Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison Company from the home office in Austin, Texas
Speaker 1: for this special, very special Father's Day edition of the
Speaker 1: Most Dramatic podcast Ever. I've never done this, but since
Speaker 1: we're all so much older and we've all become dads,
Speaker 1: I thought what a cool thing to do for this
Speaker 1: Father's Day week to go back and talk to some
Speaker 1: of not only my favorite people who I got to
Speaker 1: know through the show over the years, but also some
Speaker 1: of my favorite dads on the show. And that is
Speaker 1: Ryan Sutter, JP Rosenbaum, and Bob Genny. That's right, Bob Genny.
Speaker 1: I consider him a friend and a dad. And he's
Speaker 1: actually a friend of my first guest as well, because
Speaker 1: they were on the same season and fought for the
Speaker 1: love of the same woman. Bob Genny somehow didn't win
Speaker 1: that battle against Ryan Sutter, and the rest is television history.
Speaker 1: The first dad I wanted to bring on. Ryan, good to.
Speaker 2: See you, buddy. It's you, Chris. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: It's been way too long. First of all, we have
Speaker 1: to say, I'm just glad you're still a dad. All
Speaker 1: the drama on social media.
Speaker 2: Right the second you think Milone was paying attention to
Speaker 2: you in life, something like that happens.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. So I follow you and Trista
Speaker 1: clearly online, and you guys are dear friends of ours,
Speaker 1: and I know you to be a poet. I know
Speaker 1: you to be a great writer. You express yourself that way,
Speaker 1: and so when I read your thing, I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of, you know, over the top and melodramatic.
Speaker 1: That's Ryan. You know, he was in a mood. If
Speaker 1: you know Ryan, he's he can get in these moods
Speaker 1: and it's not always about his family, sometimes just about
Speaker 1: his health and his life. And so you're a great writer,
Speaker 1: and so I know you express yourself that way. And
Speaker 1: when I started reading the comments, I'm like, oh God,
Speaker 1: people are really freaking out. They don't know what he's
Speaker 1: talking about. And not that I really knew what you
Speaker 1: were talking about, but at the same time, I knew
Speaker 1: that that's not exactly how you would come on and
Speaker 1: announce something dramatic happening in your life.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well yeah, First of all, if there was something
Speaker 2: really really bad happening in my life, I wouldn't be
Speaker 2: telling anyone like That's the other side of me that
Speaker 2: you probably know is that I have a most of
Speaker 2: my personal life state is pretty personal. So this was
Speaker 2: so my take on social media is twofold. I enjoy
Speaker 2: I mostly only use Instagram because I like pictures, and
Speaker 2: I love looking back on my life and reflecting on
Speaker 2: with the fatherhood theme, reflecting on my kids when they
Speaker 2: were younger, and the writing portion of it just reminds
Speaker 2: me of of the emotional states I was in at
Speaker 2: those particular times. And you're right, Usually it's like all
Speaker 2: most all good art seems to come from some sort
Speaker 2: of it's not not tragic event, but something that really
Speaker 2: hits you emotionally.
Speaker 1: Well, pain and struggle always gives us good art.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And I feel like and you made me
Speaker 2: feel the same way. But I feel like I do
Speaker 2: have some responsibility as someone that people know a little
Speaker 2: bit about to share in some of that and let
Speaker 2: people know, Hey, I deal with loneliness too, I deal
Speaker 2: with health issues too. I deal with this stuff too,
Speaker 2: and it's okay. The intent is not to be like, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm going to throw this out here and make people
Speaker 2: wonder if my wife's alive. You know, that's not what
Speaker 2: I'm going out of all.
Speaker 1: The people that troll social media for you know, clicks,
Speaker 1: and Ryan is not that guy.
Speaker 2: No, I'll go months without a post and then suddenly
Speaker 2: I'll get like in a mood, I'll and I'll send something.
Speaker 2: And this was a particular thing that Trista was doing.
Speaker 2: And it was the end of the school year. It's
Speaker 2: been kind of a long year for us, moving and
Speaker 2: lots of things going on. So whatever the culmination of
Speaker 2: all that happened, and I was in that sort of place,
Speaker 2: so I sent that out and as kind of a reminder,
Speaker 2: And honestly, the intent was Trista wasn't going to be
Speaker 2: able to have access to social media until she got
Speaker 2: finished with this experience she was on. So I was
Speaker 2: going to post these things, knowing the second she had
Speaker 2: access to it, she would look at it and she
Speaker 2: could see like, here's the here's what happened while you
Speaker 2: were gone, Here's how much we missed you, here's how
Speaker 2: much you know, how important you are to us, all
Speaker 2: this sort of stuff, and then it just blew up
Speaker 2: in my face and backgard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I meant this to be a love letter
Speaker 1: to my life, not the most dramatic thing. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: but and the funny thing is and then it kept going,
Speaker 1: and it kept going. But that's that's the world we
Speaker 1: live in, right, the clickbait, it all just kept It's
Speaker 1: so funny because of all the people in the world
Speaker 1: who would never want that or do that, right, And
Speaker 1: I'm sure Trista was like, what did you do? You
Speaker 1: blew up my life?
Speaker 2: I know it was. It was nuts, even the totally
Speaker 2: innocent ones, like when we left Mexico, I think I
Speaker 2: just said, like, audios, we had this staying there with
Speaker 2: me and the kids. We always would be like no,
Speaker 2: SBN s Moubian like it's this isn't good. It's really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, We're not just good, We're great.
Speaker 2: That's all I put. And people are like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: stop it with the drama.
Speaker 1: And speaking to the kids, because this is the Father's
Speaker 1: Day edition. Maxwell and Blakesley, you were a father, your
Speaker 1: kids are You're getting up there?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: What fourteen sixteen now?
Speaker 2: Yep? Well fifteen sixteen, sixteen fifteen?
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wow, that's that's true. July. Well wait, who's
Speaker 1: she's April.
Speaker 2: She's April third. Max will be seventeen in July July
Speaker 2: twenty sixth, on your birthday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, well I never let him forget it.
Speaker 1: How is how has that changed now? Because I loved
Speaker 1: every aspect of being a dad when they were kids,
Speaker 1: you know, like babies and growing up, and then you're
Speaker 1: teaching them how to walk and talk and introducing them
Speaker 1: to hockey and all those things. But now that they
Speaker 1: are young adults, as they kind of are now at
Speaker 1: this age, how is how is your relationship with them
Speaker 1: evolved and how has it gotten better?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm like you, I feel like every phase in
Speaker 2: life I was, I was in the in the mindset
Speaker 2: of like, I wish they could just day of this
Speaker 2: age forever, and then they would go from four to
Speaker 2: six and they're like, ooh, this is even better. And
Speaker 2: now we're having adult conversations. I have less time with
Speaker 2: them because they're so busy and they're like Max can
Speaker 2: drive himself to hockey. So we don't have those moments anymore.
