754
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:13,680
Speaker 4: So now he got to feed me.

1755
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 3: So they fed me.

1756
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:17,639
Speaker 4: They fed me, I don't know, a couple touchdowns whatever

1757
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 4: they fed me. So I'm sitting there, I'm saying to myself,

1758
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 4: you feed me because you have to. You can do

1759
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 4: this all the time if you wanted to, only because

1760
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 4: you have to. So he was always slick with his tongue,

1761
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 4: but I never would say anything. I just wouldn't even.

1762
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 3: Pay me no attention. So what day y'all a laugh

1763
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 3: at y'all gonna think I'm certified crazy.

1764
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 4: So I'm standing right here. Coach man is standing here,

1765
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 4: My man, Reggie Barlow is standing here. So he walks

1766
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 4: over to me. Know our coaches do they come over

1767
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 4: to you. They want to show you something, We should

1768
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 4: do it this.

1769
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 3: Way that, blah blah blah. So he's trying to talk

1770
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 3: to me. I'm telling him. I say, man, do me

1771
01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 3: a favor. Why don't you tell him what you want

1772
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 3: to tell me? And if he could tell me, because.

1773
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 4: I don't want to talk to you, and I walked

1774
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 4: away from it, and everybody was like, right, like whatever man.

1775
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 4: And so while we really got into it, Jack is,

1776
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:19,600
Speaker 4: we playing on a Monday night against the Rams, and

1777
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 4: this is the same year we won the Super Bowl.

1778
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:22,799
Speaker 3: We won the Super Bowl. This year.

1779
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 4: He calls a play, He'll say he called it a

1780
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 4: certain way. I heard it a certain way, so I

1781
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,600
Speaker 4: line up the way I heard it. So now we

1782
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 4: call a time out. We go to the sideline and

1783
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:42,560
Speaker 4: I'm having a conversation with my coach and him and

1784
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 4: we're all there and he's saying, well, I call this.

1785
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 4: I'm like, that's not what you call. Everybody lined up

1786
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 4: and what you call this is what you call. So

1787
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 4: now it was a running play any fucking way, it wasn't.

1788
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:57,720
Speaker 4: He wasn't throwing the ball. So now he takes me

1789
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 4: out of you personnel and he puts k Mack, which

1790
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 4: I don't care, came back like one of my best

1791
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 4: friend I don't care k Mac goes in the game.

1792
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 3: But what that does is signal to people, I fucked up.

1793
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 4: When you the motherfucker that fucked up, but you're gonna

1794
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 4: make people think I'm the one that fucked up.

1795
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 3: Type cap. That's just that's some cap. So now I'm like,

1796
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 3: so I'll get ready to walk away. And while he's

1797
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 3: doing this, we're having a heated conversation amongst all of us.

1798
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 3: So I get ready to walk away and he mumbles

1799
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 3: something like motherfucker or something very you know, disrespectful. So

1800
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 3: I turn around Jack, I turned and went right at

1801
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 3: him and told him, I'll beat your motherfucking ass right

1802
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 3: here on Monday night football for the world to see.

1803
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 3: You got me fucked.

1804
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 4: And so now I walk away. He say something else.

1805
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 4: So at this point I go back at him now

1806
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 4: and telling him, put my finger in this face and say,

1807
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,640
Speaker 4: you said another motherfucking word is going down. And at

1808
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 4: that point it was like, oh my god, we ain't

1809
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 4: gonna give him a third one. No, I gave him

1810
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 4: a third one in the locker room after the game.

1811
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 4: I told him, you know, our coaches going to their

1812
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:11,839
Speaker 4: little coaches offices in the stadium.

1813
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 1: Oh.

1814
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 3: I made all assistant coaches get out, said, man, y'all

1815
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 3: get out of here. I'm just talk to him. You

1816
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 3: getting redly listen to me right now because that's a

1817
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 3: bullshit you did. Then me and him we ain't never

1818
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 3: like that was it, and I played the rest of

1819
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 3: the season. We went on, won the Super Bowl. I

1820
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 3: came back the next year and the next year. So

1821
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 3: my ex wife is from the Bay Area, so we

1822
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 3: played Frisco the next year in San Francisco. My kids, now,

1823
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 3: mind you, my kids are living in the Bay Area.

1824
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:41,640
Speaker 3: My two oldest kids are living in the Bay with

1825
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 3: their mother. Parent teacher conference is coming up on Monday.

1826
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 3: We play on Sunday. So the first thing I tell

1827
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 3: him before the game, wait before the game.

1828
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 4: During the week, I said, man, I'm gonna stay in

1829
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 4: the Bay Area after San Francisco because I got to

1830
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 4: teacher parents.

1831
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 3: I'm not going to Florida coming all the way back

1832
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 3: to the Bay. I'm not doing that shit. So we

1833
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 3: lose the Suthchio let's go.

1834
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:01,879
Speaker 2: So now.

1835
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 4: They looking for me at the airport, They're like, what

1836
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 4: the fuck kid, I hadn't already told him what I'm doing,

1837
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 4: but he made it seem like he never got that information,

1838
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 4: like I just partlayed on him and rolled out.

1839
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:17,799
Speaker 3: He go tell the people that knowing that ain't my behavior,

1840
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 3: That's not who I am.

1841
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 4: So now I'm a problem. You see what I'm saying.

1842
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 4: And so I stay home with my kids from the

1843
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 4: teacher parents thing. I go back to California. I mean,

1844
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:30,600
Speaker 4: I go back to Florida. They deactivate me for the

1845
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 4: rest of the year. I'm like, cool, I ain't tripping.

1846
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to.

1847
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 3: Pay me because I ain't done nothing wrong, So you're

1848
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 3: gonna have to pay me anyway. You have to pay

1849
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 3: me anyway. So that was it. Did The motherfucker had

1850
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 3: nerve enough to come back and try to get me

1851
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:44,680
Speaker 3: after I whooped his.

1852
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 4: Ass when I was in Carolina, went off on him.

1853
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 4: I went nuts on him in Carolina game. Then they

1854
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 4: tried to come back get me. The year I retired,

1855
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 4: they wanted to resign me, him and Bruce Allen. It's

1856
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 4: public knowledge. Everybody know because the story was out there.

1857
01:25:57,479 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 4: They reached out to me to sign because guess again,

1858
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 4: I don't have problem. Nobody I'm good if I you know,

1859
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 4: if you to make the money right play for you

1860
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 4: ain't no problem at all, non.

1861
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 2: H two thousand and three, Man watch y'at man we win.

1862
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:16,600
Speaker 2: I won this championship with the Spurs. You want the

1863
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 2: NFL Super Bowl with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Do you

1864
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:23,839
Speaker 2: remember the sp Awards and the playoffs and the Playboy?

1865
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:27,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, spar was of course.

1866
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: What's up?

1867
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,680
Speaker 2: What what do you remember about that? Which part the

1868
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 2: Playboy Mansion? Because remember they had they had the boxing

1869
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 2: that night at the point I was.

1870
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:38,919
Speaker 4: At the Playboy specifically, remember uh, we're having a conversation

1871
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 4: with what's the name, my man?

1872
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 3: It was in the back room with Oja uh Kate Okay,

1873
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 3: he definitely there. I remember that specific because I asked

1874
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:49,600
Speaker 3: him and many did he do it?

1875
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 1: Did he do it? I'm gonna ask you the question.

1876
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 3: No. I asked him literally, you know, and he gave

1877
01:26:56,479 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 3: me the he thinks so he gave me I think.

1878
01:26:59,360 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 2: So.

1879
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:02,639
Speaker 3: We was in the backyard of the Playboy Mansion.

