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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: Here are your hosts, Bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: Used to live on a Tuesday edition of Cleveland Brown's Daily.

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Speaker 2: I am merely Bo, he is the great Z. How

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Speaker 2: are you living, Buddy.

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Speaker 3: I'm good, good, happy to be here with you as always.

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Speaker 3: Couldn't be happier about that suns out was actually it

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Speaker 3: turned into a very nice day. So yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: so that's good.

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Speaker 4: That's good. Here we are on a Tuesday. We got

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Speaker 4: the Hoff coming up. That's exciting.

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Speaker 2: We got the Hoff, We got Zacidil coming up. You

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Speaker 2: got a lot to look forward to here on a Tuesday. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is this. We're still peak like I know that

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Speaker 2: it's going to start raining at some point. It's as

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Speaker 2: if don't do it, don't do it.

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Speaker 4: It's as if they just knew. Come on, they said,

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Speaker 4: we're gonna give you guys a little bit of a respite.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, it's last. I still Thursday.

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Speaker 5: Come on.

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Speaker 2: Are we serious? Is that what we're walking into here? Oh?

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Speaker 5: The rest of the weekends, all right, it's just Thursday.

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Speaker 5: We got to build a mark.

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Speaker 4: Forty nine Thursday, what's Friday?

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Speaker 2: Ninety six percent chance of rain in a high of

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Speaker 2: forty nine fifty two, eighty four, and yeah, you're gonna

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Speaker 2: be underwater. Yeah, it's a wash up your weekend fifty

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Speaker 2: two and fifty with not I have.

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Speaker 5: An answer for that. It's called a golf simulator and alcohol.

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Speaker 4: You're not wrong, give me.

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Speaker 2: I think you got to try to get out I

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Speaker 2: think you got to try to get out there to

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Speaker 2: the November. I think you know. Sunday's the second fifty

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Speaker 2: degrees fifty fifty two ish three percent chance be a slog,

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Speaker 2: but it might be. All right, yeah, that might be it.

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Speaker 2: This time of year is as good as it gets.

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Speaker 4: Big l It's after though.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing, though, that Sunday is coming on the

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Speaker 3: heels of two days of a washout.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be It's.

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Speaker 2: Gonna be muddy. The only thing you can hope for

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Speaker 2: is is that you get a if the ninety six

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Speaker 2: on Thursday and then the eighty four that follows it

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Speaker 2: on Friday percent chance of raine that that eighty four

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Speaker 2: is in the early morning hours, Like maybe it's really

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Speaker 2: early in the morning on Friday, and then you get

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Speaker 2: all day Friday, all day Saturday to kind of soak

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Speaker 2: it up.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's what I was looking at. I

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Speaker 3: think it's I think Thursday is all day. What you

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Speaker 3: really needed is to be insanely windy. That would be

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Speaker 3: the only way that we could get maybe razy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of weather, did you see that down that's

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Speaker 2: attacking Jamaica Hurricane Melissa crazy?

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Speaker 3: Certainly, hope everybody is okay, and it looks insane. Did

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Speaker 3: you see the video of the plane that flew I did?

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Speaker 3: That blows my mind.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand that. I mean, that's that is tornado

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Speaker 2: chasing to the millionth power.

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Speaker 3: So I get that you can get into that center

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Speaker 3: spot where it's like blue skies and you're looking around.

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Speaker 3: It creates like a stadium effect they call it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and that is really amazing, But you have to get.

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Speaker 5: Give me nose.

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Speaker 2: I think, did you know how this happens?

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Speaker 3: I mean, you have to fly through it, But that

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Speaker 3: seems to me the flight until you reached that spot

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Speaker 3: and then you.

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Speaker 5: Know, they right through the middle. Wow, they fly right

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Speaker 5: through it.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy.

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Speaker 5: I mean, yesterday, it's the first time that I can

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Speaker 5: remember it happening. The one plane had to abort. It

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Speaker 5: had to abort. So I was telling the guys earlier, like,

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Speaker 5: this is the equivalent of like like a category four tornado. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 5: this isn't even an F five. This is an F four. Okay.

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Speaker 5: The problem is like an F four tornado last two

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Speaker 5: does catastrophic damage. This is like an F four tornado

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Speaker 5: I don't know how these people that didn't get out

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Speaker 2: We need to talk to our buddies at the United

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Speaker 2: States Navy and figure out what other thing that struck

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Speaker 2: me about it was. They didn't they weren't using a jet,

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Speaker 2: they were ing a propeller.

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Speaker 5: Correct, that's so they do that for all of them.

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Speaker 2: And so there must be something to that, something aerospace

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Speaker 2: wise to that that makes that more effective than a jet.

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Speaker 5: I feel like I am dying for a fly along

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Speaker 5: on that. I want to you would want to do

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Speaker 5: that in a heartbeat into the I want to hur Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I want to ride along. You can have your blue angels.

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Speaker 5: I want to ride over.

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Speaker 2: Those guys, Well, we don't want to go. We know people.

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing that's a coast guard type situation. Maybe would

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Speaker 2: that be No, that's a that's a navy, okay, oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: that that might be an air force, might be a

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Speaker 2: force all good, guys. Yeah, that's wild, there is and

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Speaker 2: that thing from above is crazy. And then you think

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Speaker 2: about Jamaica, like quite literally on an island, like if

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Speaker 2: you could have gotten out, you would have had to

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Speaker 2: have gotten out probably by Sunday, And now you just

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Speaker 2: pray at this point. Yeah, yeah, it's it's nuts. That's

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Speaker 2: you've done the tornado stuff, Gibbe. I had done the

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Speaker 2: hurricane stuff when I was in Florida when our chant

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Speaker 2: we had a hurricane hummer and we would take it

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Speaker 2: the hurricanes would come into tropical storms. I only drove

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Speaker 2: we drove down in there. That's the most humbling you've

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Speaker 2: ever I've ever been, most humbled I've ever been by

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Speaker 2: nature in my life. Like, Okay, not much we can

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Speaker 5: Can we go back inside where there's walls.

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Speaker 2: The size of it, it's just god. Yeah. And then

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Speaker 2: it just rains forever like it rain eleven inches with

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Speaker 2: rays and you go there's nothing to do. I hope

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Speaker 2: it's okay. I hope things are okay underneath all of that.

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Speaker 2: It's terrifying stuff, man, absolutely. But the one thing about

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Speaker 2: hurricanes is you know they're coming. You know there's yes,

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Speaker 2: it's tornadoes pop up, you know, but.

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Speaker 5: Her, Yeah, you know, where do you go on an island?

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Speaker 2: You gotta get Yeah, so that's it. They're quite literally.

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Speaker 5: Mountains, you know.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, it's I've not been to Jamaica. I

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Speaker 2: know the hop's been there a few times. Have you

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Speaker 5: I have not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've not been.

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Speaker 4: I've been to the Bahamas. I've been to Jamaica.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, never, never to Jamaica. But god, God bless those

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Speaker 2: folks down there. What we had, we had the sports

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Speaker 2: the what do they call it, the sports equinox. Last night,

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Speaker 2: every major sport was going.

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Speaker 5: That's the term for it.

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Speaker 2: Is that the term CAPE.

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Speaker 4: I like it.

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Speaker 5: So they had it all.

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Speaker 2: So you had if you if you were interested in MLS,

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Speaker 2: here because they're part of the business, and they playing

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Speaker 2: their playoff leg against FC Cincinnati they lost. You had

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Speaker 2: all had I think several NHL games. You had a

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Speaker 2: had Game three of the World Series, and then you

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Speaker 2: had Monday night football. So all of this stuff was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, at Game three, four, three, four, five, six, and

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Speaker 3: seven of the World Series.

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Speaker 4: Apparently did it end at three am local time, two.

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Speaker 2: Forty five six in the morning. So she eat that

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Speaker 2: they played two games.

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Speaker 5: They played too, it was six hours and thirty nine minutes,

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Speaker 5: eighteen innings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and I don't know, I don't know what

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Speaker 2: you do with how you put Otani into perspective. So

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Speaker 2: the last time he played at Dodger Stadium. He hit

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Speaker 2: the three home runs and then he had the ten

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Speaker 2: then hit three bombs, and then yesterday he went he

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Speaker 2: had two home runs, hit a double, went four for four,

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Speaker 2: and then they walked him five times.

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Speaker 4: Is the first person ever to reach base in nine times.

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Speaker 2: Nine times in a game?

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Speaker 5: Old serious that going forward. Like the Blue Jays after

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Speaker 5: the game were like, he will not see another pitch

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Speaker 5: to hit this World Series.

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Speaker 2: And the crazy thing was is in Toronto he struck

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Speaker 2: that scored. And he's pitching tonight.

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Speaker 5: Pitching against Shane Bieber.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, did you see his put.

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Speaker 3: Post game, he's interviewed through his interpreter and they asked him,

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Speaker 3: you know, how are you feeling and get get ready?

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Speaker 4: He goes, look, I just want to go to bed

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Speaker 4: right now.

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Speaker 3: So I can started laughings like, yeah, really, don't not

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Speaker 3: really into this interview with so much.

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Speaker 4: I'd like to just go to bed.

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Speaker 2: I'd rather just go to sleep because I'm pitching tonight. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's there's not much of a conversation anymore.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's funny. It's one of those like hot sports. It

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Speaker 2: used to be you'd say, like, he's the greatest baseball

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Speaker 2: player of all time, and you'd get all the babe

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Speaker 2: ruth and all that. Now you say it and people

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Speaker 2: are just like, yeah, you're There's not even an argument

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Speaker 2: on the other side. People are just resigned to, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he is.

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Speaker 3: This is from a financial standpoint, he's doing this at

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Speaker 3: the right time to be the greatest of all time,

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Speaker 3: but from a just where that would put him in

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Speaker 3: the society. In society he's seventy years later, Like if

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Speaker 3: he's doing this in the nineteen fifties, sixties.

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Speaker 2: I just I think even in the in the McGuire

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Speaker 2: Sosa late eighties nineties. I mean, you remember how big

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Speaker 2: of a deal that was sixty That was the whole

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Speaker 2: thing anybody talked about all summer, even twenty five years ago.

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Speaker 2: It's a different feel. But you're right, Apex would have

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Speaker 2: been fifties sixties, but even Massive would have been twenty

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Speaker 2: five for show. And I'm curious, I'm curious see what

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Speaker 2: the you know, what what the audience is for it,

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Speaker 2: because is he somebody that transcends the sport. Is he

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Speaker 2: somebody that people will say, you got to see what's

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Speaker 2: happening here and go watch it? I don't. I think so.

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Speaker 2: My hunch is that it won't. I'm guessing you're not

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Speaker 2: going to have massive World Series ratings for what we've seen,

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Speaker 2: but maybe maybe we'll be proven wrong. But in terms

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine what business the Los Angeles Dodgers do

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Speaker 2: Percent of the televisions we're watching, we're watching. It's a

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Speaker 3: Sixteen point six percent of the televisions in Canada watched,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they get. I mean the Canadians get. They get

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Speaker 5: Country educating the fine gentlemen in here about the Montreal Expos.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, domestic all right, g.

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Speaker 5: Man, nobody got all hurt right there when I.

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Speaker 4: Said that, don't we domestically?

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Speaker 5: The j mcnow notes the most.

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Speaker 3: Viewed postseason since twenty seventeen. That was leading into the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a win.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I see, the kid's weird. They may have like

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Speaker 3: Let's see Game one of the twenty twenty five World

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Speaker 3: Series watched by an average of seven million Canadians. That's

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Speaker 3: more than a sixth of the entire population of Canada.

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Speaker 3: I don't see the American ratings, so I'm able to

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Speaker 2: The word of mouth of what he's doing, though, Like,

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Speaker 2: I'd be curious what tonight's start looks like off of that,

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Speaker 2: because obviously, if you're in Toronto, you just walk him

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Speaker 2: But he's pitching too, so.

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Speaker 3: Maybe so the most watched program in the history of Canada.

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Speaker 3: Was it really the most So this is what they're saying.

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Speaker 3: If it goes to Game seven, maybe can I guess.

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Speaker 4: Next level is next age? It's not. Yeah, we're going,

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Speaker 4: let's go.

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Speaker 2: That's enough, let's go. We'll see on down the line.

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Speaker 7: Folks. That's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: That's a good job out of me.

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Speaker 5: You should probably go back.

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Speaker 2: He going, where's my big b? Where's my big b?

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Speaker 2: That's the one Crosby walked off. Crosby won it off

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Speaker 2: of and again lafeed memory serves that's the golden goal.

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Speaker 2: What a job?

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Speaker 1: What a job?

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Speaker 2: What a job?

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Speaker 3: Twenty ten Game seven, By the way, that one was

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Speaker 2: There's only thirty million people in Canada.

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Speaker 4: So there you go.

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Speaker 5: The whole country watched.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you had a TV you're watching. Yeah, that's it?

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Speaker 4: Like what was I want to know?

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Speaker 3: I think there should be a show where you go

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Speaker 3: interview the other the three point five or like, who.

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Speaker 4: Were the people who did Yeah, I'm good, like Noah care,

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Speaker 4: I don't need to see it. Yeah, nothing to see here.

