1 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast. The I can tell that we 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: are gonna be friends. Addition, as I take an in 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: depth look at Day three of the draft before Dave 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: Lapham joins me for an overview of the Bengals entire 6 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: draft class. The Bengals Booth Podcast is presented by bud 7 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: Light Seltzer. Refresh the game, and here's a quick reminder 8 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: that you can have the latest edition of this podcast 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: delivered right to your phone, tablet, or computer by subscribing 10 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: on iTunes, Stitch, your Google Play, Spotify, or pod Bean. 11 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: It's the greatest thing since getting to interview players right 12 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: after they're drafted. One of the fun things about covering 13 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: an NFL team is getting to interview the draft pick 14 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: shortly after they hear their name called. Think about it, 15 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 1: You're getting to talk to somebody within thirty minutes of 16 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: one of the greatest moments of their life. You can 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: feel the joy boy and the pride and the realization 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: that all of their hard work has paid off. Trust me, 19 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: it never gets old. The big story for the Bengals 20 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: on Day three of the draft was that they had 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: three fourth round draft picks, as they picked up two 22 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: from the Patriots for moving down eight spots in the 23 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: second round. The hope is that one of those fourth 24 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: rounders will turn out to be the next Geno Atkins 25 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: or Domata Peco or Carl Lawson all fourth round picks 26 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: by the Bengals since two thousand and six. The Bengals 27 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: first fourth round pick this year, which was their own, 28 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: was used on edge rusher Cam Sample from Tulane. He's 29 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: six two and a half two hundred and sixty seven 30 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: pounds and earned first team All Conference honors by leading 31 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: the American in quarterback pressures. Daniel Jeremiah had Sample ranked 32 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: as the eighty seventh best player in the draft, and 33 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: the Bengals got him with pick number one eleven. Here's 34 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 1: Tulane head coach Willie Fritz coach. The Bengals had three 35 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: fourth round draft picks. They use their first one. I'm 36 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: Cam Sample, defensive end from two lane. Tell us about 37 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: a guy who started for you for the last three years. Well, 38 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: he played a ton for us. Is a true freshman, 39 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: you know, just really I think great overall players, super hands, 40 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: you know, he can get on blocks and get all 41 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: blocks quickly, very u you know, versatile. As far as 42 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: being able to play. We've played him a little bit 43 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: of nose guard and played him in a shade on 44 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: the center. We've played him in the big gap, you know, 45 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: both as a three technique and four eye technique. And 46 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: then this all the last two seasons, we started getting 47 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: him out on the edge on the tackles, even dropped 48 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: him into space a little bit. I think he's going 49 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: to be able to contribute in the kicking game as well. He's, 50 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: you know, really good movement in space and big body. 51 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: You know, he can't have enough those guys on kickoff 52 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: return put pub black kickoff. You know, you can play 53 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: it tight end wing on extra point field goals. So 54 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: I think the Bengals got him a great one. And 55 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: he's just a fantastic person. I mean, had him for 56 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: four years, never had any issues with him. He's, you know, 57 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: just an adult. It takes care of business. Twenty four 58 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: to seven, we're talking to Tulane head coach Willie Fretz. 59 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: He was first team All Conference this year. He led 60 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: the American in pressures and had five sacks. The Bengals 61 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: have struggled to find pass rushers in recent seasons. How 62 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: does he project as an NFL pass rusher. Well, he's relentless. 63 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: You know, he's gonna keep coming and keep coming. You know, 64 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: the whole time a team started scheming against him and 65 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: chipping him with a back you know, he even is 66 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: effective rushing from a two point stance. Most of the time, 67 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: those guys that are his size are going to have 68 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: their hand in the dirt and jump off the ball, 69 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, that way. But he can do it from 70 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: a two point stance or a three point stands and 71 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: you know, you get in an obvious passing situation, I 72 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: think you can drop him down in there and having 73 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: play a three technique, get him on a guard, even 74 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: get him on a center on occasion, he'll be able 75 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: to you know, out athlete that particular guy. So he 76 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: can do it from a lot of different spots. He's very, 77 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: very versatile. He earned a Senior Bowl invitation and then 78 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: took advantage of it, earning top defensive lineman honors on 79 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: the American squad. Did you start to hear from friends 80 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: in the NFL after that about whoa this guy really 81 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: made an impression? Yeah, you know, it didn't surprise us, 82 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: you know, We just watched him do it every day, 83 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: you know, because it's so terrible, you just missed. I 84 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: didn't even know if he'd missed any games while they 85 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: played for US, you know, through four years of playing 86 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: week after week after week. I went to the Senior Bowl. 87 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: We're only about a couple hours away from Mobile, and 88 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: they didn't allow coaches on the field this season to 89 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: as you know, COVID nineteen protocol. So I was helping 90 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: the stands and it had been in his third or 91 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: fourth day there, and I knew that he must be 92 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: doing a heck of a job because I was having 93 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: coaches seeking me out in the stands, you know, from 94 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: NFL teams wanted to talk about him because he had 95 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: just impressed him so much. So yeah, I heard a 96 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: lot of great, great things about him. I think that, 97 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: you know, Bengals got to steal in the fourth round. 