1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Let's bring in Mike Lyons, military analysts that we love 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: talking to since unfortunately, um, since this conflict began, we've 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: had to talk to him a lot. But Mike served 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: with various military organizations both the United States and Europe 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: throughout his career, commanded in Operation Desert Storm and Desert Shield. 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: Received a Bronze Star for his actions in combat West Point. 7 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: It's got plenty of credentials. See him on CNN and 8 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: various other places all the time. Mike, Welcome back to 9 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: the Armstrong and Getty Show. Hey, Jack, thanks so much 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: for hand me back. By the way, some of the reporting, 11 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: uh I, I keep talking about what a great job 12 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: CNN is doing, but a lot of a lot of 13 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: the journalism out there is just great around this story, 14 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: and it's one of the you know, it's one of 15 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: the stories of our time, no doubt about it. Where 16 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: where do you see things currently? Where We were just 17 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: talking to David Ignatius of the Washington Post. He feels 18 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: like a phase one has ended, in a phase two 19 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: is beginning. How do how do you see this? Yeah, 20 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: that's probably a good way to put it. The Battle 21 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 1: of Kiva is over, with Russia being defeated by first 22 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: a Ukraine maneuver force and then by Ukraine guerrilla force 23 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: that actually ejected them from land that Russia took. You know, 24 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: I can't look in history and see many times when 25 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: the defenders have done that without adding more troops, without 26 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: repositioning more troops, and not getting any help other than 27 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: the equipment that's poured in from the West that's come 28 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: the javelins and those combat multipliers that story just had 29 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: on the drones is is phenomenal. And the fact that 30 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: they're able to synchronize fires as we call it in 31 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: the in the field artillery. Um, you look every day 32 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: and see the pictures of the nation that's taking place 33 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: between real time intelligence that we're providing them. We're not 34 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: talking about that a lot, but we're providing them real 35 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: time intelligence to where those Russian troops. So I think 36 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: that's why I think we talked about that's one of 37 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: those general officers are getting killed because we're telling them, hey, 38 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: look guess what, there's a general officer here, you know, 39 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: could kind of go after them. So so I do 40 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: think it's now based too where they're gonna try to 41 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: reposition all these forces now. But they've got to take 42 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: what's called exterior lines. That means is they gotta go 43 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: all the way around. They gotta travel about fifteen hundred 44 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: or so kilometers around to get to this new battlefield, 45 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: which is going to be the east in the dome 46 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: Bass region, and ukrain Or repositionist forces and start the 47 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: counter attacks already, So Russia doesn't have any momentum. They 48 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: likely lose that as well. And mary Pole still hasn't fallen, 49 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: so I can't get over house. So probably the Ukraine 50 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: military is performed. So the atrocities that we've all seen, 51 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: the pictures, the videos, the things you read about what 52 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: happened in these towns over the last six weeks. Yeah, 53 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: while the Russians occupied them. Is this an undisciplined, out 54 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: of control military full of thugs or was this the 55 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: plan from the beginning? You know, we talked about this 56 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, and I said from the 57 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: very beginning that this will turn on what the Russian 58 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: soldier does at the private level, at the lowest level 59 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: of the execution phase of the Russian military, what they 60 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: do when they are faced with Ukraine citizens and civilians 61 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: and non combatants. And um, there was a side. To me, 62 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: that was just kind of helping that we weren't going 63 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: to see what we ended up seeing. It reflects frankly, 64 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: and this is gonna sound really terrible, but it reflects 65 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,839 Speaker 1: Russian culture unfortunately. And and we would do the same 66 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: for us, we'd project, you know, are the military reflects 67 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: the society that it's from. It's just that simple, which 68 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: where we get the soldiers from. And I'm afraid now 69 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: the Russian culture and Russian people are are staying now 70 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: with the the performance of their military. Now, you know, 71 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: part of the playbook. That's the most overused term right now, 72 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: the Putin playbook and all that goes with that. But 73 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: but but for whatever reason, this is how the Russian 74 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: military on the ground fights. That's the first time it's 75 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: it's it's nineteenth century tactics. It's what happens back that's 76 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: what Russia has done before and every war they've ever 77 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: been involved with when they tried to conquer another another country. 78 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: We just maybe didn't think it was gonna happen now, 79 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: but it did, and um, it just just not change. 80 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, but it reflects poorly on Russian culture. Yeah, 81 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: it is amazing Historically Putin's doing the same thing Stalin did, 82 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: who did the same thing. The Tzars be for him. 83 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: It's just absolutely amazing, right, Um, it got everybody, It 84 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: got everybody's attention. When General Milly said this is going 85 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: to be measured in years, and he said possibly not decades, 86 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: but years. So I don't think any of us workspect 87 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: in that. So what does this look like for years? 