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Speaker 1: Cody. Good to see buddy. You too, man, You just

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Speaker 1: had a boy?

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Speaker 2: Did Yeah?

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Speaker 1: He had two girls? You want a boy, were you?

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Speaker 2: I mean, like I think every dad wants a boy.

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Speaker 2: I mean I did. But then like eleven years ago,

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Speaker 2: we had Clara and that was the coolest thing in

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Speaker 2: like two years later we had Corey, and so I've

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Speaker 2: been a girl dad like this whole time. And so

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Speaker 2: when we found out that Brandy was pregnant, it was

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Speaker 2: one of those in the back of your mind, You're like,

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Speaker 2: what if I get my little boy? And I actually

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Speaker 2: got the test results to give to her.

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Speaker 1: How did you get those?

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Speaker 2: We did that blood test thing and it went into

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Speaker 2: my email and I'm sitting there just in suspense, and

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Speaker 2: everything turns blue.

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Speaker 1: Wait did you open it? Before she was even around.

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Speaker 2: She was sitting across from me in the living ro.

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Speaker 1: Oh, she wanted you to You didn't just get it?

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Speaker 2: And no, I was like, I want to be the one.

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Speaker 2: And it turned blue and I went, oh, my gosh,

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Speaker 2: I'm getting my boy. But even then I was like,

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Speaker 2: it's still probably gonna wind up being a girl. It

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Speaker 2: was just the test was wrong.

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Speaker 1: But that's great. My wife's about to have a baby.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Like what do I need to prepare for, like day

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Speaker 1: of like when it happens? Do you have any good

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Speaker 2: Okay? So with the girls, it was a little different

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Speaker 2: So it was like scary. Everything freaked me out, you know,

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Speaker 2: even getting to the hospital. Why are y'all doing this?

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Speaker 2: Why are you not doing this?

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Speaker 1: I am right now?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, you don't have to be that way. With

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Speaker 2: jac when he was born, she walked into the other

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Speaker 2: And I come running into the room and she said,

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Speaker 2: my water broke, And I said, are you sure? The

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Speaker 2: reason I said are you sure? Is because with Corey,

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Speaker 2: have another accident. No where water broke, and I very

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Speaker 2: calmly got everything together and figured out that her Cadillac

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Speaker 2: Diecil Escalade tops out at one twenty four, three o'clock

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Speaker 2: so we just zoomed over and you can make it

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Speaker 2: as stressful as you want it to be. But man,

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Speaker 2: just my only advice is like, just have faith in

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Speaker 2: there for her, Like is this really not about us

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Speaker 2: as dads. It's about them. It can be about us later,

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Speaker 2: But I think the more calm you are, the more

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Speaker 2: calm she is. Like, get a good playlist, like saw.

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Speaker 1: I was already doing that and I was building in.

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Speaker 1: I was doing like some Counting Crows and she was like,

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Speaker 1: this is not your music.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, her input went be good on it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, man, congratulations, thank that's great. How's your voice good?

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Speaker 2: I've actually, you know, I know you're probably gonna get

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Speaker 2: my ear drum last year, and it's scary. You know,

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Speaker 2: I was home for when my son was born, which

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Speaker 2: I probably wouldn't have been, so I was very thankful

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Speaker 1: So what happened to your ear? Exactly?

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Speaker 2: So they call it a diver's burst because I had

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Speaker 2: blew like forty percent of it. And what made matters

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Speaker 2: She said during surgery, they drained so much sinus stuff

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Speaker 1: So what did that feel like when it happened.

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Speaker 2: It's just weird. It's just like a pop and then

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Speaker 2: I can't hear anything out of that ear for a minute,

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Speaker 2: He's like, it's not as bad. She's like, I've seen

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Speaker 2: But given that you know your occupation, you should probably

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Speaker 1: Did you try to sing it all with, even just

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Speaker 2: I waited till kind of like after the surgery, for

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Speaker 2: I would like go by myself, getting the ranch truck

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Speaker 2: like one day I was singing and I just happened

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Speaker 1: Wa worried that you may not be?

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Speaker 2: Was that ever? I thought, there's always that thought, man,

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Speaker 2: And you know, it's kind of like back to what

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Speaker 2: going to stop singing and you're gonna stop playing music? No,

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Speaker 2: so get over it. Be patient, which is the hardest

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can tell that here is huge. It's it's

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Speaker 1: Steiner just got the massive ear. Did you watch wrestling.

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Speaker 2: As a kid, No, I didn't.

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Speaker 1: You weren't a wrestling watcher. No, I say that I was.

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Speaker 2: I was bull riders, man, I was riding bulls.

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Speaker 1: How the heck did you start singing then? Because usually

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Speaker 2: Man, I you know I think that like everybody on

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Speaker 2: my family, like everybody on both sides of my family,

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Speaker 2: I should say, oh my mom and dads. Everybody sang,

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Speaker 2: I don't read music. I don't. I can't read like

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Speaker 2: Nashville number charts and I don't read any of that.

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Speaker 2: It's all just ear and just kind of natural ability.

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Speaker 2: But like singing and performing, man, it was, it's just

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Speaker 2: like I it's just in my veins. It's something that

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Speaker 2: I have to get out. I have to. I love

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Speaker 1: Where did you do it first?

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Speaker 2: Church?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Man? Like four or five? Don't yeah, Like I

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Speaker 1: I would sing in the choir at church? Is that

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Speaker 1: what you did at first? When did you start doing solos? Like?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so my parents made me learn all the harmony

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Speaker 1: Kid, Yeah, you had to learn how to sing harmon?

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Speaker 2: Was doing it like yeah, like my ear though. It

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Speaker 2: They're like, okay, well we'll let you sing lead. And

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Speaker 2: that was kind of the turning point of I'm the

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Speaker 1: Do you still have that talent to find harmonies?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I love singing harmonies.

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Speaker 1: It's like if I went, yeah, you say, could you

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Speaker 1: find the harmony of that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well who vinsl like what you're I mean, so

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Speaker 2: let me let me say this. Okay, there are yes,

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Speaker 2: I'm really good at it. Okay, but there are people

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Speaker 2: and be like, man, that's really good, and then hear

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Speaker 2: them do it, and I'm like, Okay, you're You're a

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Speaker 2: lot better than I am. I think I've kind of

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Speaker 1: You don't want to chase my bad, my bad lead

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Speaker 1: with a harmony. That's why you say.

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Speaker 2: Didn't say that. I didn't say that. You just didn't

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Speaker 1: That's okay, that's okay. So you enjoy singing in church,

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Speaker 1: that's the first like real fulfilment you find from performing.

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Speaker 1: When does that start to go? I think I want

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Speaker 1: to do this more than just church.

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Speaker 2: The night I snuck out of my parents' house to

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Speaker 2: I had three? And after I got my whipping, he said,

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Speaker 2: But then like, okay, so you leave from that period

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Speaker 1: It's so cool that your ag teacher saw something in

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Speaker 2: And eventually it kind of faded over into my work

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Speaker 2: It's not like I'm playing ninety minutes in an arena.

