1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:00,840 Speaker 1: Can't. 2 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 2: I am six forty. 3 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: You're listening to the John Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 4 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 2: Welcome. 5 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk, the conservative activist and media personality, was shot 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: dead today while on stage at Utah Valley University, an 7 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: event that his organization, Turning Point USA was sponsoring. He 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: was giving a presentation, he was taking question and answers 9 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: from the audience, and somebody from far off sniper fired 10 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: a bullet and got him in the neck, and he 11 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: died at the hospital a short time later. One of 12 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's closest outside advisors politically has organized a million 13 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: young people, by the millions to get involved in conservative 14 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: causes and supported Donald Trump. We'll talk more about that, 15 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: but first we're going to go to Josh mar Golan 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: from ABC News with the latest. 17 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: Josh, Hey, how are you? 18 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, it's it's another another episode of political violence today. 19 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 3: We all saw it on video. You know, it seems 20 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 3: to be one gun shot from an elevated position, and 21 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,639 Speaker 3: you know it proved to be fatal. 22 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of the most gruesome videos I've ever 23 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: seen in my life. That's curently traumatizing to look at. 24 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, people were actually wondering whether it was AI or 25 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 3: somehow computer generator or something. But law enforcement believes that 26 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 3: it's it's legit, and it's it's terribly legit, and we 27 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 3: know that there is no suspect in custody, though law 28 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 3: enforcement does appear to know or believe they know who 29 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 3: they're looking for. 30 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would imagine there must be plenty of cameras 31 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: at the university to track this doesn't appear that. 32 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 3: The shot at this point, doesn't appear the shot came 33 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 3: out of the crowd. Yeah, it's obviously to be cameras everywhere. 34 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 3: We live in a society where everything's on camera, and 35 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 3: that that just looking at the feeds the campus in 36 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 3: that section of the campus seems to be pretty modern, 37 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 3: so you know, with modern construction comes modern security. So 38 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 3: but it does look like the shot came to look 39 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 3: like to law enforcements. Just what do I know? But 40 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 3: law enforcement believes the shot came from far off, maybe 41 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 3: several hundred yards off in the distance, at an elevated position. 42 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: And we've seen that before. 43 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 3: You know, that's exactly the type of thing that happened 44 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 3: with President Trump with the assassination attempt on him in 45 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 3: Pennsylvania last year, and. 46 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: Very difficult to prevent, even. 47 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 3: Sean, you know, yes, yes, and no, you know it's 48 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 3: difficult to prevent if you don't properly secure the area. 49 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: I don't want to cast dispersions, and obviously there's going 50 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 3: to be an investigation, but if you and I know 51 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 3: that elevated positions can prove dangerous in a crowd situation, 52 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 3: then you block off the elevated position, right. I mean, 53 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 3: we've seen elevated positions being dangerous since the Kennedy assassination. 54 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I I you know, it seems like such a peaceful, 55 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: tranquil setting or in Utah at that university. Maybe it 56 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: just didn't occur to anybody that maybe. 57 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 3: But we do we do know going in it was 58 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 3: a very controversial event, and we have reports from the 59 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 3: crowd that it was not It was not simply a 60 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 3: crowd that was in love with that it was And 61 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 3: I don't want to cast this versions and I don't 62 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 3: want to suggest that somebody did something wrong, but we 63 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 3: do know that going in that the crowd was split. 64 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 3: There there was it was controversial that he was coming 65 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 3: to begin with, and we do know that there were 66 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: people in the crowd that were opposed to him, certainly 67 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 3: not the majority, but they were vocal and they were there, right, 68 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 3: and we know that it was a big crowd, So 69 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 3: so this was a controversial. We know that he had 70 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 3: security with him obviously. You know, as you say about 71 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 3: the location of the of the shooter, that it's entirely 72 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 3: possible that that his own security detail that he had 73 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 3: with him would not have been able to security the 74 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 3: elevated position off in the distance. But obviously the university's 75 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 3: police department or public safety agency would be aware of it, 76 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 3: certainly the local police department. So this was it does 77 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 3: seem like it's a beautiful tranquil environment, but this was 78 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 3: not going to be a tranquil event necessarily. 