98 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: He said in his conference call with the Cincinnati media 99 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: that he is far from a finished product. Do you 100 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: feel the same way, Yeah, you know, because he was 101 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: played more inside for US early and I had a 102 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: great high school career, but we were really is one 103 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: of his only Division one offers that he had, and 104 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: we got him in the last week or two, and 105 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: you know, he uh, I think there's a lot of 106 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: room for improvement. You know, you got to figure out 107 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: how big he wanted to get, because I think in 108 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: another year or two he could two hundred and eighty 109 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: five pounds, you know, and to handle that with him effectively, 110 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: I think he's you know, he's just only going to 111 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: get better as an edge rusher, you know, because most 112 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: of his career he played either in the in gap 113 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: or the p gap. So yeah, I think he's definitely 114 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: got run for improvement and he'll do it. He's a hard, 115 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: hard working guy. The last couple of weeks he was 116 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: here in town and I have my balcony right outside 117 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: of my office and I'll go out there and make 118 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,239 Speaker 1: phone calls, like walking when I'm talking on the phone, 119 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: like a lot of people. And I don't know how 120 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: many times I go out there and he was out 121 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: there on the sled or you know, doing things by himself, 122 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, just trying to perfect his craft. Well, it's 123 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: an exciting day for Cam and his family, and it's 124 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: also an exciting day for the people that helped him 125 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: along the way, including you and your coaching staff. So 126 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: congratulations and I appreciate your time. Thank you, thank you. 127 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: With their second fourth round pick number one twenty two overall, 128 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: the Bengals selected Hugh Guess defensive tackle Tyler Shelvin out 129 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 1: of LSU. He's six two and three hundred and fifty pounds, 130 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: depending on what he had for his last meal. Shelvin 131 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: opted out last year after playing a gigantic role pun 132 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:20,559 Speaker 1: intended on LSU's national championship team in twenty nineteen. Here's 133 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: the voice of the Tigers, Chris Blair. All right, Chris, 134 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: I have heard Tyler Shelvin described as an immovable object 135 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: and a tree stump. How would you describe the big 136 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: defensive lineman of the Bengal selected in the fourth round? 137 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: Those are pretty good, two pretty good descriptive terms and phrases. 138 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's a space eater. But I'll tell 139 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: you what I enjoyed about watching Tyler Shelvin play at LSU, Dan, 140 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: and that was the fact that, you know, to be 141 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: as big as he is, six three sixty four, three 142 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: hundred forty six pounds whatever those numbers are, you don't 143 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: see a lot of humans walking around at that size. 144 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: I was always fascinated by his quick feet. You know 145 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: he was able when you know, you don't see it 146 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: so much in real time, but when you go back 147 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: and watch plays where he was disruptive or he was 148 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: taking a double team on you know, the way he 149 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: moved his feet very quickly. Now, he's not going to 150 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: outrun you in a forty yard dash, but in those 151 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: first couple of steps allows him to get the pad 152 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: leverage he needs with his size that he becomes a 153 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: nightmare for offensive linemen up front. And you know that 154 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: allows your defensive ends and linebackers to have a chance 155 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: to get back there and disrupt things. And you know, 156 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: he's kind of the he's kind of the head of 157 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: the spear. Large head of the spear, but he's kind 158 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: of the head of the spear. Especially when you look 159 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: back to the twenty nineteen defense. How important was he 160 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: to the national championship team? I think, you know, Tyler 161 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: is a great story and I'm just you know, being 162 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: around him some I'm very pleased to see him make 163 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: it to this level because again, as I said, you 164 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: come out of high school bigger than everybody else, You're 165 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: gonna draw the attention not only of college football, coaches 166 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: and recruiters, but Power five football coaches and recruiters took 167 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: a little while to kind of learn the preparation and 168 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: the work off the field forward Tyler, which resulted in 169 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: a red shirt year. I think LSU did a great 170 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: job in developing, you know, his off the field habits, 171 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: you know his nutrition and how he trained trying to 172 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: build up his stamina, and I think we saw the 173 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 1: culmination of all that and the dedication by Tyler to 174 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: really put the work in. On the back end of 175 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen season. He got to be in on 176 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: more plays, he was in longer during series, and he 177 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: