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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong and Getty and He Armstrong and Eddy.

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<v Speaker 3>President Trumvin oounce in a post untruth Social Republican Center

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<v Speaker 3>Lindsay Graham had passed away and added quote details and

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<v Speaker 3>arrangements to follow.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, why are you in charge of the arrangement? He

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<v Speaker 2>has a family, Lindsey would have wanted us to serve cheeseburgers.

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<v Speaker 3>So Lindsey's sister is gonna be the senator until November anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it seems Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw where Mitch McConnell put out a picture of

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<v Speaker 1>himself in the hospital to prove he was still live

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<v Speaker 1>in the internet.

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<v Speaker 2>Immediately said AI. Yeah, it's a problem with AI. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw Lindsey Graham interviewed I don't know how many

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<v Speaker 3>years ago where he said his sister is his greatest achievement.

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<v Speaker 3>The fact that she's turned out good makes him happier

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<v Speaker 3>than anything in his life, because man, both their parents died.

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<v Speaker 3>He's nineteen, she's thirteen. He adopts her and takes care

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<v Speaker 3>of her. That's a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, saw a bunch of interviews from his small town

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<v Speaker 1>that he grew up in and where he lived, and

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<v Speaker 1>he would just go home all the time from DC.

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<v Speaker 1>He was not one of those denizens of DC. He

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<v Speaker 1>was home in South Carolina all the time. He would

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<v Speaker 1>just go to the walmart and his ball cap and

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<v Speaker 1>people say hey, Lindsay, you'd say, hey, how you doing,

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<v Speaker 1>just acted like a regular guy when he's home. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really an interesting character.

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<v Speaker 3>So socialism is in the news, and I hope that

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<v Speaker 3>didn't make you roll your eyes or dive for the

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<v Speaker 3>dial to turn it off to hear more talk about socialism.

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<v Speaker 3>It's interesting that it's comeback.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny.

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<v Speaker 3>My son and I were talking about this in the

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<v Speaker 3>car just the other day, like how this has made

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<v Speaker 3>a comeback. My dad explained to me when I was

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<v Speaker 3>like six years old why it doesn't work, and I

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<v Speaker 3>never doubted it once because it made perfect sense to me.

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<v Speaker 3>If everybody gets equal stuff, nobody's gonna try. Okay, it

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<v Speaker 3>makes sense. That was the end of the conversation. That's

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<v Speaker 3>all I needed to hear because it.

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<v Speaker 2>The rest is just detailed. That makes perfect sense. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and it just all you gotta do is look around you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>But collectivism or whatever you want to call it, Marxism

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever it's it's it's coming back. Obviously I was

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<v Speaker 3>on one of your fancy pants twitter feeds with smart

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<v Speaker 3>people explaining where Rousseau came in on this whole conversation

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<v Speaker 3>a good eighty years before Marx did his writing. Rosseau

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<v Speaker 3>invented a lot of this stuff, the great French philosopher.

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<v Speaker 3>Every premise of contemporary progressive ideology traces directly back to

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<v Speaker 3>one man who had never met a noble savage that

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<v Speaker 3>was his term, never raised a child, and never lived

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<v Speaker 3>according to a single principle.

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<v Speaker 2>He preached, just like all of these other people, Marx, so.

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<v Speaker 3>Platner, all these people, all these people who like socialism,

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<v Speaker 3>never had a job, never raised kids, usually never like

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<v Speaker 3>lived any of the real life. It's amazing anyway. Rousseau's

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<v Speaker 3>foundational claim a man is naturally good and civilization corrupts him,

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<v Speaker 3>which sounds compassionate, but it's a most dangerous idea and

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<v Speaker 3>the history of Western political thought, because if a man

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<v Speaker 3>is naturally good, than every failure, every crime, every inequality

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<v Speaker 3>is caused by the system, not by the individual responsibility. Evaporates,

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<v Speaker 3>the oppressor is always external, the victim is always pure.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the complete architecture of wokeism in one sentence,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was written in seventeen fifty five.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an excellent point. Yeah, that's good.

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<v Speaker 1>I disliked Rousseau since I first read him in college,

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<v Speaker 1>but it hadn't occurred to me that, Yeah, that's like the.