79 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 4: No. 80 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: I mean, he does like to engage with the other 81 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: side politically. He's known for having civil conversations, but some 82 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: of his views are come across as quite incendiary. 83 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And we're living in a time right now of 84 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:46,799 Speaker 3: of heightened anger and hostility, and the politics is both 85 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 3: a part of it and a result of it. You know, 86 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 3: it's chicken and egg kind of thing. But people are 87 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: angry out there. People are angry. Look in your community, 88 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 3: you see that there are people that are angry about 89 00:04:58,279 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 3: what's going. 90 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 5: On in of right now with the law enforce, deployments 91 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 5: of National guards, post law, all the all of this, 92 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 5: all right, Hang, hang on a second. 93 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: You started to break up badly, so, uh, let me 94 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: see what we can do about that. We're talking with 95 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: Josh Margolin with the ABC News about conservative media personality 96 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: and activist organizer Charlie Kirk shot and killed in front 97 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: of a large crowd on stage at Utah Valley University. 98 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: He was hosting an event there and sitting under acadopy, 99 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: speaking to hundreds of people through a microphone and answering 100 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: a question from the audience, and suddenly a loud pop 101 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: is heard and a bullet ripped through his neck and 102 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: Cornel Alla Times got him in the carotid artery, according 103 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: to their sources, and within I guess in a short 104 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: time he is declared dead at the hospital. I'm looking 105 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: at some video on CNN. It looked like they were 106 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: showing an overhead shot of the rooftop where perhaps the 107 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: assassin had had fired from the assassin's still on the loose. 108 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:23,239 Speaker 1: According to a Fox News source, Trump announced Charlie Kirk's 109 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: death Charlie Kirk was very much a very high profile 110 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: activist and advisor to Donald Trump. And we have any 111 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: luck reconnecting with Okay, we're gonna wait for him to 112 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: call back to give you an idea the According to 113 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: Matthew Body, a professor of rhetoric at the University of 114 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: North Georgia, he's written a forthcoming book about Christian nationalism 115 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: that features Charlie Kirk and his influence, and he said, 116 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk, as I would say, the most influential person 117 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: who doesn't work in the White House. And let's get 118 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: to Josh margoin back on. Yeah, yeah, Josh, So you 119 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: start breaking up badly there. 120 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 3: We guess we're talking about the political environment. I mean, 121 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 3: there's there's all the stuff that's going on and people 122 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 3: have these views, but we're living in this era of 123 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 3: political violence. You know, there was the attack on Governor 124 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 3: Shapiro's home in Pennsylvania. The first night had passover earlier 125 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 3: this year, we obviously have the two Trump attempted assassinations 126 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 3: last year. In fact, one of the guys in the 127 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 3: second the second attempt with Trump, the one where the 128 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: gunman didn't get a shot off. He's going on trial 129 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: in Florida this week. It's it's just this terrible period 130 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 3: right now. We had the shooting of the Israeli embassy 131 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 3: employees at the museum in the spring, and. 132 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: It seems to be these lone wolves who most of 133 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: the time are responsible for these shootings. 134 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 3: It certainly does, and that's what law enforcement says. And 135 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 3: the lone wolves are the hardest to defend against because 136 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: somebody who's planning something, there's no way to get inside 137 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 3: somebody's head, right so they end up going back. And 138 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 3: did the people leave trails for their family or friends 139 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 3: to let them know what they were doing? In some 140 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: cases yes, and obviously those are missignals. But in some 141 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 3: cases there's no way to know what somebody is intending 142 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 3: right now. I could have something in my mind. Just 143 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 3: because I'm thinking about what I'm having for dinner doesn't 144 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 3: mean that I'm not somebody who instead is thinking about 145 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 3: who I might want to hurt. That's the reality of it. 146 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and there's so much incendiary stuff and 147 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: nonsense online now with social media. I mean, there's a 148 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: lot of people who spend their days getting all wound 149 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: up and crazy against whatever the other side is in 150 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: their lives, and you know, it's