Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty and He Armstrong and Eddy.
Speaker 3: President Trumvin oounce in a post untruth Social Republican Center
Speaker 3: Lindsay Graham had passed away and added quote details and
Speaker 3: arrangements to follow.
Speaker 2: Wait, why are you in charge of the arrangement? He
Speaker 2: has a family, Lindsey would have wanted us to serve cheeseburgers.
Speaker 3: So Lindsey's sister is gonna be the senator until November anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it seems Yeah.
Speaker 1: I saw where Mitch McConnell put out a picture of
Speaker 1: himself in the hospital to prove he was still live
Speaker 1: in the internet.
Speaker 2: Immediately said AI. Yeah, it's a problem with AI. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I saw Lindsey Graham interviewed I don't know how many
Speaker 3: years ago where he said his sister is his greatest achievement.
Speaker 3: The fact that she's turned out good makes him happier
Speaker 3: than anything in his life, because man, both their parents died.
Speaker 3: He's nineteen, she's thirteen. He adopts her and takes care
Speaker 3: of her. That's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, saw a bunch of interviews from his small town
Speaker 1: that he grew up in and where he lived, and
Speaker 1: he would just go home all the time from DC.
Speaker 1: He was not one of those denizens of DC. He
Speaker 1: was home in South Carolina all the time. He would
Speaker 1: just go to the walmart and his ball cap and
Speaker 1: people say hey, Lindsay, you'd say, hey, how you doing,
Speaker 1: just acted like a regular guy when he's home. Really,
Speaker 1: it's really an interesting character.
Speaker 3: So socialism is in the news, and I hope that
Speaker 3: didn't make you roll your eyes or dive for the
Speaker 3: dial to turn it off to hear more talk about socialism.
Speaker 3: It's interesting that it's comeback.
Speaker 2: It's funny.
Speaker 3: My son and I were talking about this in the
Speaker 3: car just the other day, like how this has made
Speaker 3: a comeback. My dad explained to me when I was
Speaker 3: like six years old why it doesn't work, and I
Speaker 3: never doubted it once because it made perfect sense to me.
Speaker 3: If everybody gets equal stuff, nobody's gonna try. Okay, it
Speaker 3: makes sense. That was the end of the conversation. That's
Speaker 3: all I needed to hear because it.
Speaker 2: The rest is just detailed. That makes perfect sense. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it just all you gotta do is look around you.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: But collectivism or whatever you want to call it, Marxism
Speaker 3: or whatever it's it's it's coming back. Obviously I was
Speaker 3: on one of your fancy pants twitter feeds with smart
Speaker 3: people explaining where Rousseau came in on this whole conversation
Speaker 3: a good eighty years before Marx did his writing. Rosseau
Speaker 3: invented a lot of this stuff, the great French philosopher.
Speaker 3: Every premise of contemporary progressive ideology traces directly back to
Speaker 3: one man who had never met a noble savage that
Speaker 3: was his term, never raised a child, and never lived
Speaker 3: according to a single principle.
Speaker 2: He preached, just like all of these other people, Marx, so.
Speaker 3: Platner, all these people, all these people who like socialism,
Speaker 3: never had a job, never raised kids, usually never like
Speaker 3: lived any of the real life. It's amazing anyway. Rousseau's
Speaker 3: foundational claim a man is naturally good and civilization corrupts him,
Speaker 3: which sounds compassionate, but it's a most dangerous idea and
Speaker 3: the history of Western political thought, because if a man
Speaker 3: is naturally good, than every failure, every crime, every inequality
Speaker 3: is caused by the system, not by the individual responsibility. Evaporates,
Speaker 3: the oppressor is always external, the victim is always pure.
Speaker 3: This is the complete architecture of wokeism in one sentence,
Speaker 3: and it was written in seventeen fifty five.
Speaker 2: That's an excellent point. Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1: I disliked Rousseau since I first read him in college,
Speaker 1: but it hadn't occurred to me that, Yeah, that's like the.
Speaker 2: DNA of it. Yeah, it really is anyway.
