Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? And welcome back everyone? Are you a Charlotte?
Speaker 1: This is part two with our wonderful producer Easton. We
Speaker 1: are breaking down season three, episode eight of the best season.
Speaker 1: I think, yes, I might change my mind when we
Speaker 1: watch more, but you know, I think that's it. Anyway,
Speaker 1: here we are welcome back.
Speaker 2: I was just talking to Evy, who works on this show,
Speaker 2: about there was a there was an article that said
Speaker 2: I'm having a boyfriend is embarrassed?
Speaker 1: Always a big deal man?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know we're talking about like what do
Speaker 2: you what do you need a man for? Especially as
Speaker 2: a man, I will lead the march of that, you know,
Speaker 2: other than like reaching things on a high shelf. But
Speaker 2: but yeah, at this point when the episode is happening,
Speaker 2: I mean, like it it's so funny because I think
Speaker 2: that was that may have been the last episode we
Speaker 2: talked about together, was one where Miranda's terry designer gets married,
Speaker 2: and we were I was thinking about that too, because
Speaker 2: I was Another that also surprised me, is like thinking
Speaker 2: about Miranda wanting to get married. Everybody wanted it, uh
Speaker 2: at that point.
Speaker 1: Well, I think felt like you were supposed to do
Speaker 1: it right, felt pressured, and I mean I think some
Speaker 1: of that is still there, but I also think that
Speaker 1: the generations all have their own vibe about it, you know.
Speaker 1: So now we have like this very big generational gap
Speaker 1: right between like z X what are what are they.
Speaker 2: Called, uh, millennials, millennials.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, you know, there's there's
Speaker 1: very distinct things now going on, which I also don't
Speaker 1: feel like used to be true, right, Like you were
Speaker 1: supposed to want what the people ahead of you had. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Now that's not that's like
Speaker 1: a free for all, right, which I think is as
Speaker 1: it should be exactly. But I also think some of
Speaker 1: that is is because of economic issuing, like many different
Speaker 1: things are impacting that, right, yes, but I also think
Speaker 1: that it's nice that there's more choice. It's nice that
Speaker 1: you can pick your own lane and be there. But
Speaker 1: like you know, when when Mary Beth came on and
Speaker 1: she said that her friends were criticizing her for one
Speaker 1: thing a boyfriend that made me laugh so hard, dude,
Speaker 1: like you're crazy, but she's of the group of boyfriends
Speaker 1: are embarrassing, right, which I also really like, for me,
Speaker 1: I find the whole movement of this to be really
Speaker 1: empowering and great, and I think part of that is
Speaker 1: because of the social media element, because there was a
Speaker 1: time when, you know, Instagram official was like this whole thing,
Speaker 1: like if you weren't posting, you know, like you and
Speaker 1: the cute you know, significant other or whatever. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think that whole thing is just like what awful
Speaker 1: because I also feel like it's added pressure and also
Speaker 1: everyone makes it look amazing and obviously relationships are complicated,
Speaker 1: but you can't really put complicated on Instagram. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: so then it just looks super shiny and beautiful and
Speaker 1: you're in some beautiful location and everything's beautiful, and you know,
Speaker 1: it looks just so wonderful and then like you know,
Speaker 1: there they'll show flowers like oh you give me flowers
Speaker 1: and you're just like, oh god. But anyway, So that's
Speaker 1: what I love about Chante Joseph's article Our Boyfriend's embarrassing
Speaker 1: question mark, And I think maybe is there now and
Speaker 1: there are boyfriends now embarrassing?
Speaker 2: Is having a boy is having a boyfriend embarrassing now?
Speaker 2: Which feels like something we would have been a super
Speaker 2: tight zoom in on Carrie's computer and watch your.
Speaker 1: Type is having a boyfriend now? Embarrassing? Question mark? That
Speaker 1: is such a Carrie Bradshat question. I love it so much.
Speaker 1: But I have seen Shane on my Instagram and she
Speaker 1: has gotten a lot of angry, angry texts as well.
Speaker 1: So there's the people who love it, like myself, who
Speaker 1: find the whole message very empowering and like a valid
Speaker 1: question because some of these boyfriends are frankly embarrassing. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I would argue the majority of them, I would be
Speaker 2: what I have witnessed out there.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I'm not really you know so much
Speaker 1: in the mix or whatever, but like, from what I
Speaker 1: see sometimes I'm like, you do feel like it's a
Speaker 1: waste of a woman's time.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it benefits the man so much more in
Speaker 2: every possible way. The only we got too much on this,
Speaker 2: But like I've talked to my wife about this story,
Speaker 2: and like we have had an honest conversation, and I
Speaker 2: firmly believe that the only thing, the only advantage that
Speaker 2: I serve her is that it is easier to do
Speaker 2: certain things if it comes from a man, because that's
Speaker 2: how society is.
Speaker 1: So fucked up.
Speaker 2: It's so so fucked up.
Speaker 1: It was still so crazy when we're planning.