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<v Speaker 2>DNA of it. Yeah, it really is anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>So Jonah Goldberg of The Dispatch took a break, thank god,

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<v Speaker 3>in my mind, from everything Trump and got back to

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<v Speaker 3>one of his greatest things he's ever written about is

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<v Speaker 3>the free market and capitalism versus socialism and all that

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<v Speaker 3>sort of stuff. He's written many books over the years,

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<v Speaker 3>works for the Dispatch now, and he went on several

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<v Speaker 3>screeds over the last couple of weeks with all these

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<v Speaker 3>candidates winning as part of calling themselves democratic socialists and

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<v Speaker 3>beating out the mainstream democrats. I'll read a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>from this because I thought it was good. We hear

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<v Speaker 3>a lot about how democratic socialism isn't Communism has no

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<v Speaker 3>similarities to communism, and people who suggest it does are ignorant.

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<v Speaker 3>Mccarthyites are both mainstream media pundits, academics and democratic politicians

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<v Speaker 3>insists that that Democratic Socialism of the DSA, that's the

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<v Speaker 3>actual party, Democrat Socialists of America, that's where Mundami came from. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>has nothing to do with communism or revolutionary or violent

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<v Speaker 3>communist struggles. Jenal Goldberg writes, I have no problem conceding

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<v Speaker 3>the definitions of democratic socialism and communism are very different,

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<v Speaker 3>and that there are sincere democratic socialists who aren't communists.

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<v Speaker 3>Mlka Junior wasn't a communist. The founder of the DSA,

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Harrington wasn't a communist either. But it's worth noting

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<v Speaker 3>that within the Democratic Socialist Party there are a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of affiliated caucuses. They call them because they have different

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<v Speaker 3>branches within their party that they call caucuses, and many

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<v Speaker 3>of the caucuses are a validly and openly communist, and

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<v Speaker 3>nobody in the DSA ever asked to explain them away.

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<v Speaker 3>For instance, the Liberation Caucus is a self described Marxist

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<v Speaker 3>Leninist Maoist caucus.

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<v Speaker 2>This isn't quotes. This is from their website.

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<v Speaker 3>Marxist Leninist MAOIs Caucus and Democratic Socialists of America. It

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<v Speaker 3>defended the murder of the two Jews outside the Capitol

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<v Speaker 3>back in twenty twenty five. DSA was forced to condemn

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<v Speaker 3>the shooting, but did not condemn the Liberation Caucus. In

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<v Speaker 3>their own party, the Liberation Caucus has a dedicated common

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<v Speaker 3>Misconceptions about Maoism page.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow Isn't that amazing? Wow?

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<v Speaker 3>Mao, who killed more people than maybe any human in

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<v Speaker 3>the history of the planet, certainly is in the running

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<v Speaker 3>tens of millions. The Liberation Caucus recommended reading list does

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<v Speaker 3>not include any titles promoting Swedish style social democracy, which

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<v Speaker 3>is what your socialists are always talking about. Don't we

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<v Speaker 3>much want to do what Sweden does?

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<v Speaker 1>It's most Caitlin Collins on CNN is always trying to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you that the DSA is.

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<v Speaker 3>For instance, Right Goldberg writes, it's mostly a dog's breakfast

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<v Speaker 3>of Marxist Leninism, Black national and of of course Maoist doctrine.

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<v Speaker 3>And he has the links if you actually want to

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<v Speaker 3>read about it. The Marxist Unity Group is another DSA

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<v Speaker 3>faction that is officially in its party and not being

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<v Speaker 3>you know, booted out or anything among it. Seven points

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<v Speaker 3>of Unity is fight the Constitution, in which they openly

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<v Speaker 3>say we want socialists to fight and overthrow the constitution.

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<v Speaker 2>The Red Star Caucus.

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<v Speaker 3>Yet another group explains that it's a Marxist Leninist caucus

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<v Speaker 3>in the DSA. Our primary goal all this is int quote,

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<v Speaker 3>our primary goal, the goal which informs all of our

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<v Speaker 3>organizing work, is to aboblish abolished capitalism and ultimately to

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<v Speaker 3>achieve communism.

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<v Speaker 2>It's on their web page.

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<v Speaker 3>Red Star conceives of itself as an ideological center in

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<v Speaker 3>the DSA. Then there's the Communist Caucus, which rejects the

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<v Speaker 3>notion that power can simply be taken via the ballot box.

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<v Speaker 3>It rejects mere reform. Is incrementalism, not a solution. They

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<v Speaker 3>insist that the DSA has a great potential promoting and

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<v Speaker 3>unifying working class struggles, but they need to come at

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<v Speaker 3>it much harder. We believe there are many avenues that

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<v Speaker 3>feed into the democratic road to socialism. Our vision pushes

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<v Speaker 3>further than social democracy and leaves behind authoritarian visions of

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<v Speaker 3>socialism and the dust bin of history. Okay, so Jonah

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<v Speaker 3>Goldberg ends with this. I have looked in vain to

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<v Speaker 3>find evidence that any major media outlet has asked DSA

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<v Speaker 3>candidates to repudiate these caucuses by name or even meaningfully

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<v Speaker 3>engage with the fact that they are fully recognized caucuses

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<v Speaker 3>and factions within their party. Nobody's having to speak for

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<v Speaker 3>that at all. And he goes on to say, we

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<v Speaker 3>can only go too far with the guilt by association arguments.

