1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison Company from the home office in Austin, Texas 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: for this special, very special Father's Day edition of the 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: Most Dramatic podcast Ever. I've never done this, but since 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: we're all so much older and we've all become dads, 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: I thought what a cool thing to do for this 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: Father's Day week to go back and talk to some 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: of not only my favorite people who I got to 9 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: know through the show over the years, but also some 10 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: of my favorite dads on the show. And that is 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: Ryan Sutter, JP Rosenbaum, and Bob Genny. That's right, Bob Genny. 12 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,639 Speaker 1: I consider him a friend and a dad. And he's 13 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: actually a friend of my first guest as well, because 14 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: they were on the same season and fought for the 15 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: love of the same woman. Bob Genny somehow didn't win 16 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: that battle against Ryan Sutter, and the rest is television history. 17 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: The first dad I wanted to bring on. Ryan, good to. 18 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: See you, buddy. It's you, Chris. Thanks for having me. 19 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: It's been way too long. First of all, we have 20 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: to say, I'm just glad you're still a dad. All 21 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: the drama on social media. 22 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: Right the second you think Milone was paying attention to 23 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: you in life, something like that happens. 24 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. So I follow you and Trista 25 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: clearly online, and you guys are dear friends of ours, 26 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: and I know you to be a poet. I know 27 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: you to be a great writer. You express yourself that way, 28 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: and so when I read your thing, I said, yeah, 29 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of, you know, over the top and melodramatic. 30 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: That's Ryan. You know, he was in a mood. If 31 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 1: you know Ryan, he's he can get in these moods 32 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: and it's not always about his family, sometimes just about 33 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: his health and his life. And so you're a great writer, 34 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: and so I know you express yourself that way. And 35 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: when I started reading the comments, I'm like, oh God, 36 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: people are really freaking out. They don't know what he's 37 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: talking about. And not that I really knew what you 38 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: were talking about, but at the same time, I knew 39 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: that that's not exactly how you would come on and 40 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: announce something dramatic happening in your life. 41 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well yeah, First of all, if there was something 42 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: really really bad happening in my life, I wouldn't be 43 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: telling anyone like That's the other side of me that 44 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: you probably know is that I have a most of 45 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 2: my personal life state is pretty personal. So this was 46 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 2: so my take on social media is twofold. I enjoy 47 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: I mostly only use Instagram because I like pictures, and 48 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 2: I love looking back on my life and reflecting on 49 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 2: with the fatherhood theme, reflecting on my kids when they 50 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: were younger, and the writing portion of it just reminds 51 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 2: me of of the emotional states I was in at 52 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: those particular times. And you're right, Usually it's like all 53 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 2: most all good art seems to come from some sort 54 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 2: of it's not not tragic event, but something that really 55 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: hits you emotionally. 56 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: Well, pain and struggle always gives us good art. 57 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And I feel like and you made me 58 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 2: feel the same way. But I feel like I do 59 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 2: have some responsibility as someone that people know a little 60 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: bit about to share in some of that and let 61 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: people know, Hey, I deal with loneliness too, I deal 62 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 2: with health issues too. I deal with this stuff too, 63 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 2: and it's okay. The intent is not to be like, hey, 64 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 2: I'm going to throw this out here and make people 65 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: wonder if my wife's alive. You know, that's not what 66 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: I'm going out of all. 67 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: The people that troll social media for you know, clicks, 68 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: and Ryan is not that guy. 69 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 2: No, I'll go months without a post and then suddenly 70 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 2: I'll get like in a mood, I'll and I'll send something. 71 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: And this was a particular thing that Trista was doing. 72 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 2: And it was the end of the school year. It's 73 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: been kind of a long year for us, moving and 74 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: lots of things going on. So whatever the culmination of 75 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: all that happened, and I was in that sort of place, 76 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 2: so I sent that out and as kind of a reminder, 77 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: And honestly, the intent was Trista wasn't going to be 78 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: able to have access to social media until she got 79 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: finished with this experience she was on. So I was 80 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 2: going to post these things, knowing the second she had 81 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: access to it, she would look at it and she 82 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: could see like, here's the here's what happened while you 83 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: were gone, Here's how much we missed you, here's how 84 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: much you know, how important you are to us, all 85 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: this sort of stuff, and then it just blew up 86 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 2: in my face and backgard. 87 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, like I meant this to be a love letter 88 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: to my life, not the most dramatic thing. Yeah, yes, 89 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: but and the funny thing is and then it kept going, 90 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: and it kept going. But that's that's the world we 91 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: live in, right, the clickbait, it all just kept It's 92 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: so funny because of all the people in the world 93 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: who would never want that or do that, right, And 94 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure Trista was like, what did you do? You 95 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: blew up my life? 96 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: I know it was. It was nuts, even the totally 97 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 2: innocent ones, like when we left Mexico, I think I 98 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 2: just said, like, audios, we had this staying there with 99 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 2: me and the kids. We always would be like no, 100 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: SBN s Moubian like it's this isn't good. It's really good. 101 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, We're not just good, We're great. 102 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: That's all I put. And people are like, oh my god, 103 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 2: stop it with the drama. 104 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,679 Speaker 1: And speaking to the kids, because this is the Father's 105 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: Day edition. Maxwell and Blakesley, you were a father, your 106 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: kids are You're getting up there? 107 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 2: Man? 108 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: What fourteen sixteen now? 109 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 2: Yep? Well fifteen sixteen, sixteen fifteen? 110 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wow, that's that's true. July. Well wait, who's 111 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 1: she's April. 112 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 2: She's April third. Max will be seventeen in July July 113 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 2: twenty sixth, on your birthday. 114 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, well I never let him forget it. 115 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: How is how has that changed now? Because I loved 116 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: every aspect of being a dad when they were kids, 117 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: you know, like babies and growing up, and then you're 118 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: teaching them how to walk and talk and introducing them 119 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: to hockey and all those things. But now that they 120 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: are young adults, as they kind of are now at 121 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: this age, how is how is your relationship with them 122 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: evolved and how has it gotten better? 