1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. The 2 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: Michael Verie Show is on the air. When we're all 3 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: dead and gone, which we will be, the work we 4 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: did will leave the most lasting impression. Those are deeds, 5 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: not accomplishments. We will live on through other people. To 6 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: what extent did we invest in them? To start with 7 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: our own spouses, certainly our own children, but other people's children. 8 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: Did we inspire them, we engage them, did we motivate them? 9 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: Did we make them better? Did we give them a 10 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: higher calling? Because that's how you live on, That's how 11 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: movements live on. There's a great book called Good to 12 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: Great by Jim Collins. And when I elected a city 13 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: council six months in, everybody wanted me to go to 14 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: their kids bar mitzvah, to church, or to the funeral 15 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: or to the wedding. And I couldn't possibly do it 16 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: all and people were angry at me. I supported you 17 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: and you need to be at my event. Well you 18 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: find out they don't really care about you being at 19 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: the event. They want somebody at the event that they 20 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: can announce. It's supposedly a public person, it's just a 21 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: city councilman, but they need that right, that gives glamor 22 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: to their event. But I felt bad because they had 23 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: supported me. And there were three weddings, funerals, bar mitzvahs 24 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,839 Speaker 1: or whatever else on that Saturday, and I literally could 25 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 1: not be at all of them, even if I made 26 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: the best attempt. So my wife said, why don't you 27 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: go talk Dad young? You know, he's got to deal 28 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: with this. At that point, I think there were thirty 29 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: thousand members of Second Baptists. I remember her saying, thirty 30 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: thousand Members's he's got to deal with this there. Everybody 31 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: wants a pastor there, their moms dying, their kids in 32 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: rehab there. You know, can you preach my sister's funeral? 33 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: I mean that's he has to deal with this all day, 34 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: every day. And he gave me that book to read, 35 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: and I did. And the point of building great organizations, 36 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: which can be applied to your personal life, is that 37 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: the great organization that he studied, Jim Collins, had to 38 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: survive the great leader. If the organization didn't survive the 39 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 1: great leader, then the great leader wasn't a great leader. 40 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: Because a great leader can build a culture that can 41 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: survive beyond him. And that was the scene. Quote nine 42 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: that was the thing that was the minimum barrier. It 43 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: had to survive beyond you. That's why Ayacoca couldn't be 44 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: in there, although he was a great leader, because wherever 45 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: he left would crumble when he left. And so the 46 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: real point there is the hearts and minds that were 47 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: set on fire by Charlie Kirk's activism and engagement. What 48 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: a compliment. You know, you're a college kid and here's 49 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: this guy who's nationally famous. You see him on TV, 50 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: you see him with the President, and he's coming to 51 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: your school in Michigan, Texas, Utah. And he's speaking to 52 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: you the students, not speaking down to you, not speaking 53 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: at you, engaging you one on one. You think that 54 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: doesn't matter to people. That's a ministry man, and he's 55 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: not speaking words of hate. He's speaking words of truth. Now, 56 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: the truth is very harmful and painful to people who 57 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: don't live in it. That is true. That is true. 58 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: As Marella, you're on the Michael Berry Show. 59 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: Go ahead, good morning. I am a proud mother of five. 60 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 2: I have a nineteen year old, sixteen, thirteenth, nine and seven. 61 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: My older three kids. 62 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 3: We have been talking to. 63 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 4: My older three kids because they're getting ready to go 64 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 4: to college. They're getting ready to go to the next step. 65 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 4: And it's one thing for mom and dad to tell you, 66 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 4: this is what's going on in your culture right now, 67 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 4: this is what's going on in society right now. But 68 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk came around. 69 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 5: Got a hold of my kids and I would say, 70 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 5: preached to them, because he is a man of God, 71 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 5: preached to them and out of probably I believe two 72 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 5: months after my kids finding Charlie Kirk. 73 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 3: On their own, they came home. 74 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 2: And told mom and dad, you are right. 