1880
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 2: This is the this is when the first the world

1881
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 2: got a chance to first time see Jeff left left

1882
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 2: hook Lacy. He boxed in the in the backyard. It

1883
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:12,240
Speaker 2: was Friday Night fights to the ESPN, but it was

1884
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 2: it was sp weekend and everybody will to everybody was there.

1885
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 2: Cherokee Parks is the is the goat. If you don't

1886
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 2: know cheroch Key Parks, if you ever party with him,

1887
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 2: he was. He basically ran the Playboy Mansion.

1888
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was tatted more than you, Matt. We had

1889
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 3: a great time. And that was two thousand three I

1890
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 3: seen in my jersey. But that team? How special was

1891
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 3: that team? Was our Bucks team? Yes? Special?

1892
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 4: It's probably one of the best teams in the history

1893
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:42,760
Speaker 4: of the NFL. I would say we probably got I

1894
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 4: think we got five Hall of Famers off the team

1895
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 4: and possibly another two coming. Yeah, yeah, we got I

1896
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 4: think it's five Hall of Famers with another two. So

1897
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 4: we got about seven Hall of Famers and then arguably

1898
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:56,680
Speaker 4: you could argue, if you want to, a couple more

1899
01:27:56,760 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 4: that could potentially be in the running. D Brooks you no,

1900
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 4: you got Sap, No, Sap Brooks, Ron Day, John Lynch,

1901
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 4: Simeon Rice should be he will be coming soon. McFarlane,

1902
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 4: random mcdoniel. So that's six six am I missing somebody?

1903
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1904
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 4: Six six dudes off the team. I ain't gonna make

1905
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 4: it because I didn't play long enough. If I would

1906
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 4: have played fifteen years or something like that, I beat.

1907
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 4: But I didn't play long enough, which, like I said before,

1908
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:31,320
Speaker 4: I didn't play to get into the Hall. I played

1909
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 4: to get chicks, you know, to help my mom and

1910
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 4: my sisters and brothers. I fuck about, no damn Hall

1911
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 4: of Fame. It's cools respect for him, but everybody don't

1912
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 4: do nothing for me. You got respect from everybody in

1913
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:45,720
Speaker 4: the Hall of one hundred percent. Later on you you

1914
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 4: reunited with Bill Parcels with the Cowboys, y'all relationship at

1915
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:52,680
Speaker 4: the beginning present day. What made him different than all

1916
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 4: other coaches that you played for? You know when it

1917
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 4: was so when I first got Bill, because in ninety six,

1918
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 4: when I got drafted, they drafted Terry Glenn. I think

1919
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:03,639
Speaker 4: he was seventh. I think he was the seventh picks.

1920
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 4: The receiver, a different type of receiver than me. But

1921
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 4: when I got Bill, everybody, because I wrote my book

1922
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 4: just give me the damn ball my rookie year, so

1923
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 4: everybody in New York was telling him to run me

1924
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 4: out of town, you know.

1925
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 3: Right, give me the damn body.

1926
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 4: And so everybody was telling Bill to get rid of me,

1927
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 4: trade me, get rid of me. I'm a problem this,

1928
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 4: that and the other.

1929
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 3: You know how that goes.

1930
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:30,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't even know what you're talking about. So

1931
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 4: when I sit down with him, he goes to me,

1932
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:37,680
Speaker 4: He goes, how much did you play at this year?

1933
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 4: I said, I was about shit, I don't know, two twenty.

1934
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 3: Five or something. He says, yeah, you look too too,

1935
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 3: if I look like you got the fucking mumps, Like, man,

1936
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 3: please whatever. He says, what about that guy that was

1937
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:50,559
Speaker 3: a usc What did you play? Then?

1938
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 4: I said I was probably two o eight two ten.

1939
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:57,240
Speaker 4: He goes, that's the dude I want. So what I

1940
01:29:57,479 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 4: did is I came back to training camp at two

1941
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 4: o five. So I came back at two o five.

1942
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 4: Him and our relationship from that point on. I couldn't

1943
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 4: do no wrong. I couldn't do I could have if

1944
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:14,599
Speaker 4: they came to my house and found bodies in the basement,

1945
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 4: they were like they planning them.

1946
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:19,599
Speaker 3: He didn't do that. But that's how our relationship because

1947
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 3: I did everything he asked me to do.

1948
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:23,560
Speaker 4: When he said do this, it got none. When he

1949
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:25,559
Speaker 4: gave me an assignment to go dig that dude out,

1950
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 4: no problem. So our relationship was always I became a

1951
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:31,760
Speaker 4: part sales guy. And at that point when the big

1952
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:34,559
Speaker 4: Tuna speak, everybody listen. He the grand poop, all right,

1953
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:36,680
Speaker 4: he's the big inchulada.

1954
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 3: When he says like Pat Rodney, but Pat say he good,

1955
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:40,720
Speaker 3: he good.

1956
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 4: And that's how Bill, you know, because everybody was trying

1957
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 4: to act as though West Coast kid and La da dah.

1958
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 3: He was like, no, that's my guy.

1959
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:52,720
Speaker 4: So something obviously went wrong with him in Tampa with

1960
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:54,720
Speaker 4: that dude. Then come there, I need to get this

1961
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 4: dude back on my team so I could set a

1962
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 4: standard on how we win. So when they when the

1963
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:02,720
Speaker 4: Cowboys let me go and they brought in Too, you know,

1964
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 4: Bill left for like two months.

1965
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 3: He left.

1966
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:09,559
Speaker 4: He left because they took the authority away from him.

1967
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:12,240
Speaker 4: He didn't want too. He was like, man, I don't

1968
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 4: need that. But Jerry made the decision to go get

1969
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:22,040
Speaker 4: too and let me go to Carolina, and Bill disappeared

1970
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 4: on him for like two months. They didn't even have

1971
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:27,960
Speaker 4: a coach. Many people don't know that he disappeared on

1972
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,680
Speaker 4: wouldn't return the calls, nothing. He was mad as hell

1973
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 4: because that's not what he wanted. Then he coached that

1974
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:33,800
Speaker 4: year and he left member.

1975
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:35,600
Speaker 3: He retired. It's like, I'm done, I don't want to

1976
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:37,599
Speaker 3: coach appearing no more. And that's Jerry getting away.

1977
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:41,120
Speaker 1: Fast forward present time. Is Jerry still in the way.

1978
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 1: What's frong with the Cowboys right now?

1979
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 3: I think they're missing something. Man, miss leaders leadership, Yeah, I.

1980
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 4: Think they missing I think they missing the locker room leadership.

1981
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:52,840
Speaker 4: In the locker room, Jerry does a tremendous job in

1982
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 4: terms of management. He doesn't get see people think that

1983
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 4: Jerry is calling plays. He ain't any way like that.

1984
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:01,719
Speaker 4: He does a tremendous ya with Will Clay and Steven

1985
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 4: On as simbilant players and stuff. But when you you

1986
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:07,559
Speaker 4: haven't been on championship teams, you have been on teams before,

1987
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:12,519
Speaker 4: when you don't have somebody like a Michael Irvin that

1988
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 4: could grab a dude, like what the fuck you doing?

1989
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 4: You're gonna have those There's nobody that when it's twenty

1990
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:23,879
Speaker 4: seven nothing, it's going to ham on somebody. They just nobody,

1991
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:25,960
Speaker 4: Like if I was in that locker room it's twenty

1992
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:28,680
Speaker 4: seven nothing, then I'll be cussing. Michael Parson's ass are

1993
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:30,560
Speaker 4: so bad they have to get rid of they have

1994
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 4: to separate us because it's your job to stop them.

1995
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:37,880
Speaker 4: It's my job to score. Okay, they got twenty seven.