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Speaker 4: What a call by you? Yeah, that's incredible. Did you

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Speaker 2: I didn't know the year, but I knew that I

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Speaker 2: medal game in the Vancouver Olympics. They put everything on it.

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Speaker 2: It was Lemieux was on that staff for Team Canada, Gretzky, Eiserman,

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Speaker 2: they were all involved, and it was like, we got

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Speaker 2: We gotta win it. It's probably Crosby and Crazy's won Cups.

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Speaker 2: He's won three Cups, he's an MVP's all those things

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Speaker 2: it's the golden goal and goal you know, yep, it's

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Speaker 2: What did you make on Monday night? The game when

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, not a surprise at all. They're very good.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's Mariota. It's so interesting watch. I was cooking,

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Speaker 4: Ish until kick. Yeah, and Marcus Mario is a nice player.

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Speaker 3: This is not this is not anti Marcus Mariota, but

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Speaker 3: they were just like going on and on about how

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Speaker 3: Tim McLaurin is saying he has a colm about him

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Speaker 3: the guy was twenty nine and thirty two as a starter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah in Tennessee. That ended in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, he was the number two pick in the draft.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't get a chance to start again until

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Speaker 5: Yeah, just left.

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Speaker 4: And then this year he's one and two with Washington,

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Speaker 2: It's interesting salesmanship on their end.

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Speaker 3: It was just I was sitting there being like, this

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Speaker 3: But yeah, that you knew that one was in the

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Speaker 3: bag first.

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Speaker 2: Of all, Saint Steve Bono.

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Speaker 3: No, No, Steve Bow's great. Of course it was your

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Speaker 3: I'm just watching them, think myself.

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Speaker 2: You want to remember Steve Bono, give me it doesn't

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Speaker 2: remember you remember Steve Bono.

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Speaker 5: I do. We're gonna besmirch Steve Young, but you're gonna

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Speaker 5: give praise to Steve bone Grace. Yeah, he's a worthy backup.

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Speaker 4: He was Andy. You knew all three.

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Speaker 2: He knew his role, his limitation man's Steve Bono knew

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Speaker 5: Steve Young, super Bowl?

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Speaker 3: You like Tony, there's unfortunately for you, there's no frame

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Speaker 5: Seventeen. I've worked him in.

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Speaker 4: There's no frame of reference. Unfortunately.

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Speaker 3: people who are just immensely popular. It would be like

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Speaker 3: if in Pittsburgh they just decided after Mario Lemieux had

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Speaker 2: It's kind of it's Yager to Rogers. Honestly, you need

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Speaker 2: to go, except if Rogers won four super Bowls. Yeah

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Speaker 2: didn't need to. Yeah, except he only won one super Bowl,

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Speaker 2: not four. Right, that's the closest kind of thing that

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Speaker 2: we've seen in sport. And it has to be quarterback.

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Speaker 2: It can't be anything else, Yeah, because there's nobody else.

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Speaker 7: Try.

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Speaker 4: I think somebody like Joe was so popular. It was

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Speaker 4: Joe Montana Joe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, universally best best quarterback in the league.

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Speaker 2: I believe the technical term my kids call that is

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Speaker 2: rage bait.

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Speaker 4: What he's doing, Yeah, that's his whole existence is rage bait.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, only for you, buddy, there.

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Speaker 2: Kansadity to get some bad news. Pachecko dinged in this game.

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Speaker 2: How about Kareem still running that way? He's isn't that amazing?

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Speaker 4: I've got him on one of my fancies.

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Speaker 2: Then he's still got like that in the tank and

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Speaker 4: He's it's crazy.

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Speaker 3: At one point he converted one that put him at

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like years ago, Like that's just what he was.

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Speaker 2: If you had a third and short, he's picking up

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Kelse Rashi Rice changes the whole dynamic for them.

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Speaker 3: That is, it's huge having him back, and so now

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Speaker 3: good again because now you're worried about Worthy and Rashie Rice.

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Speaker 2: Mahomes play in the third quarter, he scrambles left kind

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Speaker 2: kind of back pedaling sideways and he throws it kind

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Speaker 2: of backwards across the field to Rashee Rice, who kind

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Speaker 2: of had broke free, and then Rashe turned it up

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Speaker 2: and picked hup like twenty eight yards, and I just went, Okay,

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Speaker 2: there they are.

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Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, they're back.

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Speaker 3: Like that's I did think there was one moment that

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Speaker 4: Kelsey is not a spring chicken anymore at this point.

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Speaker 3: No, or the one where it was supposed to go

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Speaker 3: released and he throws it to him and he had

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Speaker 3: the field open, and you know, like you're maybe a

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Speaker 3: little bit older, you know, you don't have kind of

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Speaker 3: the extra gear you have. He like put his head

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Speaker 3: down so that he could run fast. Yeah, like he

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Speaker 3: wasn't just just as smooth like a gazelle. He was like,

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Speaker 3: I gotta go, Yeah, I gotta put my head down.

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Speaker 3: I'm not even looking where I'm going.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to run so fast. I thought that was

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Speaker 4: That was great.

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Speaker 3: Ninety nine yards for me, ties tied Priest Hols Homes

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Speaker 3: for the most touchdowns in Kansas City history.

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Speaker 2: Great job, right, mahomes to go get the ball.

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Speaker 4: Yes, by the way, here's one for you.

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Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey has been nothing short of spectacular, right yep

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Speaker 3: for the kids in there for I'm going to ask

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Speaker 3: Priest Holmes, who we just tied for touchdowns. How many

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Speaker 9: It's like it was like four, like so or five

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Speaker 4: It is a good job out of the Jamesis I

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Speaker 3: Is technically six, okay, but he played sixteen games fourteen games,

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Speaker 3: sixty five games. He scored eighty six touchdowns his three

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty seven total yards, twenty four touchdowns, twenty

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Speaker 3: fifteen touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: In eight games, had fifteen touchdowns. That's right, Well, that's like,

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Speaker 2: what isn't uh Jonathan Taylor on that he's got twelve.

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Speaker 3: In eight Jonathan tayl Yeah, yes, yeah, he's that's where

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Speaker 3: he has three years in a row where he is

447
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Speaker 3: first team All Pro, Pro Bowl and Top five and

448
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Speaker 3: MVP and Offensive Player of the Year voting, including him

449
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Speaker 3: winning Offensive Player of the Year in two thousand and two. Like,

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Speaker 3: I know that he probably won't, but he should. To me,

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Speaker 3: he should be a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 2: I think the only thing that separates you'd have to

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Speaker 2: look to see like where they stack up statistically. But

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Speaker 2: it's not that dissimilar to Terrell Davis, except Davis has

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowls, and maybe that pushes him over the edge.

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Speaker 2: I think at Gaale Sayers, when you do that what

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Speaker 2: you just did with Priest Holmes, like it is so

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Speaker 2: dominant for a short period of time, it's so weird.

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Speaker 2: To wrap you up front.

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Speaker 4: Here we go write these down.

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Speaker 3: Trell Davis seven thousand, six hundred and seven yards rushing

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Speaker 3: ye sixty touchdowns, four point six yards of carry, twelve

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty yards receiving five touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: This is uh career accomplished.

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Speaker 4: This is career accomplishment.

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Speaker 3: So career total yards from scrimmage is eight eight eight

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Speaker 3: seven and sixty five touchdowns.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 3: By the way, also just a three time first team

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Speaker 3: All Pro, one time MVP, and he was a two

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Speaker 3: time Offensive Player of the Year. By the way, none

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Speaker 3: of these seasons that he had compares to the best

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Speaker 3: of Presomes all right, Presomes seventy two yards, rushing, eighty

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Speaker 3: six touchdowns, rushing four point six yards of carry two

475
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Speaker 3: nine and sixty two yards, receiving eight touchdowns, receiving wopping

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Speaker 3: total eleven and thirty four total ninety four total touchdowns.

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Speaker 4: Blows him out of the water.

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Speaker 2: Blows him out of the water.

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Speaker 4: It's the two Super Bowls. Blows him out of the water.

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Speaker 2: It's not close, no particular two super Bowls for TD.

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Speaker 2: That's what it is. You get the Super Bowls and

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Speaker 2: then you get that extra you get that boost that

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Speaker 2: comes with it. He's got the MVP, Holmes got the

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Speaker 2: Offensive Player.

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Speaker 5: Of the Year.

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Speaker 2: I haven't even where is Priest Holmes.

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Speaker 9: I was also gonna wear what is ninety four touchdowns

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Speaker 9: rank all time?

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Speaker 4: Hold? Please?

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Speaker 2: But I haven't heard from Priest Holmes in years, Like

491
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Speaker 2: I don't. You don't see him around, you know.

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Speaker 4: Jerry Rice is the leader two o eight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, rushing leader is Emmett.

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Speaker 3: Jerry Rice two o eight. Emmett won seventy five, Ladanian

495
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Speaker 3: won sixty two. Runnemoss one fifty seven to one fifty six.

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Speaker 3: Marcus Allen one forty five, Marshall Fulk won thirty six,

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Speaker 3: Chris Carter one thirty one, Marvin Irrison one twenty eight,

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Speaker 3: Jim Brown, and Adrian Peterson won twenty six.

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Speaker 4: So it's not as close as Derrick Henry one seventeen

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Speaker 4: is the only guy.

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Speaker 2: That is in that's active in the vicinity.

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Speaker 3: And Davante Adams of one oh nine. Sean Alexander had

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Speaker 3: one twelve.

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Speaker 2: Dude, you want to talk about greatness, Oh, I know,

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Speaker 2: DeVante Adams is half way to Jerry Rice.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like his career is coming to an end. He's

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Speaker 2: half a.

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Speaker 4: Hundred behind him and he's played.

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Speaker 9: That's like if you took away everyone's goals in the NHL.

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Speaker 9: Else I keep talking about hockey, you take you take

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Speaker 9: away Gretzky's goals. He's still the points leader by like

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Speaker 9: five hundred. Yeah, it's crazy, nuts.

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Speaker 2: It's absolutely crazy. A couple of things on our side

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Speaker 2: of things. We have claimed tight end Brendan Bates via

516
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Speaker 2: Waivers from Houston to make room on the roster. The

517
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Speaker 2: team wave quarterback cornerback Jeric Bernard Converse baits sixty five

518
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Speaker 2: two fifty feet five second season out of Kentucky originally

519
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Speaker 2: signed with the Bears as an undrafted free agent in

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Speaker 2: twenty four. It has appeared in ten games with the Jets,

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Speaker 2: Browns Texans. Appeared in three games with the Browns in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, spent time on the team's practice squad.

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Speaker 2: At edition to that, we signed tight end Caden priest

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Speaker 2: Korn for the practice squad. To make room, we released

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Speaker 2: running back Armani Marshall from the practice squad. Two tight

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Speaker 2: ends in What do you make of that?

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Speaker 4: Interesting? Interesting?

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Speaker 3: You could look at conspiracy in nature means that maybe

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Speaker 3: David Njoku is being bandied about and you're preparing for

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Speaker 3: in the event that you do make a move there.

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Speaker 3: The other could be that they need they want more

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Speaker 3: out of the third tight end position, Blake Whiteheart, and

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Speaker 3: they're bringing in real competition for him.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: They didn't add one for Blake Whiteheart. No, which is

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Speaker 3: notable and correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't harold Fanon

537
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Speaker 3: leave that game towards the end dinged up, but there

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Speaker 3: was no comment about it yesterday.

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Speaker 5: They literally literally carried him. He could but and he

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Speaker 5: weighed on his leg.

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Speaker 4: But that was he was not brought up in stefanskis.

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Speaker 5: Is not correct. No, I don't know if there was

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Speaker 5: no designation because it was at the end of the game.

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Speaker 5: It was like the last three or four minutes of the.

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Speaker 4: Game, right, But we saw it, so then that was

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Speaker 4: the other part makes me wonder if it's just I.

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Speaker 5: Think also Isaiah Bond went to the locker room at

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Speaker 5: one point in that fourth quarter interest, So yeah, there

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Speaker 5: were more there. There were the official designations, but there

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Speaker 5: were a few other guys that at some point or

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Speaker 5: another went as well. So maybe maybe there's nothing and

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Speaker 5: we're all right, But I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, it's it's it prompted texts from a great many

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Speaker 3: people to me being like, are we trading in joking?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll find out when you find out. What is it?

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Speaker 2: Next week? Is it Tuesday?

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Speaker 4: Tuesday a week from.

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Speaker 2: That's a busy day, dude, right at four o'clock. That's

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Speaker 2: election day, NFL trade deadline, uh, first college football playoff rankings, saying.

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Speaker 4: Hi, hears, let's go baby, good.

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Speaker 2: That's all you need.

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Speaker 4: He's in a much better mood than he was the

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Speaker 4: last time, my son.