was just disrupted for a defense that had a number 178 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: of players around him who would make the play and 179 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: make the tackle. But you go back and look play 180 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: after play after play, it all started with what Tyler 181 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 1: Selvin did to just totally disrupt whatever the offensive line 182 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: had in mind, they had to keep in mind Tyler 183 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 1: Selvin and I thought that, you know, he opted out, 184 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: which which again we understood during the pandemic year. But 185 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: to me, what was going to be great to see 186 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: should he have played in twenty twenty was him building 187 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: up that stamina and again just being just reaking havoc 188 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: on every snap of the football. We didn't get to 189 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: see that, but we saw shades of it on the 190 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 1: back end of twenty nineteen. I thought he was more 191 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: of the more improved players for the entire team in 192 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: that championship run. We're talking to the voice of the Tigers, 193 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: Chris Blair. He battled weight issues early in his career. 194 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: He admits that he had to mature. Do you think 195 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: that those things are behind him? Did he more or 196 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: less learn his lesson early in his LSU career? Yeah, 197 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: I think so, And a lot of credit goes to 198 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: ed Ojoan. He used to give Tyler a lot of 199 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: trouble that he could have the gumbo, just leave the 200 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: rice the rice, you know, And that's how that's how 201 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: ed He did it in a playful but you know, 202 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: teaching way. And I think what he showed Tyler was 203 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: the number one, guess what you're in on more plays, 204 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: which gives you an opportunity to shine. And when you 205 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: do these things, it's going to better yourself. And I 206 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: really because of the way he consistently got better, consistently 207 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: was able to play more, and that's why he stood 208 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: out on the back end of that twenty nineteen season, 209 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: which I'm talking about regular season, probably the last five 210 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: to six games, and then of course the three postseason games. 211 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: So I think, you know, it was kind of an 212 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: eye opener. You know, you talk about a kid who 213 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: obviously growing up was was head and shoulders bigger than 214 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: anybody he was around, but it just came naturally to 215 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: show up and two or three kids just can't move. You. 216 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: You get older, you get to a place like LSU, 217 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: and you realize, Wow, there's pretty big boys over here, 218 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: and they're able to go more and more and more. 219 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: So I think it was it was a good move 220 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: on Ed's part at the nutrition staff at LSU to 221 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: you know, teach him what it means that his particular 222 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: body needs to fuel itself and at the same time 223 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: keep him an optimum performance. So I give a lot 224 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: of credit to LSU and their nutrition program, and I 225 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: think he's got the lesson, and Goodness knows, he's going 226 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: to be able to carry that in with the with 227 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,599 Speaker 1: the facilities that that Cincinnati will allow for him. So 228 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: I think he did learn his lesson, and that's why 229 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm excited about what he's gonna do because even in 230 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: the NFL. There's not a lot of guys. There's there's 231 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: more than the average population, Still not a lot of 232 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 1: guys as big as he is. Final thing for LSU 233 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: broadcaster Chris Blair, We've got Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, now 234 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: Tyler Shelvin. They signed Thaddeus Moss as a free agent 235 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: in the off season. What do you make of the 236 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: Bengals adding one LSU player after another from that championship team. Well, one, 237 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: I think there may be more Bengals jerseys in the 238 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: state of Louisiana than Saints if it keeps up. Secondly, 239 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: it seems that LSU has become the farm team for Cincinnati. 240 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: But you know, having grown up in the state of Kentucky, 241 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: Cincinnati was my team growing up. I still have a 242 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: lot of family in the Cincinnati area. So it's fun 243 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: for me because now I really have a solid reason 244 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: to go back and root for the Bengals. But you know, 245 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: I think so far, so good. You know, hopefully Joe 246 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: Burrows stays healthy. I think Thaddius Moss is a prototypical 247 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: guy who can have a good career in the NFL, 248 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: and Jamar Chase is just he's unbelievable. And you know, 249 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: to add a guy, I think Tyler's going to feel 250 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: right at home. Grew up in Laffy at Louisiana, which 251 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: is about an hour and a half from Patton Rouge, 252 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: so moving to Cincinnati will take a little adjustment for him. 253 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: But I think he's gonna look to it. And as 254 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: I said, there's gonna be a lot of Bengals jerseys 255 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: sold in the state of Louisiana. They sold a bunch 256 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: of last year. They're gonna sell it even more this year. Chris, 257 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: the Bengals have five picks left. Don't turn your phone off. Okay, 258 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: I'll be ready. I may have to do it between innings, 259 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: but I'll be ready hopefully if another Tiger joes that way. 260 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: Appreciate your time as always. Thank you, you gotta Dan, 261 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: thank you. With her third fourth round pick number one 262 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: thirty nine overall, the Bengals selected a player who has 263 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: ranked number one hundred on Daniel Jeremiah's Big Board. Offensive 264 