1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: This is a great night because so many people have 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: gone to the voting both and they've sent a message 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: we are not helpless in the face of our problems. 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: One of the first things we're gonna have to do 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: is be clear that there is only one Democrat in 7 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: this race. Floomberg Sound On, Politics, Policy and Perspective from 8 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: DC's top name. The Committee will come to order, scorn 9 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: old to uphold the Constitution of the United States. These 10 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: weapons have no place in our communities. Bloomberg Sound On 11 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 1: with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The biggest primary night 12 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: of the year makes a tough ride for progressives and 13 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: for Donald Trump. Welcome to the fastest hour in politics, 14 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: with seven more states in the bag and another step 15 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: closer to the general election. Will have expert analysis ahead 16 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: from Kyle Condict, managing editor at Abbadose Crystal Ball at 17 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 1: the University of Virginia. Later, Bloomberg's Mark Niquett will join 18 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: us on the MAGA movement, he says, will transcend and 19 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: outlive a man named Donald Trump. And as the households 20 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: an emotional hearing on gun violence today, we'll get analysis 21 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: from our signature panel Bloombery Politics contributors Rick Davis and 22 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: Jeanie Schanzano America Votes, and we get analysis on the 23 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: biggest primary day of the cycle by none other than 24 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: the President of the United States. Joe Biden spoke with 25 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: reporters on the Tarmact today at Andrews Air Base. He's 26 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: on his way to California for the summit of the 27 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: America's So what we learned. I think the voters sent 28 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: a claire message last night. Both parties have to step 29 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: up and do something about crime as well as gun violence. 30 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: And I said, as you recall, were the first major 31 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: bill whist we gave the states and local they's billions 32 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: of dollars billions of allars have and encourage them to 33 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: use it to hire police officers and reformed a race department. 34 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: Very few have done it. In the addition to that, 35 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: I sent the Congress request for three million dollars this 36 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: year's budget the deal with hiring the cops to retraining 37 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 1: cop That was not answering a question, by the way. 38 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: He approached reporters on the tarmac and said, I'd like 39 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: to give you a statement, a clear message from voters. 40 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: He says crime and gun violence, and indeed crime was 41 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: a big deal, a big part of the debate in 42 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: California among other places, of course, where they were voting. 43 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: We now have a runoff in the Los Angeles mayor's race, which, 44 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: as we told you yesterday, split Hollywood in some interesting ways, 45 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: and it's the race that many predicted with Republican turned 46 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: Democrat Rick Caruso. This is a great night because so 47 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: many people have gone to the voting booth and they've 48 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: sent a message we are not helpless in the face 49 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: of our problems. We will not allow this city to decline. 50 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: We will know longer accept excuses. We have the power 51 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: to change direction of Los Angeles, and that's the way 52 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: we're voting. And yes, along with longtime Democratic Representative Karen Bass, 53 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: one of the first things we're going to have to 54 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: do is be clear that there is only one Democrat 55 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: in this race. We cannot allow him to have that brand. 56 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: We cannot allow that, and he spent several months constructing 57 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: pretty much a fake kind of image. Congresswoman Bass talking 58 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: to supporters in the street after the polls closed, remembering 59 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: Caruso outspent her by thirteen to one, setting up what 60 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: could be the most expensive race in the country here 61 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: by the time it's done, imagine this is where we 62 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: begin with Kyle Conduct, managing editor at Sabodaus Crystal Ball 63 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: at the University of Virginia, where they do fantastic work 64 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: in advance of and following nights like last. Kyle, are 65 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: we about to set a record for money in a 66 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: mayor's race here? Put me on the spot there. I 67 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: don't know exactly what the record is. I'm assuming it 68 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: would have something to do with the New York City 69 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: mayoral race and uh, frankly, Michael Bloomberg, but um, I 70 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: do think we're gonna see a lot of money. And 71 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: of course, for Cruso has got a lot of money, 72 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: uh to spend it in this race. And you know 73 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: it is it's not necessarily uncommon for you know, Republicans 74 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: to be able to win some or well Caruso is 75 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: not technically a Republican but a sort of laps Republican, uh, 76 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: to win a mayoral race, because we've seen that in 77 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: New York too. Of course, l A and New York 78 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: are both extremely democratic cities at the federal level, but 79 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: they are sometimes open to taking a different tack in 80 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: the in the mayor's race, and that's what Crusoe is 81 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: hoping for. Yeah, boy, this is gonna be interesting. I 82 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: have to say that Michael Bloomberg is the foundering majority 83 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 1: owner of Bloomberg LP, the parent of Bloomberg Radio, because 84 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: you said so, Kyle, Uh. And of course it's really 85 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: the first thing that comes to mind, because you know, 86 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: we did see this with with Bloomberg himself, uh, you know, 87 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: twenty years ago, of