made a lot of 151 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: people crazy. It's amplified all the natural insanity that human 152 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: beings have, and it's amplified a million times over now. 153 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 3: Right, and coming out of the pandemic, it's amplified even 154 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 3: beyond that. We were told by experts in sort of 155 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 3: like law enforcement, psychology and the reality of health emergencies 156 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 3: that should expect coming out of the pandemic, that there 157 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 3: would be a lot of ills, a lot of problems, 158 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 3: and we one by one started seeing all of them 159 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 3: play out and increase in domestic violence, people stuck at 160 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 3: home with each other, people who had issues, and increase 161 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 3: in substance abuse, and increase in in alcoholism, and increase 162 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 3: in loneliness, and increase, you know, the fear that people 163 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 3: we all were living through during the pandemic, not knowing 164 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 3: if we're going to stay healthy, or people in our family, 165 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 3: all of these things. Then social media really is just 166 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 3: the amplifier and in some way the igniter that sets 167 00:09:58,920 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 3: people off. 168 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: All right, Josh, thanks for coming on with us. Hey, 169 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: I have a great day, Josh mar Golan, ABC News. 170 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 2: We come back. 171 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: We're going to play you a clip of Jason Chafitz, 172 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: a former congressman. Now he's a Fox News commentator and host, 173 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: and he was there at Utah Valley University when Charlie 174 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: Kirk was murdered, and he had a lot of emotional 175 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: things to say on Fox a short time ago. We're 176 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: going to play that tape back for you. 177 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 6: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 178 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 6: six forty. 179 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,719 Speaker 1: Run every day from one until four o'clock. After four 180 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: o'clock John Cobelt Show on demand. Charlie Kirk the conservative 181 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: activist and media personality with millions of followers, turning Point 182 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: usas as organization. He's among the closest outside advisors to 183 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, and he has organized millions of young people. 184 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: Got him interested in Republican conservative Trump causes. He's assassinated today, 185 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: just shot dead while speaking to a crowd sitting on 186 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: stage at Utah Valley University of all places, and a 187 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: bullet got him in the neck and he died shortly 188 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: thereafter at the hospital. Trump announced his death on Truth 189 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: Social He's very well known in political and media circles. 190 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: Coming up in a few minutes, we're gonna play you 191 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: some clips of his podcast when Agavin Newsom was a guest, 192 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: and a lot of people if you weren't familiar with 193 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk, became familiar with him after hearing the back 194 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: and forth. The clips were played everywhere of he and Newsom. 195 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna play you now, Jason Chase. It's a former congressman. 196 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: Uh and he he uh was very close with Charlie Kirk. 197 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: And I believe he's from Utah and his wife and 198 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: friends were at the event when Kirk was killed, and 199 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: I believe he Chafits was as well. I don't know 200 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: if this was broadcast like before they announced that Kirk 201 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: was dead. It seems that way, but we're gonna We're 202 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: gonna play it was quite emotional. 203 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 7: Jason Chafit's on the phone, Jason. 204 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 8: We were reading some of your social media posts. You 205 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 8: were there, you witnessed this, what happened. 206 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 9: Well, there's you know, it's a good crowd. A lot 207 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 9: of people were channing his name. I was there, My 208 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 9: daughter was their son in law is there, my wife 209 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 9: was there. I mean, Charlie Kirk coming to town. It's 210 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 9: we were excited and people were there and there were 211 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 9: lots of them, and you know, he he came out, 212 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 9: he was throwing hats, riling up the crowd. He took 213 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 9: his first question, which was that's catch my breath trying 214 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 9: to run into. 215 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 2: The house here, you know. 216 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 9: I took a first question, which. 217 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 8: Was a religious question. 218 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 9: And then he got to the second question, which was 219 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 9: about thirty minutes into his presentation two thirty local time, 220 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 9: and and the question was about transgender shooters mass killings 221 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 9: versus people that weren't transgender, and when that happened, when 222 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 9: that question came out, and he's and you know he's 223 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 9: going to have the interaction one shot. I was watching Charlie. 