Speaker 3: So Jonah Goldberg of The Dispatch took a break, thank god,
Speaker 3: in my mind, from everything Trump and got back to
Speaker 3: one of his greatest things he's ever written about is
Speaker 3: the free market and capitalism versus socialism and all that
Speaker 3: sort of stuff. He's written many books over the years,
Speaker 3: works for the Dispatch now, and he went on several
Speaker 3: screeds over the last couple of weeks with all these
Speaker 3: candidates winning as part of calling themselves democratic socialists and
Speaker 3: beating out the mainstream democrats. I'll read a little bit
Speaker 3: from this because I thought it was good. We hear
Speaker 3: a lot about how democratic socialism isn't Communism has no
Speaker 3: similarities to communism, and people who suggest it does are ignorant.
Speaker 3: Mccarthyites are both mainstream media pundits, academics and democratic politicians
Speaker 3: insists that that Democratic Socialism of the DSA, that's the
Speaker 3: actual party, Democrat Socialists of America, that's where Mundami came from. Right,
Speaker 3: has nothing to do with communism or revolutionary or violent
Speaker 3: communist struggles. Jenal Goldberg writes, I have no problem conceding
Speaker 3: the definitions of democratic socialism and communism are very different,
Speaker 3: and that there are sincere democratic socialists who aren't communists.
Speaker 3: Mlka Junior wasn't a communist. The founder of the DSA,
Speaker 3: Michael Harrington wasn't a communist either. But it's worth noting
Speaker 3: that within the Democratic Socialist Party there are a bunch
Speaker 3: of affiliated caucuses. They call them because they have different
Speaker 3: branches within their party that they call caucuses, and many
Speaker 3: of the caucuses are a validly and openly communist, and
Speaker 3: nobody in the DSA ever asked to explain them away.
Speaker 3: For instance, the Liberation Caucus is a self described Marxist
Speaker 3: Leninist Maoist caucus.
Speaker 2: This isn't quotes. This is from their website.
Speaker 3: Marxist Leninist MAOIs Caucus and Democratic Socialists of America. It
Speaker 3: defended the murder of the two Jews outside the Capitol
Speaker 3: back in twenty twenty five. DSA was forced to condemn
Speaker 3: the shooting, but did not condemn the Liberation Caucus. In
Speaker 3: their own party, the Liberation Caucus has a dedicated common
Speaker 3: Misconceptions about Maoism page.
Speaker 2: Wow Isn't that amazing? Wow?
Speaker 3: Mao, who killed more people than maybe any human in
Speaker 3: the history of the planet, certainly is in the running
Speaker 3: tens of millions. The Liberation Caucus recommended reading list does
Speaker 3: not include any titles promoting Swedish style social democracy, which
Speaker 3: is what your socialists are always talking about. Don't we
Speaker 3: much want to do what Sweden does?
Speaker 1: It's most Caitlin Collins on CNN is always trying to
Speaker 1: tell you that the DSA is.
Speaker 3: For instance, Right Goldberg writes, it's mostly a dog's breakfast
Speaker 3: of Marxist Leninism, Black national and of of course Maoist doctrine.
Speaker 3: And he has the links if you actually want to
Speaker 3: read about it. The Marxist Unity Group is another DSA
Speaker 3: faction that is officially in its party and not being
Speaker 3: you know, booted out or anything among it. Seven points
Speaker 3: of Unity is fight the Constitution, in which they openly
Speaker 3: say we want socialists to fight and overthrow the constitution.
Speaker 2: The Red Star Caucus.
Speaker 3: Yet another group explains that it's a Marxist Leninist caucus
Speaker 3: in the DSA. Our primary goal all this is int quote,
Speaker 3: our primary goal, the goal which informs all of our
Speaker 3: organizing work, is to aboblish abolished capitalism and ultimately to
Speaker 3: achieve communism.
Speaker 2: It's on their web page.
Speaker 3: Red Star conceives of itself as an ideological center in
Speaker 3: the DSA. Then there's the Communist Caucus, which rejects the
Speaker 3: notion that power can simply be taken via the ballot box.
Speaker 3: It rejects mere reform. Is incrementalism, not a solution. They
Speaker 3: insist that the DSA has a great potential promoting and
Speaker 3: unifying working class struggles, but they need to come at
Speaker 3: it much harder. We believe there are many avenues that
Speaker 3: feed into the democratic road to socialism. Our vision pushes
Speaker 3: further than social democracy and leaves behind authoritarian visions of
Speaker 3: socialism and the dust bin of history. Okay, so Jonah
Speaker 3: Goldberg ends with this. I have looked in vain to
Speaker 3: find evidence that any major media outlet has asked DSA
Speaker 3: candidates to repudiate these caucuses by name or even meaningfully
Speaker 3: engage with the fact that they are fully recognized caucuses
Speaker 3: and factions within their party. Nobody's having to speak for
Speaker 3: that at all. And he goes on to say, we
Speaker 3: can only go too far with the guilt by association arguments.