course, taking over for for Rudy Giuliani, 88 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: who was you know, who was also also a Republican 89 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: at that at that time. So it is just an 90 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: interesting little parallel. Of course, crime is a big topic 91 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: in l A, just like it often isn't well. So 92 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: look ahead to this general election contest. Obviously money is 93 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: going to be a big factor. But as we heard 94 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: from Karen Bass last night, she's really trying to paint 95 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: him as a fake Democrat. You even accidentally referred to 96 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: him as a Republican. How how are But he's also 97 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: got Gwyneth Paltrow and Kim Kardashian and you know a 98 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: lot of sort of unsuspecting people following him. We call 99 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: him a friend and think that he's the answer to 100 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: crime in homelessness. How does Karen basstop that? Uh? Look, 101 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: I mean I think she is gonna need to you know, 102 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: get get to Democratic voters essentially to come home and 103 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: to convince them that she's the right fit for this 104 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: race and also that you know that she is the 105 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: true Democrat in the race, because you know, one general 106 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: trend I think we've seen even in you know, in 107 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: look in in sort of races far below the ballot 108 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: from the presidential races, that you know, you're seeing partisanship 109 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: more often. Um. Uh define these races as as opposed 110 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: to people wanting to vote across the aisle. But again, 111 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: Crusoe is technically a Democrat, uh in in in this race. Um, 112 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: and you know bass Is gonna want to have to 113 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: want to bring some of those voters home. But also 114 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's a year that um where voters, 115 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: even Democratic voters are probably gonna be a little bit 116 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: more open to uh, you know, to to two alternatives 117 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: to true blue Democrats because it's probably gonna be a 118 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: pretty bad year for Democrats across the country in this 119 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: mid term. We're only by the way, it's about fifty 120 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,119 Speaker 1: uh reported here in l A. Rick Caruso forty two percent. 121 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: Karen bass I never thought I'd talked so much about 122 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: a mayor's race in the city that I was not 123 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: living in at the time. Uh. Now, of course, again, 124 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: both ran on improving crime and homelessness, another big part 125 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: of this. Well. In San Francisco, Kyle of the progressive 126 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: district Attorney lost a recall election. Chay Asa Boudine aimed 127 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: to lower incarceration rates, put a check on the police, 128 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: like a number of progressive prosecutors who were elected over 129 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: the last couple of years. He lost convincingly sixty percent. 130 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: And he spoke after it was done, and I want 131 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: to be very clear about what happened tonight. The right 132 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: wing billionaires outspent us three to one. They exploited an 133 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: environment in which people are appropriately upset. Kyle. You know, 134 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: as journalists were always looking for trend stories, right we're 135 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: seeking trends. Is it safe to say that this was 136 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: a tough night, certainly in California for for progressives? Did 137 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: we did we turn back a couple of pages on 138 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: defund the police, et cetera. Uh? Not necessarily. Um, you know, 139 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: you you you you could find other examples of um, 140 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: progressives doing you know, doing well in these kinds of 141 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: local races, and certainly San Francisco this this was a 142 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: kind of the banner race. But I think the overall 143 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: story is a little bit mightier than that. There's a um, 144 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: there's still gonna be a race to for the uh 145 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: Los Angeles sheriff, and you've got a Democrat who's relatively conservative, 146 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: who um you know was is still locked in a 147 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: close race there. So I think the overall picture is is, uh, 148 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: it's kind of muddy. But I do think the interpretation 149 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: anyway a lot of people have taken away is that, 150 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: you know, progressives were delta blow in San Francisco. I 151 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: do think the truth is probably a little more complicated 152 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: than that analysis from Kyle conduct with us from Sabodeau's 153 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: Crystal Ball at u v A and looking at some 154 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: of these congressional races. Uh, David Valadeo was one in California. 155 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: While we're there, a Republican voted to impeach Donald Trump 156 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: unclear exactly if he's gonna make it. He fell behind 157 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: the Democrat in that race, but one of several Republican 158 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: members Kyle in primaries last night who also voted for 159 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: the January six commission, and based on past primaries, you 160 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: would think that the would be some punishment there from 161 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: you know, from the MAGA crowd in South Dakota though 162 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: Dusty Johnson one with pretty good number fifty nine percent, 163 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: New Jersey, Chris Smith one with about fifty eight percent. 