123 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm like you, I feel like every phase in 124 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 2: life I was, I was in the in the mindset 125 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 2: of like, I wish they could just day of this 126 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 2: age forever, and then they would go from four to 127 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: six and they're like, ooh, this is even better. And 128 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 2: now we're having adult conversations. I have less time with 129 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 2: them because they're so busy and they're like Max can 130 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 2: drive himself to hockey. So we don't have those moments anymore. 131 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 2: And you can tell there they're wanting to be independent 132 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: and they're wanting to grow, and so some of it 133 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 2: now is allowing that to happen, sort of allowing the 134 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: mistakes to happen, allowing the experiences to happen rather than 135 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 2: trying to formulate those for them, right, and that's sometimes tough. 136 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: But both Tristan and I are in this place where 137 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 2: you go from oh, my god, not another hockey tournamently 138 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: we got a every week and it's hockey, Hockey dance dance, 139 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: to like, oh, I can't wait for the next hockey 140 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: game because you can see the end event. Max would 141 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: love to play hockey after high school, but we know 142 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 2: the sports world is difficult and that's not always an option. 143 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: So An injuries or what ever happened. So I find 144 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: myself soaking up every opportunity to watch them do the 145 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: things they love to do now, and like this trip 146 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 2: to Mexico, just hanging out with them and going snorkeling, 147 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: and you know, I would be dead tired from surfing 148 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 2: or something and LAKESI would want to go out and 149 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: snorkel and you're like, oh, yeah, let's go, let's go 150 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 2: do it, because in the back of your mind, you're like, 151 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 2: you just know your opportunities to do this are limited 152 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: as they continue to grow and become more independent. And 153 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: then the next thing, you know, they're the one with 154 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: ones with the kids and we're the grandfathers. You know, 155 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: this is the this is the rabbit hole. I can't 156 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: go down too far or it gives me anxiety. I'm like, oh, 157 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 2: my god grandfather, I can't be a godfather. 158 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, just you know, I always say I tell parents, like, 159 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, I was always worried about the college step, 160 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: And it really was the driving that separates you, because man, 161 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: how much do you miss picking them up from hockey? 162 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: And yeah, your car stunk to death because you lacrosse 163 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: and hockey are the smelliest sports in the world. But 164 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: the kids would be in the backseat just talking to 165 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: each other with their friends, and that was the download. 166 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: You got all, you know, the information, and you really 167 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: heard exactly how excited they were, how hurt they were, 168 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: or whatever it was. And that is really that pivotal 169 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: moment when they start driving, and you do you relish 170 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: those moments. Now, I'll meet you at your game, and 171 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: in that hug after the game is over never gets old. 172 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I know, it's it's I mean, parenting is 173 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 2: one of those things that you people tell you how 174 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: great it is, and until you actually experience, you never 175 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 2: really know the depth of it. And I actually just 176 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 2: saw something recently where I think it was David Coggins 177 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 2: or something, one of those crazy dudes was like, and 178 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: this is the period of life I feel like I'm 179 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 2: in is it's all about setting my kids up. That 180 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 2: my trophies, if you will, in life, are my kids, 181 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 2: how they interact with other people. They're my representation of 182 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: of who I am and who I want them to be. 183 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 2: And I just want to give them as much as 184 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: I can at this point in their life to set 185 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: them up to be successful, caring, sympathetic, empathetic, smart young people. 186 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: And so that's why you know, Tristan, I moved to Denver, 187 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 2: we did or we've done this kind of major life 188 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: change in order to just put the full focus on 189 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 2: our kids for this last two three years because we 190 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 2: know that they're going to go out in the world 191 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: and it's really important. Your first impression on in the 192 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: world is really important. And you know, I'm not saying 193 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: that selfishly that that I want them to represent me. 194 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: I want them to go out and be like, oh, hey, 195 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 2: Ryan's a great dad because his kids are great, but 196 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 2: kind of I do. I want them to go out 197 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: there and be like, hey, these are great kids. You 198 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 2: must have been there for them. You want you that's 199 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: just that's kind of the validation for the amount of 200 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 2: love and an opportunity that you can give your kids. 201 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 2: And so that's been the real focus that it's not 202 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 2: keeping them necessarily just like actually safe, you know, like 203 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: making sure they don't drown and you know, crack their 204 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 2: head open the anymore. It's basically setting them up to 205 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 2: be competent young adults and confident people. And that's a 206 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: trickier thing to do with teenagers. 207 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 1: Well, I think you said something very important. I think 208 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: as a dad, as a parent, allow your kids to fail. 209 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: Don't always save them from every moment. And it's hard 210 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 1: to do. You want to go in and I think 211 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: this generation of parents has has done that to a 212 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: fault of going in and never letting kids fail. And 213 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: you really need to let them figure things out. Like 214 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: if they're not getting the playing time on a team 215 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: and they're bitching and moaning about it, it's like, okay, 216 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: well then go talk to your coach, you go talk 217 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: to them, or you do this, find out what you 218 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: need to do, and see, you know you're failing this class. 219 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: You go in and I'm not going to go in 220 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: and talk to your teacher. This is on you, and 221 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: you know you can help give them those guidelines and 222 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: how the parameters of how to do that. But it's 223 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: got to be on them to have those tough conversations 224 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: and to allow them to lose, to fail to all 225 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: those things are important that you know, because they're going 226 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: to in the real world. You're not always going to 227 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: get the job. You're not always getting the trophy. That's 228 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: not how it works. 229 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, you're right, And no matter how hard you 230 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: try to protect them from all that stuff, you can't. 231 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 2: I had a really great fire chief one time. We 232 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 2: were talking about his son, and his son played football 233 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 2: and he was struggling, like you said, and he came 234 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 2: right out and said, listen. His son's name was Taya, 235 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 2: and he said, Tya, you're not really that good, Like 236 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: you need to start thinking about after football life. And 237 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 2: then he said he actually said that was the worst 238 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: mistake he ever made in his life because he could 239 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: have just been supportive, like, hey, maybe hit the weight 240 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 2: room a little more, be faster, knowing in the back 241 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 2: of his mind that life was going to teach his 242 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 2: son that lesson. So it hurt their relationship because his 243 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 2: dad discouraged him from pursuing what at the time was 244 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 2: a dream rather than just supporting, which is what I 245 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 2: do with my I mean, you know, I am no 246 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: one thought I was going to go play one to 247 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 2: get my one play in the NFL that I got, ever, 248 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 2: because my parents never told me to stop pursuing that dream. 