1996
01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:40,479
Speaker 4: Part of that twenty seven is because of you. I

1997
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:42,400
Speaker 4: don't care if they doublely your trip. You gotta find

1998
01:32:42,439 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 4: a way. And I don't think they have that like

1999
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:46,839
Speaker 4: they had and they pat They had Michael and Emmitt

2000
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,120
Speaker 4: and Big E and all them dudes. You know that

2001
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:51,720
Speaker 4: Charles haling them. They wasn't having it back then, but

2002
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:52,599
Speaker 4: they missing that now.

2003
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:58,280
Speaker 3: You gotta have leadership on teams. Championship teams all got leadership.

2004
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:01,439
Speaker 3: Everybody that's ever won the champh you could point to

2005
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 3: that dude that's a leader on your team.

2006
01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:05,799
Speaker 1: And sometimes they ain't even the superstar.

2007
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 3: And sometimes it ain't even a superstar.

2008
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:11,200
Speaker 4: When we won in Tampa, Derek Brooks was essentially our leader,

2009
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But I held mine on

2010
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 4: the office side, but he held everybody account. He would

2011
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:19,600
Speaker 4: come up to me, and Brooks, though he's not a

2012
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 4: cuss or nothing, he come up me and just say, nineteen,

2013
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:23,360
Speaker 4: what the fuck are they doing?

2014
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:26,040
Speaker 3: He just simply tell me that, man, you're got to

2015
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 3: go tell them people to get you the ball.

2016
01:33:27,479 --> 01:33:32,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, Cool, I'm all years right, I'm ready right,

2017
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 6: eleven seasons, three Po Bowl, Super Bowl champ You walked

2018
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 6: away before you know, your body didn't give up or nothing.

2019
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:40,720
Speaker 3: Where were you at?

2020
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:42,800
Speaker 1: Was it just mentally retired with I was?

2021
01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 3: I was? I had mentally checked out, you know, I just.

2022
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:49,559
Speaker 1: Coming back from that neither. That's a professional augh.

2023
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:54,360
Speaker 3: What they'll see because I accomplished so much so early though, Matt,

2024
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:58,679
Speaker 3: you gotta think my goal was only to play ten years.

2025
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:01,040
Speaker 3: My goal was never to play let I did that

2026
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:03,800
Speaker 3: extra year as a favor for my officsive coordinator that

2027
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:07,559
Speaker 3: was in Carolina, that will coach me in h if

2028
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 3: the Jets. Who's my office cordinator with the Jets and

2029
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:12,439
Speaker 3: he went to Carolina. I did him a favor because

2030
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:15,639
Speaker 3: Carolina had just lost the Seattle in the NFC Championship game.

2031
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 3: And in Smitty Steve Smith, they had him bottled up.

2032
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 3: He was the long ranger out there. So I'm like,

2033
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:23,920
Speaker 3: I said, man, I gotta you know, Smitty, like, man,

2034
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,200
Speaker 3: come help me. I'm like, okay, Cool, I'll go over there.

2035
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 3: You know, pay me, I'm coming. I'll do this for

2036
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:32,639
Speaker 3: a little bit. But then when I didn't, we didn't

2037
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 3: win there, I'm like, man, I don't want to do this.

2038
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:35,800
Speaker 3: At ESPN came and call it.

2039
01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:39,680
Speaker 4: So when I started calculating the economics, you know what

2040
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 4: I'm saying. Yeah, I didn't do the math.

2041
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I'm sitting there, I'm like, well,

2042
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:46,120
Speaker 3: if I play, I'm gonna make this. But I ain't

2043
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:47,559
Speaker 3: got to get hit. I do this, I'm gonna make

2044
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:50,120
Speaker 3: that in this second career. I can start now. I

2045
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:52,640
Speaker 3: don't already accomplished. Think about it, man, I went to

2046
01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 3: Pro Bowls? Okay, so well, how many fucking All Star

2047
01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:58,400
Speaker 3: games I need to go to? Right? What a championship?

2048
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:01,800
Speaker 3: I didn't put out of set records and done different things.

2049
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:04,519
Speaker 3: So it's like, do I want to still beat my

2050
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:05,120
Speaker 3: body up?

2051
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:05,400
Speaker 1: No?

2052
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 3: I don't want to do that. No more. No, I'm good.

2053
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 3: So that was my decision. I woke up and called Jerome,

2054
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:13,320
Speaker 3: my agent. I called you Rossiter Derome on re tire. Man,

2055
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:17,280
Speaker 3: I'm done? Are you crazy? After blue? After blue?

2056
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:21,120
Speaker 4: Because what happened when I left Carolina, Jeff Fisher, Seattle,

2057
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 4: all of them was trying to get me. So I

2058
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:25,360
Speaker 4: went and visiting, right, and I went visited Tennessee because

2059
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:30,719
Speaker 4: I still was kind of like I was thirty three.

2060
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 1: I think I was.

2061
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 3: So I was like, man, do I want to play football?

2062
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:36,599
Speaker 4: So I go to Tennessee. Jeff I've been doing Jeff

2063
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:39,280
Speaker 4: for a long time. He wanted me, YadA, YadA, YadA.

2064
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:42,760
Speaker 4: So I'm like new norm child from sc knew the

2065
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:44,680
Speaker 4: receiver coach. He recruited me in college. So I'm like,

2066
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:46,760
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go to Tennessee. I think I knew Mike

2067
01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:49,360
Speaker 4: Holmes Seattle. I'm like, I think I'm so.

2068
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:54,920
Speaker 3: Then I like decided I can't fuck with Vince Young.

2069
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:57,720
Speaker 3: I ain't playing football. I've been too many quarterbacks and

2070
01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 3: Dell May y'all. Andy'll eating Britos and shit y'all. Now

2071
01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 3: I'm the old dude. I'm gonna deal with this young stuff.

2072
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 3: So I'm like, So I get home, I go to sleep,

2073
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:13,200
Speaker 3: I wake up, and probably like six am. I called

2074
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:16,400
Speaker 3: my agent. I said, man, I think I'm gonna retire,

2075
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:19,320
Speaker 3: and as he's like, Sam, what are you talking about? Saimon,

2076
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:21,200
Speaker 3: I'm done, don't want play for both of them. Told

2077
01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:24,599
Speaker 3: my family. I said, I'm done. I'm just gonna chill,

2078
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:29,120
Speaker 3: and ESPN was already already in my back pocket anyway,

2079
01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:32,200
Speaker 3: because I was doing the draft. I had already done

2080
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:34,599
Speaker 3: the draft a couple of years, and we was already

2081
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:37,360
Speaker 3: working on a deal for me to do Monday Night

2082
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:39,599
Speaker 3: Countdown even though I was still playing. We was working

2083
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:41,680
Speaker 3: on a deal. And then when I retired, that's when

2084
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:44,479
Speaker 3: they came full board. It was like he with us

2085
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:46,679
Speaker 3: the whole way. Here we go. So the chips obviously

2086
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 3: got stacked.

2087
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:50,640
Speaker 1: Even what was that transition like, I mean, obviously it's

2088
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 1: the wave now for athletes to transition. Although you weren't

2089
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:56,200
Speaker 1: the first, you you know, you were there early, it

2090
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:57,719
Speaker 1: was it was you know, you've been in the space

2091
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 1: eighteen years. What was it like that first transition over

2092
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 1: to a machine like ESPN?

2093
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:02,720
Speaker 3: Man?

2094
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:04,479
Speaker 4: You know, so because I had did the draft and

2095
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:06,960
Speaker 4: I had done some stuff early career, so I got

2096
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 4: my feet wet. But the grace of God put me

2097
01:37:10,439 --> 01:37:13,519
Speaker 4: in a position to work alongside Tom Jackson and Chris Burman.