164 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: Have we overplayed the Trump effect? Uh? You know, I 165 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: think you have to put into context that, you know, 166 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: incumbent members of Congress very rarely lose primaries, and they 167 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: usually win by bigger margins than that what we're talking 168 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: about now. Granted, it's a redistricting year all the South 169 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: Dakotas and at large states of course, there's no redistricting 170 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: to be done. It's a you know, a statewide election 171 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: every every two years. So I do think that there 172 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: is some there. There has been some you know, penalty 173 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: paid for members who are seen as being uh you know, uh, 174 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: not necessarily you know, maybe disloyal to Donald Trump or 175 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 1: at least critical of Donald Trump. Or I think one 176 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:47,599 Speaker 1: other way of looking at is to say that that 177 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: republic some Republicans can paint these members as essentially working 178 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: with Democrats. To try to discredit Donald Trump, and I 179 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: think that that continues to be kind of a black 180 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: mark for Republicans, even though you know, a Trump endorsement 181 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: or a Trump disendorsement is not necessarily the be all 182 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: and end all in these primaries too. So again it's 183 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: kind of it's kind of nuanced. But um, you know, 184 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: in Valdeo, it looks like he probably will advance the 185 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,119 Speaker 1: general election, although there's still a lot of votes outstanding. 186 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: In California, you can never quite you know, it takes 187 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: basically weeks for for the California vote counts to become final. 188 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: And I don't think there's anything nefarious about that. It's 189 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: just that that's that's how it works out there. Um, 190 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: so we still have to kind of wait and steve. 191 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: But uh, um, you know, Valdeo is one of it 192 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: is holding down at you know, one of the most 193 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 1: democratic districts held by any Republican, and so he were 194 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: to lose, that would that would give Democrats a good 195 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: pickup opportunity in an election here that otherwise looks pretty 196 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: bad for Democrats. If President Biden is correct, Kyle, that 197 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: crime and gun violence where the issues on voters minds 198 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: that's what drove people to polls last night. Does that 199 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: flip to inflation, oil prices, et cetera, the other issues 200 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: that we're hearing about on a daily basis in the 201 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: general election. I don't necessarily agree with the President's characterization 202 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: of that. I do think that that in general, the 203 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: big the big issues right now are kind of you know, 204 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: what what voters say. They are typically inflation and the 205 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: economy more broadly, you know, and and uh take the 206 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: take the top in terms of polling, of the of 207 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: of what people care about. And uh, you know the 208 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: problem for Democrats is that, um, yes, there are some 209 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: positive economic indicators out there, you know, unemployment, etcetera. But 210 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: people believe the economy is bad essentially because inflation is bad. Um. 211 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: And far be it from me to tell them that 212 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 1: they're wrong about that. Um uh so, and and that's 213 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: what the Democrats are kind of have to try to do, 214 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: is to say, hey, well, actually things are better than 215 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: you think they are. But it can typically be a 216 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: pretty hard argument. That youre is great talk, Kyle Condy. 217 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you could join us the morning after 218 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: the big night. We're calling it Super Tuesday here on 219 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On, Come back and see us Kyle as 220 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: we work our way down the campaign trail. He's managing. 221 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: Editors sabodah is Crystal Ball at the University of Virginia 222 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: Center for Politics on the Fastest hour in Politics. Will 223 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: assemble the panel next, see how Rick and Jennie are 224 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: feeling after the big night. Will check traffic and markets 225 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: for you along the way as you would expect, after all, 226 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: this is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. You sound on 227 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. President Biden called it 228 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: a clear message to address crime. As you heard his 229 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 1: analysis from Super Tuesday primary voting, It's time, he says, 230 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: the states and localities spend the money they have to 231 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: deal with crime as well as retrained police officers. We're 232 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: calling a bit some of the language he used in 233 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: his State of the Union address. If you remember, he said, 234 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to defund the police. I want to 235 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: fund the police. And we assemble our panel on this 236 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: day after Rick Davis, Jeanie Schanzano or with us Bloomberg 237 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 1: Politics contributors. Genie, it was really interesting to hear from 238 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 1: Kyle conduct there who was sort of busting some of 239 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: the conventional wisdom coming out of last night. Did you 240 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: see this as a challenge to progressives in California? I 241 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: think it may be an overstatement to know that definitively 242 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: at this point, you know, because if if we look 243 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: at these two races that we've been talking so much about, 244 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: these are both local officials. We haven't seen this impact 245 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: at the state level. Were incumbents actually in California did 246 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: pretty well, So you know, we can overstate these things. 247 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: You know, my takeaway from last night at San Francisco 248 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: in l A. Was you have to do the job 249 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: you were chosen to do. If you're elected to be 250 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: d A, you need to prosecute criminals. If you're elected 251 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: to the school board because they had the recall the 252 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: year before, you need to educate children. So do the 253 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: job you're elected to do. I think is the number 254 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: one lesson whether that expands into a you know, there 255 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: is a challenge between progressives and establishment democrats in the party. 