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Speaker 2: And it was a bar life, and it was, you know,

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Speaker 2: least pursue it and find out whether or not you

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Speaker 2: So I did with no plan B and never looked back.

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Speaker 1: That's the second person that wasn't in music, that had

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Speaker 2: Well, And I think that came from like a lack

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Speaker 2: Like do you not hear.

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Speaker 1: Did you not feel like you were knocking out of

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Speaker 2: I think it was just new. It was a newness

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Speaker 2: of you know, it took me a lot of years

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Speaker 2: Give them to me. You'all better watch out because here

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Speaker 2: I come. That guy I'm thirty eight years old, has

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Speaker 2: in a lot of ways, you know, because this industry

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Speaker 1: I just watched this show called The Night Of and

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Speaker 1: to prison, it's about what happens in prison. You worked

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Speaker 1: in prison. What happens in prison? Like has a prison guard?

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Speaker 1: Are you scared all the time? Do you make buddies

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Speaker 2: No? And no, you it's just a different culture. It's

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know where you're gonna get shanked at

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Speaker 2: I mean yeah, but I mean I kind of grew

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Speaker 2: and it's a constant riot and fight like they kind of.

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Speaker 1: That's what I feel like nice on TV, like you

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Speaker 2: No, it can be very monotonous because these guys are

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Speaker 2: I've been through some some things that you know, I've

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Speaker 2: seen a lot of things, but it wasn't just like

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Speaker 2: me a lot about life, about discernment, about walking into

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Speaker 2: I put on a persona on stage of being a

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Speaker 2: very nice guy, but you know, at my core. I

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Speaker 2: know that I have that too. I'm not the guy

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Speaker 2: you could back into the corner.

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Speaker 1: You're probably pretty intimidated when I'm around then, Huh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I expect that hard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the aspiring musician who finally gets an interview with

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Speaker 2: Bobby Bona. That's not intimidating at all.

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of family it's been in prison,

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Speaker 1: Like pretty much all my family's been in prison. And

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Speaker 1: what would be crazy to me is when I like.

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Speaker 2: Like in prison, oh yeah, yeah, me too.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like the not worked like I always made

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Speaker 2: Half of them work there, living.

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Speaker 1: There and so and there's one doing life right now.

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Speaker 1: There's another that just got out pretty recently. A lot

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Speaker 1: it would always be crazy to me how there would

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Speaker 2: In prison, dirty bosses, man.

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Speaker 1: So it's either they snuck it into their butt or

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Speaker 2: Somebody did or like a mouth to it, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Or a guard or somebody took it in like and

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Speaker 1: it's just you just know somebody it's.

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Speaker 2: Home culture like inside the prison does not beat to

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Speaker 2: the drone of the outside world. Like they're not watching

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Speaker 2: the news and caring about what protests or what riots

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Speaker 2: or what you know, COVID or anything like that. It's

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Speaker 2: just it's there. They're in their own subculture, and you know,

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Speaker 2: a lot of it's pretty amazing actually to see the

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Speaker 2: ingenuity of some of these people and the talent, the

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Speaker 2: sheer raw talent that is locked up and you're like, man,

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Speaker 2: what a waste.

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Speaker 1: You know, Like a guy makes a full DVD player

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Speaker 1: out of a piece of bologney and a hanger, and

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Speaker 1: you're like, dude, if you use this out.

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Speaker 2: Here, he'd be a Millionaireboys.

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Speaker 1: When were you able to pay your bills by doing music?

439
00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,240
Speaker 2: Man? So I took off on a wing and a prayer.

440
00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,480
Speaker 2: I actually still owned the truck that I bought. It

441
00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,680
Speaker 2: was the first truck I'd ever bought new and paid off.

442
00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,480
Speaker 2: It was a quad cab GMC and six guys in

443
00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,280
Speaker 2: a in a truck with a trailer and very minimal

444
00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,240
Speaker 2: gear and went and played anywhere and everywhere. They would

445
00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,000
Speaker 2: let us play for three hours for one hundred dollars

446
00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,600
Speaker 2: a man, and we counted the truck as one of

447
00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,280
Speaker 2: the band members, so we'd have gas.

448
00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,760
Speaker 1: And that man's got to eat too, that man that

449
00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:08,359
Speaker 1: man ate a lot.

450
00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,560
Speaker 2: I still have the truck. I put a flat bed

451
00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:12,920
Speaker 2: on it with a hay forks and we call it

452
00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:14,760
Speaker 2: the ranch truck, and I'd drive it most of the time,

453
00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,119
Speaker 2: just because I spent so many hours in it. But

454
00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,240
Speaker 2: my wife, Brandy, she was my fiance at the time.

455
00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,359
Speaker 2: She was going to school doing online classes and some

456
00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,600
Speaker 2: classes at a junior college. And she quit going to

457
00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,080
Speaker 2: school and took two really crappy jobs. Well, I went

458
00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,320
Speaker 2: out and played bars and stayed gone for a month.

459
00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,359
Speaker 2: And I have no clue how she stayed married to me,

460
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:40,000
Speaker 2: but she did. And eventually it was the It was

461
00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,000
Speaker 2: the first year we were gonna headline what we call

462
00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,119
Speaker 2: the Big Tent in Steamboat Springs, Colorado at music Fest.

463
00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,480
Speaker 2: And I told her before I left, I said, I

464
00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,080
Speaker 2: want you to quit your job. And she's like, are

465
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,920
Speaker 2: you serious, And I said, yeah, I want you to

466
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,240
Speaker 2: go with me to Steamboat quit your job, Like I'm

467
00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,439
Speaker 2: making enough now to where we can afford to pay bills.

468
00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,399
Speaker 2: But that's all we were made, was just enough to

469
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,400
Speaker 2: pay our bills. So it was kind of another leap

470
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:08,720
Speaker 2: of faith. And you know, really it wasn't until about

471
00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,640
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen to where like, okay, we're getting

472
00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 2: pretty stable. You know, we're growing our band, we're growing

473
00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,600
Speaker 2: our crew. In twenty seventeen, when I played Houston Rodeo

474
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,119
Speaker 2: for the first time, that's when the gasoline kind of

475
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,200
Speaker 2: got thrown on the fire.

476
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,159
Speaker 1: That had to be awesome. Oh yeah, like really a

477
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,280
Speaker 1: career high, like the first Still, I'm sure it's awesome

478
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,120
Speaker 1: you're doing it again. You're doing it again because that's

479
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 1: such a massive show. But also it's kind of like

480
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,440
Speaker 1: what you're about, Yeah, and to be able to headline

481
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,040
Speaker 1: that massive show. Tell me about the first time you

482
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,120
Speaker 1: headline and you played the Houston Radio.