2098
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:17,240
Speaker 3: So that's just like all of a sudden, they stick

2099
01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:20,960
Speaker 3: you with yeah, yeah, they stick you with Charles right

2100
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 3: off the rip. But they stick you with Chick Hearns

2101
01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:25,439
Speaker 3: or some ship right off the rip. That's what it

2102
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:27,840
Speaker 3: was like, like, you know, I remember what time though,

2103
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:30,920
Speaker 3: Uh you know, when I first was dealing with the

2104
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 3: cameras and trying to understand the cameras and the production

2105
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:34,720
Speaker 3: and all that.

2106
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:38,240
Speaker 4: I'm near talking and I'm you know, I'm going on

2107
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 4: and on and on, and all of a sudden I

2108
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 4: got these these these voices in my ear. So I

2109
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:47,599
Speaker 4: stopped National TV Monday night and I done stopped coll

2110
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:52,120
Speaker 4: for like a minute. It felt like Tom Jackson, Tom like, ma,

2111
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:54,200
Speaker 4: what do you do it? I said, Man, they talking

2112
01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 4: to me, but they wasn't talking to me. They had

2113
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 4: opened up my mic on my earphones of my ear

2114
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:02,160
Speaker 4: set by my state. The director was telling somebody else

2115
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:03,080
Speaker 4: to go to this camera.

2116
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:10,160
Speaker 3: I was like, sounding like, what's wrong?

2117
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 4: Somebody talking to me? Somebody ain't talking to you? For

2118
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:16,640
Speaker 4: they talking to me every senstead. I never made that

2119
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:20,320
Speaker 4: mistake again. But when you have guys like that, yeah,

2120
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:21,559
Speaker 4: you just learn, man.

2121
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:24,320
Speaker 3: But it was cool. It was a smooth transition. And

2122
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:26,840
Speaker 3: hell I was there seventeen years.

2123
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:30,160
Speaker 1: What's the next five to ten look like for you?

2124
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 3: With some goals? I mean, and I'm gonna keep stealing.

2125
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:34,559
Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep stealing money from fire as long as

2126
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 3: as long as they keep paying me, I'm gonna keep stealing.

2127
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:37,920
Speaker 3: That's what I'm looking at.

2128
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:42,439
Speaker 4: I'm looking at staying there and just continue to keep building.

2129
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:46,320
Speaker 3: And you know, obviously I love doing it. I love

2130
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 3: waking up in.

2131
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:49,040
Speaker 4: The morning, I love going in, I love talking sports.

2132
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:52,640
Speaker 4: You know, if you want to call it debating, I

2133
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:54,920
Speaker 4: don't call it debating. And I call it communicating, just

2134
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 4: you know, because I ain't got time to be doing

2135
01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:57,320
Speaker 4: arguing and screaming.

2136
01:38:57,360 --> 01:38:59,799
Speaker 3: And if your point is your point, that's your opinion.

2137
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:00,920
Speaker 3: It is what it is.

2138
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:04,160
Speaker 1: Mine is mine and we could It ain't personal, No, it.

2139
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:05,639
Speaker 3: Ain't never gonna be personal.

2140
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:06,320
Speaker 1: Why would I?

2141
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 4: Why would I make anybody? Making personal is a damn

2142
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:10,240
Speaker 4: food Because, as I said at they all to beginning,

2143
01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:12,679
Speaker 4: I'm not fucking my money off. You know how hard

2144
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:14,560
Speaker 4: it is to get money. Why would I do that

2145
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:16,559
Speaker 4: making something personal?

2146
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:20,519
Speaker 3: Man? Because these seats they don't come up too often.

2147
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:24,679
Speaker 4: And I understand everybody got platforms now it's a little different,

2148
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:27,439
Speaker 4: but then big boy seats they do not dudes.

2149
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:29,720
Speaker 3: Man them dudes. You see they be rolling dudes out

2150
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:32,640
Speaker 3: in wheelchairs for years. How long you've been here? Our

2151
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:33,439
Speaker 3: sixty years?

2152
01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:36,160
Speaker 4: It's like really, I mean, like you know, they're still

2153
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:39,240
Speaker 4: good at it, but them seats don't come up every

2154
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:41,519
Speaker 4: other year. No, not at all.

2155
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:48,519
Speaker 1: Fatherhood Unfortunately lost the child. Condolences again, probably the worst

2156
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 1: thing ever going through. But what is fatherhood for you?

2157
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:52,080
Speaker 1: And what does it mean to you?

2158
01:39:52,439 --> 01:39:52,599
Speaker 3: Man?

2159
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 4: It is extremely stressful, as you know, having kids in

2160
01:39:57,040 --> 01:40:03,200
Speaker 4: your own. It's just one of those things. My little

2161
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:05,920
Speaker 4: babies obviously is just beautiful and fun and I love

2162
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:09,880
Speaker 4: dealing with them and having some distressful because, like you said,

2163
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:14,160
Speaker 4: losing my daughter it obviously it sheds a different light

2164
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:16,959
Speaker 4: on the responsibility of fatherhood.

2165
01:40:17,120 --> 01:40:18,519
Speaker 3: It's just it's just different.

2166
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:19,120
Speaker 1: You know.

2167
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:21,320
Speaker 3: Even my son now, who's older, who works with me,

2168
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:23,519
Speaker 3: you know, nepotism. I got to have him with me.

2169
01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:25,640
Speaker 3: I use that word a lot and let him know

2170
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:27,559
Speaker 3: they do it, I can do it too, because he's

2171
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:28,000
Speaker 3: good at it.

2172
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:30,880
Speaker 4: He's actually good at his job, where some people kids

2173
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:32,840
Speaker 4: aren't good at their job, but they still got jobs.

2174
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:37,679
Speaker 3: But you know, it's it's that stress. You know, he's older.

2175
01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:40,640
Speaker 4: You know he likes smoking weed whatever you grown here,

2176
01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:43,000
Speaker 4: A dolt ain't not wrong, a dolt he is smoking

2177
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:43,519
Speaker 4: weed whatever.

2178
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:47,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure he got a lot already.

2179
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:52,519
Speaker 4: It's one of those deals from stress standpoint, because you're

2180
01:40:52,520 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 4: always thinking where is he at, what he's doing text

2181
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:57,880
Speaker 4: He may take thirty minutes to respond back.

2182
01:40:58,840 --> 01:40:59,360
Speaker 3: What you're doing?

2183
01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:04,840
Speaker 4: Why you ain't respired back? You know, And then having

2184
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:08,960
Speaker 4: to watch my daughter, who is fourteen years old, continue

2185
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:12,200
Speaker 4: to grow. You know, she's beautiful and just growing, and

2186
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:13,960
Speaker 4: you know it's gonna have to I having to probably

2187
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:15,800
Speaker 4: figure out how to I told she wants to go

2188
01:41:15,800 --> 01:41:16,719
Speaker 4: to New York and go to school.

2189
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:18,280
Speaker 3: I told her, you, you do understand, You're gonna have

2190
01:41:18,280 --> 01:41:19,479
Speaker 3: security of chopper rooms.

2191
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:20,120
Speaker 1: When you go to school.

2192
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:22,320
Speaker 4: That's just what it's gonna be. They gonna be right

2193
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:24,840
Speaker 4: there with you. Oh, you're weird, you're this year that

2194
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,800
Speaker 4: because they don't you know I'm weird. You know I'm

2195
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:29,360
Speaker 4: weird to them. But it's it's good.

2196
01:41:29,439 --> 01:41:33,720
Speaker 3: Man's a healthy you got a good, healthy relationship. Yeah.

2197
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:38,559
Speaker 4: I just like watching them grow too. They think I'm

2198
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:41,439
Speaker 4: lame though, because especially my young ones. My young ones

2199
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:42,840
Speaker 4: think I'm lame because.

2200
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 3: They see they see.

