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Speaker 2: I'm bad enough to have a career winning percentage of

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Speaker 2: I think sixty five percent.

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Speaker 3: Started it me too. Well, I'm two cocktails in.

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Speaker 4: Well, I am drinking water because I'm being sensible.

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Speaker 3: What New Yorker? No, I'm not. I'm joking. You're drinking

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Speaker 3: tequila trae tequila. Yeah, thank you. I'm not drinking straight tequila.

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Speaker 1: I was like, have I met you before?

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Speaker 3: You're drinking water?

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Speaker 4: I am drinking tequila with soda and a splash of lime.

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Speaker 3: Fresh line A classy lady. I am a classy lady.

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Speaker 4: Now, for people out there that don't realize, tequila and

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Speaker 4: soda is the best alcohol that you can drink because A,

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Speaker 4: it's not fattening. B.

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Speaker 3: It does not give you a hangover because it is.

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Speaker 3: It is not a depressant. It is an actual bit

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Speaker 3: of an upper. It's a stimulant.

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Speaker 1: Tequila is a stimulant.

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Speaker 3: It's the only alcohol. It's plant based.

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Speaker 4: So what happens is it's why a lot of people

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Speaker 4: say that they tend to end up taking their clothes

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Speaker 4: off after drinking a lot of tequila.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is a good reminder for me to get

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Speaker 1: out of here before you get nude.

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Speaker 3: After we take with Sindra, you and I friends came on.

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Speaker 1: It's true. I'm drinking a whisky soda cheers.

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Speaker 4: You are drinking a drink that will definitely take you

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Speaker 4: down a rabbit hole of hell.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it wouldn't be the first time, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm happy to do it. I'm happy to see

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Speaker 1: your face. We're socially distance. We're across the room for

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Speaker 1: each other, but I.

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Speaker 4: Know we are socially distanced, even in WHI apartment.

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Speaker 3: True, it's been a crazy month. It's been a month.

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Speaker 1: It's been more than a month than six weeks since

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Speaker 1: we started this podcast. Now three seasons going, so more

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Speaker 1: than two years. We have talked about getting Andy Rottick

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Speaker 1: on the show. Andy Rotick is funny, Andy Rottick is intelligent.

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Speaker 1: Andy Rottick is charismatic. Andy Rottick is a Grand Slam winner.

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Speaker 3: And Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 1: He happens to be a fantastic talker. There really is

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Speaker 1: no excuse for us waiting this long to get Andy

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Speaker 1: Rottick on the podcast except what an incredible time that

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Speaker 1: we got him on the podcast. He's home with his children,

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Speaker 1: his wife, and he can react to some of this

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Speaker 1: we got Andy Rottick sort of talking about the topicality

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Speaker 4: I know, and you know, for a lot of people

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Speaker 4: questions that are asked in press consciences, including myself, and

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Speaker 4: I've been in those situations where you're like, do you

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Speaker 3: But he pushed the envelope a lot.

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Speaker 4: He didn't stand for sort of stupid. Yeah right, And

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Speaker 3: Back at them.

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Speaker 1: He would school journalists on the regular, which they deserve.

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Speaker 1: Tennis journalists are almost entirely terrible, and Andy Roddick made

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Speaker 4: Totally so. But the thing that about him now is

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Speaker 4: But he's so much more. I think he's a lot

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Speaker 3: And I just think it's great.

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Speaker 4: Like he actually has He's not a guy that just

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Speaker 3: He actually has.

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Speaker 4: He says it knowing if you want to ask him

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Speaker 4: a question in return, he has an answer for it.

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Speaker 4: And that is a guy that's actually done research. He's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, completely great.

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Speaker 1: I think everybody who is about to listen to this,

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Speaker 1: knowing what they know about Andrew Addick, will not be

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Speaker 1: surprised that he's funny, will not be surprised that he's

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Speaker 1: But what was really striking to me about your chat

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Speaker 3: I mean, he could be a coach.

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Speaker 1: From what you guys talked about very easily, just given

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Speaker 3: And you know, I think they're in need of leaders

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Speaker 4: They are actually really thoughtful in the big picture, not

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Speaker 4: of times tennis players tend to be in the me picture. Well,

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Speaker 4: how's this going to affect me? Even the top players,

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Speaker 3: But yeah, he's just he's a good guy, and.

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, I always respect a man who marries well

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Speaker 1: and look, this is one of the best tennis players

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and you know, to his credit, he

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Speaker 4: But he I don't know, and he's just yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: Well, we have to definitely get him back on the show.

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Speaker 3: To do I have to do a part two.

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Speaker 4: Here's the thing about him, and he's the only issue

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Speaker 4: is that I had, like I always write down a

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Speaker 4: and I knew that there would not be short enough

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Speaker 4: I was like, God, damn it, I had to leave

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Speaker 4: like ten or fifteen things out. So Andy, if you

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Speaker 1: Things we have to I'll tell you what. Let's leave

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Speaker 1: it here. We should do a live event with Andy Raddick.

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Speaker 1: Very few people, as anyone who has seen one of

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Speaker 3: Maybe we'll go to Texas for you, Andy, how.

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Speaker 4: About that We'll go to Texas or no, North Carolina.

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Speaker 3: We go to your brook place overha Nebraska. Wherever you

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Speaker 4: Thank my friend Andy Erotic for joining me on the

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Speaker 4: Racket Magazine podcast. I've been begging you to do this

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Speaker 2: We went to Texas when I was about four years old,

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Speaker 4: Okay, So I got to know your brother pretty well

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Speaker 2: Well, I think there's there's this like fascination with trying

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think what could be said about that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean to expand on what you do said.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I kind of jumble around. I have so

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Speaker 4: many questions I want to ask you, because you know,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that's more than I thought you'd give me.