Speaker 2: Our wedding, we're playing our wedding, we're trying to get
Speaker 2: this dumb red curtain, and our wedding planner and my
Speaker 2: wife were emailing the guy who ran the venue. Now
Speaker 2: response at all, I copy and pasted and sent the
Speaker 2: exact same email go back to me right away. And
Speaker 2: that was the first time I had ever really seen that,
Speaker 2: seen it like happen. And I was like, this happens
Speaker 2: every day all around me, and it's so sad. And
Speaker 2: that is the you know, I truly think that's the
Speaker 2: only but but you know, that's the only thing that
Speaker 2: I really bring to this is that like, oh, we
Speaker 2: have we have a great relationship, we get along really well,
Speaker 2: we love each other's company and stuff like that. But
Speaker 2: but like I I will be the first to say,
Speaker 2: we we own our home. Because my wife put it,
Speaker 2: like found it and put it in a little word together.
Speaker 2: She pushed me to like get a better job. There's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I think that's a common story for a lot of
Speaker 2: these men get dragged kicking and screaming into adulthood by
Speaker 2: these strong, powerful women that are gracing us with their presence.
Speaker 1: I agree. I think that's true. I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: I feel and I feel bad a little bit saying it,
Speaker 1: because I mean I like Ben, you know, and I
Speaker 1: like my friend's husbands and all that. Do you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? And I will say I want to
Speaker 1: say this. I think it's important to say. I think
Speaker 1: that I have a really good girlfriend. We've been friends
Speaker 1: since we were twenties, in our twenties, like a long time.
Speaker 1: And I was there when she went on her first
Speaker 1: date with her husband. It was adorable and very cute.
Speaker 1: I tell their daughters the story now and they laugh
Speaker 1: really hard. And he luckily proposed. He'd been living with
Speaker 1: her in her house right, and they had a bit
Speaker 1: of a kind of one of those almost breakups before
Speaker 1: the proposal, which happens. I don't know if you've witnessed
Speaker 1: this with your friends or yourself or whatever, Like there's
Speaker 1: like a crux, like a crisis kind of thing that happens, yeah,
Speaker 1: when people are debating maybe taking the next step. And
Speaker 1: he was acting really wacky and she came to me
Speaker 1: and she said, I just I don't want to say
Speaker 1: their names because I feel bad telling the story, but
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say it. This she came to me
Speaker 1: and she's like, I don't know what's going on with him.
Speaker 1: He's just acting so strange, and you know, he said
Speaker 1: maybe he should, you know, like you know, see other people.
Speaker 1: I was like, what this is in our twenties, right,
Speaker 1: And I said, you know, I mean I think late twenties.
Speaker 1: I said, is he insane? You should tell him to
Speaker 1: get out, like he can get out if that is
Speaker 1: what he wants. He needs to get his things and
Speaker 1: move out of your house because right now he is
Speaker 1: living the life and he needs to either like commit
Speaker 1: to the life or get the fuck out, right. So
Speaker 1: she told him that I said this, and I mean
Speaker 1: it was very rare for me at the time, like
Speaker 1: cause and I did really love him and I did
Speaker 1: think they were a great couple. But I was mad
Speaker 1: right on her behalf, and so she told him this,
Speaker 1: and he was mad at me for a little while,
Speaker 1: but he did propose, thank God in heaven. Now, what
Speaker 1: I want to say about them is that they have
Speaker 1: the most amazing relationship. And I mean I've known them
Speaker 1: forever now, right, and she has gone through cancer. Wow,
Speaker 1: and she's fine now knocking the wood, but he literally
Speaker 1: got her through it. Like it makes me want to cry.
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't think you should ever feel
Speaker 1: like you're not contributing, right because you're in it together.
Speaker 1: You know, you're in life together, and that's the beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: That's the beautiful thing, right. So, yes, we live in
Speaker 1: a sexist, patriarchal world that is messed up, and it's
Speaker 1: amazing that you see that, right, But I think, like
Speaker 1: what each person brings to the relationship is so much
Speaker 1: more than that, so so much more than that, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, when it's a good relationship and
Speaker 1: people are committed to working on it, which I think
Speaker 1: is also key, you know, Lena and I talked about
Speaker 1: that too. I mean, like not everybody would say, like
Speaker 1: are you working on your spirituality? Are you working on
Speaker 1: your commitment? Are you working? Are you in therapy? Are
Speaker 1: you is there some way that you're getting better? You know?
Speaker 1: And when you're together in a relationship and doing that,
Speaker 1: that's amazing, yes, yes, and worth it. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, worth it Even though what we're talking
Speaker 1: about is, like I think the way that they're talking
Speaker 1: about that it doesn't benefit the women is economically, yes, right,
Speaker 1: because economically, especially when you become a mother, like your
Speaker 1: economics get like totally wrecked, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like your job, you know, ascendance or whatever you want
Speaker 1: to call it. Like everything. Hannah is doing it all.
