1 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature future production of I Heart Radio. I'm 2 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: your host to Many Parasites Katie Golden. I studied psychology 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and today on the show I'm Trash, 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: we're talking about all the animals who intentionally make themselves 5 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: look like garbage. These animals want you to just ignore 6 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: them because they're normal litterd nothing to see here. Those 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: some have sinister purposes. Discover this and more as we 8 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: answer the age old question why do so many bugs 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: want to look like poop? Joining me today is friend 10 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: of the show, comedian and producer of The City Council 11 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: Show podcast, Polo V. Goodlandlan Welcome. Hello, I'm super excited 12 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: to be on this episode. Yes, I like, I feel 13 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: like so many people also to disguise themselves as trash exactly. Yeah. 14 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: I sometimes like you just want to kind of appear 15 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: like trash so you can float through the world and 16 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,279 Speaker 1: not have any anyone interacts. Do you have a question? 17 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: Do you ever feel like a plastic bag? Wow? That's beautiful. 18 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: Did you come up with that? Yeah? Just now, I 19 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: just that's that's such a beautiful sentiment. I love that. Yeah, 20 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: I mean I do sometimes feel like like tarash. I 21 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: don't know what I'm how I'm approaching that word, but 22 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: I feel like trash sometimes. I'm really excited to see 23 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: like a fish that looks like a Derrito's bag, you know, 24 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: just like trash. I was like picturing like human trash, 25 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: and I was like, that's crazy that there there is 26 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: a like a lizard that looks like a water bottle. 27 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: That's the wild I mean, give them, give them like 28 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: a few more million years of evolution and it'll happen. Yeah. 29 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, So we are talking about animals who disguise 30 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: themselves as garbage for a variety of fun reasons. The 31 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: first one I want to talk about is the cockatoo 32 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: wasp fish, also known as a Blabby's tain nineous. Okay, 33 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: it was gonna be like fish, get your own animal name, 34 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: because it's like cockatoo wasp fish, you know what I mean. 35 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: I feel like it's appropriating very many different animal cultures 36 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: and it's good to know it has its own name. Yeah, 37 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: which is a Blaby's taying ninan. Notice. Yeah, it is 38 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: a six inch or fifteen centimeter fish found in the 39 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: West Pacific near Japan, Australia, and Fiji. They are typically 40 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: found on the sandy sea floor or in sea grass 41 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: um and they basically their whole lifestyle is don't mind me, 42 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: I'm a dead piece of gross kelp, ignore me. Help 43 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: the trash of the sea other than the trash that 44 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 1: we also put in the sea, Yeah, that's also trash. 45 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, but you know, KELP is sort of 46 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: like the dead leaves of the seas, nature's trash um 47 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: and they really commit to the bit. Uh. I've provided 48 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: you with a couple of YouTube links if you would 49 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: be so kind of check those out. That'd be so 50 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: weird if I clicked on this YouTube link and I 51 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: started getting ads from fish new heably Oh whoa, there 52 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: was one in the foreground that I didn't even see. Wow. 53 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: They're very good at it. And they're doing the whole 54 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: like lazing around getting moved by the water water which 55 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: is wind of the sea, the wind of the sea water. Yes, damn, 56 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: that's such a chill life, just like and just relaxing 57 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: and trash. Yeah, I mean it's they are doing a 58 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: method acting of the of the dead. KELP really going 59 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: for who was the succession guy, Jeremy what's his name? 60 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: Jeremy Strong could never, Jeremy Strong could never, Daniel day Lewis, 61 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: who else does? Yeah, like Jared Litto leto Jared a 62 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: bunch of strangely ego tripping men, right, more like Jared 63 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: lefo this guy there we go. But watching the second 64 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: clip one second? Do they like? Help is different colors? Right, Yeah, 65 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: I mean brown green mostly, So I'm wondering if, like 66 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: the kelp in the area wherever these are, like, if 67 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: they if they reflect the color of the kelp there. Yeah, 68 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: probably I would imagine, so like there's there's a great 69 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: deal of this color of brownish sort of reddish brown kelp, 70 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: so they would blend right in with the kelp force 71 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: you know where they are. Um and yeah, I really 72 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: just appreciate how committed they are to acting like kelp. 73 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: They swim in a way where they kind of make 74 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: it seem like they're drifting, so it looks just like 75 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: they're kelp kind