249 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 2: And I'll never tell Max to do that, even though 250 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 2: I know he's got a less than one percent chance 251 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 2: of everythlaying. 252 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: He'll climb no matter how good you are. 253 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, but life will teach him that lesson, And so 254 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 2: allowing life to teach them some lessons is really it's 255 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: really hard for Trista, especially she she wants to be 256 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 2: like and God bless her, she is the most nurturing, 257 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: caring person all I've ever met. But that's the battle 258 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 2: her and I have. It's like, hey, you gotta let you, 259 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: gotta let him go a little bit, because they're they're 260 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 2: not going to listen to you in the first place, 261 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 2: So just let them learn the lesson and salvage your 262 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 2: relationship with them and then be there to kind of 263 00:12:58,320 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 2: help them well. 264 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: And I always felt like, if you know the failures 265 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: on these small scales of you didn't make the varsity, 266 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: or you didn't get to start this this season, or 267 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: you didn't get the part and the play that you wanted. Yeah, 268 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: those are really nice small failures that will help you 269 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: later in life when you actually have something meaningful that 270 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: you know, you think it's the biggest thing in the world, 271 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: but it's not. You know, there's bigger things ahead in 272 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: their life that they're going to have to, you know, 273 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: get over those obstacles, and so you got to have 274 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: those smaller micro failures later so you can handle the 275 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: big stuff. How would you like to celebrate Father's Day? 276 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: I think I'm actually working, which is usually. 277 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: The case, but saving lives, it's what it's what he does. 278 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 2: Hang on one second, we have this puppy who is 279 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 2: chewing up my daughter's ballet issue damage. 280 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: That was the biggest dad comment ever. I have a 281 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: puppy who's chewing up my daughter's belly shoe. There you go. 282 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: That just sums up Father's day right there. 283 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 2: Thatsris has been asking me that too. And then i'lso 284 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 2: have my fiftieth birthday birthday coming. 285 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: Up and welcome to the club. 286 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, great, I don't know I don't. I 287 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: would love to just spend some time with the family. 288 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: We had this that Mexico trip was just so awesome. 289 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 2: For whatever reason, our kids get along really well when 290 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: we're on vacation. They suddenly become friends rather than just siblings. 291 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 2: And yeah, I would love to somehow be able to 292 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 2: duplicate that on that day. But I don't put a 293 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 2: lot of I guess weight on these sorts of days anymore. 294 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 2: It's just for me. Every day is Father's Day. I 295 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 2: get to enjoy being a dad every day I wake 296 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 2: up in the morning, and that's plenty good for me. 297 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: That sums it up. That's like, you know, I did 298 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: a separate little podcast about what Dn's like. Dad just 299 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: want honestly, if you take a moment, you give us 300 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: your time, give us a call, write us a letter. 301 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: Did your kids get the writing gene? Did you pass 302 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: that down to them to take time to write letters? 303 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 2: You know what? 304 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 3: Max? 305 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: Max has a girlfriend and she took a family vacation 306 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 2: for twelve days over in Europe or something. I didn't 307 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: even know this, but Tristad told me. He didn't tell 308 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: trust either. He wrote her a note for every day 309 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 2: she was gone, and then presented it to her when 310 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: she got back in like a fancy box that he 311 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 2: like wrapped sort of special, and I didn't read it. 312 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 2: Stop it, geeth, he's got breastmant he's chewing on he 313 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: uh so. And then the second part of that is 314 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: he hated English class starting the school year. And then 315 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 2: we got a note from his teacher about a month 316 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 2: and a half ago before school saying how proud he 317 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 2: was of Max in the progress he's made writing and 318 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: he's he's embraced it. And he didn't. It's not natural. 319 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 2: I kept telling him, like, listen, you need to know 320 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: how to do this. It's important. But it's crazy Chris, 321 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: like just seeing him all of a sudden be fully 322 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: engaged in life, reading reading books, like he just read 323 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 2: that Make Your Bedbook from cover to cover yesterday, and 324 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 2: he's like he's into it. He's trying to get better 325 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 2: at sports. He wakes up every morning and goes over 326 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 2: the ice drink it's like fifteen minutes from our house, 327 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 2: skates for an hour by himself. Like he's just driven. 328 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: And it's really cool to see Blake'sy's the same way, 329 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 2: minus the getting up at six in the morning. But 330 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: She's the same way with dance, and it's you just 331 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 2: get so proud of your kids because they are figuring 332 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: it out, and they're figuring it out kind of on 333 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 2: their own, without a whole lot of pushing. We're just, 334 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 2: like I said, we're just sort of supporting them and 335 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 2: they're somehow managing to figure it out. So it's cool. 336 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: Well, they're managing because you're an excellent dad. You're an 337 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: amazing example of the grind, the fortitude, what it takes 338 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: to be successful, to overcome you know, health obstacles, et cetera. 339 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: And that's why I wanted to have you on. I 340 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: don't get to talk to you enough, and we have 341 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: two more dads waiting in the wings, but I really 342 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: wanted to have you on because you really, I think 343 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: you are a shining example of a just a good 344 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: man and a good human. But you're a great dad 345 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: and so happy Father's Day, my friend. 346 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 2: Thanks sir, I appreciate it. It's great. Likewise, the feeling 347 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:11,719 Speaker 2: is mutual. 348 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: My love to you to trust it to the kids. 349 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: Have a great Father's Day and I'll talk to you soon. 350 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: Thanks Chris. 351 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: Hey there he is my next father, my next guest 352 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: on this Father's Day edition of the most dramatic podcast ever. 353 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: God he's still handsome as can be. JP Rosenbaum, How 354 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: you doing, buddy? 355 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 4: Oh good? 356 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 2: How you doing? 