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Speaker 4: Well, actually, to be honest with you, think you might

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Speaker 2: Why, well, he was. It's weird, like I picked different

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Speaker 2: I feel like most coaches take their skill set and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think that and also Larry

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Speaker 2: And so I threw that in against Marty, and I

435
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Speaker 2: don't I still to this day, I don't. I don't

436
00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,239
Speaker 2: think its that I actually hit that syruve to him

437
00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,200
Speaker 2: at that moment. It's probably a bad decision.

438
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,480
Speaker 4: Well well technically, no, there's no bad decision if you

439
00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,480
Speaker 4: win the point. That's what I say. So you know

440
00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,600
Speaker 4: us open, you you know you're this kid. You go

441
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 4: in there, You've got all this confidence. Take me through

442
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,159
Speaker 4: a little bit of that the open and just a

443
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,359
Speaker 4: couple of the really important moments that you particularly remember,

444
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,479
Speaker 4: because there's always one or two moments in a tournament,

445
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 4: like shit that made the difference.

446
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,480
Speaker 2: So there's three. There's three things, and a couple of

447
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 2: them happened before the tournament started. I remember I'd come in,

448
00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:30,880
Speaker 2: I was on the street. That was probably the only

449
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 2: time I went into a slam in my entire career

450
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,159
Speaker 2: where I actually thought that I was the guy to

451
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Speaker 2: beat at that slam, right, even if I was ranked

452
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 2: one or two. You know, there was always Roger where

453
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 2: it's like, if you had to put money on it,

454
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 2: he would probably be the guy, and I was just

455
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 2: trying to steal them from him, right, So that was

456
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 2: like the nature of the relationship for a decade. But

457
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 2: that that tournament, I actually felt like I was better

458
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 2: than anyone going inund beating Roger in Canada. But the

459
00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 2: only person I had lost to the entire summer was

460
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Speaker 2: was ten Henman. His ranking was down. I think he'd

461
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 2: missed some time, but I lost to him. I had

462
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 2: match points and lost him in DC, and so draw

463
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 2: comes out. At the US Open, Henman ranked thirty three

464
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Speaker 2: in the world, unseated first round, I draw Tim Henman.

465
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 2: No who who I like hated playing against, because like

466
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 2: the guys who could hit my my surf back and

467
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 2: get to neutral. I didn't like playing those guys. They

468
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 2: didn't like playing tim Or or Roger, guys that I

469
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 2: liked actually playing the returners that took big swings, you know,

470
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 2: and they were great returners. But I hated the guys

471
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Speaker 2: who could get it down in my back. And and

472
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,719
Speaker 2: all of a sudden I was using my shovel. So

473
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Speaker 2: so I first round I draw Henman. So I was like,

474
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,680
Speaker 2: it made the practice week of what should be like, Okay,

475
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,119
Speaker 2: I'm coming into this. I'm confident. I had a great summer.

476
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 2: I did have a leader. Yeah yeah. And then the

477
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 2: draw comes out. I'm like, Henman, I'm like, you gotta

478
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 2: be kidding that. There's literally one guy who I don't

479
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 2: want a piece of in the quarter is much less

480
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 2: first round and so got through him in straight set somehow,

481
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Speaker 2: and then second round I had to play Lubiticic. So

482
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 2: it was like like for me, I'm seeing I'm going,

483
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Speaker 2: wait a minute, this is brutal, you know. So I'm

484
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 2: like this I won't like, you know, this is my moment.

485
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 2: I don't want to lose in the first second round,

486
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 2: so there's a lot of pressure, and then from there

487
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,439
Speaker 2: I kind of, you know, it opened up a little bit.

488
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 2: I think I played I'll get this wrong. I thought

489
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Speaker 2: I played Siretta, Malise Shalkan, guys that I had like beaten,

490
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 2: you know, kind of comfortably before that, and then being down,

491
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 2: I hear a lot. I'm kind of the narrative looking

492
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 2: back in my careers, maybe I should have won, you know,

493
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 2: a slammer or two more. I'm like, okay, so maybe

494
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have won that I did, you know, I shouldn't.

495
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 2: Maybe I shouldn't have won the Open. I was down

496
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 2: two sets in match point the third set breaker against

497
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Speaker 2: Melvinion and again hit a serve that he wasn't. I

498
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 2: hit big out white like one thirty eight and he

499
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 2: was covering tea again and that turned and I got

500
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Speaker 2: some momentum. And I remember those matches. I hardly remember

501
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Speaker 2: the final at all. I don't I hardly remember the

502
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 2: day of I hardly remember I was kind of locked

503
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 2: in and it was I kind of came and just

504
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 2: started taking upper cuts in the final, and you know,

505
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 2: I kind of had a little bit of a downhill

506
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: snowball situation. But I specifically remember that that private week

507
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 2: being so stressful because I knew I had him in

508
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 2: and Lubach it's the first two rounds.

509
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was one question I was going to ask you,

510
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 4: is that you know, because I get asked this question

511
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 4: about a few players, and some people sometimes give shit

512
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 4: to certain players. Oh, she should have been better, he

513
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 4: should have been better. I was thinking, from your perspective,

514
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Speaker 4: do you think that you do? You think you overachieved

515
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 4: or underachieved? And that's you know, it's so relative, right, So.

516
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Speaker 2: I don't know how to answer that. I know that

517
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: I don't know that I could have squeezed anything more

518
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 2: out of what I had. My strengths were really obvious,

519
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 2: so they probably got the attention over you know. I Here,

520
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 2: here's the way I break it down. I served great

521
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 2: my entire career. I never had the best serve on earth.

522
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 2: I would say my backhand was pointed to as a weakness.

523
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 2: It got way better over the course of my career

524
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 2: to where I could I wouldn't miss it, and I

525
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: could keep it low and I could keep myself out

526
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: of trouble with it, and my slice was actually really good.

527
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 2: My forehand was overrated after the first four or five years.