of floating in the current, but they 76 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: are intentionally moving, so like their swim styles, like I 77 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: just kind of swim over here like they're floating. Uh. 78 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:25,799 Speaker 1: And but they are covered in poisonous spines. Um, yeah, 79 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: venomous spines. So unfortunately they if you step on one 80 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,239 Speaker 1: of these. They have a bunch of venomous spines, and 81 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: it's fun because they make themselves intentionally look just like kelp. 82 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, and then you're gonna spine me. It's a fault, right, 83 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: Good luck with that. Uh. And and even like more 84 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: toxic of them is that their predators, and they will 85 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: each shrimp in small crustaceans, and this form of mimicry 86 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: is not just to evade detection from editors, it is 87 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 1: to evade detection from their prey. So they just act 88 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: like a dead piece of kelp, float along and then 89 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: ambush some unsuspecting victim and suddenly this kelp is trying 90 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: to eat you. That would give me so many like 91 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: I would have so many trauma responses to vegetation after that. Yeah, 92 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: I mean it's you don't expect like basically the limp 93 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: salad of the sea to attack you. That's the last 94 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: place you would expect violence from, like essentially sea salad. 95 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: So essentially, the only clue you have that this thing 96 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: is not some dead kelp drifting on the sea floor 97 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: is its eyes. And their eyes are really weird because 98 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if you noticed in that video, but 99 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: they kind of like stabilize, like as they're floating, their 100 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: eyes remain kind of like gyroscopically stable, so they can 101 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: continually scan their surroundings for prey. It's like in those 102 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: videos of like people like moving chickens arounds and their 103 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: heads too in the same spot. It's exactly like that, 104 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: except the chicken is covered in venomous spines and looks 105 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: like sea salad. Maybe they would do better on land 106 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: if if they did look like that. Yeah, yeah, I guess, 107 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess we would like that would be 108 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: very effective. Camouflage for a chicken is like a salad 109 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: because then meat eaters are like you a salad. I 110 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: don't want that to be like, oh taste dress like chicken. 111 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: I hate myself, OLIVI is it just me? Or do 112 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: you ever just like dress up in garbage when you 113 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: don't want to be bothered, like you put on into Yeah, 114 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: just like the you'r were your most off putting sweater 115 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: or jeans, like and an intentionally placed Marinara sauce stains 116 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: somewhere just so you know, Yeah, it was intentional, sure, 117 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: artfully artfully designed stains um so that when you go 118 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: outside people will give you like a wide berth. Yeah, 119 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: for sure. I mean that's like when I walk my dogs, 120 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: I'm always just like dressed in whatever I'm at in 121 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: at home, and it's very like not attention. It's like 122 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: it's unfortunately attention grabbing in a wrong way, like in 123 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: that it's like so mismatched. But luckily in Hollywood nobody care, right, 124 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 1: But yeah, I have a lot of my whole, my whole. 125 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: That's like this the Billie Eilish thing where she wore 126 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: a bunch of like baggy sweatpants and stuff so people 127 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't look at her body. Yeah, right, exactly. Yeah, it's 128 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: just sometimes you don't want to be noticed. And it's 129 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: frustrating because I live in Italy and people actually dressed 130 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: very nicely a lot of the time, and everywhere except 131 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: the US, people dressed very nicely a lot of the time. 132 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: It seems that way. Yes, I go to and yet 133 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'm going out to dinner. Are usually 134 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: in the US, I would just like wear a T 135 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: shirt And they were like, you would wear just a 136 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: T shirt outside of your home? And I was like yeah, 137 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: and they're like that's disgusting. Yeah. When I went to 138 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: an Italian language class. I like was in there with 139 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: like jeans and hoodie and she's like, oh, did you 140 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: just come back from the gym. It's like, no, I'm 141 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: just wearing clothes. You're welcome that I'm here. But the 142 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: kind of the commitment to loungewear, to wearing garbage so 143 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: that you're not noticed is done by the humble crab 144 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 1: who I don't know if you've heard of this idea 145 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: of carsonization where animals repeatedly evolved to be crab shaped. 