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Speaker 6: Hi, Joel, My question is Miles after the game yesterday,

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Speaker 6: talked about the fact that during the bye week, at

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Speaker 6: some point during the bye he's going to try to

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Speaker 6: talk to coaches and players and involve himself a little

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Speaker 6: bit in other aspects of the team to see if

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Speaker 6: there's anything that he can do to try to find

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Speaker 6: the fix for what ails you guys. So my question

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Speaker 6: to you is is that something As a longtime team leader,

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Speaker 6: will you get involved or offer suggestions, you know, sit

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Speaker 6: down with Kevin or talk to the coaches yourself or

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Speaker 6: how what is your approach to that.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, we've you know, have ongoing discussions. We have leadership

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Speaker 10: meetings every week where we try and have our input

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Speaker 10: from some of our leaders on our team. And I

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Speaker 10: think we're gonna do a breakdown. Today was obviously the

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Speaker 10: game review, but I think tomorrow we're going to do

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Speaker 10: a breakdown of where we're at this season, what we

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Speaker 10: need to work on as players, what the coaches want

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Speaker 10: to work on as coaches, and and you know, we

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Speaker 10: have the analogy today that it's a seventeen round fight

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Speaker 10: for us and we're you know, only at the halfway point,

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Speaker 10: so you know, finding any way that we can we

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Speaker 10: can fix things, or if we have ideas, and I

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Speaker 10: think Miles has played football at a high level for

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Speaker 10: long enough to have his opinion, and I'm sure the

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Speaker 10: coaches will and players will, we'll listen to what he says.

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Speaker 6: Do you feel like you need to see something, some

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Speaker 6: kind of a change, some kind of assurance that I

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Speaker 6: don't know that you guys are going to run the

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Speaker 6: ball more, or do you need to see a change

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Speaker 6: to make you feel hopeful that this can get turned

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Speaker 6: around going forward?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: For us, on offense, we just got to execute, you

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Speaker 10: know what is asked of us. You know, there's so

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Speaker 10: many plays where it's one guy each play where it's like,

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Speaker 10: well this was called really well, you know we had

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Speaker 10: we had a guy opening alignment gets beat on the play,

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Speaker 10: or we have a great run and we need someone

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Speaker 10: to block, you know, the backside linebacker and we just

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Speaker 10: don't get to that guy. Like, there's so many little

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Speaker 10: things in the execution game where I think I think

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Speaker 10: if we look at that and we try and improve

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Speaker 10: on those aspects. Then we'll see, you know, I know

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Speaker 10: they're going to do a breakdown of the team and

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Speaker 10: the roster and where we're at. And and we got

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Speaker 10: to we got when we call runs, we have to execute,

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Speaker 10: we have to get yards. We have to do that

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Speaker 10: to to make sure we you know, as a team,

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Speaker 10: we still believe in the run, and our defense is

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Speaker 10: playing great, and and you know, we obviously haven't lived

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Speaker 10: up to our side of the uh the bargain.

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Speaker 11: Hey, Joel, So I guess off of that you talked

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Speaker 11: about the run game. Why do you think it wasn't

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Speaker 11: what you wanted yesterday?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you know that first drive we had that nice

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Speaker 10: little uh you know, jet sweep to Malachi. He got

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Speaker 10: thirty five yards on that, you know, set up a

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Speaker 10: play action kind of off that and scored. And then

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Speaker 10: they were they were kind of running base defense to

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Speaker 10: whatever personnel we put out there on first down. And

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Speaker 10: so I think that limited our our run game calls

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Speaker 10: if we if we you know, bring eleven out there,

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Speaker 10: or we can spread them out and try and pass

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Speaker 10: him out of the base based defense. So I think

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Speaker 10: it was those and then and then when we actually

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Speaker 10: look at the tape, like I kind of talked about

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Speaker 10: with Mary. Okay, it's it's you know, one guy on

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Speaker 10: a play where it's like we have a double team

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Speaker 10: and then last minute when the guy leaves, it kind

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Speaker 10: of gets split or you know, one guy gets you know,

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Speaker 10: you know, missed assignment on that play and when you

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Speaker 10: only get twelve or thirteen called runs, you have to

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Speaker 10: find a way to execute. So we're confident, so we

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Speaker 10: can keep the ball, so we can you know, establish

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Speaker 10: those those runs.

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Speaker 11: Do you think there's you know, when Kevin talks about

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Speaker 11: evaluating everything and we're talking about the run game, could

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Speaker 11: we see more outside runs coming out of the by

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Speaker 11: because it and you know you know better than I do,

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Speaker 11: but it doesn't feel like there's as many of those

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Speaker 11: as straight kind of inside the tackle handoffs.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think it's it's definitely going to be part

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Speaker 10: of the evaluation, Like we have to look at everything

671
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Speaker 10: and if if they see like, hey, it's it's favorable.

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Speaker 10: We got to open this up a little bit more.

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Speaker 10: You know, we know what Quinn Schawn likes to do

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Speaker 10: in the run game, but we also have Samp and

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Speaker 10: Jerome that can do things on the edge for us

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Speaker 10: and just just find a way to get more called

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Speaker 10: and be more successful in it.

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Speaker 8: Ay Jeel cut them off of that just I mean,

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Speaker 8: we've talked to all year about the tackle situation in

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Speaker 8: the revolving door and everything. You're starting to get some

681
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Speaker 8: continuity with Cam over there, Jack was back in the

682
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Speaker 8: lineup a lot of this. But for you guys in

683
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Speaker 8: the middle, how much of you guys sort of found

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Speaker 8: yourself having to almost try to overcompensate at times during

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Speaker 8: the course of the season to help, you know, a

686
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Speaker 8: leaving some of the pressure off of whoever might be

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Speaker 8: you know, out there on the edge in those situations.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's kind of getting to feel for how your

689
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Speaker 10: tackle plays and understanding, you know, some of the tackles

690
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Speaker 10: like to run the guys around the edge a little

691
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Speaker 10: bit more. Some of the guys set them a little

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Speaker 10: bit more straight up, where there's there's more of a

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Speaker 10: two way go passing off games and twist is something

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Speaker 10: you you know, gain with experience with the guy and

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Speaker 10: just kind of kind of feel that out. I wouldn't

696
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Speaker 10: say over compensating. There's been times in games where it's like, hey,

697
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Speaker 10: we got a great pass rusher out there, Like let's

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Speaker 10: keep our eyes out there a little bit more instead

699
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Speaker 10: of firming the pocket up on the inside. So it's

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Speaker 10: really a game to game thing. But I'm getting more

701
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Speaker 10: and more comfortable with Cam as a game goes on.

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Speaker 10: We have a lot of confidence in those guys to

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Speaker 10: you know, hopefully we can keep this five together and

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Speaker 10: try and build something in the second half.

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Speaker 8: Also with Dylan, obviously you know he's only had four

706
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Speaker 8: starts under his belt. Just what ways can you as

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Speaker 8: a veteran sort of help him along, you know, and

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Speaker 8: you know, not let everything sort of snowball, you know,

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Speaker 8: you know, every the weight of it all kind of

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Speaker 8: snowball on it.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think this week just giving him some you know,

712
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Speaker 10: getting the time away from the building and in time

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Speaker 10: off to reset your mind, to have an understanding of, hey,

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Speaker 10: this is a long season, like it's been four games

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Speaker 10: into your career into this season. And then as a

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Speaker 10: group just performing for him, like so you know, everything

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Speaker 10: we can get as good as possible for him to

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Speaker 10: have the ability to come in and execute and make

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Speaker 10: the place he's capable of.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Joel. Yesterday, Kevin said that he is sticking with

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Speaker 6: Dylan Gabriel coming out of the buy and then I

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Speaker 6: asked him today, you know, why wouldn't you maybe just

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Speaker 6: try shaudor just to see if that might affect any

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Speaker 6: kind of change. So the question is, what, you know,

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Speaker 6: why might you think if you agree with that, why

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Speaker 6: might another quarterback change might not be the fix here?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, we we have confidence Dylan to keep improving. You know,

728
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Speaker 10: he's had four games, he had some tough matchups, and

729
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Speaker 10: we want the offense to continue to grow. Like it's

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Speaker 10: not a one person issue at times, you know, So

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Speaker 10: we want to give our quarterbacks a chance. And I

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Speaker 10: think this bye week, give him a chance to reset,

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Speaker 10: is going to be good for his growth, like I

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Speaker 10: kind of mentioned, and for a young guy in this league,

735
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Speaker 10: like four games is so mini school on a you know,

736
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Speaker 10: big platform. So we have to give him a chance

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Speaker 10: to adjust and to see what he likes. Like, you know,

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Speaker 10: I think going back rewatching these games and being like

739
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Speaker 10: what plays were we successful with on offense, Like what

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Speaker 10: does he like? How does he like to move in

741
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Speaker 10: the pocket? You know, where does he like to set up?

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Speaker 10: All those things are still questions that we have to answer.

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Speaker 10: And then as an offense, we want to perform better

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Speaker 10: to give him a chance to truly be evaluated.

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Speaker 11: A one more for you, Joe, you talked about having

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Speaker 11: limited number of runs. Do you feel pressure is a

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Speaker 11: line or is a run unit that if it doesn't

748
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Speaker 11: hit early, you're not going to get that chance to

749
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Speaker 11: let it hit late.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I mean as a group, we are, you know, trying

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Speaker 10: to be as good as possible in every run, you know,

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Speaker 10: And and it's.

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Speaker 5: It's just game flow slash.

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Speaker 10: You know where we're at as an offense where we

756
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Speaker 10: want to be successful early so we have confidence to

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Speaker 10: be able to call those plays later on.

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Speaker 11: And I did it. One more? What did you think

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Speaker 11: a lot about Miles individual performance yesterday? It has kind

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Speaker 11: of gotten not overlooked, but gets kind of overshadowed by

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Speaker 11: the loss.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was special.

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Speaker 10: You know, I think we all know, anybody who's paid

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Speaker 10: attention to fl he's the best, you know, defensive player

765
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Speaker 10: in the league, best pass rusher, and you know, sometimes

766
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Speaker 10: sacks don't always tell the story. And to get a

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Speaker 10: game where he gets gets five sacks is impressive as heck.

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Speaker 10: You know, we all know who've been here how hard

769
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Speaker 10: he is to block, and and you know the things

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Speaker 10: he can do on a football field so it was impressive.

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Speaker 10: I wish we would have, you know, played better for

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Speaker 10: him yesterday so it could be a little bit more celebrated,

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Speaker 10: but it was an incredible performance.

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Speaker 6: No, I do have one more, Joel, just real quick,

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Speaker 6: what can what can you do as one of the

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Speaker 6: team leaders to help another team leader, your number one

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Speaker 6: wide receiver? Uh, not get frustrated during this time when

778
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Speaker 6: it's just not going his way right now?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think it's okay to be frustrated if you

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Speaker 10: aren't frustrated at this point, you know, as a member

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Speaker 10: of the team, Like I don't. I think that's you know,

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Speaker 10: bigger a red flag. So for him to be frustrate

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Speaker 10: is fine. I think it's it's finding a way to

784
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Speaker 10: use that frustration as whatever type of motivation we need.

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Speaker 10: And I know he's had his conversations with coach Tafans

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Speaker 10: get in the off and just getting everybody on the

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Speaker 10: same page. We know we saw, you know, glimpses last

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Speaker 10: year of what Jerry you can do as a receiver,

789
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Speaker 10: and so we know that's still in there, and we

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Speaker 10: know we have to give them opportunities.

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Speaker 5: To make those plays.

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Speaker 10: But the frustration, we just need to turn that into

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Speaker 10: urgency and turn that into you know, motivation to get

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Speaker 10: it right.

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Speaker 2: All right, there you go, Joel Botonio from the podium.

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Speaker 4: Look not great offensively.

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Speaker 3: I think we all know that, but let's just focus

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Speaker 3: for a little bit right now on the defense of

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Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns and something that you know, Miles Garrett's

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Speaker 3: greatness that stands out. We all know that we saw

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Speaker 3: him have the five sacks in this game. Just an

819
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Speaker 3: incredible tour to force performance from Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett

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Speaker 3: is now your NFL's leader in sacks with ten, is

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Speaker 3: your NFL leader and tackles for loss with fifteen. But

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Speaker 3: one thing that we've really been looking for this whole

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Speaker 3: time while Miles Garrett has been here is to have

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Speaker 3: that guy or guys opposite him that are able to

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Speaker 3: hold up their end of the bargain. And I think

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Speaker 3: one of the things that we've really learned this year

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Speaker 3: is that, yes, the Browns do have them here, and

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Speaker 3: they have them here right now on rookie contracts because

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Speaker 3: Isaiah Maguire and Alex Wright are playing fantastic football. Alex

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Speaker 3: Wright last week had a career high three tackles for

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Speaker 3: a loss. In his last four games, Alex Wright has

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Speaker 3: got eight tackles for a loss. He now has nine

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Speaker 3: on the season. Alex Wright also has three sacks on

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Speaker 3: the season. So let's just do some numbers really quickly.

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Speaker 3: So Miles on one side for you, has ten sacks

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Speaker 3: and fifteen tackles for a loss. Now, you're not going

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Speaker 3: to expect the guys opposite Miles Garrett necessarily match that production.

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Speaker 3: I think that's reasonable. But here's what they are doing.

839
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Speaker 3: Miles Garrett also has one force fumble. Alex Right and

840
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Speaker 3: Isaiah Maguire have combined this season this season four four sacks.

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Speaker 4: Not bad, That is fine.

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00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 3: You're getting a sacked one sack every other game out

843
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Speaker 3: of that other side, that is fine.