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<v Speaker 3>But the simpler fact is that they are literally associated

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<v Speaker 3>with these groups. They may not be members of these groups,

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<v Speaker 3>they may even privately oppose them or work to minimize

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<v Speaker 3>their influence within the party, but they are still a

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<v Speaker 3>part of an organization that does not reject them. Maoists

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<v Speaker 3>and communists are in their tent. If a Republican candidate

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<v Speaker 3>was a member of some broad front that had openly

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<v Speaker 3>Nazi and fascist organizations committed to overthrowing the count institution

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<v Speaker 3>within it, I don't think we would hear a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of well, actually, conservatism and fascism are very different things

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<v Speaker 3>the way we hear Actually, democratic socialism and communism are

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<v Speaker 3>not the same thing, right right. I thought that was

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<v Speaker 3>really good and everybody should know that, and the mainstream media, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>should make these DSA members who have won I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know how many different primaries recently, including the one in

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<v Speaker 3>Colorado and then that guy that's leading currently for the

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<v Speaker 3>Senate nominee in Michigan. Make them openly say disavow those

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<v Speaker 3>other parts of their group.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they'd lie about it, but they at least need

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<v Speaker 1>to be asked about it. I wonder if we all

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<v Speaker 1>need to take a sacred vow. If you encounter any

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<v Speaker 1>member of the mainstream media, ask them, why don't members

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<v Speaker 1>of the DSA ever get asked about the openly communist

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<v Speaker 1>members of the DSA, About the Maoists in the DSA,

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<v Speaker 1>the people whose whole goal, according to their own website

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<v Speaker 1>is to overthrow capitalism or constitution? Right? Yeah, yeah, why

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<v Speaker 1>don't you ever ask them that? I would love to

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<v Speaker 1>hear that question come from every man, woman and child

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<v Speaker 1>with a conscience in America until it gets the job done.

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<v Speaker 2>That was news to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know that the DSA was full of people

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<v Speaker 3>that hardcore openly. I assumed they had hardcore people like that,

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<v Speaker 3>but not openly that hardcore and getting away with it.

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<v Speaker 3>We're a maoist organization. Here are the myths about mao

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<v Speaker 3>is your website?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Trump was at all effective in talking about this stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>or or somebody could step out and take the lead

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<v Speaker 1>on this. Just somebody with a platform big enough that

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<v Speaker 1>folks wake up to it. There are plenty of folks

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<v Speaker 1>on the conservative side of things who aren't fully aware

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<v Speaker 1>of what the.

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<v Speaker 2>DSA is, and it's troubling.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I was gonnaware that those groups were in there

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<v Speaker 3>as open as open as they are about their goals.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew there were openly communists that were at the

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<v Speaker 1>heart of the movement, but I didn't know they had

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<v Speaker 1>like separate factions of different sorts of communism and were

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<v Speaker 1>recognized caucuses within the party and accepted, yeah, and accepted

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<v Speaker 1>you couldn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Be like part of the Republican Party obviously, and or

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<v Speaker 3>run against mainstream Republicans and win and no, I'm a Nazi.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm we're part of the Nazi Party. We believe in

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<v Speaker 3>national socialism and the eradication of well, the Jews thing.

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<v Speaker 3>You might have to be a Democrat. Then at that

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<v Speaker 3>point you couldn't be a Republican.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, as we were discussing earlier, the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic Socialists say openly, oh, we're here to supplant

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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic Party. We're going to shove their leadership out

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<v Speaker 1>and take over the party in the name of socialism.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine the Republican parties saying the Nazis they

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<v Speaker 1>keep saying they're going to take over the party, but

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<v Speaker 1>we need them for our coalition.

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<v Speaker 2>Sick.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing I would like to know is how big

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<v Speaker 3>these various groups are. How many people are in them?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of millions?

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to know, are they big enough and wily

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<v Speaker 1>enough and brutal enough to take over the politics?

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<v Speaker 2>Though? Of places?

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<v Speaker 1>The answer is yeah, clearly, Like in New York and

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<v Speaker 1>in Colorado and everywhere else they're running winning elections. Bernie Sanders,

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<v Speaker 1>Graham Plattner, who you know, he's gone, but his ill

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<v Speaker 1>will remain. So they're effective. Never mind the numbers, although

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious about the numbers. Two How effective are they?