146 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: But all I'm saying is we are sort of headed 147 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: towards crab form eventually. And so isn't that what the 148 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: that movie was about the crab or the lobster? What 149 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: was it that Jake jill and all moving no idea. 150 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: I've never heard of this, but I would love it 151 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: if there's a Jake Jillenhall movie called the Crabs. It 152 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: might have been calling Ferrell. They're kind of the same 153 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: time Ferrell. It wasn't a movie called the Lobster, That's 154 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: what it was. Where you have to like I think 155 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 1: you have to like find you have to marry someone, 156 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: or you turn into an animal when you turn like 157 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: forty or something, and that's where we're all going. A 158 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: single woman. This is up exactly where I'm headed. I'm 159 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: about to turn into this crab. I think going crab 160 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: is not so bad. Honestly, you can scuttle a lot more. 161 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: Scuttling is nice. It's a good it's a good form 162 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: of locomotion. Anyways, I would I would dig a crab lifestyle, 163 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: especially decorator crabs, because decorator crabs are. Yes, they're basically 164 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: like I am small and cute and edible, so I'm 165 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 1: just gonna put a bunch of junk on my bodies 166 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: so nobody notices me, mm hmm. So they decorate themselves. Exactly. 167 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:16,239 Speaker 1: How come it's called decorator crabs and not like defender crabs. 168 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: It's because they're cute, toxic, their their life, their survival 169 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: skills or little arcs and crafts to you scientists, pinterest crabs. Yes, 170 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: so there are at least fifteen species of crabs known 171 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: as decorator crabs, who will pick up junk they find 172 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: from the seat and place it on tiny little vil 173 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: crow like hooks on their bodies. They're literally covered in 174 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: vil crow and so they can just pick that's crazy. 175 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: The hooks are called sete, and sete are just it's 176 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: just a science see word for like hair like bristles. 177 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: So they can basically pick up any kind of seed 178 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: junk that could stick to sort of a sticky vill 179 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: crow thing. Um. They'll use things like kelp, broken bits 180 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: of coral shells, pebbles. Some species of decorator crab even 181 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: choose to attach toxic bits of scrap onto their bodies 182 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: like little an enemies. I said that wrong. Anemonies. That's 183 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: that's a word that does not feel good in my mouth. 184 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: So it's thought that the enemonies may benefit by being 185 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: able to taxi around and find food, while the crab 186 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: benefits from the enemonies toxins. Mm hmm. Wow. That's like 187 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: having like one mean friend. Yeah, It's like they benefit 188 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: because they get access to all the places you go 189 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: because you're nice, but then you benefit when goes down 190 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: and you need to like throw that mean friend at 191 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: the situation. Exactly. It's like your mean friend is always 192 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: sort of strong army in you into driving them around, 193 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: but then we need them to really release some They 194 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: will fight someone for you, they will, right exactly. I 195 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: love that. I love this friendship for them. So decorator 196 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: crabs will use whatever they find in their environment, which 197 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: makes sense because they want to blend in best where 198 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: they are. But that means that if a decorator crab 199 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 1: finds itself near human garbage, it will cover itself in 200 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 1: human garbage. But it's so good. So there are a 201 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: little derrito's bags wandering around the ocean pretty much, pretty 202 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: much so. A crab found near a sump system by 203 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: photographer Michael Bach at a research station was covered in 204 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: little pieces of plastic and netting that was in a 205 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: filter system he had crawled into. So thankfully this wasn't 206 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: like pollution in the ocean. There was like a filtration 207 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: system that was supposed to keep stuff from getting out 208 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: into the ocean, but this little crab got in there. 209 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: It was like great free junk and he put them 210 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: on all on himself. Ones man, one man's trash is 211 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: another decorator crabs. Michael's arts Michaels is like the number 212 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: one generator of just stuff and junk. Like there's I 213 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: feel like in a few if we last a few 214 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: more hundred thousand years, unlikely, but if we do, there's 215 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: just gonna be like a fine sedimentary layer of like 216 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: Michael's stuff like sequin Yeah, fillers, pipe cleaners, yeah, yeah, 217 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: felt eyeballs, those little like weird styrofoam shapes. Yeah. So Unfortunately, 218 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: this habit of wearing human trash is not only found 219 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: with decorator crabs. It is a so found with hermit crabs. 