483
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,960
Speaker 2: Well, it was u it was the day after or

484
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 2: it was two days after, like the worst day of

485
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,000
Speaker 2: my life. Like I'm not going to go into it

486
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:57,240
Speaker 2: very deeply, just out of respect, but my brother was

487
00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 2: in a very precarious situ and you know, I'm sure

488
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 2: you can probably relate after hearing some you know, your

489
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,920
Speaker 2: perspective on some of your family members and uh, really

490
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 2: bad spot. And I was in San Antonio trying to,

491
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 2: you know, kind of beg and plead of please change

492
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 2: you know, your life, and you know this is not

493
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 2: going to work, and you know I'm begging you, please

494
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 2: let me help you. And it didn't turn out the

495
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,920
Speaker 2: way that I wanted it to, and looking back for him,

496
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 2: he probably not the way he wanted it to either.

497
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 2: So I'm in my truck and I'm just in tears

498
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 2: driving home and Howie Edelman, my manager, calls and says, hey,

499
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 2: we just got the call to replace Old Dominion because

500
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 2: they had to bow out for I think the family

501
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 2: member had gotten sick or passed away or something. And

502
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 2: I wanted to know if he's like, here's what they

503
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 2: offered us to headline Houston, and I'm again I'm in

504
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 2: my heart's broken for the situation I have going on

505
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 2: with my family, and I'm crying and I'm like, yeah,

506
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 2: it sounds good, and he's like, I'm going to counter

507
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 2: off him, and I remember having the phone and I

508
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 2: went like, why would you counter offer? He's cause I

509
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 2: think you're worth more. And they took the counter offer

510
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 2: and I said, how many days do we have to

511
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 2: get ready? He said two days? And we sold sixty

512
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 2: eight thousand tickets in two days. Wow. And I think

513
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 2: that was the moment where I went bring it on,

514
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 2: like that was the let's go, Yeah, let's go. And

515
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 2: I remember talking to my band that night before we

516
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 2: went on stage, and I said, tonight is the night

517
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 2: where we all prove that we are worthy of being here.

518
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 2: We proved tonight this is not a gig, this is

519
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 2: not a show. Tonight is proof to the world that

520
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 2: me and my band deserve to be on a stage

521
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 2: of this caliber. And it was electric. I mean I

522
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 2: rode that horse out at the end. That was back

523
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 2: when they had the circle stage. Now it's this big

524
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 2: star with the elevated points and all this, and there's

525
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 2: so much wire, you know, cables and stuff you can't

526
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,439
Speaker 2: ride around. But back then it was just open arena.

527
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 2: And I kicked that horse and both of my feet

528
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 2: came out of the stirrups and he and I just

529
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 2: remember thinking, I'm not bucking off now, I'm not bucking

530
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 2: off ever, like, let's go, and I just started kicking

531
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,439
Speaker 2: him in the faster and faster we went, you know,

532
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 2: all the way around this thing, and I rode out

533
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 2: and I didn't even have my feet in the stirrups,

534
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 2: And I thought, you, that's a pretty good metaphor for

535
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 2: looking back for the way things have been ever since.

536
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: These guys in your band, who's been with you a

537
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: long time?

538
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 2: Man, you know, Jody is my longest standing band member

539
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: who plays fiddling, guitars, sings harmonies. I think he's going

540
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 2: on sixteen years. Nooe, he's outside, the guy with the

541
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: big beard, about the same amount of time. Joey, my

542
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 2: bass player, about the same amount of time. Miles came

543
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 2: along my drummer after that, working on like fifteen years.

544
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,199
Speaker 2: Jake's been here for over I think he's close to

545
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 2: twelve years my guitar player, and Harrison's getting close to

546
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 2: ten years, my steel player. And Seth was actually selling

547
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 2: merch for us before we moved him to piano because

548
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 2: this asshole didn't tell me how good he was on

549
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 2: the piano. And yeah, I'm like, dude, you're gonna make

550
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 2: a way better salary and it's a lot cooler than

551
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 2: slinging cotton at the merch booth. You know, how did

552
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: you find out he could play well, we recorded The

553
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 2: Painter and we were overseas opening for Luke Combs on

554
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 2: our Australia and New Zealand tour, and I was like, man,

555
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 2: there's just so much piano in the Painter, like we've

556
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 2: got we've got to find a piano player. And he

557
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 2: just nonchalantly says, I played piano. I'm like, what do

558
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: you mean you play piano. He's like, well, I don't

559
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: like play, but I can. I can play it. I'm like,

560
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 2: show me. And so we go to Luke's keys player

561
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: and get his keyboard and he starts playing and I'm like,

562
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 2: when were you going to bring this up? He's like

563
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 2: I was just trying not to be too intrusive, you know,

564
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 2: but I overheard you. And two nights later he was

565
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: on stage with us so and he's been he's one

566
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 2: of the baddest cats in town.

567
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: That's a cool story. I remember when Luke Combs announced

568
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 1: that tour. How did it feel? Because again, you're a

569
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: guy who can do like you said sixty eight thousand,

570
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: You're playing all these big shows and then it's like, hey,

571
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: come out and be main support. Was that I don't know,

572
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: was that you had to swallow a little bit to

573
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: do that.

574
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 2: No, no, no, man, I I have nothing but respect

575
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 2: for Luke. And I've been opening for Luke Colmbs since

576
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 2: he was playing tennis courts and like, what do you

577
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 2: mean by that? Like he played a tennis court. Where

578
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: was South Carolina? He played a tennis court and it

579
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 2: was like six thousand people, Like it wasn't a huge show.

580
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 2: And of course he was blowing up at the time.

581
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 2: But I think real respects real. And whenever I saw

582
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 2: Luke for the first time, I went, that's that's real.

583
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 2: The way he handles his camp, the way he handles

584
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: his finances, the way he records his records, the content

585
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 2: that he's putting out. I had a lot of respect,

586
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 2: and so you just tip your hat and say, I

587
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 2: can get with that, buddy. And he's opened a lot

588
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: of doors for me. Like I said, we went from

589
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: opening from him or opening for him, from tennis courts

590
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 2: and pavilions to stadiums. You know. And I'm not a

591
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 2: coketail writer, but whenever a good friend of that many

592
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: years says, hey, do you want to go be direct

593
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: support for me overseas? You say, hell, yes I do.

594
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: And what did I do? The very next year I

595
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 2: went back, or two years later, I went back in

596
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 2: headline my own tour and sold everything out but Auckland,

597
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: New Zealand. But Luke didn't sell out Auckland, New Zealand either.

598
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: So I feel like whenever you were playing the shows

599
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: with Luke overseas, and did you you did some football

600
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: stadiums here too, right with them? Yeah, I feel like

601
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: you also gave him credibility. I can see that, Like,

602
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: because I love Luke and I's known Luke for a

603
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 1: long time. But whenever he's like, hey, Cody Johnson's coming

604
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: out with me, I went, oh, Cody's playing with Luke.

605
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: If Cody thinks Luke is legit, then I for sure

606
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: know I already knew, but I for sure knew that

607
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: Luke was legit.

608
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: But like, there's two perspectives. So like, and I've told

609
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 2: Luke this, I've told this to a lot of people.

