WEBVTT - Jets Assistant GM Rex Hogan Talks Free Agency & Draft (3/11) 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:06.200 We were presented by went Beat Betty is a team sport, 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:08.639 but together at win Bett Eric Ellen here at the 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:13.120 NFL Scouting combine with assistant GM rex Hogan. Great sin 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:16.560 you you know what I was thinking about before Brady 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:20.599 Quinn was before me in the security line. He's a 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.400 guy that you have had a lot of experience with 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:26.000 going back to your days and Notre da Yah had 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.240 I ran into Brady here earlier this week, so it's 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:32.279 good catching up with him. We're staying in constant not 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:36.080 constant communication, but randomly throughout the year we had bouncing 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:38.440 football in life off each other. I've known him since 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:40.440 he was a high school player and recruiting him in 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:44.320 to Notre Dame former Jet too for a stint. How 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:47.959 do you balance this because everybody in the NFL it's 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:50.839 a small circle. When you've been around as long as 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:53.440 you have and there's a lot of people want to 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:55.760 get in your ears. So how do you keep the 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:59.120 train moving? So to speak? Yeah, and just like you said, 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:01.840 to keep the train moving, it's there's times where guys 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:03.880 will say, hey, man, can I grab five ten minutes? Yeah, 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:05.840 walk with me. So it'll be a walk from the 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:08.520 hotel over to the stadium, or I'll have guys meet 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:10.600 me outside the stadium and I'll do the walk with 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:14.040 him and catch up that way. So there's constant requests 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:19.720 man between between agents and other different companies and you know, 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:23.479 everything everything football related. Somebody wants a chance to sit 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:25.000 down and talk to you, and there's a lot of 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:27.520 guys who are trying to get into football, and so 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:30.679 you just take time, make time for people and you know, 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:33.360 cultivate relationships and then hopefully gets some sleep when you 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:37.160 get back in New Jersey exactly. Hey, so I wanted 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:39.960 to ask you, and I do every year, but how 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:43.160 do you guys balance this in terms of free agency? 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:47.760 Legal temporary period starts March fourteens. Free agency commences March sixteenth. 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:51.520 But you're here watching all these prospects as well, so 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:53.680 you gotta have a couple of balls up in there 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.080 at the same time. Yeah, we're We're really fortunate to 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:59.640 have a and just incredible group of support staff and 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.560 people who work with this with you know, Christina wedding 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:05.560 dance by Oski and how they coordinate everything for us 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:09.639 from the personnel operations aspect. So we are constantly jumping 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:13.880 from going from free agency, from pro to college and 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:17.040 so you're wearing different hats, and we've got great leadership 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.040 and and Greg neshma is our pro director and Chad 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:22.880 Alexander is our director of player personnel, and then you've 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:24.960 got Phil Savage and John Carr. I mean, I can 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:26.919 go on and on about the whole group and and 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:29.080 you know, highlight each one of them individually and what 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:31.720 they do and what they bring. So it helps me 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:34.160 and Joe obviously to have that kind of support system 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.880 as a group and how we can bounce from different 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:41.520 aspect of different aspects, knowing that they've got everything coordinated 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:43.920 and ready for us, so we can just hop in 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:46.000 the in the seat and we're ready for the next meeting. 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:48.000 Where do you have to be in terms of free 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:51.640 agency before coming here, because you guys were having staff 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:55.840 meetings before the party for Indianapolis. Yeah, so you know, 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.720 just everybody getting on the same page in terms of 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:00.960 how we want to address free agency. You know, how 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.760 we how we want to you know, appropriate the the 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:06.920 amount of capital that we have, you know, financially, and 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.080 you know, identify what's the strength of free agency, what's 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:12.560 the strength of the draft, and then you balance both 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:15.880 those and then you kind of attack it appropriately in 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:18.760 terms of where the value is in between each and 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:20.680 and the balance of each. Like you're talking about, you 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.960 basically have to have multiple plans of attack because you 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:27.600 can have a wish list, right, but until you get there, 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:31.320 you don't know how Actually those dominoes are gonna fall. Yeah, yeah, 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:35.080 because the franchise tag, that's that's the trump card, right yeah, 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.840 And that's base in the hole for teams, and once 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.720 they put that down, it changes everything. There's a domino 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:42.760 effect for it because all of a sudden, you might 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:44.839 have that guy up there, they get the franchise tag 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:46.520 on him. It's like, all right, we gotta move to 