220 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: So hermit crabs will wear trash if they end up 221 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: finding that instead of an adequate seashell. So hermit crabs 222 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: will use the abandoned shells of other marine life rather 223 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: than producing their own shells. And as they grow, they 224 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: need to move into bigger shells, so they're always on 225 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: the hunt for a nice sustainable kings look at them, yeah, 226 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: whatever they have incredible reuse, recycle um literal grain houses 227 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: is what they're doing, right, scuttle reuse, recycle crab life. 228 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: So finding the right size shell is difficult, So if 229 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: they're surrounded by human garbage, they will wear that garbage 230 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: like bottle caps, broken lightbulbs. Uh. This photographer Sean Miller 231 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: captured a bunch of photos of hermit crabs on a 232 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: litter covered beach in Okinawa, and they're just they're with 233 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: their little bottle caps and ran garbage that they're wearing, Like, 234 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: it's no big deal. But if we're not going to 235 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: use it, they should, you know what I mean. Yeah, 236 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: it is like so I'm like, no, We're like, we 237 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: don't need to. We've we've made we're such consumers, we've 238 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: like endowed the consumer lifestyle and the capitalist culture onto crabs. 239 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: They're like they're they're like work pilled. Yeah, they're like, yeah, 240 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: they're going to be shopping at Cole's next. It's it's 241 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: a problem. It's a big problem. Yeah. I mean it 242 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: is a problem though, because trash is I'm the whole 243 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: not helpful for crabs. First of all, it's not an 244 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: ideal home for them. Um. But also there is something 245 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: called a cascade of death that can happen to hermit crabs, 246 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: which I do. I mean, this is bad, but I 247 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: do like the name of it. I love it when 248 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: scientists are just like, this is a cascade of debt death, 249 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: this is a whirlpool of suffering. It's like a scientist 250 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: who didn't get into writing school, right, you know what 251 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: I mean, this is your one shot? Yeah, exactly, So 252 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 1: this cascade of death can happen to hermit crabs. Who 253 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: get stuck inside plastic bottles that they're rooting around in. 254 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: So they can sometimes go inside a plastic or glass 255 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: bottle because they're looking for water. They think maybe it's 256 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: a home, but it turns out just to be a 257 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: big bottle. But then they keep yeah, and they can 258 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: get stuck inside because the sides are so smooth they 259 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: don't get traction with their little hermit crab feet and 260 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: so it's unable to get out, and so it'll die. 261 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: And then it emits a smell that other hermit crabs 262 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: can detect and which lets them know that there's a 263 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: dead hermit crab around. And when other hermit crabs smell that, 264 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: they know there is an available shell. And so yeah, yeah, 265 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: So normally what this means. Normally this means that it's 266 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: just the hermit crab going to the dead hermit crabs 267 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: estate sale, doing a little bit of harmless grave robbing 268 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: and getting a nice new home. M But what happens 269 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: now when they are inside this bottle is that these 270 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: other crabs go in smelling they're like, hey, free home, 271 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: I'm dead smell, and then they get trapped too, and 272 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: then they die, and then another crab smells them, and 273 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: it's just this vicious cycle of crabs dying and sending 274 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: out like I'm dead, now, come take my shell sent 275 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: out to other crabs until these bottles can be like 276 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: full of dead hermit crabs. Okay, how do we do this? 277 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: But with like billionaires just luring immediately, like how can 278 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: we weaponize this? I'm better than other people. Lure them 279 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: into buying social media companies and dunk on them more 280 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: and more. This is the owt that that they're like, 281 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: it's affecting so many hermit crabs makes me so upset. 282 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: It's also like, I don't know, like people are always like, oh, 283 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: like marine life gets trapped, and it's like you don't 284 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: think about the little like insect like creatures to people 285 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,479 Speaker 1: think about like turtles and stuff. It's really like the 286 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: whole the whole food chain is affected. Yeah, it's the 287 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,959 Speaker 1: little guys too. I love hermit crabs. I had a 288 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: pet terrestrial hermit crab um when I was a kid, 289 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: and the best pets, but that makes sense, Yeah, they're 290 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: not great pets. I owe a lot of pets as 291 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: a kid that like as an adult I would advise 292 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: against because partially because it's like they're not great pets, 293 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: and also it's not necessarily the best life for them 294 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: to be manhandled by a child. Your your hermit crab. 295 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: You had that chimp that ate someone's face, talk about anymore, Yeah, 296 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: you had a whole slew of pets, Yeah exactly. Yeah, 297 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: but this this hermit crab did try to eat my face, 298 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: or at least my armpit. It like crawled into my 299 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: armpit one time and then just clamped down really hard 300 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: and I couldn't get it, and it was just it 301 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: sounds like it was very painful. I was conscientious as 302 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: a kid, and I didn't want to like rip it 303 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: off because I was worried I would hurt its little arm. 304 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: So I just was like, well, this is my life now, 305 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: and I had to wait until it decided to let go. 306 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: I just had a hermit crab in my armpit for 307 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: like half an hour. Oh my god, what if you 308 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 1: had like a cascade of death from that, like you 309 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: accidentally and then it died. And then all of a sudden, 310 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 1: all these hermit crabs like appeared out of your apartment. 311 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: And it's like and then it's like someone's like, wow, 312 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: it smells like a bunch of hermit crabs crawled up 313 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: and died in your armpits. I'm like, well about that, 314 00:20:49,080 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: about that, USA, That's why POLIVI. I'm sure we've both 315 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: experienced the feeling of just feeling like crap and sort 316 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: of like, you know, just just dressing like crap, just 317 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: sort of embracing being crapped for a day, you know 318 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: what I mean, similar to this trash theme. Yeah, I 319 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: mean it's like there are days where, like, at least 320 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: for me, I sometimes just like I feel kind of 321 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: crappy and I just go with it. It's like, all right, 322 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: I'm having a crap day. I'm just gonna be crap today. 323 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: That's fine. Well, lots of arthropods also love to be crap. Uh. 324 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: In fact, they're very committed to looking exactly like poop um. 325 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: So this is something that happens in multiple different like 326 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: insects and arthropods, and it is some of them like 327 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: it's yes, it is kind of gross looking, but it's 328 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: also ridiculously elegant evolution. So it's very gross looking. But 329 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: it is like you have to be really good at 330 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: mimicry to do it exactly. I mean, this is it's 331 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: like I don't know. I feel like it's high like 332 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: when in like really high fashion, sometimes they do this 333 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: like disheveled look where it's like, wow, that outfit looks 334 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: like garbage, but it's very fancy and well thought out garbage. 335 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: I guess yeah, it's like the casual look. It's really 336 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: well crafted. Actually right, it's the sloppy bun. I've never 337 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: been able to like, I've never been able to do 338 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: a sloppy bun. Why is a sloppy bun? Okay, but 339 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: a frizzy bun isn't like let me have let me 340 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: be a frizz ball. I come into fashion style. Come on, 341 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: I have extremely frizzy like Girl before the Makeover and 342 00:22:55,640 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: teen movies hair literally literally in middle school. I after, okay, 343 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: I was still sticking with me. This is how much 344 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: it's a like a chip on my shoulder. I went 345 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: to swimming class because we had like gym rotations, and 346 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: one of them was like swim learning how to swim, 347 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: And then afterwards one of my male friends was like, 348 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: you look like the before picture and Rachel looks like 349 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: the after in a shampoo commercial. Oh my god. First 350 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: of all, but I didn't know how to articulate that 351 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: at the time, No, everybody just laughed, and I was like, okay, 352 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: because I didn't have like a voice at that point. 353 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: You know, I was by all these white people in Utah, 354 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: but I was. I literally like in the morning, like 355 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: I won't One thing that I do love about myself 356 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: is that I won't look in the mirror in the 357 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: mornings and I like go walk the dogs and just 358 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: like leave immediately. So no idea what I look like. 359 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: And I'm just like if I tie my hair up, 360 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: it's like first ball fris Ball, Like it's just like 361 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: there's no I can't. I'm not going to put condition 362 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: under my hair when my dog needs to take you 363 00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, big same. I When 364 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: I try to do sloppy bun, I look like a 365 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: Victorian era woman who's been like put in the asylum 366 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: by her husband for speaking her mind. We're lootomy right exactly. 