610
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: My job as the opener is to not be seen

611
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 2: or heard, get on the stage, do your job to

612
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 2: the tee, and get out of the way.

613
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: Because you aren't the opener. I think it's unfair to

614
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: say opener.

615
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 2: But on the same coin, if you flip it over

616
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 2: my job as the opener is to try to kick

617
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 2: your ass.

618
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I used to he weren't the opener, you

619
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: were main support right before him.

620
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 2: But what you said about Luke matches what I just said.

621
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,719
Speaker 2: At first, he knows, yeah, I'm coming out yeah to

622
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: try to mop the floor, and all it did was

623
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: elevate their game. And there he's like, dude, I love

624
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: having you open because it just pushes us to a

625
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,959
Speaker 2: different level of knowing, Hey, if we're going to follow that,

626
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: we better gear it up. And I'm like, that's a

627
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: that's a very high compliment from from him.

628
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: I remember when Kenny did some shows and put Zack

629
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: Brown right before him. This is the last It's like,

630
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna put Zach Brown in front of you and

631
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I think it made me, makes me better.

632
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: And so that also, it just says a lot about

633
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: both of you guys that he would do that and

634
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: that you would also do that. I think it shows

635
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: that both of you respect each other, because I remember

636
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: when you were on the show and I was like, dang,

637
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: I Cody Johnson respects Luke like he's not going to

638
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: respect Luke Combs. If Cody Johnson's like going, that's the

639
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: dude right there.

640
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 2: That's cool. What else do you.

641
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: Look at as a live performing You go respect, man.

642
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: I'll never forget the first time uh we played the

643
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: played the Gorge and Washington say yeah, and it was

644
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 2: like Zach Brown Band, and then it was Brothers Osbourne

645
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: and then us and I sat and watched Zach Brown Band,

646
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 2: and then I'm watching brother Osbourne and I like, I

647
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,479
Speaker 2: pulled my whole band into a room. It was like,

648
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 2: did anybody else catch all that tonight will either be

649
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 2: the best show you've ever played or the last show

650
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 2: we've ever played. Like it's it's life or death tonight

651
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: and we lit it on fire. But it's like you

652
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 2: have that when you see that, you're like when I

653
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: say out to kick your ass, it's not what it's about.

654
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 2: It's about what you said. It's about respect. But you're

655
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: always trying to one up, And I think what it

656
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 2: really boils down to is trying to one up yourself

657
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: knowing that I can step on that stage after that

658
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 2: great of performance and still make that crowd melt in

659
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 2: your hand. You know. Yeah.

660
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: One of the best concepts I've ever been to is

661
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: Zach Brown Band, one of the best bands I've ever

662
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: seen plays Frank your brothers Osborne, I agree like both

663
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: of them in their own ways. Are they light the

664
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: place on fire?

665
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: Yes? And it's like this not tangible thing that's floating

666
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: around in the air. It just gives you this energy.

667
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: You're like, Wow, this is we're watching magic. Yeah.

668
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: What's the best concert you think you've ever been to?

669
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: Like one that you think back to and it either

670
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: lit you up in a way to go that's inspiring

671
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: for what I do, or just something that you were

672
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: able to take in and go. Man, I can appreciate

673
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: this so much because of you know what I do

674
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: every day.

675
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: One of the first concerts I ever witnessed was Billy

676
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: Joe Shaver played in Huntsville, Texas, and I walked in

677
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: and he screamed, Uh, if you don't love Jesus, you

678
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: can go to Hell. And I thought that was funny

679
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: because we're in this barroom, you know, And he kicked

680
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: off into Georgia on a fast train. I'll Brandon George

681
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: on Honey, I wasn't bawn over yesterday. And he's good

682
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: Christian reason and he's doing all this and this barroom

683
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: is just lit up man, and it is just like

684
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: there's beer cans flying in the air and it's I

685
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: was like, this is really quick. I just watched this

686
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 2: old man at the time throw gasoline on this fire

687
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: in this barroom and this place was just electric. And

688
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm like it influenced me. This is something

689
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: interesting that I've never really told anybody that you might

690
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: find interesting. I never saw tapes of Chris Lado growing up.

691
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: I always listened to his music. Being a rodeo guy,

692
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: that was kind of what we listened to going down

693
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: the road. I never saw performances of him and about

694
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: I guess it was four or five years ago. Ned Ludue,

695
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: his son who's become a good friend over the years,

696
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: says I want you to watch something, and he pulls

697
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 2: out his phone. He said, this is Dad playing it

698
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 2: wherever and he pushes play and I'm watching it and

699
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: I go, oh, and I'm watching myself. And he said,

700
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: did you watch Dad growing up? I said no. He

701
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: said that blows my mind. He said, because every time

702
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 2: I've watched you perform, I see little bits of my

703
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: dad on stage with you. And maybe it was because

704
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: Garth Brooks. I don't want to say tried to copycat Chris,

705
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: but he took a lot from Chris. And I saw

706
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: Garth and somehow made it my own, but my mannerisms

707
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: on stage leaned more towards Chris LDO. And I just

708
00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: always thought that was interesting, the fact that I know

709
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: ever saw it, but it just emphatically comes out every night.

710
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: You know, did you listen to Garth much as a kid?

711
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, And I listened to everything. Like I was

712
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 2: very eclectic growing up. Everything from rock to rap to

713
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: R and B to blues to gospel and country was

714
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: kind of my main thing. Like I tried. I really

715
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: wanted to sound like Glenn Campbell. I wanted to write

716
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: songs like Merle Haggard. I wanted to be a cowboy

717
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: like George Strait, but I wanted to fly in from

718
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: the rafters like Garth Brooks. And you know, it was

719
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: there was all these different influential people that kind of

720
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: I found myself through all of them. Figure out what,

721
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: Like where's where's Cody in this? You know, where does

722
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: Cody fit? Yes? I can hang with boys to men

723
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: and I can sing that style of music, but like

724
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: where does that relate? I can sing like a rocker,

725
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 2: But where does that relate to what I am? And

726
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 2: I think that through my records, especially this record that

727
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: I'm working on right now. You hear that, you're like,

728
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: oh my god, that was that was Motown right there,

729
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: or that was straight Southern gospel, or like, whoa, that

730
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: note right there sounded like it stepped out of an

731
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,719
Speaker 2: ac DC song, you know. But like I'm starting to,

732
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: I think the older I'm getting in, the more wisdom

733
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: I'm attaining in the studio and on the road with

734
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: my band, I'm just finding myself more and more every year.

735
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: It's got to be hard whenever you're touring so much

736
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: from eighteen nineteen, twenty three, twenty five to go to shows,

737
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: because you've been spending probably every Thursday, Friday, Saturday night

738
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: for the most part, doing it, not seeing it so much.

739
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: Did you ever go to a Garth show?

740
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: But I remember being a kid when he played live

741
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: in Central Park and I was twelve inches from the TV,

742
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: just eyes wide open, watching this concert and couldn't believe it.

743
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: There were people watching a screen on the other side

744
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: of the Yeah, there were.