88 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: So so now we're gonna look at this. So deep 89 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: down the United States wants the Russian army destroyed in Ukraine, 90 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: and that's why we're pouring the weapons that we're doing 91 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: in and Russia is doing a pretty good job of 92 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: getting itself destroyed in Ukraine. Still a regional conflict, we 93 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: have to look at it that way. Still can't get involved. 94 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: Let's hope Pluton doesn't expand it doesn't attack NATO, doesn't, 95 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: you know, go in such a way that forces us 96 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: to respond. But it likely goes months because he has 97 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: the people in the mass. He's got these these battalion 98 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: tactical groups was what they're called, and how they fight, 99 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: and you know, he brought about a hundred and twenty 100 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: of them or so to the battlefield and still got 101 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: about eight years so left, and he's repositioning all in 102 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: this dome best region where he's gonna out number the 103 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: Ukraine military, um maybe two or three to one. Still 104 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: so um, again, it's just gonna see how well the 105 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: Ukraine military fights and how they defend and what they 106 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: can do. I think this is like the abb Is 107 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: really war from the nineteen seventy three and that it 108 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 1: had two basically two fronts in the north and in 109 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: the south, and the same thing that happened there. Um 110 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: and after these railities, you know, kind of win in 111 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: the north and then focused in the south. And that's 112 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: really what I think could happen here as well. And 113 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: there'll be this trade off for land for peace, and 114 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: the Ukraine border likely gets redrawn. But if Ukrank can 115 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: keep Odessa the lost Crimea, that's gone right, we all 116 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: agree with that. But if they could keep Odessa, that 117 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: keeps that warm water port, they have something. Um. But 118 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: Mary Poles is probably the last thing that the Russians 119 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: are going to go for, and they have to have 120 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: it if they want to declare any kind of strategic victory. 121 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: So Secretary of State Blincoln said yesterday that we are 122 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: providing or they will soon have uh ten anti tank 123 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: systems for every Russian tank. You're the only person I've 124 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: heard explain the whole tank to me that losing tanks 125 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: isn't a thing, and Russia has lost a lot of 126 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: tanks and now they're there's gonna be ten systems for 127 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: taking out tanks for every tank that exists. So you 128 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,679 Speaker 1: know that's gotta be good news for the Ukrainians. Yeah, 129 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: and that those things take out things more than tanks. 130 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: They blow up buildings, they they destroy bunkers, they do 131 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: things that that that uh and they do it in 132 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: a way their heat seeking, their fir and forget there. 133 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: They're high. They're the kind of technology that we brought 134 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: to the battlefield that's making a difference. That all wars 135 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: have these kinds of things that make a difference. Right, 136 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: Desert Storm had GPS systems that the fact that got 137 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: us to the right spot at the right time, and 138 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: MLR as multiple loft rocket systems that allow deep interdicting fires. 139 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: In this war, it's these drone technologies to switch blade. 140 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,559 Speaker 1: You're seeing the fact that the stingers are still keeping 141 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: the skies open, the fact that the skies are still 142 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: uh contested and no no one really has their superiority there. 143 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: But these Javlins, those last things are just tearing the 144 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: tops off those tanks and the BMPs, and they're causing 145 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: Russians to to surrender really in mass. And and the 146 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: fact of the matter is we aren't just flying one 147 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: for one. We're firing five or six at one tank. 148 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: We're making sure that tank dies. So the um A 149 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: spokesman for Zelinsky said yesterday, I need I need three things, weapons, weapons, 150 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: and weapons. The public in the United States, according to polls, 151 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: is all four giving them more. Should we be giving more? 152 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: What would more look like? I just found out that 153 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: even though we've we've given Ukraine a billion dollars worth 154 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: in the last six weeks, we're pumping in nine billion 155 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: a month in Iraq at the time. Right, so we 156 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: were able to do kind of the heavy crew related 157 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: equipment interact, but we can't really do that here. I 158 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: don't know how it gets there. You see the Czech 159 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: Republic trying to give a pc s all Soviet made 160 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: because it's too difficult to now train Ukraine troops on 161 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: ABRAMS tanks or US based equipment. We've got countries in 162 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: data that have the same kind of equipment Ukraine does. 163 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: If we're gonna give anything, that's where it's got to 164 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: come from. We have this. The MiGs are all the 165 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: time people said, oh, let's get them the MiGs, and 166 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,239 Speaker 1: I see where we go from there again, too hard, 167 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: you gotta they'll fly in, They've gotta park them, you've 168 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: gotta realm them, refuel them. I'm not sure they're going 169 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: to be difference makers. The difference makers are those javelins. 