367 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: Um on Sunday's post lobotomy. On Sunday's pre lobotomy. But yeah, 368 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: it's just it doesn't look great. So I feel like 369 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: with the with the like stylish, messy bun, it's something 370 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: that I have to imagine people work at this craft. Similarly, 371 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: the bird poop spiders great segue perfect, So you're so 372 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: gross looking, this is disgusting. They really do look like 373 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: bird poop. So spiders love to pretend to be poop, 374 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: and there are actually many species who do it. So. 375 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: For example, there is the Selenia excavata, or bird dropping spider, 376 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: who lives in Australia and looks literally like a little 377 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: globule of bird poop. It is a splotchy white and 378 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: brown and it's disconcertingly glossy on the white part. It's 379 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: very uncomfortable. Yeah, it looks literally like a bird dropping. Uh. 380 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: They smell like them too. I don't think these ones do. 381 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: There are some bird poop uh imitators who do emit 382 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: a foul odor to really sell it. Um so yeah 383 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: they also Daniel day lewis it. Uh. They method act 384 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: by holding their legs tucked in and staying still to 385 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: really give it that authentic poop performance. And some in 386 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 1: Law and Order as a corpse right now, I would 387 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: love it. Oh my god, if we like lived in 388 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: a magical world where animals, you know, like in the Flintstones, 389 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: where animals were all employed as stuff, and like you 390 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: had to have like bird poop in a movie. So 391 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 1: you cast one of these as the bird poop and 392 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: then you paid them a fair wage. Yeah, I mean, 393 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: I think the most unreal union podcast, right, the most 394 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: unrealistic part of that scenario is someone being paid a 395 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: fair worge. Yeah, we both were like, what a dream 396 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: of fair wage? What a dream? I mean, sentient spiders. 397 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll get there soon. Fair wage not a chance? 398 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: So so yes, Uh, they grow to be about half 399 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: an inch or a little over a cinameter wide. So 400 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: while they're not like super teeny tiny, they're definitely pray 401 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: for birds. So what better way to keep a bird 402 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: from eating you than looking like a piece of poop? Yep, 403 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: So they are hunters as well. They are spiders, and 404 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: they actually go from day to night using a different 405 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 1: kind of mimicry. It's like, day look is poop, night 406 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: look is something else. So, um, I mean, who amongst us, 407 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: you know, when we go out at night look much 408 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: different than the poop look during the day exactly. So 409 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: they hunt for their favorite food at night, which is moths, 410 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: and at night it's not so much that they change 411 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: their appearance, but they definitely put on a deceptive perfume. 412 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: So the bird dropping spider releases a pheromone that mimics 413 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: that of a female moth. So the horny male moths 414 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: will come right up to the spider who smells like 415 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: a sexy female, and then the spider eats the male. 416 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: I think the female moths are in on it. I 417 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: think there are ones who are like, They're like, here, 418 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: take this perfume and then murder my husband. Yeah. I think, yeah, 419 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: like this, this male moth just made fun of my antenna. 420 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: Here's some perfume. Do what you will. This is like 421 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: the Chicago movie Music, but moth and birth. I would 422 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: I would definitely pay to see an insect version of Chicago. Yeah, 423 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: can you like Katherine Sada Jones is like a spider. 424 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: That'd be great. Yeah. So yeah, it goes from being 425 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: a piece of poop during the day to a fem 426 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: fatale at night, which I love. It's what we all 427 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 1: dream of. Hell yeah, so there are many other spiders 428 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: and insects who use the poop defense. So, uh, one 429 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: other type of insect. I want to talk about our moths. 430 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: So the You'drea is book You'd Rise? I have no 431 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: Oh my god, You'd Raise you'd raise Grata moths a 432 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: k a. Beautiful wood nymphs found in the US have white, brown, 433 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: black and green splotches on their wings, and when their 434 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: wings are actually wide open, they're quite lovely. They look 435 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: like pretty moths. They don't look like anything gross or strange. 