357 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 4: It's been a long time. 358 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: It's been so long. I was telling one of our producers. 359 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: I said, she said, how close are you in? 360 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 3: JP? 361 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: And I said, you know, he was one of my 362 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: favorite humans that ever came through the show. I love 363 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: him dearly. I used to get to see him five 364 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: or six times a year when he was working in 365 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: New York. We would always do dinner. We always made time, 366 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: and I just I never get to Miami. I realized 367 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: because of you, how little I ever go to Miami, 368 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: Because if I did, You're my first call. 369 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 4: I appreciate that. Yet we moved down about ten years ago, 370 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 4: and since then it's just, you know, life goes on, 371 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 4: like you know, things get in the way, and I 372 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 4: don't even get to La hardly ever. So but I 373 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 4: still love you just the same. 374 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: Well, if anybody's under it was under a rock. JP 375 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: was obviously on the Backchorette with Ashley where they found 376 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: love got married, and one of the reasons, obviously father 377 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: of two Si and Ford, he did it kind of 378 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: like me. 379 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 2: He had to. 380 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of the best set up, right, 381 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: the older son younger daughter. That's yeah, as they call 382 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: it the King's choice, right, right. And you know, one 383 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: of the reasons I wanted to have you on is 384 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: because A you're a good friend and you're a great dad. 385 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: But b as you're in the same boat as I am. 386 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: You your kids are a product of divorce and I 387 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: you know, did that and one of the things I 388 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: really and I'm gonna let you talk about this, but 389 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: one of the things I see publicly anyway, is that 390 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 1: you guys really respect each other. You still can have 391 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: enough respect for your ex Ashley and say, hey, you're 392 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: a good mom during Mother's Day, let's promote you on 393 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: Mother's Day, and let's make sure the kids are with 394 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: you on Mother's Day. And it seems to be on 395 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: Father's Day she's really good about Hey, JP's a great dad. 396 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: Let's make sure the kids are with you. 397 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 398 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 4: You know, I think we are very fortunate that we 399 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 4: are amicable and civil and know that the kids come first. 400 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 4: And you know, it's it's been a while now, it's 401 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 4: been four or five years. I don't even I mean, 402 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 4: we decided right before COVID hit, So it wasn't that 403 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 4: way initially. 404 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: Of course, feelings are hurt. 405 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 4: It's anger, and admittedly so more so on my end, 406 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 4: But we have come to a place now where everything 407 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 4: is relatively easy, that we know the children come first, 408 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 4: that there's no more anger and no more animosity, no 409 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,959 Speaker 4: more spitefulness, none of that really exists anymore. And you know, 410 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 4: the kids, I think see that we are on the 411 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 4: same team when it comes to them, and they always 412 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 4: come first. 413 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 2: And so it's not what it's. 414 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: Easy well' and that's I think you hit the nail 415 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: on the head. It's you have to make that commitment 416 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: of the kids come first, and it's easier said than done, because, 417 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: like you said, you know, divorce happens for millions of reasons, 418 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: and it's never a great one, right, It's never we 419 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: are so happy and everything's so awesome, we're going to 420 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: get divorced. So there's always some contentious something and there's 421 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: a raw nerve and so you really do have to 422 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: swallow that pride some sometimes one person more than the 423 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: other and just almost get over yourself a little bit 424 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: and just make that leap, because the kids do have 425 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: to come first, and man, they do notice, and it 426 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: makes such a big difference, and it makes you a 427 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: better dad, it makes her a better mom in the 428 00:20:59,480 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: long run. 429 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, And they see us together and there are smiles, 430 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 4: there's no fighting, there's no anger, there's and they I 431 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 4: know that they can feel that, you know, they can 432 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 4: a lot. Yeah, And it just makes it easier. And 433 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 4: we've just kind of now fallen into a rhythm where 434 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 4: the kids are used to it. 435 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 2: There's a lot of share time. 436 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 4: You know, we're technically fifty to fifty, but we see 437 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 4: the kids. 438 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 2: More than that. On both sides. 439 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 4: We're flexible with days and times and watching the kids. 440 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 4: And so it is as easy of a divorced kind 441 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 4: of solution as you could you could hope for when 442 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 4: you're getting divorced. 443 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: I guess one of the great joys I have had, 444 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 1: and talk about a weird thing to have with your 445 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,959 Speaker 1: job when I hosted the show for you know, twenty years, 446 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: getting to know people like you. Ryan Sutter was just 447 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: on Bob Guiney's coming on right after you. These these 448 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: great friends of mine, and then I get to watch 449 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 1: them become dads. And I've watched you guys become great 450 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: dads and real role models for your kids and role 451 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: models for other fathers. And I've been watching you and 452 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: your kids and you're you're going fishing, and you know, 453 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: I know you love that you're sharing your passion of that. 454 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: And to watch the smile on your face when Ford's 455 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: holding up you know, a peacock bass or something is 456 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: just awesome. 457 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's it's you know, you don't 458 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 4: want to miss any of those little moments or the firsts, right. 459 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 4: I always talk about the first and and after a divorce, 460 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 4: I'm only with them fifty percent of the time, so 461 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 4: it feels like they mean even more. 462 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 2: You know. 463 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're trying to take any of that stuff for granted, 464 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 4: and the stuff that I know made me happy as 465 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 4: a kid, seeing them smile and bring them joy. It's 466 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 4: just it's just more impactful. I think after divorce that 467 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 4: you're just more sensitive to it. 468 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: That's funny, you know, I've I guess I've never articulated that, 469 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: but I felt the same way as you know, even 470 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: you know, no matter what your marriage is like, you're 471 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,959 Speaker 1: around your kids one hundred percent of the time. And 472 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: in the best divorce mine included it's fifty to fifty 473 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: and so you're just not there every morning to eat breakfast. 