528
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 2: My shoulder it's missues, so I couldn't actually go after

529
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 2: a forehand like post eight. Maybe I moved probably a

530
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 2: little bit better and obviously had terrible hands in no

531
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 2: transition game. So if you bundle all that up, it

532
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 2: shouldn't equate to someone who was really good for a

533
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: long time. I don't think. I think there were massive deficiencies.

534
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 2: So I look back and I don't know if I

535
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 2: overachieved or underachieved. I'm not sure I could have squeezed

536
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 2: anything else out. I'm not sure that I could have

537
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 2: worked harder, you know, So wherever, wherever it falls, you know,

538
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 2: it's it's it's fine by me. But there there, when

539
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 2: I was trying to beat the guys that would have

540
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 2: had to beat to win more, not one was a

541
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Speaker 2: like I'm I always felt like I was at a

542
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 2: talent deficit, as it supposed to the other way up.

543
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: I thought I did a really good job of beating

544
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 2: guys that I was I was supposed to be.

545
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Speaker 4: So I guess inevitably, you know people you get to

546
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 4: hear you sort of talk a little bit openly, but

547
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 4: that that o nine final before we get to that, like,

548
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 4: what did you learn from the previous matches that you've

549
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 4: played there against Roger and lost? Because you know, you

550
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 4: always played him really tight in the finals. It wasn't

551
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 4: like you ever really were blown out and you're settle,

552
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 4: I think in every single final, Like, what did you

553
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 4: learn from the previous matches before you went into nine?

554
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 4: What you needed to do differently? Or can I put

555
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 4: this a different way? Like I always say that your

556
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 4: subconscious and your conscious mind are two different things in tennis,

557
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 4: like the little guy in the back of your shoulder,

558
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 4: Like I always talk about this, like he's going yeah,

559
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 4: and I think you're good enough, I don't know, blah,

560
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 4: and then the front of you is going, come on, man,

561
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 4: I can do this. But there, like in when you

562
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 4: won the US Open, I would you would say that

563
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 4: your subconscious and your conscious were fucking yes, we're doing.

564
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: This to get Yeah. I think so. I think there's

565
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 2: different episodes. Oh oh, three or four or five finals.

566
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 2: I was excited, Oh four, I was actually like beating

567
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 2: him right, Like I was through the first you know,

568
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: we got through, we were set all. I was up

569
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: big in the maybe I was up big in the

570
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 2: I don't know what we got. We had a randolate,

571
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: but I was like he was hanging on I was

572
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 2: actually kind of blowing him off the court a little bit.

573
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 2: At that point. My power was kind of there. In

574
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 2: ran came he switched it up. I was a little

575
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 2: shell shocked, and he just kind of to his credit,

576
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 2: he took the break, switched it up, wasn't staying back,

577
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 2: started coming in a lot more and kind of took

578
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 2: the racket out of my hands a little bit. One

579
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 2: of shorter points was a great for all the talent.

580
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: I don't think Roger gets enough credit for his actual

581
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: tennis I Q because people think it's easy for him.

582
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: Oh five it was kind of wet and not way

583
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 2: but like cold, and so that wasn't good for me.

584
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: I needed the ball to shoot through. I need I

585
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: needed to run it. So he actually ran me out

586
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 2: on the straight to that one oh nine. It was

587
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: it basically was. I was less concerned with the result, right,

588
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: so four oh five was like, I have to win

589
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: otherwise it's it's busted. Oh nine I was. I was

590
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 2: so committed to Basically, I knew I had to be

591
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 2: able to stick my back into deep parts of the court,

592
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 2: and I wasn't just going to come in on crap.

593
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 2: So for a decade, he would hit that little chip

594
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: down to my back end. I'd have to be two

595
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: or three feet inside the baseline. So I had two options.

596
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 2: I could either bunt it back because I actually can't

597
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: hit back in. I can't tell someone back and still

598
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 2: to this day. And or I had to hit a

599
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,959
Speaker 2: chip and he was going to have a look at

600
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 2: a pass and I was hoping he would miss the

601
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: pass or I would hit a great you know whatever.

602
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: So I basically said I'm not gonna come in from

603
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 2: a compromise position. But that required me sticking my back in,

604
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 2: whether it was middle or whatever. I basically just wanted

605
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: to stick it firm all day and at least keep

606
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 2: him back on that ball, which the margin of air

607
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: comes down, because I'm not just flipping it over in

608
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: that and trying to come back. I actually had to

609
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 2: commit to stick at it, and I actually did it.

610
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 2: I think that was probably probably the main difference on

611
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 2: why I had a maybe a better look at the

612
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 2: basket that day. But I just wasn't going to come

613
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: in from compromised positions.

614
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually tortured myself last night because I watched

615
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 4: that match. I was obviously I played the Dub's Final

616
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 4: that year, and so I was still there. And I

617
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 4: watched that match, and you and I, you know, good friends,

618
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 4: and I've never wanted someone to win a match so

619
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 4: much as I wanted you to win that match. But

620
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 4: its like, I remember, you know, I thought, I haven't

621
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 4: watched that match since that year, and so I watched

622
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 4: a little bit of it last night. I watched particularly

623
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 4: the second set tiebreak, and I was like, what happened

624
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 4: in that tiebreak, you know, And I sort of went

625
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 4: through it a little bit, and I guess the one thing,

626
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 4: I mean, everybody remembers the volley, you know that you missed.

627
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 4: I want to do you think it was going out

628
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 4: or was that just a total?

629
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: So it wasn't. It was a choke on decision making,

630
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 2: not execution. So there was a there was a kind

631
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: of a I haven't really talked about it much just

632
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: because I don't feel the need to prey Rah or

633
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: validate it. Yeah, but there was there was a pretty

634
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: significant crosswind.

635
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 4: So about that because I didn't realize it.

