1 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: You're listening to Facing Evil, a production of iHeartRadio and 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: Tenderfoot TV. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: are solely those of the individuals participating in the show 4 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 1: and do not represent those of iHeartRadio or Tenderfoot TV. 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: This podcast contains subject matter which may not be suitable 6 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: for everyone. Listener discretion is advised. 7 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 2: Hi, everyone, welcome back to Facing Evil from Tenderfoot TV 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: and iHeartRadio. We are your host. I'm a vet GENTI lay. 9 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 3: And I'm Roschia Piccarero. 10 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 4: And with us always is the amazing, the handsome, the 11 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 4: talented Trevor Young. 12 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: Hello. 13 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: It sounds like you were his agent. 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: I know. 15 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 4: I'm telling you, I am the best cheerleader ever. Trevor 16 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 4: is the best, and I want everyone to know it 17 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 4: that he is. 18 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: I second that I appreciate it, all. 19 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 3: Right, So I have to point out the elephant in 20 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 3: the room. 21 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 4: I sound a little bit like a phone sex operator 22 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 4: right now because yeah, because I have a very sexy 23 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 4: voice and raspy voice right now, because I have a 24 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 4: sinus infection not COVID, and I did all kinds of 25 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 4: things to be ready for you all today for Facing Evil. 26 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 4: So that I didn't sound like a phone sex operator. 27 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 4: But I still feel like I sound like a phone 28 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 4: sex operator. 29 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: So do I always sound like a phone sex operator? 30 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,639 Speaker 2: Because I mean sometimes I have a raspy voice pretty 31 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 2: much all the time. So what are you saying, Rush? 32 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 4: There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with that. 33 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 4: I just wanted to tell everyone I sound a little 34 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 4: different today. Trevor, why don't you go ahead and take 35 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 4: us through today's case. 36 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: As six members of Lacey's family took turns yelling at Scott, 37 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: he showed no emotion aside from once shaking his head. 38 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 3: No, did you you murder your wife? 39 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 5: No? 40 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 4: No, I just thought. 41 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: Our families going to make it were stronger because of this, 42 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: and Scott got what he deserved. We've said all along 43 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: that Scott Peterson did not get a fair trial. 44 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 6: Nearly two decades after being convicted of murdering his wife 45 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 6: an unborn child, Scott Peterson participated in a hearing Wednesday. 46 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 6: Currently serving life in prison, Peterson said. 47 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: Little Lazy Peterson was a twenty seven year old woman 48 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: from Modesto, California, who went missing on Christmas Eve of 49 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: two thousand and two. Many suspected that her husband, Scott Peterson, 50 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: was responsible for her disappearance. The story became a national 51 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: news sensation as Scott tried desperately to make a case 52 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: for his innocence. But then a few months later, Lazy's 53 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: body was found in the San Francisco Bay and Scott 54 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: Peterson was arrested. The trial was highly publicized as the 55 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: entire country held its breath to see what or not 56 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: Scott would be found guilty. The case was especially contentious 57 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: for a few reasons. One, Lacey had been pregnant when 58 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: she was killed. Two, Scott was in a secret relationship 59 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: with another woman at the time of Lacey's disappearance. And 60 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: three there had been no hard evidence against Scott, only 61 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence. But despite all of that, Scott was convicted 62 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: of first degree murder and then sentenced to death in 63 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: two thousand and five. And So, could Scott have really 64 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: killed Lacy Peterson? What were Scott Peterson's true intentions? And 65 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: why did so many people, despite having no hard evidence, 66 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: believe that Scott was guilty? 67 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: You know what this is? I mean, this is such 68 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: an important case and I can't even tell you how 69 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 2: eager I am that we're finally talking about it. I 70 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: remember how crazy, I mean, how all the news coverage 71 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: was on this story. I mean, this case really took 72 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: us all on a unbelievable wild ride. 73 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. It captured the nation for 74 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 3: years and years. 75 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 4: I mean, this happened almost twenty well yeah, it's twenty 76 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 4: years ago now, yeah, right. But for me, it was 77 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 4: about a few things. So one, obviously, we all wanted 78 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 4: to see and make sure that Lacy got some sort 79 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 4: of justice. It was horrific what happened to her, and 80 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 4: of course to her unborn son, Connor. 81 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 3: But at the time I wasn't quite sure how I 82 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:41,799 Speaker 3: felt about Scott. 83 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 4: I mean, obviously we're going to get into it and 84 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 4: talk about all the different factors and media and all that. 85 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 4: But yes, we know Scott was a douche. But did 86 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 4: he kill his wife an unborn child. 87 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: That is the question, right. But in all honesty, I 88 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 2: was kind of iffy for a while as well, you know, 89 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 2: But I think that both of our minds were changed, 90 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 2: right when like the media just like took over, right, 91 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: and they kept showing all these things. So I think 92 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 2: that we were all certain back then that he was guilty. 