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.200 the next I wanted to ask you something that Joe 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:53.000 said way back when in January said, I think you're 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:57.600 constantly evolving. There's some core philosophies that you don't change, 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:59.600 but you have to be open to seeing how things 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:04.120 are and maybe adopting certain principles. Can you elaborate a 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:06.640 little bit on that, Yeah, I think you look at 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:08.600 the two teams that were in the Super Bowl this 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.560 year and uh, you know, you know the jokes about 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.760 you know, the rams and don't worry about picks and 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:16.680 and how they've attacked it and how they chose to 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.080 build it. And then do you look at the Bengals 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:21.760 and and how they've they built their roster and how 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:24.159 they built their team and we're able to have success 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:26.640 and get to the point and with a quick turnaround 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:30.039 over two years. You know, they've got some incredible skill players. 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.240 You know, Joe Burrow is playing at a very high level, 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.960 and they did some things defensively through free agency and 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:39.919 upgraded their team quickly. So I think we've talked about 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:41.960 that and you know, as a group and our different 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:45.760 ideas and concepts and philosophies of how do we how 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:47.520 do we try and get to that level? You know, 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:49.760 what are these teams doing? What what can we take 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:51.600 from what they've done, what we can learn, what can 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.120 we learn and then how to you know, change our 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:56.400 philosophy and or adapt and improve. What do you think 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:59.000 of the outcomes of the playoffs? Not the Rams being 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:03.640 Super Bowl champion or the way those two teams got there, 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:08.919 which you just talked about, but how close everything was 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:12.400 amongst the group of teams. When you're seeing those outcomes 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.600 coming down to either over time or the last two 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:17.440 or three minutes of the game. What does that say 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.440 about where the NFL is right now? Yeah, I think 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:24.000 it speaks volumes of how the game is transitioning to 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:27.760 just such offensive explosions, right. I mean that there's so 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.040 many players coming in from the college level. Now of 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.719 the teams are playing like almost glorified seven on seven. 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:37.080 There's so many receivers who are so skilled. There's quarterbacks 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:40.440 that are so skilled coming to the NFL, and it's 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.039 transitioning over you know, you see teams running those r 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.480 p O s and you know, it's taking some spread 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:48.839 concepts from college and building it in and blending it 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:52.000 in with the pro game, and so it those guys 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.000 have taken off. I mean you watch that, uh you 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:57.440 know the Bills in the in the Chiefs game. That's 0:05:57.480 --> 0:05:59.159 gonna be one of the most entertaining games, if not 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:01.960 the most entertaining game of all time. So wow, Yeah, 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:06.040 I'd have to agree. Um, people in Buffalo obviously upset 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.360 about that, and the Kansas City had it happened to them. 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:10.080 They get a big lead and they were not able 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:14.000 to hold onto it today forementioned. Uh, Joey Burrow, I 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.160 thought it was interesting something that Robert Tellis said when 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.120 he addressed the media this week, saying, hey, you can 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:21.480 do a lot of things to help the young quarterback 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:24.680 in that includes addressing needs on the defensive side of 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.279 the ball. Yeah, and the Rams did that too, you know, 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:30.560 making some significant moves and trades and and going out 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.000 and getting von Miller. Is that that final piece for 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:35.960 a defense to to add pressure, and you know they 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.240 and with match with Aaron Donald and the rest of 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.719 that front. You know, when it came time to for 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:42.680 the to put it on the defensive back and win 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:46.000 the game, the stars played like stars and made it happen. 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.360 How much better her spot are you guys in this 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:52.760 year that maybe last year at this time, just in 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:58.640 terms of scheme, familiarity, familiarity with the coaching staffs, the likes, 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:02.839 the dislikes and communications batters. Yeah, it's it's been a significant, 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.440 you know change. You know, you go from you know, 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:08.880 different defensive and offensive philosophies from the previous staff and 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.520 and then so you're you're learning, you're starting over and 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.160 just getting that full season under your belt and just 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:17.440 knowing knowing the coaches and and hearing their what their 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:20.600 thoughts are about players and how they evaluate and their 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:23.720 ideas of you know, what we're doing schematically and concepts. 