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<v Speaker 2>Very? Is the answer?

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<v Speaker 3>The takeaway in Jonah's point, I think really was none

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<v Speaker 3>of these candidates that say they are members of the

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<v Speaker 3>DSA should get away with being on face the nation

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<v Speaker 3>talking to Margaret Brennan without her making them disavow those

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<v Speaker 3>other factions. Yeah, or even how can you be a

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<v Speaker 3>member of a party that has avowed Maoists and communists

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<v Speaker 3>in it?

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<v Speaker 2>How can you even be in the party, let alone

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<v Speaker 2>do some album. Maoists.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, here are the myths about MAO What.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, it's crazy. These are crazy ass times, man, crazy

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<v Speaker 2>as I think any weird fast.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd say, you're right, elon more on the waist there,

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<v Speaker 3>Armstrong and.

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<v Speaker 4>Getty, and we would like to invest tremendously in the

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<v Speaker 4>United States as opposed to charging a fee. And I

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<v Speaker 4>like that actually, because I don't think anybody should be

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<v Speaker 4>able to charge your fee for the UH, for the

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<v Speaker 4>straight or for any other straight relationship in terms of

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<v Speaker 4>other sections of the world. I don't think anybody should

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<v Speaker 4>be really in that position. But we were doing it

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<v Speaker 4>as a reimbursement. The Gulf States are going to invest

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<v Speaker 4>a tremendous amount of money into the United States, and

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<v Speaker 4>that was very satisfactory to me. I think it's actually

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<v Speaker 4>much better.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let's explain what's going on.

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<v Speaker 3>Trump, off the top of his head, came up with

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<v Speaker 3>the idea of a twenty percent fee for ships to

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<v Speaker 3>go through the Strait yesterday. Then he realized, oh, I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't realize. The Secretary Marco Rubio said that would be horrible.

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<v Speaker 3>Just like three weeks ago, and everybody explained to him

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<v Speaker 3>how it would be horrible and undoable and all kinds

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<v Speaker 3>of different stuff. So he's backed off of that within

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<v Speaker 3>twenty four hours. And now it's country's investing in the

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<v Speaker 3>United States and they'll promise to and they may or

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<v Speaker 3>may not, and you'll never know because I would even

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<v Speaker 3>keep track of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm picturing the cabinet going from probably in the early days, saying,

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<v Speaker 1>Sweet Mother of God, he said, what to now. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like a playing a board game. President said, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a confiscating all the airliners on Earth. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 1>why don't we explain that we're actually in favor of

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<v Speaker 1>free air travel and we just wanted to ensure that

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<v Speaker 1>pollution's held under control. Okay, great, yeah, I'll put that

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<v Speaker 1>that out.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it's just ridiculous. A couple of World Cup notes. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>watch on the soccer.

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<v Speaker 1>The greatest rivalry in sports on Earth, England v Argentina.

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<v Speaker 1>Brief history they're playing to me, they've only played five

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<v Speaker 1>games over one hundred and fifty years. Here's the five games.

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<v Speaker 1>A match so violent it prompted the invention of the

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<v Speaker 1>red card. Oh really, Yeah, that's England Argentina a goal

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<v Speaker 1>so controversial it became known as the hand of God.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when Maradonna punched the ball into the net for

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<v Speaker 1>the winning goal for the World Cup, back before there

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<v Speaker 1>were replays. Oh ref missed. It looked like a hitter

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<v Speaker 1>from his angle. Oh okay, even though it was clearly

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<v Speaker 1>punched it in with his hand. A goal so sublime

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<v Speaker 1>it became known as the goal of the Century. Allegations

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<v Speaker 1>of vile racism endless chance about the Falkland Islands. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a little uncomfortable. They fought a war, Margaret Thatcher, anybody

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<v Speaker 1>falk On Islands are part of Argentina. I couldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>told you that for a million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I fought a war over it.

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<v Speaker 1>The ejection of soccer icon David Beckham and an effigy

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<v Speaker 1>of a player hanged outside London pub. Uh yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just it's both countries are crazy about the about the rivalry.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know Beckham, who played for England, got kicked out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of one of their matches. Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you're kind of a casual Ish fan, you've

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<v Speaker 3>probably at least heard of Lionel Messi, considered maybe the

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<v Speaker 3>greatest player of all time and he plays for Argentina currently.

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<v Speaker 2>He's an old man now, but he'll be playing tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>When the two sides met at London's Wembley Stadium in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy nineteen sixty six, tempers freight so quickly that

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<v Speaker 1>Argentina captain Antonio Rattin was sent off.