256 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: We know that, But whether that is a full out 257 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: of tach nation wide on progressives, I think it's too 258 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: early to say. What did you learn last night? Rick? 259 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know I I think it's a 260 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: little different. I think that it was a rebuke to 261 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: the progressives in the Democratic Party. I think this concept 262 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: of hug a thug that we saw in the New 263 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: York mayor's elections and now in the West Coast is 264 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: something that they've got to sit up and and and 265 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: and recognize as a problem for the way that they 266 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: talk about crime, and and and the policies that they 267 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: want to pursue around crime. And well, I think he 268 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: read the tea leaves. He's he's a smart Paul and 269 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: when when he spoke out today, it was he defined 270 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: this election is about crime and making sure that we 271 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: can get ahead of it. And so I guess, but 272 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he doesn't want to talk about inflation. 273 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: But this is one that he's got to get right 274 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: because at some point people will take their eye off 275 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: of the economic issues and want to know what's going 276 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: on in their neighborhood. And as Jennie said, these are 277 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: local issues in the sense that crime is up all 278 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: over the country. So it is it is localized, but 279 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: it is a national problem. But he did distance himself 280 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: from defund the police genie before today, right, I mean, 281 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: I mentioned the state of the Union. Even on the 282 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: campaign trail, progressives were worried about him being I guess 283 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: too tough on crime. Is that the right way to 284 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: put it. Yeah, I mean Joe Biden, I think, is 285 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: much more of a moderate. He's always been that way. 286 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: He he wasn't comfortable in that sort of progressive lane. 287 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: I mean that was what we heard throughout the entire 288 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: campaign from people like Elizabeth Warren and AOC and Bernie Sanders. 289 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: So he's much more of an establishment um, you know, 290 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: a moderate Democrat if you will, um. You know. The 291 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: one thing I would say is I just think we 292 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: have to be careful to overread. I do agree with 293 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: Rick there is this debate going on and they can 294 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: overreach on the progressive side. But the reality is is 295 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: that this elected d A in Stanford Francisco. He is 296 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: a very specific person. I mean, he had a very 297 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: strong message crime was very bad in San Francisco, and 298 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: he came with a history that made him a target 299 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: and he lost last night with this recall. But I'm 300 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: just not so sure that that extends across the country 301 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: at the at the federal level, if you will, do 302 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: Democrats need to start talking more like the president here, Rick, 303 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: or do they need to get their arms around inflation. 304 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that as we go from primary to general here, 305 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: inflation is going to be the deciding factor. Once we 306 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: get to November. Maybe there's a Supreme Court decision on 307 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: Roe v. Way that that that adds another layer there. 308 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: But is this going to be a crime election in November? Yeah, 309 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: we have to understand that a lot of these elections 310 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: we're talking about, these officials, you know, district attorneys and mayors, 311 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: aren't really driving the economic burden of their communities, right, 312 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: and and and they're really defining their own races. And 313 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: they defined them as being about security and homelessness. So 314 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: I think that's that's part of it. But too, this 315 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: is a this is an issue that that that the 316 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: president has to lead his party on, right. I mean, 317 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: Jennie pointed out, he's not in sync with the liberal 318 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 1: left of his party, the progressives, and and and and 319 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: but he's not winning that fight. In other words, he's 320 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: letting them push back on him on issues of crime, 321 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: on issues of the economy. Uh, there's not a single 322 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: voice of the Democratic Party. The president is not uh 323 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: the strongest voice all the time on issues of inflation, 324 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: and and so he's got to outshout members of his 325 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 1: own party just so that the public can hear what 326 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: the argument is against what Republicans are saying, which is 327 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: the Democrats brought this on. This is a policy of 328 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: the Biden administration that they couldn't contain inflation. A lot 329 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: of this will be crystallized in this l a mayor's 330 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: race that we've talked so much about this week and 331 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: and last. Genie Karen Bass says that Rick Caruso is 332 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: a Republican in chep's clothing, right, that he's he's Mr Money, 333 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: but he's not the person you need to deal with 334 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: issues social issues from crime to homelessness. But my goodness, 335 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: when you look at the numbers here, including the money 336 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: that's been spent, how is she actually going to convince 337 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: people of that case? I think it's a hard case 338 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: to make because the reality is is that people are 339 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: extremely dissatisfied with what has gone on in that city. 340 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: And she represents, in many Democrats minds, sort of the 341 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: you know what has been the quid not quid procope, 342 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: but what has been the reality of the city. And 343 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: he represents a change. So he's in a much better position, 344 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: not only vis a VI the money, but coming in 345 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: and saying I'm going to do things differently. I have 346 