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.640 We're all on the same page and so we continue 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:28.760 to grow as a player of personnel staff because of 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:31.120 the meetings from them, so we can see it through 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.520 their eyes of what they want and it just helps 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.240 us build the team that that they want and that 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:39.760 we want together. You guys drafted very talented players. We 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.040 know that, but what did you think about the way 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:46.360 Robert Sala and his staff went about developing them When 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.760 we talk about this success of that two thousand one 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.360 draft class, Yeah, we loved what they did with it, man, 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:55.000 And that's what we talked about entering is like, hey, 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.360 we know we're gonna be a super young team and 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.760 the biggest key is going to be developing these young 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:02.280 guys us and that there's gonna be growing pains. And 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:06.080 everybody understood that and just kept working and kept building 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:09.960 towards you know, a seventeen games. 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Yeah, 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:00.840 I mean, I think especially with the that Zach played 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.720 and you can see him, you know, trending up after 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:06.000 the after the injury, and how the game slowed down 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.360 for him, and you know he's protecting the ball and 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:10.800 getting the ball out quickly and went over a hundred 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:14.960 and sixty passes without an interception. So just for him specifically. 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:17.560 It was great to see that improvement, but you saw 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:20.720 the confidence and the team grow, especially with a game 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:24.679 like that against reigning world champions and Tom Brady, and 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.480 you know, we went all in for it. We went 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:30.840 all into to get it and finish it, and uh, 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.400 we learned from it. We learned as a staff, we learned, 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:35.560 our coaching staff learned. I think we learned as an 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:39.200 organization that you know, Robert's gonna go like he says 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.240 he does, and it just we're gonna go all in, 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:43.880 go after it. I talked to Phil Savage about that 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:48.439 game specifically, and he said, it's fifty eight minutes we played, 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:52.000 or maybe fifty nine plus minutes of where we are going. 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.920 That's exactly right. That's a great description, Uh Phil, you 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:57.960 know because we we talked about that as a staff, 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.400 and you know, we have our our weekly up ups 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.239 after the game and we're like, that was an exposure 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:05.800 of what we we can be as a team in 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:09.200 two and moving forward. What do you think about the 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:14.040 financial flexibility paired with the draft capital as you guys 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:18.360 approach these critical couple of months, because I think it's 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:20.800 maybe a little bit under fifty million if it keeps 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.760 this four and ten overall selections, it's gonna be less 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:26.839 than that, will be less than forty million, but obviously 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.840 you have some room to maneuver. Yeah. Yeah, we feel 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:33.040 really good about that. And you know, we've we constantly 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:35.559 as a as a player personnel staff, have to look 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.440 towards the future, and you know, we've got to build 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:40.320 in the moment, but we also have to prepare for 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.360 tomorrow too, and so we've done that, like like you 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:47.280 describe with what we have, the the financial flexibility, with 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:49.800 the cat flexibility and the way we've managed it, and 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:52.480 then the way we've accumulate a draft capital and the 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:54.440 number of picks that we have and and their high 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:58.360 picks and they they they're very valuable to us as 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:00.480 an organization to be able to get some young guys 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.200 with high end talent who love football, who love the 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.800 game and are passionate about it, and gonna add to 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:09.000 the locker room and and hopefully increase the victories. You've 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.080 been around a long time, have you ever been in 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:13.719 this situation in this seat where you do have the 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.520 not only the two top ten, but the four in 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:20.400 the top thirty eight for the Jets, franchise. It's I 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.200 think the only third time since nineteen seventy when you 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:27.160 have four picks in the top forty. Yeah. No, I'm 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:29.880 eighteen years in the league and we've never I've never 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:31.800 been a part of a draft where we've had this 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.839 amount of capital at this type of high end, haven't. 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:36.640 I haven't even been on staff where we've had two 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:40.040 top ten picks. But it'll be fun, man. We can 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:42.480 We've got so many directions we can go and and 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:44.640 add to the team. Yeah. But it's that's something that 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.440 has Joe's talked about and I'm sure you guys talked 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:50.680 about as his staff, is that you can go in 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.920 different directions. Right, If you want to use that draft 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:57.720 capital and go get a veteran player, you can do that. 