844
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Speaker 4: And they have combined here's the one for fourteen tackles

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Speaker 4: for a loss.

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Speaker 3: They also have a force fumble, so they have been

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Speaker 3: that's good.

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Speaker 4: Kind of what you've.

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Speaker 3: Been looking for opposite Miles Garrett for a long time. God,

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Speaker 3: that's going to give you eight plus sacks and in

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Speaker 3: this case they're on pace for almost thirty tackles for

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Speaker 3: a loss on the other side. Those are impactful plays.

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Speaker 3: And if Miles Garrett is leading the league with fifteen

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Speaker 3: tackles for a loss, that means the guy's opposite him

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Speaker 3: would be second in the league at fourteen. Yeah, combined,

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Speaker 3: and that's how I look at it. So I think

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Speaker 3: that that has been one of the real bright spots

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Speaker 3: this season and something you've certainly been looking for. And

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Speaker 3: Alex Wright is turning into a big time player. He

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Speaker 3: has three of the sacks and nine of the tackles

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Speaker 3: for loss himself, so I think he's playing very good football.

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Speaker 3: So if there's anything you know, this defense has done well,

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Speaker 3: but really you're looking at that spot opposite Miles Garrett,

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Speaker 3: I think it's in as good as shape as it's

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Speaker 3: been in for a very long time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's been very very solid. Both those guys

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Speaker 2: have been great, Alex especially. And you know the other

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Speaker 2: thing I want to bring attention to here really quickly.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned this yet yesterday briefly, but then and we'll

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Speaker 2: talk about this a little bit more with the Hoff later.

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Speaker 2: It would be amazing if you could do some sort

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Speaker 2: of a data on Miles's first half when the games

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Speaker 2: are close. I know we will talk. I'd I'd be

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Speaker 2: very curious if to see what that data looks like,

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Speaker 2: because it's got to be just overwhelming dominance that he

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Speaker 2: has in that part of the game to make up

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Speaker 2: for it, because in a lot of these second halfs.

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Speaker 2: We're burning clock, you're running the ball, quarterbacks out quick.

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Speaker 2: It's something that I'd be very curious about as I

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Speaker 2: don't know who could do it. A PFF guys or

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Speaker 2: somebody like that. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I think it'd be easy to track.

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Speaker 3: If somebody went through his game logs and his play

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Speaker 3: by plays, you could say first, you know, you could

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Speaker 3: list which quarter everything, where.

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Speaker 5: It all took place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because it's it's pretty remarkable what he's done.

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Speaker 2: asshole joining us in studio. Last week, fun little win.

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00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 2: This week we got punched in the mouth a little

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00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: bit in New England. First half you're in it, you're

914
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 2: in a fight, and then you get some adjustments in

915
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: New England does what it does as you took it in.

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00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: And the funny thing was as we started, so great Dave,

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00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: I mean you get that first drive, you go right

918
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 2: down the field, just weren't able to continue that. What

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00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 2: did what did you take from from a tough loss

920
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: over in Foxborough?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, it was a tough loss. I mean it kind

922
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 12: of reminded me a little bit of Steelers game. And

923
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Speaker 12: only comparison is at half the Steelers game, it was

924
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Speaker 12: nine to three, right, So you have two halftime games

925
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Speaker 12: where you're when you were within a score, so you're

926
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Speaker 12: in the game, you're going halftime feeling prety good about yourself.

927
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Speaker 12: Youve got to clean up things. Then the halftime adjustments

928
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Speaker 12: come and clearly New England found some things and took

929
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Speaker 12: advantage of it. But they're a good football team and

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Speaker 12: you got a quarterback that you could argue to say,

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Speaker 12: is it arguably say is the best quarterback in the league?

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Speaker 12: Young guy in year two, I think, and you know

933
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Speaker 12: he had some struggles last year, there's no doubt. But

934
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Speaker 12: you're starting to see what happens in teams that get

935
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Speaker 12: a quarterback develop them and then that year two right

936
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Speaker 12: then they start they start ascending and the teams follow that.

937
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Speaker 12: So they're a good football team. You know, where two

938
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Speaker 12: and six team. It is what it is, But you

939
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Speaker 12: could definitely see the second half the better football team

940
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Speaker 12: kind of taking over the game.

941
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Speaker 3: Drake may is tied Patrick Mahomes now only quarterbacks twenty

942
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 3: four or younger to have seven straight games of twinter

943
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Speaker 3: yards passing and a one hundred quarterback rating.

944
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Speaker 4: You went into the.

945
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Speaker 3: Game leading the league and quarterback rating and complete percentage,

946
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Speaker 3: left the game leading league in quarterback rating and completely percentage.

947
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Speaker 3: He is quite good. Mike Vrabel obviously has made a

948
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Speaker 3: big impact as well. That's that was a good team.

949
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Speaker 2: But their second in the league in point differential, it's

950
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Speaker 2: it's in the very dim their number two in the league, and.

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Speaker 3: They lost to Pittsburgh in a game in which they

952
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 3: turned it over five times and and lost the Raiders

953
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Speaker 3: week one.

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Speaker 4: And when that's it, Yeah, that's the list.

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Speaker 3: When you look at our defense and you know, we

956
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Speaker 3: have been very good, and even you mentioned the road

957
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Speaker 3: in particular, it's been like good for the first half.

958
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Speaker 3: Offense does nothing really from the opening drive through the

959
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Speaker 3: end of the third quarter and then the floodgates open.

960
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Speaker 3: We've given up a lot of points on the road

961
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Speaker 3: because of that, even though in the first half we've

962
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 3: been there. How do we combat that and how do

963
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 3: you keep you know, the sideline and the locker room unified.

964
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Speaker 3: When you know you have one level unit that's elite

965
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Speaker 3: and the other is unfortunately not.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's tough.

967
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Speaker 12: I mean I'm not gonna lie, right, I mean, you

968
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Speaker 12: got guys that are that are you know, Miles Garrett

969
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 12: five sacks five five sacks?

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: The defense is you know, as far as rating goes

972
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Speaker 12: in a top five TI ten defense, you know, depending

973
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Speaker 12: which stats you look at, and they're going out doing

974
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Speaker 12: their job. Special teams lately have started to do their

975
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Speaker 12: job and the offense is still not up to the

976
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Speaker 12: standards that I think coach Tafanski wants them to be.

977
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Speaker 12: I think the fans want them to be. I think

978
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Speaker 12: there is a standard that that this bye week, I'm

979
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Speaker 12: hoping allows everybody to go back, take a deep breath,

980
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 12: reevaluate everything. But it's tough when you slide to the

981
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Speaker 12: stat line, you know, in New England and you see

982
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Speaker 12: that your wide receivers really weren't targeted that much. It

983
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Speaker 12: could be a lot of variety of reasons for that.

984
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Speaker 12: But in the NFL, that's a problem. I mean, you know,

985
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Speaker 12: guys like Jerry Judu, you know, has has the ability

986
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 12: to make plays. You know, I think when you look

987
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Speaker 12: at those stats, you're going to find out a way

988
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 12: that moving forward, we got to get these receivers opportunities

989
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Speaker 12: to get the ball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you're when you identified those problems, I

991
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 2: guess maybe that's where we go next. Okay, you have

992
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 2: this bye week as if you're Kevin Stefancy and you

993
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: start to say, Okay, we got to find ways to

994
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 2: find success and then we've got to implement it. How

995
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 2: much work can be done in a bye week? How

996
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: much can you change with a week off?

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Speaker 12: Well, I think, first of all, bye week's in the

998
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Speaker 12: NFL are huge. I mean, it's a long season, so

999
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Speaker 12: just you know, I know this is a little bit

1000
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 12: of a you know, technically an earlier bye week because

1001
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 12: we have a longer second half. But guys get to

1002
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 12: be able to Number one, you get to heal up.

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Speaker 12: You know, you've got a lot of guys that are

1004
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 12: playing in the NFL that are just you know, have

1005
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 12: a little dings, little bruises, things that they can play,

1006
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 12: but maybe it's affecting them to be one hundred percent.

1007
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 12: So that's number one. Number two is you get to

1008
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 12: really sit down and re evaluate all the games that

1009
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 12: you've played so far. You got Dylan Gable that's played

1010
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 12: four games. You're going to see which plays were successful.

1011
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 12: You're going to see which plays weren't. He's going to

1012
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 12: learn from those things. So I expected Dylan Gable to

1013
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 12: probably be a better quarterback going forward, just by the

1014
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 12: sense of having a break, spending more time in the

1015
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 12: film room, being more comfortable going out. Now the caveat

1016
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 12: to that is the weather is going to start to turn.

1017
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 12: You're Hill and Gabriel in this offense is going to

1018
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 12: start to have windy your weather. You're gonna have rain,

1019
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 12: You're gonna have cold weather. You're going to have to

1020
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 12: figure out a way to run the ball. Now, one

1021
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 12: positive I can say, Cam Robinson was in there. You know,

1022
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 12: hopefully that's stability on the offensive line is they're going forward.

1023
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Speaker 12: Joe Botonio said today on the radio that you know,

1024
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 12: his communication with Cam Robinson was getting better, and he

1025
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 12: hopes that stability helps because that's going to help the

1026
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 12: run game going forward. So you have to have that

1027
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 12: because in cold weather and windy weather, you're gonna have

1028
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 12: to lie on the run.

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Speaker 3: And unfortunately we're running a lot of now seven eight

1030
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 3: nine man boxes because teams don't respect our ability to

1031
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 3: throw it down the field. So when you said, you know,

1032
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 3: Dylan coming out, we certainly all hope that it will

1033
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 3: be a better looking offense coming.

1034
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 4: Out of the bye week. What are your what would.

1035
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 3: Be assigned to you that yes, things are looking better

1036
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 3: and if they aren't, you know, how much?

1037
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 4: How long do you keep going with this?

1038
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 12: Yeah, A couple of things. That's a good question, you know.

1039
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Speaker 12: My opinion is A you got to limit the penalties, right,

1040
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 12: this is an offense and I can't afford to get

1041
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 12: first down and ten things.

1042
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Speaker 5: You can't do that.

1043
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 12: So if we can show improvement, there is number one.

1044
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 12: Number two is it's okay with this type of offense

1045
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 12: to chunk the ball down the field. There's two reasons

1046
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 12: for that. As long as you're moving the chains, you're keeping,

1047
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 12: you're keeping you know, a Drake may off the sideline,

1048
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 12: you're keeping Lamar Jackson off the side, you know, on

1049
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 12: the sideline. So if you can still find efficiencies to

1050
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 12: move the ball down the field get some points, you're

1051
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 12: taking time off the clock. You're putting a top five

1052
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 12: defense out there to keep the game close, to give

1053
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 12: yourself a chance. But if we put ourselves behind the

1054
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 12: eight ball right off the bat. That's to me a

1055
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 12: first step in improvement on efficiency.

1056
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Speaker 5: That gives you a chance.

1057
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 12: Other than that, we are going to have to attack

1058
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 12: the ball down the field and continue to run the

1059
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 12: ball well.

1060
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Speaker 2: And this is it's just such a young quarterback room.

1061
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 2: I mean, luckily we've got you know, Kevin's obviously very

1062
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 2: heavy handed in the offense with the quarterbacks, and Bill's

1063
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: there and Tommy's there too, so you have some guys.

1064
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: But I mean you're talking about a third round pick,

1065
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 2: a fifth round pick in Bailey Zappy, so there's not

1066
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: that veteran. Hey, come save us, give us a couple

1067
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 2: of games to settle things down. It's all kids out there.

1068
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 2: So and I know Dylan is wise beyond his years,

1069
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Speaker 2: and we know what he's being coached up to do.

1070
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Speaker 2: And I do think you and I talked about this

1071
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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago in Risk Versus Reward, this

1072
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Speaker 2: idea of hey, get it out, no negative plays, no sacks,

1073
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Speaker 2: no none of it. But but what you're doing and

1074
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Speaker 2: Nathany this point money, I thought it was such an

1075
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Speaker 2: astute point the way that you set it. We're basically

1076
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,439
Speaker 2: playing offense in the red zone the whole game. Yeah,

1077
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,479
Speaker 2: And that's just there's a reason the red zone so tough, right,

1078
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 2: you know, it's twenty the compresses everything, and so until

1079
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Speaker 2: we unlock something down the field, whether you just you

1080
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 2: don't want to just take shots to take shots, but

1081
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 2: sometimes you kind of need to. You've got to be

1082
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 2: able to have something down the field going, and we

1083
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Speaker 2: haven't for a while now.

1084
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Speaker 12: Yeah, and it's unfortunately the one that we took the

1085
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 12: chance on obviously saw the interception on that. Yeah, but

1086
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Speaker 12: you know, I think it's positive we took a shot.

1087
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 12: You know, where the team is right now in my opinion.

1088
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 12: You know, people always talk about we traded Greg News

1089
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 12: and we traded Joe Flackord of the Bengals. You know

1090
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 12: the thing about general anders in this league, and I

1091
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 12: know everybody wants to live in today's world like today, right,

1092
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 12: they do have to think about the future, right you know.

1093
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 12: So you know, Joe Flacco, would he be here next year?