Speaker 2: And you can tell there they're wanting to be independent
Speaker 2: and they're wanting to grow, and so some of it
Speaker 2: now is allowing that to happen, sort of allowing the
Speaker 2: mistakes to happen, allowing the experiences to happen rather than
Speaker 2: trying to formulate those for them, right, and that's sometimes tough.
Speaker 2: But both Tristan and I are in this place where
Speaker 2: you go from oh, my god, not another hockey tournamently
Speaker 2: we got a every week and it's hockey, Hockey dance dance,
Speaker 2: to like, oh, I can't wait for the next hockey
Speaker 2: game because you can see the end event. Max would
Speaker 2: love to play hockey after high school, but we know
Speaker 2: the sports world is difficult and that's not always an option.
Speaker 2: So An injuries or what ever happened. So I find
Speaker 2: myself soaking up every opportunity to watch them do the
Speaker 2: things they love to do now, and like this trip
Speaker 2: to Mexico, just hanging out with them and going snorkeling,
Speaker 2: and you know, I would be dead tired from surfing
Speaker 2: or something and LAKESI would want to go out and
Speaker 2: snorkel and you're like, oh, yeah, let's go, let's go
Speaker 2: do it, because in the back of your mind, you're like,
Speaker 2: you just know your opportunities to do this are limited
Speaker 2: as they continue to grow and become more independent. And
Speaker 2: then the next thing, you know, they're the one with
Speaker 2: ones with the kids and we're the grandfathers. You know,
Speaker 2: this is the this is the rabbit hole. I can't
Speaker 2: go down too far or it gives me anxiety. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: my god grandfather, I can't be a godfather.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, just you know, I always say I tell parents, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I was always worried about the college step,
Speaker 1: And it really was the driving that separates you, because man,
Speaker 1: how much do you miss picking them up from hockey?
Speaker 1: And yeah, your car stunk to death because you lacrosse
Speaker 1: and hockey are the smelliest sports in the world. But
Speaker 1: the kids would be in the backseat just talking to
Speaker 1: each other with their friends, and that was the download.
Speaker 1: You got all, you know, the information, and you really
Speaker 1: heard exactly how excited they were, how hurt they were,
Speaker 1: or whatever it was. And that is really that pivotal
Speaker 1: moment when they start driving, and you do you relish
Speaker 1: those moments. Now, I'll meet you at your game, and
Speaker 1: in that hug after the game is over never gets old.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I know, it's it's I mean, parenting is
Speaker 2: one of those things that you people tell you how
Speaker 2: great it is, and until you actually experience, you never
Speaker 2: really know the depth of it. And I actually just
Speaker 2: saw something recently where I think it was David Coggins
Speaker 2: or something, one of those crazy dudes was like, and
Speaker 2: this is the period of life I feel like I'm
Speaker 2: in is it's all about setting my kids up. That
Speaker 2: my trophies, if you will, in life, are my kids,
Speaker 2: how they interact with other people. They're my representation of
Speaker 2: of who I am and who I want them to be.
Speaker 2: And I just want to give them as much as
Speaker 2: I can at this point in their life to set
Speaker 2: them up to be successful, caring, sympathetic, empathetic, smart young people.
Speaker 2: And so that's why you know, Tristan, I moved to Denver,
Speaker 2: we did or we've done this kind of major life
Speaker 2: change in order to just put the full focus on
Speaker 2: our kids for this last two three years because we
Speaker 2: know that they're going to go out in the world
Speaker 2: and it's really important. Your first impression on in the
Speaker 2: world is really important. And you know, I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that selfishly that that I want them to represent me.
Speaker 2: I want them to go out and be like, oh, hey,
Speaker 2: Ryan's a great dad because his kids are great, but
Speaker 2: kind of I do. I want them to go out
Speaker 2: there and be like, hey, these are great kids. You
Speaker 2: must have been there for them. You want you that's
Speaker 2: just that's kind of the validation for the amount of
Speaker 2: love and an opportunity that you can give your kids.
Speaker 2: And so that's been the real focus that it's not
Speaker 2: keeping them necessarily just like actually safe, you know, like
Speaker 2: making sure they don't drown and you know, crack their
Speaker 2: head open the anymore. It's basically setting them up to
Speaker 2: be competent young adults and confident people. And that's a
Speaker 2: trickier thing to do with teenagers.
Speaker 1: Well, I think you said something very important. I think
Speaker 1: as a dad, as a parent, allow your kids to fail.
Speaker 1: Don't always save them from every moment. And it's hard
Speaker 1: to do. You want to go in and I think
Speaker 1: this generation of parents has has done that to a
Speaker 1: fault of going in and never letting kids fail. And
Speaker 1: you really need to let them figure things out. Like
Speaker 1: if they're not getting the playing time on a team
Speaker 1: and they're bitching and moaning about it, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: well then go talk to your coach, you go talk
Speaker 1: to them, or you do this, find out what you
Speaker 1: need to do, and see, you know you're failing this class.
Speaker 1: You go in and I'm not going to go in
Speaker 1: and talk to your teacher. This is on you, and
Speaker 1: you know you can help give them those guidelines and
Speaker 1: how the parameters of how to do that. But it's
Speaker 1: got to be on them to have those tough conversations
Speaker 1: and to allow them to lose, to fail to all
Speaker 1: those things are important that you know, because they're going
Speaker 1: to in the real world. You're not always going to
Speaker 1: get the job. You're not always getting the trophy. That's
Speaker 1: not how it works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, you're right, And no matter how hard you
Speaker 2: try to protect them from all that stuff, you can't.