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: lineman Deontae Smith out of ECU. He's six five, three 265 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: hundred five pounds and has thirty five inch arms. He 266 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 1: had the largest wing span of any offensive lineman at 267 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: the senior ball. Smith missed most of last year with 268 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: a knee injury, after starting twenty six consecutive games before it. 269 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: I got the lowdown on Smith from the Pirates offensive 270 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 1: line coach Steve shank Wiler. Coach, what are the Bengals 271 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: getting and Deontay Smith, Well, you're getting a guy that 272 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: has got tremendous upside. I'm sure it's well documented. He 273 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: didn't get to play this year except the first game, 274 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: and uh, he's uh, he was really the staff we 275 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: got back here or I got back here, the staff 276 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: got here two years ago, and uh, you know, really truthfully, 277 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: the place was not in good, you know, good shape, 278 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: and so we've you know, recruiting it so futh and 279 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: developing and Deontay as a guy that was kind of 280 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: like a you know, kind of a huncle Clay. I 281 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: mean you could you could develop him, and you could 282 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: teach him, and he got better and better every week. 283 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: And uh, it was just unfortunate with a co the thing. 284 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: And then he you know, had some issues where a 285 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: couple of things come up where he had to miss 286 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: so much this year. He was really starting to come 287 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: on to be a really really excellent college a lineman. 288 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: So I think the future for him is I think 289 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: he's only got a lot more upside than maybe some 290 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: other guys because of the fact that he didn't get 291 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: to play. So I'm excited for him, and I would 292 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: I would really be excited for the Bengals because I 293 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: think he's going to be a good project for him. 294 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: How versatile is he he is? Uh? You know, we 295 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: only played him at left tackle, but I'm you know, 296 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: especially after shrine Bolt uh practices. Uh, he could he 297 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: can play any position up front, right or left guard 298 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: or tackle. Uh, I'm I'm I'm I'm ninety eight percent 299 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: sure you can make a center out of here. He's got. 300 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: He's got an excellent hip bend. Uh. You know, he 301 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: can play with a good bass he's got obviously, anybody 302 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: has seen him on tape. He's got a great change 303 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: of direction. Uh. And so he's He's a guy that 304 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: I think would be a as a role player, would 305 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: be a guy that could play multiple positions. He has 306 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: thirty five inch arms and an incredible wingspan. How how 307 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: significant is that in his ability? Well, you know, obviously 308 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: length is huge, uh in all sports, but especially for 309 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: an offensive tackle. Uh, you know, and if if he 310 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: is moved inside, not many guards or centers have that 311 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: kind of length. Um, you know, he's got he's he's 312 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: some things he's still got to develop. He's got to 313 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: he's got to get a little bit bigger. Uh you know, 314 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: his his strength levels not near what it will be 315 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: as he you know, he's you know, as he as 316 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: he's the tourist physically, but his arm length is certainly 317 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: something that has has really allowed him to be a 318 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: really good pass blocker. And uh, you know, I'm sure 319 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: they will continue to develop that way. What's Deante like 320 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: as a teammate and as a team leader, Well, the 321 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: best way I can describe that is if you were 322 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: sitting here and if I could pull up practice film 323 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: from when he was on the injury reserve, so to speak, 324 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: this season, and you can see him running up and 325 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 1: down the sideline during teen periods against the defense, waving 326 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: a towel and and just being doing whatever he can 327 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: to help. And so he he is a team guy. 328 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: And like I said, you know, things didn't go right 329 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: for him this year to be I mean, I think 330 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: everybody knows that, but it's it shows up on video 331 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: all the time. Him running up and down the sideline 332 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 1: in my drills. He was a guy that was back 333 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: there coaching the freshman, coaching the guys, helping him in 334 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: the meetings on game plan. He does a really good 335 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: job of studying, studying film, and he is a you know, 336 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: he's in the role he had to play this year. Uh, 337 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: he was really kind of like an assistant coach, and 338 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 1: he's got really good football IQ. He sees things and 339 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: he was a real big help to me with the 340 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: younger guys. Dane Brugler, the draft expert for the Athletic, 341 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: had him number eighty nine overall on his big board, 342 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: which is a third round draft pick. The Bengals got 343 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: him late fourth. Would you classify this as something of 344 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: a steel for Cincinnati? Well, you know, everybody's got opinions 345 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 1: on those rankings. Uh. You know, I I thought that's 346 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: probably where he would go because just the fact he 347 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: only played one game this year. So the guys I 348 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: talked to that called you know, there was always that question, 349 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: you know what, you know, what's the story? You know, 350 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: the same question you used to asked you how did 351 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: he respond as a teammate when he wasn't playing? So, 352 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: you know, I think he's right, probably where he should 353 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: have been. But I think what will happen to him 354 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 1: as he gets into a system and he gets back 355 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: in the weight room the way the Bengals wanted to 356 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: and learned their system. His value his You will rise 357 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: way above a fourth round guy here in the next 358 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: two years. This is your first day off in months, 359 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: so I appreciate your time. Thanks for the information about Deonta. 