Speaker 1: But I mean it's not easy, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: It's not easy right for the women because that's how
Speaker 1: the system is set up exactly, which is messed up
Speaker 1: and you know, hopefully. I mean that's why I find
Speaker 1: articles like Shane's article so so wonderful because like it's
Speaker 1: kind of like peeling back the layers, right and saying like,
Speaker 1: let's say even in your twenties and thirties, you know,
Speaker 1: because it wasn't Mary Beth talking about I don't know
Speaker 1: if she talked about it when she was here, but
Speaker 1: like there's a whole thing about men who wanted to
Speaker 1: buy leather jackets and when needing help from the girlfriend
Speaker 1: because they couldn't decide, and like some girl friend of
Speaker 1: hers had gone and like there was like seventeen leather
Speaker 1: jackets that she had to look at her, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like just stupid, stupid shit, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I don't know how else
Speaker 1: to put it, but you are kind of exhausted by
Speaker 1: that at a certain point. And like for me, and
Speaker 1: this is probably really bad that I'm gonna say this,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say it anyway. I got to a
Speaker 1: place in life where I thought, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna raise some children because I'm dire of putting
Speaker 1: all the energy and the men, because the men are
Speaker 1: just gonna go, and then what are you left with?
Speaker 1: Like nothing, I'm just gonna raise some actual children. Like
Speaker 1: That's where I got to. I don't know, So I
Speaker 1: just relate to all of it, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's hard. It's hard. It's hard to it's hard to navigate,
Speaker 1: you know. And so let's talk about Stephen Miranda because
Speaker 1: this is a perfect feed into that Ki man. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: I love Steve. As I've said a few times now,
Speaker 1: I really had no idea how incredible Steve Eigenberg. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: David Eigenmercy. Now I have them and this is the
Speaker 1: same person David Eigenberg was because at the time I
Speaker 1: was never around them, really and I kind of felt,
Speaker 1: so I'm lot of like a frustration that I think
Speaker 1: Miranda felt like I often took on the whatever the
Speaker 1: characters were feeling, vibe or whatever as my own personal self,
Speaker 1: so like I was like, oh God, she's still with him,
Speaker 1: you know. I don't know, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: really thought that thought, but I did think like, wow,
Speaker 1: they're really they've got a lot of Steve in here.
Speaker 1: But when I watch him back, he's just so so
Speaker 1: incredibly good, Like even in hard scenes, like they're in
Speaker 1: a restaurant they're eating. I think this is when you
Speaker 1: first see them in the in the show, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: they're eating and there's a baby there at the table
Speaker 1: next to him. Miranda is like, you know, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is what they invited babysitters for. You know. She really
Speaker 1: makes me laugh, I tell you. And Steve's like, oh no,
Speaker 1: he's so cute, you know, and he's like all kooy
Speaker 1: and whatever. And then he spills soup down his shirt
Speaker 1: and she's like, you're a mess, and I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is just so good because he really is so believable,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like he's so open and
Speaker 1: honest and adorable. But then just one second later, he
Speaker 1: goes too far and he's annoying, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like he's a kid, you know.
Speaker 2: Definitely at the same.
Speaker 1: Time that he's saying we should have a baby, and
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, you're you're insane. And then she's like,
Speaker 1: oh god, you're not, You're you actually mean it. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, Miranda, Miranda, things are coming, things are coming.
Speaker 1: But I think it's I just really I feel for
Speaker 1: him because I feel like there are times in your
Speaker 1: life where you're just like, I want, I want to
Speaker 1: I want to do the next thing, and this is
Speaker 1: what the next thing is. And then if the person
Speaker 1: that you're with doesn't want to do that next thing,
Speaker 1: it's so hard and then you have to decide am
Speaker 1: I going to leave because they don't want what I want?
Speaker 2: And this is pretty fundamental difference at that point.
Speaker 1: This is definitely a fundamental difference. But she's not wrong.
Speaker 1: But then things things happen. But you know what, I
Speaker 1: don't really remember exactly how it goes down either. I'm
Speaker 1: really curious. See I remember some of it, but I
Speaker 1: don't remember all of it. So we see them at
Speaker 1: the soup At the soup but that they're they're sitting
Speaker 1: having like like oodun or something. Yes, and she's like
Speaker 1: the baby and he's like it's adorable. And then she's all,
Speaker 1: you know, mad, and and and then she gets at
Speaker 1: wait wait, wait does she she thinks it's crazy. Of course,
Speaker 1: they've only been living together two months, which is also
Speaker 1: really funny because it seems like it's I don't know,
Speaker 1: it seems like a while. It does in our showtime lace, right.
Speaker 2: But only two months not long.
Speaker 1: It's not long at all. Slow yourself down, man, I mean,
Speaker 1: but he is so interesting because I kind of get
Speaker 1: his point right, Like he's just kind of like a
Speaker 1: go with the flow, like let's make it work, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I get it. So then she's working
Speaker 1: and Steve is watching Scooby Doo. And the really funny
Speaker 1: part is I'm like, he is so annoying, and then
Speaker 1: she walks up and he's like, no, it's a really
Speaker 1: good one where the ghost I'm like, I remember that one.
Speaker 2: So now I gotta point this out, Kelly. The Steve says,
Speaker 2: this is the one where they found the ghosts and
Speaker 2: the salt mine. No, it is not Steve what he
Speaker 2: is watching The episode is called the I wrote this
Speaker 2: down the Jeeper Jeepers. It's the Creeper, which is about
Speaker 2: it's a it takes place in a bank. There's no ghosts.