636
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: Was floated from one side of the court, and I

637
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: kind of thought it would fade, and then there was

638
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: you know, wind kind of so I was like, oh

639
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 2: my god, if I leave this and it kind of

640
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: floats in and sits, it's just the worst feeling ever.

641
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: I was like better last second, I'm like better to

642
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 2: hit it, and obviously just flagged it. But I think

643
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 2: it was more of a choke on the decision making

644
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: side than the actual execution side. I've watched that breaker

645
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: back once because it came on and I was on

646
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: a bicycle and I was flipped in the channels and

647
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 2: it randomly was on like in a thing, and the

648
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: shot that I was shocked that. I'm not sure if

649
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: it was before one point, before one point after the volley,

650
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: but I unloaded a I think it was a return,

651
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: and I put it on his shoe tops, maybe behind him,

652
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: and I think at that point it was it might

653
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: have been sixty to one or something in the breaker

654
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: and he flipped it off that and stuck a half

655
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: volley from the baseline cross court. I had no recollection

656
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 2: of that shot, like in my like because I hadn't

657
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 2: watched it. I watched that shot, I go, how are

658
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: people not talking about? That shot? Is one of the

659
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: best of all time to like save a Wimbledon potentially

660
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: like it was, and it wasn't even like he was

661
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: trying to make it. I almost feel like he was

662
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: over the set and just like like like flung it.

663
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 2: You know, It's like, okay, if I don't think he

664
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: hits that type of aggressive shot at six y five

665
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: as opposed to way down.

666
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what it was, because I watched it

667
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 4: last night and I thought the same thing.

668
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: It was.

669
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 4: It was about the third shot of the rally. You

670
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 4: were sort of in that position of having to rip

671
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 4: aforehand because you're kind of out of position.

672
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

673
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 4: I did to go big down the line and he

674
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 4: was inside the baseline by about three feet, and you

675
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 4: hit it right at his feet and he just casually

676
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 4: just flicks a little half folly back end cross court

677
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 4: into the open hook, and I was like, oh my god.

678
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 4: And actually the commentator said, I don't think people realize

679
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 4: how good a shot that was.

680
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 3: Just then.

681
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 4: Maybe six all he maybe doesn't make that so easy. Yeah,

682
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 4: but you were so far off the court it wasn't.

683
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 4: But one of the things I wanted to ask you

684
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 4: about the tiebreak was because you had served so well

685
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 4: in that tie break and you got big a lot

686
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 4: to his back end and you decide, and the first

687
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 4: set serve you hit on your match point, you went body,

688
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 4: you went hard body match point, Yeah, and you missed it,

689
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 4: and you missed it was the first serve you missed

690
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 4: in a long time. So I'm just wonried, Like, can

691
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 4: you even explain to people with all the noise that

692
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 4: happens too? And you know, because all the crescendo of

693
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 4: crowd noise at six ' five, does that change your

694
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 4: pulse rate? Does that make it rather than just oh

695
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 4: it's another serve, no big deal, you know, explain to

696
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 4: people like the difference that feels like when you're all

697
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 4: of a sudden it's on your racket.

698
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: I can't remember the reasoning or or if I actually

699
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: I don't remember that choice really, but you know, Roger,

700
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: it's a strange one because you want to pound the

701
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: back end on the return because his forehand return is

702
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: one of the more underrated shots, like he can just

703
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: kind of stick it. He never is. Rush to the

704
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: back end is great too, but you can overpower the backhand.

705
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: Sometimes not all the time. He's great. If he's leading

706
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: that way, it's hard, but you know that that's where

707
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: you're gonna win the most first surf three points. I

708
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: don't know if I just missed it. But the other

709
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: thing is when he's really extended, When he gets his

710
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: arms extended, it's this thing where you want to go body,

711
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: but you're you're playing into his pocket. If he gets extended,

712
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 2: he's really good.

713
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

714
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm assuming that I probably thought he was

715
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: going to guess either way. So like Virtue of his movie,

716
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: this way or that way, I probably just wanted to

717
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: play against this movement on the serve.

718
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 4: Here's the thing he got two says to love. There's

719
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 4: no guarantees you're still going to win the match any no, no, no,

720
00:32:59,640 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 4: That's why.

721
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: The thing with that is, like you'll see to the

722
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: crowd point, you'll see John Isner in practice, he can't.

723
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 2: He doesn't serve over one twenty five, and then all

724
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: of a sudden he gets into a match where there's

725
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,479
Speaker 2: some atmosphere and he's touching one forty Yeah yea wait.

726
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: So to your point, it absolutely affects decision making, It

727
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: effects adrenaline, It affects million things on that line for sure.

728
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 4: The one thing that I know for sure after that

729
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 4: match is how great your wife is in a playerbox,

730
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 4: Because I swear to you, even when you were winning

731
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 4: or losing any of those points, she was just sitting

732
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 4: there like, okay, great job. Like there was no movement

733
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 4: from her. When you went and went six al in

734
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 4: the type rack, she was like, it's okay, plus just

735
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 4: like I'd be dying. She like she should be a

736
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 4: poker player.

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Speaker 4: Another question I wanted to ask you, I just want

744
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 4: to know, do you realize, like how bad you were

745
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 4: on clay?

746
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: What the hell?

747
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: Man like? So, yes, and I'm bad enough to have

748
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: a career winning percentage of I think sixty five matches,

749
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: one huh five titles, three semis and masters series events

750
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 2: on talking about the French. Yeah, so I will tell

751
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: you something that and I talked about it last week

752
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: or two weeks ago, so when it was a the

753
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: consistency and I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this,

754
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: the consistency of clay in Rome Hartrue not so much Madrid,

755
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: but like it was gritty and it felt like if

756
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: you would rub it between your fingers, it felt like salt, right,

757
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: if you pour it salt on your hand, you rub it.