745
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: People there, people saw the stage. Yeah, over a million

746
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: people there.

747
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: And I was like, that moment in time changed something

748
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: for me.

749
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: I saw him once, now I've seen him multiple times.

750
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: I opened form at a football stadium once. It was

751
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: the craziest thing, and he was so cool that he

752
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: plays in the round and we were I was main

753
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: support for Garth and I was just doing my comedy music.

754
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: But he was like, come open. Played Razorback Stadium in Arkansas.

755
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: It was one hundred and ten thousand people, so it's crazy, Like, yeah,

756
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: I do stand up in theaters, I don't do football stadium.

757
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: So that whole thing was crazy and yeah, and Garth

758
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: before we were sound checking, he came out and he

759
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: said hey, he said, used the whole stage because that

760
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: was an opener and main support, Like, you said, right,

761
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: they don't want you to have access to what they

762
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: have because they wanted to be bigger.

763
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: And best permission to use the thrust yes.

764
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: So he was like, you're not limited, and he gave

765
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: us I think thirty five minutes. It's a lot. And

766
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: then he said this, he said, if you're feeling it,

767
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: keep going, and I said I'm not going to feel it.

768
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: He goes, no, no, no, if you're feeling it, keep going,

769
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: use the whole stage. And then he walked off in

770
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: Tricia youar what is? His wife goes, Hey, don't feel it.

771
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: I said, don't worry. I'm not going to fail.

772
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: What a nice guy, because I'm like, hey, even if

773
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: you're feeling it, you're up at nine o'clock.

774
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like. And then he waited to put

775
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: us on until it got completely dark because he wanted

776
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: us to be under the lights totally, and so we

777
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: did the whole stage. I didn't feel it. I got

778
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: off at thirty four to forty eight. I wanted to

779
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: be super respectful, and I watched him, but I watched

780
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: him control of the crowd, and he sang sometimes late

781
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: at night, if tomorrow never comes, yes, and he's singing that,

782
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: except he never sang a word. He went.

783
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: He didn't have to he did.

784
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: He just did the beat on his chest and they

785
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 1: sang every word of the song and then cheered at

786
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: the end like he had sang. It was unbelieved. I've

787
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: never seen anything like that before, and I've seen everything.

788
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: I'm so jaded. It was unbelievable. I would compare that

789
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: to a moment and I hope you take us the

790
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: right way. I was watching you perform it was in Austin, Texas.

791
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: It was in an arena, and it almost felt like

792
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: you had him by the hair of the head because

793
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: it felt like church a little bit.

794
00:34:58,680 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: I liked that.

795
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I hope this is a compliment.

796
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: It is.

797
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: You were talking to them and they were with every

798
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: single word you were saying, and it was in between songs.

799
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: But you had a second and I remember I was

800
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: the people I was with that. I was like, man,

801
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: that's what he's about. Because you obviously you're so good vocally,

802
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: so no one's going to question that you have to

803
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: have that in order to be as good as you are.

804
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 1: But you talk about that thing, that that the Jena

805
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: se Quhah, you had it, and like how you were

806
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: talking to the crowd, So I gotta imagine that's a

807
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: big part of your shows, a connection.

808
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: Like my daughters. So both my daughters sing incredibly well,

809
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: but I haven't pushed that on them yet, Like I

810
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: tell them, oh my god, you sing so beautiful. You know,

811
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: your voice is so incredible. And I'm always about showering

812
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: and stilling confidence in my young ladies, you know, and

813
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: letting them know that Dad's behind you hund percent. But

814
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: I haven't been like you should become a musician and sing,

815
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 2: because you know, it doesn't always turn out as nice

816
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: as this. Yeah weird. Yeah, they've they've asked like, why

817
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 2: isn't why isn't this person playing shows like you? You know,

818
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, I agree, they're very talented, but there's a

819
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 2: there's an there's an it factor, and off stage, I'm

820
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: not that it. I'm a cowboy and i'm a husband,

821
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: I'm a father, I'm a normal guy, and I like

822
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: making fart jokes, you know. I mean, it's just like

823
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: I'm just a guy. But for some reason, whenever I

824
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: get on stage that whatever that it is, it takes

825
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: over and it is the it's the most fun. I mean,

826
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 2: it's the most fun you can ever have because once

827
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,959
Speaker 2: it takes over, it's like here we.

828
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: Go the gate everywhere you were saying, I mean, they

829
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: were just hooked into everything you were saying. You were

830
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: crushing it, but it was when you were talking, It's

831
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: like everybody just paid attention.

832
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: I think it's an authenticity thing though, so like if

833
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: that was fake, Like I don't rehearse what I say

834
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 2: a lot of times it just comes out. And I

835
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: think that that back to real. Recognize is real, like

836
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: when you're when you're truly authentic with a crowd and

837
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 2: you're just pouring your soul into them. They're really authentic back,

838
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: and they're really invested. They feel like that they are

839
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 2: as much a part of the show as I am.

840
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: And I love that. I mean, I love that atmosphere

841
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: of knowing that they're just as important as my craft

842
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: and what I'm doing, because without them, we're just a

843
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: bunch of dudes playing in an empty room.

844
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that doesn't pay as well.

845
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 2: I've heard it does not. I've done it. I've done it.

846
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: I would rather do this. Hang tight.

847
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 4: The Bobby Cast will be right back. Welcome back to

848
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 4: the Bobby Cast. When you talk about rodeo, what exactly

849
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 4: do you do? So, what are your skills?

850
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 2: So when I was in high school, I rode bulls

851
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 2: till after I graduated it.

852
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: You know, you roade bulls like eight seconds?

853
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and it doesn't you know, when you're a

854
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 2: kid with gold buckle dreams, you think you're going to

855
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 2: ride bulls and be the best in the world and

856
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 2: you're going to be a millionaire. And the best bull

857
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: riders in the world still didn't become millionaires without proper

858
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 2: business handling and guidance. I just love I love the

859
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 2: cowboy way. I love the western whale life. I love

860
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: going out and feeding cows and raising horses and taking

861
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: care of my land and being a good steward of

862
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 2: it and raising my kids. Uh, in that atmosphere where

863
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 2: they don't see what's on the news, Like they have

864
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: no idea anything bad in the world exists because we

865
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 2: live on our ranch and it's just a beautiful existence.

866
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 2: You know. We're teaching them.

867
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: Where do you ride your first bull? Though?

868
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: Like?

869
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: Where do you?

870
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: Just I was in somebody's backyard. They had a was

871
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: at Mike King's house. He had a little backyard bull

872
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 2: riding deal and it's basically a dare. And uh, the

873
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: adrenaline is what hooked me. And the adrenaline I felt

874
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 2: that fear mixed with adrenaline mixed with excitement, and I

875
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: just instantly was like just hooked.

876
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: Did he have a shoot?

877
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, full backyard, like just a full riding arena.

878
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 1: In the backyard.

879
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a full proteo arena in my backyard.

880
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: And now you're rich though, yeah you should be now.

881
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: But like we would.