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<v Speaker 2>After a series of vicious fouls.

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<v Speaker 1>He refused to leave the pitch for eight minutes before

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately taking a seat on the red carpet that had

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<v Speaker 1>been exclusively reserved for the Queen.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even get into the referee as a jew

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<v Speaker 1>and he fixed the game controversy. Wow, that's emerged in

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<v Speaker 1>the wake of Argentina Egypt.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 3>More on that to come. I carry and a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of other stuff. If you miss you get the podcast

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<v Speaker 3>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>The Governor of New York.

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<v Speaker 3>Just signed whatever he assigned as governor, banning data center's

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<v Speaker 3>existence in the state. First nation statewide ban of these

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<v Speaker 3>AI data centers.

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<v Speaker 2>That's wild. Ah, yeah, that's is that a thing?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if that's even legal. And then my

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<v Speaker 3>other breaking news. Trump is one of the wackiest people

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<v Speaker 3>who've ever lived. Certainly the most powerful wacky person ever lived.

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<v Speaker 3>There will no longer be a twenty percent toll on

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<v Speaker 3>the straight of horn moves. Less than twenty four hours

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<v Speaker 3>after he imposed a twenty percent toll and sent the

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<v Speaker 3>markets going in everybody talking and articles.

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<v Speaker 2>Written here and there. Well, you got to write your

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<v Speaker 2>articles fast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll take care of that tomorrow, boss, No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>right today. Boy, So I found this discouragingly believable. The

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<v Speaker 1>match in the World Cup between Argentina and Egypt was

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<v Speaker 1>one for the ages.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got it on the dvr. I haven't watched. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>watched the second half.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably that's Argentina Egypt, and then the next one. Who

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<v Speaker 3>did they beat the most recently? That was really good too.

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<v Speaker 3>They fell behind early.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, anyway about the Egypt though, you gotta watch that

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<v Speaker 1>last ten minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we'll do the thrillerund The field was also a

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<v Speaker 1>prelude to something much bigger and much darker. Within an

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<v Speaker 1>hours of the final whistle, and anti Semitic conspiracy theory

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<v Speaker 1>was born. The idea began galloping across the Internet that

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<v Speaker 1>a cabal including Benjamin Netanya, who the Masade Lionel Messi,

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<v Speaker 1>Argentine President Xavier Milat and the FIFA had conspired to

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<v Speaker 1>rig the game for the Argentine team. Now, Jack, there

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<v Speaker 1>was evidence, I'm just asking questions, all right. The evidence

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<v Speaker 1>consisted of nothing more than photos of Messi posing with

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<v Speaker 1>Israeli officials and praying at the Western Wall more than

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<v Speaker 1>a decade ago, plus a few pictures of Milay with

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<v Speaker 1>Net and Yahoo. Even among the conspiratorially minded, this was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty thin stuff, right, It's Ashley Rinsberg. I assume Messi

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<v Speaker 1>is Catholic or he's not Jewish?

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<v Speaker 2>Are he?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>But what the theory lacked was a FIFA component, something

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<v Speaker 1>that would link the nebulous Israel Argentina connection of the

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<v Speaker 1>game itself. So just like that one was invented, a

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<v Speaker 1>baseless claim that the game's referee, Francois Lexeitier la Texier,

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<v Speaker 1>was a Jewish or all the signs of a classic

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<v Speaker 1>digital influence operation, but subtly different, just a handful of

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<v Speaker 1>edits on Wikipedia, leverage structure and chronic vulnerabilities in our

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<v Speaker 1>information ecosystem to fabricate truth.

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<v Speaker 2>In broad daylight.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy's not Jewish at all, But the Internet believed

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<v Speaker 1>he us for a while, and this conspiracy theory went wild,

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<v Speaker 1>always the freaking Jews. I am so sorry my Jewish friends. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>it was bunk, which brings us to utterly soulless, evil

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<v Speaker 1>grifter and prayer on the weak minded.

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<v Speaker 2>At candae Ollens, you.

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<v Speaker 5>Can spend a billion dollars in influencers because this is

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<v Speaker 5>all becoming increasingly inexplicable. You are asking me to be

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<v Speaker 5>an idiot, actually, and I cannot do that for you.