1094
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 12: Probably not right, you know. And are we a bona

1095
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 12: fide playoff team that's going to go Probably probably not right.

1096
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 12: So you know, when you get a fifth round draft

1097
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 12: pick for him, Greg News and we knew what he's

1098
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 12: going to probably ask for in the free agent mark

1099
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 12: you get a young other great so you know, I

1100
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 12: know there's there's been some talk in the media and

1101
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 12: fans talking about why we're training these guys and especially

1102
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 12: the Bengals. You know, these are tough decisions, but I

1103
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 12: think at the end of the day, you know, you

1104
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 12: have to look at what's best for the situation now,

1105
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 12: and I honestly think getting a fifth round pick for

1106
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 12: Flacco at forty some years old and getting Tyson Campbell

1107
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 12: in here, that's a hard hitting Obviously, he showed some

1108
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 12: promises some games. There are there are within this this

1109
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 12: year that is not going the way we want. There

1110
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 12: are some still some pretty good decisions that are being

1111
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 12: made I think that are trying to help this team

1112
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 12: get out of this cap hit. Right, so you're still

1113
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 12: going to have to deal with this cap hit for

1114
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 12: the next couple of years, and so the more draft

1115
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 12: picks we can communlate, excuse me, accumulate, I think it's

1116
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 12: a I think it's it's still some positive things in

1117
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 12: a negative season so far.

1118
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 4: Do you think we'll be pretty active in the next week.

1119
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 12: I on acquiring Probably not, unless you know there's some

1120
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 12: there's some really good opportunities out there. I've heard Jerome

1121
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,439
Speaker 12: Forbes name obviously brought up there. Shelby Harris I think

1122
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 12: was out there a little bit. I think if the

1123
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 12: opportunity is to help our football team and help our future,

1124
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 12: we will. I just don't really see anything right now

1125
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 12: that's going to be overwhelming. That's just my opinion.

1126
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 4: What is what is in it?

1127
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes it's a you know, Adam Schefter said

1128
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: this could be one of the biggest NFL trade deadlines ever,

1129
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 2: that there could be a lot of teams making moves.

1130
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 2: What's that like in the locker room when when you

1131
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:44,479
Speaker 2: get close to trade deadline time?

1132
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.

1133
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 12: The one thing in my experiences is pretty much everyone

1134
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 12: that I played with and I remember was a professional.

1135
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 12: The hardest part about the trade deadline is if you

1136
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 12: lose a friend. He leads a guy that you've been

1137
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 12: with for a long time, and you've got another families

1138
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 12: because you're not going to see him tomorrow and the

1139
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 12: next day and maybe you guys go out to dinner

1140
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 12: and your kids play. That's the challenging part. I tell

1141
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 12: people all the time. You know, you don't miss the game.

1142
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 5: I didn't.

1143
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 12: I don't miss the game as much as I retired.

1144
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 12: I missed the locker room, the bonding, the traveling on

1145
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 12: the plane, going with you know, having get together as

1146
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 12: I was playing, you know, playing some poker, doing some

1147
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 12: fun things, because you don't have that camaraderie, you know.

1148
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 12: And I think that's why I always I always felt

1149
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 12: that teams that stuck together longer had more, had the

1150
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 12: ability to win more because guys are tighter, They trusted

1151
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 12: each other, they wanted to fight for each other. It's

1152
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 12: a little bit more like high school football.

1153
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, the collegiality, everybody, every every guy I talked to

1154
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: you who played, it's always that it's the room. You missed,

1155
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 2: the room, you miss your buddies, you missed the lifestyle,

1156
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you get out of it

1157
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 2: and you're like, OK, gotta go figure something else out

1158
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 2: and wet.

1159
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 7: You know.

1160
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 2: That's that's the way it's got to work. But they can.

1161
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 12: Always come help. Selling true, you can make guys will

1162
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 12: take them all in.

1163
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 4: We'll take them all in.

1164
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, it's it, it is, you know, And

1165
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 2: it's it's funny, like I think from the outside looking in,

1166
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: whether your your media or your fan or whatever. You

1167
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: look at players almost like video game characters and you

1168
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 2: just plug them and play them. But then you figure,

1169
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: you know, they have lives, they have families, and you're

1170
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: going to uproot your life. Like if somebody comes to

1171
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 2: a veteran who's been here a long time and they

1172
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 2: come to Andrew and they say, hey boy, we'd sure

1173
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 2: love to acquire Joel Patonio. And who wouldn't want to

1174
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 2: acquire Joel Patonio. But then you go have a conversation

1175
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 2: with Joel Buttonio and you say, well how about it?

1176
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:23,919
Speaker 2: And you go, well, geez, my whole career is here,

1177
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 2: my family's here. You have all these things, and it's

1178
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 2: a it's a it's a family life decision. It's not

1179
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 2: just as simple as yeah, plug me into the La

1180
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 2: Rams and I'm going to go try and win a

1181
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 2: Super Bowl with Matthew Stafford. Like, there are other considerations,

1182
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 2: and there's a human element that I think gets lost

1183
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 2: in this week leading up to the deadline. That's very

1184
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 2: very real.

1185
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 12: Oh it is. You know. I think there was rumors

1186
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 12: back then and we were asked them about it, but

1187
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 12: jo Thomas would no.

1188
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 4: More than to do that, so we put his head

1189
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 4: in a press when.

1190
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 12: He comes on next Yeah, we will. But yeah, I think,

1191
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 12: you know, there's there's really two ways. I look at

1192
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 12: this as now that I'm a fan and I grew

1193
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 12: up a fan, you kind of lose that fan mentality

1194
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 12: when you're play because it's your job, right. You know,

1195
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 12: people pay a lot of money to go to these games,

1196
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 12: They pay a lot of money to park, they pay

1197
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 12: a lot of money to go buy beer, and you know,

1198
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 12: buy gear and cheer on your team and root form.

1199
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 12: So there is a financial element to that that you

1200
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 12: are helping the organization because you want them to win

1201
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 12: and you're spending money and all that. But at the

1202
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 12: same time, these guys are people. You know, football, when

1203
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 12: I played football was not My first priority is my family,

1204
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 12: you know, That's how I always thought about it. But

1205
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 12: you're a professional and you are paid to perform. If

1206
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 12: you're not performing, you will get cut. That doesn't that's

1207
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 12: the same thing in our business. That's the same thing

1208
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 12: a lot of businesses that you know, you're here to perform.

1209
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 12: We like you, but if you're not performing, then we're

1210
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 12: going to have to move away from you. The problem

1211
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 12: I think fans sometimes is they get so into it

1212
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 12: they don't realize these guys are people too, and they

1213
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 12: do a lot of things for the community. They have

1214
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 12: good hearts, they do a lot of really good things.

1215
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 12: But they can't overcome the fact that we're not winning.

1216
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 12: And sometimes it gets to it kind of crosses the

1217
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 12: line a little bit on threats and things like that.

1218
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 12: You see it all the time. You see it with

1219
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 12: Ryan Day in State last year State and his family.

1220
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 12: So there's a human element to it. But the end

1221
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 12: of the day, I think, you know, we have we

1222
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 12: have the most wonderful fans in the world. All they

1223
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 12: want to do is is go watch a winner room

1224
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 12: on and so they'll stick with the fans here, will

1225
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 12: stick with us until we start turning around.

1226
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:20,479
Speaker 7: I know it.

1227
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,600
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Speaker 12: Like, yeah, I mean, I'll tell you what I mean,

1231
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 12: there's no doubt that our first series and a lot

1232
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,879
Speaker 12: of these games is pretty profound. I mean we're moving

1233
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 12: the ball, We're putting points on the board, you know.

1234
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 12: For I think Stan Stefanski is one of the best

1235
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 12: first series play callers I've ever seen. I mean, we're

1236
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 12: going down. If you look at all these games and

1237
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 12: we're scoring, teams are adjusting, right. We got we got

1238
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 12: a young offense, we got a little banged up line,

1239
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 12: we got a young quarterback. There's defense coordinators that they

1240
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 12: get up that are out there that get paid too.

1241
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 12: So I was really impressed with that first drive. I

1242
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 12: thought it was very calculated. I thought the plays we're

1243
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 12: very masterful on how we were orchestrating, you know, you

1244
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 12: know each you know, first and ten, second, five, how

1245
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 12: we were doing that, and then all of a sudden

1246
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 12: things fall off and that happens NFL. Unfortunately, you know,

1247
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 12: defense quarters get paid two.

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1259
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 2: That Joe Thomas half hour of the program. It goes

1260
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 2: in the books thirty two to thirteen, The Browns limp

1261
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 2: into the bye week off of a loss. Historical couple

1262
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,959
Speaker 2: individual performance for Miles Garrett and I wanted to start

1263
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 2: there with you Hoff. When you were on teams that

1264
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 2: struggled and you were having individually excellent Gold jacket seasons,

1265
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 2: how did you manage your personal performance juxtaposed to your

1266
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 2: team's struggles.

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Speaker 13: Well, it was really difficult for me and I've talked

1268
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 13: about it at length a few times, where in my

1269
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 13: tenth season, playing really good football, being on a team

1270
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 13: that ended up going one in fifteen, and you continue

1271
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 13: to like build up this narrative in your head that Okay,

1272
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 13: this is the week we're going to turn it around,

1273
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 13: We're going to put it together. And I think that

1274
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 13: everybody kind of has that breaking point, you know, some

1275
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 13: guys it takes longer.

1276
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 7: To get to.

1277
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 13: But after we played the Patriots in my tenth season,

1278
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 13: I kind of had this moment where I just broke

1279
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 13: down in the car driving home with Annie and I

1280
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 13: was crying. I couldn't help myself. And I had actually

1281
00:58:55,960 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 13: played what on paper was almost a perfect game. You know,

1282
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 13: I didn't have any minuses. Every step I took, every

1283
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 13: eye placement I had, every hand placement I had, everything

1284
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 13: I did was perfect and we got blown out. And

1285
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 13: it's that feeling of loss of control where you feel

1286
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 13: like you've been kind of fooling yourself talking yourself into

1287
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 13: being able to go out and win and keep the

1288
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 13: games competitive and that you have impact on the outcome.

1289
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 13: And it was that moment where I just kind of

1290
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 13: had that breakdown, realizing that like I had been kind

1291
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 13: of fooling myself and that I don't have the impact

1292
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 13: on the game that I want. And I had a

1293
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 13: chance to talk with some of the Browns psychologists and

1294
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 13: kind of help me get my mind put back together

1295
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 13: and be comfortable still performing at a high level, still

1296
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 13: trying to give everything I have to be the best

1297
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 13: player that I can be, but also realizing that, you

1298
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 13: know what, I don't control everything, and I have to

1299
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 13: be able to give some of that control up understanding

1300
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 13: that maybe the outcome on the scoreboard won't reflect necessarily

1301
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 13: the performance that I put in. And that's a really

1302
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 13: difficult thing for an athlete, for a leader, for a

1303
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 13: football player to be able to comprehend and still be

1304
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 13: able to put out their best performance. And I think

1305
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 13: we saw a little bit of that from Miles in

1306
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 13: this game over the weekend, because he was slamming his

1307
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 13: helmet down. He was frustrated feeling that, you know what,

1308
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 13: I had five sacks in this game at a forest

1309
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 13: fulb I had six tackles. What else can I do?

1310
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,439
Speaker 13: And we're still getting blown out? And for a defensive player,

1311
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 13: it's got to be even more difficult than for me

1312
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 13: when I was an offensive lineman, because I get that

1313
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 13: as a lineman, I can only.

1314
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 7: Block the guy that's across from me.

1315
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 13: But typically on defense, especially a pass rusher, you feel

1316
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 13: like you have more impact on the outcome of a

1317
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 13: game because I can get to the quarterback, I can

1318
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 13: knock the football loose, I can make big turnover worthy plays,

1319
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 13: I can get the ball back to my offense. And

1320
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 13: to feel like you've done everything that you possibly can

1321
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 13: and the game still isn't even close that's a really

1322
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 13: difficult thing mentally, and you could hear from the comments

1323
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 13: that Miles had after the game that he's struggling with

1324
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 13: those things, and so, you know, you hope that he's

1325
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 13: got somebody in his life that he can talk to,

1326
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 13: because really, how I was able to get over it

1327
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 13: was honestly just talking to people that are important in

1328
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 13: my life, talking to my wife, talking a little bit

1329
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 13: to some my parents, some of my close friends that

1330
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 13: were on the team, talking to the psychologist with the Browns,

1331
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 13: and just just that ability to talk and just kind

1332
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 13: of let some of that emotion out allowed me to

1333
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 13: steer myself back and focus on all right, it's okay,

1334
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,479
Speaker 13: I need to focus on me being the best version

1335
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 13: of myself and do everything I can to be a

1336
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 13: great servant to help my teammates, but understanding that, you

1337
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 13: know what, even if I do everything I possibly can,

1338
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 13: it might not lead to a victory, and being able

1339
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 13: to sort of separate that emotion from what I need

1340
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 13: to do to be the best version of myself to

1341
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 13: fulfill my contract to make my teammates in a best

1342
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 13: position possible that they can to succeed, give the fans

1343
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 13: everything that they deserve, but understanding that there is a

1344
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 13: dislocation between my performance and the performance of the team,

1345
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 13: and still finding a.