360 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 1: You bet, good luck, you gasp. The Bengals Booth podcast 361 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: is presented by Bud Light Seltzer. It's light and refreshing 362 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: with a hint of fruit flavor. Now here's the rundown 363 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: on the bengals remaining draft fix. In the fifth round, 364 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: they selected kicker Evan McPherson from the University of Florida, 365 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 1: the first kicker taken in this year's draft. He was 366 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: the Gators kicker for the last three years, making eighty 367 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: five percent of his attempts with a long of fifty 368 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: five yards. He'll go to training camp as the Manda 369 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: beat for the starting job. The Bengals had two picks 370 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: in the sixth round, using the first on Georgia offensive 371 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: lineman Trey Hill, who was the Bulldogs starting center for 372 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: the last two seasons. They used their other sixth round 373 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: pick on Chris Evans Or, running back from Michigan. The 374 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: highly touted recruit from Indianapolis had great freshman year, averaging 375 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: seven yards to carry, but his production tailed off after that, 376 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: and two years ago he got suspended for the entire 377 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: season for academic misconduct. He returned to the team last 378 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: year and didn't get the ball much, but he put 379 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: himself back on the NFL radar by performing well at 380 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and at Michigan's Pro Day. The Bengals 381 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: final pick in the seventh round was edge rusher Wyatt 382 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: Hubert from Kansas State. He's sixty three, two hundred and 383 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: fifty eight pounds and had eight and a half sacks 384 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: last year and seven the year before. Draft guru Dane 385 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: Bruegler describes him as a productive, football obsessed rusher. So 386 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: that's the rundown on the Bengals seven picks on Day three. 387 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: Now time for an overview of the draft with my 388 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: broadcast partner Dave Lapham. All Right, lap to twenty twenty 389 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: one draft is completed for the Bengals. They wound up 390 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: with ten picks. They went for five offensive players, four 391 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: defensive players, and one specialist. How did they do? I 392 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: think pretty well, you know, you look at you look 393 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: at what they did in terms of it perceived weaknesses, 394 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: and that's at the line of scrimmage. Offensive and defensive 395 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: line got to beef those up. They basically were riddled 396 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: with injury last year and they found out they didn't 397 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: have good enough players as as depth players, and they 398 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: were literally signing guys off the street, and uh and 399 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: it didn't work out well. So four defensive linemen, three 400 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: offensive linemen out of their ten draft picks in the 401 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: same draft. In the twenty twenty draft, they went three linebackers. 402 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,479 Speaker 1: So they have in the last two drafts, you know, 403 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: given given heavy loads in terms of picks to specific 404 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: positions on their on their football team. And I think 405 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: lou and Rumo when when he talked to us very well, 406 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: you know, free we addressed the back end in the draft. Here, 407 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: we've addressed the front end. And obviously in twenty nine, 408 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: the year before a draft, the linebacker position addressed the 409 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: linebacker position the draft. So I mean it's time it's 410 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 1: time to hopefully, you know, benefit from the fruits of 411 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: all that labor, that's for sure. Let's talk about the 412 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: big trade they made in Round two, dropping back eight 413 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 1: spots and picking up two seconds two extra fourth round 414 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 1: draft picks from the New England Patriots. Right now, that 415 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: looks like the key to this entire draft for the 416 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: Bengals because they got three players that were all ranked 417 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: in Pro football focuses top one O nine. Jackson Carmen 418 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: was forty nine according to Pro Football Focus. They got 419 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: him with a forty sixth pick. Tyler Shelvin, the massive 420 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: nose tackle from LSU, is ninety six according to Pro 421 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: Football Focus. They got him at number one twenty two. 422 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: Deante Smith, the offensive lineman from East Carolina, number one 423 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,719 Speaker 1: O nine according to Pro Football Focus. They got him 424 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: at number one thirty nine. So all of that for 425 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: moving back eight spots. Yeah, and Dan, I you know, 426 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: I was okay, you trade down with number five. Well, 427 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: you know, you don't necessarily want to give up one 428 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: of the premier players in the draft. And they probably 429 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: didn't have much activity where they would move down to 430 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: because they weren't going to move very far they want. 431 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: They had three players identified. One of them went before 432 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,479 Speaker 1: their fifth pick, but the other guys they didn't want 433 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,959 Speaker 1: to trade down out of being able to get one 434 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: of them, so they did it in the second round. 