170 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: The different makers are the individual weapons systems that are 171 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: easy to use. Um, they're easy to train on that 172 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: that they've We've got so many in there now, I 173 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: am a little bit concerned that we're actually sending too 174 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: many there because those stingers, so I think we've talked 175 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: about two those stingers are weapons of mass destruction if 176 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: they find their way back to the United States. You know, 177 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: those are those are not They're in the playbox right now. 178 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: They're in the playpen of the Ukraine government there. But 179 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: the bottom line is those those get in the wrong 180 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 1: hands and those become you know, weapons of they could 181 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: shoot down commercial aircraft and things like that. We've gotta 182 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: be really careful about some of the weapons. We also 183 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: provide there and make sure those accountability for them. Interesting 184 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: one final question. I've been trying to figure out how 185 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: to ask this, So I was looking at the picture 186 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: of there was a side by side thing floating around 187 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: on social media a couple of days ago when Zelinski 188 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: went and visited one of those towns where all the 189 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: horror happened. And the look on his face and just 190 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: his face in general, compared to what he looked like 191 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: six weeks ago. I mean, the guy has aged ten 192 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: years in six weeks. And how do you blame how 193 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: do you for those of us have never been around 194 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: this such a horror? How do you keep your what 195 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: do you focus on to keep your your your your here, 196 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: your humanity, to keep from going crazy, to keep from 197 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: questioning everything when you see this sort of stuff. Yeah, 198 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: that's a great question. And you know, I prepared to 199 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: go to war my whole adult life, you know, at 200 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: the West Point, and I read books and I trained hard. 201 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: And here's a guy that gets thrust into that environment. 202 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: He's a comedian, he's a movie star, and all the 203 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: other things before he gets that spot. But he's quickly 204 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: learned that number One, you have to live in a 205 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: moment and you said, live right there, right at that 206 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: point in time, make a decision based on your instinct. 207 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: He has great instinct. I think that's from what he's demonstrated. 208 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: But then the second thing, he's got to be able 209 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: to compartmentalize. He's got to really look at something and 210 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: not get too emotional about it, keep his emotions so 211 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: in check. Um. I can tell you again, being in combat, 212 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: you see things that you have to look once. You 213 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: look twice and say, Okay, I gotta keep going, I 214 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: gotta move forward. And I look at that guy and 215 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: he just gets up every day. You know, I'm a 216 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: little bit feel better now about keeping about his safety. 217 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: There was a time when we were getting up every 218 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: day thinking about whether or not he was going to 219 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: survive the night. But um, but I think he's gonna 220 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: be okay. And I think he's gonna he's gonna emerge 221 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: as a real leader. Um and I think it's gonna 222 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: you know, he's he's gonna be getting a Nobel Peace prizes, 223 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: lots of things that are gonna be good to come 224 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: his way. He's just got to maintain it. But but 225 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: he was thrust onto it. And when people are trust 226 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: into the greatness they sometimes perform, and he's done superbly. 227 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: This fact I think will be lost to history. But 228 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: our government told him to leave before it started, and 229 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: he said, I ain't going. Man. What a decision that 230 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: turned out to be for the history of his country 231 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: and maybe there for the history of the world. Yeah, no, 232 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: absolutely if he had done that. And we're we're we've become, unfortunately, 233 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: the risk averse. You know, we're the super power that's 234 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: risk averse. And you know, I get it. I still 235 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: don't want to push them too far. I think the 236 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: administration has pretty much played this the way they needed 237 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: to played it, and there's not you know, this is 238 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: telling us we have to fix this in the future, 239 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 1: and we can't fix it now. We just have to 240 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: get the combat to stop. We have to get the 241 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 1: shooting to stop. But we've got to realize that we've 242 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: got here because the thirty years of bad foreign policy 243 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: and and then then in the moment, we've become risk 244 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: averse and and almost psychologically disarmed. And I think that's, uh, 245 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: that's unfortunate, and that's that's that is a bad reflection 246 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: of this administration. Frankly, Mike Clients, thanks for your time. 247 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: I love your work everywhere I see you. Your Twitter 248 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: uh feet is good to follow and thanks for coming 249 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: on today. Thanks Jack anytime. Thanks to One More Thing 250 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: podcast Jack. 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