1346
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 7: Way to motivate yourself. It's really really difficult.

1347
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 13: Then you hope that Miles has those people in his

1348
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 13: life so he is able to continue to motivate himself

1349
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 13: so we can continue to get the performances that we

1350
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 13: got from him over the weekend. But I think the

1351
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 13: best thing that will help him is to have a

1352
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 13: little bit better offensive performance so that he can feel

1353
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,439
Speaker 13: like I do have impact on the game. Because I've

1354
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 13: said this in the past, defensive players they have to

1355
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 13: give a lot more than an offensive player does from

1356
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 13: an effort and an energy standpoint on each play because

1357
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 13: you have to sprint to the ball. Not only do

1358
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 13: you have to beat your man up front, but then

1359
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 13: when the ball goes downfield, you've got to sprint to

1360
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 13: that ball with everything you have. You have to play

1361
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 13: with a different level of emotion, with your hair on

1362
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 13: fire than an offensive player who plays much more under control.

1363
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 13: It's much more measured violence than it is from a

1364
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 13: defensive player that has to have that little bit of unglued,

1365
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 13: unhinged mentality in his brain to be able to go

1366
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 13: out and play, and so finding that why for him,

1367
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 13: I think is going to be really important moving forward,

1368
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 13: so we can continue to see that great effort.

1369
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 4: You meant, yeah, I mean what he's doing.

1370
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 3: Last year he led the league with twenty two tackles

1371
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 3: for a loss and he's got fifteen already this season.

1372
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 3: I mean that is wild to me, the way that

1373
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 3: he's performing. You mentioned kind of the offense. Have you

1374
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 3: were you ever on a team where there was all

1375
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 3: of a sudden some you know, resentment one side of

1376
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 3: the ball to the other, because at some point you

1377
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 3: know that you have nine points in the first half

1378
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 3: and then getting blown out. It's kind of the same thing.

1379
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 3: Gave up ten points in the first half in Baltimore,

1380
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 3: and you know even in Detroit you played well defensively

1381
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 3: early on in that game. How do you keep that

1382
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 3: from happening? Because I would imagine at some point it's like,

1383
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 3: we're out here, to your point, killing ourselves. We're performing

1384
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 3: at a high level. We were, you know, the number

1385
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 3: one defense in the league prior to last week, and

1386
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 3: it we're still getting blown out.

1387
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's a tough thing.

1388
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 13: I think I have been on those teams where the

1389
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 13: defense is coming off the field because they made a

1390
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 13: stop and they're giving you dirty looks, you know, And

1391
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 13: when you're going on the field, you go out, you

1392
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 13: get a three and out and you're jogging off and

1393
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 13: the punt team's coming on and you see the defense

1394
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 13: standing over there. They're still exhausted from the last drive

1395
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 13: because they were just on the field three or four

1396
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 13: minutes ago, and you go three and out and they're

1397
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 13: wornn out, thinking, hey man, we just give it everything

1398
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 13: we got. We're getting stops, we're getting you the ball back.

1399
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 13: Give us a little chance to regroup, catch our breath

1400
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 13: on the sideline. And it's difficult to balance that because

1401
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 13: really the only thing that can improve that feeling, that

1402
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 13: relationship between offense and defenses is if the offense goes

1403
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 13: out and does their job better. And it can get

1404
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 13: ugly at times, but I think that's where leadership within

1405
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 13: the defensive room starting from where the defensive coordinator gives

1406
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 13: that message of guys.

1407
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 7: We need to worry about who we are.

1408
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 13: And I think one of the things that they can

1409
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 13: point to is those rankings. And you know, we all

1410
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 13: all want to talk about it as a team game. You

1411
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 13: shouldn't worry about statistics and stuff, But when you feel

1412
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 13: like your offense isn't pulling their weight, what are the

1413
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 13: things that you can get your guys motivated with. It's, hey,

1414
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 13: we have pride because we're the number one defense or

1415
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 13: we're a top five defense. These are the goals that

1416
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 13: we have, and those are the things that you want

1417
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 13: to try to achieve and that you want to try

1418
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 13: to harp on. And that's really important, I think for

1419
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 13: the leaders, the players, and defensive coaches to really make

1420
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,439
Speaker 13: sure that they try to nip that in the butt

1421
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 13: as quickly as they can so that they don't allow

1422
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 13: it to become more of a thing where it's offense

1423
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 13: versus defense. It's defense worrying about what the offense is

1424
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 13: doing and getting pissed off of them because they're not

1425
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 13: holding up there into the bargain, because that's obviously a

1426
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 13: dangerous dynamic. And on top of that, you do have

1427
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 13: this great defense that you don't want them focusing their

1428
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 13: energy on what the offense is doing and worrying about

1429
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:41,479
Speaker 13: how poorly they're performing and having this grudge against those guys,

1430
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 13: because then it's going to take away from what they

1431
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 13: have to do and the focus that they need to

1432
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 13: go out and to continue to play great football.

1433
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 2: There on defense, it illustrates everything hoffs just saying they're

1434
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 2: folks out there listening. It illustrates just how difficult it

1435
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 2: can be at times to be a professional athlete. Right,

1436
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 2: we want out of all of you is we want

1437
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 2: you to win, We want you to be great teammates,

1438
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 2: we want you to put team above all. But in

1439
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 2: the meantime, sometimes all you can hang on to amidst

1440
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 2: struggles is personal individual success and goals and goals, and

1441
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 2: that goes against everything that we're taught. Team sports are

1442
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 2: supposed to be about. But what do you expect them

1443
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 2: to do. You have to find your joy somewhere. You

1444
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 2: have to find your individual success somewhere amidst team failure.

1445
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 2: It's a brutal ask. You can only control what you

1446
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 2: can control. It's it you can't play offense.

1447
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 13: No, Yeah, you got to find the why, right, And

1448
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 13: for a defensive player, it's easy to say the why

1449
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 13: is winning. But when it's pretty obvious that you don't

1450
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,439
Speaker 13: have the makeup to be able to win. And let's

1451
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 13: say you're playing the game like last weekend, it's two

1452
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 13: or three score difference in the game already. If you're saying, yeah,

1453
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:50,439
Speaker 13: I'm going out and playing hard because I want to win,

1454
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 13: it's like, okay, well that's not really realistic. Anybody who's

1455
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 13: played sports knows that the comeback ain't happening right now.

1456
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 13: So what am I doing to go out on that

1457
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 13: field and telling myself that gives me the best chance

1458
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 13: to give everything I have on every play? And you

1459
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 13: know what, sometimes that is individual accomplishments, individual statistics, team

1460
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 13: from a defensive team standpoint of rankings. Right, those are

1461
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 13: the things we have pride in. We can hold that

1462
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 13: up and say this is what we're fighting for right now,

1463
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 13: and you hope that maybe next week the offense figures

1464
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 13: it out it's a closer game. You feel like maybe

1465
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 13: that's our why right now. But if that's not why

1466
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 13: in the moment, is winning as a team, well, let's

1467
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 13: win as a defense. And that is looking at the statistics,

1468
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 13: looking at the individual statistics, looking at my own grade sheet.

1469
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 7: Right.

1470
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 13: For me, that was a lot of things that I

1471
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 13: focused on towards the end of my career, going you know,

1472
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 13: one in fifteen and then zero to sixteen my last

1473
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 13: two years. It's like me versus my grade sheet. That's

1474
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 13: my evaluation. That's what I go out there and I

1475
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 13: play for is to try to be perfect every single

1476
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 13: week because I know if I do that, I've given

1477
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 13: my teammates around me the best chance of success. And

1478
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 13: then it's up to them to hold up their end

1479
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 13: of the bargain. And if they don't, I can't get

1480
01:07:57,560 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 13: so worried about what they're doing because it's only going

1481
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 13: to affect me negatively.

1482
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you go into this bye week now, and

1483
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 3: obviously we haven't like just come out and said, but

1484
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 3: we know.

1485
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 4: The offense of the Cleveland Browns is struggling. What have

1486
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 4: you seen?

1487
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 3: And are you surprised that you know we're in many cases,

1488
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 3: I guess you'd say we are staying the course in

1489
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 3: terms of what we're doing at the quarterback position and offensively.

1490
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 13: I think you heard some of the frustration from Wyatt

1491
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,639
Speaker 13: after the game. He kind of heard him talking about

1492
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:28,719
Speaker 13: not being able to throw the football down the field,

1493
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 13: not threatening a defense deep And I would say, you know,

1494
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 13: as they're self scouting, it's not like this is some

1495
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 13: great revelation like we haven't thrown the ball down the field.

1496
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 13: We haven't been able to hit our receivers. But you

1497
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 13: can send some of that frustration bubbling up amongst the offense,

1498
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 13: amongst the receivers, amongst the linemen in the running game,

1499
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 13: because it's hard to have a consistently good running game

1500
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,759
Speaker 13: if you aren't able to push the ball down the field.

1501
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 13: And now certainly it's not without blame on the offensive

1502
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,600
Speaker 13: line for not doing a better job blocking in the

1503
01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:59,879
Speaker 13: run game or in some of the passing game situation,

1504
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 13: but just being able to have a few shots down

1505
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 13: the field to successfully get explosive plays. I think is

1506
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 13: going to be so important to find a way to

1507
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 13: get those moving forward after this bye week, because if

1508
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:12,640
Speaker 13: we're never going to be able to push the ball

1509
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 13: down the field, we're never hitting our receivers down the field,

1510
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 13: then what you're going to have is receivers that don't

1511
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 13: want to give that full effort, right, They don't want

1512
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 13: to be running for the love of the game, go

1513
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 13: routes all game long, if they're not even getting looked

1514
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 13: at just the same way that the offensive line is

1515
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 13: feeling like sometimes they're running their head into the wall.

1516
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 13: When you have extra safeties and you've got different defenses,

1517
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 13: that are putting more guys in the box that take

1518
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 13: away to run game because they're not worried about the

1519
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 13: ball getting thrown over the top of their heads. And

1520
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 13: so I think from an offensive standpoint, figuring out who

1521
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 13: or what that looks like to be able to push

1522
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 13: the ball and to be able to hit explosive plays

1523
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,480
Speaker 13: in the passing game is going to be so important

1524
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 13: moving forward coming out of this bye week.

1525
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're going to have to lean on

1526
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 2: like Billy Muskrave. You got to lean on guys who

1527
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 2: have been there. I mean, because it's this quarterback room.

1528
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it's got to be the youngest in the league.

1529
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 2: It has to be. I mean, Tennessee's is really young too,

1530
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 2: But cam Moorden was the number one pick in the draft.

1531
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 2: This isn't that situation. We got a third round pick,

1532
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:11,719
Speaker 2: a fifth round pick, and Bailey's appy. That's the room.

1533
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 2: So there isn't a veteran that can come in and

1534
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 2: be like, all right, let's just stabilize this a little bit.

1535
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 2: And so the solution is going to have to come

1536
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 2: from within, and you're just going to have to rely

1537
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:25,719
Speaker 2: on Kevin and Billy and hope that they can find

1538
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 2: some sort of answer to all of this, but all

1539
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 2: of it Mary's doesn't at half. I mean, we don't

1540
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 2: protect particularly well, we don't separate very well at receiver,

1541
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 2: and then schematically everything is really underneath. Zee had a

1542
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 2: great line yesterday said, look, it feels like to play

1543
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 2: the whole game in the red zone. That's basically what

1544
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 2: these games feel like.

1545
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 13: Which is so hard. We always talk about how difficult

1546
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 13: it is when you get into the red zone. You

1547
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 13: have to run the ball because the windows are so tight,

1548
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 13: and for a young quarterback to be able to find

1549
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 13: consistent windows underneath in the red zone, that's really hard, right,

1550
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 13: because the coverage stickire. You don't have to defend sixty

1551
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:01,600
Speaker 13: seventy yards, so the safeties are closer. There's just not

1552
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 13: as many places to throw the ball, and so if

1553
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 13: you don't ever push the ball in the open field

1554
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 13: right then you are going to get those red zone

1555
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:12,959
Speaker 13: defenses and the entire length of the field becomes really difficult.

1556
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 7: Every yard to get is.

1557
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 13: So difficult, and I think typically when you have a

1558
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 13: wide open offense, it's not as hard to go from

1559
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 13: your own thirty to the fifty or the forty yard line.

1560
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 13: It's just those red zone defenses that tighten up because

1561
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 13: you don't have as many windows. You got to rely

1562
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 13: on running the ball a little bit more, You got

1563
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 13: to rely on your quarterback extending plays to find time

1564
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 13: to get those windows open. And so I think that

1565
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 13: they have just got to find a way to be

1566
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 13: able to open up the field and push it down

1567
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 13: the field because going the long, hard way in the

1568
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 13: NFL is already hard enough, and then when you have

1569
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 13: to do it four or five six yards at a time,

1570
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 13: it's just an impossible task to think that we can

1571
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 13: consistently go down the field and get scores if we

1572
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 13: can't get any explosive plays over the top. And the

1573
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 13: explosive plays can always come from the run game, because

1574
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,679
Speaker 13: as we mentioned, defenses are getting even tighter and closer

1575
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 13: towards the line of scrimmage and adding players, so your

1576
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 13: opportunity to hit those explosive runs are just not going

1577
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 13: to be there quite as much.