474 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: You're not there when they come home from from school 475 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: and bitch and moan or tell a great story. Just 476 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: you're missing half of the content, right, And so yeah, 477 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: that's in the best case scenario. So you're right, you 478 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: really do end up relishing those moments and try to 479 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: drink them in even more. 480 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And the. 481 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: Kids are probably going to be with you this week 482 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: or this weekend, I assume, you know. 483 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 4: So the schedule wasn't supposed to be that way, and 484 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 4: they and they do obviously spend the day with me 485 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 4: on Father's Day in the day with her on Mother's Day. 486 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 4: But again, like we're very flexible, so we switched days 487 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 4: up and I'm going to take the kids to New 488 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 4: York and see my family, my grandfather, their grandfather, and 489 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 4: oh awesome, Yes, we'll all be together this weekend. 490 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: That's so great? 491 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 3: Is that? You know? 492 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: I guess that leads to the answer to the question 493 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: I'm about to ask, is like what would be your 494 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: perfect Father's Day? Like what do you enjoy? 495 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 4: And I've had those commerce station a lot. You know, 496 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 4: when you're married, you kind of want the day off 497 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 4: as a thought. 498 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: And that's never what happens. 499 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 4: Right when you're divorced. You get the kids on Father's 500 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,479 Speaker 4: Day and look, it's great. So I have plenty of 501 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 4: days off now, but now that you know that I'm divorced, 502 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 4: So spending it with the kids doing something that I 503 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,719 Speaker 4: know they would love and I would love together that 504 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 4: that that's that's what it's all about. And what better 505 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 4: way to flap than flapp to New York and spend 506 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 4: it with the family that we don't get to see 507 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 4: all that. 508 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: That is going to be cool. How how old is 509 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: seeing Ford? 510 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 2: Now? 511 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 4: Ford is nine and a half. He just finished third grade. 512 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 4: And sh she's seven and a half and she just 513 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 4: finished first grade. 514 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 2: Wow. 515 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 4: So now transitioning to summer and camp and then it 516 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 4: starts all over in September. 517 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: It is amazing how much it changes you. And and 518 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: I just said this to Ryan, every stage gets better 519 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: and better. You want to keep them in that baby, 520 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: then you want to keep them as toddlers, then you 521 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: want to but every stage gets better and better. 522 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it also flies by too. I mean it's 523 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 4: such a cliche everyone says it, but. 524 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: Like so so damn true, man, you blink and. 525 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 4: They're in another grade. And and so I'm really trying 526 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 4: to make a conscious effort to slow things down as 527 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 4: much as I can and just enjoy it all because 528 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 4: I think I read something really silly, and I don't 529 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 4: know if it's true or not. It's one of those 530 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 4: Instagram rabbit holes you go down where you spend eighty 531 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 4: percent of your kids time, like with them up until 532 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 4: you know they're fifteen years old, and then they don't 533 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,479 Speaker 4: want to be around you as much. They go off 534 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:38,959 Speaker 4: to college. 535 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they just got stuff right. They're driving, they're good, 536 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,719 Speaker 1: they got practice, they got school. I mean I used to. 537 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: It was funny when, you know, because like you said, 538 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: I was fifty to fifty. I would have the kids 539 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: by myself in California. And I remember when my son 540 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: started driving and he could drive my daughter to school 541 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: as well, and I got up in the morning. I 542 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: would make them lunch. 543 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 2: You know. 544 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: I always did that, even though they you know, they 545 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: could do it themselves, but it was my thing. I 546 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: would get up and take them to school. And I'll 547 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 1: never forget that first time I made him lunch. And 548 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: then the kids came down and they grabbed their lunch 549 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: and they ran out, and I was like, oh, that's right, Like, 550 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: i'll see you later. I'll see you all after school. 551 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: And he's and my son's like, oh, I got practice, 552 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: and my daughter's like, oh I have I do too. 553 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: And then then I have this, and then I have 554 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: this and I'm like, okay, so I guess I'll see 555 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: you guys, like at seven o'clock tonight, right okay. And 556 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: then like the door closed and the house was so 557 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: quiet and I was there by myself, and I'm just like, 558 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: oh shit, wow, this that was it. The switch just happened, 559 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: and that was what you're talking about. It goes from 560 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: that eighty percent. You're picking them up, you're hearing the stories, 561 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: you're meeting, you know, and then it's like they're off 562 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: and you know, and now Josh has graduated college and 563 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: he's got his own apartment and he's working and it's 564 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 1: come on and now I'm just like, hey, buddy, can 565 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: we just go grab lunch? Can we go to the 566 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: gym together? It's you do get You got to drink 567 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: those moments in. 568 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 569 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 4: So I'm definitely focused on doing that, no matter how 570 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 4: much to try and slow it down, it still flies by. 571 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: I think the more you try to slow it down, 572 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: the more it flies by. But but but but you know, 573 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: Lauren always said this and I and it's true and 574 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 1: I never articulated this either of Like you put in 575 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: the time now, you put in the work now as 576 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: a dad, so you just can enjoy them as adults later. 577 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think that's a that's a good way 578 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 4: to look at it. I can't picture it yet, but 579 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 4: but hopefully I'm setting the groundwork where they will want 580 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 4: to spend time with me when. 581 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: They're older, and they absolutely will. I'm telling you all 582 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 1: the work you're doing now, what you and Ashley have done, 583 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: how eloquent and beautifully you've handled everything. That's it pays 584 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: twenty fold, not just the time you're going to get 585 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: and how much they love you, but the human beings 586 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: that you're raising, like they're going to be great people. 587 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's your biggest fear, right you want it to. 588 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 4: I know, like nobody, no parent knows if they're doing 589 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 4: a good job or not, right, No total douchebags. When 590 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 4: they grow up and they know they're good people, and 591 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 4: you know they follow the right path, and you never know, 592 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 4: you know, you never know how they're going to turn out, 593 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 4: but you do your best and kind of hope for 594 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 4: the best. 595 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: Well, you guys have done an incredible job, and I 596 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: want to have you back on because you have not 597 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: been a guest on the show, and you and I 598 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: need to catch up. We need to really dive deep 599 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: and get into life because there's so much more I 600 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: want to ask you about. But most importantly, my friend, 601 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: Happy Father's Day. 602 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 4: Very very same to you, Chris. 