75 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 3: So Charlie Kirk's. 76 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:31,799 Speaker 4: First thing is a man of God. 77 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 5: And not only did he show compassion, but he stood 78 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 5: for truth. And that's what this world is missing, is 79 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 5: the truth. And he did so many great things. And 80 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 5: we sure did lose a great warrior with the loss 81 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 5: of Charlie Kirk. And to think that these babies don't 82 00:05:55,520 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 5: have their dad and his wife is mourning because of 83 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 5: someone who couldn't see the truth. And that's what's wrong 84 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 5: with society today. That is wrong with the world and 85 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 5: this generation. He woke up this generation. I truly believe 86 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 5: he broke up this generation. And by the them taking 87 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 5: him away from this generation that's going to make them strong, 88 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 5: stand even stronger, and more together and more united. So 89 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 5: my kids are devastated that they lost one of their 90 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 5: influencers because above all, he was an influencer, and he 91 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 5: got to. 92 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 3: Be got to talk to my kids more because when 93 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 3: mom and dad says that it's not true, but when 94 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 3: someone else comes and has the same values as you 95 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 3: do and gets a hold of your children and grasps 96 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:54,239 Speaker 3: your children that way, they He left a big impact 97 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: on my kids, and I know of a lot more 98 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 3: kids in this error. We can say this generation right now. 99 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 3: So we are our family is devastated and we can 100 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 3: only keep praying for the Kirk family. 101 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: Very well, said Ezma Eldam. One fellow posted on Twitter 102 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: last night. When you murder the ones who want to 103 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: open a dialogue with you, who do you think will 104 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: be left? I want you to think on this for 105 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: a while, I mean, really chew on it. What do 106 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: you think happens to you when there's no one left 107 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: willing to debate you? This is what civil discourse means. 108 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: When you have to kill a person because what they 109 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: say is so powerful. Who do you think you're left with? 110 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: Your madnessness not go unabated. But who do you think 111 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: you're left with them? Oh, Will Hickman is on the line. 112 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: We will talk to him about his vote with the 113 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: State Board of Education coming up. Bizarre is on? Well done, 114 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: So this is the Michael Berry Show. A brief moment. 115 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: Hay Tight calling you when you stick to the Charlie 116 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: Kirk discussion. But there was a vote taken by the 117 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: State Board of Education and Will Hickman would like to 118 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: defend his vote. Well, I'll give you a couple of 119 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: minutes take it away. 120 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 6: Thank you, Michael, Thanks for having me on. Good to 121 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 6: talk to you again. So we have a number of 122 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 6: frameworks before us. We're developing a social studies framework really 123 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 6: for grades K through eight. This week. I'm an Austin 124 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 6: State Board of Educations meeting this week. I had two 125 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 6: rules or any framework that would make sense for me. 126 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 6: One is two years dedicated Texas history in grades three 127 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 6: through eight, and the second is something makes sense and 128 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 6: it's good for the kids. I drafted the starting point, 129 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 6: we called it Option B back in twenty twenty two. 130 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 6: And then we have kind of two front runners. I 131 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 6: think one of them will win the final vote tomorrow 132 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 6: when the State board meets. That's Option C, which is chronological, 133 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 6: and Option D, which is thematic. So I worked for 134 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 6: both authors of CND to add two years of dedicated 135 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 6: Texas history and avoid go mingling Texas with US and world. 136 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 6: I thought preserving two years of dedicated Texas was important. 137 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 6: I voted for both options C and D yesterday. I'll 138 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 6: vote for both of them tomorrow. Both of them make 139 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 6: sense to me, really, Michael. What we're doing here is 140 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 6: deciding the shape of the box, and then when it's 141 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 6: going to get as exciting is when we start filling 142 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 6: the box with all the social studies content. We call 143 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 6: it theotiques, the curriculum standards of what's going to be 144 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 6: taught in K through eight. But for right now, we're 145 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 6: just deciding when are we going to teach Texas, When 146 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 6: are we going to teach us, When are we going 147 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 6: to teach other topics. So that's basically what we did yesterday. 