882
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: Just get on like it was very like like stripped down,

883
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: like no bullfighters, you know, just kind of just doing it.

884
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: And eventually, you know, gave up bull riding, and why

885
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: I wanted to. I just wasn't good enough. Man. It's

886
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: a lot of broken bones. You're broke.

887
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 1: Did you get hurt?

888
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, Like I've broken, uh, both the bones in

889
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: this right leg, three surgeries on the tendons and the

890
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: ligaments in that ankle. I've broken my right clavicle, dislocated

891
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: my right shoulder. I've broken two ribs in my on

892
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: my back like in my left side, had to have

893
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 2: sinus reconstructive.

894
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: Surgery, all from bull riding.

895
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I had to get my neck fixed

896
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 2: because apparently my neck was broken for like a long time,

897
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 2: and I just put up with the pain and finally

898
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: the pain got too bad and they were like, yeah,

899
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: you have you ever done anything physically like active in

900
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: your life, like play football or rugby? And I was

901
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: like riding bulls.

902
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, that's out of it.

903
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 2: Line, that's the one right there.

904
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: Well, then, in the most pragmatic way ever, my question is,

905
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: did you have bull riding insurance?

906
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: No?

907
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: Do you have insurance?

908
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 2: At all. No, you pay to do this, That's what

909
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

910
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: No, that's a lot of hospital bills, I hear.

911
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, my parents were kind enough to let me

912
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 2: pay that off slowly.

913
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: So did you graduate to anything else from bull riding?

914
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: So obviously being a bull rider, I ride really well

915
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: as far as the center of gravity and not being

916
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 2: scared of something really big and powerful underneath you with

917
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 2: its own mind. So I'd rope some I'd rode cutting horses.

918
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: Cutting horses, meaning if there's a herd of cavs, you

919
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: pick one out, and it's the horse that you know

920
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: moves with the cow the best and keeps it away

921
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 2: from the herd for so long, and it's it's more

922
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 2: like a horse show event. But end of twenty twenty

923
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 2: early twenty twenty one, that's when my wife and I

924
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 2: decided that we were going to buy this wrench that

925
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 2: well on now.

926
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: Was that awesome? Yeah? That this is crazy, like we're

927
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: gonna buy a rent the ranch.

928
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 2: Well, we just said, we're getting Houston is creeping slowly

929
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 2: towards our place. Now we can get way more for

930
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: it than we ever thought we would. But we had

931
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: to sit down and talk about like this is going

932
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: to be a lifestyle change, Like this is gonna be

933
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: if we're going to do it. We're going to become

934
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: cattle ranchers and we're going to raise horses, and we're

935
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: going to rope and own performance horses, and I'm going

936
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: to compete. And now I just it's the most fun

937
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 2: thing in the world. I've got a barn full of

938
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 2: incredible horses. My brother in law does an incredible job

939
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 2: of keeping them, you know, legged up for me whenever

940
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 2: I get to go home. And now I have my

941
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 2: own team roping event every year, the Kojo Championship event,

942
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: where the best team ropers in the world come rope

943
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: and earned a lot of street cred and respect in

944
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: that aspect from those guys of not only putting on

945
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: a rope in a team roping, but one of the

946
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: best team ropings in America, including women's breakaway and women's

947
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 2: only team roping in a junior's day for all the kids,

948
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 2: and numbered ropings for guys that are numbers mean like

949
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 2: your golf handicap, maybe aren't the best in the world,

950
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: but still having a rope and where the best in

951
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 2: the world can come rope for a truck and trailer

952
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 2: and a pile of money and buckles and saddles and

953
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: all the things. So it's funny. I always thought that

954
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: bull riding was going to make me a cowboy, and

955
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: now being a country music star and owning a cattle wrench,

956
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 2: I do more cowboy stuff every day than I ever

957
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 2: did riding bulls.

958
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: I always wanted to be a bearll racer.

959
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: I don't tell you that cut that part out. We're

960
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: cutting that part out.

961
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: We don't want to because I go to a bunch

962
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: of roadios growing up, and I was like, that's the

963
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: only thing that looks like.

964
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 2: It doesn't hurt to hit your knee on a barrel.

965
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe so. And I never saw a dude do it.

966
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: Did he have a dude ball racers?

967
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: No?

968
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never saw a dude do it, But I

969
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: still thought that's the only thing I could do.

970
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: As he got on the horse, and like, I think

971
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 2: I've seen one, and he's like one of the best

972
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: horse trainers in the Like, yeah he rides, but I'm like,

973
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 2: I can't do that.

974
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 1: That's more my style.

975
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe hear a barrel horse, you change your mind.

976
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: It's like racing horses, they're all just nuts.

977
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: Why just never saw anybody get thrown off because we'd

978
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: go to the rodeo and you know, every year or

979
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: sometimes twice a year when they'd come through Arkansas.

980
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: Somebody's getting hurt in every other event.

981
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: Always they'd always have to stop it or but it

982
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 1: was like a double because there'd be rodeo one night

983
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 1: and the next day would be crashed up derby.

984
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

985
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: Like, and my friends don't know what that is. I

986
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: don't even know what the official name of it is,

987
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: but everybody, you know, you have these cars and you

988
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: smash them in each other when you're doing derby demolition derby,

989
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: and you break the stick and that's when you I'm out.

990
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: That was crazy. Once I they said, okay, if you

991
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 1: want to, you know, win a prize, whatever, come out,

992
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: we'll release them the sheep and our whole church group

993
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: went climb the fence. It's like thirteen, that's still one

994
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: of the oldest kids out there. And they let the

995
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: sheep go and I went and I tackled, and I

996
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: was riding that thing's supposed to get the ribbon off

997
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: of it.

998
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: Not right. I was gonna ask, why are you.

999
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: Like the bull rider?

1000
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: We need videos of this few Netflix you.

1001
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,959
Speaker 1: No, it was a it was a little, a little

1002
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: pre video there. I ask a few of the art

1003
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: We've asked few of the artists the same questions. I'm

1004
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: gonna ask you the question I asked Kenny and Blake.

1005
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: From one to five, give me your best five songs

1006
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: according to you.

1007
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: Mmmm, that's very hard.

1008
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it should be. It's a hard to tough one.

1009
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: But I'll make you a one first.

1010
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the one song that has impacted

1011
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: my career the most would be Till You Can't, not

1012
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: just because it's I think it's like six or seven

1013
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 2: times platinum at this point, not because it's my highest

1014
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 2: streaming dollars and all that, but because of the people

1015
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 2: that have come to me at meet and greets and

1016
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: told me their stories about how this song changed their

1017
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 2: lives in very, very impactful ways. I think that's bigger

1018
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 2: than money. That's bigger than fame. That's bigger than points

1019
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: on a board, like that's bigger than accolades. Like to

1020
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: know that I went in the studio and created a

1021
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: track that kept somebody from divorcing or committing suicide, or

1022
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: going back and getting in touch with their family or

1023
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: apologizing to somebody like that's it means a lot because

1024
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 2: I think at the basis of it, yes, we like

1025
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: to make a comfortable living for our family, but knowing

1026
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 2: that you impacted somebody like that, that means a lot.