435 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: And it's and I thought it was why because they 436 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: traded down to get two additional picks part and soul 437 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,959 Speaker 1: of the draft, right where the meat and potatoes were, 438 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: where the rubber meets the road, you know, in the draft, 439 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: and to get the players that they got. I think 440 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: it's going to work out well. I mean, obviously we 441 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: don't know until they put shoulder pads and helmets on 442 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: to start playing. But you look at that and if 443 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: they hadn't made that trade, they identified a kicker that 444 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: they were very comfortable. And when Darren Simmons speaks, I 445 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: think he's got enough credibility built up for all these 446 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,479 Speaker 1: years that people are going to listen. And you know 447 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: when he said, McPherson's the real deal. There are a 448 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: few teams. We're going to spend a sixth round pick 449 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: on him. The Bengals, because of the three four US 450 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: used a fifth round pick on him. And wouldn't have 451 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: shocked me if they said, hey, you know what, we 452 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: have the kicker and another player rated about the same. 453 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: But the kicker is going to put points on the board. 454 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: We'd really like to have them. We have a need there. 455 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: Let's let's let the chips fall as they may. Maybe 456 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: they got the player later on in the draft, maybe 457 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: they didn't who they had rated equal to him. But 458 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: it happens every year. You have two players, you choose one, 459 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: and the following round you get that guy that you 460 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: had rated right up there with the other player. And 461 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: it happens with a lot of teams throughout the entire league, 462 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: up and down. So I think that that trade, you know, 463 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: gave them a lot of flexibility during the course of 464 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: the heart and soul of the draft. For sure. I 465 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,719 Speaker 1: think if Jamar Chase stays healthy, everybody expects him to 466 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: excel in the NFL. He's just seems to be such 467 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: a can't miss type prospect. I think a lot of 468 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: people are going to wind up evaluating this draft based 469 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: on how Jackson Carmen turns out, since you've got the 470 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: obvious need on the offensive line and he was their 471 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: first offensive lineman selected. You interviewed former Bengals offensive line 472 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: coach Paul Alexander on your podcast a few weeks ago. 473 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: I spoke to him after the selection of Jackson Carmen 474 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 1: on Friday night. Here's the quote from Paul Alexander. I 475 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: saw him as a first round pick. I know that 476 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: mel Kiper and friends probably had him lower, but too bad. 477 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: I think it's legitimate. I think he's a steal. The 478 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: more that you learn about Jackson Carmen, what do you think. 479 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: Not only Paul Alexander had that comment to me when 480 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: I asked about Jackson Carmen, other people around the league 481 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,239 Speaker 1: that I trust had that comment as well. Late you know, 482 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: later first round, worst case are very early second round. 483 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: And that was a big consensus. I mean, you know, 484 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: not just majority by one boat. That was a consensus 485 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: of with quite a few people and two others that 486 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: aren't you know, affiliated with team in the league or 487 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: whatever that do Sims Boys Christ and Phil Simms. They 488 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: both felt the same way about Jackson Carmen, and that, 489 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: you know, the people that they had talked to around 490 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: the league, which would be different people and I talked 491 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: to around the league. I'm sure they felt like Jackson 492 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: Carmen was that type of a prospect. So a guy 493 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: that big to have that kind of agility and that 494 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: kind of athleticism. I think I think that he's a 495 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 1: he's a plug in play right guard, and I think potentially, 496 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: depending on what happens with Riley Reef, he's only under 497 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 1: contract for a year. Wouldn't shock me if in twenty 498 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: twenty two kicks out the right tackle like Andrew Whitworth 499 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: did in the early stage of his career left guard 500 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: they had Levi Jones League, he gets hurt, kicks out. 501 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: You know, Carmen maybe starts at the right guard spot 502 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: initially and god forbid injury, but there's an injury that 503 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: may may change. Or if he plays the whole year 504 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 1: at right guard and then he's ready maybe to assume 505 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: the right tackle position the following year, you know, and 506 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: then I think you go and you say, hey, Deante Smith, 507 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: what about that guy. I think he's a developmental prospect 508 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: of the left tackle position. I think that's his best position. 509 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying he can't play right but you know, 510 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: it's it's best man wins. You know, It's it's like 511 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: I hope General Williams goes out and has an All 512 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: Pro year. You need to have at least three tackles. 