Speaker 2: I had a really great fire chief one time. We
Speaker 2: were talking about his son, and his son played football
Speaker 2: and he was struggling, like you said, and he came
Speaker 2: right out and said, listen. His son's name was Taya,
Speaker 2: and he said, Tya, you're not really that good, Like
Speaker 2: you need to start thinking about after football life. And
Speaker 2: then he said he actually said that was the worst
Speaker 2: mistake he ever made in his life because he could
Speaker 2: have just been supportive, like, hey, maybe hit the weight
Speaker 2: room a little more, be faster, knowing in the back
Speaker 2: of his mind that life was going to teach his
Speaker 2: son that lesson. So it hurt their relationship because his
Speaker 2: dad discouraged him from pursuing what at the time was
Speaker 2: a dream rather than just supporting, which is what I
Speaker 2: do with my I mean, you know, I am no
Speaker 2: one thought I was going to go play one to
Speaker 2: get my one play in the NFL that I got, ever,
Speaker 2: because my parents never told me to stop pursuing that dream.
Speaker 2: And I'll never tell Max to do that, even though
Speaker 2: I know he's got a less than one percent chance
Speaker 2: of everythlaying.
Speaker 1: He'll climb no matter how good you are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but life will teach him that lesson, And so
Speaker 2: allowing life to teach them some lessons is really it's
Speaker 2: really hard for Trista, especially she she wants to be
Speaker 2: like and God bless her, she is the most nurturing,
Speaker 2: caring person all I've ever met. But that's the battle
Speaker 2: her and I have. It's like, hey, you gotta let you,
Speaker 2: gotta let him go a little bit, because they're they're
Speaker 2: not going to listen to you in the first place,
Speaker 2: So just let them learn the lesson and salvage your
Speaker 2: relationship with them and then be there to kind of
Speaker 2: help them well.
Speaker 1: And I always felt like, if you know the failures
Speaker 1: on these small scales of you didn't make the varsity,
Speaker 1: or you didn't get to start this this season, or
Speaker 1: you didn't get the part and the play that you wanted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those are really nice small failures that will help you
Speaker 1: later in life when you actually have something meaningful that
Speaker 1: you know, you think it's the biggest thing in the world,
Speaker 1: but it's not. You know, there's bigger things ahead in
Speaker 1: their life that they're going to have to, you know,
Speaker 1: get over those obstacles, and so you got to have
Speaker 1: those smaller micro failures later so you can handle the
Speaker 1: big stuff. How would you like to celebrate Father's Day?
Speaker 2: I think I'm actually working, which is usually.
Speaker 1: The case, but saving lives, it's what it's what he does.
Speaker 2: Hang on one second, we have this puppy who is
Speaker 2: chewing up my daughter's ballet issue damage.
Speaker 1: That was the biggest dad comment ever. I have a
Speaker 1: puppy who's chewing up my daughter's belly shoe. There you go.
Speaker 1: That just sums up Father's day right there.
Speaker 2: Thatsris has been asking me that too. And then i'lso
Speaker 2: have my fiftieth birthday birthday coming.
Speaker 1: Up and welcome to the club.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, great, I don't know I don't. I
Speaker 2: would love to just spend some time with the family.
Speaker 2: We had this that Mexico trip was just so awesome.
Speaker 2: For whatever reason, our kids get along really well when
Speaker 2: we're on vacation. They suddenly become friends rather than just siblings.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I would love to somehow be able to
Speaker 2: duplicate that on that day. But I don't put a
Speaker 2: lot of I guess weight on these sorts of days anymore.
Speaker 2: It's just for me. Every day is Father's Day. I
Speaker 2: get to enjoy being a dad every day I wake
Speaker 2: up in the morning, and that's plenty good for me.
Speaker 1: That sums it up. That's like, you know, I did
Speaker 1: a separate little podcast about what Dn's like. Dad just
Speaker 1: want honestly, if you take a moment, you give us
Speaker 1: your time, give us a call, write us a letter.
Speaker 1: Did your kids get the writing gene? Did you pass
Speaker 1: that down to them to take time to write letters?
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 3: Max?
Speaker 2: Max has a girlfriend and she took a family vacation
Speaker 2: for twelve days over in Europe or something. I didn't
Speaker 2: even know this, but Tristad told me. He didn't tell
Speaker 2: trust either. He wrote her a note for every day
Speaker 2: she was gone, and then presented it to her when
Speaker 2: she got back in like a fancy box that he
Speaker 2: like wrapped sort of special, and I didn't read it.
Speaker 2: Stop it, geeth, he's got breastmant he's chewing on he
Speaker 2: uh so. And then the second part of that is
Speaker 2: he hated English class starting the school year. And then
Speaker 2: we got a note from his teacher about a month
Speaker 2: and a half ago before school saying how proud he
Speaker 2: was of Max in the progress he's made writing and
Speaker 2: he's he's embraced it. And he didn't. It's not natural.
Speaker 2: I kept telling him, like, listen, you need to know
Speaker 2: how to do this. It's important. But it's crazy Chris,
Speaker 2: like just seeing him all of a sudden be fully
Speaker 2: engaged in life, reading reading books, like he just read
Speaker 2: that Make Your Bedbook from cover to cover yesterday, and
Speaker 2: he's like he's into it. He's trying to get better
Speaker 2: at sports. He wakes up every morning and goes over
Speaker 2: the ice drink it's like fifteen minutes from our house,
Speaker 2: skates for an hour by himself. Like he's just driven.
Speaker 2: And it's really cool to see Blake'sy's the same way,
Speaker 2: minus the getting up at six in the morning. But
Speaker 2: She's the same way with dance, and it's you just
Speaker 2: get so proud of your kids because they are figuring
Speaker 2: it out, and they're figuring it out kind of on
Speaker 2: their own, without a whole lot of pushing. We're just,
Speaker 2: like I said, we're just sort of supporting them and
Speaker 2: they're somehow managing to figure it out. So it's cool.
Speaker 1: Well, they're managing because you're an excellent dad. You're an
Speaker 1: amazing example of the grind, the fortitude, what it takes
Speaker 1: to be successful, to overcome you know, health obstacles, et cetera.
Speaker 1: And that's why I wanted to have you on. I
Speaker 1: don't get to talk to you enough, and we have
Speaker 1: two more dads waiting in the wings, but I really
Speaker 1: wanted to have you on because you really, I think
Speaker 1: you are a shining example of a just a good
Speaker 1: man and a good human. But you're a great dad
Speaker 1: and so happy Father's Day, my friend.
Speaker 2: Thanks sir, I appreciate it. It's great. Likewise, the feeling
Speaker 2: is mutual.
Speaker 1: My love to you to trust it to the kids.
Speaker 1: Have a great Father's Day and I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 2: Thanks Chris.
Speaker 1: Hey there he is my next father, my next guest
Speaker 1: on this Father's Day edition of the most dramatic podcast ever.
Speaker 1: God he's still handsome as can be. JP Rosenbaum, How
Speaker 1: you doing, buddy?