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<v Speaker 5>Someone once commented beneath this show that if the situations

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<v Speaker 5>were reversed and there were this many verifiable lies that

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<v Speaker 5>Charlie told regarding the murder or assassination of his wife,

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<v Speaker 5>Charlie would be in prison awaiting trial. And I actually

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<v Speaker 5>agree with that assessment. We are way beyond coincidence. This

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<v Speaker 5>is now a full blown conspiracy.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's our grift now.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's making lots and lots of money, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely evil, mining gold from the corpse of her quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote friend and his grieving widow and little children with

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<v Speaker 1>her bizarre ass theories. I found this super interesting. Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Schermer wrote a book about conspiracy theories, cleverly titled Where

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<v Speaker 1>is it else there's something like conspiracy, Oh, conspiracy. Why

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<v Speaker 1>the rational believe the irrational in twenty twenty two, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think I bought that. I think I will though,

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<v Speaker 1>And he starts with the Charlie kirk thing and how

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<v Speaker 1>in the preliminary hearings about the evidentiary hearings for Tyler Robinson,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy who shot Charlie kirk In's throat, and also

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<v Speaker 1>actually the evidence is overwhelming. For example, he confessed to

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<v Speaker 1>the crime by text to his transgender room mate, both

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<v Speaker 1>by text and then in person. His own parents recognized

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<v Speaker 1>him from released images that the rifle he used match

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<v Speaker 1>that of his grandfather. Robinson's DNA was found on the

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<v Speaker 1>rifles trigger, a spent cartridge casing, two on spent cartridges,

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<v Speaker 1>and the talel used to wrap the rifle. Surveillance footage

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<v Speaker 1>showed Robinson jumping down from the rooftop where the federal

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<v Speaker 1>shot appeared to have been taken, and bullet cartridges recovered

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<v Speaker 1>at the scene featured engravings made with a tool found

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<v Speaker 1>in Robinson's bedroom, along with the shellcasing engraved test shot.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is not even an exhaustive list.

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<v Speaker 3>No, because he had the testimony from the girlfriend, boyfriend

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<v Speaker 3>roommate about the engraving on the well of the confession.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good place to start. But then also that

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<v Speaker 3>Robinson had done the engraving and he knew all about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, And he points out that this is not

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<v Speaker 1>an exhaustive list, and you might assume that given all this,

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<v Speaker 1>the vicious conspiracy theories sparked by Kirk's assassination, which have

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<v Speaker 1>infected our society ever since, would have faded, But you

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<v Speaker 1>would be wrong. Then he goes into some of the

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theories, turning point USA Erica Kirk in the massad

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<v Speaker 1>and or Israel was involved in the murder. Primary purveyor

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<v Speaker 1>of this conspiracy theory is the soulless candasoans or to

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<v Speaker 1>the CIA program Robinson as part of a mind control

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<v Speaker 1>mission that also apparently roped in Charles Manson at one point.

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<v Speaker 1>Or three false flag deep state inside job, etc. Or

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<v Speaker 1>four staged hoax sigh up our fake death. All of

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<v Speaker 1>these are kicking around the internet, and mister Shermer believes

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<v Speaker 1>that it all has to do with what we've discussed

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of times already. Proportionality bias, a well documented

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<v Speaker 1>concept in the study of conspiracy theories. It kicks in

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<v Speaker 1>when there's an imbalanced or mismatch between the size or

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<v Speaker 1>importance of an event and that of its purported cause.

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<v Speaker 1>And he points out the assassination of Well, actually, he

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<v Speaker 1>points out first that the Holocaust was a giant horror

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<v Speaker 1>perpetrated by a giant, horrible regime, and so for most

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<v Speaker 1>of history there haven't been conspiracy theories about that because

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<v Speaker 1>there was congruence between the proportions.

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<v Speaker 2>But like John F.

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy's assassination by a lone loser is way out of proportion.

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<v Speaker 2>So it went crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I'd supposed to a certain extent the idea

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<v Speaker 3>that twenty one Saudi's could take planes and bring down

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<v Speaker 3>two biggest buildings in the whole country.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't. That's not very proportional either.

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<v Speaker 1>Well done, sir. That's his key example that he's working

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<v Speaker 1>his way toward Jackie Kennedy, for example, upon learning that

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<v Speaker 1>Oswald was the assassin, said.

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<v Speaker 2>Of her husband, and I, Dad, I didn't remember hearing

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<v Speaker 2>this quote. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't even have the satisfaction of being killed for

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<v Speaker 1>civil rights. It had to be some silly little communist.

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<v Speaker 1>Princess Diana they mentioned, but consider nine to eleven. How

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<v Speaker 1>could nineteen guys with box cutters, you know, wonder nine

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<v Speaker 1>eleven truthers pull off the biggest terrorist attack in US history.

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<v Speaker 1>There must must have been other forces at work. They

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<v Speaker 1>insist an inside job by the Bush administration, etc. We've

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<v Speaker 1>all heard the stories many times, but it's all about

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<v Speaker 1>proportionality bias.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I want to read the one quote I got

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<v Speaker 3>here from Alan Moore, who I don't really know what

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<v Speaker 3>you say. He's a really, really big deal as a writer.