2201
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:49,880
Speaker 4: Everything that I used to do with my older ones,

2202
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 4: like all the fancy cars and all the different stuff,

2203
01:41:53,080 --> 01:41:54,080
Speaker 4: and the motherfuckers.

2204
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:54,679
Speaker 3: Made me go buy a Porsche.

2205
01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:56,439
Speaker 4: Now I don't want bought a nine eleven because my

2206
01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:59,160
Speaker 4: youngest son, the eleven years old, he think I'm weak

2207
01:41:59,160 --> 01:42:00,200
Speaker 4: because I drive Pree.

2208
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:03,479
Speaker 3: It's in a Tesla three. He telling me my Tesla

2209
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:05,400
Speaker 3: three is a starter Tesla. You have to go get

2210
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:09,040
Speaker 3: the No, I ain't got nothing left his career, career, Yeah,

2211
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:13,120
Speaker 3: got damn yeah the weather jack. Yeah, that's what I

2212
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:16,120
Speaker 3: tell you. But but the crazy thing is he applied

2213
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:20,639
Speaker 3: that pressure because he said it ain't nothing like man Barnes.

2214
01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:24,880
Speaker 3: He got so and so got the I come, you know,

2215
01:42:25,400 --> 01:42:27,800
Speaker 3: so I bought it. I got it like on Thursday,

2216
01:42:28,120 --> 01:42:29,680
Speaker 3: and I picked him up for school on Friday, so

2217
01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:31,960
Speaker 3: I knew I had to pick him up. This joker

2218
01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:34,120
Speaker 3: that text me talking about can I bring my new

2219
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:35,519
Speaker 3: car like this?

2220
01:42:36,479 --> 01:42:37,559
Speaker 1: Trying to show it off quick man.

2221
01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:42,080
Speaker 3: That's what it's fun, man, It's it's you know, it's

2222
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:45,080
Speaker 3: a bond. Yeah, it's a fun, a fun experience for him,

2223
01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:48,439
Speaker 3: you know. He he he likes all that sort of stuff.

2224
01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:51,639
Speaker 3: And he's in the cars and shoes shoe game. It's

2225
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:54,080
Speaker 3: probably better than any of ours. He got a cold

2226
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:57,200
Speaker 3: shoe game. He got a coold shoe his daddy got.

2227
01:42:57,360 --> 01:42:59,599
Speaker 3: I never grew out of that ship. I never grew

2228
01:42:59,640 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 3: out of it.

2229
01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 2: The shoes, clothes, looking nice shoes, fashion, I never grow

2230
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:04,960
Speaker 2: out of it, jewelry, none of that.

2231
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:05,680
Speaker 3: I never grot it.

2232
01:43:06,680 --> 01:43:08,599
Speaker 1: But we different in California. He'd be the ones all

2233
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:10,519
Speaker 1: the time always. Really, I only wore this ship because

2234
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:12,479
Speaker 1: we was. I was being cheating Chung earlier, so I

2235
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:16,200
Speaker 1: had my whole little outfit. But California, we just flips

2236
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:20,880
Speaker 1: yeah man all the time and can go anywhere with it.

2237
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:23,559
Speaker 3: Jack. They think got, they think I out there surfing

2238
01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 3: the way I look. You know what, I call it

2239
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:30,639
Speaker 3: non threatening, toes off, non threatening. I'm toes out, non threatened.

2240
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:32,479
Speaker 3: When they see me, they're gonna go you doing it.

2241
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:36,599
Speaker 3: They ain't gonna be like he's safe. No, no, because

2242
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:39,880
Speaker 3: that's how I dress. I'm t shirts, flip flops, shorts.

2243
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:43,719
Speaker 1: Insta California sweats. You know all the time, James Pearce,

2244
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:45,719
Speaker 1: it ain't you know, reless.

2245
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:52,439
Speaker 3: But when you swipe the card one of them new

2246
01:43:52,479 --> 01:43:56,800
Speaker 3: heavy credit cards to get that make yeah, that's you know,

2247
01:43:57,160 --> 01:43:59,639
Speaker 3: but that's how it is. That's how I love my kids, though,

2248
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:02,320
Speaker 3: man of it. If I you know, I'm fixed up,

2249
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:04,040
Speaker 3: so I'm good. But if I could, I would.

2250
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:08,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got six. I'm thinking about doing one more better,

2251
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:11,360
Speaker 1: better than Yeah, we're thinking about it.

2252
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:16,479
Speaker 4: My kids is expensive, very man, kids are very expensive,

2253
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:17,720
Speaker 4: especially my three year old.

2254
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:20,200
Speaker 3: She keeps growing. So every time I look.

2255
01:44:20,160 --> 01:44:24,479
Speaker 1: Up baby baby, Yeah, yeah, what's the younger ages?

2256
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:28,160
Speaker 4: The young with fourteen, eleven and three, every time I

2257
01:44:28,240 --> 01:44:31,519
Speaker 4: look up, it's a damn box at the front door.

2258
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:35,679
Speaker 3: Because she needs something. Because she keeps growing, she keeps growing,

2259
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:39,439
Speaker 3: she keeps growing. I'm gonna knock this, finish it off.

2260
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:42,280
Speaker 1: Someone who is, you know, very outspoken over your life,

2261
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:45,400
Speaker 1: over your career, but you've silently been helping rebuild South

2262
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:47,320
Speaker 1: l A. Can you tell us a little bit about that.

2263
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:54,559
Speaker 4: Well, Originally, like when I was playing, I got involved

2264
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:59,880
Speaker 4: in redevelopment and stuff like that, and you know, we

2265
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:04,360
Speaker 4: we uh So, my first project was on slaughtering in

2266
01:45:04,439 --> 01:45:07,680
Speaker 4: western We brought in like depot.

2267
01:45:07,439 --> 01:45:12,840
Speaker 3: Ah Man, what year was that? That was true? Ninety nine?

2268
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:16,840
Speaker 3: Damn ninety nine, Yeah, ninety nine. We started, I think

2269
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:19,040
Speaker 3: we started like in ninety eight, ninety nine.

2270
01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:22,280
Speaker 4: And so we brought in the first home depot in

2271
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:26,480
Speaker 4: east of the Mississippi, I'm sorry, west of the Mississippi

2272
01:45:26,920 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 4: in an urban area. Everything else was all in the suburbs,

2273
01:45:30,360 --> 01:45:30,840
Speaker 4: the whole deal.

2274
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:34,479
Speaker 3: So we brought it in the hood. Starbucks Magic Magic

2275
01:45:34,520 --> 01:45:36,840
Speaker 3: when he owned the Starbucks brought him in. I was

2276
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:40,680
Speaker 3: his landlord for a while that shit. Oh yeah, he

2277
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:43,400
Speaker 3: he let you do all day. Yeah, that was his landlord.

2278
01:45:44,280 --> 01:45:46,479
Speaker 4: And so we just started bringing in all the different

2279
01:45:47,120 --> 01:45:49,720
Speaker 4: different stores and stuff like that. And it was just

2280
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:53,960
Speaker 4: like it needed it because South So doing the riots,

2281
01:45:54,240 --> 01:45:56,920
Speaker 4: nothing was rebuilt at all in South La.

2282
01:45:57,200 --> 01:46:00,320
Speaker 3: Nothing. It was just like burnt down buildings and it

2283
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:02,920
Speaker 3: was just it was crazy looking. And so we just

2284
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:08,080
Speaker 3: made a commitment to purchase the land and rebuild starting there,

2285
01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:10,160
Speaker 3: and then we just started building other projects all over

2286
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:10,559
Speaker 3: the city.

2287
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:11,000
Speaker 1: You know.

2288
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:17,280
Speaker 3: But but it also it ain't just about making the money.