1027
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 2: So that being said, I would probably choose Deer Rodeo

1028
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 2: for the second one because it was the most personal

1029
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: thing that I'd ever written. Wrote that with Dan Couch

1030
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 2: and it was literally my letter to the sport of

1031
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 2: rodeo because I was so depressed because I thought, I

1032
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 2: don't even know if I'm gonna make it in the

1033
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: music business, Like let alone go back and chase those

1034
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 2: dreams that I had when I was a kid. So

1035
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 2: that's probably the most like vulnerable thing I'd ever put

1036
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 2: on paper to that point three would probably be dirt Cheap,

1037
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: just because of how impressive it is that Josh Phillips

1038
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: wrote that song by himself and it's related to so

1039
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 2: many people and it I mean, I had a friend

1040
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: of mine that he works all across the world and

1041
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: he was in Uganda pushing a grocery cart and he

1042
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: texted me and I don't remember what time of the

1043
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: night it was for me in Texas, but Dirt Cheap

1044
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 2: was on the radio and Uganda, I'm like, how cool

1045
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 2: is that? Man? Like I don't know number four and

1046
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: number five. I could easily go with, you know, number

1047
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 2: one hits.

1048
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let you out of it, though, you

1049
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 1: gotta give me a four and five.

1050
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: Number four for me would probably be h by your grace. Again,

1051
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: a very very very vulnerable me on paper wrote that

1052
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: one hundred percent myself and admitting like openly, like the

1053
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: first lines are like I'm aware of everything that's wrong

1054
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 2: with me, but still you accept me anyway. And it's like,

1055
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 2: well that we forget that so much that we all

1056
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: kind of get in this rut of like we're not

1057
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 2: good enough for God because well I smoke or I drink,

1058
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: or I cuss or I do Like, dude, read the

1059
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 2: Bible about the people he hung out with. They were

1060
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 2: all like murders and thieves, and he turned them into

1061
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 2: apostles like there's hope for us, you know, Like we

1062
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: forget that and it's all because of the grace. Like

1063
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: you can't give someone grace unless they're screwing up right,

1064
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 2: So it's like God's grace, it's not his love, it's

1065
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 2: his grace, for the forgiving us and for me. When

1066
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: I wrote that song, it was more for me, like

1067
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 2: I was writing it for me to remind myself of like, hey,

1068
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 2: just day by day, man, just keep it up, like

1069
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 2: just try to be better today than where were yesterday.

1070
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 2: And it really gave me a new perspective on life.

1071
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 2: Number five I really don't know. I really don't know.

1072
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 2: I could pick something off this new project I'm doing,

1073
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: but I couldn't tell you cop out, cop out.

1074
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: We don't know it yet. We don't know it yet.

1075
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 2: Wyon't you pick my number five?

1076
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: I mean that you and Carrie like that's cool.

1077
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: I will, yes, okay, I will say I'm gonna love you.

1078
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: Maybe would be number four instead of number five. It's

1079
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: just in that spot of like I always wanted to

1080
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: sing with Carrie Underwood. I mean, like who wouldn't. But

1081
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: the way that song came about would be the better

1082
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: story of I had it. And then they said, no,

1083
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 2: Travis Dinning is going to use it on his record,

1084
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 2: So it goes back to Travis. It didn't wind up

1085
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 2: on his record, and so they pitched it to Carry.

1086
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 2: Carrie loved it but said, and I didn't know this

1087
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 2: Carrie said, I love it, but it doesn't fit my project.

1088
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: So it goes back into the abyss until I said,

1089
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: I want that song, but I want Carrie on it.

1090
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 2: And I had no idea that she'd already had it,

1091
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 2: and so that's why she said yes. She's like, this

1092
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 2: is the second time the song's come into my life.

1093
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: So I mean, that's kind of it meant to be scenario,

1094
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 2: you know. And she was so graceful, I mean gracious

1095
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: to like even down to like volunteering that, do you

1096
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 2: want me to do some video for your video wall

1097
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 2: for when you play this live?

1098
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: And we're like, yeah, oh, that's what you do. He

1099
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: played her on the video wall.

1100
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: It's the only track we run. I mean it's because

1101
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 2: obviously Cary's there, you know. But I mean she was

1102
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: so awesome to work with, like really down to earth,

1103
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: Like I think people have their vision of rock stars

1104
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 2: being this big ego, but like, there's there's no ego.

1105
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 2: She's just a freaking workhorse man.

1106
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: When you wanted the CMAS, that's pretty cool, yeah, because

1107
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: I feel like you came up a different way. You

1108
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: don't live here. I feel like possibly Nashville culture, whatever

1109
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: that is, didn't embrace you. You didn't embrace it at first.

1110
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: This is me saying story, So if I'm wrong, you

1111
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: let me know. No, you're right that you came here

1112
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: your own way, signed your own deal, your own way.

1113
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: He's independent for so long, so you get to set

1114
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: the terms. And it was a respect not through coming

1115
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: up the traditional way, but a respect that you can't

1116
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: really deny it anymore as non traditional as it was, Like,

1117
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 1: I feel like that's your relationship with Nashville. You don't

1118
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: live here. Then I feel like when you won, that's

1119
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: everybody just kind of giving up and going, yeah, he's good.

1120
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: Never mind, Well you have to admit he's good. Did

1121
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: you feel that way at all?

1122
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, but I've had a lot of those

1123
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: moments over the years, the last probably three or four years,

1124
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 2: of really walking into the room and everyone in the

1125
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 2: room goes, there he is, and you're like, you kind

1126
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 2: of noticed the change in vernacular a little bit. You're like, Okay,

1127
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 2: we are the guys that I'm the guy that just

1128
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 2: walked in the room and everybody went.

1129
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: He's here for whatever reason, right, Yeah.

1130
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 2: And I don't know when that changed. I never one

1131
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 2: of the greatest pieces of advice I ever got was

1132
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 2: from Corey Morrow. He's an artist done in Texas.

1133
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: Texas huge. I live in Texas a long time. I

1134
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: wasn't introduced quite till I moved to Texas and now

1135
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: was baptizing to Kawi mar.

1136
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 2: Corey Moore, a barefoot Texan man. He used to have

1137
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 2: those T shirts that said Nashville Sucks. And like you know,

1138
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: at the time, I would turn on the radio and

1139
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: I hated what was coming a lot of what was

1140
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: coming on the radio because I'm like, studn't sounds it

1141
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,720
Speaker 2: sounds industrialized. It sounds like we're out to make a dollar,

1142
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 2: not out to make good country music. And so I

1143
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 2: had a Nashville Sucks T shirt. And as I started

1144
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 2: get bigger in Texas and started to really kind of

1145
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 2: branch out, Corey pulled me aside one night and he said, Hey,

1146
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you a piece of advice. Don't ever

1147
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 2: say Nashville sucks. He's like, you have the ability to

1148
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: cross this bridge and to leave it open for others.