Speaker 4: Oh good?
Speaker 2: How you doing?
Speaker 4: It's been a long time.
Speaker 1: It's been so long. I was telling one of our producers.
Speaker 1: I said, she said, how close are you in?
Speaker 3: JP?
Speaker 1: And I said, you know, he was one of my
Speaker 1: favorite humans that ever came through the show. I love
Speaker 1: him dearly. I used to get to see him five
Speaker 1: or six times a year when he was working in
Speaker 1: New York. We would always do dinner. We always made time,
Speaker 1: and I just I never get to Miami. I realized
Speaker 1: because of you, how little I ever go to Miami,
Speaker 1: Because if I did, You're my first call.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that. Yet we moved down about ten years ago,
Speaker 4: and since then it's just, you know, life goes on,
Speaker 4: like you know, things get in the way, and I
Speaker 4: don't even get to La hardly ever. So but I
Speaker 4: still love you just the same.
Speaker 1: Well, if anybody's under it was under a rock. JP
Speaker 1: was obviously on the Backchorette with Ashley where they found
Speaker 1: love got married, and one of the reasons, obviously father
Speaker 1: of two Si and Ford, he did it kind of
Speaker 1: like me.
Speaker 2: He had to.
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of the best set up, right,
Speaker 1: the older son younger daughter. That's yeah, as they call
Speaker 1: it the King's choice, right, right. And you know, one
Speaker 1: of the reasons I wanted to have you on is
Speaker 1: because A you're a good friend and you're a great dad.
Speaker 1: But b as you're in the same boat as I am.
Speaker 1: You your kids are a product of divorce and I
Speaker 1: you know, did that and one of the things I
Speaker 1: really and I'm gonna let you talk about this, but
Speaker 1: one of the things I see publicly anyway, is that
Speaker 1: you guys really respect each other. You still can have
Speaker 1: enough respect for your ex Ashley and say, hey, you're
Speaker 1: a good mom during Mother's Day, let's promote you on
Speaker 1: Mother's Day, and let's make sure the kids are with
Speaker 1: you on Mother's Day. And it seems to be on
Speaker 1: Father's Day she's really good about Hey, JP's a great dad.
Speaker 1: Let's make sure the kids are with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: You know, I think we are very fortunate that we
Speaker 4: are amicable and civil and know that the kids come first.
Speaker 4: And you know, it's it's been a while now, it's
Speaker 4: been four or five years. I don't even I mean,
Speaker 4: we decided right before COVID hit, So it wasn't that
Speaker 4: way initially.
Speaker 1: Of course, feelings are hurt.
Speaker 4: It's anger, and admittedly so more so on my end,
Speaker 4: But we have come to a place now where everything
Speaker 4: is relatively easy, that we know the children come first,
Speaker 4: that there's no more anger and no more animosity, no
Speaker 4: more spitefulness, none of that really exists anymore. And you know,
Speaker 4: the kids, I think see that we are on the
Speaker 4: same team when it comes to them, and they always
Speaker 4: come first.
Speaker 2: And so it's not what it's.
Speaker 1: Easy well' and that's I think you hit the nail
Speaker 1: on the head. It's you have to make that commitment
Speaker 1: of the kids come first, and it's easier said than done, because,
Speaker 1: like you said, you know, divorce happens for millions of reasons,
Speaker 1: and it's never a great one, right, It's never we
Speaker 1: are so happy and everything's so awesome, we're going to
Speaker 1: get divorced. So there's always some contentious something and there's
Speaker 1: a raw nerve and so you really do have to
Speaker 1: swallow that pride some sometimes one person more than the
Speaker 1: other and just almost get over yourself a little bit
Speaker 1: and just make that leap, because the kids do have
Speaker 1: to come first, and man, they do notice, and it
Speaker 1: makes such a big difference, and it makes you a
Speaker 1: better dad, it makes her a better mom in the
Speaker 1: long run.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, And they see us together and there are smiles,
Speaker 4: there's no fighting, there's no anger, there's and they I
Speaker 4: know that they can feel that, you know, they can
Speaker 4: a lot. Yeah, And it just makes it easier. And
Speaker 4: we've just kind of now fallen into a rhythm where
Speaker 4: the kids are used to it.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of share time.
Speaker 4: You know, we're technically fifty to fifty, but we see
Speaker 4: the kids.
Speaker 2: More than that. On both sides.
Speaker 4: We're flexible with days and times and watching the kids.
Speaker 4: And so it is as easy of a divorced kind
Speaker 4: of solution as you could you could hope for when
Speaker 4: you're getting divorced.
Speaker 1: I guess one of the great joys I have had,
Speaker 1: and talk about a weird thing to have with your
Speaker 1: job when I hosted the show for you know, twenty years,
Speaker 1: getting to know people like you. Ryan Sutter was just
Speaker 1: on Bob Guiney's coming on right after you. These these
Speaker 1: great friends of mine, and then I get to watch
Speaker 1: them become dads. And I've watched you guys become great
Speaker 1: dads and real role models for your kids and role
Speaker 1: models for other fathers. And I've been watching you and
Speaker 1: your kids and you're you're going fishing, and you know,
Speaker 1: I know you love that you're sharing your passion of that.
Speaker 1: And to watch the smile on your face when Ford's
Speaker 1: holding up you know, a peacock bass or something is
Speaker 1: just awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's it's you know, you don't
Speaker 4: want to miss any of those little moments or the firsts, right.
Speaker 4: I always talk about the first and and after a divorce,
Speaker 4: I'm only with them fifty percent of the time, so
Speaker 4: it feels like they mean even more.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're trying to take any of that stuff for granted,
Speaker 4: and the stuff that I know made me happy as
Speaker 4: a kid, seeing them smile and bring them joy. It's
Speaker 4: just it's just more impactful. I think after divorce that
Speaker 4: you're just more sensitive to it.
Speaker 1: That's funny, you know, I've I guess I've never articulated that,
Speaker 1: but I felt the same way as you know, even
Speaker 1: you know, no matter what your marriage is like, you're
Speaker 1: around your kids one hundred percent of the time. And
Speaker 1: in the best divorce mine included it's fifty to fifty
Speaker 1: and so you're just not there every morning to eat breakfast.
Speaker 1: You're not there when they come home from from school
Speaker 1: and bitch and moan or tell a great story. Just
Speaker 1: you're missing half of the content, right, And so yeah,
Speaker 1: that's in the best case scenario. So you're right, you
Speaker 1: really do end up relishing those moments and try to
Speaker 1: drink them in even more.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And the.