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: a different plan. So I think she's got you know, 347 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: she's got an upheld battle there to make this case. 348 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: And of course in the face of all the money 349 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: that he's spending is another thing she's got to deal with. 350 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: And let's not forget he's also talking a lot about 351 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: corruption because people hold that thought. Rick and Jeannie with 352 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: us for the hour. This is bloomberg pretty amazing to 353 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: think that. You know, we're here in the throes of 354 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: primary season, we're getting deeper into this thing, and the 355 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: politician that has received more talk really than I guess 356 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: anyone else is Donald Trump, the one who's not on 357 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 1: the ballot, and he's certainly had an influence on some 358 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: of these primaries, others not so much. But the Republican 359 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: Party is betting that the Trump brand will help get 360 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: things done in November. Take back Congress. This is the 361 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: year that we're going to take back the House. We're 362 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: going to take back the Senate, and we're going to 363 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: take back America. We're going to take it back. That's 364 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: the former president at a rally but just two weeks ago, 365 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: and the crowd goes wild until you read Mark Niquette's column. 366 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: Though Trump's cult of personality has been replaced, he says, 367 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: with a new political philosophy branded like his buildings and resorts. 368 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: It's a really smart piece. We had to talk to 369 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: Mark about it. To make America Great Again movement. He 370 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:14,239 Speaker 1: writes that tens of millions of Americans adopted put him 371 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: in the White House, transformed the Republican Party, but the 372 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: current crop of midterm primaries is revealing the former president's 373 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: brash brand of politics more than the man himself is 374 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: driving many Republican voters. Thanks for being with us, Mark, 375 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: Does that mean that Joe Biden is onto something when 376 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: he keeps talking about the ultra mega agenda? We're gonna 377 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: see because it does look like the movement that, as 378 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: you say, Trump tapped to get to the White House 379 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 1: and certainly amplified, you know, showing signs of being willing 380 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: to to to live with or without him. Um. We 381 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: noticed as we are covering the Trump rallies during the 382 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: primary season that he would stage to help support US 383 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: endorsed candidates, that these folks would come to the rallies 384 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: they'd be wearing their Maga hats and their Maga gear 385 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: and you know, chanting Trump's name at the rally. But 386 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: they weren't inclined to the support the candidates that Trump 387 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: was endorsing. They're gonna make up their own minds, and 388 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: they liked other candidates better. And we saw that in 389 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: some of these primaries where Republican voters, you know, maybe 390 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: they love Trump, but they weren't going to support his 391 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: endorsed candidate. That's pretty remarkable. But to your point, it's 392 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: about the brand, just like it's on one of his 393 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: buildings here. His brand just came off the hotel in Washington. 394 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 1: But the idea is they plaster themselves with MAGA and 395 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: don't have a lot of interest in the content. Necessarily. 396 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: They were in some cases the president, the former president, 397 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: was having trouble pronouncing the names of some of the 398 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: candidates that he had endorsed. Right. It's it's I guess 399 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: the idea is that the philosophy and the style, more 400 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: than anything else of MAGA is more important, perhaps than 401 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: you know, Trump himself. Trump is still overwhelmingly popular in 402 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: the gop um and I think he's you know, odds 403 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 1: on favors to be the Republican nominee if he runs 404 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: again for president. UM. But there's a sense now that 405 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: we quoted a couple of folks, folks in our piece 406 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: saying that if if Trump were to leave the stage tomorrow, 407 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: MAGA would still exist. You know, this type of aggressive 408 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: politics and sort of the American first ideas that Trump 409 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: champion died would still live on and and probably be 410 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 1: embodied by somebody else. Well, that's my question for you, Mark. 411 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: Is this the type of thing where Rhonda Santis takes 412 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: on the Maga mantle or you know, somewhere down the road, 413 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: Ted Cruise is your MAGA guy? Or is this a 414 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: more decentralized movement that will never have another figurehead like 415 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. We're gonna find out, I think, because movements 416 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:46,719 Speaker 1: have always had factions. If you consider the Tea Party movement, 417 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: for example, there were different groups within the movement, you know, 418 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: struggling to get UH control and dominance. And we may 419 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: see that in the MAGA movement. But I think at 420 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: least initially, you're you're seeing UM folks like Rhonda Sandys 421 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: sort of adopt the the MAGA playbook. You know, he's 422 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: he's promoting issues that are popular with the bass. He 423 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: went after Disney as a corporation that you know was 424 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: considered he considered woke. Um. He has sort of an 425 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 1: aggressive style of politics that mirrors Trump's with some of 426 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,239 Speaker 1: the same aggressive rhetoric. Um So, at least initially, you're 427 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: seeing sort of characters adopting the MAGA style and playbook, 428 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: even if they're not specifically as um um charismatic, perhaps 429 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: as Donald Trump not not