224 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 9: I can't say that I saw blood. I can't say 225 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 9: that I saw him get hit, but I did see 226 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 9: him fall immediately backwards into his left and I can 227 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 9: open pray that somehow he survived that. 228 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 10: My God, we're all praying. He's married to his wife, 229 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 10: Erica for four years now. Jason, obviously you're visibly and 230 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 10: very emotional, obviously having just witnessed this, married to Erica 231 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 10: for four years, two children, a son and a daughter. 232 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 10: All we can do is pray right now until we 233 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 10: get an update on what exactly happened here in his 234 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 10: condition but we know Charlie. We've seen and heard from 235 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 10: many times over the years. He's been a very present 236 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 10: conservative through the Trump movement, leading students. And to your point, Jason, 237 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 10: you said he came to town, We came to listen. He 238 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 10: has an enormous following and so many supporters that obviously 239 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 10: would be praying for him right now. 240 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 9: Jason, Well, I traded text messages with him. I traded 241 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 9: text message with him with ahead of time, and I said, Hey, Charlie, 242 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 9: I hope they get a chance to see you. Our 243 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 9: family like to see you again, and. 244 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 8: We still to see him again. 245 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 9: So he he said, he's going to go for a 246 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 9: few hours and you know, maybe we could see him afterwards. 247 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 9: But gosh, it's just he's there doing the right thing, 248 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 9: you know, and it's so great to see all these 249 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 9: twenty year olds enthusiastic about politics in the world and 250 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 9: to have an open dialogue. 251 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: Okay, that's Jason Chafit's former Utah congressman, now a commentator 252 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: and hosts for Fox News, and he and his wife 253 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: and friends were at the event where Charlie Kirk was 254 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: shot to death at Utah Valley University. To give you 255 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: an idea of his influence. He has a daily radio 256 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: show on the Salem Radio Network, a podcast that gets 257 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of downloads every day. He's got five 258 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: million followers on X, seven million followers on TikTok, almost 259 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: four million subscribers on YouTube, another million and a half 260 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: on the social media outlet Rumble, and Megan Kelly said 261 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: it's not an understatement to say that this man is 262 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: responsible for helping the Republicans win back the White House 263 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: and the US Senate by targeting. That's the end of 264 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: her quote. What he did is he targeted young people 265 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: and got them excited and energized about. 266 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: Conservative causes. 267 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: Some of his opinions were controversial, and some people thought 268 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: they were in sendi area, and you could see how 269 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: he could whip up, you know, some fanatics to want 270 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: to take him out if that turns out to be 271 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: the case. And there were petitions and protests at the campus, 272 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: which is very common when conservative speakers are scheduled to 273 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: have an event. That certainly was a real problem some 274 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: years ago with Berkeley. Every time they tried to book 275 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: somebody who's from the right, there was all kinds of protests. 276 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: You know, he was accused of turning of turning turning 277 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: Point USA into an arm of Christian nationalism. And there 278 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: is no suspect in custody yet. The one guy that 279 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: they detained and handcuffed that people thought it was an 280 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: older man. It turned out not to be the shooter. 281 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: I don't know who he was or why they picked 282 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: on him, but the police definitely had somebody that they 283 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: had on his knees on the ground. When we come back, 284 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: we'll play you some clips of Charlie Kirk hosting Gavin Newsom. 285 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,959 Speaker 1: You may remember this from a few months ago. The 286 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: big news story that came out of that is Kirk 287 00:17:55,240 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: got Newsom to admit that maybe having transgenders boys in 288 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: women's sports men and women's sports boys and girl sports 289 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: was a bad idea. We'll play you some of those 290 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: clips when we come back. 291 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 6: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI A 292 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 6: six forty. 