436 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: But when they fold their wings and they splay out 437 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: their front legs, so their front legs are kind of fuzzy, 438 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: like covered in like white fuzz, which is cute. But 439 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: when they like splay them out and fold their wings up, 440 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: they look like a bird poops bladder. It's because it 441 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: goes from white to like slightly green to brown. It 442 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: looks like how a bird poop like crusts over. Yes, 443 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: So when they're like folded up like that, it looks 444 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: like a drip of bird poop in like the positioning 445 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: and then also in like the gradient. But then when 446 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: they're open they look so pretty. Yeah. I love that. 447 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: I love that they can transform from pretty moth to like, nope, 448 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: I am a splatter of nasty, crusty bird. Do do 449 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: moths contain multitudes? Indeed? And uh, there's another moth known 450 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: as macro silics I found in Malaysia and they are 451 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: perhaps the most impressive bird dropping mimics. Uh. Their wings 452 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: actually feature an entire painting not only of splattered bird poop, 453 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: but what seems to be a couple of flies eating 454 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: the poop. Oh my god, holyh that looks crazy, right. 455 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: It looks like a cartoon, like somebody drew it. Yeah. 456 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: But also the bird poop also looks like a penis 457 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: part of it, because it's like symmetricals right, so like 458 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: when they pulled it right bo and penis coming up 459 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: along the spine. It's it's the first known of mimicry 460 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: and pornography. So not much is known about why this 461 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: moth has this impressive mimicry, but it is likely it's 462 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: to ward off predators who are not particularly interested in 463 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: a bunch of bird poop and a couple of flies 464 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: eating that bird poop. Do you think flies get tricked 465 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: by it too? You know what? I bet they do. 466 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: I bet they like go up to this moth's ass 467 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, what's going on here? And they 468 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: wanted to smell? Right, It's just not it's not working 469 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: out for them, it is, I really, there's like, not 470 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,479 Speaker 1: surprisingly not that much research on these things. And I 471 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: really want there to be more because this is so 472 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: it's so ridiculous. Like you can see the outline of 473 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: the flies, you can see their little red heads, you 474 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: can see sort of different segments of their bodies. It's 475 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: crazy like it it literally looks like a cartoon, like 476 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: it's filed. Do you think there are other moths that 477 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: we haven't discovered with like other things on their wings 478 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: that would make you a verse to coming up to them, 479 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: Like a moth with a a drunk bachelor rep party 480 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: scene on their wings, like, you know, like a moth 481 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: with a red maga hat, right, a moth with the 482 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: guy doing street magic. Yeah, I think I think definitely 483 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: there are moths like that out there. Um, we have 484 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: to we have to do the research to find them 485 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: right exactly. That would probably be like that would be 486 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: my choice for like like if we could wear camouflage 487 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: city camouflage. That's just like things that would keep you 488 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: away from you, Like, oh, if you just wear this 489 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: is mean because I do like green peace. But if 490 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: you wear like a sweater sweatshirt with green peace on it, 491 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: people help clipboard and have a clipboard, people will leave 492 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: you alone because everyone like dodges out of the way. 493 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: But then there's like that one weirdo who really wants 494 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: to talk about it, and then you're the mark, you 495 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean, right, And then that and that 496 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: weirdo is me. It was me the whole time. I 497 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: think that's a view and me discovering that we have 498 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: the ability to wear whatever we want, you know, right. 499 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: I think that's full episode, and that's being like, let's 500 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: take inspiration from these insects and yeah, express ourselves time 501 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: we want to express our though. Yeah, I mean if 502 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: I wear a shirt with a bunch of bird duty 503 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: printed on it, then I can get pooped on by 504 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: a birden it won't make a difference. Yeah, that sounds 505 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: like a Mentos commercial. Actually, it's like like remember the 506 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: one where he like he sits down on like a 507 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: painted bench and he's like, oh no, and then he 508 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: makes this striped suit out of oh oh yeah, that 509 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: was like a really old one from Yeah, that's that 510 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: one all the time, because it's like in my memory, yes, 511 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: like a Mentos you sit on bird poop and there's 512 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: a bunch of like just a bird poop covered bench 513 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh man, I got bird poop and 514 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: then you roll around and then someone's like nice Jackson Pollock. Yeah, 515 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: I think we figured out fashion. We figured it out 516 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: packing in Milan, packing in Paris. We've got the fat, 517 00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: the fashion down. The fashion is bird crap. So mimicry, 518 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: animal mimicry exactly. So before we go, we've got to 519 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: play a little game called the