1578
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 3: And he can't just throw it for the sake of throwing,

1579
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 3: because I feel like the one time he actually did

1580
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 3: throw the ball, vertically threw it into double coverage and

1581
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 3: it was intercepted. It's got to be you know, it's smart, aggressive,

1582
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 3: and I think that's what Kevin Stefanski said. I don't

1583
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 3: know when you watch the tape, there are a couple

1584
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 3: of plays every game where Isaiah Bond typically he's the

1585
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 3: one is behind the defense and it's usually i mean

1586
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 3: usually not thrown to him one.

1587
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's it's tough.

1588
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 3: And then you wonder does that become Is that a

1589
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 3: quarterback issue? Is that a scheme issue? Is it a

1590
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 3: protection issue? Is it a receiver issues? At all of

1591
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 3: the above. And I think that's kind of way that

1592
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 3: everything has been couched right now. But you know, as

1593
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 3: you kind of look at the final nine games, you know,

1594
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 3: one of the things that you wanted to at least

1595
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 3: have an idea coming out of the season is do

1596
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 3: you have an in the house solution at quarterback? And

1597
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:56,879
Speaker 3: it's either Dylan Gabriel or should were Sanders or potentially

1598
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 3: now down later in the season, Deshaun I.

1599
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, so he's healthy, play him.

1600
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 4: That's where you're at.

1601
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 3: So it almost feels to me like you've got nine

1602
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 3: games now, you've had four with Gabriel already. You know,

1603
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 3: what does that look like? Does he have one more game,

1604
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 3: two more games? Three more games. At what point do

1605
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 3: you say, Okay, let's see now this is either working

1606
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 3: or not. Let's see shaudor now working or not, Let's

1607
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 3: see to shot again. I don't know, because you thought

1608
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 3: if they were going to make it change to me,

1609
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 3: I would have felt like this would have been a

1610
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 3: natural time with the bye we give, you know, should

1611
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 3: or two weeks se get right now we don't even

1612
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 3: know if he's healthy enough because he couldn't even be

1613
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 3: the backup quarterback against the Patriots with his back injury.

1614
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 2: Right, No, I mean it's yeah, I mean it has

1615
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 2: to get answered. And the thing that I think is

1616
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 2: tricky Hoff is like, you know, if Dylan's a third

1617
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:46,600
Speaker 2: round pick, right, so if they thought he would be

1618
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 2: a franchise quarterback, you take it in the third round.

1619
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 2: He wouldn't be a third round pick if you thought

1620
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,520
Speaker 2: he could be that. Like, that's such a huge disconnect,

1621
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 2: And I think sometimes there is this. The thing that's

1622
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 2: annoyed me a little bit with all of this is

1623
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 2: I think people are are making it personal with Dylan

1624
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 2: as if he were Kenny Pickett, as if he were

1625
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 2: a former first round pick who we brought in here

1626
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 2: to play at a certain level. He's a third round

1627
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 2: pick that you view as a long term solution at

1628
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 2: backup and a guy who if maybe there's more to him,

1629
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 2: who knows, but we've seen him now for a few games.

1630
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 2: If they thought he could be the answer at quarterback

1631
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 2: long term here, they would have taken him fifth overall

1632
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 2: or second overall before we traded it.

1633
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,600
Speaker 4: And Shader's a fifth rounder correct. Whole league passed on

1634
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 4: him multiple times. So like, you're not holding back Baker

1635
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 4: Mayfield here, No, you know what I mean, Like, that's

1636
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 4: not what this was. You're not holding back the number

1637
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 4: one pick.

1638
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 2: And so that's the thing that's so tricky, and I

1639
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 2: think you have that's the other part, Hoffin. You've been

1640
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:41,679
Speaker 2: in these rooms when you got these young quarterbacks. It's

1641
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 2: so hard on the vets. I mean, I think of Buttonio,

1642
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 2: I think of we talked about Miles already. I mean,

1643
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 2: all of that just makes this so difficult because you

1644
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 2: can do all your things individually, but then you're also

1645
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 2: trying to like bring a young quarterback along and it's

1646
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 2: a tough spot.

1647
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 13: It's a really tough spot because you feel like you're

1648
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,560
Speaker 13: leaving a lot of plays on the field. You're handicapping

1649
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 13: your offense a little bit with maybe not throwing the

1650
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 13: football down the field. And I think that's the real

1651
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 13: question mark, is you know, at what point do they say, Hey,

1652
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 13: we've seen enough with Dylan Gabriel, we feel like we

1653
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 13: know where he is right now, and then now we

1654
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 13: got to answer the question for next season because we

1655
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 13: do have those two first round draft choices and we

1656
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 13: need to be able to see Chaduur at some point

1657
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 13: to get an evaluation on where he is. And I

1658
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 13: know that they want to make sure that he understands

1659
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 13: the offense well enough to be able to protect himself

1660
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:31,680
Speaker 13: so he can get the ball out on time, and

1661
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:34,719
Speaker 13: that he's not running around and creating huge negative plays

1662
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 13: for his team, but also taking big hits on himself,

1663
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 13: which you don't want to see a player like that

1664
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,839
Speaker 13: get hurt. And so you hope that at some point

1665
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 13: they feel comfortable enough and he's healthy enough and he

1666
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 13: understands the offense enough where he can start delivering the

1667
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:51,520
Speaker 13: football on time and he can operate the offense efficiently

1668
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 13: so that we're able to get the other guys the

1669
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 13: ball as well. To see what some of those other

1670
01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 13: younger players especially at receiver, and you know with fan

1671
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 13: in what they can continue to do to develop. But

1672
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 13: I think you're right, like at some point there's enough

1673
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 13: frustration with the direction that the offense is headed within

1674
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 13: the team, right the guys on defense that are playing great,

1675
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:14,799
Speaker 13: the guys on offense that maybe are playing great football

1676
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 13: or good football, and they're holding up there into the

1677
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 13: bargain where you say, hey, we need to make a

1678
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,719
Speaker 13: change and figure out, you know what else we have here,

1679
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 13: and that if maybe a change does spark something on

1680
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 13: that offense to create something that a defense is frightened about,

1681
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 13: and that can potentially open.

1682
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 7: Up some of the other guys. Because I look at

1683
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 7: a guy like.

1684
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 13: Quin Shawn and who's done an amazing job, and I

1685
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 13: think he's been everything and more that you wanted when

1686
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 13: you drafted him, But it becomes more difficult for him

1687
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 13: each week that he's banging his head against a seven

1688
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 13: and an eight man front because we aren't able to

1689
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 13: open it up enough. And so just having the threat

1690
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 13: of having a quarterback that is willing to throw the

1691
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:54,719
Speaker 13: football down the field and hit some of our speedy

1692
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 13: receivers will really help him. And so I think the

1693
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 13: frustration from all those positions is kind of boiling up

1694
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 13: right now to the point where the question is going

1695
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 13: to get answered or getting get asked every single week

1696
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 13: about Hey, at what point do you put your door

1697
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 13: in there and find out what he has and see

1698
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 13: if he can answer some of these questions and create

1699
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 13: an offense that's at least dangerous and unpredictable enough for

1700
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 13: a defense to give all those other guys that are

1701
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:21,839
Speaker 13: out there an opportunity for success.

1702
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 3: All right, trade deadline's coming up a week from today.

1703
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 3: Is that something that's talked about in the locker room

1704
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 3: when you're in a situation like we are right now,

1705
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 3: and you mentioned that there's some frustration. We know your

1706
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:38,600
Speaker 3: story that you had an opportunity to go to Denver potentially.

1707
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:41,719
Speaker 3: You know, is this something that's talked about to guys.

1708
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 3: Is there could guys go and say, hey, give me

1709
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 3: a chance to compete. I don't have that many years

1710
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 3: left in the tank. You know, how does how does

1711
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 3: that actually play out?

1712
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 13: I don't think that that specifically has talked about all

1713
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 13: that much in the locker room. I think the conversations

1714
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 13: in the locker room before a trade deadline are much

1715
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 13: more or vibrant when it's Hey, we're right on the

1716
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 13: cusp of being a playoff team. There's an obvious need

1717
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 13: at a position. There's a guy out there that might

1718
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 13: fill that need. Hey, that's the conversation, Hey, are we

1719
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 13: going to bring this guy in? Who knows him, Let's

1720
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 13: talk to him. Let's see if we can maybe persuade

1721
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:20,600
Speaker 13: the teams and the player to make some type of

1722
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 13: a move at the trade deadline, because we feel like

1723
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:24,600
Speaker 13: we're one player away from being able to make a

1724
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 13: run and getting into the playoffs. I think the situation

1725
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 13: they're in right now where it's not like we're one

1726
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 13: player away on offense, and typically going into the trade deadline,

1727
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 13: there's not that many players that are available that potentially

1728
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 13: you could make a move for. And where the Browns

1729
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:43,639
Speaker 13: sit in this situation of rebuilding and building for the future,

1730
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 13: it's not like they would give up a lot of

1731
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 13: draft capital for any certain player, because it's not like

1732
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 13: that guy would move the dial enough right now to

1733
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 13: give up what you would need to be able to get.

1734
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 7: That player in here.

1735
01:18:56,120 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 13: But much more of a conversation about, like, hey, Arth,

1736
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 13: the Brown's going to deal some of the guys that

1737
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 13: we have right now that have draft capital and equity

1738
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 13: that aren't going to be part of the long term

1739
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 13: future of this team. But I think those are more

1740
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 13: individual conversations that maybe a player would have with his

1741
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 13: agent that potentially would have with the team than something

1742
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 13: that would get talked about in the locker room.

1743
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 2: It's just got a loom and we heard that report

1744
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 2: from Chef for a couple of weeks, so he thinks

1745
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 2: it's going to be the busiest trade deadline, you know,

1746
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 2: maybe ever in the NFL, and some big names, so

1747
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 2: you just never know. You never know, and I'm sure

1748
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 2: people will be calling us. I mean we think of

1749
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,640
Speaker 2: Joel obviously, and you think at his stage in his

1750
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:36,640
Speaker 2: career and hoff you were in that circumstance, you know

1751
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 2: exactly if that happens next week, you know exactly what

1752
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 2: that's like when you're being and I'm guessing the same

1753
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 2: courtesy would be extended to him as was extended to you.

1754
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,639
Speaker 2: Do you want this? What do you think? And that's

1755
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 2: a tough decision. I would imagine to be in that

1756
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 2: spot and have that thrust upon.

1757
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 7: You, absolutely, especially for a guy like Joel.

1758
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 13: You know, I was in his shoes, not at the

1759
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 13: end of my career, but more towards the middle of

1760
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 13: my career. And he's been here in Cleveland his entire life.

1761
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 13: He never expected to go anywhere else. He re signed here,

1762
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 13: he decided to come back for at least one more season,

1763
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 13: and he wanted to stay in Cleveland. And you know,

1764
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 13: how much does he value finishing his career in the

1765
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 13: place that he started.

1766
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1767
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 13: I haven't had those conversations with him, because the conversations

1768
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 13: I always had with him were never about like, Hey,

1769
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 13: should I go somewhere else? It was more, hey, do

1770
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 13: I want to come back and play another season? You know,

1771
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 13: I'm feeling like I'm getting older, my body's hurting a

1772
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 13: little bit more. You know, do I want to continue

1773
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 13: to do this thing that is so amazing and it's

1774
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 13: every kid's dream.

1775
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 7: But at some point it ends? But you know it

1776
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 7: is It is a.

1777
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 13: Tough conversation to have because obviously there's more people that

1778
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 13: have a stake in that, say, than just you and

1779
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 13: your agent and the team. It's like, you know, you

1780
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 13: have a family, You've got a wife and kids, and

1781
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 13: they're deeply involved in the community. So the decision has

1782
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 13: a lot of layers, and you know, you you get

1783
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 13: thrust into this situation right before the trade deadline with

1784
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 13: a week or or a few days to go, where

1785
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 13: it's like, we got to be able to make a

1786
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 13: decision on this. So you hope that you've at least

1787
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 13: had a chance to talk to the important people in

1788
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 13: your life going into it, so you have a pretty

1789
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 13: good idea of like, is this something we feel like

1790
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 13: we want to go maybe finish somewhere else where they

1791
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:17,680
Speaker 13: have a chance to make the playoffs and make a

1792
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 13: run and get a championship and get a ring, Or

1793
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 13: is it something where you'd rather continue to be here

1794
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 13: and help try to develop the guys around you and

1795
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 13: then find a different reason to play the game. Like

1796
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 13: for me, it was, you know, towards the end of

1797
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 13: my career, I didn't want to be traded because I

1798
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 13: felt like we had a lot of good young players.

1799
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 13: You know, I got to play with Miles at the

1800
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 13: end of my career, and I felt like, hey, I

1801
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:40,839
Speaker 13: can be impactful from a leadership standpoint, from a mentor

1802
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 13: standpoint to a lot of these young guys to help

1803
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 13: maybe build a foundation for a great future.

1804
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 7: Right.