Speaker 1: We messed up.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 1: This is the kind of thing that the Instagram would
Speaker 1: be all all in a for about if we made
Speaker 1: this in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: So I brought this up. I'm a big scowy do fan.
Speaker 2: My wife and I watching this show.
Speaker 1: This is so perfect. Is rewatching with me right now?
Speaker 1: And your wife? Watch it together? Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, watch this together, having a great time. I pause
Speaker 2: it and I'm like, I don't think this is the
Speaker 2: right episode. I look it up. My suspicions are confirmed,
Speaker 2: and Alison says, I think that was intentional. I don't
Speaker 2: think Steve is trying to say, oh, no, I'm watching.
Speaker 2: He wasn't gonna say IM was watching this specific episode.
Speaker 2: He was goofing around saying, oh, I'm watching someone with
Speaker 2: the ghost, because that's kind of like a generic Scooby.
Speaker 1: Doo oh I did.
Speaker 2: He's a ghost of AsSalt mine and like Jesus kind
Speaker 2: of being like I'm watching cartoons, you know, much like
Speaker 2: a baby Wood, which we will hopefully have in the
Speaker 2: house soon.
Speaker 1: So she gave him the credit that he's kind of
Speaker 1: intentionally doing this. Yes, you're thinking, Allison.
Speaker 2: They just pulled a random Scooby Doo episode and didn't check.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, I think that might have happened. I
Speaker 1: love that she's giving us more credit than that. I
Speaker 1: don't know for sure because I never noticed that because
Speaker 1: the only Scooby Doo that I really remember is the ghost.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: JURY mean, but that's really interesting. I mean, it does.
Speaker 1: It does make you wonder because he does seem the
Speaker 1: thing about Steve, you know, there's like a kind of
Speaker 1: a passive aggressive way that he gets what he wants, right,
Speaker 1: which is the annoying part, like what is about to happen,
Speaker 1: which I still just can't even believe. Right, But I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously I support what he wants because I want dogs always,
Speaker 1: but like the way that he gets this dog. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I didn't remember this, and every time I
Speaker 1: watch it, I've not watched it twice, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: this is bad. Miranda. So they have the fight about
Speaker 1: Scooby Doo, and then Miranda's at work the next day
Speaker 1: and she is definitely mean Mommy, Oh no, wait is
Speaker 1: she a workers she walking with Carrie. Oh yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: she hasn't watch when she walks with Carrie. It is
Speaker 1: the cutest thing in the world. Carrie's got that massive
Speaker 1: flower on. We're in the full on flower era, yes,
Speaker 1: and they are hooked and hooked arms and they're walking
Speaker 1: on the street and those are real people. Like it's
Speaker 1: a real person version of the walking down the street.
Speaker 1: It's so good.
Speaker 2: So I loved I watched that scene twice.
Speaker 1: I love it. It's really good. And the two of
Speaker 1: them walking and talking at anytime is great.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, she tells Carrie that they're not in a good place,
Speaker 1: but she seems kind of okay about it in this scene, right,
Speaker 1: like she's like, you know, and he's so crazy that
Speaker 1: he thinks a baby's going to fix it. And she
Speaker 1: says Carrie says like, well, where are you too? You know,
Speaker 1: like Carrie's just being funny, like make he wear jokes
Speaker 1: and stuff. And then Miranda says, you know, I am
Speaker 1: getting older and I only have like a thousand eggs left,
Speaker 1: and Carrie's like, yes, we just killed three hundred of
Speaker 1: them with the drinks we just had or whatever. It's
Speaker 1: all very interesting. I'm like, Okay, guys, we're joking about this.
Speaker 1: This is super fascinating. But I guess we're going to
Speaker 1: just joke about this for like a couple more seasons.
Speaker 1: I think, like it's interesting. I was kind of unaware
Speaker 1: in a way. You know, it's interesting. It's interesting, But
Speaker 1: I mean, I know there's storyline that I remember coming
Speaker 1: up with Miranda because of her one Ovary and me
Speaker 1: and Bah. There's going to be a lot more coming.
Speaker 1: But I find it so interesting how they lay the seeds,
Speaker 1: like they're very smart about it. I like it. So
Speaker 1: they walk and talk, it's adorable. Sir Jessca has a
Speaker 1: massive fluorescent fusial flower. It's really cute. Then Miranda's at work,
Speaker 1: she's literally in the meeting of like the middle of
Speaker 1: like writing a brief. Steve calls her and it's like
Speaker 1: meet me at seventy eighth or fifty eighth and seventh
Speaker 1: or whatever. I mean, honestly, like who calls someone at
Speaker 1: a job and says that, Like that's so crazy, but whatever,
Speaker 1: she does it. I'm like, Miranda deserves craw it. Well,
Speaker 1: where are they there? At a pet store? And he's like,
Speaker 1: can we please have a puppy. He's like so crazy,
Speaker 1: and she's like, who's going to take care of it?