Mystery Animal sound game 520 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: or yes, Who's squawking? Every week I play a mystery 521 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: animal sound and you the listener, and you the guests, 522 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: try to guess who's squawking. The rules is it's any animal, 523 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,720 Speaker 1: and I give you a little hint. Uh. Some weeks 524 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: it's very tricky. Some weeks it's maybe less tricky. I 525 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: don't know. Usually it's quite tricky, and this one is 526 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: no exception. Uh. So last week's mystery animal sound hint 527 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: was this. It says, if this little guy has stolen 528 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: the voice of another animal, So did you get that 529 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,720 Speaker 1: little bim baby baby. Yeah, so it sounds like a bird, 530 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: but that makes me think it's not a b bird, 531 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: because you're saying it's stole the voice of another animal. 532 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 1: So it makes me think it's like like some sort 533 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: of insect, like a cricket or something to pretend like 534 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: it's a bird. Interesting, very interesting logic. Well, you're definitely 535 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: on the right track. There is that, your final guests, Yes, 536 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: so you are very close. You're right that this is 537 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: not a bird and it's something that sounds like a bird, 538 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,240 Speaker 1: but it's not an insect. This is actually a tree frog. 539 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: So this is yes, this is the bird voiced tree frog. 540 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: That's its name. Just bird voice tree frogs. Okay. Sometimes 541 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: we get names like cascade of Death and sometimes we 542 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: get bird voice tree frogs. Sometimes yeah, sometimes it's like 543 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: turtle who is green and also brown and knows his 544 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: pointy Yeah, and we clearly know who double major in 545 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: English major like. So, the bird voice tree frog is 546 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: found in swamps, wet and forests in the United States. 547 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: It is a small green and gray frog who spends 548 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: almost all of its life in the trees. It really 549 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: only leaves the safety of the trees to mate and 550 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: lay their eggs. And what you have just heard is 551 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: the call of the male, and like bird's song, it 552 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: is used to track females. So it's interesting because it 553 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 1: sounds similar to bird's song and it's used in essentially 554 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: the same way. So you know, little frog has big 555 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: bird dreams. Yeah. I love that it's like raised by birds. 556 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: Do you remember remember that book Stella Luna about the 557 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: bat ah Man. It was such a good It was 558 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,800 Speaker 1: a children's book about this bat raised by birds because 559 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: it like got lost separated from its mom and landed 560 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: in like a bird's nest and it tried to like 561 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: sit up straight and like eat bugs and do all 562 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: these bird things, but it was having struggling really hard. 563 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: And then find it's like mom finds it again, and 564 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: then it gets to live the bat life and eat fruit. 565 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 1: It's a great book, very cute. But yeah, I like 566 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: to think that this frog got like raised by birds 567 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: once and it's like pass this information on to the 568 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: other frogs of hey, guys, this is actually pretty cool. 569 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: Now they're all doing it all right, Onto this week's 570 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: mystery animal. Sound. The hint is whoever named this animal 571 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 1: was being a bit judgmental. It feels kind of like 572 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: you're in Jurassic Park, right, Yeah, that was weird. So 573 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 1: there's multiple of them, and they did it in a 574 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: way that sounded like a pack or something, but it 575 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: also a kind of bird like mm hmm, infusing. I 576 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 1: think when you said it was judgmental. I feel like 577 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: that there's gonna be something in the name that's like 578 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 1: like mean about how it sounds like this, like this, 579 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:21,800 Speaker 1: this shrill something, the stupid, the nagging, the stupid voiced goat. Yeah, 580 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:28,239 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting. So you got any guesses? Um? Yeah, 581 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: I want to go with them the I think Oh 582 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:36,959 Speaker 1: so for a type of animal? Oh god, now, because 583 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 1: the other one was a frog, I'm like, are these 584 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: like some weird like box or h Well, foxes are 585 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,439 Speaker 1: more on their own, right, m I'm wondering if it's 586 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: some sort of like mammalian thing instead of like a 587 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: bird or something interesting interesting thing. Yeah, my face, my 588 00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: face is a is a mask of complete neutrality. Yeah, 589 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 1: I guess we'll have to tune in to find out. 590 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 1: We will have to tune in to find out next 591 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 1: Creature Feature or I will reveal to you who this 592 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: mystery squawker is. 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