Speaker 3: But the simpler fact is that they are literally associated
Speaker 3: with these groups. They may not be members of these groups,
Speaker 3: they may even privately oppose them or work to minimize
Speaker 3: their influence within the party, but they are still a
Speaker 3: part of an organization that does not reject them. Maoists
Speaker 3: and communists are in their tent. If a Republican candidate
Speaker 3: was a member of some broad front that had openly
Speaker 3: Nazi and fascist organizations committed to overthrowing the count institution
Speaker 3: within it, I don't think we would hear a lot
Speaker 3: of well, actually, conservatism and fascism are very different things
Speaker 3: the way we hear Actually, democratic socialism and communism are
Speaker 3: not the same thing, right right. I thought that was
Speaker 3: really good and everybody should know that, and the mainstream media, yes,
Speaker 3: should make these DSA members who have won I don't
Speaker 3: know how many different primaries recently, including the one in
Speaker 3: Colorado and then that guy that's leading currently for the
Speaker 3: Senate nominee in Michigan. Make them openly say disavow those
Speaker 3: other parts of their group.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'd lie about it, but they at least need
Speaker 1: to be asked about it. I wonder if we all
Speaker 1: need to take a sacred vow. If you encounter any
Speaker 1: member of the mainstream media, ask them, why don't members
Speaker 1: of the DSA ever get asked about the openly communist
Speaker 1: members of the DSA, About the Maoists in the DSA,
Speaker 1: the people whose whole goal, according to their own website
Speaker 1: is to overthrow capitalism or constitution? Right? Yeah, yeah, why
Speaker 1: don't you ever ask them that? I would love to
Speaker 1: hear that question come from every man, woman and child
Speaker 1: with a conscience in America until it gets the job done.
Speaker 2: That was news to me.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that the DSA was full of people
Speaker 3: that hardcore openly. I assumed they had hardcore people like that,
Speaker 3: but not openly that hardcore and getting away with it.
Speaker 3: We're a maoist organization. Here are the myths about mao
Speaker 3: is your website?
Speaker 1: Oh Trump was at all effective in talking about this stuff,
Speaker 1: or or somebody could step out and take the lead
Speaker 1: on this. Just somebody with a platform big enough that
Speaker 1: folks wake up to it. There are plenty of folks
Speaker 1: on the conservative side of things who aren't fully aware
Speaker 1: of what the.
Speaker 2: DSA is, and it's troubling.
Speaker 3: Well, I was gonnaware that those groups were in there
Speaker 3: as open as open as they are about their goals.
Speaker 2: I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I knew there were openly communists that were at the
Speaker 1: heart of the movement, but I didn't know they had
Speaker 1: like separate factions of different sorts of communism and were
Speaker 1: recognized caucuses within the party and accepted, yeah, and accepted
Speaker 1: you couldn't.
Speaker 3: Be like part of the Republican Party obviously, and or
Speaker 3: run against mainstream Republicans and win and no, I'm a Nazi.
Speaker 3: I'm we're part of the Nazi Party. We believe in
Speaker 3: national socialism and the eradication of well, the Jews thing.
Speaker 3: You might have to be a Democrat. Then at that
Speaker 3: point you couldn't be a Republican.
Speaker 1: And then, as we were discussing earlier, the fact that
Speaker 1: the Democratic Socialists say openly, oh, we're here to supplant
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. We're going to shove their leadership out
Speaker 1: and take over the party in the name of socialism.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine the Republican parties saying the Nazis they
Speaker 1: keep saying they're going to take over the party, but
Speaker 1: we need them for our coalition.
Speaker 2: Sick.
Speaker 3: The thing I would like to know is how big
Speaker 3: these various groups are. How many people are in them?
Speaker 3: Is it tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of millions?
Speaker 1: I'd like to know, are they big enough and wily
Speaker 1: enough and brutal enough to take over the politics?
Speaker 2: Though? Of places?
Speaker 1: The answer is yeah, clearly, Like in New York and
Speaker 1: in Colorado and everywhere else they're running winning elections. Bernie Sanders,
Speaker 1: Graham Plattner, who you know, he's gone, but his ill
Speaker 1: will remain. So they're effective. Never mind the numbers, although
Speaker 1: I'm curious about the numbers. Two How effective are they?