93 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 4: Twenty years ago, yeah, for sure. Yeah, but we're a 94 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 4: little different now. 95 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 96 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, but now, like you said, like it's been a 97 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 2: long time, so I really feel like we can look 98 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: at it with fresh minds, a different perspective, right, and 99 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 2: see if it's actually true or not. 100 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know, you guys, all right, Well, 101 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 4: well let's get into it. So, as usual, we want 102 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 4: to talk about the people involved. And first up is 103 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 4: Lacy Peterson. So, Trevor, what do we know about her? 104 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: Yeah? So about Lacey. She was born Lacy Denise Roche 105 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: on May fourth, nineteen seventy five in Modesto, California, and 106 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: her family always said that she was incredibly bright and 107 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: that she especially loved to work in the garden with plants, 108 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: and that would actually become a lifelong obsession for her. 109 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: And then after graduating from Downey High School in ninety three, 110 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: Lacey went to college at cal Polytech, which is in 111 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: San Luis Obispo, California, and that is where she met 112 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: Scott Peterson in nineteen ninety four. He was working at 113 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: a restaurant there in San Luis Obispo that Lacey and 114 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: her friends went to all the time together and I 115 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: guess he was probably a waiter there or something, and 116 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: he was serving Lacey and they were drawn to each 117 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: other immediately, one of the master the other's number, and 118 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,799 Speaker 1: they seemingly fell in love that quick. 119 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 2: I thought it was so sweet that Lacey would call 120 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: her mom and she would like gush about like how 121 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 2: fantastic you know this guy Scott was and how in 122 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 2: love they were. But to me, it, you know, it 123 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: really seemed like this was the perfect beginning of what 124 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 2: you would think would be a perfect love story. 125 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 4: First of all, there's no such thing as perfect this 126 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 4: we know, but needless to say, after dating for only 127 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 4: a short while, Scott and Lacy moved in together, and 128 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety seven, after being together for only two years, 129 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 4: they got married and moved back to Lacey's hometown of Modesto. 130 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: For the record, I think getting married any earlier than like, 131 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, four or five years is always risky. 132 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 3: Well then you don't know. 133 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: That's just my opinion. 134 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 4: But Trevor, you're friends with many lesbians, myself included, and 135 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 4: we get married real, real fast. 136 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard that you hauling. 137 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: That's funny. 138 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 5: That is funny. 139 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 3: You're true, that's true. 140 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, but Gino and I. I don't mean 141 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: to interrupt your Russia, but Gino and I dated for 142 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: a year and a half and we were married, and 143 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 2: we've been married for over sixteen years, So I think 144 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 2: it just depends. 145 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, you'vet in Gino and myself and Vana are the 146 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 4: exception to the role. 147 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 3: I think everyone else right. 148 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: And so by all accounts, the two started a pretty 149 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: normal family life. They bought a house there in Modesto. 150 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: Lacey got a job as a substitute teacher at a 151 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: nearby school, and Scott got a job as a fertilizer salesman. 152 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: So then Lacey went and reconnected with a bunch of 153 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: her high school classmates. She was hosting dinner parties at 154 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: the new house, and it seemed like they were having 155 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: a really nice, simple, perfect little life going on. And 156 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: then in June of two thousand and two, Lacey announced 157 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: that she was in fact pregnant. 158 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 4: All right, before we go any further, I do want 159 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 4: to divulge some necessary behind the scenes information. So much 160 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 4: of what I'm about to say was not common knowledge 161 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 4: at the time and didn't actually come to light until 162 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 4: after the crime. So this supposedly picture perfect family. We 163 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 4: all know picture perfect doesn't really exist, but you know 164 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 4: what I'm saying, it was not what it appeared to be. 165 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 4: So right after Scott and Lacy got married in nineteen 166 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 4: ninety seven, Scott actually started cheating on Lacey with another 167 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 4: unidentified woman back in San Luis Obispo. And then it 168 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 4: happened again with someone else when they moved back to Modesto. 169 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 4: And that person that he started having the affair with 170 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 4: will be a very important character in this story. 171 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 3: A woman named Amberfry. 172 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. So apparently Scott met Amber Fry in November of 173 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: two thousand and two while his wife was pretty well 174 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: at this point into her third trimester of pregnancy, and 175 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: Amber was just a twenty three year old single mother. 176 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: She was a massage therapist, and Scott met her and 177 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: then lied to her. He told her he was single, 178 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: of course he did. Amber had no knowledge of his 179 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: marriage to Lacey until just a month later, in December 180 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: of two thousand and two, Scott decides to change his 181 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: story to Amber, and then he tells her that he 182 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: actually used to have a wife, but that he was 183 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: recently widowed and that this would be his first Christmas 184 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: without his dearest wife. 185 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 2: That's just redonculous. First of all, right, I haven't heard 186 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: that word, and I'm sorry, I know it just it 187 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: matches this story. Like he he is a serial cheater, right, 188 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 2: that's obvious, you know, and everything that was just said 189 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 2: that you both said he is a serial cheater and 190 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:30,479 Speaker 2: a sociopath. 191 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's like you have to think about it too, right, 192 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 4: Like this is pre social media, since it's twenty years ago, 193 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 4: so it's not like Amber could look up and see 194 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 4: if Scott was married, you know, to somebody, like if 195 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 4: she could look it up on social media or whatever. 196 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 4: But then for him to actually say that he was 197 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 4: widowed and that it was his first going to be 198 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 4: his first holiday without his wife, you know, when she 199 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 4: ends up going missing and eventually murdered. 