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<v Speaker 3>The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is

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<v Speaker 3>that conspiracy theorists believe in a conspiracy because that is

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<v Speaker 3>more comforting the truth of the world. The truth of

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<v Speaker 3>the world is that it's actually chaotic. The truth is

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<v Speaker 3>far more frightening. Nobody's in control. The world is rudderless.

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<v Speaker 3>Some people can't handle the fact that the world is rudderless.

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<v Speaker 3>I loved your Lindsey Graham illustration at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, but that was good. I have no memory of it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he said, it's it's it's less scary, less scary

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<v Speaker 1>to believe.

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead, yeah, yeah, it's way better to believe the

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<v Speaker 3>Russians killed Lindsey Graham than the idea that your aorta

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<v Speaker 3>could blow up today.

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<v Speaker 2>Just out of nowhere, like Lindsay Grahams did. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>thousand to one on the scary meter. Yeah, he Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>David Harsanyi in the New York Post about the same thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and he says, there is no way, given what has

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<v Speaker 1>become clear in court, that anybody could doubt that this

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<v Speaker 1>guy was the killer. And like Candace Owens, and I

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<v Speaker 1>almost hurt to hate to even mention her, although she

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<v Speaker 1>has such a giant platform, it doesn't matter. She's claiming,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no way he was shot with a thirty odd

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<v Speaker 1>six rifle thirty out six rifle bullet. More likely he

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<v Speaker 1>was killed by an exploding microphone or some other device

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that was wielded by some silent assassin in

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<v Speaker 1>the front row or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>So the original guy who is doing the uh Q

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<v Speaker 3>stuff que on stuff that he had the website and

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<v Speaker 3>he is what was he claiming? I work in the

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<v Speaker 3>CIA and I know all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, really deep in intelligence.

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<v Speaker 3>He was just jerking people around for his own I

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<v Speaker 3>get that. And then at some point when he realized,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, people are getting hurt or being killed, or

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<v Speaker 3>this is causing trouble. He came forward and said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I was just jerking people are Uh, this is a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of crap. I don't understand those who profit in that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's worth mentioning explain that away as yeah, right, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, see, but I get him because I like

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<v Speaker 1>jerking people around too.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fun.

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<v Speaker 3>But at the point that you got some grieving widow

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<v Speaker 3>crying in her little kids because people they have to

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<v Speaker 3>have they've had to move, because there are death threats

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<v Speaker 3>because they think she works for the Jews, then it's

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<v Speaker 3>not so fun anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>So, I mean you perpetuate it.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to be full on evil to dol for cash. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's incredible. I agree completely. I'd like this from Harsanyi

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<v Speaker 1>to wrap up the conversation. Uh. Sure, some genuinely naive

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<v Speaker 1>listeners may have been gulled into falling for Owen's manic nonsense,

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<v Speaker 1>and sure the trial might suck some.

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<v Speaker 2>Of them a cobber entertainment out of the case.

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<v Speaker 1>But conspiracists often under the impression of just asking questions

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<v Speaker 1>is a virtue in and of itself. They rarely get

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<v Speaker 1>the facts in the way a conspiracy theory is a

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<v Speaker 1>never ending string of half truth threaded together with to

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<v Speaker 1>create a narrative that's impossible to disprove, and conspiracy theories

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<v Speaker 1>only grow with every denial, and when they can no

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<v Speaker 1>longer grow, the conspiracist just moves on to the next

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<v Speaker 1>enticing topic.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so what is going on with Why for most

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<v Speaker 3>of us can we just accept that the world is

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<v Speaker 3>random and chaotic and sometimes one nut job can change

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<v Speaker 3>world history?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a conversation with one of my kids the

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<v Speaker 1>other day about anxiety and anxiety medications and how widespread

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<v Speaker 1>it is and what it is in the world, and

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing, and I made the remark I've

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<v Speaker 1>made many times, I'm pleasantly surprised when people's minds work correctly,

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<v Speaker 1>including my own. Why some people have that weakness, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to judge them because I find it

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<v Speaker 1>more satisfying, or I would prefer to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>help them slash straighten them out, although if they're too

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<v Speaker 1>far down that road, I think they're too far gone.

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<v Speaker 1>But Harsani finally writes, until the rest of us forcefully

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<v Speaker 1>stigmatize mock and explicitly reject the people who spread this garbage.