293 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: We're on every day from one until four. You just 294 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: heard a news clip there about Gavin Newsom coming out 295 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: and saying how violent, disgusting this assassination of Charlie Kirk is. 296 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: And to put this all into context, Kirk had much 297 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: to say about the transgender movement and boys playing in 298 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: girls sports men playing in women's sports in college, and 299 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: was discussing that with an audience member at the exact 300 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: moment the shot rang out. An audience member said, do 301 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters 302 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: over the last ten years? Kirk says too many. That 303 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: audience member said, well, it's five, and then asked Kirk 304 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: if he knows how many mass shooters they've been in 305 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: America over the last ten years, and Kirk said, counting 306 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: or not counting gang violence, and a couple of seconds later, 307 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: that's when the shot hit him in the neck and 308 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: killed him. Newsom had made a lot of headlines. I 309 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: want to make one correction. It was Charlie Kirk on 310 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom's podcast when Newsom was hosting right wing figures 311 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: as guests. I had it reversed before and they had 312 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: a couple of exchanges on transgenders in sports, and Kirk 313 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: got Newsom to reassess the idea of allowing this sort 314 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: of thing. 315 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 2: So we play that that extra cut you have, What do. 316 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 7: You do, seriously, Charlie Kirk, give us some of the 317 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 7: better ideas, Governor, like, for example, I mean, like, if 318 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 7: you want to, like, you have an opportunity to, like, 319 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 7: you know, run to the middle and see this man's office. 320 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 7: You're talking to me about people you right now should 321 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 7: come out and be like, you know what, the young 322 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 7: man who's about to win the state championship in the 323 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 7: long jump in female sports, right, that's that that shouldn't happen. 324 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 7: You as the governor should step out and. 325 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 8: Say no, no, And I appreciate and. 326 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 7: Like, would you do something like that? Would you say 327 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 7: no men in female sports? 328 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 4: Well, I think it's an issue of fairness. I completely 329 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 4: agree with you on that. It is an issue affair. 330 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 4: So it's deeply did. 331 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 7: You speak out against this young man, baby Hernandez, who 332 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 7: right now is going to win the state championship in 333 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 7: the long time? 334 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 8: So see you wrestling with it? No, I'm not wrestling. 335 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 8: I'm not realationing with the fairness issue. I totally agree 336 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 8: with you. 337 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 4: By the way, as someone with four kids, you got 338 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 4: to have two daughters, right, two daughters. Had a daughter 339 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 4: and a wife that went god forbid to Stanford and 340 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 4: played on the junior national soccer team, and a guy 341 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 4: who got into college only because it was left handed 342 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 4: and could throw baseball a little bit or the hit 343 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 4: the ball for. 344 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 8: A little bit. 345 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 4: So I revere sports, and so the issue of fairness 346 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 4: is completely legit. And I saw that the last couple 347 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 4: of years. Boy did I saw how you guys were 348 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 4: able to weaponize that. 349 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 11: Issue at another weaponize don't that's that's webinars maybe Pejordi, 350 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 11: You're right, but you were able to shine a light 351 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 11: on highlight it in a way that frankly, there are 352 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 11: not that many we're talking about I think N two 353 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 11: A what five hundred and ten thousand? 354 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 8: No, No, but I just didn't realize. 355 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 7: It's eight hundred ninety medals in trophies that we know 356 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 7: of in the last five years. 357 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 8: That's a lot. 358 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 5: No. 359 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 4: So I'm gonna let me step back say completely fair 360 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 4: on the issue of fairness, I completely agree. So that's 361 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 4: easy to call out the unfairness of that. There's also 362 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 4: a humility and a grace. You know that that these 363 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 4: poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety 364 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 4: and depression, and the way that people talk down to 365 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 4: vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard 366 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 4: time with as well. So both things I can hold 367 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 4: in my hand. How can we address this issue with 368 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 4: the kind of decency that I think you know is 369 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 4: inherent in you but not always expressed on the issue. 370 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 8: No, I get it. At the same time, deal with 371 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 8: the un you're asked. 372 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 7: You asked a good faith question, like how do we 373 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 7: Democrats get out of the wilderness? Yeah, this one is 374 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 7: an eighty twenty issue in your time's poll, right, that's all. 375 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 8: I agree with you. We're getting crushed on and like crush. 376 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 7: And you an opportunity in the state to be like, Look, 377 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 7: I have a heart for Aby Hernandez, I have a 378 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 7: heart for the San Jose volleyball player. 