200 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 3: Like, yeah, it's it's one. 201 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: Of many fishy things he does that you know later 202 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: point to his guilt in some way, And of course 203 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: this is like one of the fishy things. Obviously this 204 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: isn't necessarily an indicator of any specific guilt, but one 205 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: of the things it does show us about Scott is 206 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: that he is clearly a liar, like a pathological liar, 207 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: and he will like do anything to like maintain his 208 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: facade or to like keep the lie going right. Like 209 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: the fact that he changed it was really weird, Like, yes, 210 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: already had a lie. Maybe he got like found out 211 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: or something, and he's like, oh, I can't you know, 212 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: be truthful. I have to like make another lie. 213 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 3: I can't go with that. 214 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: So it always makes you wonder when you see him 215 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: on TV later on, you know, as this case develops, 216 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: is like, is this just another one of his lies 217 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: that he's like too deep into and he doesn't want 218 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: to back out of it at this point. I don't know. 219 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: Just something to keep in mind as we keep going. 220 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So there were a few more notable things 221 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 2: that happen leading up to the eventual murder of Lacy Peterson. So, Trevor, 222 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 2: what were those? 223 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: Well, in December of two thousand and two, Scott suddenly 224 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: developed an interest in saltwater fishing, so he spontaneously purchases 225 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: a boat, a bunch of fishing gear, and goes and 226 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: acquires a two day fishing license. So meanwhile, the week 227 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: before Christmas, Lacey spent a three day weekend with her 228 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: parents in Carmel, California, And that was actually the last 229 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: time they would see Lacey. So now we're on December 230 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: twenty third of two thousand and two, and Scott tells 231 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: Lacey that he's going to be playing golf the next day, 232 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: and then later that evening, Lacey spoke with her mother 233 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: Sharon on the phone at about eight thirty pm. And 234 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: then that was the last time that anybody would actually 235 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: hear from or of Lacy Peterson. So we do need 236 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: to take a quick break, but when we come back, 237 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: we will talk about what happened to Lacey. 238 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 4: So let's talk about the day that Lacey went missing, 239 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 4: Christmas Eve of two thousand and two. So at nine 240 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 4: thirty am, Scott says that he's leaving for a fishing 241 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 4: trip instead of going golfing like he had told Lacey 242 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 4: that he was going to do the previous day. Lacey 243 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 4: tells him she's going to walk the dog, go to 244 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 4: the grocery store, and bake some cookies. Then at ten am, 245 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 4: witnesses claim to have seen Lacey walking in La Loma Park, 246 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 4: which is just a block and a half away from 247 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 4: their house. 248 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 2: Then at ten thirty am, one of Lacey's neighbors finds 249 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: their dog, Mackenzie, wandering outside of the Peterson home wearing 250 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 2: a muddy leash. The neighbor says she returned the dog 251 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 2: to their backyard, but another neighbor claims to have seen 252 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 2: the dog walking around the neighborhood at ten forty five. 253 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 2: There is also the mailman who came in the same 254 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 2: time frame, and he says that he put the mail, 255 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 2: you know, in the mailbox, and normally Mackenzie go crazy, 256 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 2: but there was no sign of Mackenzie, no barking dog. 257 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: It's kind of weird now there's all these differing accounts, 258 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: you know, where the dog is. It's always kind of 259 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: strange to me, like looking into this case because I'm 260 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: not ever really sure who to believe in which witnesses 261 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: are accurate, correct, I know, I know. But meanwhile, Scott 262 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: arrives at the Berkeley Marina around eleven AM that day, 263 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: and he obtains a launch ticket that verifies he was 264 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: at the marina at that time, so he actually has 265 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: an alibi saying that he was supposedly there. And then 266 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: at two fifteen PM, Scott calls Lacey and leaves a 267 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: message saying, hey, beautiful, it's two fifteen I'm leaving Berkeley. 268 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 4: So again another time stamp right yep. But sometime later 269 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 4: in that afternoon, Scott arrives back home to an empty house, 270 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 4: so Lacey's nineteen ninety six land Rover still in the driveway, 271 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 4: but she is absolutely nowhere to be found. Scott takes 272 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 4: a shower and washes his clothes, alleging that he got 273 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 4: wet while fishing yep. 274 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: And then at five point fifteen pm, Scott calls Lacey's mother, 275 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: asking her if she knows where Lazy is. He reportedly 276 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: said Lacey's missing to her mother, and then at five 277 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: forty seven pm, Lacey's stepfather is the one to call 278 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: nine one one to report her missing. 279 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 2: That always seems so odd to me too, Like, I 280 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: why did the dad call nine one one? Why didn't 281 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 2: her husband call nine one one? It does doesn't make sense. 282 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: But it's a good question, right. 283 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 2: So sometime in the same evening, the police arrive at 284 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: the Peterson home and they find Lacey's purse in the closet, 285 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: which is strange. And there's also a phone book opened 286 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 2: to an ad for a defense lawyer in the kitchen. 287 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 2: And this is what's really odd is Scott appears to 288 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: be oddly calm, throughout this search, like that stoic face 289 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 2: that we all have, Like he's not even like showing 290 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 2: any type of emotion or sadness or I don't know, 291 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 2: it's just don't you guys think that's just really weird. 292 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 3: I think that honestly. 