2289
01:46:17,320 --> 01:46:22,120
Speaker 3: It's also being able to create jobs. It was creating

2290
01:46:22,240 --> 01:46:25,120
Speaker 3: jobs opportunities, you know what I'm saying. Because it wasn't

2291
01:46:25,200 --> 01:46:27,439
Speaker 3: like you was gonna put a million in and make

2292
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:28,160
Speaker 3: fifty million.

2293
01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:31,360
Speaker 4: It's not like that. You know, people think that things

2294
01:46:31,400 --> 01:46:33,280
Speaker 4: are like that. You know, there's numbers you gotta pay

2295
01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:36,040
Speaker 4: for stuff. Man, it's like a martgage, right, you got debt.

2296
01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:38,800
Speaker 4: You know, it's a debt servicing business, and.

2297
01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:42,080
Speaker 3: We just built and it felt good to be able

2298
01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:44,760
Speaker 3: to do that and say I reached back down to

2299
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:47,320
Speaker 3: my community and gave them something that they never thought

2300
01:46:47,320 --> 01:46:47,720
Speaker 3: they would have.

2301
01:46:49,680 --> 01:46:51,840
Speaker 1: Man, quick hitters, we almost done. First thing to come

2302
01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:55,439
Speaker 1: to mind, your top five current young receivers in the game,

2303
01:46:56,280 --> 01:47:00,479
Speaker 1: top five or three these negroes be get mad when

2304
01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:03,679
Speaker 1: you do this, or you can get me all time.

2305
01:47:03,720 --> 01:47:04,400
Speaker 1: Then if you don't want to.

2306
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:11,080
Speaker 4: Know, I'll current Tyreek Hill, uh Davontae Adams, Justin Jefferson,

2307
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:13,800
Speaker 4: Jamar Chase, uh A J.

2308
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:17,960
Speaker 3: Brown. That's pretty, that's probably let's I'm missing somebody, but

2309
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:21,680
Speaker 3: see I like T Higgins, but that's me. That's that's me.

2310
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:24,560
Speaker 3: Some people don't like that. I like Tyler Lockett. Some

2311
01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:28,680
Speaker 3: people don't like Tyler. They look Tyler Lockett cool man,

2312
01:47:28,720 --> 01:47:33,799
Speaker 3: he solid as hell, solid, but they looking for somebody

2313
01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:35,439
Speaker 3: catch for eighteen hundred and all that.

2314
01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:39,040
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, man, Tyler Lockett gonna give you that stuff.

2315
01:47:39,080 --> 01:47:45,360
Speaker 4: He's gonna get that work. Oh ceddie lamb. Yeah, I

2316
01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:47,160
Speaker 4: told you I was gonna see somebody gonna get mad.

2317
01:47:47,160 --> 01:47:48,800
Speaker 1: He always gets lamb.

2318
01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:51,920
Speaker 3: See you you should get on Richard Richards was gonna

2319
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:52,599
Speaker 3: call him a friend.

2320
01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:55,200
Speaker 2: No, I ain't not No, I saw I saw, I

2321
01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:57,080
Speaker 2: say cool I already said, but I said, man, this

2322
01:47:57,160 --> 01:47:58,640
Speaker 2: man that a HELLI but yeah, this year, how can

2323
01:47:58,680 --> 01:47:59,400
Speaker 2: you hate on him?

2324
01:47:59,680 --> 01:48:03,000
Speaker 4: That's he sucked, but he had Yeah, ceedie lamb, yeah,

2325
01:48:03,640 --> 01:48:07,760
Speaker 4: ceey lamb legit. You know I I I wanted to

2326
01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:09,439
Speaker 4: see more out of him this year. They gave me

2327
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:11,960
Speaker 4: more after the first four or five games doing much.

2328
01:48:12,160 --> 01:48:14,040
Speaker 4: Then they start moving him around and putt him in

2329
01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:14,640
Speaker 4: a position.

2330
01:48:14,439 --> 01:48:18,160
Speaker 3: To make plays. Because before he just was a guy average. Yeah,

2331
01:48:18,200 --> 01:48:20,400
Speaker 3: but then they start moving him around and he developed

2332
01:48:20,439 --> 01:48:21,200
Speaker 3: into something different.

2333
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:23,280
Speaker 4: But you know, you got those type of dudes. Then

2334
01:48:23,320 --> 01:48:26,120
Speaker 4: you got the older heads of DeAndre Hopkins. If my

2335
01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:27,639
Speaker 4: nephew could ever stay healthy, you got.

2336
01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:29,000
Speaker 3: Cooper cup Cooper Good.

2337
01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:30,599
Speaker 1: Who's your nephew, Michael Thomas.

2338
01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:35,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, he the truth. Yeah, they you know he gotta

2339
01:48:35,360 --> 01:48:38,040
Speaker 3: stay healthy though, that's his deal. His health. Health is

2340
01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:41,400
Speaker 3: his issue getting asked about of New Orleans now hopefully, well,

2341
01:48:41,400 --> 01:48:41,920
Speaker 3: he ain't got it.

2342
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:42,080
Speaker 1: You know.

2343
01:48:42,120 --> 01:48:46,840
Speaker 3: That's my brother's son. Yeah, brother son, he's crazy. He's

2344
01:48:46,920 --> 01:48:51,400
Speaker 3: crazy to uncle. Yeah that that that probably has something

2345
01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:54,600
Speaker 3: to do with it. Yeah, that probably got something to

2346
01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:57,439
Speaker 3: do with it. I'm sure who was your first celebrity crush?

2347
01:48:57,560 --> 01:49:00,960
Speaker 1: This should be man, Yeah, come on, finish it.

2348
01:49:01,080 --> 01:49:04,400
Speaker 3: It was your first celebrity president back in the day,

2349
01:49:04,520 --> 01:49:05,960
Speaker 3: back in the day. Yeah, he crushed.

2350
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:08,360
Speaker 1: He was in LA when it was popping in the nineties.

2351
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:10,200
Speaker 3: He was in the USC. See, I ain't really no,

2352
01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:12,519
Speaker 3: I ain't really no. Tell all guy, though.

2353
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 1: Who you got the credit? We ain't gonna ask you

2354
01:49:15,439 --> 01:49:17,960
Speaker 1: if you did nothing with it? Who was I'm saying

2355
01:49:18,040 --> 01:49:21,160
Speaker 1: something that came mine like earlier, Like damn.

2356
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:23,599
Speaker 2: You basically telling you basically tested. I can't talk about

2357
01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:25,479
Speaker 2: nobody because I didn't got them all. Basically, just tell

2358
01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:29,320
Speaker 2: somebody that you dreamed about that you never had, especially

2359
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:30,720
Speaker 2: when you was in college. You know you're coming up,

2360
01:49:30,720 --> 01:49:31,920
Speaker 2: you know you're finna go to the league.

2361
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:35,479
Speaker 3: I'm saying I wouldn't even see it in college. I

2362
01:49:35,640 --> 01:49:38,759
Speaker 3: wasn't really tripping like that on the celebrity tip because

2363
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:41,320
Speaker 3: it was all around you already in l A. That's

2364
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:43,800
Speaker 3: what I mean. You don't need no celebrity girl in LA.

2365
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:48,960
Speaker 1: The girls and everybody better than come on, man, I

2366
01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:51,439
Speaker 1: can put there wasn't no singer or nothing. Early on

2367
01:49:51,640 --> 01:49:53,560
Speaker 1: he was let me think, man, because I'm sure I

2368
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:54,559
Speaker 1: couldn't you want the spot?

2369
01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:57,800
Speaker 3: I'm sure. I'm sure too. I don't care if you.

2370
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:00,960
Speaker 3: Oh no, you want to know. Freeze moment, freeze moment.

2371
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:03,680
Speaker 3: So thank you Now, I got you, I got you.