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<v Speaker 1>They will persist. Consider them stigmatized. Mocks, didn't rect mock,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't reject it around here.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, if you like in your personal life though, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't mean the radio show in your personal life, if

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<v Speaker 3>you confront somebody on this stuff, do they just.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you straighten them out? Or did they just cut

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<v Speaker 2>you off so hard? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, number one, that's likely and number two, as David

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<v Speaker 1>Harshani put it, it's a string of half truths that

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<v Speaker 1>are impossible to falsify.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, he was married to the daughter of this

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<v Speaker 3>company who's CFO.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what Tucker does.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the best, that he is the best at that

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<v Speaker 1>is that a coincidence?

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<v Speaker 2>And what company did his dad work for? Halliburden?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, you know that sort of thing. Okay, how do

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<v Speaker 3>you falsify? You can't, which is what they got going for.

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<v Speaker 1>The referee isn't Jewish, and even if he were, it

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't matter. Sweet mother of God people, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>we will finish strong. Next.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you familiar with the hottest summer trend, the hot

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<v Speaker 3>girl walk? If you're not, you'll learn about it in

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<v Speaker 3>the One More Thing podcast, which is not part of

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<v Speaker 3>the radio show. It's a separate thing. We do look

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<v Speaker 3>for it at Armstrong and Getty on demand.

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<v Speaker 2>Does everything need a name? Of course? Is the Hot

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<v Speaker 2>Girl Walk?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>So one final note on the conspiracy theory thing, which

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<v Speaker 1>I find fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>I had heard about this story, but I'd forgotten that.

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<v Speaker 1>Psychologist Leon Festinger coined the term cognitive dissonance dissonance rather

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<v Speaker 1>cognitive dissonance, discovered.

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<v Speaker 2>In the nineteen fifties.

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<v Speaker 1>He was studying a doomsday UFO cult that believed that

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<v Speaker 1>on December twenty first, nineteen fifty four, a great flood

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<v Speaker 1>would be unleashed upon the Midwest. Cult members believed that

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<v Speaker 1>they should avoid the effects by going to a mountaintop

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<v Speaker 1>to await a mothership that would arrive just in time

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<v Speaker 1>to whisk them way to safety.

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<v Speaker 2>Did that happen? So, yes, it did, so wait I

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<v Speaker 2>misread it. No it didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>So Festinger is studying this group, and he and his

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<v Speaker 1>colleagues joined the group, but the intention of recording their

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<v Speaker 1>reactions when the world did not end and no flo

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<v Speaker 1>was in sight. But when all of that happened, the

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<v Speaker 1>doomsdayers did not recant their beliefs. Rather, they doubled down

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<v Speaker 1>and re upped their evangelizing, rationalizing their apocalyptic error with

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<v Speaker 1>familiar excuses. For instance, they had miscalculated the doomsday date.

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<v Speaker 1>The date was not a warning. The date was a warning,

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<v Speaker 1>not a prophecy. Predictions were a test of members faith.

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<v Speaker 1>The prophecy was fulfilled physically but not as expected, or

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<v Speaker 1>the prophecy was fulfilled spiritually but not physically, And he

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<v Speaker 1>ended up writing a book When Prophecy Fails, and one

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<v Speaker 1>of his students wrote a two thousand and seven book,

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<v Speaker 1>this fairly famous, documenting thousands of experiments in which people

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<v Speaker 1>repeatedly spin doctored facts to fit their preconceived beliefs. Because

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<v Speaker 1>humans go to great lengths to avoid reasons to question

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<v Speaker 1>their deep certainties.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I always assume everything has an evolutionary reason, So

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder what that is.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder why we developed that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably primitive man our only deep certainties were about don't

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<v Speaker 1>mess with a bear, and fire hurts if you sit

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<v Speaker 1>in it and you wanted. That's bedrock knowledge and you

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<v Speaker 1>can't lose it.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I don't know, or.

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<v Speaker 3>Various beliefs about the world have always exist and we

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<v Speaker 3>all have to believe them together for cohesiveness of.

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<v Speaker 2>Our tribe. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>So when og the caveman gets gored by a master cole,

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<v Speaker 1>does the caveman go around saying, oh, you believe it

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<v Speaker 1>was just a straight on mast it on goring.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a fool, right, it was the Jews. Good question.

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<v Speaker 2>This final th boys so well? Your comments?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my.

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<v Speaker 2>Closure, Hell you all the show. That's so good.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's yours for final thoughts, Joe Getty, let's get a

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<v Speaker 3>final thought to wrap up the show for the day.

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<v Speaker 1>There is pressing the buttons in the control room. Michael Angelo.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael watch your final thought.

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<v Speaker 3>capitalism versus socialism.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, or call it the free market freedom

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