293 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 4: I think that's why from the get go, I think 294 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 4: that's why everyone thought it might have been Scott, because 295 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 4: he didn't react the way a husband who was missing 296 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 4: his nine month pregnant wife should quote unquote I'm doing 297 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 4: air quotes should you know? Like he was so stoic, 298 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 4: and I think his family has kind of they've come 299 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 4: out and they've like defended him and said, oh, that's 300 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 4: just how he is. 301 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 3: And I'm like, ah, I don't know, like. 302 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that you know again, you know, everybody reacts 303 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 2: to different situations differently, but your wife is eight months 304 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 2: pregnant and you're just not showing one ounce of like anything. Yeah, 305 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, like sad, mad, like nothing 306 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 2: is he don't care. 307 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: Two things to keep in mind though here, you know, 308 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: the first, obviously is that you know, his demeanor isn't 309 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: a direct indicator of any guilt, right, Like that doesn't 310 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: actually prove anything true. 311 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 2: This is true, this is true, this is true. 312 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: And then the other thing to consider too is like, 313 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: clearly he was not super invested in Lacy or their 314 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: life together. We already know at this point that he's 315 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: been cheating on her with multiple women over the last 316 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: couple of years. Again, not to say that that means 317 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: he did anything. Maybe his demeanor is just like, oh, like, 318 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: I haven't been in love with my wife for a 319 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: long time. Maybe I didn't even really want this kid, 320 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: you know. So maybe that's the reason he's like less, 321 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: you know, upset by all this. I don't know, I'm 322 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: just like throwing that out there. I think a couple I. 323 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 2: Mean, I understand that, but it's you know, it's still 324 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 2: I think all of us are just like, well, show 325 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 2: some empathy of some guind But. 326 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 4: I will say, like kind of piggybacking on what Trevor 327 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 4: just said. So, like, Yvett and I watched tons and 328 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 4: tons of different documentaries, you know, leading up to this, 329 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 4: because you know, we've been working on facing Evil for 330 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 4: quite some time, and this is one of the first 331 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 4: cases we were considering doing. And I remember feeling differently 332 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 4: about Scott after watching I can't I think this is 333 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 4: the one on Hulu Vett please remind me. I can't remember. 334 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 4: I believe so, yes, yes, but there were so many 335 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 4: people that were like, yeah, Scott was guilty of something. 336 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 4: He was guilty of cheating on his wife and that's 337 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 4: what he was trying to hide. So you know where 338 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 4: the public was like, dude, why aren't you you know more, 339 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 4: you know, worried about your wife, like he was worried 340 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 4: about his other stuff being found out, I think. But yeah, 341 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 4: it's all very interesting and heartbreaking and mind boggling. 342 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 2: That's the interesting thing about this case is like we've 343 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 2: all flip flopped back and forth because you know, we 344 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 2: expect him to react a certain way, but then on 345 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 2: the other hand, like Chrebber just said, we can't say 346 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 2: that he did it just because of the way that 347 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 2: he's acting. 348 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, we'll probably get into that more when 349 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: we get to his trial and verdict and all that. Yeah, 350 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: the two less things I wanted to point out before 351 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: we move forward is just some of those things that 352 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: you said they found when they were searching the house 353 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: he vet. Yes, one of those was Lacey's purse. I 354 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: guess the obvious conclusion we can draw there is that 355 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: Lacy probably did not leave the house of her own 356 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: free will. 357 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 2: Right, you would take your purse right. 358 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 1: And then the other thing was the phone book being 359 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: open to a defense lawyer in the kitchen. What does 360 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: that mean. There's a couple of ways to interpret it. 361 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: I think the most obvious way to interpret it is 362 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: that Scott felt like he needed a lawyer for something 363 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: coming up soon. What that was, I don't know. It 364 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: could have been a divorce, could have been he knows 365 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: that Lacey's going to be gone soon and he needs 366 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: to have his legal situation straightened out. They don't really know, 367 00:19:58,280 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: but it's suspicious. 368 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very suspicious. Suspicious all right. 369 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 4: Well, on Christmas Day, since Lacey went missing the day before, 370 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 4: on Christmas Eve, a large scale search begins in Modesto. 371 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 4: So firefighters searched the area, along with helicopters, police on 372 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 4: horseback and bikes, canine units, rafts. Basically, this amazing community 373 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,719 Speaker 4: of Modesto came together on Christmas to search for Lacey. 374 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 4: And there were like something like nine hundred people away 375 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 4: from their families looking for this pregnant, missing, beautiful human. 376 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 5: You know. 377 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 4: And there's also a press conference that morning, and this 378 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 4: is where all you know the media blitz starts, right So, 379 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 4: Detective al Brotini says that it would be highly out 380 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 4: of character for Lacey to disappear. 381 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 3: Without notice, especially leaving without her purse. 382 00:20:55,680 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 4: Hello, her family offers a twenty five thousand dollars ward 383 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 4: for Lacy's safe return. 384 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: So two days go by, and then on December twenty seventh, 385 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: detectives finally search Scott's fertilizer warehouse and they bring with 386 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: them a sniffing dogs, which leads investigators to a bathroom 387 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: in the back of the storage space, and then it 388 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: also takes them to Scott's aluminum boat which is stored there, 389 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: and this is the same boat that he used on 390 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: his fishing trip the day that Lacey went missing. The 391 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: dog was not able to pinpoint any specific place on 392 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: the boat and nothing was really found. But then on 393 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: the twenty eighth investigators wide in the search and the 394 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: reward vun grew to five hundred thousand dollars half a 395 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: million dollars. 396 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 2: That's a lot. 397 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: So then there was a candlelight vigil on New Year's 398 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: Eve at Eastla Looma Park with over one thousand people 399 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: in attendance that entire community you were just talking about. 