Speaker 1: I mean it is literally apparent to child conversation, but
Speaker 1: it's still a cute puppy. And he goes it's like
Speaker 1: a starter, you know, to see if we can do it,
Speaker 1: and he's like, it'll make everything better, and I mean
Speaker 1: she's like, you know, she knows in her gut that
Speaker 1: this is not a good idea, but she does it.
Speaker 1: And you know what do we see next the middle
Speaker 1: of the night and that puppy's crying and Miranda says, no,
Speaker 1: what she is obviously not a dog person. Steve like,
Speaker 1: it's also that kind of thing where you're like, obviously
Speaker 1: we're watching and they're in it, but like, can't he
Speaker 1: see that she's not this right? It's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a I understand his thinking of like let's
Speaker 2: let's ease ourselves into the baby pool with the dog,
Speaker 2: but like, but she's.
Speaker 1: She's not a zero interest. She's like not even like
Speaker 1: it's like a tiny She's not like maybe later, you know,
Speaker 1: she's like no, so he's like a dog a puppy
Speaker 1: and you know, oh yeah, yeah, but then that meat
Speaker 1: makes her in the middle of the night. Oh what
Speaker 1: I really love. So she bends over and she tries
Speaker 1: to give the puppy this like old fashioned alarm clock.
Speaker 1: She's obviously still clueless about dogs, right, and then and
Speaker 1: then she turns and she takes both hands and shakes himself.
Speaker 1: Are it really made me laugh? I think it's like
Speaker 1: you feel you feel her frustration watching it. And he
Speaker 1: gets up and he's like, what you know, Yeah, since
Speaker 1: we know David's not coming on, I can do my
Speaker 1: bad avitation. So then she basically just gets up and
Speaker 1: breaks up with him in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: And I felt really bad for him. But I felt
Speaker 1: really bad for him because she is obviously really sad
Speaker 1: about it. And this again is when I think like,
Speaker 1: she's so good, so good, because she's still so torn. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's just so well done, right, because
Speaker 1: like there's nothing on paper of this situation that works.
Speaker 1: But she's trying. And then he goes, no, you didn't try,
Speaker 1: and she's like, I tried for a long time. And
Speaker 1: then he's like all hurt, like literally everything she says
Speaker 1: hurts him. But I get it, she has been trying
Speaker 1: for a long time. Yes, she really has I feel
Speaker 1: for her.
Speaker 2: Is this the like third time they've broken up?
Speaker 1: I think it's a second time. I mean because the
Speaker 1: last time he comes to the party in the rain
Speaker 1: or whatever, he's at the dinner where he's like bringing
Speaker 1: everyone drinks.
Speaker 3: Last.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's awkward, and then he goes out. But then
Speaker 1: she realizes because big came, that maybe she's being too harsh,
Speaker 1: so she goes back out in the rain and the
Speaker 1: kiss it's really good. It was really good. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's an interesting thing. But I do wonder too,
Speaker 1: like if you think about real relationships, you know, how
Speaker 1: often is it that everyone on the outside is thinking
Speaker 1: this is really obviously not going to work? But then
Speaker 1: in my work, yes, you know what I'm saying, you don't.
Speaker 2: Really know, right, it's a chemical reaction that you don't
Speaker 2: you can't predict.
Speaker 1: I mean, is it a chemical reaction though, that's my question, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, it can be a chemical reaction, but is
Speaker 1: a chemical reaction enough? Yeah, that's the question. We haven't
Speaker 1: really talked about Charlotte, which is funny or Samantha. Oh
Speaker 1: Samantha storyline really depresses me. That's why I forgot about it.
Speaker 1: Oh my God. This is also I did not remember
Speaker 1: that we got into menopause at this point in the show.
Speaker 1: But I mean we're ahead of our time, people ahead
Speaker 1: of our time.
Speaker 2: Man. I had the same reaction. And when I was
Speaker 2: watching this, I'm like, oh, this is because I remember
Speaker 2: this episode. I've seen it a handful of times, and
Speaker 2: I was like, OK, this happens this early.
Speaker 1: Me too. I didn't think it happened this early at all,
Speaker 1: but it does make sense because she's moved right, so
Speaker 1: she's got different neighbors. And so this neighbor who's like this,
Speaker 1: you know, ponytail dude, and I mean they just wrote
Speaker 1: it like so extreme. You know.
Speaker 2: He's played by Robert LuPone, who is Patty Lapone's brother.
Speaker 1: I am aware, yes, yes, and he gives it is
Speaker 1: all man, he really does. He digs in, he digs
Speaker 1: in with this guy oo and she just seems so
Speaker 1: miserable and I felt really bad for her. So basically,
Speaker 1: we have that very long scene in the bathroom, and
Speaker 1: I do remember filming that, and it's not the only
Speaker 1: scene we've had that was like a set that we would,
Speaker 1: I think, try to change up a little bit. I
Speaker 1: feel like last season We also filmed in that weird counter,
Speaker 1: you know, because there's like a fake mirror, but it's
Speaker 1: obviously the cameras. Yeah, and it's really hard to block,
Speaker 1: right because like you're all standing there and you have
Speaker 1: to do the right thing at the right time, and
Speaker 1: we would just be in there for hours and hours
Speaker 1: and hours. And I remember that one because like we
Speaker 1: have to pass the tampon and then I have to
Speaker 1: go back in the stell and then I have to
Speaker 1: come back out, and then Samantha has to tell us
Speaker 1: all that she's older, and then there's like this awkward silence. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's like so strange, Like I don't know if that
Speaker 1: was what was on the page, like do you're name saying?