Speaker 1: Kids are probably going to be with you this week
Speaker 1: or this weekend, I assume, you know.
Speaker 4: So the schedule wasn't supposed to be that way, and
Speaker 4: they and they do obviously spend the day with me
Speaker 4: on Father's Day in the day with her on Mother's Day.
Speaker 4: But again, like we're very flexible, so we switched days
Speaker 4: up and I'm going to take the kids to New
Speaker 4: York and see my family, my grandfather, their grandfather, and
Speaker 4: oh awesome, Yes, we'll all be together this weekend.
Speaker 1: That's so great?
Speaker 3: Is that? You know?
Speaker 1: I guess that leads to the answer to the question
Speaker 1: I'm about to ask, is like what would be your
Speaker 1: perfect Father's Day? Like what do you enjoy?
Speaker 4: And I've had those commerce station a lot. You know,
Speaker 4: when you're married, you kind of want the day off
Speaker 4: as a thought.
Speaker 1: And that's never what happens.
Speaker 4: Right when you're divorced. You get the kids on Father's
Speaker 4: Day and look, it's great. So I have plenty of
Speaker 4: days off now, but now that you know that I'm divorced,
Speaker 4: So spending it with the kids doing something that I
Speaker 4: know they would love and I would love together that
Speaker 4: that that's that's what it's all about. And what better
Speaker 4: way to flap than flapp to New York and spend
Speaker 4: it with the family that we don't get to see
Speaker 4: all that.
Speaker 1: That is going to be cool. How how old is
Speaker 1: seeing Ford?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: Ford is nine and a half. He just finished third grade.
Speaker 4: And sh she's seven and a half and she just
Speaker 4: finished first grade.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: So now transitioning to summer and camp and then it
Speaker 4: starts all over in September.
Speaker 1: It is amazing how much it changes you. And and
Speaker 1: I just said this to Ryan, every stage gets better
Speaker 1: and better. You want to keep them in that baby,
Speaker 1: then you want to keep them as toddlers, then you
Speaker 1: want to but every stage gets better and better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it also flies by too. I mean it's
Speaker 4: such a cliche everyone says it, but.
Speaker 1: Like so so damn true, man, you blink and.
Speaker 4: They're in another grade. And and so I'm really trying
Speaker 4: to make a conscious effort to slow things down as
Speaker 4: much as I can and just enjoy it all because
Speaker 4: I think I read something really silly, and I don't
Speaker 4: know if it's true or not. It's one of those
Speaker 4: Instagram rabbit holes you go down where you spend eighty
Speaker 4: percent of your kids time, like with them up until
Speaker 4: you know they're fifteen years old, and then they don't
Speaker 4: want to be around you as much. They go off
Speaker 4: to college.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they just got stuff right. They're driving, they're good,
Speaker 1: they got practice, they got school. I mean I used to.
Speaker 1: It was funny when, you know, because like you said,
Speaker 1: I was fifty to fifty. I would have the kids
Speaker 1: by myself in California. And I remember when my son
Speaker 1: started driving and he could drive my daughter to school
Speaker 1: as well, and I got up in the morning. I
Speaker 1: would make them lunch.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I always did that, even though they you know, they
Speaker 1: could do it themselves, but it was my thing. I
Speaker 1: would get up and take them to school. And I'll
Speaker 1: never forget that first time I made him lunch. And
Speaker 1: then the kids came down and they grabbed their lunch
Speaker 1: and they ran out, and I was like, oh, that's right, Like,
Speaker 1: i'll see you later. I'll see you all after school.
Speaker 1: And he's and my son's like, oh, I got practice,
Speaker 1: and my daughter's like, oh I have I do too.
Speaker 1: And then then I have this, and then I have
Speaker 1: this and I'm like, okay, so I guess I'll see
Speaker 1: you guys, like at seven o'clock tonight, right okay. And
Speaker 1: then like the door closed and the house was so
Speaker 1: quiet and I was there by myself, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, wow, this that was it. The switch just happened,
Speaker 1: and that was what you're talking about. It goes from
Speaker 1: that eighty percent. You're picking them up, you're hearing the stories,
Speaker 1: you're meeting, you know, and then it's like they're off
Speaker 1: and you know, and now Josh has graduated college and
Speaker 1: he's got his own apartment and he's working and it's
Speaker 1: come on and now I'm just like, hey, buddy, can
Speaker 1: we just go grab lunch? Can we go to the
Speaker 1: gym together? It's you do get You got to drink
Speaker 1: those moments in.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I'm definitely focused on doing that, no matter how
Speaker 4: much to try and slow it down, it still flies by.
Speaker 1: I think the more you try to slow it down,
Speaker 1: the more it flies by. But but but but you know,
Speaker 1: Lauren always said this and I and it's true and
Speaker 1: I never articulated this either of Like you put in
Speaker 1: the time now, you put in the work now as
Speaker 1: a dad, so you just can enjoy them as adults later.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think that's a that's a good way
Speaker 4: to look at it. I can't picture it yet, but
Speaker 4: but hopefully I'm setting the groundwork where they will want
Speaker 4: to spend time with me when.
Speaker 1: They're older, and they absolutely will. I'm telling you all
Speaker 1: the work you're doing now, what you and Ashley have done,
Speaker 1: how eloquent and beautifully you've handled everything. That's it pays
Speaker 1: twenty fold, not just the time you're going to get
Speaker 1: and how much they love you, but the human beings
Speaker 1: that you're raising, like they're going to be great people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's your biggest fear, right you want it to.
Speaker 4: I know, like nobody, no parent knows if they're doing
Speaker 4: a good job or not, right, No total douchebags. When
Speaker 4: they grow up and they know they're good people, and
Speaker 4: you know they follow the right path, and you never know,
Speaker 4: you know, you never know how they're going to turn out,
Speaker 4: but you do your best and kind of hope for
Speaker 4: the best.
Speaker 1: Well, you guys have done an incredible job, and I
Speaker 1: want to have you back on because you have not
Speaker 1: been a guest on the show, and you and I
Speaker 1: need to catch up. We need to really dive deep
Speaker 1: and get into life because there's so much more I
Speaker 1: want to ask you about. But most importantly, my friend,
Speaker 1: Happy Father's Day.
Speaker 4: Very very same to you, Chris.
Speaker 1: I missed you, but love you, brother. Talk to you soon.
Speaker 2: Take care.