758
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 2: And at rolling garrels it felt like baking powder or

759
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: baking you know where it's like it's slippery. And I

760
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 2: hated it. I absolutely hated it. I could not like

761
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 2: as much as I couldn't move on clay in the

762
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: first place. Once I got to rolling garrels, it was

763
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: like I'd hit a serve and then I would basically

764
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: try to find my feet for the next three seconds.

765
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 2: So I didn't because I was kind of a heavy

766
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: physical mover. I didn't mind the gritty stuff. I wasn't

767
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 2: great on it, but at least I felt like I

768
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: could find my footing I was. I was lost like

769
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 2: that slippery crap. I hated it. I hated it, all.

770
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 4: Right, Well you know it's okay, it's okay. You want

771
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 4: you want a lot, as you said you did.

772
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: Okay in your career, I was definitely so I say that,

773
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 2: but I was a good fifty. That was pretty bad.

774
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 2: It was the great neutralizer I just had.

775
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 4: I had a losing record, the only losing record at

776
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 4: Grand Slam, said the French.

777
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: Well that was yeah, that just means I should have

778
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 2: skipped it more.

779
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was wondering why you used to in tank

780
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 4: it and like do the old Roger play and not

781
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 4: play the French Open at all or any clay.

782
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: All of my sponsors were French.

783
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 4: Got it, uh huh la cost babbylat and I see,

784
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 4: I see it. Okay, then you're forgiving. But hey, then

785
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 4: you must have you tried hard, you did your best.

786
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 2: I yes, points for paints, points for effort, we know that,

787
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: we know everyone gets points for effort and pro sports. Yeah.

788
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 4: The only thing I really loved about Rolling Garris was

789
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 4: actually the sliding. I mean, that's that's all I can

790
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 4: do on clay as well. So so I'm with you.

791
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: The best day at my the best day every year

792
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,479
Speaker 2: was when you left Rolling Garrols. You got on the train,

793
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: you went underwater, and you you popped up out of

794
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: the water and you were in London and the grass

795
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: was waiting for you and.

796
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 4: You're undross Yeah exactly. How how important was it for you,

797
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 4: like starting your foundation, Like what what are you doing

798
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,479
Speaker 4: with it now? Because it's kind of changed a little bit.

799
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's brutal. So when we started it, it

800
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: was it was like you needed a name, you needed

801
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: a name for a foundation to do an event, right,

802
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: I thought it was we did a tennis clinic in

803
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 2: a parking lot. So yeah, yeah, I don't know. I

804
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: think you're just caught up and you try to do

805
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: something well and I think we raised five thousand dollars

806
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: or something, and you give it away and you feel good,

807
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: you know, now to what it's become where we you know,

808
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: run around programs, we have direct services, we have you know,

809
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: a roster of full time employees. It's a you know,

810
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: proper organization. We serve seven thousand kids daily in the

811
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 2: Austin area and we expect the number to grow to

812
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 2: forty thousand within the next three years. It's it's just

813
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: come a long way. But I always I always say

814
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 2: that if I travel around and speak it various non

815
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 2: profit inventions or whatever, it's I was in the right

816
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: vacuum and I don't think tennis gets enough credit for

817
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: whether it's we have absolute icons of our sport that

818
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: have actually done more outside of the sport or for

819
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: social justice causes than they actually did on the court.

820
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: And that's saying a lot when you're talking about people

821
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: like Arthur Ash and Billy Jean King and Martina. I

822
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: don't think Martina gets enough credit and how challenging is

823
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 2: coming out in the eighties as the number one player

824
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: in the world after having to make a decision to

825
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: defect when you're seventeen or eighteen. So I mean, these

826
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 2: are a decisions that most people who are seventy couldn't

827
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: make without high levels of stress and handle the responsibility.

828
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 2: And she's doing it at you know, an age where

829
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 2: you're still trying to figure everything out. So you know,

830
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 2: then you go to Andre and what he's done in Vegas,

831
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: and you know, Roger being a unise of ambassador then saying,

832
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 2: you know what, I can actually do this myself, and

833
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to build my own schools Venus and Serena

834
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: with literacy programs in South Florida. So the list goes

835
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: on and on and on, and as you well know,

836
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 2: it's it's just the culture of tennis. You know, I'm

837
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: sure you get calls to either MC or play in

838
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: charity events. People in tennis to show up, They just do,

839
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 2: you know, more so than than other sports.

840
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 4: So I think, what is event every year I go down?

841
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think I think what my foundation has

842
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: become now and and and something we're very proud of

843
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: is you know, I think it's just you give a

844
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: tip of the cap to the culture of tennis. Really

845
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: and and our foundation has nothing to do with tennis.

846
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: Like we we focus on out of school education, so

847
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: after school summer programs, and you know, we all go

848
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: to the best best summer program in the country last year.

849
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: But it's just the culture that's instilled. It. When you

850
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: see people that are better than you on the court,

851
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 2: that are better people than you off the court, and

852
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 2: they're spending their time doing these things, you know, you

853
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 2: feel like an absolute loser if you don't actually commit

854
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 2: and make something that's sustainable and important.

855
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 4: Do you feel a need to talk to the younger

856
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 4: American guys to do that or do they come to

857
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 4: you and ask you for advice in doing that and

858
00:39:59,160 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 4: how to do it?

859
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: No, I I have it's I would say that I'm

860
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: probably not hard to find, and I would say that

861
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: I don't really get any phone.

862
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 4: Calls, you know, So is that does that make it say?

863
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 4: Is that sad for you? Or do you think that's

864
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 4: a little bit of the you know, their management team

865
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 4: are sort of taking over what they're doing or I.

866
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: Don't know, but I'm it's It's a weird thing for

867
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: me because I I I obviously think there's there's value

868
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: to add, But at the same time, I think every

869
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 2: former player thinks they know everything, and I always want

870
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 2: to be cautious of of not being like, well, I

871
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: know you do this, and this is the way we

872
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:38,959
Speaker 2: used to. I want to be the guy who walked

873
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: up hill both ways to school back in the day.