Speaker 2: Very? Is the answer?
Speaker 3: The takeaway in Jonah's point, I think really was none
Speaker 3: of these candidates that say they are members of the
Speaker 3: DSA should get away with being on face the nation
Speaker 3: talking to Margaret Brennan without her making them disavow those
Speaker 3: other factions. Yeah, or even how can you be a
Speaker 3: member of a party that has avowed Maoists and communists
Speaker 3: in it?
Speaker 2: How can you even be in the party, let alone
Speaker 2: do some album. Maoists.
Speaker 3: Yeah, here are the myths about MAO What.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's crazy. These are crazy ass times, man, crazy
Speaker 2: as I think any weird fast.
Speaker 3: I'd say, you're right, elon more on the waist there,
Speaker 3: Armstrong and.
Speaker 4: Getty, and we would like to invest tremendously in the
Speaker 4: United States as opposed to charging a fee. And I
Speaker 4: like that actually, because I don't think anybody should be
Speaker 4: able to charge your fee for the UH, for the
Speaker 4: straight or for any other straight relationship in terms of
Speaker 4: other sections of the world. I don't think anybody should
Speaker 4: be really in that position. But we were doing it
Speaker 4: as a reimbursement. The Gulf States are going to invest
Speaker 4: a tremendous amount of money into the United States, and
Speaker 4: that was very satisfactory to me. I think it's actually
Speaker 4: much better.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's explain what's going on.
Speaker 3: Trump, off the top of his head, came up with
Speaker 3: the idea of a twenty percent fee for ships to
Speaker 3: go through the Strait yesterday. Then he realized, oh, I
Speaker 3: didn't realize. The Secretary Marco Rubio said that would be horrible.
Speaker 3: Just like three weeks ago, and everybody explained to him
Speaker 3: how it would be horrible and undoable and all kinds
Speaker 3: of different stuff. So he's backed off of that within
Speaker 3: twenty four hours. And now it's country's investing in the
Speaker 3: United States and they'll promise to and they may or
Speaker 3: may not, and you'll never know because I would even
Speaker 3: keep track of that.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 1: I'm picturing the cabinet going from probably in the early days, saying,
Speaker 1: Sweet Mother of God, he said, what to now. It's
Speaker 1: like a playing a board game. President said, we're going
Speaker 1: to be a confiscating all the airliners on Earth. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: why don't we explain that we're actually in favor of
Speaker 1: free air travel and we just wanted to ensure that
Speaker 1: pollution's held under control. Okay, great, yeah, I'll put that
Speaker 1: that out.
Speaker 2: Oh it's just ridiculous. A couple of World Cup notes. Yes,
Speaker 2: watch on the soccer.
Speaker 1: The greatest rivalry in sports on Earth, England v Argentina.
Speaker 1: Brief history they're playing to me, they've only played five
Speaker 1: games over one hundred and fifty years. Here's the five games.
Speaker 1: A match so violent it prompted the invention of the
Speaker 1: red card. Oh really, Yeah, that's England Argentina a goal
Speaker 1: so controversial it became known as the hand of God.
Speaker 1: That's when Maradonna punched the ball into the net for
Speaker 1: the winning goal for the World Cup, back before there
Speaker 1: were replays. Oh ref missed. It looked like a hitter
Speaker 1: from his angle. Oh okay, even though it was clearly
Speaker 1: punched it in with his hand. A goal so sublime
Speaker 1: it became known as the goal of the Century. Allegations
Speaker 1: of vile racism endless chance about the Falkland Islands. That's
Speaker 1: a little uncomfortable. They fought a war, Margaret Thatcher, anybody
Speaker 1: falk On Islands are part of Argentina. I couldn't have
Speaker 1: told you that for a million dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I fought a war over it.
Speaker 1: The ejection of soccer icon David Beckham and an effigy
Speaker 1: of a player hanged outside London pub. Uh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just it's both countries are crazy about the about the rivalry.
Speaker 3: I didn't know Beckham, who played for England, got kicked out.
Speaker 2: Of one of their matches. Wow.
Speaker 3: And if you're kind of a casual Ish fan, you've
Speaker 3: probably at least heard of Lionel Messi, considered maybe the
Speaker 3: greatest player of all time and he plays for Argentina currently.
Speaker 2: He's an old man now, but he'll be playing tomorrow.