many people have been to 430 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: as many Trump rallies as you have, Mark, Do you 431 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: plan to continue attending them for the next several months? Yeah? 432 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: I think so, because they're they're always interesting if nothing else, 433 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: and and you know, it's it's it's helpful to talk 434 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: to the folks who are there because um, Like I 435 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: said that, that was sort of our first clue that 436 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: you know, this phenomenon was underway, that the number of 437 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: people who would come to these rallies and clearly are 438 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: are strong Trump supporters, but you know they weren't going 439 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: to blindly follow him and in supporting these candidates that 440 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: Trump pres there to to promote. Great piece look forward 441 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: on the terminal, He's not God by Mark Nickatt Bloombery 442 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: Politics Reporter. Always a great pleasure to have Mark with us. 443 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: It's curious to touch on this with the panel quickly. Well, well, 444 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: we have a moment here, Rick Davis and Jeanie Schanzano 445 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: of course spending the hour with us. What's your thought 446 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: on this? Rick? If Donald Trump fell off the face 447 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: of the earth, I think the line was tomorrow the 448 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: MAGA brand would continue. Do you see that happening. Yeah, 449 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: I think it'll happen for a while. I think it'll 450 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: be subsumed by other movements. As you were talking there, 451 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: you know, was the Tea Party before there was Maga. 452 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: Rostrow had his own brand of cultural personality prior to that. Um, 453 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: we've we've seen this come and go in in the 454 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: party and and I think what makes it unique to 455 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: to Donald Trump is there's no real ideological underpinning, right. 456 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: He vacillates all over the place on whether he's a 457 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: conservative or progressive in in many ways, and and he 458 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: makes his decisions based on his inclinations, not on any 459 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: kind of Maga ideology. And so I think it's going 460 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: to become up to others, you know, after Donald Trump, 461 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: to sort of define it, and they'll define it in 462 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: their own way, because it'll be in their interest not 463 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 1: to just be a knockoff of Donald Trump. What does 464 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: maga mean, Genie? If if Trump supporters say they support 465 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: the former president but they would not vote for the 466 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: candidates he endorsed. Yeah, yeah, best title of marks piece. 467 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: I love that title, and it's a great piece. But 468 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: you know, I was thinking of Cathy Barnett in Pennsylvania. 469 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: I mean, she campaign talking about the fact that you know, 470 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: she's really maga. Whether he you know, Donald Trump recognized it, 471 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 1: and that's right, and so I do think that there 472 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 1: is a way in which this could, uh, you know, 473 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: sustain despite you know, what happens to Trump, whether he's 474 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: on a ballot or not. I'm not sure for how long, 475 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: but at least in the short period. It's certainly, uh, 476 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: it's certainly out there. Has Webster put maga in the dictionary? Yet? 477 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: Did that happen? Man? We got to look that up. 478 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: If not yet, it's certainly going to happen this year. 479 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: Ultra maga anyone. Rick and Genie will reassemble the panel 480 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: coming up next here following the gun hearing today on 481 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: the House and the latest uncompromised This is Bloomberg. You're 482 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: listening to Bloomberg you sound on with Joe Matthew on 483 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. It turns out maga is in the dictionary, 484 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: just not the maga we thought has to do with Hinduism. 485 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: Apparently this is fascinating to me and the sours of India. 486 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: Maybe this year Webster will get with it. Thanks for 487 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: joining us on the Wednesday edition of Bloomberg Sound on 488 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: the Fastest Hour in Politics. As we turned to what 489 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: happened today in the House along with our panel, Rick 490 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 1: and Genie or with us, both sides of the aisle 491 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: say that we're caen to finalize a deal to address 492 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: gun violence in the Senate as soon as this week. 493 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: Things have been a little bit more complicated in the House, 494 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: where the Oversight Committee today held a hearing the committee 495 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 1: will come to order. There were family victims from those 496 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: lost at rob Elementary School in Uvaldi, from those lost 497 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: in Buffalo. There were law enforcement officials and of course 498 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: politicians on the panel asking the questions, including Congressoen Katie Porter, 499 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: Democrat from California. Shootings involving assault weapons are six times 500 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: as deadly as shootings involving handguns, and when assault weapons 501 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: are equipped with high capacity magazines or bump stocks, the 502 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: death toll rises even further. Representative James Comer is ranking 503 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: member on the committee, Republican from Kentucky. I strongly believe 504 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: that there's important place for law abiding gun owners to 505 00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: serve and protecting themselves, their families, and their communities from violence. 506 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: This went on for hours today following a similar hearing yesterday. 507 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: And I'd love to hear from the panel on this 508 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 1: because there are there are two parallel tracks happening. One 509 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: seems to be associated with reality and the other one 510 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: does not genie this effort in the House here they 511 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: marked up a series of a package of legislation, if 512 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: I can call it that, last week. The hearings now underway. 513 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi says they're going to vote on these bills. 