1149
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 2: Be the guy who builds that bridge between Texas and Nashville,

1150
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 2: and don't ever look back. And I was like, I

1151
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 2: kind of made it my mission then, you know, and

1152
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 2: i'd like to think I had. I had a little

1153
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: bit of a part in building that bridge, you know,

1154
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: for people like Parker McCollum to come skating right across

1155
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 2: and not be a Texas artist, because that's what I got.

1156
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 2: You're a Texas artist. You're nothing but a Texas artist.

1157
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 2: You're just a Texas artist. We're not signing any Texas acts.

1158
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: They'll let you it here.

1159
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. And so you have two choices there, Bobby.

1160
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: You can either become resentful, and resentment is poison. It's

1161
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 2: poisoned to your soul, it's poison to your brain. Or

1162
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 2: you can say, all right, y'all, sit back and watch,

1163
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 2: because I'm just gonna do it without you. And for

1164
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 2: years broke and on my last leg that's what I did,

1165
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 2: was I'm going to do this with or without you.

1166
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 2: And then finally when we had the long argument with

1167
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 2: Warner of what do we have to do to sign you,

1168
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 2: here's my terms, and we've been together ever since, and

1169
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 2: it was like, now we have to tackle the industry.

1170
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 2: To prove to the industry, I'm here, I'm not going anywhere.

1171
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 2: I'm going to continue to play if Eric Church cannot

1172
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: have a radio single, and however many years and still

1173
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 2: sell out stadiums and arenas. That says a lot to me,

1174
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 2: and so I just pushed and pushed and pushed until finally, Yeah,

1175
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 2: when you win Album of the Year, you're like, we

1176
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: did that. We made a whole album that was recognized

1177
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 2: by this industry. And then Male Vocalist of the Year.

1178
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, you do feel that love and acceptance,

1179
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 2: and it gives me the opportunity to look at other

1180
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 2: young artists that maybe even watch this special right now

1181
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 2: to it may not be your time, it may be

1182
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: ten years from now. Like, don't get buried in resentment

1183
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: and what you think that right now is going to

1184
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 2: fix for you. If you really love this, keep doing

1185
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 2: it no matter how many people say no, just keep

1186
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 2: doing it. And I'm living proof that sometimes it works

1187
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 2: out pretty well.

1188
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: Before you came in, we were talking about you going

1189
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: back out on the road. You had a little break.

1190
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: Obviously by the time this STA Areas, you'll have done

1191
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: a couple of shows, so we hope don't I don't

1192
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: want jinx it. Yeah yeah, so yeah, like what's happening

1193
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: on the road, Like, I'm sure you have a ton

1194
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: of stuff plan like new stuff or I don't know,

1195
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: you just haven't done it in a minute because you'd

1196
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 1: your ear like what's up?

1197
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 2: Well, so pre ear rupture. When we found out that

1198
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 2: Brandy was pregnant, I just started working my tail off.

1199
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: I was like, I want to try to get as

1200
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 2: much done in prep for him coming, this baby boy

1201
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 2: to be born, so that if I needed to, I

1202
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: can shut it off. But you should probably do that too.

1203
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 2: But yeah, prep, I mean so much stuff, so much

1204
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: material in the can. Like we had Travel and Soldier

1205
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 2: recorded for almost a year before we put it out,

1206
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 2: because it just hold it in the can. I have

1207
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 2: all this stuff stored up. Go ahead, and let's approve

1208
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 2: next year's stage plots, and let's approve next year's gear upgrade.

1209
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 2: And yes we are gonna move to one more semi truck,

1210
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 2: and yes we're gonna hire these people to do this

1211
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 2: on video and on this we're gonna need one more

1212
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: bus and get all the logistics out of the way.

1213
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 2: So tonight, literally after we get through with this cast,

1214
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go over to the rehearsal hall and I'm

1215
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 2: gonna sit down with my band leader. I'm gonna sit

1216
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 2: down with my production manager, my ear monitor engineer. We're

1217
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: gonna go through all this stuff in preparations for tomorrow.

1218
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 2: Is a big I call it rehearse at your leisure.

1219
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,919
Speaker 2: Maybe we played four or five songs and take a break.

1220
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 2: Maybe we play for an hour and take a break.

1221
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 2: Let's go through setlists, Let's dissect every everything that we're

1222
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 2: gonna do. Let's let's what are you going if we

1223
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: do this? What are you gonna do on the lights

1224
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 2: right there? If I queue the crowd like this, how's

1225
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 2: that video go? All gonna make this match? Because all

1226
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,479
Speaker 2: this new staging is so big. There's no pyro, there's

1227
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 2: no smoke, there's no confetti bombs. It's just a big, old, beefy, huge, masculine,

1228
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 2: jagged stage that looks like whoa, we haven't seen that

1229
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 2: from Cody yet. Just a little bit of candy, nothing crazy,

1230
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: but it's enough to say this is a new me

1231
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six, and we're here to take it.

1232
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 2: We're here to take what's ours and it's you know.

1233
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 2: And also gearing up obviously, I'm I've told you I'm

1234
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 2: in the studio right now. I'm almost finished with a

1235
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: new record. It will be out this year. Don't really

1236
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 2: have a date on it. I hate setting a date.

1237
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 2: I hate setting a date and working backwards. So we

1238
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 2: also have all this new material that we're going to

1239
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 2: start trying to dig into so that whenever our grat

1240
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 2: tracks hit and a new single hits after the Fall

1241
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: hopefully goes number one, we can have all this new

1242
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 2: materials sitting in the tank. And so for me, I'm excited,

1243
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 2: Like I'm excited I get to go back to work

1244
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 2: and do this thing that I love after being off

1245
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: for three months. Yes, I've enjoyed being home. Yes I'm

1246
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 2: thankful I was there. I need to go play, like

1247
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 2: it's time for me to go hit the stage and

1248
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 2: please some crowds. And enjoyed making music with my bros.

1249
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 2: Man like it, just making music with the dudes, just

1250
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 2: like we did when we were thirteen and fourteen in

1251
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 2: the garage and our parents all.

1252
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: Man, that's awesome. I'm so happy you came by me too.

1253
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: I obviously really like you even outside of this. You know,

1254
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: we got lights and camera and stuff, but you know,

1255
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: I think we spend a little time together outside of

1256
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: lights and camera where I just like you as a person.

1257
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 2: So thank you.

1258
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: Glad you're healthy. Glad you're healthy. Yeah, I can't wait

1259
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: to see the show. Are you coming to you? Coming here?

1260
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 1: It all?

1261
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 2: I know we're playing Bridgestone, but it's a private event.

1262
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: You have a private at Bridgetone. That's how you know

1263
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: you're making it when you're doing a private Bridgetone.

1264
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1265
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: Things pretty good, pretty good.

1266
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 2: Deal with tractors.

1267
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Congratulations, thanks for coming in man.

1268
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:34,479
Speaker 2: Thanks.

1269
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: This has been a Bobby cast production.