Speaker 1: When the two sides met at London's Wembley Stadium in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nineteen sixty six, tempers freight so quickly that
Speaker 1: Argentina captain Antonio Rattin was sent off.
Speaker 2: After a series of vicious fouls.
Speaker 1: He refused to leave the pitch for eight minutes before
Speaker 1: ultimately taking a seat on the red carpet that had
Speaker 1: been exclusively reserved for the Queen.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: I didn't even get into the referee as a jew
Speaker 1: and he fixed the game controversy. Wow, that's emerged in
Speaker 1: the wake of Argentina Egypt.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: More on that to come. I carry and a bunch
Speaker 3: of other stuff. If you miss you get the podcast
Speaker 3: Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 2: The Governor of New York.
Speaker 3: Just signed whatever he assigned as governor, banning data center's
Speaker 3: existence in the state. First nation statewide ban of these
Speaker 3: AI data centers.
Speaker 2: That's wild. Ah, yeah, that's is that a thing?
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's even legal. And then my
Speaker 3: other breaking news. Trump is one of the wackiest people
Speaker 3: who've ever lived. Certainly the most powerful wacky person ever lived.
Speaker 3: There will no longer be a twenty percent toll on
Speaker 3: the straight of horn moves. Less than twenty four hours
Speaker 3: after he imposed a twenty percent toll and sent the
Speaker 3: markets going in everybody talking and articles.
Speaker 2: Written here and there. Well, you got to write your
Speaker 2: articles fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll take care of that tomorrow, boss, No, no,
Speaker 1: right today. Boy, So I found this discouragingly believable. The
Speaker 1: match in the World Cup between Argentina and Egypt was
Speaker 1: one for the ages.
Speaker 2: I've got it on the dvr. I haven't watched. I'll
Speaker 2: watched the second half.
Speaker 3: Probably that's Argentina Egypt, and then the next one. Who
Speaker 3: did they beat the most recently? That was really good too.
Speaker 3: They fell behind early.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway about the Egypt though, you gotta watch that
Speaker 1: last ten minutes.
Speaker 2: It's incredible.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll do the thrillerund The field was also a
Speaker 1: prelude to something much bigger and much darker. Within an
Speaker 1: hours of the final whistle, and anti Semitic conspiracy theory
Speaker 1: was born. The idea began galloping across the Internet that
Speaker 1: a cabal including Benjamin Netanya, who the Masade Lionel Messi,
Speaker 1: Argentine President Xavier Milat and the FIFA had conspired to
Speaker 1: rig the game for the Argentine team. Now, Jack, there
Speaker 1: was evidence, I'm just asking questions, all right. The evidence
Speaker 1: consisted of nothing more than photos of Messi posing with
Speaker 1: Israeli officials and praying at the Western Wall more than
Speaker 1: a decade ago, plus a few pictures of Milay with
Speaker 1: Net and Yahoo. Even among the conspiratorially minded, this was
Speaker 1: pretty thin stuff, right, It's Ashley Rinsberg. I assume Messi
Speaker 1: is Catholic or he's not Jewish?
Speaker 2: Are he?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Right? Right?
Speaker 1: But what the theory lacked was a FIFA component, something
Speaker 1: that would link the nebulous Israel Argentina connection of the
Speaker 1: game itself. So just like that one was invented, a
Speaker 1: baseless claim that the game's referee, Francois Lexeitier la Texier,
Speaker 1: was a Jewish or all the signs of a classic
Speaker 1: digital influence operation, but subtly different, just a handful of
Speaker 1: edits on Wikipedia, leverage structure and chronic vulnerabilities in our
Speaker 1: information ecosystem to fabricate truth.
Speaker 2: In broad daylight.
Speaker 1: This guy's not Jewish at all, But the Internet believed
Speaker 1: he us for a while, and this conspiracy theory went wild,
Speaker 1: always the freaking Jews. I am so sorry my Jewish friends. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it was bunk, which brings us to utterly soulless, evil
Speaker 1: grifter and prayer on the weak minded.
Speaker 2: At candae Ollens, you.
Speaker 5: Can spend a billion dollars in influencers because this is
Speaker 5: all becoming increasingly inexplicable. You are asking me to be
Speaker 5: an idiot, actually, and I cannot do that for you.