514 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: But but there's no path for them to become law, 515 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: no path for them to get through the sentence. What 516 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: are we doing here? You know, there's no chance. And 517 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: you know the House has a very publicly um you know, 518 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: be helding holding these hearings. They're very emotional. Another emotional 519 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: day following Matthew McConaughey's you know statement in front of 520 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: the White House Press Corps. Yesterday you heard from the 521 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: victims and an eleven year old girl smearing her dead 522 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: friends blood on her Just a horrific hearing to and 523 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: to witness that. And of course, as you mentioned, the 524 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: House putting forward a package that has no chance of 525 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: getting through the Senate. And then you juxtapose that with 526 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: the fact that the Senate is working very much in private. 527 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: They're not, you know, using these emotional at least not 528 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: yet having these emotional testimony go forward. And yet we 529 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: know what they're debating about now is much more incremental 530 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: and likely won't change gun laws at least if you 531 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: listen to what Senator Cornyn had to say. Yes, right, 532 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: the bill expected to pass the House without any Republicans support. Uh. 533 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: We heard Republicans talking about this in their leadership briefing 534 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: in the House today. Representatives Galase was asked about it 535 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: Rick he wouldn't even say that he was in favor 536 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: of a red flag law. It does seem like the 537 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: House and Senator two different worlds right now. Well, they 538 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: always have been and always will be. I think you 539 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: can almost ignore the Republican leadership in the House. They're 540 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: not a factor in the debate right now on guns 541 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: and not in the House, and and and no one 542 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: in the senate's listening to them. So the people who 543 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: are doing the bipartisan negotiation in the Senate are the 544 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: ones who are trying to make progress. I think they 545 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: are legitimately trying to find common ground amongst Republicans and 546 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: Democrats to do something about this. I do think that 547 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: the Democratic leadership in the House is doing a good 548 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: job of keeping the public attention on this issue. We 549 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: know that these issues tend to fade and take the 550 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: political saliency out of the debate. And so by doing 551 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: things like inviting Matthew McConaughey over to the White House 552 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: to talk about his hometown and the massacre that took place, 553 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: having these hearings, even if the legislation isn't going anywhere, 554 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: the testimony was extremely powerful, as Genie said, and and 555 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: and this won't be missed by those negotiators when they 556 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: see the evening news tonight. And so I think that 557 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: that right now the environment is right for a deal, 558 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: and I think before we start classifying the deal is 559 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: is not good enough, we have to remember that that 560 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: we've had incidents like this where nothing has happened, and 561 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: guests right, and so I think that that we we 562 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: ought to we ought to keep the heat on members 563 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: of the negotiating committee in the Senate and and see 564 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: what comes out of there, and and and frankly, the 565 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: only thing is disappointed to me is that there isn't 566 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: a deadline for their actions. They need to be under 567 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: some public heat to show their cards. Well. Interesting to 568 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: hear from Senator Chuck Schumer today, Genie. He said at 569 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: least in the last twenty four hours. This may have 570 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: been late yesterday, but he said the Senate will vote 571 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: on gun legislation soon. This is different than a week 572 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: from now, like we heard, when everyone's back, you know, 573 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: you guys around a time. He does seem like he's 574 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: willing to give Murphy and corn In a couple of 575 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: extra days, if not weeks, don't. Yeah, And I think 576 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: he's right to do that. I think both he and 577 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: the President are trying to, as Rick said, you know, 578 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: allow this committee to do its work, to do it 579 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: in private, and to try to come to some agreement. 580 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: But we also need to say that Chris Murphy yesterday 581 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: was saying that, you know, they're extending a hand of 582 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: partnership to their Republican colleagues are trying to get a deal. 583 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: They're not going to settle for legislation that's box checking, 584 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: and so where what that means exactly is very unclear 585 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: to me. And timing wise, I think is still a 586 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: big question mark. I was thinking they needed to maybe 587 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: get a framework this week, but I don't know if 588 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: we're going to see something like that until maybe next week. 589 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: And the longer this goes on, the harder to move 590 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: forward on it. So I think, you know, at least 591 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: by July, we have to see action the lesson we 592 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: have been taught repeatedly over the last year or so. Uh, 593 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: this time tomorrow, right around this time tomorrow, we're gonna 594 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: be gearing up for the big hearing, the January sixth Committee. 