513 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: They've got to love to have four. But you know, 514 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: every game day as we know, Dan, there's a few 515 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: as seven offensive lineman activated, and you know, if you 516 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: get up to nine, that's a huge number. It's usually 517 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: seven or eight. So guys have to have position versatility 518 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: and that The interesting thing is the common denominator with 519 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: all these guys that they drafted for defensive line and 520 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: three offensive lineman, with the exception of the of the 521 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: behemoth that they dropped it out of LSU to play 522 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: nose tackle. He's not gonna Shelbon's not gonna play, you know, 523 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: a defensive end for you, that guy, that guy's pretty 524 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: much a he's a one technique or a three technique 525 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,719 Speaker 1: guy though potentially. But you've got a lot of position 526 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: versatility with your offensive and defensive line and edge rush 527 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: guys that can drop a linebackers. I think that they 528 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: did it. They did a pretty good job in that 529 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: area twelve as well, in the players showing that they 530 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 1: can play more than one position, and that's a must 531 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: in today's NFL. It really is. They treated edge rusher 532 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: this year exactly the way they treated linebacker last year. 533 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: Third round last year, Logan Wilson this year, Joseph Asai 534 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: fourth round last year, a Keem Davis Gather this year, 535 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: Cam Sample last pick last year, Marcus Bailey this year. 536 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: Why at Hubert So, I don't know if there's a 537 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: direct correlation. We did it, it worked, Let's do it again. 538 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: I don't think, you know, it's it's a direct formula 539 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: that they were following. But it is interesting that they, 540 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: you know, devoted thirty percent of the draft of that position. 541 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: I agree with that, Dan, and I think that the 542 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: one thing that they did something. They may have different 543 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: body types and different kinds of strengths, weaknesses or whatever 544 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: within the body types, but the one thing they all 545 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: have they all play like their hairs on fire. You know, 546 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: we talked about it before. They wanted guys like Sam 547 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: Hubbard and Hendrickson, who are effort guys. I mean, they're 548 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: gonna empty the effort bucket every single snap, and the 549 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: three guys they've added are going to do that. I mean, 550 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: if they get beaten, it's not going to be lack 551 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,719 Speaker 1: for lack of trying. You know, I can tell you 552 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: that right now. There may be a mistake made or 553 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: whatever the case may be, but it's it's not going 554 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: to be because it was lack of one hundred percent 555 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: all out given everything you've got. If you're gonna make 556 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: a mistakes, as the old coaching saying goes, make sure 557 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: you make it one hundred percent and so you can 558 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: live with those kind of mistakes. And that's what that's 559 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: what they're going to have in that on that edge. 560 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: But Mark Dufferin did an awesome job I think in 561 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: in quote recruiting these guys as such or laying the foundation, 562 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: because every guy that talked to talk to us on 563 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: their zoom pressors after they were drafted, they all talked 564 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: about how impressed they were with coach Duffner, you know, 565 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: when they were dealing with him. So he did a 566 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: nice job in terms of identifying, in laying the found 567 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: work foundation and groundwork to get these guys in the 568 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,239 Speaker 1: fold and uh, you know, start to teach him some 569 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: of the concepts that are important here in Cincinnati. So 570 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: it's going to be very interesting. I think there at 571 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: various stages. I think some have more ability. It's interesting 572 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: to me. I think Aside probably obviously has the most 573 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: row ability and he got drafted where he got drafted 574 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: with that reason. But Hubert Hubert's got a plan. Hubert 575 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: Hubert is a is a is a football junk. He's 576 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: possessed by the game, and he looks at he breaks 577 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: tight down, he finds Frank's witnesses. He has multiple moves, 578 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: he's got a game plan, and the coach is basically 579 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: the last year the hu was plan. They said, you 580 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: just figured out, you find what you think you know, 581 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: the mismatch up and down the line school, We'll let 582 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: you rush anywhere. So I think this kid's pretty darn 583 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: advanced as far as those things go. I may be 584 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: in the minority, but I love the selection of Evan 585 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: McPherson the kicker in the fifth round. It's been so 586 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: long since the Bengals had an elite kicker, maybe early 587 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: Mike Nugent, maybe have to go back to Shane Graham. 588 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: But when you're in a division where you see Justin 589 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: Tucker twice a year and you realize the difference that 590 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: a great kicker can make, it makes you want one 591 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: that much more. And who knows if he'll turn out 592 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: to be that good, but certainly, based on his track 593 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: record with the Florida Gators, they've got a chance at 594 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: least to have an elite kicker for the first time 595 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: in a long time. You know, it gives you and 596 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: as a teammate, when you've got a guy that's got 597 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,719 Speaker 1: a Howardser hanging off his right hip, as soon as 598 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: you cross the midfield, if you're on offense, you're like, yeah, 599 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: we're in range. Let's see what we can get done here. 600 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: We're already in. It takes so much pressure off because oh, yeah, 601 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: we're good, we're in range already. Let's let's try to 602 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: finalize this. Somebody go make a play. Let's let's let's 603 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: make sure we get seven instead of three. We got 604 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: three on the board right now. And you know, talking 605 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: talking about the cold weather and that sort of thing. 606 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: You know, when you when you have a guy that's 607 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: a dominant kicker, no no doubt, it affects the ball. 608 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's pure science. The cold weather, you know, 609 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: it compresses the football, affects the ball. He expands the football. 