874
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 2: Does that make sense? Yep?

875
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 4: So you know, hard way, my friend, learning.

876
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: That the last thing I want to do is is

877
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 2: kind of force my belief system or anything else on

878
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: on players in any space. I'm certainly always available, but

879
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: honestly that my life is busy enough now not to

880
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 2: have to beg to talk to someone.

881
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it also helps that you have, you know,

882
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 4: Elton pops in every now and again and sings a

883
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 4: few songs.

884
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I anyway. I mean, he built our foundation, he

885
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: really did. He played every other year for a decade. Yeah.

886
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 2: I don't know how you repay that, but we became

887
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: a financially viable organization because of him.

888
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, a little bit on modern day tennis right now,

889
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 4: I kind of get into these wars every now and again.

890
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 4: I mean, I know you find that hard to believe.

891
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 4: But on Twitter about the thought process of this a

892
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 4: little controversial right now. I mean, Roger just tweeted out

893
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 4: the other day about it's time to join the tourists.

894
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on that? And on top of

895
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 4: that question, what do you think about men being best

896
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 4: of five going to best of three and Grand Slams?

897
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 4: I want both your answers to them, no pressure.

898
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: So no, it's fine. I'm not I'm not scared of

899
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: give an opinion. But the mergers is I think it's

900
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 2: great in theory. I think as long as you can

901
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: as long as it creates an asset that is way

902
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 2: more valuable than two separate tours, then it makes a

903
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 2: lot of sense. If if you can double your TV

904
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: deal because you've joined content and you have the ability

905
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: that you have the flexibility to give, uh, give the

906
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: TV people what they want more often, and you kind

907
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: of head your bets with which who are the stars

908
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: now versus who will be the stars in five years?

909
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 4: Right?

910
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: So you know, I know I kind of asked a

911
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 2: run and I know the two biggest ratings that tennis

912
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: channel got last year, and obviously they're not carrying uh,

913
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 2: you know, Wimbledon finals or whatever, right, so you take

914
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,959
Speaker 2: that out of it. But we're we're for Cocoa golf,

915
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 2: So you know, we point to Roger Rafa Novak as

916
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 2: huge ratings makers, right, but what does it look like

917
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 2: in four years?

918
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: You know?

919
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 2: So I think it's a hedge on on who your

920
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 2: stars will be, right, So before Roger came through an

921
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 2: O three, you know, Venus and Serena, we're what everything

922
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: everyone was pointing to. And then all of a sudden

923
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 2: Roger came and it shifted a little bit. But it's

924
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 2: a safe hedge as long as the asset together is

925
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 2: uh is a win for everyone. And also it's just

926
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: you don't want to hear it. But in the conversation

927
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: of combining men's and women's tours, one thing that cannot

928
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: be undersold is that if the w E Tour is

929
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 2: more financially viable than the ATV tour coming into the marriage.

930
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: Then they need that there needs to be some sort

931
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 2: of prenup and there needs to be some sort of

932
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 2: drawdown of This is what our books look like financially.

933
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: These are the TV contracts we have in place. You know,

934
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: if we if the w t A Tour has a

935
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 2: great year end finals package in place for the next

936
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 2: seven years, can we come in and poach profits off

937
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 2: of that. That's a very complicated conversation. My personal belief

938
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 2: is you can't. So there almost needs to be a

939
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: an expiration date on current contracts of which you can

940
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: combine the organization. Now you can have standalone contract entities.

941
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: But then as far as like merchandising and everything else,

942
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: which I think is completely undersold or non existent in

943
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: the tennis space, then it makes a lot. Then it

944
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense, But it's not just as

945
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: easy as an idea of hashtag better together. That's fine,

946
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: but our books need to work too, because we all

947
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: are just participants in the business of tennis in some way,

948
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 2: shape or form.

949
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think that's great. I think I think

950
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 4: you're you'd be perfect CEO. You ready nothing else.

951
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 3: Come on.

952
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm real good about traveling these days, as you

953
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 2: can see because you see me once a year. Sorry,

954
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: my wife.

955
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 4: Just turn on the radio in this room, damn brook.

956
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: The other the other thing, the other thing that I

957
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: want to add to that is everyone's saying, oh, unified, unified, unified,

958
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: And I see you know last week the conversation was

959
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 2: or Monday, Actually the conversation was the ATP relief fund, okay,

960
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 2: and it was it was four and a half million dollars.

961
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: It was there was a draw down the rankings to pay, yeah,

962
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: rank which I thought it should have been based on

963
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: active prize money leaders, not rankings, but so anyway, but whatever,

964
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: there was a drawdown. It added up to four and

965
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: a half million dollars for four hundred and fifty players. Okay,

966
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 2: I can do the.

967
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 4: Math on that.

968
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: It's ten k a player. Then and then WTTA comes in,

969
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 2: slams come in, itf comes in. It gets boosted up

970
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 2: to six million dollars in the proposal, but we lose

971
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: one hundred players on the ATP side, So the actual

972
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: price per person came way down by adding all of

973
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: these different ensites, right, So it shook out to eighty

974
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,479
Speaker 2: six hundred dollars a player, and we lost one hundred

975
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: players on the ATB side. It went from the new

976
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 2: proposals for I think one fifty to five hundred, so

977
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: it was own was subtraction by addition, not necessarily from

978
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 2: an ATP to WTA side. But you're bringing in the

979
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: ITF who actually has no value to really anyone in tennis.

980
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 2: And it's a controversial statement kind of until you actually

981
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 2: think about it. Yeah, their main asset is tens of

982
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 2: millions of dollars underwater. It might not be financially viable

983
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: in three years. And then someone was like, okay, but

984
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,479
Speaker 2: they're the voice of the Slams, and so I said,

985
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: I asked a simple question. I said, okay, but what

986
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 2: does that mean? And they go, I don't know, yeah,

987
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 2: And I go, if they're the voice of the Slams,

988
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: do you run into and they're supposed to kind of

989
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: be the go between between everything Slams versus other I go,

990
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 2: shouldn't we have heard from them when Roland Garris made

991
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 2: their march to that date? Were they in the dark?