595 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: This is the first prime time hearing. You've heard about 596 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: it the networks. Now we're on board. This thing starts 597 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: at eight o'clock and we're told by the Committee, as 598 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: we've discussed on this program, that we're going to see 599 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: and hear things. We're going to learn things new, not 600 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: just another montage of terrible video from the riot at 601 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: the Capitol. This came up by the way. In that 602 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: Republican leadership briefing that I mentioned today, Congresswoman at least 603 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: to Fank was asked about this, what her thought was 604 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: on the work of the committee, and what she expected 605 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: to hear on Thursday night. Listen to the way she 606 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: answered this and get prepared to hear this a lot more. 607 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: Over the course of this process, they are scrambling to 608 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: change the headlines, praying that the nation will focus on 609 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: their partisan witch hunt instead of our pocketbooks. It will 610 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: not work. Just this week, Nancy Pelosi's illegitimate January six 611 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: committee secretly hired the former president of ABC News to 612 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: produce these shameless primetime show this with the same producer 613 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: that covered up victims of Jeff Epstein. This further solidifies 614 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: what we know, what we have known from day one. 615 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: This committee is not about seeking the truth. It is 616 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: a smear campaign against President Donald Trump, against Republican members 617 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: of Congress, and against Trump voters across this country. This 618 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: committee is un constitutional, it is illegitimate. I thought it 619 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: was worth running that whole thing. Rick partisan which hunt. 620 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,959 Speaker 1: We've heard that from Kevin McCarthy, illegitimate, unconstitutional, We've heard 621 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: that from Republicans as well, now taking aim at this, 622 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: this former ABC News president James Goldston, who we at 623 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: least I refer to this that they had hired a 624 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:24,399 Speaker 1: veteran news uh, a newsperson to make videos. He's gonna 625 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 1: be producing videos as part of this presentation. To think 626 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 1: that she's invoking the name Jeff Epstein into this, Rick, 627 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: this is uh, this is a new layer. Yeah, it's 628 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: it's not a new layer in the debate in Washington 629 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: for a long time. It's a new layer in this debate. 630 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: But the reality is this is a classic you know, 631 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: attack the messenger. So when you don't have anything to 632 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: say about the message, right, there's nothing she can say 633 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 1: about what happened on January six that isn't either already 634 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: in the record or very uh the amatory to her 635 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: own party. Uh, then she got to attack the messenger 636 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,959 Speaker 1: in this case. I think part of the reason that 637 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: the committee is doing these high profile uh hearings in 638 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: prime time is to actually set that record straight right, 639 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: and and to to try and get that message out 640 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: that this is the historical context that we want. It 641 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: is a competitive marketplace for ideas, and they have to 642 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: be out there shouting as loud as they can to 643 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: make sure people understand what their version of events on 644 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: January six is. There is not as as at least 645 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,399 Speaker 1: Aphonic pointed out, a uniform sense of history here. And 646 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: this is a very important task the committee has to 647 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: set the record straight. Was it smart to hire a 648 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: former ABC News president to be involved in this genie? 649 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: I actually think it was. And unlike least Stephonic Justice said, 650 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: this was not a secret. This you know, we've all 651 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: been talking about it. It was widely reported. So maybe 652 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: because she was at the fun raiser with Trump this 653 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: week raising millions of dollars, she didn't get to see 654 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: the news, but widely reported. And um, her for it, 655 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 1: doesn't you mean her fundraising? Well? No, the fact that 656 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Epstein that I mean that he was he 657 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,320 Speaker 1: was running the network at a time when this story 658 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: was was quashed. I realized that. But what does that 659 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: have to do? I mean, talk about distracting from the 660 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: point it is. And it's so Washington Insider, because people 661 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: are not going to be paying attention to who cut 662 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: the videos. Um, you know, was it you know, in 663 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: former ABC president or somebody else? They you know, the 664 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: real question here and there are real questions, will anybody 665 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: watch these hearings, Will it change any minds? Will it 666 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: set the historical record straight? Will it be seen as 667 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: non political? Will we learn anything new? So there's a 668 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: whole host of real questions to be asked about what 669 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: they're doing. But involvement of you know, somebody at ABC 670 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: and Jeffrey Epstein is a far cry. And you know, 671 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: but this is where least dephonic is as she fights 672 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: to take control of this party, probably away from Kevin McCarthy, 673 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: but he doesn't see it coming yet. Just in a 674 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: few seconds we have left. Rick, If it looks pre produced, 675 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: like like mainstream media, is that a risk that people 676 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 1: won't trust it? I think people are used to wanting 677 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: to be given their news, you know, by sweet uh 678 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: sweetwater in their drink, and so if they can make 679 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: it a better way to communicate. Look, most hearings are boring. 680 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,800 Speaker 1: This one can't be sweetwater in the panel, Rick and 681 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: Jennie with us as ever, we'll meet back here. We'll 682 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: get you ready tomorrow night. On the fastest hour in politics, 683 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew in Washington. This is Bloomberg