Speaker 5: Someone once commented beneath this show that if the situations
Speaker 5: were reversed and there were this many verifiable lies that
Speaker 5: Charlie told regarding the murder or assassination of his wife,
Speaker 5: Charlie would be in prison awaiting trial. And I actually
Speaker 5: agree with that assessment. We are way beyond coincidence. This
Speaker 5: is now a full blown conspiracy.
Speaker 2: So that's our grift now.
Speaker 1: And she's making lots and lots of money, and it's
Speaker 1: absolutely evil, mining gold from the corpse of her quote
Speaker 1: unquote friend and his grieving widow and little children with
Speaker 1: her bizarre ass theories. I found this super interesting. Michael
Speaker 1: Schermer wrote a book about conspiracy theories, cleverly titled Where
Speaker 1: is it else there's something like conspiracy, Oh, conspiracy. Why
Speaker 1: the rational believe the irrational in twenty twenty two, I
Speaker 1: don't think I bought that. I think I will though,
Speaker 1: And he starts with the Charlie kirk thing and how
Speaker 1: in the preliminary hearings about the evidentiary hearings for Tyler Robinson,
Speaker 1: the guy who shot Charlie kirk In's throat, and also
Speaker 1: actually the evidence is overwhelming. For example, he confessed to
Speaker 1: the crime by text to his transgender room mate, both
Speaker 1: by text and then in person. His own parents recognized
Speaker 1: him from released images that the rifle he used match
Speaker 1: that of his grandfather. Robinson's DNA was found on the
Speaker 1: rifles trigger, a spent cartridge casing, two on spent cartridges,
Speaker 1: and the talel used to wrap the rifle. Surveillance footage
Speaker 1: showed Robinson jumping down from the rooftop where the federal
Speaker 1: shot appeared to have been taken, and bullet cartridges recovered
Speaker 1: at the scene featured engravings made with a tool found
Speaker 1: in Robinson's bedroom, along with the shellcasing engraved test shot.
Speaker 1: And this is not even an exhaustive list.
Speaker 3: No, because he had the testimony from the girlfriend, boyfriend
Speaker 3: roommate about the engraving on the well of the confession.
Speaker 3: That's a good place to start. But then also that
Speaker 3: Robinson had done the engraving and he knew all about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And he points out that this is not
Speaker 1: an exhaustive list, and you might assume that given all this,
Speaker 1: the vicious conspiracy theories sparked by Kirk's assassination, which have
Speaker 1: infected our society ever since, would have faded, But you
Speaker 1: would be wrong. Then he goes into some of the
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories, turning point USA Erica Kirk in the massad
Speaker 1: and or Israel was involved in the murder. Primary purveyor
Speaker 1: of this conspiracy theory is the soulless candasoans or to
Speaker 1: the CIA program Robinson as part of a mind control
Speaker 1: mission that also apparently roped in Charles Manson at one point.
Speaker 1: Or three false flag deep state inside job, etc. Or
Speaker 1: four staged hoax sigh up our fake death. All of
Speaker 1: these are kicking around the internet, and mister Shermer believes
Speaker 1: that it all has to do with what we've discussed
Speaker 1: a couple of times already. Proportionality bias, a well documented
Speaker 1: concept in the study of conspiracy theories. It kicks in
Speaker 1: when there's an imbalanced or mismatch between the size or
Speaker 1: importance of an event and that of its purported cause.
Speaker 1: And he points out the assassination of Well, actually, he
Speaker 1: points out first that the Holocaust was a giant horror
Speaker 1: perpetrated by a giant, horrible regime, and so for most
Speaker 1: of history there haven't been conspiracy theories about that because
Speaker 1: there was congruence between the proportions.
Speaker 2: But like John F.
Speaker 1: Kennedy's assassination by a lone loser is way out of proportion.
Speaker 2: So it went crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'd supposed to a certain extent the idea
Speaker 3: that twenty one Saudi's could take planes and bring down
Speaker 3: two biggest buildings in the whole country.
Speaker 2: That doesn't. That's not very proportional either.
Speaker 1: Well done, sir. That's his key example that he's working
Speaker 1: his way toward Jackie Kennedy, for example, upon learning that
Speaker 1: Oswald was the assassin, said.
Speaker 2: Of her husband, and I, Dad, I didn't remember hearing
Speaker 2: this quote. Quote.
Speaker 1: He didn't even have the satisfaction of being killed for
Speaker 1: civil rights. It had to be some silly little communist.