400 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: And then over the next month, investigators kept expanding the search, 401 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: but there was still no lazy. 402 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 2: And jurying all of this. I mean, Scott desperately was 403 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 2: fighting his case and he was saying that he absolutely 404 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 2: had nothing to do with the disappearance of Lacey. But 405 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 2: then Amber Frye comes forward. Can you guys remember Amber Frye. 406 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 2: She's spoken at the press conference, and this is where 407 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 2: she talked about her romantic relationship with Scott, and she 408 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 2: talks about how Scott lied, I mean, it obviously lied 409 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 2: to her that he wasn't married when they first met 410 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: back in November. 411 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 1: I also think it's important to note that fry at 412 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: that press conference that we're describing, she revealed that she 413 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: had been working with the police as early as December 414 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: thirtieth of two thousand and two, which is just a 415 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: couple of days after Lacey went missing. My understanding is 416 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: that she saw the news coverage of Lacey and like 417 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: Scott was a part of that, and she was like, 418 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: oh my god, that's that guy I have been dating, Like. 419 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 3: That's my boyfriend. 420 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: Rights, Yeah, It's like, what a horrible way to find out. 421 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 4: I mean, can you imagine, I know, I know, I mean, 422 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 4: you know, like now, you couldn't get away with that 423 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 4: because it would be all over you. 424 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 3: Know, social media. 425 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 4: But it had to actually be on television or she 426 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 4: might have had to like pick up the National. 427 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 3: Inquirer, right. 428 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 2: And I actually think that, like it was one of 429 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 2: her friends that called and said, hey, isn't this the 430 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 2: guy that you're dating? Isn't that your boyfriend? 431 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: Right? 432 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 4: And then Scott, meanwhile, you know, goes on to have 433 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 4: a very odd in my humble opinion interview with Diane 434 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 4: Sawyer to defend himself, and we have a short clip 435 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 4: of that here. I think everybody's sitting at home wants 436 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 4: the answer to the same question, did you murder your wife? 437 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 2: No? 438 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 7: No, I just thought and I had absolutely nothing to 439 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 7: do with her disappearance and use the word murder and yeah, 440 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 7: I mean that is a possibility. It's not one we're 441 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 7: ready to exp and. It creeps in my mind late 442 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 7: at night. 443 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 4: In the second part of that interview, Scott reveals which 444 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 4: I think this to me is one of the I mean, 445 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 4: there's many weird instances in this Diane Sawyer, Scott Peterson interview, 446 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 4: but he pointed out to Diane Sawyer that he and 447 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 4: Lacey had gotten a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars 448 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 4: life insurance policy. 449 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 3: Like, why is that important? Why did you talk about that? 450 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think Scott does a lot of very not 451 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: smart pr moves for himself throughout this time. I mean, 452 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe his lawyer was like, Hey, this 453 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 1: information is going to come out anyways, you should get 454 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 1: in front of it. Is the only reason I could 455 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: think that he would ever say that, because it's just 456 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: like such a stupid thing to reveal if nobody asked 457 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: about it. I don't know that makes sense. 458 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 2: Trevor, one hundred percent, that makes sense. 459 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 3: Okay. 460 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 2: So on February tenth, this is a very intriguing day. 461 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: It's the day that Lacey's family says is her due date. 462 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 2: Lacey's sister and some of Lacy's friends meet for a 463 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 2: vigil at East Loloma Park. 464 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: But that's not all that this day is. It is 465 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: also Amber Fry's birthday, as it turns out, so there's 466 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: this vigil going on for his missing wife and unborn child. 467 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: It's also the birthday of his you know girlfriend that 468 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: he was cheating on his wife with and Scott decides 469 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: he would rather be with her, so instead of going 470 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: to the vigil, he instead buys amber Fry all these 471 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: gifts and leaves them for her. He calls her, he 472 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: doesn't make any sort of attempt to go to this vigil, 473 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: and again, you know, gives all his attention to amber Fry, 474 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: which once again a very stupid thing to do right now, 475 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: right if you're considered like public enemy number one, you know, 476 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: the main suspect in this like, don't be doing sit 477 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 1: like right. 478 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, like hashtag douche. Well, eventually Lacey is. 479 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 4: And I have to give a disclaimer and a warning 480 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 4: now the details of the discovery of Lacey, and they're 481 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 4: incredibly graphic, like I can't even say them. So skip 482 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 4: ahead a few minutes if you are sensitive like me 483 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 4: to hearing crime scene details. So Trevor, if you could 484 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 4: take us through. 485 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 3: It, please. 486 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's talk about when they found Lacey. On 487 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: April fifteenth, a couple walking their dog in Richmond's Point 488 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 1: Isabelle Regional Shoreline Park along the coast of the San 489 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: Francisco Bay discovered the body of a baby in the water, 490 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 1: and the umbilical cord was still attached to the baby's corpse. 491 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: The torso is still intact, but the rest of the 492 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:50,719 Speaker 1: body is essentially decomposed. The cord was torn as opposed 493 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: to say cut or severed, as it would be during say, 494 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: a birth procedure, so this is not a natural occurrence. 