148 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 6: Yesterday was a committee, we make a recommendation. A state 149 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 6: Board of Education will vote finally tomorrow, and I think 150 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 6: it will likely be either Option C or D. And 151 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 6: for me, there's not a right answer here. One's chronological, 152 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 6: one stematic, and we've heard testimony all over the place 153 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 6: that either both work, or one works or the other work. 154 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 6: So I don't think there's a single right answer here. 155 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: Fair Enough, I said, I'd give you an opportunity to 156 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: say your piece. Josh, you're on the Michael Berry Show. 157 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 7: Go ahead, Hey, Michael, thank you so much for having 158 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 7: me on. I just wanted to make a comment about 159 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 7: where and violence, how words are often being equated to violence, 160 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 7: and you. 161 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 8: Know, as a pastor, I guess just to kind of 162 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 8: give this perspective, broadly speaking, that's the exact same rationalization 163 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 8: that was used to kill all of the disciples, to 164 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 8: murder Jesus, and to reak absolute havoc and destruction on 165 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 8: the early Church. And so I guess, you know, for me, 166 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 8: I came home and I was shocked to find my 167 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 8: eleven and nine year old really upset. I couldn't believe 168 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 8: how engaged and aware they were of this this entire time. 169 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 8: And you know, when I look at like in my children, 170 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 8: it's kind of dawning on me that, as you know, 171 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 8: for generations here in America, we've had the ability to 172 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 8: put such an emphasis on living a long life, and 173 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 8: it may be time to kind of dispel that with 174 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 8: the next generation, that the real goal isn't necessarily living 175 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 8: to your ninety and living a long life, but maybe 176 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 8: the goal is leaving a legacy. And I think previous 177 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 8: generations over humanity, that was their focus. And that's why 178 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 8: there's people that hundreds of years later, on thousands even 179 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 8: we still talk about them, because the goal wasn't to 180 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 8: be here forever. The goal was to leave a lasting 181 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 8: legacy rooted in truth and what was right, what was good. 182 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 7: So I just wanted to leave that perspective. 183 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: I think that's the best perspective. I think that is 184 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: definitely the best perspective. Three weeks ago, Charlie Kirk tweeted 185 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: It's all about Jesus. That was a tweet. And what's 186 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: interesting about that is he was asked separately during an interview, 187 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: how would you want to be known if you died? 188 00:12:54,840 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: And he said, for my faith. What's interesting is Charlie 189 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: Kirk's faith, his belief in Christ. His belief in Christ 190 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: was sufficient and fulfilling such that when he said this 191 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: is what I believe, he didn't feel the need to say, now, 192 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: I understand not all of y'all believe that, and that's Okay, 193 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: I hope you're not offended. How many times do we 194 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: see it said half our population has been wiped out 195 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: by the enemy. We should know if you are a 196 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: person who prays pray to whoever or whatever, or what 197 00:13:54,520 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: rock or what strand of hair or what other alien 198 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: incarnation of pseudo polka dots you've made into a religion, 199 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: because God forbid anyone be offended that you've taken up 200 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: your cross, which was exactly the reason you took up 201 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: your cross. Got to give the Muslims credit. They don't 202 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: say we're gonna pray to Allah now, but if that 203 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: offends you, pray to whatever wart or grasshopper you pray to. No, 204 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: they pray to their God as they see it, unashamed, unafraid. 205 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: But not us. Not us. Most of our people are 206 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: more worried about upsetting someone than they are following their faith. 207 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: And that tells you everything about their faith, because when 208 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: push comes to shove or the hammers get racked, you 209 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: ask yourself, how many people that are talking tough today 210 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: will not be with you, because well, you know the 211 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: other side is not so bad. They're not so bad, 212 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: are they? What winshield? You're up go ahead, you got 213 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: forty eight seconds. 214 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 9: Go got two points to make, the former being the 215 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 9: most important. Charlie Kirk was a Christian martyr. He was 216 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 9: a fearless man of God, and that's the reason why 217 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 9: they had to take him out. The second my second 218 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 9: reason explains that a little bit better. But I think 219 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 9: he needs to be recognized for his faith, what he 220 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 9: did for everyone, and that's why they That's why they 221 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 9: took him. But he was fighting a government, communist and 222 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 9: doctrination center, single handedly, a man of God taking on 223 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 9: this evil in the world. They had to take him 224 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 9: out because he was corrupting their woke militia that they're 225 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 9: turning out of the ecology seven. 