Speaker 1: Like is it is it supposed to be funny or
Speaker 1: is it supposed to be awkward? I guess it's just
Speaker 1: supposed to be awkward. I don't know. I was like
Speaker 1: kind of dying watching it the same, And I mean
Speaker 1: it's odd because like we must know and why is
Speaker 1: it a big deal?
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I also.
Speaker 1: Feel like the rest of us are in our thirties.
Speaker 1: Like the funny thing is how we talk about aging,
Speaker 1: but we're so young, you know, And now, I do
Speaker 1: think that would be different, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think women in the thirties are like, ohly
Speaker 1: have a thousand eggs left? I mean, are they? Maybe
Speaker 1: they are. I don't know. You guys right on the
Speaker 1: Instagram tell me if that's true, because I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I felt like it was premature, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? But I do I feel as
Speaker 1: a as a female who was in her thirties at
Speaker 1: the time that this is and they started with the
Speaker 1: articles about freezing your eggs and stuff like, this is
Speaker 1: when they started with the articles about the ticking time clock. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you kind of like if you were out in
Speaker 1: the world and you looked around, you just see like
Speaker 1: magazines like your clock is ticking, Like it was weird.
Speaker 1: It was like it just they decided to just start
Speaker 1: talking about it all the time, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Yes, but they were not talking about menopause
Speaker 1: all the time. So I think it's really awesome that
Speaker 1: we do talk about it at all. And so poor
Speaker 1: Samantha goes through this whole really sad, sad time where
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm day old Bread's. Yeah, it's so sad.
Speaker 1: It's so sad, And so she has sex with her
Speaker 1: neighbor even though she really doesn't want to, and she
Speaker 1: looks so miserable with him, and they're at dinner and
Speaker 1: she's just so obviously miserable. It's kind of funny that
Speaker 1: she's so obviously miserable because it's not how we normally
Speaker 1: see Samantha. Yes, but he is oblivious. And then they
Speaker 1: go home and have sex, but she's not even participating,
Speaker 1: even remotely, but she's only doing it because she thinks
Speaker 1: she's over the hill. And then she gets her period
Speaker 1: and she's so ecstatic that she runs off because she
Speaker 1: realizes she's not quote old or whatever. It's all so crazy.
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, it's amazing that we were
Speaker 1: talking about it back then, in the year of two thousand, right,
Speaker 1: because now twenty twenty five, we're trying to pull that
Speaker 1: lid off. Man. We got to talk about women's health,
Speaker 1: We got to talk about what menopause means and when
Speaker 1: it starts and what to do and all the different things,
Speaker 1: which I think is great.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, yes, another moment where sex and city trailblazing we.
Speaker 1: Were we were, I mean, we do it in a
Speaker 1: slightly like questionable way, although you know, because we're trying
Speaker 1: to be funny, which I think is great that we're
Speaker 1: trying to be funny. And obviously in the second film,
Speaker 1: she's got a whole storyline about her hormones. And I
Speaker 1: remember the time, I hadn't I hadn't been through it yet,
Speaker 1: and I didn't totally understand, you know, I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't not understand, but I hadn't been there, and now
Speaker 1: I have, and it's so real. I mean, you do
Speaker 1: not want to lose your hormones. Like you got to
Speaker 1: pack those hormones in a special place if you're traveling,
Speaker 1: and you need to guard them, Like you can't just
Speaker 1: put them in your suitcase, because what if you lose
Speaker 1: your suitcase. You got to keep them with you, which
Speaker 1: I think is what she's doing in the second film.
Speaker 1: Like it is all very real. And if you lose
Speaker 1: those hormones, I mean it goes south quick, man, I
Speaker 1: mean quick. You don't sleep, you're sweat covered. It's bad.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if I'm scaring all you younger ladies and easton.
Speaker 2: This is real, real, it is real.
Speaker 1: It is real. It seems like it's a caricature, but
Speaker 1: it's really hot, and I mean it is different for everyone, right,
Speaker 1: but like like when it finally hit me, I was like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? Like what, like what because you're kind
Speaker 1: of like, what's going on with me? Like it's odd?
Speaker 1: Why am I hot? Because I'm never hot? Right, never hot?
Speaker 1: And you think, like, like I had this happen when
Speaker 1: I just this past season. No, yes, when we were
Speaker 1: filming and I had this big scene to do with
Speaker 1: Sarah Jessica where I had to go to work at
Speaker 1: like four in the morning or five in the morning.
Speaker 1: When I woke up at one and I was in
Speaker 1: an Airbnb and I thought that the air conditioning had
Speaker 1: broke because it was really hot. And then I thought,
Speaker 1: oh my god, did I forget to change my hormone patch?