992
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: And they go, oh, well, they didn't know about it.

993
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: I go, well, then they're not in a very good

994
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: voice of the Slams, but they don't know what's going on.

995
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh well, I mean you and I were, and

996
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 4: everyone that's mostly involved in tennis can say that the

997
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 4: different entities in tennis are completely fucked up. I mean,

998
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 4: there's just no uniformity to anything when it comes to tennis,

999
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 4: and I think that's a huge problem and we are

1000
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 4: seeing it in all its glory right now. There's no question.

1001
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I just don't like, if we're gonna

1002
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: if there's a merger, I don't think it's I think

1003
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: you have to have assets to become part of the merger. Right,

1004
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: So the w t A obviously has assets. The businesses

1005
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 2: are generally run the same they're in the same state,

1006
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: so that all makes a lot of sense. You're not

1007
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: dealing with different LLCs in different states with this different

1008
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: taxation policies and all of that. That's very complicated also,

1009
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: but like why why are we allowing people to have

1010
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 2: an opinion who don't actually add any value? Right, So,

1011
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 2: and then you're running into some complications where actually yesterday

1012
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 2: on Tenni Channel says, okay, we're gonna merge, who's the CEO,

1013
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: Who's who's gonna who's gonna negotiate this deal in order

1014
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 2: to lose their job as CEO?

1015
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, that's what I was thinking. Yeah, here's the

1016
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 4: powerplay of powerplays.

1017
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, like I in theory, it's great on Twitter,

1018
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 2: it's a great SoundBite, but the complexities I I would

1019
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: actually I'm for it, but I just need to I

1020
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: think it's gonna need a little bit of time to

1021
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: be organized because if you rush this process and it's

1022
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: not written down the right way, Yeah, I think it's

1023
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: going to be anarchy. So I think you have to

1024
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: I think you have to say, who do we need

1025
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 2: at the table? Who can have the most value? You

1026
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: trim the fat. It's like you're not if you're Apple,

1027
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 2: you're not going to ask Blockbuster for business advice. So

1028
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 2: get rid of Blockbuster and let's actually build a company together.

1029
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: All right.

1030
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 4: I recommend that you're on the on the future board, right,

1031
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 4: nothing else, so you can be on the board, right.

1032
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: All right.

1033
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 4: I've had you a long time, but I still want

1034
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 4: to ask you, do you remember what was one of

1035
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 4: the things that you remember on two That's probably one

1036
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 4: of the funniest things that's ever happened to you.

1037
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 2: I can't really say it.

1038
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 4: Oh yeah you can. This is the part I mean,

1039
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 4: Darren Cahill tell the story how he got a chubby

1040
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 4: getting massage. I mean, this is like we're opening form here.

1041
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say I had a lot of fun

1042
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 2: messing with our practice partners on the Davis Cup squad.

1043
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: We probably did things that now you couldn't get away

1044
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 2: with it there. Well, we used to. We used to

1045
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 2: give them words that they would have to So there's

1046
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 2: a formal speech every every every week during the Davis

1047
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 2: Cup where we all put on suits and ties and

1048
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 2: it was it was the worst, but but we had

1049
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: to go. We get the practice partners, you know, very

1050
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: juvenile things like they had to say like reach around

1051
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 2: or chubby or you know whatever it was you Every

1052
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 2: single week I would fall down laughing. We did a

1053
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 2: really terrible thing that isner one time do it his

1054
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 2: hotel room. It was disgusting me, Marty and James did it.

1055
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 2: I'm not going to repeat it. But then he came

1056
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 2: down everyone's waiting for him. We all die laughing in

1057
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 2: a lobby like Probably the best times were the pranks

1058
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 2: uh at David cuff I enjoyed them. The completely juvenile

1059
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: completely immature, and I was all in.

1060
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 4: Is that you think why you played so well at

1061
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 4: Davis Cup as well? I mean, you have one of

1062
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 4: the great records at Davis Cup, is that you would

1063
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 4: just you just felt like you had your boys there,

1064
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 4: you had your you just you felt like truly you

1065
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 4: as a person, because you're a people.

1066
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 2: I enjoyed the responsibility of it. I took it seriously.

1067
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 2: I knew that there was a culture. I don't know

1068
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 2: why I played great at it. I was always decent

1069
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: on the road. I had a hard time playing at

1070
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 2: home for a whiles because I was too amped up.

1071
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: But I'm not sure. I'm sure that's all part of it.

1072
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: I just actually enjoyed the responsibility and knowing that I

1073
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 2: had to execute. Yeah, And it was this nice thing

1074
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 2: of it not being completely selfishly motivated for a given week, right,

1075
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: And I enjoyed that part of it. I didn't get

1076
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,439
Speaker 2: to play college tennis. You were obviously amazing at double

1077
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 2: so you actually know what teamwork looks like. To that

1078
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 2: point in my career, I had no idea what teamwork

1079
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: looked like. So it's something I gravitated towards and I

1080
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 2: really embraced and I enjoyed it.

1081
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 4: And lastly the Hall of Fame speech, which is pretty epic.

1082
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 4: I mean, look, we all know that you can talk,

1083
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 4: and that's the pot calling Kett also, But like that

1084
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 4: moment was that like because you know, you were a

1085
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,919
Speaker 4: little testy in press conferences and you like to jab

1086
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 4: the you know, journalists, and you'd give the umpire shit

1087
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 4: and you kind of had this people either loved you

1088
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 4: or hated you. But ye did you feel like, all right,

1089
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 4: today's the day to step up and actually let everybody

1090
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 4: know how much I appreciate everything about what this sport

1091
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 4: has done for me or was it just you being you?