Speaker 1: Princess Diana they mentioned, but consider nine to eleven. How
Speaker 1: could nineteen guys with box cutters, you know, wonder nine
Speaker 1: eleven truthers pull off the biggest terrorist attack in US history.
Speaker 1: There must must have been other forces at work. They
Speaker 1: insist an inside job by the Bush administration, etc. We've
Speaker 1: all heard the stories many times, but it's all about
Speaker 1: proportionality bias.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to read the one quote I got
Speaker 3: here from Alan Moore, who I don't really know what
Speaker 3: you say. He's a really, really big deal as a writer.
Speaker 3: The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is
Speaker 3: that conspiracy theorists believe in a conspiracy because that is
Speaker 3: more comforting the truth of the world. The truth of
Speaker 3: the world is that it's actually chaotic. The truth is
Speaker 3: far more frightening. Nobody's in control. The world is rudderless.
Speaker 3: Some people can't handle the fact that the world is rudderless.
Speaker 3: I loved your Lindsey Graham illustration at that point.
Speaker 2: Ah, but that was good. I have no memory of it.
Speaker 1: No, he said, it's it's it's less scary, less scary
Speaker 1: to believe.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, yeah, yeah, it's way better to believe the
Speaker 3: Russians killed Lindsey Graham than the idea that your aorta
Speaker 3: could blow up today.
Speaker 2: Just out of nowhere, like Lindsay Grahams did. It's a
Speaker 2: thousand to one on the scary meter. Yeah, he Yeah.
Speaker 1: David Harsanyi in the New York Post about the same thing,
Speaker 1: and he says, there is no way, given what has
Speaker 1: become clear in court, that anybody could doubt that this
Speaker 1: guy was the killer. And like Candace Owens, and I
Speaker 1: almost hurt to hate to even mention her, although she
Speaker 1: has such a giant platform, it doesn't matter. She's claiming,
Speaker 1: there's no way he was shot with a thirty odd
Speaker 1: six rifle thirty out six rifle bullet. More likely he
Speaker 1: was killed by an exploding microphone or some other device
Speaker 1: you know, that was wielded by some silent assassin in
Speaker 1: the front row or whatever.
Speaker 3: So the original guy who is doing the uh Q
Speaker 3: stuff que on stuff that he had the website and
Speaker 3: he is what was he claiming? I work in the
Speaker 3: CIA and I know all this stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really deep in intelligence.
Speaker 3: He was just jerking people around for his own I
Speaker 3: get that. And then at some point when he realized,
Speaker 3: you know, people are getting hurt or being killed, or
Speaker 3: this is causing trouble. He came forward and said, yeah,
Speaker 3: I was just jerking people are Uh, this is a
Speaker 3: bunch of crap. I don't understand those who profit in that.
Speaker 1: It's worth mentioning explain that away as yeah, right, sure,
Speaker 1: come on, see, but I get him because I like
Speaker 1: jerking people around too.
Speaker 2: It's fun.
Speaker 3: But at the point that you got some grieving widow
Speaker 3: crying in her little kids because people they have to
Speaker 3: have they've had to move, because there are death threats
Speaker 3: because they think she works for the Jews, then it's
Speaker 3: not so fun anymore.
Speaker 2: So, I mean you perpetuate it.
Speaker 1: You've got to be full on evil to dol for cash. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's incredible. I agree completely. I'd like this from Harsanyi
Speaker 1: to wrap up the conversation. Uh. Sure, some genuinely naive
Speaker 1: listeners may have been gulled into falling for Owen's manic nonsense,
Speaker 1: and sure the trial might suck some.
Speaker 2: Of them a cobber entertainment out of the case.
Speaker 1: But conspiracists often under the impression of just asking questions
Speaker 1: is a virtue in and of itself. They rarely get
Speaker 1: the facts in the way a conspiracy theory is a
Speaker 1: never ending string of half truth threaded together with to
Speaker 1: create a narrative that's impossible to disprove, and conspiracy theories
Speaker 1: only grow with every denial, and when they can no
Speaker 1: longer grow, the conspiracist just moves on to the next
Speaker 1: enticing topic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what is going on with Why for most
Speaker 3: of us can we just accept that the world is
Speaker 3: random and chaotic and sometimes one nut job can change
Speaker 3: world history?