Speaker 1: Am I having a night sweat? I had COVID? Wow? Right,
Speaker 1: But the list of thoughts went number one, the air
Speaker 1: conditioning broke, so it was the summer number two. I
Speaker 1: forgot to put on my hormone patch. Number three, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I have a fever. I of COVID, which
Speaker 1: is number three. Turned out to be true. But I mean,
Speaker 1: it is a really interesting thing once you've been through it,
Speaker 1: You're like, wow, it's not played up for film and
Speaker 1: TV like it is actually like someone has just thrown
Speaker 1: a bucket of water at you, like all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: like it's so bizarre. Anyway, I digress, but it is
Speaker 1: really interesting to look back at what we were writing
Speaker 1: back then, even though we're trying to make it funny.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I think in a way it's good
Speaker 1: that we're trying to make up funny.
Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking, is it's uh, it's it's
Speaker 2: going to reach a lot more people.
Speaker 1: Yeah that way, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, and
Speaker 1: maybe they don't necessarily understand it. But later then I go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: now let's talk about Sweet Charlotte. Sweet Charlotte. Charlotte just
Speaker 1: toying with that Tray. Oh my goodness me. But I
Speaker 1: thought it was adorable and I didn't mind it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't like the playing of the games. I think
Speaker 1: we've already discussed this or whatever. In general, I don't
Speaker 1: like the playing of the games. But I think also
Speaker 1: when I look at how it's going with Tray and Charlotte,
Speaker 1: it's all good. Do I mean, like you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, It's still really fun. Everyone's having fun, not
Speaker 1: a big deal. I do think it's also adorable. I
Speaker 1: had not remembered that I closed the door and he
Speaker 1: says he loves me in the most dry, dry way.
Speaker 1: But it's so adorable, Like it's so simple. It was
Speaker 1: such a great choice, you know on his part. I
Speaker 1: think how how he delivers that, and it is really cute.
Speaker 1: I didn't remember then that I invite him in and
Speaker 1: go to whatever base that would be. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Like Charlotte, God, she's wackydoodle. She is she is?
Speaker 2: Uh? I think is that Charlotte are curious? Is kissing
Speaker 2: with extras?
Speaker 1: That's I think. I say kiss do? I say kissing
Speaker 1: with extras? And she's like, how ninth great of you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's so totally one hundred percent right. But again, when
Speaker 1: I look at like, if you were just to tell
Speaker 1: me this storyline, I'd be like, eh, But when you
Speaker 1: look at us like it's all good, it's so good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He's so fantastic and it's so perfect.
Speaker 1: And I don't think there's anything wrong with getting to
Speaker 1: know somebody before you jump in bed with him.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's uh. I mean that's when I
Speaker 2: was a dating man. I used to wait a very
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 1: How long is a very long time?
Speaker 2: Basically there's a couple of times where they the woman
Speaker 2: would ask me, like, are you are you into? She
Speaker 2: was worried. Yeah, Like I would wait like like five
Speaker 2: dates before before making a move like that.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 2: I would you like a kiss.
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. I like it. I
Speaker 1: like it. I like it because I like it because
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it would depend on the situation,
Speaker 1: but I like it because to me from a guy
Speaker 1: that's confident, Yeah, right, because like most guys are worried
Speaker 1: that you're going to put them in a friend zone,
Speaker 1: like if they don't move quickly, that you're going to decide,
Speaker 1: oh they're just a friend, Like that moment will pass
Speaker 1: and it will never come back or whatever the heck. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't I don't think that that makes sense,
Speaker 1: really no.
Speaker 2: And I think if that's going to happen, it's going
Speaker 2: to happen. You know, I always wanted an emotional connection
Speaker 2: before I did that.
Speaker 1: I think that's fransis. I think it makes it so
Speaker 1: much better for that. But why don't all people feel
Speaker 1: that it's interesting. Yeah, because now with the whole hookup culture, man,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't think anybody waits five dates. No, No,
Speaker 1: it would be crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think they wait. I think it's the
Speaker 2: first night.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: Apparently this is what I hear, But I mean I
Speaker 1: also think like that's crazy also, right, I mean I
Speaker 1: just feel like my thing, too, is like why can't
Speaker 1: you just go case by case? Yes, like maybe someone
Speaker 1: is a hookup and that's fine, that's great, enjoy it,
Speaker 1: know what it is, This is what it is. I'm
Speaker 1: not expecting anything, right, but then maybe somebody else might
Speaker 1: not be, or maybe you don't know and you need
Speaker 1: to find out right. Yes, it's all very confusing. So
Speaker 1: I think with this Charlotte Tray, I think the important
Speaker 1: thing to me when I look at it is that
Speaker 1: they seem in sync. Like it's not like he's mad
Speaker 1: or confused or anything like that. He seems equally into it.
Speaker 2: Yes, which is why it's working. They're both yeah, exactly
Speaker 2: in sync.
Speaker 1: There, exactly, which is so adorable. Let me cover everything, Easton,
Speaker 1: You're so good with the paperwork.