379 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 8: Yeah, let's give them compassion. 380 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 7: But what's not fair is just for like a woman's 381 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 7: entire woman's sports. 382 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 8: I agree, you know by the way I agree with you. 383 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 8: I agree with you. And it's interesting. I stress tested 384 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 8: this child. I was wondering. 385 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 4: I said, you know, in California, and I've been a 386 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 4: leader in the LGBTQ places as face as you know, 387 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 4: back in two thousand and four was marrying sane sex couples. 388 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 4: And I know we have different opinion on marriage equality, 389 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 4: and so I've been at this for years and years. 390 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 4: I take a bad seat to no one. But I 391 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 4: was actually on the issue of sports, which in the 392 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 4: last few years has just exploded. Trying to understand and 393 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 4: understand the ten athletes in the NC two A five 394 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 4: hundred and ten thousand athletes but ten outletes, and. 395 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 1: You get the idea of the of course, do some 396 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: has not changed the policy in California at all. But 397 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: Kirk did corner him on that one. You could tell 398 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: that he's very smart and fearless. I'm going to play 399 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 1: cut five. This is more on transgenders, and this is 400 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: about the way the Democrats view all their issues. 401 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 7: But it goes to a broader arch narrative which is 402 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 7: important now. And I want to hear this, which is 403 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 7: this that that that you that the Democrats, you guys, 404 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 7: will tend to view an incident through an oppressor repressed Blens. Yeah, 405 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 7: it's your training, it comes from college, it comes from 406 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 7: and we as conservatives tend to view things through right 407 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 7: or wrong, or just or unjust. And the country is 408 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 7: going far more in our direction and away from your direction, 409 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 7: because the problem with oppressor oppressed is eventually you run 410 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 7: out of oppressors and you start creating them out of 411 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 7: thin air, and you start trying to say, well, these 412 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 7: people must to be blamed for all of our problems, 413 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 7: or that's where you get a lot of the let's 414 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 7: just say a lot of For example, there's Wall Street 415 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 7: Journal editorial like when will the white men shut up 416 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 7: or stop complaining? 417 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 8: That does no good for anybody? Right, So what. 418 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 7: I'm what I'm getting at, though, is it's a worldview. 419 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 4: Difficulty, right, And so that is why the issue is 420 00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 4: so much more powerful. 421 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 7: Of course it is because, but it's also pattern recognition. 422 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 7: It's pattern recognition of a Democrat party that post twenty twenty, 423 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 7: decided to go all and we call it woke, you 424 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 7: might call it you know, justice or whatever it is, 425 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 7: but it's so outside of what we would consider traditional 426 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 7: Americans norms and customs. 427 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 2: All right. 428 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk on Gavin Newsom's podcast, and again you could 429 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: see he had Newsom a bit cornered. Kirk made his 430 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: fame by having this ability to inspire millions of young 431 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: people to join conservative causes Trump Trump's campaign. And in 432 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: this clip I'm going to play cut four, Newsom and 433 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: Kirk are talking about Newsom's niece being at a usc 434 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: event that Kirk had hosted and about Newsom's son wanting 435 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: to meet Kirk. 436 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 8: We were just down at USC. 437 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 7: I was at USC yesterday, drew a big crowd. 438 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 4: By the way. I knew you were at USC early 439 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 4: because my niece, who's. 440 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 8: Gradually she was going with the Maga hot on. She 441 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 8: was by the way. 442 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 4: I do have to watch, but she was down there 443 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 4: and she was like, she said, you never know, these 444 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 4: kids are. 445 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 8: Going to the right. 446 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 4: I'm aware, she said, this crowd's crazy, he said, she said, 447 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 4: and she had and the only reason she said she 448 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 4: would have said it perhaps otherwise, but she knew you 449 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 4: were coming. 450 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,479 Speaker 8: On the worst part though, Charlie, there'll be a true story. 451 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 4: Literally last night, trying to put my son to bed, 452 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 4: he's like, no, Dad, I just what time. 453 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 8: What time is Charlie going to be here? 454 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 2: What time? 455 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 8: And I'm like, dude, you're in school tomorrow. He's thirteen. 456 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 4: He's like, no, no, this morning wakes up and sticks 457 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 4: up and he's like, I'm coming. 