1092
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 2: I don't know that it was that calculated. So the

1093
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: thing that I struggled with is I didn't want it

1094
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: to be a regurgitation of results of my career, right.

1095
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 2: I didn't want any mention of winning a USL when

1096
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 2: I didn't want any mention of Wimbledon finals. I just

1097
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: felt like that was redundant. I wanted to something. The

1098
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 2: idea that kind of stuck with me that probably meant

1099
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: the most to me was connecting the eight year old

1100
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 2: version of myself who watched all of these people to

1101
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 2: the reality of those people actually sitting behind you while

1102
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: you're giving speech, right, So that meant the most to me,

1103
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 2: and kind of thanking the people along the way. So

1104
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 2: the hardest thing for me was giving people the respect

1105
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 2: that they deserved for helping me along the way, and

1106
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 2: all the while I wanted to point out the Hall

1107
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 2: of famers and the matches, the things that I saw

1108
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 2: that I appreciated, and I guess it just came out

1109
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 2: that way. But it was as simple as I just

1110
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 2: wrote a bunch of sentences down in a notebook and

1111
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 2: it was probably seven minutes of writing, and it was

1112
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: I didn't also want it to be programmed, so I

1113
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,919
Speaker 2: would just write seven words that would get me into

1114
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 2: a thought and then kind of just tell the story,

1115
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 2: which is much easier for anyone speaking in public. It's

1116
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 2: a lot easier just to kind of so you don't

1117
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 2: get lost, to have some sort of order or someblance

1118
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: of order, and then kind of just storytellers. I think

1119
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 2: that resonates maybe a little bit better. But it was fun.

1120
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 2: I was shocked they got through without it. So every

1121
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 2: time I practiced reading it out loud, I broke down.

1122
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,959
Speaker 2: I was a mess. And that was actually a pretty

1123
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 2: clean run through. Surprisingly, so when the people were there

1124
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 2: ask you the cleanestron, I didn't think I was gonna

1125
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 2: through it.

1126
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a big day. It was great and

1127
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 4: it was totally well deserved. So I guess what's next

1128
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 4: for you?

1129
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 2: What do you?

1130
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 4: I mean the kids, marriage, Nettle, going your foundation, doing

1131
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 4: a bit of TV right now with Tennis Channel because

1132
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 4: you're bored as f like, what what do you see yourself?

1133
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 4: Like twenty years round? Would you remember if someone came

1134
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 4: to you and said, would you coach me for a

1135
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 4: year now?

1136
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 2: So one one of the things that I'm pretty steadfast

1137
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: on is not I don't want to give up my

1138
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 2: geography again. You know, I don't want to play an

1139
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 2: away game eighty percent of the year, and so that's

1140
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 2: just something I'm really not going to compromise, especially our

1141
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 2: kids are young, and I just I just want to

1142
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 2: be present, you know.

1143
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1144
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 2: Every day is a little different than you know, the

1145
00:53:55,200 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 2: foundation obviously is there's something to be done every day

1146
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 2: with that. I started a realistic company during my career,

1147
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 2: which is the most boring thing you'll ever talk about.

1148
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: But ten years later and you know, fifteen twenty year contracts,

1149
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 2: ever buildings you bought during you know, when you add capitals,

1150
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: that's fun. The angel investment side is fun. So it's

1151
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 2: great because I have enough to do every day, but

1152
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 2: every day is still a little bit different.

1153
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 4: So basically saying you've got a lot of shit on

1154
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 4: your plate and you're all good.

1155
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 2: So that's yeah, I think that's right. And you know,

1156
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 2: making sure my wife doesn't leave me anytime soon. That

1157
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 2: takes work also, So that's that.

1158
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: Well.

1159
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 4: I think that you guys are pretty fucking perfect together.

1160
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 4: So I think as long as you, I don't know,

1161
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 4: as long as you keep like putting the toilet seat down.

1162
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 2: So advice that you didn't ask for, Like we've had

1163
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 2: separate toilets since the word gone so smart, you don't

1164
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 2: see the worst parts of each other, Like just just

1165
00:54:59,080 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 2: leave it separate.

1166
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 4: So that's your that's your advice to every couple.

1167
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 2: If you can't even if it even it means you

1168
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 2: got to call DIBs on the one down the hallway.

1169
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 2: I believe in separation of.

1170
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 4: Never one hundred percent agree with that. I was. I

1171
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 4: had a choice a couple of years ago getting an

1172
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 4: apartment with my girlfriend at the time, and I paid.

1173
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 4: We paid like one thousand dollars extra a month on

1174
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 4: rent just to have an extra toilet, because I was like,

1175
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 4: I don't need to deal with this, Like it's just so.

1176
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 4: Some people are just messier and men tend to be disgusting.

1177
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 4: I think that's a great parental I.

1178
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 2: Think that's a great Yeah, that's all. That's all true.

1179
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 4: That's great, right, all right, that's perfect then, on Andy,

1180
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 4: thanks so much. I miss you, I miss Brooke, I

1181
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 4: miss the kids. I know you're in North Carolina right now,

1182
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 4: but once this pandemic is over. You were gracious enough

1183
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 4: one time to invite me into Austin to show me

1184
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 4: the city, and I'd love to come back again, and

1185
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 4: I'll make you guys a lot.

1186
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 2: Well let's do it. Stay safe, don't go lock at

1187
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 2: any doorknobs or anything. You know.

1188
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've managed to like pull that out of my

1189
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 4: uh my, all right, Stubsy, thank you, all right, mate,

1190
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 4: see us a.

1191
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 3: Hi to the gang.

1192
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 1: Bye, And that's it for this episode of the Racket

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00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: Magazine podcast.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. Our host is Renee Stubbs.

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Speaker 1: Our co host and producer is me Caitlin Thompson. Music

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1197
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