226 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: One three nine nine nine one thousand. Seven one three 227 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: nine nine nine one thousand. I think it's very inspiring 228 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: that Charlie was a community college dropout went across the 229 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: country to campuses not to debate. That suggests there's a 230 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: winner and a loser to discuss, to engage. I mean, 231 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: what a what a naive idea? Right? What a naive 232 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: idea that we can use our words to discuss and disagree, 233 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: maybe learn something about each other in the process. I 234 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't do that would you. I wouldn't go on to 235 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: these campuses a bunch of nut jobs. But he did, 236 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: Thank God he did, Thank God he did. And that's 237 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: why my goal is, my hope is that his legacy 238 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: will be that his organization that was on eight hundred 239 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: campuses will be on eight thousand tomorrow, that his name 240 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:32,959 Speaker 1: will be quoted on the lips of young people coming 241 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: to grips with the world around them. Is that Lance, 242 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: you're on the Michael Berry ship? 243 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 10: Go ahead, sure, well, First and foremost, thanks for giving 244 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 10: us all the opportunity to speak our opinions on your show. 245 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 10: What you do each and every day and continue to do. 246 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 10: I'm a Catholic Christian down here in Texas, and it's 247 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 10: important that when we introduce our sloves that we identify 248 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 10: who we are and who we are, and we know 249 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 10: that he gave us that voice. Several people give us 250 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 10: that voice, but we have to know who we are 251 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 10: and how we're going to present ourselves in a society. 252 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 10: It's very, very, very important, though, that we do not 253 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 10: forget thousands upon thousands of men and women. It didn't 254 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 10: matter if they were white, black, brown, Christian, Protestants, Jewish, 255 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 10: Islamic that served our country. They came here to America, 256 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 10: they served our country proudly to defend that opportunity. And 257 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 10: a lot of it went haywire after nine to eleven, 258 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 10: and a lot of it went crazy and political even 259 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 10: when we went back to retaliate in all the wars Iraq, Afghanistan. 260 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 10: But there's a lot of families reeling today, and we 261 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 10: can't let the single act of one person who had 262 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 10: his own ideology or maybe his or her messed up 263 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 10: opinion in their head ruin the sacred day that we 264 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 10: have to present to remember September eleventh's victims, America's supporters 265 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 10: after that event, and just anybody the history of our country, 266 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 10: our great nation, who has given their life literally so 267 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 10: that you can have your radio show and people can 268 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 10: have those open bates, debates and open discussions. Look, we 269 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:14,959 Speaker 10: know who we are. I've identified who I am. When 270 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 10: you present yourself to somebody, Americans, we need to step up, 271 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 10: tell them exactly who you are, what your belief system is. 272 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 10: And I think instantly you'll gain respect from the person 273 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 10: across the aisle from you or sitting next to you 274 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 10: on the bus. And after that respect is established, and 275 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 10: made you can't have wrong opinions and wrong questions. Everybody's 276 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 10: as going to nod their head and say, I respect 277 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 10: you for the voice that you have and the opinion 278 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 10: that you have, So respect to something that's lost to 279 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 10: all these thumb warriors on social media who I'm ashamed 280 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 10: that I've read through and scrolled through and couldn't sleep 281 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 10: last night. But I can't let that shame and those, 282 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 10: like I said, thumb warriors ruin the institution that is 283 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 10: the great United States of America. So thank you for 284 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 10: the opinions that you let us share on your show. 285 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 10: And just as we go around, we to be nicer 286 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 10: to each other and just keyword key in on respect. 287 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 10: Charlie showed respect. But you know what, we all have 288 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 10: instances where we lose thought of that lose train of thought, 289 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 10: and we have to keep that front and center as 290 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 10: we guide ourselves and carry ourselves through this life as 291 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 10: we want to achieve salvation to get to the next one. 292 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: Thank you, Lance. I also think it's important to understand 293 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: that when we talk about kindness, we talk about respect, 294 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: we should not indiscriminately assume that anyone else is on 295 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: the wrong side of history. Or the wrong side of 296 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: the truth based on the shell that they were into 297 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: the room, whatever that may be, color, race, nationality, accent. 