495 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 1: The next day, one mile south of where they found 496 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 1: the baby, someone else discovers the headless torso of a 497 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: recently pregnant woman, and the body is clothed in a 498 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: maternity bra and beige pants. The limbs of the body 499 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: are missing also, and according to investigators, the remains are 500 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: quote in an advanced state of decay and are barely 501 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: recognizable as a human body. 502 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 4: My stomach is a not just hearing you say that, 503 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 4: and I know all these details, but yeah, it's heartbreaking 504 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 4: to hear. One other interesting thing is that investigators do 505 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 4: not immediately actually determine that it was Lacy. So both 506 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 4: autopsies were inconclusive. As since we've been doing this, we know. 507 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like a lot of these bodies 508 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 4: are showing up in water, and a lot of those 509 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 4: autopsies are always inconclusive when they're in water. 510 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 3: But I guess. 511 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 4: Of course, these bodies were severely decomposed, and they actually 512 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 4: needed DNA to prove that it was actually Lacey, And 513 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 4: of course, to no one's surprise, they did confirm that 514 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 4: it was Lacy three days later, and it was also 515 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 4: her infant son, whom she had planned to name Connor. 516 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, as you can imagine, Scott Peterson was quickly 517 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: arrested that very day. Police found him near a golf 518 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: course in La Joya, which is just outside of San Diego. 519 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: Investigators were a bit shocked to find that Scott had 520 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: dyed his hair a completely different color. And when they 521 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: searched his car, they discovered a bunch of strange things 522 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: in it. Here's a little list. So they found about 523 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: fifteen thousand dollars in cash, a bunch of like survival 524 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: camping gear. They also found twelve viagritablets. Weirdly, they found 525 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: several changes of clothes. They found four different cell phones, 526 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: and then they found two driver licenses. One was his 527 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: and then one was his brother. 528 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 2: And also I just have to say, like, it's so 529 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 2: odd to me that he had dress shirts, he had 530 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 2: dress shoes. He also because I saw this in a 531 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 2: report on television with Amber Fry. He had a map 532 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 2: of her house, Like what were you trying to do? 533 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 2: You were trying to escape or were you trying to 534 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 2: go get her? Like what exactly was his plan? That's 535 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 2: the thing, right, creepy. I remember reading that Scott's dad 536 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 2: tried to explain it away by saying, Scott was so 537 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 2: freaked out by the media attention that he was literally 538 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 2: living like a nomad out of his car. Okay, which 539 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 2: I can give you that I understand because the media 540 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 2: was hounding you twenty four to seven. So I get 541 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 2: that you dyed your hair, that you maybe were going, 542 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 2: you know, south to see your family in San Diego. 543 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 2: But all that other stuff like why why the viagra? 544 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 2: You know, why why all these other things? You know, Russia. 545 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 2: We can think about it from our perspective as well, right, 546 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 2: just with our family story and our family, you know, 547 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 2: being in the media and getting the attention. 548 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 4: It's hard, Yeah, being related to an acute serial killer. Yeah, 549 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 4: it can be a little daunting at times. But I 550 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 4: think we're a little different than Scott in the sense 551 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 4: that we've never held onto that because our mom never 552 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 4: let us hold on to that ever, Like that didn't 553 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 4: define who we were. But I can see how Scott 554 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 4: would almost have a psychotic break, especially at that time, 555 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 4: like you couldn't turn the TV on without seeing this story. 556 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 4: And I think, actually that's kind of how it was too, 557 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 4: when you know, the Black Dahlia case was happening, you know, 558 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 4: with George, like he was on you know, the cover 559 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 4: of every Los Angeles newspaper and all of those Like, 560 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 4: well he wasn't, but the case was, you know. 561 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, and I guess looking at the Scott Peterson 562 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: case and you know how he reacted to this, it 563 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: kind of like reminded me a little bit of the 564 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: Gabby Potito case. I know we've all heard a lot 565 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: about that recently, but if you remember, her boyfriend Brian 566 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: Laundry was the main suspect in her murder, and after 567 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: he had become notorious, yeah, for probably having done this, 568 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: he like just disappeared into the woods. He kind of 569 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: did something similar to what Scott I think was maybe 570 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: trying to do, which is like get all this out 571 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: of town and go off the grid essentially. 572 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 2: Right. 573 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true, but it's like probably what. 574 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 3: It looked like, right, Yeah, it didn't look good. 575 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: And you know, obviously, at the end of the day, 576 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: we don't actually know. We don't know what Scott's intentions were. 577 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: Maybe only he knows, maybe only his family knows. But 578 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: the police, the investigators, they don't really buy whatever his 579 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: story is, and they take that perspective the one I said, 580 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: they thought that the contents of his car suggest he 581 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: was actually planning on fleeing to Mexico, which of course 582 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: is just a few miles away from San Diego. 583 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 3: Where he was right next door. 584 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: And so Scott was then charged with one count of 585 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: first degree murder for lazy and then another count of 586 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: second degree murder for Connor, the unborn son. So Scott 587 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: then has a very crazy, wild trial that's very highly publicized, 588 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: and we actually need to take another quick break. But 589 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: when we come back, we're going to talk about what 590 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: happened to him and if we actually think he did it. 591 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,479 Speaker 3: All right, so let's talk about Scott's trial. 