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:01.120 If you want to sit tight, you gotta have confidence 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.400 where you guys are as his staff, especially after what 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.440 you did in the draft last year. Joe said, potentially 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:10.720 you get four dynamic players with those first four picks. Yeah, 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:12.720 you always want to get starters out of your first 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.800 and second round picks, and with those four and and 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.760 how high up they are, we feel really good about it. 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:23.559 Um so do you and Joe d uh what's your 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:28.959 sense with him here entering Draft three? You guys so 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:32.520 tight develop a relationship long before he hired you his 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.840 assistant d M. But kind of like where is his 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:38.600 space right now? You know, Joe kind of stays the 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:42.800 same man. He's steady. It just he's got this unwavering 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:46.200 calmness about him of the process that that he's learned 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.640 during his time in the NFL, from from the Ravens 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.360 to his brief stint in Chicago and then transition into 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.520 the Eagles and how successful they were with you know, 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:58.440 he's got three super Bowl rings and an understanding of 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:01.120 he's taking a little bit of each one of the 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:05.000 places that he's been and had success and adjusted it. 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:06.719 And like you said, you know, you always have to 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.240 keep being able to be flexible with your philosophy and 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.240 change as the league has and we're going to continue 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.160 to do it. Can we go back to the two 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:16.240 thousand twenty one draft class just a little bit because 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:17.880 I want to ask you about a couple of guys 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:21.680 who didn't receive a lot of attention, but I know 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:23.760 you guys have high hopes for and then times and 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:27.720 Nosrel Dean and Jamie Sherwood Unfortunately Sherwood went down with 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.439 the achilles. But what do you think about those guys 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:32.880 because I think they're kind of overlooked when we think 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:36.640 externally as far as the linebacker position is concerned. Yeah, 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:39.200 because you know, the changes of the of the NFL, 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:42.560 like we discussed from a passing standpoint of you need 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:46.000 linebackers who can play in space and who have who 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.640 have size and speed and length. And they're both converted 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:52.960 safeties who were bigger body players in college and had 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.280 showed the ability to play in space, and they have 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:57.920 the physical traits and the mental traits for what we 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:01.240 want for linebacker. And I think they're gonna both gonna 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:05.080 continue to ascend just with time on task. Yeah, you know, 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.880 didn't that's terrible what happened to Sherwood with with the achilles, 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.920 but you know he's been in there. I've actually saw 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.120 both those two guys this past week and in the 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:17.000 weight room there and training, and their bodies are growing 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:20.840 and maturing. And they're both too two year old guys 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:24.080 who's who are going to continue to physically develop and 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:27.760 they're looking more and more physically like NFL linebackers now. 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:31.080 Like that, Zack Wilson said this offseason is gonna put 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.680 on a couple of pounds that's natural. During year two, 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.120 I want to ask you about those four workies at 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:39.200 the top of the draft last year. Not only maybe 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.440 you can touch upon what they bring to the field, 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:45.560 but also the bond they seemingly had developed and they 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:50.640 also have natural leadership qualities. And beyond Wilson, I'm talking 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.320 about Elijah Vera Tucker. Do you get Elijah more? Five 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:57.280 touchdowns and eleven games. Michael Carter leads you guys in rushing. 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:01.160 He never went down first tackle, no doubt. I mean, 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:03.880 he either he either breaks a tackle or makes somebody miss. 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:05.760 That's a good combination to have for a running back. 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.000 And and just like you saying, just speaking to to 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.480 Michael specifically, he's he's got a ton of charisma and 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:14.280 personality that I'm sure you guys have seen through throughout 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:18.000 the interview process. He's people like are naturally drawn to 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:22.720 him because he's so outgoing and his personality is is 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:25.920 so he's on all the time, and he brings that 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.880 energy to the to the backfield, and that personality kind 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:31.320 of bleeds into his play. Like guys get fired up 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:34.480 watching watching him on the field and break tackles and 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:37.840 make people miss and finish him plays and kid gets 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:39.400 up and he's got a huge smile on his face 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.680 after everyone. So really, I mean we thought he was 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:45.680 trending towards it, you know, thousand plus all purpose yards 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:49.040 before the injury and hated it happened to him. Um, 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.320 But just moving back up with Elijah. The Joe called 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.960 Michael Carter the other day, young m c You like that, Yeah, 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.200 I like to We'll throw back to the rap game. 