603 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 1: I missed you, but love you, brother. Talk to you soon. 604 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 2: Take care. 605 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: Last, and certainly not least on this special Father's Day 606 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: edition of the most dramatic podcast ever. One of my 607 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: favorite humans and again the reason I have these guys 608 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: on today. They're also great dads. Bob Guiney, happy father 609 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: of two to two beautiful children. 610 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 3: And Blake. 611 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: How you doing, Buddy? 612 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 3: I'm awesome, buddy. How are you happy? Fires Adu? 613 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: Happy Father's Day? So I had Ryan Souter on, JP Rosenbaum, 614 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: Bob Kenny and three very good friends of mine, great fathers. 615 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: But you're all dads in very different ways. Ryan was 616 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: kind of younger and probably more of the traditional route. 617 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: We all saw him. You know beat you out to 618 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: find love with Trista. We me welcome my ass And 619 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: I wanted to dive in with JP about because you know, 620 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: he's like me. His kids are a product of divorce 621 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: and how he's handled that so eloquently, and they've done 622 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: a great job. With you a father a little later 623 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: in life. Yeah, And I've wondered, because you know, I'm 624 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: a dad later in life. But my kids are now 625 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: twenty years old. Your your son just graduated from preschool. 626 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: I think he did. 627 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 3: He did? 628 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: How is that giving you the perspective on life of 629 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: being a dad, of being able to appreciate things probably 630 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: a little more. 631 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I will say this, first of all, 632 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 3: thank you for including me on this and and what 633 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 3: great company to be in with JP and and Ryan 634 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 3: and with you, I mean, and three people I really 635 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 3: care about and I've gotten to know over the years. 636 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 3: And I feel you know, you and I are the 637 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 3: closest in age, and for us to be at such 638 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 3: different stages in the game from the parenting perspective, it 639 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 3: is pretty interesting. But you know, I will say this, 640 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 3: I think for me, and I can only I can 641 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 3: only say this about myself, right Uh, for me, to 642 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 3: be at this age having kids. There is the right 643 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 3: time for me, I think. I think at a younger 644 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 3: point in the game, maybe I will. I don't want 645 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 3: to say I would have necessarily been too selfish, because 646 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 3: I don't want to think I would have ever been 647 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 3: too selfish for for kids. But I did kind of 648 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 3: get to a point thinking, well, maybe I'm not going 649 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 3: to be a dad, and I always thought I would 650 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 3: have been, you know, and to be in a spot 651 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 3: now where I am a father and to realize, man, 652 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 3: I don't even think I knew what love was until 653 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 3: I have my kids, you know, and you can actually 654 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 3: see them growing, and you know, yeah, I just I 655 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 3: feel really blessed. I hate when people say that, because 656 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 3: it's for whatever reason, it irritates me. But I do 657 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 3: feel blessed, and I do feel lucky, and I do 658 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 3: feel like I've had kind of a charmed existence from 659 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 3: the standpoint of you know, I'm not the guy sitting 660 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 3: here thinking, oh man, for for these damn kids, I'd 661 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 3: be out doing something fun. Right, Well, you and I 662 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 3: have had such a fun life, and it's like I 663 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 3: don't regret anything, especially when I look back on it 664 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 3: now and I have my family. 665 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, no, I don't. By the way, it's it's 666 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: not silly, it's not cheesy, and it doesn't know if 667 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: you don't feel unbelievably blessed to you know, have to 668 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: have your father around to celebrate Father's Day with, to 669 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: call him, to have your dad be able to see 670 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: his grandkids, and then now for me and you to 671 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: feel that kind of love and responsibility and just be 672 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: grateful for you know, being able to be a dad. 673 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: It truly is the greatest thing. And I agree. You 674 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: know there's benefits to being younger. I guess because you 675 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: know you can stay up and you know you're a 676 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: little more I think God gives you a little maybe 677 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: a little more patience. But you know, when you're older, 678 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: you probably have the perspective. And this is a very 679 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: important thing for a dad, I think, is you kind 680 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: of know what's important. You know what to really pour 681 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: your energy into. I think as a young dad, I 682 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: probably poured my energy into things that didn't matter. I 683 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: mean we talk about sports. Everyone's oh, yeah, I want 684 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: my kid to be the best in this and this, 685 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: and you realize, oh my god, it doesn't matter. Your 686 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: kid doesn't need to play one hundred and eighty baseball 687 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: games and travel ball. You don't need to spend twenty 688 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: billion dollars so they can possibly get a ten thousand 689 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: dollars scholarship to cabbage. Yeah, it's just like funny. You 690 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: know how to be there, you know how to talk 691 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: to them. Probably more. I think there's a lot of 692 00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: benefits to being older. 693 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's funny. You bring up the sports thing, 694 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 3: and it is kind of interesting. You know, my I 695 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 3: played college sports and my wife played you know, like 696 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 3: really high level soccer, and you know, everyone's like, you know, 697 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 3: well are you are you teaching how to fill in 698 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 3: the ball yet I'm like, well, what he wants to 699 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 3: you know, and they're like, what do you mean. I'm like, well, 700 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 3: when he says, Daddy, let's let's play catch, I'm like okay. 701 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 3: But I'm not like making him out there and run drills. 702 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, my dad didn't do that to me. 703 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 3: And my dad the way my dad brought me up 704 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 3: was was so casual. My dad was never my coach. 705 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 3: He was always like maybe an assistant coach at best 706 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 3: on a team if they needed volunteers, But he was 707 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 3: never the one deciding the lineup and and I love 708 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 3: him for that. You know, he was never in that 709 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 3: situation where anyone looked at me like I was getting 710 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 3: favorite treatment even though I wasn't, or you know whatever, 711 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 3: and so yeah, I think I think that's. 712 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: Been something supportive but casual. 