Speaker 1: Last, and certainly not least on this special Father's Day
Speaker 1: edition of the most dramatic podcast ever. One of my
Speaker 1: favorite humans and again the reason I have these guys
Speaker 1: on today. They're also great dads. Bob Guiney, happy father
Speaker 1: of two to two beautiful children.
Speaker 3: And Blake.
Speaker 1: How you doing, Buddy?
Speaker 3: I'm awesome, buddy. How are you happy? Fires Adu?
Speaker 1: Happy Father's Day? So I had Ryan Souter on, JP Rosenbaum,
Speaker 1: Bob Kenny and three very good friends of mine, great fathers.
Speaker 1: But you're all dads in very different ways. Ryan was
Speaker 1: kind of younger and probably more of the traditional route.
Speaker 1: We all saw him. You know beat you out to
Speaker 1: find love with Trista. We me welcome my ass And
Speaker 1: I wanted to dive in with JP about because you know,
Speaker 1: he's like me. His kids are a product of divorce
Speaker 1: and how he's handled that so eloquently, and they've done
Speaker 1: a great job. With you a father a little later
Speaker 1: in life. Yeah, And I've wondered, because you know, I'm
Speaker 1: a dad later in life. But my kids are now
Speaker 1: twenty years old. Your your son just graduated from preschool.
Speaker 1: I think he did.
Speaker 3: He did?
Speaker 1: How is that giving you the perspective on life of
Speaker 1: being a dad, of being able to appreciate things probably
Speaker 1: a little more.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I will say this, first of all,
Speaker 3: thank you for including me on this and and what
Speaker 3: great company to be in with JP and and Ryan
Speaker 3: and with you, I mean, and three people I really
Speaker 3: care about and I've gotten to know over the years.
Speaker 3: And I feel you know, you and I are the
Speaker 3: closest in age, and for us to be at such
Speaker 3: different stages in the game from the parenting perspective, it
Speaker 3: is pretty interesting. But you know, I will say this,
Speaker 3: I think for me, and I can only I can
Speaker 3: only say this about myself, right Uh, for me, to
Speaker 3: be at this age having kids. There is the right
Speaker 3: time for me, I think. I think at a younger
Speaker 3: point in the game, maybe I will. I don't want
Speaker 3: to say I would have necessarily been too selfish, because
Speaker 3: I don't want to think I would have ever been
Speaker 3: too selfish for for kids. But I did kind of
Speaker 3: get to a point thinking, well, maybe I'm not going
Speaker 3: to be a dad, and I always thought I would
Speaker 3: have been, you know, and to be in a spot
Speaker 3: now where I am a father and to realize, man,
Speaker 3: I don't even think I knew what love was until
Speaker 3: I have my kids, you know, and you can actually
Speaker 3: see them growing, and you know, yeah, I just I
Speaker 3: feel really blessed. I hate when people say that, because
Speaker 3: it's for whatever reason, it irritates me. But I do
Speaker 3: feel blessed, and I do feel lucky, and I do
Speaker 3: feel like I've had kind of a charmed existence from
Speaker 3: the standpoint of you know, I'm not the guy sitting
Speaker 3: here thinking, oh man, for for these damn kids, I'd
Speaker 3: be out doing something fun. Right, Well, you and I
Speaker 3: have had such a fun life, and it's like I
Speaker 3: don't regret anything, especially when I look back on it
Speaker 3: now and I have my family.
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, I don't. By the way, it's it's
Speaker 1: not silly, it's not cheesy, and it doesn't know if
Speaker 1: you don't feel unbelievably blessed to you know, have to
Speaker 1: have your father around to celebrate Father's Day with, to
Speaker 1: call him, to have your dad be able to see
Speaker 1: his grandkids, and then now for me and you to
Speaker 1: feel that kind of love and responsibility and just be
Speaker 1: grateful for you know, being able to be a dad.
Speaker 1: It truly is the greatest thing. And I agree. You
Speaker 1: know there's benefits to being younger. I guess because you
Speaker 1: know you can stay up and you know you're a
Speaker 1: little more I think God gives you a little maybe
Speaker 1: a little more patience. But you know, when you're older,
Speaker 1: you probably have the perspective. And this is a very
Speaker 1: important thing for a dad, I think, is you kind
Speaker 1: of know what's important. You know what to really pour
Speaker 1: your energy into. I think as a young dad, I
Speaker 1: probably poured my energy into things that didn't matter. I
Speaker 1: mean we talk about sports. Everyone's oh, yeah, I want
Speaker 1: my kid to be the best in this and this,
Speaker 1: and you realize, oh my god, it doesn't matter. Your
Speaker 1: kid doesn't need to play one hundred and eighty baseball
Speaker 1: games and travel ball. You don't need to spend twenty
Speaker 1: billion dollars so they can possibly get a ten thousand
Speaker 1: dollars scholarship to cabbage. Yeah, it's just like funny. You
Speaker 1: know how to be there, you know how to talk
Speaker 1: to them. Probably more. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: benefits to being older.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's funny. You bring up the sports thing,
Speaker 3: and it is kind of interesting. You know, my I
Speaker 3: played college sports and my wife played you know, like
Speaker 3: really high level soccer, and you know, everyone's like, you know,
Speaker 3: well are you are you teaching how to fill in
Speaker 3: the ball yet I'm like, well, what he wants to
Speaker 3: you know, and they're like, what do you mean. I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: when he says, Daddy, let's let's play catch, I'm like okay.
Speaker 3: But I'm not like making him out there and run drills.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, my dad didn't do that to me.
Speaker 3: And my dad the way my dad brought me up
Speaker 3: was was so casual. My dad was never my coach.
Speaker 3: He was always like maybe an assistant coach at best
Speaker 3: on a team if they needed volunteers, But he was
Speaker 3: never the one deciding the lineup and and I love
Speaker 3: him for that. You know, he was never in that
Speaker 3: situation where anyone looked at me like I was getting
Speaker 3: favorite treatment even though I wasn't, or you know whatever,
Speaker 3: and so yeah, I think I think that's.
Speaker 1: Been something supportive but casual.