Speaker 2: I think, So I just one thing I want to
Speaker 2: point out from Charlotte's moment. I just love the line
Speaker 2: where she's, uh, they're talking about the tampons and she's like, well,
Speaker 2: I have them at home, but they won't fit in
Speaker 2: my Kate Spade perse.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad. I'm so glad. Yeah, it's quite a
Speaker 1: Kate Spade moment. It was quite a Kate Spade moment.
Speaker 1: And you know, I love Kate Spade, and yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's a little sad talk about Kate Spade,
Speaker 1: but I love Kate Spade and I love that they later, later,
Speaker 1: many years later, is working in England and they were
Speaker 1: trying to get wardrobe for me and they said.
Speaker 3: You know, we're trying to get some Kate Spade, but
Speaker 3: we can't get any. And I was like, you can't
Speaker 3: get any Kate Spade, Like, can I call them?
Speaker 1: I think I could get you too, some Kate Spade. Well,
Speaker 1: to them, Kate Spade was just like yeah, like like
Speaker 1: like an unattainable dream do I mean, it was adorable.
Speaker 1: But I do love Kate Spade, and I do remember
Speaker 1: there was a really big Kate Spade store on like
Speaker 1: Broom and Spring or Prints, and I used to go
Speaker 1: there all the time. And I used to buy a
Speaker 1: lot of stationary. She made beautiful stationary and I still
Speaker 1: have a bunch of it. And we had a lot
Speaker 1: of wonderful things from Kate's Bad for a really long time,
Speaker 1: and it was so quintessentially Charlotte. I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: so kind of Oh yeah, great, perfectly Charlotte.
Speaker 2: I have spent so much money at Kate Spade in
Speaker 2: my life. Yes, I I up until recently, I had
Speaker 2: I always had a Kate Spayed iPhone case for me,
Speaker 2: Oh my god. And I love the crazy bags that
Speaker 2: they make and fun, the fun one like my wife
Speaker 2: has a one that looks like a mouse, one looks
Speaker 2: like a crab. I bought it when that looks like
Speaker 2: a radio because I worked in radio and we love
Speaker 2: Kate Spade.
Speaker 1: I have like a loose sight like a like a
Speaker 1: loose sight box one, you know what I mean. It's interesting,
Speaker 1: it's interesting. I like it. I still have it. I
Speaker 1: like it a lot. I think it was Charlotte. I
Speaker 1: don't know it was Charlotte's. I don't know. I like
Speaker 1: it though. I like it. It's fun. It's like a
Speaker 1: fun I like the fun, whimsical nature that I agree
Speaker 1: with you. I agree with you. I think this episode
Speaker 1: of overall was really good. But I also think that
Speaker 1: one of the things that I am aware of when
Speaker 1: I watched this episode, like I kind of mentioned, is
Speaker 1: just the skillfulness of the writing in terms of planting
Speaker 1: all these different things, yes, that are going to be
Speaker 1: growing and growing, And I think this is why I
Speaker 1: love third season so much. Yep, right, Like they weave
Speaker 1: everything in and it's really gonna pay off, yes, you know,
Speaker 1: but it's also really fun along the way, Like each
Speaker 1: episode is great and it's hard to turn it off
Speaker 1: when you need to turn it off.
Speaker 2: It'srey you know. At the beginning, we were talking about
Speaker 2: like you would watch it comes from the Past, and
Speaker 2: it was like everything would be tied up. You could
Speaker 2: watch any episode.
Speaker 1: You should tell you that you had to do that, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: And they had to be self sufficient, like the an episode,
Speaker 1: so that if someone just just had never seen it
Speaker 1: and was coming to that episode, that they didn't need
Speaker 1: any backstory or forward story. It would just be self contained.
Speaker 2: Yes, And it makes sense because you know where they
Speaker 2: gonna You're not gonna pick it up on DVD. You know,
Speaker 2: you can't do that back then, so it makes sense.
Speaker 2: But something I think is so masterful about this this
Speaker 2: show and this season specifically, is like, you can't you
Speaker 2: get I think, the best of both worlds because you
Speaker 2: get these these seeds for these long arcs, you get
Speaker 2: to follow along on these stories. But I think if
Speaker 2: you just watch this episode on its own, it has
Speaker 2: these really succinct ideas that you can enjoy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's a good point. I mean, that's what's
Speaker 1: cool about the way that they wove together her writing, Yes,
Speaker 1: and the themes of the episode, with the relationships that
Speaker 1: are happening in the episode, and why we can twenty
Speaker 1: five years later talk about the theme and have it
Speaker 1: still be interesting.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's crazy to think about. It still boggles my mind,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I never would have dreamt a
Speaker 1: million hundred years that we would be here discussing the
Speaker 1: themes and the characters and the relationships. It's cuckoo, but
Speaker 1: I love it. It's such a gift. It's such a gift.
Speaker 2: It really is.
Speaker 1: Yes, thanks, he used to thank you. It's so fun.
Speaker 1: It's easy. It's easy and good. We'll just have to
Speaker 1: have Alison on one day.
Speaker 3: Fun.
Speaker 1: That would be fun. Have you together.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I'm down.
Speaker 1: That could be enjoyable, That could be enjoyable. All right,
Speaker 1: thank you, bye everybody,