592 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 4: So, as we've talked about, this was highly publicized, is 593 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 4: like an understatement because this was publicity on crack right, Yes, 594 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 4: So on April twenty first, two thousand and three, of course, 595 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 4: Scott Peterson pleaded not guilty to all counts, and the 596 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 4: prosecution said they believed that Scott intentionally and deliberately killed 597 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,719 Speaker 4: Lacey on Christmas Eve, but they just don't have a 598 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 4: theory on how. And I have to say too, like 599 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 4: again about this publicity, like what I have ingrained in 600 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 4: my brain. I have Nancy Grace's face. Who For those 601 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 4: of you who don't know, which I'm sure you do 602 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 4: because you all go to crime con you know who 603 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 4: Nancy Grace is. But you know she was and I 604 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 4: believe she still is an attorney. But she was on 605 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,719 Speaker 4: every station. She was on Larry King, she was you know, 606 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 4: on CNN, MSNBC, all the shows, saying with her beautiful 607 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 4: southern drawl that Scott Paterson, you know, was absolutely guilty. 608 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 2: Like yeah, you know, and I'm so glad you brought 609 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 2: that up Russia because you know, as we were doing 610 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 2: the research for this case, like going back and looking 611 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 2: at all of that stuff that she did, you know, 612 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 2: Nancy Grace on CNN and all the other channels. I mean, 613 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 2: it was like it was horrible. She went for him, 614 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 2: like it felt like it was she went for coming 615 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 2: from somewhere else, like she really hated him, and that 616 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 2: created that trial by media. 617 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the result of all of this, 618 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: like huge media attention is that, you know, it's so fiery, 619 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: it's so intense, that they determined that Scott can't actually 620 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: get a fair trial in that town. 621 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 3: How could he? 622 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, So what they end up doing is having to 623 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: move the trial to San Mateo County and then the 624 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: official trial takes place a little bit later. It begins 625 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: officially on June first, two thousand and four, in Redwood City. 626 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 2: It just seems like the whole trial came down to 627 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 2: what we've been talking about. Scott just seems suspicious, but 628 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 2: the actual fact is there's no real evidence against him. 629 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 2: I mean, other than all the other crazy ass stuff 630 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 2: that he did, the things that they in his car, 631 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 2: that's still not concrete evidence until Amber Fry takes the stand. 632 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously Amber's what did Scott in. But Amber revealed 633 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 4: that while working with the police, she recorded nearly every 634 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 4: single phone call with Scott, and there were many. In total, 635 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,919 Speaker 4: there were two hundred and forty one calls and over 636 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 4: twelve hours of audio that were actually submitted into evidence 637 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 4: at the trial. And the picture that those you know, 638 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 4: audio tapes paint is of a man who is not 639 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 4: very upset by the disappearance of his wife and unborn child. 640 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: I think we've known that in a very sort of 641 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: indirect way, right, Like we've seen him on TV. We've 642 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: heard the cops tell us about how he didn't seem 643 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,439 Speaker 1: very concerned during the research. But now we have these 644 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: phone calls of him talking to Amber and like we 645 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: actually have like real evidence, like coming from his. 646 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 3: Voice, twelve hours of it. 647 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, lots of it. And I think this is 648 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: really the first time we drop a real picture of 649 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: who Scott is when the cameras aren't rolling, right, He's 650 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: safe when he thinks he's you know, at home talking 651 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: to you know, his girlfriend or whatever. So yeah, no 652 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: more facade, No more like TV persona that he's been 653 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: trying to put on. 654 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 3: That's right, That's right, Trevor. 655 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 2: We got the real deal. I mean, and that was 656 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 2: like this was the final nail in the coffin, because 657 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 2: even if it didn't prove anything, like you just said, 658 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 2: it just made himself look like he is freaking guilty. 659 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. And to be clear, like these calls didn't have 660 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: anything incriminating necessarily, he didn't. He never said, like I 661 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: killed my wife. I killed Lacey. But again, like you 662 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,280 Speaker 1: were saying, it just like made him look bad, right. 663 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:51,720 Speaker 4: Right, But anyway, the jury deliberated for over a week, 664 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 4: and finally, on November twelfth, the verdict came in. Scott 665 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 4: was found guilty on both counts, first agree murder for 666 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 4: Lacy Peterson and second degree murder for Connor Peterson, and 667 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 4: on December thirteenth, the jury unanimously voted for the penalty 668 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 4: of death. Like, yes, he was a douche. Does he 669 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 4: deserve to die? 670 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, he doesn't deserve to die because there's no 671 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 2: concrete evidence. There's no smoking gun, right, we all just 672 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 2: think he's an asshole. 673 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel weird about this one. You know, at 674 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: some point you have to separate your own like emotion 675 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: from like the reality of the situation. And I feel 676 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: like most of this case was emotion, to be perfectly honest. Yeah, 677 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: And I think one of the biggest factors in that 678 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,280 Speaker 1: like emotional response was just the media, Like we've already 679 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: been alluding to, So because all of this evidence was circumstantial, 680 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: you know, I think probably the media did a lot 681 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 1: of work to play up all of these things that 682 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 1: made him seem more guilty than he actually was. It 683 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 1: created this fiery response like you were describing coming from 684 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Yeah, and that was like the same kind 685 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: of energy that everybody had. Everybody on that Jerry, everybody 686 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: watching at home. And to me, that's dangerous, Like that's 687 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 1: a dangerous way to go about running your justice system. 688 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. Trial by media is a term you 689 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: used earlier, and I think it's a very real thing. 690 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a thing. 