Speaker 3: Supportive but casual. Yeah, definitely not pushing his own personal
Speaker 3: agenda on me ever, you know. And and I think I,
Speaker 3: if anything, I definitely learned that from my dad and
Speaker 3: the fact that you know, you know my story, but
Speaker 3: how I moved back home to Michigan and got to
Speaker 3: spend two years with my dad where he got to
Speaker 3: really know my son Grayson, and my son Grayson still
Speaker 3: talks about him to this day, you know. And he
Speaker 3: was Blake was born right before my dad passed, and
Speaker 3: so it was like, you know, my dad knew all right,
Speaker 3: my boys got you know, two sons, and you know,
Speaker 3: it was like, yeah, I'll never forget you know, the
Speaker 3: conversation I have with my dad on the day he
Speaker 3: passed away where he was like, you take care of
Speaker 3: those three boys, and I'm like three, and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, I like, oh, my dad must be losing it,
Speaker 3: you know, and he's like, no, you take care of
Speaker 3: Grayson and Blake. The fact that he remembered Blake in
Speaker 3: that moment, you know, yeah, and he's like, and Jack,
Speaker 3: my nephew Jack, who's twenty three. I'm like, I think
Speaker 3: my brother in law JD's got that one covered. He's like, nah,
Speaker 3: you take care of him. You know, you got Jadre
Speaker 3: and my dad loves my brother in love. But it
Speaker 3: was so funny and it was just one of those
Speaker 3: moments where you know, I'm so thankful that things worked
Speaker 3: out the way they did and you know, I'm here now.
Speaker 3: But being a dad is the greatest privilege of my life.
Speaker 1: This week and this week is kind of bittersweet for
Speaker 1: you and uh and I share this with you know, Lauren,
Speaker 1: because her dad passed away when she was in her twenties.
Speaker 1: It's a bittersweet week for a dad like you because
Speaker 1: it's like, you're thinking of your dad and all the
Speaker 1: great things that you know, the stories you just shared,
Speaker 1: which is wonderful. But then you know, and but you
Speaker 1: are a dad as well, so you're you know, it's
Speaker 1: a little celebratory, it's a little probably a little bittersweet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. You know, we did that to ourselves.
Speaker 2: For our wedding too.
Speaker 3: I don't think I told you this, but you know,
Speaker 3: I remember, and you were invited by the way. I
Speaker 3: know you couldn't come at the time. But we got
Speaker 3: married on my dad's birthday, and I just thought that
Speaker 3: was the greatest idea at the time. He was my
Speaker 3: best man, and yeah, you know, I just I didn't
Speaker 3: I didn't think it through, you know, And so I
Speaker 3: didn't realize every wedding anniversary I'm going to be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: let's go celebrate, and oh, I missed my dad, you know.
Speaker 3: But but yeah, so Father's Day is a different thing
Speaker 3: for me in that regard, because I do I do
Speaker 3: miss him, But but you know what, I missed my
Speaker 3: dad every day and I think I think ultimately from
Speaker 3: that perspective, I think my dad would have wanted me
Speaker 3: to spend that Father's Day with my boys doing whatever
Speaker 3: they want to do.
Speaker 2: And that's my wife.
Speaker 3: So I was like, what do you want to do
Speaker 3: for Father's Day? I'm like, whatever Grayson and Blake want
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 1: It's about That's so funny. I just asked Jp the
Speaker 1: same thing. I go, you know, what do you really
Speaker 1: want to do on Father's Day? And he said the
Speaker 1: same thing is. Honestly, he's like, you know, you would
Speaker 1: love to just have the day off, but like it's
Speaker 1: really just you want to make the kids happy and
Speaker 1: do something where we can all kind of enjoy the
Speaker 1: activity whatever that is. It's funny, you know. I Father's
Speaker 1: Day and Mother's Day are just there's such different animals.
Speaker 3: No one really cares how much about Father's Day. Mother's
Speaker 3: Day we're like, what can we get her? Oh my god,
Speaker 3: what will show us show how much we love her?
Speaker 3: And Father's Day is kind of like when is that yesterday?
Speaker 1: That's in the middle of June. The kids are at
Speaker 1: camp and we got to get you know, we're on vacation.
Speaker 1: It's like, here's a tie.
Speaker 3: Well, I just said this to my wife on a refrigerator.
Speaker 3: You know. Grayson just graduated preschool, as you mentioned, and
Speaker 3: he had this thing, you know, my mom and it's
Speaker 3: all it was from Mother's Day and it was everything
Speaker 3: from like my mom loves to do this, and my
Speaker 3: mom and I love to do that, and I'm like
Speaker 3: and I was looking at it and there's some funny
Speaker 3: stuff on there. You know, my mom likes to drink
Speaker 3: and Grayson puts the wine, you know.
Speaker 1: Like what he knows mom well, he knows mom so well.
Speaker 3: But I'm like, and I even said him, like, hey,
Speaker 3: Father's Day, we need to move it up. I'm like,
Speaker 3: he's already out of school. It's like, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to get one of these. I want to hear what
Speaker 3: he thinks of me.
Speaker 1: Well that and that is the case. It's true, like
Speaker 1: if you have a birthday, because I'm a July birthday.
Speaker 1: So it was never in school, and I was always
Speaker 1: so envious to the kids that like, you stopped and
Speaker 1: this is back in the day when you were allowed
Speaker 1: to bring food and she'd bring cupcakes and you'd sing
Speaker 1: and they had like this moment and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh man. I was like, I'm never going to get
Speaker 1: that in the middle of July. Same thing with Father's Day,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. It is. But I will say Canyon
Speaker 3: is pretty thoughtful. She goes, hey, don't ruin it, but
Speaker 3: we may have got you covered on this, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh really, So I'm interested to see what my son says.
Speaker 3: I do know. I do know one answer actually, which
Speaker 3: I think you'll find funny. So I said something to
Speaker 3: him one day about you know, Oh, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 3: Daddy's gonna go. We had like a bunch of friends
Speaker 3: over and I said, well, Daddy's gonna go get something
Speaker 3: to drink. And he said, is that a mister Guinea original?
Speaker 3: And that's what I call a vodka soda? You know,
Speaker 3: that's an m g Oh, that's a mister Guinea original,
Speaker 3: you know. And so he's like, is that a mister
Speaker 3: Guinea original. So now that I know he knows that,
Speaker 3: I can see it being on my little sheet. So
Speaker 3: we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey, I've asked uh the guys about you know,
Speaker 1: being a dad and all that. But how I would
Speaker 1: like to end with you tell me a great memory,
Speaker 1: great story about your dad.
Speaker 3: Oh man, you're gonna make me cry. Sorry, too many
Speaker 3: to mention for sure, But you know, my dad was
Speaker 3: born on Veterans Day and my dad was which means
Speaker 3: so now if you think about what I just said,
Speaker 3: my my wedding day is also on Veterans Day. My
Speaker 3: and he was he was a marine, and he was
Speaker 3: a police officer in my hometown. And uh, you know,
Speaker 3: my dad was inducted into the Riverview Hall of Fame,
Speaker 3: which is you know, we're a small town just south
Speaker 3: of Detroit, and and and his proudest moment was for me.