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:02.680 Um yeah that Yeah. Moving on to Elijah, He's he's 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.160 another one man personality wise that there. He's a live 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.840 wire two and guys are naturally drawn to him. And 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.320 I'm sure you've heard the documented stories about, you know, 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.160 his relationship with A. J. Brown and DK Metcalf and 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:15.680 how tight that group was in room was and like 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.880 he was kind of the dude, like they're all all 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:23.080 followed the like you you felt that early on in 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.080 the whole process when he hit the field from rookie 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.440 minicamp to O T A S. He's got this. He's 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:29.320 got a vet presence to him, kind of an old 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:33.160 soul mentality for a twenty two year old kid and 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.520 who's just got a ton of talent. He can play outside, 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:39.000 he can play inside, and you can do the gadget 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:42.320 stuff with him that that we've done. Um, he's awesome. 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:44.640 And then you I'm moving to a v T, you know, 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:47.480 making a transition from college tackle to to guard, and 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:50.160 he had played some guard early on. We saw it 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.400 and felt like that this guy's got gonna be a 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:55.400 high level, starting level player with you know, potential for 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.240 honors down the road. He's a little more quiet and 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:00.960 reserved out of the group in terms of personality wise, 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:04.480 but he's he's always locked in. He's always business and 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:06.800 and he comes ready and he's gonna play through a 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:10.679 little small bumps and injuries and pushed through. I like. 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.480 I like how they've developed like a strong bond that 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:17.920 it's extends the field. It's off the field. You can 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:21.280 see it. Yeah, Actually ran into a couple of those 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:23.040 guys at the out of NFL p A. They were 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.520 out doing you know, some rookie stuff and and signing 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:27.600 some cards, and they were in the same hotel the 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.639 NFL play PA players were, And so you see it. 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:34.280 It's like the zach and and E and MC walking together. 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.959 Like the three amigos coming through the hotel and they 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.120 had they were all beaming at smiles on their face 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:41.640 and it's great to see them. So I know they're 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:44.440 getting together as a group. You know, the offensive skill 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.600 guys and and a lot of the offensive players in general, 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:50.399 whether it's offensive line trying to get together, but specifically 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:52.760 the offensive skill guys are gonna spend time whether it's 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:55.920 in Florida or California, which is huge too, to build 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.320 that bond in the chemistry and the developed. So when 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:01.320 you hear that, because they have to get that together 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:03.520 on their own, you guys can't push them to do 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:07.800 that because that's the offseason rules. What's going on when 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.639 you and Joe and company aren't hearing that, Hey, the 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:14.040 guys are taking this upon themselves to get better. Yeah, 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.480 that's when you see the growth. Man, you feel it, 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.040 and you it makes you feel even better about the 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:22.000 guys who you've identified number one as a player from 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.560 that talent level. But when you've hit on the character 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:26.760 as well, you know, that's when these guys are gonna 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:30.520 take us to new Heights as an organization because the 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:33.639 bond that they've created together. Uh, speaking of New heights. 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:38.240 Robert Salis said, expectations will be bigger for Zach Wilson 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:40.560 in year two. You know that as well. But with 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:43.840 that being said, he said, the process can't change right right, 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:47.000 and you can't just you can't go from from A 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.240 to C. You gotta go from hit A B before 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:52.320 you get to see And a lot of times in 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:54.880 the NFL, I think, especially when a quarterback gets taken 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:57.840 number two, you know, there's high expectations. We have them, 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.000 he has them, the staff has them, and so you 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:04.200 have to understand that for you as a quarterback coming 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:07.120 into the league, it's not gonna be instant coffee. It's 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.160 not gonna be like b y U where you're throwing 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:12.120 to two space. You know, the coverage is tighter, it's 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:16.159 different to speed of the games different, And he's realized that, 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:19.040 but he he wants to be so good and he 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:22.639 wants to to get to that advanced level of of 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:25.239 seeing the way Aaron Rodgers plays, and we go over 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:27.639 those joint practices and he's spending that time talking to 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:29.760 him and it's like he wants to jump from year 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:33.280 one to year fourteen, like like Aaron's and it's like, hey, man, 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:36.760 just just hey, it's gonna come, it's gonna come. Let's 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.840 take it in steps. Let's take every day. You're gonna 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:42.840 continue to see the growth in yourself. So I should 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:44.600 ask you who you're gonna take it for. No, I'm 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:50.400 just getting about just in a very general sense, position groups. 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.520