298 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: But I also think it's important to understand that the 299 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: problem here. Okay, let's take one example, and we don't 300 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: know this, but I'll use this because there's a chance 301 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: that this is Let's say this came from a upset 302 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: person who is upset over their own sexuality. They have dysphoria, 303 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: and they're angry because Charlie Kirk did not reinforce their 304 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: view as a boy that they're a girl, and that's 305 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: upsetting them. So we're in very naive with good people. 306 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: So we will tend to have as our reaction to 307 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: this more naivety and more goodness. And that's not necessarily 308 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: a bad thing. But it's also important to understand the 309 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 1: root of what we are battling about. We are not 310 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: battling for the heart and soul of this country over niceness. 311 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: Our side does not lack niceness. We do not lack 312 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: enough good Christian charity or kindness to other people in 313 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: acts small and large. The problem, the breakdown, the crumble, 314 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: is when you've got doctors who have decided that it 315 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: is now their role to perform surgeries without the consent 316 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: of the parents. Who would think that a social worker 317 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: who comes into the house because somebody at the school 318 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: says the Smiths won't let Roger become Regina and a 319 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: kid is taken out of the house, we don't think 320 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: of that as an act of violence. But if you're 321 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: going to use the language as to what spurs violence, 322 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: you're going to use the language of the left. That 323 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: act is violence. You have now destroyed that family, and 324 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: you've destroyed that little boy because there will come a 325 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: day that he will regret it. It will happen. And 326 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: when that happens, when you do such a thing, those 327 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: parents don't go quietly into the good night. They start talking, 328 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: They start speaking out, they start seeking change, They start 329 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: making phone calls and giving interviews, and you set off 330 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: a chain reaction. Well, nobody goes back to the social worker. 331 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 1: She's not the one getting shot. It's Charlie Kirk. Neither 332 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: one of them should be shot. But make no mistake, 333 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: the social worker at two o'clock in the afternoon was 334 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: the assassination of Archbishop Franz Ferdinand. That's what triggers these things. 335 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: The school counselor who behind the back of the parents, 336 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: transitions the child, renames the child, puts them through this 337 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: whole life. And this is in every aspect of life. 338 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: We have to understand that the left battles this war 339 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: an iron fist in a velvet glove, speakers, smart devices 340 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: from Michael's brain, every single one of them to your ears. 341 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: This is the Michael Verry Show. We will learn who 342 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: the shooter is, why he did it, what he's written, 343 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: every last detail. We will hear every detail of the investigation, 344 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: every conspiracy theory. It was the Jews, it was the trainees, 345 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 1: it was Israel, it was this, it was a and 346 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: maybe it will be one of them. I don't know, 347 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: but there will be time and place for that. That's 348 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: not here and that's not now. If the reason we fit, 349 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: there are two reasons we feel lost. Number one is 350 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 1: the incredibly good work that was done and the manner 351 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: in which it was done. And number two, the manner 352 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: in which he was killed, because this suggests something bigger 353 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: than even one person and one message. In one form 354 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: of advocacy, it suggests an attempt to silence, to intimidate, 355 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: to frighten. There are a lot of effects of that, 356 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,239 Speaker 1: and even if you didn't know who Charlie Kirk was, 357 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: you have to recognize that fact. That's why things like 358 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: this are done in this man and there will be 359 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: a time and place for that. But today I think 360 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: the greatest tribute we can pay is an actual tribute 361 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: to the hearts and minds that were won over to people, 362 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: especially young people, but not only young people who were 363 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: impressed by this. I did hear from young listeners who 364 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: told me that when they were in college just a 365 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: few years ago, or some in college or in high school, 366 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: that this was a message that resonated in them, very raw, 367 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: very stripped down, and bear the unplugged album if you will. 368 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: No production value, nothing, no big introduction, no June June, 369 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: June June, no screen behind him, just walking onto a campus, 370 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: three thousand people there, calling among the audience. Because he knew, 371 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: he knew there would be naysayers, he knew there would 372 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: be people walking around angry all the time that Charlie 373 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 1: Kirk had nothing to do with. But now that he 374 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: was on campus, they were mad. That people were happy, 375 