Speaker 3: It was not the bachelor's stuff, not Michigan State football stuff,
Speaker 3: none of that. It was well before I had children,
Speaker 3: i should say, because that was really the proudest. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it was when I got inducted into the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 3: and we were both on the same wall, you know,
Speaker 3: had Robert guinea and Robert Guiney, and I decided to
Speaker 3: make my speech all about my dad that day. He
Speaker 3: was still with us, and he was there, and uh,
Speaker 3: at the end of my speech, uh, you know.
Speaker 2: Everyone was clapping and crying and everything.
Speaker 3: And I come down and I think, I'm gonna give
Speaker 3: my dad this big hug, and he's gonna you know,
Speaker 3: he's gonna get emotional, and you know he he did.
Speaker 3: Later I will say that, but in a moment, my
Speaker 3: dad goes, what the hell do you always do this?
Speaker 3: You know, you get an honor like this and you
Speaker 3: never talk about yourself. He's like, you always talk about me.
Speaker 3: And he's like, do you much how much pressure that
Speaker 3: puts on being the other Bob? Get me? And I
Speaker 3: thought it was so funny because I'm like Dad, I'm
Speaker 3: the other Bob Guinea, You're the o g Man, You're
Speaker 3: the original. But it was just like my dad, you know,
Speaker 3: leave it to him. He you know, he was never
Speaker 3: that great at really taking compliments or hearing someone talk
Speaker 3: about him, because all he wanted to do was hear
Speaker 3: about me or hear.
Speaker 4: About everyone else.
Speaker 3: And and so you know, Neils to say, I need
Speaker 3: to take a little page out of that, because I
Speaker 3: you know, I really love hearing. I love hearing about me.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about me.
Speaker 3: Let's Chris, I've heard so much about you. Can we
Speaker 3: talk more about me?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But it became one of those things that I was like, man,
Speaker 3: I just want to be like as I become older,
Speaker 3: and as I grow older with my children, I really
Speaker 3: I realize, you know, how our parents prepare us, you know,
Speaker 3: in ways that we don't even realize. And I think
Speaker 3: my dad really gave me the most amazing blueprint on
Speaker 3: how to be a dad without saying a thing and
Speaker 3: without ever preaching, and without ever trying to shove anything
Speaker 3: down my throat. And so as I as I am,
Speaker 3: you know, finally starting to discover these things and these messages.
Speaker 3: I think the greatest story I can tell about my
Speaker 3: dad would be the fact that, I mean, he really
Speaker 3: taught me how to be a dad every single day
Speaker 3: without saying a word. And I think I'm gonna try
Speaker 3: and do the same thing, you know, just trying to
Speaker 3: do as well as I can and his you know,
Speaker 3: hopefully he's watching me and he's thinking I'm doing a
Speaker 3: great job. But you know, it's it's pretty remarkable how
Speaker 3: much I think about him every day and those moments.
Speaker 3: You know, you get me emotional every time we talk. Chris,
Speaker 3: you do this thing a lot, by the way, You're
Speaker 3: really good at it. Oh but I love you, buddy,
Speaker 3: and I appreciate you let me talk about my dad
Speaker 3: a little bit. Thank you. Well.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you sharing that. And that is the true sentiment.
Speaker 1: If you take anything away from Father's Day, that is
Speaker 1: it the great men in our lives that teach give
Speaker 1: their selfless and most of the time never asking for
Speaker 1: anything in return. And often it's those lessons that we
Speaker 1: don't even realize we've received until much later in life.
Speaker 1: So my love to the og Robert Guinney, thank you, buddy,
Speaker 1: and my love to my dear friend Bob Guinny, who,
Speaker 1: by the way, you are a great dad and he
Speaker 1: would be incredibly proud of you as I am, and
Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to have you on the show today.
Speaker 1: And I loved you, and Happy Father's Day, man.
Speaker 3: I love you, buddy. You're a great example too as
Speaker 3: a dad, and I love you and I appreciate how
Speaker 3: much you give to your kids and to your beautiful
Speaker 3: life too, So I love you. Thank you for having
Speaker 3: me on, and thank you for including me in this
Speaker 3: group of great dads because I love those guys.
Speaker 1: So thank you, My thanks to three incredible dads and
Speaker 1: three incredible friends of mine. Ryan Sutter, JP Rosenbaum, Bob Guinney.
Speaker 1: You know, what are the takeaways? I just realized after
Speaker 1: saying goodbye to Bob, how different we all are different
Speaker 1: walks of life, we parent differently, We're very different dads.
Speaker 1: We've had different situations. But I would say successful, wonderful
Speaker 1: fathers in our own right and in our own way.
Speaker 1: And I guess the main takeaway is there's no right way,
Speaker 1: there's no one way. And you know, people will write
Speaker 1: books about parenting and this is the way to do it.
Speaker 1: I've never really believed in that because there is no
Speaker 1: one way, because no two kids are the same, No
Speaker 1: two human beings are the same. You know, with Joshua
Speaker 1: and Taylor, I can't parent them the same, just like
Speaker 1: Bob Guinney can't parent Grayson and Blake the same. They're
Speaker 1: just two different human beings that will have different experiences,
Speaker 1: different lives, different loves, passions, et cetera. And so I
Speaker 1: really respect the fact that those guys came on, shared
Speaker 1: their experience and how different they were. But again, I
Speaker 1: truly admire and respect all three of them, which is
Speaker 1: why I wanted to have them on. I love those
Speaker 1: men and they are strong, beautiful, wonderful guys, and I'm
Speaker 1: glad that we all can be friends and share. And
Speaker 1: again my best to Bob's late dad, the original Robert Ginney.
Speaker 1: To all of you out there, whether your dads are
Speaker 1: with us, whether they're unfortunately or not, Happy Father's Day.
Speaker 1: To all the dads out there, Happy Father's Day, and
Speaker 1: thank you for what you do, because I know a
Speaker 1: lot has made you know about parenting and this crazy
Speaker 1: world we live in. But a strong dad, that strong
Speaker 1: presence is such an important thing. I'm grateful for it.
Speaker 1: And your dad out there were grateful for you. So
Speaker 1: Happy Father's Day all, my love, thanks for listening. Follow
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