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I had a conversation with one of my kids the
Speaker 1: other day about anxiety and anxiety medications and how widespread
Speaker 1: it is and what it is in the world, and
Speaker 1: that sort of thing, and I made the remark I've
Speaker 1: made many times, I'm pleasantly surprised when people's minds work correctly,
Speaker 1: including my own. Why some people have that weakness, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't want to judge them because I find it
Speaker 1: more satisfying, or I would prefer to be able to
Speaker 1: help them slash straighten them out, although if they're too
Speaker 1: far down that road, I think they're too far gone.
Speaker 1: But Harsani finally writes, until the rest of us forcefully
Speaker 1: stigmatize mock and explicitly reject the people who spread this garbage.
Speaker 1: They will persist. Consider them stigmatized. Mocks, didn't rect mock,
Speaker 1: didn't reject it around here.
Speaker 3: Well, if you like in your personal life though, I
Speaker 3: don't mean the radio show in your personal life, if
Speaker 3: you confront somebody on this stuff, do they just.
Speaker 2: Do you straighten them out? Or did they just cut
Speaker 2: you off so hard? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well, number one, that's likely and number two, as David
Speaker 1: Harshani put it, it's a string of half truths that
Speaker 1: are impossible to falsify.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, he was married to the daughter of this
Speaker 3: company who's CFO.
Speaker 2: That's what Tucker does.
Speaker 1: He's the best, that he is the best at that
Speaker 1: is that a coincidence?
Speaker 2: And what company did his dad work for? Halliburden?
Speaker 3: Right, you know that sort of thing. Okay, how do
Speaker 3: you falsify? You can't, which is what they got going for.
Speaker 1: The referee isn't Jewish, and even if he were, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't matter. Sweet mother of God people, Oh my god,
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Speaker 1: So one final note on the conspiracy theory thing, which
Speaker 1: I find fascinating.
Speaker 2: I had heard about this story, but I'd forgotten that.
Speaker 1: Psychologist Leon Festinger coined the term cognitive dissonance dissonance rather
Speaker 1: cognitive dissonance, discovered.
Speaker 2: In the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 1: He was studying a doomsday UFO cult that believed that
Speaker 1: on December twenty first, nineteen fifty four, a great flood
Speaker 1: would be unleashed upon the Midwest. Cult members believed that
Speaker 1: they should avoid the effects by going to a mountaintop
Speaker 1: to await a mothership that would arrive just in time
Speaker 1: to whisk them way to safety.
Speaker 2: Did that happen? So, yes, it did, so wait I
Speaker 2: misread it. No it didn't.
Speaker 1: So Festinger is studying this group, and he and his
Speaker 1: colleagues joined the group, but the intention of recording their
Speaker 1: reactions when the world did not end and no flo
Speaker 1: was in sight. But when all of that happened, the
Speaker 1: doomsdayers did not recant their beliefs. Rather, they doubled down
Speaker 1: and re upped their evangelizing, rationalizing their apocalyptic error with
Speaker 1: familiar excuses. For instance, they had miscalculated the doomsday date.
Speaker 1: The date was not a warning. The date was a warning,
Speaker 1: not a prophecy. Predictions were a test of members faith.
Speaker 1: The prophecy was fulfilled physically but not as expected, or
Speaker 1: the prophecy was fulfilled spiritually but not physically, And he
Speaker 1: ended up writing a book When Prophecy Fails, and one
Speaker 1: of his students wrote a two thousand and seven book,
Speaker 1: this fairly famous, documenting thousands of experiments in which people
Speaker 1: repeatedly spin doctored facts to fit their preconceived beliefs. Because
Speaker 1: humans go to great lengths to avoid reasons to question
Speaker 1: their deep certainties.
Speaker 3: Now, I always assume everything has an evolutionary reason, So
Speaker 3: I wonder what that is.
Speaker 2: I wonder why we developed that way.
Speaker 1: Probably primitive man our only deep certainties were about don't
Speaker 1: mess with a bear, and fire hurts if you sit
Speaker 1: in it and you wanted. That's bedrock knowledge and you
Speaker 1: can't lose it.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, or.
Speaker 3: Various beliefs about the world have always exist and we
Speaker 3: all have to believe them together for cohesiveness of.
Speaker 2: Our tribe. I don't know.
Speaker 1: So when og the caveman gets gored by a master cole,
Speaker 1: does the caveman go around saying, oh, you believe it
Speaker 1: was just a straight on mast it on goring.
Speaker 2: You're a fool, right, it was the Jews. Good question.
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Speaker 1: Oh my.
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