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 1: and they were mad, and they were happy and they 376 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: were mad, and they were mad because they were happy, 377 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 1: and they'd love to come over and go. And what 378 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: they really do you actually watch, If you watch with 379 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: the volume off and you watch the body language, you 380 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: don't need to hear the words. The words might be 381 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: you're hateful, you're Nazi, you're hitler, you're horrible, you murdered me, 382 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: You're terrible, you're the worst, you're horrible, they're all sorts 383 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,479 Speaker 1: of ways. You're a bad person, you beat your wife, 384 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: you're you're you're the worst, You're you should die, you're 385 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: you're horrible, you're hitler. You can change all of those words. 386 00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: They're interchangeable, they're fungible, they don't matter. They are just 387 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: to be picked up and dropped in and they change 388 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: by the day. But what doesn't change is the body 389 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: language and the body language. And they walk in says 390 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 1: I'm hurting, I'm angry, I'm confused, I don't know which 391 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: way to turn. I don't fit in. Nothing makes sense, 392 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: nobody likes me, least of all me. I hate myself, 393 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: I despise myself, and I would kill myself, except you 394 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: wouldn't care. That's written all over their face in everybody language. 395 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: I would kill myself right now, except the worst part 396 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: of my meaningless life that no one cares about is 397 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: that no one would care it was over, and that 398 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: really bothers me. That's the worst indignity of all. So 399 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: lurking behind all of that in this dysphoria is if 400 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: I kill a bunch of people who are loved, who 401 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: are happy, who do have meaningful entanglements like marriages and 402 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: parenthood and friendship and brotherhood and work and fellowship. If 403 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: I can destroy something beautiful, then my dark, ugly life 404 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: will in some odd way half meaning because then at 405 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: least they have to notice me. They have to notice 406 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:47,239 Speaker 1: me most of all the parading around in public with 407 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: the big wigs and the carrying on and everybody seeing 408 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: me and the twerking and all that. You ever ask yourself, 409 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: why why does somebody go to all that trouble to 410 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: go out in public and do this because they feel 411 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: so small, because they feel so alone and meaningless. No 412 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: one else's fault, it's their own life, but that's how 413 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: they feel. And so they decide, I'm not going to 414 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: let you not look at me for another minute. I'm 415 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: going to force you to confront that I exist. But 416 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: why because nobody's noticing me? Over here. I'm not noticing 417 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: any of the other people either. It's not my responsibility 418 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: to notice them. Only have so much bandwidth. Once you 419 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: twist and pervert that person internally into self doubt, dysphoria, anger, frustration, confusion, resentment, 420 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: they're left with with what because eventually you push them 421 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: out of the high school and then what They don't 422 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: fit in anywhere else. They don't have any meaningful relationships. 423 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: They've turned all those off. They've called their parents the 424 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: worst monsters, they've turned on their previous friends. And so 425 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: there they are in some apartment or maybe in mom's basement, angry, 426 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: confused with an internet connection. What are they hearing? What 427 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: are they hearing? What are they hearing? And the amazing 428 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: thing is it Charlie knew that he knew what was 429 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: out there on campuses. He understood the risk. How about 430 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: his wife, Erica, who said, there's no way she didn't 431 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: know the risk? And she said, yeah, what you're doing 432 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: is so important, continue to do it. Some of those 433 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: important jobs that need to be done are inherently dangerous. 434 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: He knew that you're a sitting duck. Every day I 435 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: saw an article. He had security, He had people standing 436 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: next to him so that you couldn't jump on him, 437 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: and frankly, if you act fast, you could probably out 438 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: maneuver them. That's just the nature of the beast. He 439 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: didn't have secret Service detail that went up on top 440 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: of the roof. Of course Trump did too, and it 441 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: didn't stop them. The point is not how stupid people 442 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: were around him that this happened, because I don't think 443 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: you could have stopped this particular shooting. The point is 444 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: how brave you have to be to know there are risks, 445 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: unknown risks, but to know there are risks and to 446 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: believe in what you're doing. That that's the reach I 447 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: want to have 448 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 7: MMM.