713 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 3: Supportive but casual. Yeah, definitely not pushing his own personal 714 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 3: agenda on me ever, you know. And and I think I, 715 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 3: if anything, I definitely learned that from my dad and 716 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 3: the fact that you know, you know my story, but 717 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 3: how I moved back home to Michigan and got to 718 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 3: spend two years with my dad where he got to 719 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 3: really know my son Grayson, and my son Grayson still 720 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 3: talks about him to this day, you know. And he 721 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 3: was Blake was born right before my dad passed, and 722 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 3: so it was like, you know, my dad knew all right, 723 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 3: my boys got you know, two sons, and you know, 724 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 3: it was like, yeah, I'll never forget you know, the 725 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 3: conversation I have with my dad on the day he 726 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 3: passed away where he was like, you take care of 727 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 3: those three boys, and I'm like three, and all of 728 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 3: a sudden, I like, oh, my dad must be losing it, 729 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 3: you know, and he's like, no, you take care of 730 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 3: Grayson and Blake. The fact that he remembered Blake in 731 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,240 Speaker 3: that moment, you know, yeah, and he's like, and Jack, 732 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 3: my nephew Jack, who's twenty three. I'm like, I think 733 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 3: my brother in law JD's got that one covered. He's like, nah, 734 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,720 Speaker 3: you take care of him. You know, you got Jadre 735 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 3: and my dad loves my brother in love. But it 736 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 3: was so funny and it was just one of those 737 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 3: moments where you know, I'm so thankful that things worked 738 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 3: out the way they did and you know, I'm here now. 739 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 3: But being a dad is the greatest privilege of my life. 740 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 1: This week and this week is kind of bittersweet for 741 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: you and uh and I share this with you know, Lauren, 742 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 1: because her dad passed away when she was in her twenties. 743 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: It's a bittersweet week for a dad like you because 744 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: it's like, you're thinking of your dad and all the 745 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: great things that you know, the stories you just shared, 746 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: which is wonderful. But then you know, and but you 747 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: are a dad as well, so you're you know, it's 748 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: a little celebratory, it's a little probably a little bittersweet. 749 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. You know, we did that to ourselves. 750 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 2: For our wedding too. 751 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 3: I don't think I told you this, but you know, 752 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 3: I remember, and you were invited by the way. I 753 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 3: know you couldn't come at the time. But we got 754 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 3: married on my dad's birthday, and I just thought that 755 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 3: was the greatest idea at the time. He was my 756 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 3: best man, and yeah, you know, I just I didn't 757 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 3: I didn't think it through, you know, And so I 758 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 3: didn't realize every wedding anniversary I'm going to be like, yeah, 759 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 3: let's go celebrate, and oh, I missed my dad, you know. 760 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 3: But but yeah, so Father's Day is a different thing 761 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 3: for me in that regard, because I do I do 762 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 3: miss him, But but you know what, I missed my 763 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 3: dad every day and I think I think ultimately from 764 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 3: that perspective, I think my dad would have wanted me 765 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 3: to spend that Father's Day with my boys doing whatever 766 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 3: they want to do. 767 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 2: And that's my wife. 768 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 3: So I was like, what do you want to do 769 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 3: for Father's Day? I'm like, whatever Grayson and Blake want 770 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 3: to do. 771 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: It's about That's so funny. I just asked Jp the 772 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: same thing. I go, you know, what do you really 773 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: want to do on Father's Day? And he said the 774 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: same thing is. Honestly, he's like, you know, you would 775 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,439 Speaker 1: love to just have the day off, but like it's 776 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: really just you want to make the kids happy and 777 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: do something where we can all kind of enjoy the 778 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: activity whatever that is. It's funny, you know. I Father's 779 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: Day and Mother's Day are just there's such different animals. 780 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,320 Speaker 3: No one really cares how much about Father's Day. Mother's 781 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 3: Day we're like, what can we get her? Oh my god, 782 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 3: what will show us show how much we love her? 783 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 3: And Father's Day is kind of like when is that yesterday? 784 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: That's in the middle of June. The kids are at 785 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 1: camp and we got to get you know, we're on vacation. 786 00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: It's like, here's a tie. 787 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 3: Well, I just said this to my wife on a refrigerator. 788 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 3: You know. Grayson just graduated preschool, as you mentioned, and 789 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 3: he had this thing, you know, my mom and it's 790 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,720 Speaker 3: all it was from Mother's Day and it was everything 791 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 3: from like my mom loves to do this, and my 792 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 3: mom and I love to do that, and I'm like 793 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,720 Speaker 3: and I was looking at it and there's some funny 794 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,760 Speaker 3: stuff on there. You know, my mom likes to drink 795 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 3: and Grayson puts the wine, you know. 796 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,439 Speaker 1: Like what he knows mom well, he knows mom so well. 797 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 3: But I'm like, and I even said him, like, hey, 798 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 3: Father's Day, we need to move it up. I'm like, 799 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 3: he's already out of school. It's like, I'm not going 800 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 3: to get one of these. I want to hear what 801 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 3: he thinks of me. 802 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 1: Well that and that is the case. It's true, like 803 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: if you have a birthday, because I'm a July birthday. 804 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 1: So it was never in school, and I was always 805 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: so envious to the kids that like, you stopped and 806 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: this is back in the day when you were allowed 807 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: to bring food and she'd bring cupcakes and you'd sing 808 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: and they had like this moment and I was like, 809 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: oh man. I was like, I'm never going to get 810 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: that in the middle of July. Same thing with Father's Day, 811 00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, whatever. 812 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. It is. But I will say Canyon 813 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 3: is pretty thoughtful. She goes, hey, don't ruin it, but 814 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 3: we may have got you covered on this, and I'm like, 815 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,720 Speaker 3: oh really, So I'm interested to see what my son says. 816 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 3: I do know. I do know one answer actually, which 817 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 3: I think you'll find funny. So I said something to 818 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 3: him one day about you know, Oh, I'm gonna go. 819 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 3: Daddy's gonna go. We had like a bunch of friends 820 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 3: over and I said, well, Daddy's gonna go get something 821 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 3: to drink. And he said, is that a mister Guinea original? 822 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 3: And that's what I call a vodka soda? You know, 823 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,280 Speaker 3: that's an m g Oh, that's a mister Guinea original, 824 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 3: you know. And so he's like, is that a mister 825 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 3: Guinea original. So now that I know he knows that, 826 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 3: I can see it being on my little sheet. So 827 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:40,320 Speaker 3: we'll see what happens. 828 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 2: That's amazing. 