1805
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 13: That was sort of my line of thinking in my

1806
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 13: last couple of seasons, and you wonder where Joel's head

1807
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:55,599
Speaker 13: is on that, because I haven't had those conversations with him.

1808
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 4: It's gonna be wild.

1809
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 3: And yeah, you're right, there are a lot of a

1810
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 3: lot of people would be impacted, even if it is

1811
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:04,799
Speaker 3: just a short term thing, you know, to go someplace

1812
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 3: for the rest of this year.

1813
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 4: Uh, yeah, there's a lot there.

1814
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 3: It's it's wild, and it's it's kind of it stinks

1815
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 3: on in large part. You know, the AFC North is

1816
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:20,640
Speaker 3: down right now, decidedly down that we're even having these conversations,

1817
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 3: you know, because unfortunately we sit it two and six

1818
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 3: and we've had opportunities. I mean, it comes out now

1819
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 3: that Carson Wentz beat us with one arm.

1820
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.

1821
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 4: Literally, like that does not exaggeration at all.

1822
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 3: And you say to yourself, Man, if we could have

1823
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:36,600
Speaker 3: just gotten that one man, if we just made the

1824
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 3: kicks against Cincy, if we were four and four right now,

1825
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 3: four and four, you're a half game out of first

1826
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 3: in the AFC North. It's just it's unfortunate that this

1827
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 3: is the situation that we're that we're in where you

1828
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 3: even have to even think about things like that. It's

1829
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 3: not a question really, we're just to say no.

1830
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:54,719
Speaker 2: But it goes back to what we were talking about

1831
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 2: Baltimore sitting there two and five in the North. We

1832
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 2: feel like and it feels like they're gonna win it off.

1833
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 2: If you look at their.

1834
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 13: Schedule, it's a really crazy year in the North. And

1835
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 13: I'm trying to reflect back. I mean, since I got

1836
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 13: in the league in two thousand and seven till now,

1837
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 13: I can't remember a year where THEFC North just felt like.

1838
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:11,639
Speaker 7: It was so down.

1839
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,680
Speaker 13: And obviously a lot of it's been the injury to

1840
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 13: Joe Burrow, the injury to Lamar Jackson, the ineffectiveness of

1841
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 13: the Steelers defense. It's things that you know, we just

1842
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:25,679
Speaker 13: really aren't used to seeing in this division that's always

1843
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 13: so tough, the Black and Blue division of the AFC,

1844
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 13: and to feel like it was so wide open and

1845
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:35,640
Speaker 13: really anybody's for the taking, it's frustrating.

1846
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 7: I mean, that's all you.

1847
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 13: Can say, right because it told me at the beginning

1848
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:41,559
Speaker 13: of the season, going through training camp, when we had

1849
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 13: Flacco at quarterback that like, hey, if we were five hundred,

1850
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:45,599
Speaker 13: we'd have a chance to win the division.

1851
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 7: I'd say Damn. I like that. I like our chances.

1852
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 13: I feel like really good with this great defense and

1853
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 13: with Flacco veteran quarterback, like we're going to be able

1854
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 13: to squeak out some games. We can be right there

1855
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 13: at five hundred. So to sit where we are right now,

1856
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 13: it's just a bad feeling. It's frustrat And then on

1857
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 13: top of that, you pile the fact that.

1858
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 7: The AFC North is anybody's.

1859
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:06,679
Speaker 13: For the taking really right now, and there's no clear

1860
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 13: favorite other than like you said that, the Ravens, who

1861
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 13: are yeah, two and five looking very good themselves, but

1862
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 13: they know Lamar is coming back here pretty soon and

1863
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 13: they've got an easy schedule the rest of the way, You're.

1864
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 7: Going, Man, what the heck? How did we get into

1865
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 7: the situation that we're in right now?

1866
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 2: Let's do the Trench Report. It's brought to you by

1867
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 2: Big Fig, the mattress made for More crafted in Cleveland,

1868
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 2: just like our Browns. We talked a lot about miles

1869
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 2: off the top. One other thing, and you you mentioned

1870
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 2: this on Monday show, so I'm gonna give you full

1871
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 2: credit on this. But he said the Brown single game

1872
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 2: record five sacks and a force fumble six tackles ten

1873
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 2: sacks on the season. He joins Reggie White and John

1874
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:43,600
Speaker 2: Randall is the only players with the ten sacks in

1875
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 2: eight straight seasons. He's also the most sacks prior to

1876
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 2: his thirtieth birthday. He's got one hundred and twelve point five.

1877
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 2: Reggie White at one o eight, Jared Allen at one

1878
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 2: oh five, TJ. Watt at one oh one. So that's it.

1879
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 2: That's the list. You said something yesterday though, that I

1880
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 2: want to get hosts take on because I think this

1881
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 2: makes this statistic even more astonishing. How many snaps has

1882
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett taken at defensive end where his team has

1883
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 2: a two score lead. Juck, suppose that to Reggie White

1884
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 2: in Philly and then in Green Bay. Think about Jared

1885
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,599
Speaker 2: Allen in Minnesota, was on a lot of really, really

1886
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 2: really good teams there. And think about TJ. Watt in

1887
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh where all they do is have winning records every

1888
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 2: year every year.

1889
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 13: It's amazing, It's truly amazing. I think back to my

1890
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 13: own career and how much more difficult it was when

1891
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 13: you're playing from behind and you're in the two minute

1892
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 13: drill and those guys on defense they're pinning their ears back.

1893
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 7: They know one thing, like, Hey, this is my.

1894
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 13: Chance to get sacks to get the stats that I

1895
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 13: need to get the contract that I want. And it

1896
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 13: is so tough because they're not playing the run. They

1897
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:46,600
Speaker 13: don't care, they know where the quarterback is going to be.

1898
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 13: It's not like you're running boots and outside zone play

1899
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 13: action stuff like they're just rushing the passer in one

1900
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 13: on one pass rush, which that is a drill that

1901
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 13: is set up for the defense to win. And that's

1902
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 13: when you look at I would love somebody in the

1903
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 13: analytics world to go over all the stats, all the

1904
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 13: sacks in the last twenty thirty years and figure out

1905
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 13: how many of those sacks came when the defense had

1906
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 13: the lead and it was the second half of the

1907
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 13: game and they were just able to pin their years back,

1908
01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 13: and the offense knew they had to hold onto the

1909
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 13: football and they were willing to take a sack to

1910
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:20,759
Speaker 13: risk being able to throw the football down the field

1911
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 13: to get a score. And the fact that Miles is

1912
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:26,559
Speaker 13: getting the majority of these sacks and games that we're

1913
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 13: losing and the offense doesn't have to hold onto the

1914
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 13: football is just mind boggling.

1915
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 7: Because it's so hard.

1916
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:37,640
Speaker 13: You rarely ever see sacks when your team is in

1917
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:39,679
Speaker 13: the lead because you just don't want to take sacks

1918
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 13: in those situations. You don't want the quarterback to get hit,

1919
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 13: you don't want the ball to go backwards. So typically

1920
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:46,880
Speaker 13: you're running the football, you're throwing quick game, you're running

1921
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:49,560
Speaker 13: play action stuff, and the quarterbacks saying, hey, I'm just

1922
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 13: getting the ball out of my hand because we don't

1923
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 13: need to hold onto it and we don't need to score.

1924
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 13: It's just almost impossible for me to comprehend Miles getting

1925
01:26:57,200 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 13: the level of sacks that he's getting when his team

1926
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:00,719
Speaker 13: is not winning.

1927
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:01,639
Speaker 4: Well.

1928
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:03,679
Speaker 3: I know, one of the things that the Pittsburgh people

1929
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:05,840
Speaker 3: when it was always Watt and Garrett would be like, oh, TJ.

1930
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:08,679
Speaker 3: Watson closer, and how his third and fourth quartersack numbers

1931
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 3: were so great and Miles was weren't that great. It

1932
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 3: totally goes to what you're talking about in game script.

1933
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 3: But you know, you almost wonder Miles probably has the

1934
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:19,719
Speaker 3: most sacks in the first half of anybody like ever

1935
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 3: in terms of as a percentage of his sack and

1936
01:27:22,439 --> 01:27:23,680
Speaker 3: you think if he was on a good team, like

1937
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 3: maybe you certainly should be able to extrapolate what he

1938
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 3: did in a neutral game script to the second half

1939
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 3: if we was on a good team, and he'd say, man,

1940
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 3: this guy could have been twenty sacks a year, because

1941
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 3: you know, he's going to be the only person ever

1942
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 3: to have six seasons in a row with fourteen or

1943
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 3: more sacks and doing that where he's had two winning

1944
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 3: seasons and then not just losing seasons, but significantly losing seasons.

1945
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Speaker 13: Yeah, that's why I said he's the most impactful defensive

1946
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 13: player certainly that I've ever seen that. And I know

1947
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:51,880
Speaker 13: there's plenty of great arguments. I was a huge Reggie

1948
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 13: White fan growing up. Lawrence Taylor obviously, the guys from

1949
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:57,640
Speaker 13: the eighties say that, you know, he was unstoppable. He

1950
01:27:57,640 --> 01:27:59,680
Speaker 13: was a different player. But these guys are playing on

1951
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:02,879
Speaker 13: Super Bowl teams and they're getting one on one matchups,

1952
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 13: which if you're one of the great defensive ends of

1953
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 13: all time and you get a one on one matchup,

1954
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 13: you're gonna win more of them than you lose. And

1955
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 13: for Miles to get sacks in the first half where

1956
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 13: he's getting double teamed, he's getting chips.

1957
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Speaker 7: It's so hard to win against the double team when

1958
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 7: you're the pass rusher.

1959
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Speaker 13: And it's so easy to win when it's one on one,

1960
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Speaker 13: and for him to win against double teams and chips,

1961
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Speaker 13: it's just it's really mind boggling because that just shows

1962
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 13: the level of talent and the level of invincibility that

1963
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:35,720
Speaker 13: he has as a pass rusher and his desire to

1964
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 13: get to the quarterback.

1965
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Speaker 2: All right, Hoff, we'll get you out of here on

1966
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 2: this one Halloween Friday. Favorite costume is a kid favorite candy,

1967
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 2: or it could be something else that maybe there was

1968
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 2: a Wisconsin thing. I mean we had there's a lady

1969
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:52,600
Speaker 2: who made homemade chocolate blaze donuts that we were in

1970
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 2: all around. We'd wait around the block to get them

1971
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 2: when we were a little kid. And one ladies, you would.

1972
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Speaker 4: Never accept it somebody made in their home.

1973
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Speaker 2: No I know, but I mean we did that.

1974
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Speaker 4: Beautiful.

1975
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Speaker 2: What do you got? Best costume, best best snack?

1976
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, best costume.

1977
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Speaker 13: I went, you know, as as a Green Bay Packer

1978
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 13: player one year as a kid, which was always really fun.

1979
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 13: One year I wore a gilly suit and went as

1980
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 13: like a sniper in the army, So I like that one.

1981
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Speaker 7: That was pretty fun. I think this year we're doing

1982
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 7: Mario Kart, So I'm gonna be Bowser, well appropriated Bowser

1983
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 7: with the kids, which will be fun.

1984
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Speaker 13: And I think my favorite Halloween candy was always Whoppers,

1985
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 13: which was a very controversial choice because I was that

1986
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 13: maulted milk ball and that crunch in the inside, and

1987
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 13: some people hate whoppers, which I'm okay with that. Give

1988
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 13: me your whoppers, I'm cool. I'll give you the M

1989
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 13: and ms and all those other things. But I was

1990
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:53,599
Speaker 13: talking with Annie, I think what we're gonna do this

1991
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:55,680
Speaker 13: year is try to give a little treat for the

1992
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 13: parents as well. So we'll give the kids candy, and

1993
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 13: then we're gonna have some Hall of Fame beefs to

1994
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 13: be able to get out to the adults, you know, because.

1995
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Speaker 4: I knew you were an adults.

1996
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Speaker 13: There were a beer and you know, maybe a flask

1997
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 13: under their costume.

1998
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Speaker 4: Which ones are you gonna give an apple chatter?

1999
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 2: I mean the beef sticks are.

2000
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Speaker 7: Yeah, you gotta give them the apple cheddar. Give the

2001
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 7: people what they want.

2002
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 4: You gotta give them the apple chatter. That's like dessert.

2003
01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 13: A long line of return customers from the parents side

2004
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:22,080
Speaker 13: of the holiday.

2005
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like, do we need I don't know if

2006
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 3: we got to that, I don't think mine was. I

2007
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 3: had a real jumpsuit. I was Maverick. Yeah, that was

2008
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 3: my babies. And my favorite treat now is what he

2009
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:33,720
Speaker 3: just said would be the Apple cheddar meet sticks. But

2010
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 3: as a kid, I snickers, butterfinger and Reese's Pieces like

2011
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:40,800
Speaker 3: pieces were unbelievable.

2012
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Speaker 2: Those dollars are great, all right, Buddy, enjoy the rest

2013
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Speaker 2: of the week. Thanks for your perspective and sharing. Buddy,

2014
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Speaker 2: always a good time talking to you. There it goes

2015
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Speaker 2: the Joe Thomas half hour of the program, and there

2016
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