691 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,919 Speaker 4: And I think Amber coming to the stand, I think 692 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 4: pushed the media and all of America in a certain direction, 693 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 4: and he was convicted by the media. 694 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 1: I'll say Scott's lawyer even talked about this whole trial 695 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: by media thing during the trial. He kept bringing up 696 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 1: the point that just because Scott was a bad person 697 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: didn't mean that he was actually guilty of murdering his wife, 698 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: or that he would go so far to do that. Right, 699 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 1: cheating does not equate to murder, was the point that 700 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: the lawyer kept making in the trial. And I mean, 701 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 1: I think to some degree, like, yeah, I agree with that, 702 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 1: it is a bit of a jump, it's a bit 703 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: of a reach. It's just a weird thing. I think 704 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: the media has a ton of power and we should 705 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: never underestimate it. 706 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 2: Well as always, I mean, we like to bring the 707 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 2: light to these dark cases. And so there was one 708 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 2: positive development in Lacy Peterson's case. The deaths of Lacey 709 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 2: and Connor Peterson led to the passage of the Unborn 710 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 2: Victims of Violence Act, which is also known as the 711 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 2: Lacy and Connor's Law. Trevor, let us know about this, please. 712 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,439 Speaker 1: Yeah. So the act says that under federal law, any 713 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: person who causes death or injury to an unborn child 714 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 1: while in the commission of a crime upon a pregnant 715 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: woman will be charged with a separate offense. And what 716 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: this means is that, like we saw with Scott Peterson, 717 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,879 Speaker 1: if someone harms or murders a pregnant woman, they will 718 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: be charged twice, once for the mother and then once 719 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: again for the baby. 720 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 3: And I just want to do a little caveat that. 721 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 4: I do wish that it's said pregnant person rather than 722 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,720 Speaker 4: pregnant women, but that is how the law is written. 723 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 4: I did read one statistic that homicide is actually the 724 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 4: leading cause of death for pregnant women, and I think 725 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 4: it's absolutely great that we have a law like this 726 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 4: in place to ensure justice not only for the pregnant person, 727 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 4: but for the unborn child who never had a chance 728 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:26,720 Speaker 4: at life. 729 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:32,280 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Also, on April first, two thousand and four, Lacy's 730 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 2: parents they were in attendance at the White House when 731 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 2: President George W. Bush signed the bill into law. So 732 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 2: that was a huge day. 733 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 3: Okay. 734 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 4: So one last development in this story that we should 735 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 4: probably mention, So as many people in California are aware, 736 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,720 Speaker 4: Governor Gavin Newsom has spent the last few years working 737 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 4: to actually end the death penalty in California. So in 738 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, knew someome successfully paused all death penalty sentences 739 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 4: from being carried out via executive order. That means over 740 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 4: seven hundred inmates on death row are for now safe 741 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,799 Speaker 4: from seeing their sentences carried out right. 742 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: And the reason we're telling you this is that one 743 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,800 Speaker 1: of those people is, of course Scott Peterson. His lawyers 744 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 1: have actually been appealing his death sentence for like the 745 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 1: last ten years, since twenty twelve, I believe, and following 746 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,399 Speaker 1: Governor Knwsom's executive order, Peterson's appeal actually made it through 747 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: to the California Supreme Court. So on August twenty fourth 748 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty. Just a couple of years ago, the 749 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,720 Speaker 1: court upheld his guilty conviction, but they overturned his death sentence. 750 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: So the new ruling allows the prosecution to ask a 751 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: new jury to reinstate Peterson's death sentence or allow him 752 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,440 Speaker 1: to be re sentenced to life in prison without the 753 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,799 Speaker 1: possibility of parole. So he's got options now that are 754 00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,880 Speaker 1: not the death penalty, and that is where Scott Peterson's 755 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,920 Speaker 1: case stands as of today. 756 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 4: That leads us to the last segment of the day, 757 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,360 Speaker 4: our Emua, and that's our final message of hope and healing. 758 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 4: So today we want to dedicate our Emua to the 759 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 4: Ohanna or the family of Lacey the rotas they were 760 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:27,720 Speaker 4: robbed of a beautiful, intelligent daughter as well as a grandson, Connor. 761 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 2: It was obvious that their lives were torn apart, but 762 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,799 Speaker 2: we hope that they find that justice was served. But 763 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,360 Speaker 2: most importantly, we hope that they find peace in some 764 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 2: type of closure and that future mothers like Lacy will 765 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,720 Speaker 2: get the justice that they also deserve and God willing, 766 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,399 Speaker 2: they never meet a similar fate, and. 767 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 4: We want to do our best to preserve Lacey's memory 768 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 4: We don't want to focus on how she died, but 769 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 4: on how she lived, how she loved a garden, how 770 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 4: she loved her home, her family, her friends. I think 771 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 4: this is how we all can move onward and upward. Emua, Well, 772 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 4: that's our show for today. We'd love to hear what 773 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,399 Speaker 4: you thought about today's discussion and if there's a case 774 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 4: you'd like for us to cover. Find us on social 775 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 4: media or email us at Facingevil Pod at tenderfoot dot tv. 776 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:30,359 Speaker 2: Until next time. 777 00:43:31,120 --> 00:44:00,080 Speaker 5: Aloha. 778 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,799 Speaker 1: Facing Evil is a production of iHeartRadio and Tenderfoot TV. 779 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,760 Speaker 1: The show is hosted by Russia Pacuerero and Avet Gentile. 780 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,240 Speaker 1: Matt Frederick and Alex Williams our executive producers on behalf 781 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, with producers Trevor Young and Jesse Funk, Donald 782 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,320 Speaker 1: albright In Payne Lindsay our executive producers on behalf of 783 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 1: Tenderfoot TV, alongside producer Tracy Kaplan. Our researcher is Claudia Dafrico. 784 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 1: Original music by Makeup and Vanity Set. 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