2372
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:07,960
Speaker 3: So this is freeze moment. Freeze up.

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01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:08,840
Speaker 1: Write that down.

2374
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:13,160
Speaker 4: So if you know Sunset, I'm going west on Sunset

2375
01:50:13,240 --> 01:50:15,479
Speaker 4: through Beverly Hills, like you said, like going west on Sunset.

2376
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:18,200
Speaker 3: Before you get the Dohini. On the right hand side,

2377
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:22,479
Speaker 3: there's a fed X. It's a fed Ex, a small

2378
01:50:22,479 --> 01:50:26,320
Speaker 3: little fed X spot. So I'm with the homies. I'm

2379
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:28,240
Speaker 3: in my big old black truck. I just bought a

2380
01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:31,840
Speaker 3: big old black I don't remember. It's like a expedition

2381
01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:34,680
Speaker 3: blacked all the way out. This is this is a

2382
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:41,400
Speaker 3: ninety No, it was ninety seven, ninety ninety seven, ninety seven.

2383
01:50:43,439 --> 01:50:45,760
Speaker 3: I'm going down Sunset so the you know, you know

2384
01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:47,160
Speaker 3: how you got your own, they're gonna gash you.

2385
01:50:48,600 --> 01:50:50,720
Speaker 1: And I was.

2386
01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:53,400
Speaker 3: I got to the signal light and the fed Ex

2387
01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:58,360
Speaker 3: was there, and I saw this light skin chick. She

2388
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:00,719
Speaker 3: had a sun dress on. M m hmm.

2389
01:51:01,400 --> 01:51:03,000
Speaker 1: Paint the picture. Damn.

2390
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:08,160
Speaker 3: She find as a motherfucker. They're like, man, you a sucker.

2391
01:51:08,479 --> 01:51:09,840
Speaker 3: You you need to go get her, you need to

2392
01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:12,439
Speaker 3: go get her. I'm like, man, I'm trying to dry.

2393
01:51:13,439 --> 01:51:14,160
Speaker 3: They gassed me.

2394
01:51:14,240 --> 01:51:18,879
Speaker 4: I bust a roll on. Dohaney turned back around on sunset.

2395
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:22,680
Speaker 4: I pop out the car. Wait though, she check this out,

2396
01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:27,519
Speaker 4: freeze Bobby. So now I go into the fed X.

2397
01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:30,320
Speaker 4: I open up, put my hands on park right. I

2398
01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:33,960
Speaker 4: open up the fed X. I opened it up, and

2399
01:51:34,120 --> 01:51:40,680
Speaker 4: she's standing right there. It's Holly Berry. I swear to God, Man,

2400
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:41,519
Speaker 4: I swear to God.

2401
01:51:41,560 --> 01:51:43,760
Speaker 3: I ain't lying. Man, God be my witness from blind

2402
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:46,880
Speaker 3: of diet. Man, I got spooked. You froze up. I

2403
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:48,960
Speaker 3: froze up. Didn't even I just kept it. I just

2404
01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:54,840
Speaker 3: fake like I wanted something and walked away. Basically no,

2405
01:51:55,160 --> 01:51:58,240
Speaker 3: basically because I would to no. But no, this is

2406
01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:03,479
Speaker 3: I know, this is. This is after David Justice. So

2407
01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:07,599
Speaker 3: this is theak Oh yeah, she cracking like man, I'm

2408
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:09,800
Speaker 3: sitting there, I'm looking at her and I'm talking. I

2409
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:12,200
Speaker 3: swear to God, man, when you talk about beauty and

2410
01:52:12,479 --> 01:52:16,640
Speaker 3: flawless at this point, nothing it was just in that sundress,

2411
01:52:16,760 --> 01:52:20,960
Speaker 3: all being our lords, and you know I'm young. I

2412
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:27,160
Speaker 3: ain't really you know, I'm peeping. I'm like, damn, I can't. Yeah,

2413
01:52:27,160 --> 01:52:28,439
Speaker 3: I ain't ready for I ain't gonna be able to

2414
01:52:28,439 --> 01:52:30,439
Speaker 3: hold this. But that's you know. I was one that

2415
01:52:31,160 --> 01:52:33,240
Speaker 3: I like that. I was one you was ready to

2416
01:52:33,320 --> 01:52:35,200
Speaker 3: lose yourself. I'd have been ready to lose myself.

2417
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:39,520
Speaker 4: I mean I froze up. I completely froze up immediately

2418
01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:40,960
Speaker 4: when I opened up the door. I didn't know what

2419
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:41,320
Speaker 4: to say.

2420
01:52:41,360 --> 01:52:42,640
Speaker 1: What they say when you go back in the car.

2421
01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:44,439
Speaker 3: I think they were just like, man, what you're doing?

2422
01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:50,560
Speaker 3: I said, Man, come on, man, I can't n She

2423
01:52:50,640 --> 01:52:53,080
Speaker 3: ain't think said she ain't with be something like that

2424
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:57,120
Speaker 3: with me anyway. Now. But the celebrity, the celebrity crushes

2425
01:52:57,600 --> 01:52:59,640
Speaker 3: you know my lifestyle.

2426
01:52:59,320 --> 01:53:06,480
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I've been here for a long time too, youtubega.

2427
01:53:08,479 --> 01:53:11,120
Speaker 3: Man, if I was a kiss and tail dude, don't

2428
01:53:11,120 --> 01:53:13,280
Speaker 3: ever do that. Ain't gonna never be that dude. But

2429
01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:18,639
Speaker 3: if I was Jack, I'll just be laughing at y'all.

2430
01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:21,000
Speaker 3: Even man, y'all y'all don't know.

2431
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:23,800
Speaker 1: Jack is my witness of that too, That young slim

2432
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:27,800
Speaker 1: je oh man, that dude here ring in his ears

2433
01:53:31,240 --> 01:53:34,280
Speaker 1: always that boy kept a fresh line that fade.

2434
01:53:35,800 --> 01:53:41,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, gift the gap, please, gift the gas, the

2435
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:42,719
Speaker 2: gift the gap, taking.

2436
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:47,519
Speaker 4: A long away you over. You know, I know, I

2437
01:53:47,600 --> 01:53:49,280
Speaker 4: don't even want to. I don't want to tease him

2438
01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:53,200
Speaker 4: like that because because you know, I know, they everybody

2439
01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:53,839
Speaker 4: be getting.

2440
01:53:53,680 --> 01:53:56,519
Speaker 3: Talking about what I don't do that. I ain't gonna

2441
01:53:56,520 --> 01:53:59,920
Speaker 3: need to do that. But if I did, it would

2442
01:53:59,920 --> 01:54:04,320
Speaker 3: be like there's no way. Yeah, but the real people, yeah,

2443
01:54:04,320 --> 01:54:06,479
Speaker 3: of course, but people just be like, there's no way.

2444
01:54:07,160 --> 01:54:09,680
Speaker 3: That's a lie. Notin't gonna lie on my dick. That's

2445
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:12,280
Speaker 3: for damn show that. Yeah.

2446
01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:15,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but that's you know, let you tell me.

2447
01:54:15,800 --> 01:54:17,800
Speaker 3: That's how. That's how, you know, when you're a single

2448
01:54:17,880 --> 01:54:19,840
Speaker 3: man and you're an athlete and you just living your

2449
01:54:19,880 --> 01:54:22,479
Speaker 3: life in l A, in LA, in New York, in

2450
01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:24,920
Speaker 3: l A. You go, it's a lot of cross Yeah.

2451
01:54:24,920 --> 01:54:25,519
Speaker 1: In New York too.