829 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey, I've asked uh the guys about you know, 830 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 1: being a dad and all that. But how I would 831 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: like to end with you tell me a great memory, 832 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: great story about your dad. 833 00:38:55,160 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 3: Oh man, you're gonna make me cry. Sorry, too many 834 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:06,279 Speaker 3: to mention for sure, But you know, my dad was 835 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 3: born on Veterans Day and my dad was which means 836 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,879 Speaker 3: so now if you think about what I just said, 837 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 3: my my wedding day is also on Veterans Day. My 838 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 3: and he was he was a marine, and he was 839 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 3: a police officer in my hometown. And uh, you know, 840 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 3: my dad was inducted into the Riverview Hall of Fame, 841 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 3: which is you know, we're a small town just south 842 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 3: of Detroit, and and and his proudest moment was for me. 843 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,720 Speaker 3: It was not the bachelor's stuff, not Michigan State football stuff, 844 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 3: none of that. It was well before I had children, 845 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 3: i should say, because that was really the proudest. But yeah, 846 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 3: it was when I got inducted into the Hall of Fame, 847 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 3: and we were both on the same wall, you know, 848 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 3: had Robert guinea and Robert Guiney, and I decided to 849 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,359 Speaker 3: make my speech all about my dad that day. He 850 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 3: was still with us, and he was there, and uh, 851 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,839 Speaker 3: at the end of my speech, uh, you know. 852 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 2: Everyone was clapping and crying and everything. 853 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 3: And I come down and I think, I'm gonna give 854 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 3: my dad this big hug, and he's gonna you know, 855 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 3: he's gonna get emotional, and you know he he did. 856 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 3: Later I will say that, but in a moment, my 857 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 3: dad goes, what the hell do you always do this? 858 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,319 Speaker 3: You know, you get an honor like this and you 859 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,360 Speaker 3: never talk about yourself. He's like, you always talk about me. 860 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 3: And he's like, do you much how much pressure that 861 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 3: puts on being the other Bob? Get me? And I 862 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 3: thought it was so funny because I'm like Dad, I'm 863 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 3: the other Bob Guinea, You're the o g Man, You're 864 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 3: the original. But it was just like my dad, you know, 865 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 3: leave it to him. He you know, he was never 866 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 3: that great at really taking compliments or hearing someone talk 867 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 3: about him, because all he wanted to do was hear 868 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 3: about me or hear. 869 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 4: About everyone else. 870 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 3: And and so you know, Neils to say, I need 871 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,240 Speaker 3: to take a little page out of that, because I 872 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 3: you know, I really love hearing. I love hearing about me. 873 00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,360 Speaker 1: So let's talk about me. 874 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 3: Let's Chris, I've heard so much about you. Can we 875 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 3: talk more about me? 876 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 877 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 3: But it became one of those things that I was like, man, 878 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,760 Speaker 3: I just want to be like as I become older, 879 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,320 Speaker 3: and as I grow older with my children, I really 880 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 3: I realize, you know, how our parents prepare us, you know, 881 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,839 Speaker 3: in ways that we don't even realize. And I think 882 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 3: my dad really gave me the most amazing blueprint on 883 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,840 Speaker 3: how to be a dad without saying a thing and 884 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 3: without ever preaching, and without ever trying to shove anything 885 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,879 Speaker 3: down my throat. And so as I as I am, 886 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 3: you know, finally starting to discover these things and these messages. 887 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 3: I think the greatest story I can tell about my 888 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,760 Speaker 3: dad would be the fact that, I mean, he really 889 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 3: taught me how to be a dad every single day 890 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,919 Speaker 3: without saying a word. And I think I'm gonna try 891 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 3: and do the same thing, you know, just trying to 892 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 3: do as well as I can and his you know, 893 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 3: hopefully he's watching me and he's thinking I'm doing a 894 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 3: great job. But you know, it's it's pretty remarkable how 895 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 3: much I think about him every day and those moments. 896 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 3: You know, you get me emotional every time we talk. Chris, 897 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 3: you do this thing a lot, by the way, You're 898 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 3: really good at it. Oh but I love you, buddy, 899 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 3: and I appreciate you let me talk about my dad 900 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:11,839 Speaker 3: a little bit. Thank you. Well. 901 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 1: I appreciate you sharing that. And that is the true sentiment. 902 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 1: If you take anything away from Father's Day, that is 903 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,479 Speaker 1: it the great men in our lives that teach give 904 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: their selfless and most of the time never asking for 905 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: anything in return. And often it's those lessons that we 906 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,959 Speaker 1: don't even realize we've received until much later in life. 907 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: So my love to the og Robert Guinney, thank you, buddy, 908 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: and my love to my dear friend Bob Guinny, who, 909 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,319 Speaker 1: by the way, you are a great dad and he 910 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: would be incredibly proud of you as I am, and 911 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to have you on the show today. 912 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 1: And I loved you, and Happy Father's Day, man. 913 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,879 Speaker 3: I love you, buddy. You're a great example too as 914 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 3: a dad, and I love you and I appreciate how 915 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 3: much you give to your kids and to your beautiful 916 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 3: life too, So I love you. Thank you for having 917 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 3: me on, and thank you for including me in this 918 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,399 Speaker 3: group of great dads because I love those guys. 919 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 1: So thank you, My thanks to three incredible dads and 920 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,720 Speaker 1: three incredible friends of mine. Ryan Sutter, JP Rosenbaum, Bob Guinney. 921 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 1: You know, what are the takeaways? I just realized after 922 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:24,640 Speaker 1: saying goodbye to Bob, how different we all are different 923 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 1: walks of life, we parent differently, We're very different dads. 924 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 1: We've had different situations. But I would say successful, wonderful 925 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,439 Speaker 1: fathers in our own right and in our own way. 926 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 1: And I guess the main takeaway is there's no right way, 927 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: there's no one way. And you know, people will write 928 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 1: books about parenting and this is the way to do it. 929 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: I've never really believed in that because there is no 930 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,000 Speaker 1: one way, because no two kids are the same, No 931 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,320 Speaker 1: two human beings are the same. You know, with Joshua 932 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 1: and Taylor, I can't parent them the same, just like 933 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 1: Bob Guinney can't parent Grayson and Blake the same. They're 934 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 1: just two different human beings that will have different experiences, 935 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,200 Speaker 1: different lives, different loves, passions, et cetera. And so I 936 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,920 Speaker 1: really respect the fact that those guys came on, shared 937 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:15,000 Speaker 1: their experience and how different they were. But again, I 938 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,719 Speaker 1: truly admire and respect all three of them, which is 939 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,479 Speaker 1: why I wanted to have them on. I love those 940 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 1: men and they are strong, beautiful, wonderful guys, and I'm 941 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 1: glad that we all can be friends and share. And 942 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 1: again my best to Bob's late dad, the original Robert Ginney. 943 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,359 Speaker 1: To all of you out there, whether your dads are 944 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,799 Speaker 1: with us, whether they're unfortunately or not, Happy Father's Day. 945 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 1: To all the dads out there, Happy Father's Day, and 946 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,279 Speaker 1: thank you for what you do, because I know a 947 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 1: lot has made you know about parenting and this crazy 948 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 1: world we live in. But a strong dad, that strong 949 00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 1: presence is such an important thing. I'm grateful for it. 950 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: And your dad out there were grateful for you. So 951 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 1: Happy Father's Day all, my love, thanks for listening. 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