458 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 8: I'm like. He literally would not leave the house. Did 459 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 8: you let him take off school? 460 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 9: No? 461 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 8: He did, of course not. He's not here for a 462 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 8: good reason. But the point is you canceled school for 463 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 8: two years once. 464 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: All right, So that's uh Some Uh New Some's podcast 465 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: with Charlie Kirk as a guest, and so that gets 466 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: you familiar with Kirk's place in the media ecosystem and 467 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 1: the way he expresses his views. 468 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 2: I don't know if it was. 469 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: A coincidence that Kirk was killed while he was having 470 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: the exchange on transgenderism with the audience member, or if 471 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: that's what caused the shooter to pull the trigger. There's 472 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: no way to know that, no doubt this was a 473 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: politically motivated killing, a hatred of what Kirk represents, a 474 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: message to Trump because Kirk was so high up in 475 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: the Trump hierarchy as an outside advisor and so responsible 476 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: for getting young people to come out and vote for Trump. 477 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: And you know, Trump already was targeted twice just last year. 478 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: There's a lot of insanity going on. We'll continue coming 479 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: up more. 480 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 6: You're listening to John Cobell on demand from KFI A 481 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 6: six forty. 482 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: We're on every day from one until four o'clock, and 483 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: we continue covering the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the conservative 484 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: activist and media personality millions and millions of followers. He's 485 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: organized millions of especially young people to get involved in 486 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: conservative causes. Huge supporter of Donald Trump and part of 487 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: Trump's inner circle when it comes to outside advisors. And 488 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: he was shot while while sitting on stage. He was 489 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: hosting an event with his organization Turning Point USA, and 490 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: he takes does question and answer with anybody in the audience. 491 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: There were hundreds of people there at Utah Valley University. 492 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:53,479 Speaker 1: And he likes to mix it up with left wing people. 493 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: And we just played clips with Gavin Newsom. It's interesting 494 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: because you know his demeanor you could see is very 495 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: friendly and affable, but his views can make some people crazy. 496 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: He is a Christian nationalist. He has deep evangelical faith 497 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: and he according to the La Times and take that 498 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: for what it's worth, whatever their or bias is. He 499 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 1: has described the current political climate as a state of 500 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: spiritual warfare between a righteous right wing and so called 501 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: godless liberals. Kirk has declared that God is on the 502 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: side of American conservatives and there's no separation of church 503 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: and state. He gave a speech to Trump supporters in 504 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: Georgia last year and said the Democrat Party supports everything 505 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: that God hates and that there's a spiritual battle happening 506 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: all around us, and he's known for his memes his 507 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: college campus speaking tours. His goal is to own the libs. 508 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: His debates with liberal college students have racked up ten 509 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: of millions of views, and he's got a popular radio show. 510 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: He's got a podcast that's downloaded by the hundreds of 511 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: thousands every day and does all these events. He's was married, 512 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: father of two small children, and he was shot in 513 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: the neck and died at the hospital shortly thereafter. La 514 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: Time says he was hitting the carotid artery and lost 515 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: an enormous amount of blood. But in certain circles he 516 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: really was a rock star. And so that's why you 517 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: in case you're not familiar with him, I never assume 518 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: everybody's familiar with every corner of the internet world, of 519 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: the political world. You may be wondering about the coverage. 520 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: He was a really, really big deal to a lot 521 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: of people. Thirty one years old, he'd been organizing Turning 522 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: Point USA since he was in college, and like Mike Johnson, 523 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: the House Speaker wrote, he said the killing of Charlie 524 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: Kirk was utterly devastating, called him a close friend and 525 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: confident on every political leader must loudly and clearly decry 526 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: this violence. Trump announced Kirk's death to the world on 527 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: truth Social We are going to have a press conference 528 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: supposedly in minutes. If not, Alex Stone from ABC News 529 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: will come on, and Deborah Mark has the news now 530 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,959 Speaker 1: live the KFI twenty four hour Newsroom. 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