2452
01:54:25,800 --> 01:54:31,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, K once upon a time, My first four you know,

2453
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:39,280
Speaker 4: the first four years, it was Jeter, myself, Stray. We

2454
01:54:39,480 --> 01:54:42,800
Speaker 4: was probably the three in Patrick Ewing, probably the four

2455
01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:46,120
Speaker 4: big sports dudes in the city.

2456
01:54:45,960 --> 01:54:50,200
Speaker 3: In the town. Come on, man, New York in the

2457
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:51,320
Speaker 3: prime time, to.

2458
01:54:53,600 --> 01:54:56,720
Speaker 1: Give me a troubles iminiscing my damn.

2459
01:54:58,200 --> 01:54:58,840
Speaker 3: Favorite route.

2460
01:54:59,680 --> 01:55:02,080
Speaker 2: Favor route, your favorite route, Yeah, that you're gonna work

2461
01:55:02,120 --> 01:55:04,000
Speaker 2: with me, work with me on before I go to

2462
01:55:04,240 --> 01:55:05,520
Speaker 2: Colorado for a couple of weeks.

2463
01:55:06,280 --> 01:55:09,760
Speaker 4: My favorite route that they just could not defend probably

2464
01:55:09,800 --> 01:55:16,440
Speaker 4: slat quick, yeah, quick, slant three step drop six yards six.

2465
01:55:16,480 --> 01:55:18,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna pick up twelve every time I touch it.

2466
01:55:18,800 --> 01:55:20,080
Speaker 1: Could could you six four too?

2467
01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:22,120
Speaker 3: Yeah? I'm leaning the forward and then if you miss,

2468
01:55:22,160 --> 01:55:29,720
Speaker 3: I'm going Yeah, I would say the slant. And then

2469
01:55:29,760 --> 01:55:32,800
Speaker 3: when we get into the red zone, fade in the

2470
01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:35,280
Speaker 3: red zone, posting the red zone.

2471
01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:39,040
Speaker 4: Nothing you can do nothing. Yeah, it was it wasn't

2472
01:55:39,320 --> 01:55:43,680
Speaker 4: and people so just like in the in basketball, there's

2473
01:55:43,720 --> 01:55:45,920
Speaker 4: something that coach has always said you couldn't do, which

2474
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:46,360
Speaker 4: was a lie.

2475
01:55:46,800 --> 01:55:49,480
Speaker 3: It was just lie. Right, Well, Matt, if you if

2476
01:55:49,560 --> 01:55:51,600
Speaker 3: you go, if you push him to his left, he

2477
01:55:51,640 --> 01:55:52,080
Speaker 3: can't go to this.

2478
01:55:52,200 --> 01:55:52,680
Speaker 1: Let's a lie.

2479
01:55:53,200 --> 01:55:54,800
Speaker 4: I decided I'm not going to my left. I'm gonna

2480
01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:56,120
Speaker 4: go to my right all the time because it's easier

2481
01:55:56,160 --> 01:55:59,520
Speaker 4: for me. That was the mistake that coaches made with me.

2482
01:56:00,120 --> 01:56:03,800
Speaker 4: He's not a burner, Okay, well I'm not a burner.

2483
01:56:04,040 --> 01:56:05,800
Speaker 4: You don't become the number one overall pick if you

2484
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:09,000
Speaker 4: cannot run at the skilled position. But that becomes a narrative.

2485
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:10,800
Speaker 4: And what happens is they coach you bad as a

2486
01:56:10,840 --> 01:56:12,760
Speaker 4: defender to make you believe.

2487
01:56:12,520 --> 01:56:13,000
Speaker 3: Such a thing.

2488
01:56:13,080 --> 01:56:13,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cook you.

2489
01:56:14,120 --> 01:56:17,840
Speaker 3: Get your ass, get your ass fried, because that's what

2490
01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:20,080
Speaker 3: would happen. They come up and try to challenge me,

2491
01:56:20,320 --> 01:56:23,360
Speaker 3: and they miss, I ain't Tyreek Hill. But once you miss,

2492
01:56:23,720 --> 01:56:27,040
Speaker 3: you're a You're a dead duck. I'm gonna shoot you

2493
01:56:27,160 --> 01:56:32,200
Speaker 3: completely downride. Yeah, so that happens. Y'all push Stevie Jack

2494
01:56:32,400 --> 01:56:35,040
Speaker 3: is right, he can't go right. It's like, well, no,

2495
01:56:35,240 --> 01:56:38,080
Speaker 3: that's not true, man, That's just what y'all selling to

2496
01:56:38,200 --> 01:56:38,680
Speaker 3: your dudes.

2497
01:56:39,320 --> 01:56:44,280
Speaker 2: Meanwhy I would give it to you by one song

2498
01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:47,640
Speaker 2: to play over your career highlights? What would that be?

2499
01:56:48,520 --> 01:56:53,160
Speaker 3: All's eye on me, All eyes on me, for sure,

2500
01:56:54,120 --> 01:56:54,760
Speaker 3: all eyes on me?

2501
01:56:55,400 --> 01:56:57,720
Speaker 1: One quarterback during your time you wish you could have played.

2502
01:56:57,560 --> 01:56:59,880
Speaker 3: With wit and during my time? Is just in general

2503
01:57:00,040 --> 01:57:08,560
Speaker 3: in general, probably Brady. I would guess Montana Brady. The

2504
01:57:08,600 --> 01:57:13,120
Speaker 3: reason I would play with because I play all different positions,

2505
01:57:13,680 --> 01:57:18,520
Speaker 3: so mostly Brady's targets is the tidy in the slot.

2506
01:57:18,600 --> 01:57:18,760
Speaker 1: Dude.

2507
01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:20,160
Speaker 3: But I played in the slide that played outside of

2508
01:57:20,160 --> 01:57:22,640
Speaker 3: the play, so I can eat anywhere with him, you

2509
01:57:22,680 --> 01:57:23,280
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.

2510
01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:25,320
Speaker 4: And having a dude like that, if I could have

2511
01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:28,320
Speaker 4: played with him, we wouldn't even a little been over.

2512
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:32,000
Speaker 1: We won, so many might have got this interview ship.

2513
01:57:33,240 --> 01:57:40,520
Speaker 3: No never, there's certain dudes I would never talk to.

2514
01:57:40,680 --> 01:57:45,280
Speaker 3: But's come on, man, you tripping call me in the

2515
01:57:45,320 --> 01:57:49,520
Speaker 3: middle of the night, say come sit down with no

2516
01:57:49,600 --> 01:57:50,280
Speaker 3: problem at all.

2517
01:57:52,240 --> 01:57:56,560
Speaker 1: Good man, man, We thank you for your time. Big fans.

2518
01:57:56,640 --> 01:57:58,880
Speaker 1: Are you as and what you've been able to do

2519
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:02,800
Speaker 1: post sports showing us and we're not just fatherhood business

2520
01:58:03,320 --> 01:58:05,680
Speaker 1: media cheers to get the quila one more time? What's

2521
01:58:05,680 --> 01:58:06,160
Speaker 1: that how you say?

2522
01:58:06,480 --> 01:58:06,600
Speaker 3: Him?

2523
01:58:06,920 --> 01:58:07,080
Speaker 1: Man?

2524
01:58:07,160 --> 01:58:11,360
Speaker 4: Him, I get that ship anywhere, just that locals. Really,

2525
01:58:11,440 --> 01:58:13,560
Speaker 4: this wasn't really supposed to be a plug. I was

2526
01:58:13,640 --> 01:58:15,480
Speaker 4: just giving it to y'all as my people.

2527
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:20,839
Speaker 1: We're gonna plug you, you know, y'all man Kee Johnson,

2528
01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:24,160
Speaker 1: all the slow productions in the Draft Kings Network. We'll

2529
01:58:24,200 --> 01:58:25,000
Speaker 1: see y'all next week.