610 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: The cold weather compresses the football, and it's like kicking 611 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: a rock, you know, the colder it gets. But a 612 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,719 Speaker 1: guy that's got the lake strength, you don't lose as 613 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: much distance with a guy like that. You know, It's 614 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: it's not like you fell off a cliff. In terms 615 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: of boy our range with our kicker is from the 616 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: fifty one yard line. Uh, you know, when it's at 617 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: the end of the preseason or early stage age of 618 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: the regular season. But boy man, we start to get 619 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: into November and December, maybe forty five yardline if we're lucky. 620 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's a tough thing to deal with. 621 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, when you have a guy that's uh, you 622 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: know that that much better, You know that that much 623 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: better physically, it's a big factor. It affects field position, 624 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: it affects decision making, it affects all that stuff. And 625 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: not to mention kickoffs. I mean, Tucker can intimidate you 626 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: the way he can boom it through the end zone 627 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: for a touchback, or he can hang it up to 628 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: Pluto and the kickoff coverage team is and you know, 629 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: if you can't fair catch it, you can't take a 630 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: chance to let to hit, so you have to return it. 631 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: And you know they're gonna opinion inside the twenty yard line, 632 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: you know. And so the kickers that have that type 633 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: of an effect on a football game, that affect you know, 634 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: how many first downs you have to get, how close 635 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: you have to get before you decide you're going to 636 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: try and attempt the field goal. I mean, there's there's 637 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: a big ripple effect when you have a guy that good. 638 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: I agree, there are no cornerbacks in this draft. There 639 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: are no safeties in this draft. There no linebackers. There 640 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: was only one wide receiver. Running backs drafted late. So 641 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: certainly those positions will be addressed among the undrafted free agents. 642 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: But was there anything lacking out of those spots. Did 643 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: you feel like, wow, and they probably should have used 644 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: draft capital on one of those positions, you know, not 645 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: really because it was it would hit so hard, you know, 646 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: in free agency, and I mean they remade the back 647 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: end twice two years in a row, basically in free agency. 648 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: Yet I just think the one thing I'm sure they're 649 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: going to sign in terms of a college free agent, 650 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: if it's a wide receiver or a running back or 651 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: a corner whatever it is, is a guy that has 652 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: kick return abilities. I think, you know, Darren's gonna want 653 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: to have a little competition, you know, as far as 654 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: as far as that's concerned back, there a punt return, 655 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: kick return, particularly return with Ericson you know signing with 656 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: the Houston Texans, so you know, I think that that's 657 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: going to be a little bit of a factor in 658 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: terms of who they bring in from a college free 659 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: agent standpoint, but I you know, Giovanni Bernard moving on, 660 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 1: they made the decision to make the picks that they made, uh. 661 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: And Chris Evans is a guy that is was the 662 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: best player available on the board at that time in 663 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: the sixth round. And he's a guy that can run 664 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: routes and catch the football and maybe be you know, 665 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: the next generation of Giovanni Bernard. So they were really 666 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: high on him. You know, obviously he had had his issue, 667 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: self inflicted issue that he had to deal with from 668 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: a diversity standpoint, but he stood up and like a 669 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 1: man and said, you know, he didn't try to blame 670 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: it on anybody else and curl up and assume the fish. 671 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: And he just went to work literally three jobs and 672 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: you know, doing everything he could to make sure that 673 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: that he did right by everybody. And now here he 674 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 1: is in the National Football League getting this chance. So 675 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,439 Speaker 1: you root for guys like that. We're a second chance 676 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: society and this guy obviously is his atone for his 677 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 1: mistake and I'd like to see him have a hell 678 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,720 Speaker 1: of a career. And that was apparently an academic issue 679 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: at Michigan, So it was not a drug suspension or 680 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 1: a legal problem. Apparently it was academic related, so certainly 681 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: not something that would be a huge red flag. Yeah, 682 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: my understanding was a plagiarism deal. And you know that's 683 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 1: even you make mistakes. Young people make mistakes, and you 684 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: know you and that, but you know, to me, that's 685 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: a mistake. Cheating is a mistake, there's no question about it. 686 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: But it's not something that you end the guy's life for, 687 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, his professional careers, professional life, and he's learned 688 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: from it, and he's moved on and he's he's in 689 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: a much better place right now. Obviously, that's for sure. 690 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: You know who I think might be a winner out 691 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: of this draft for the Bengals, Josh Bines. They didn't 692 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: take any linebackers. He's still unsigned. I wonder if this 693 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,879 Speaker 1: increases the likelihood that they bring him back for another year. Yeah, 694 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 1: that's a good point, Dan, because you talk to any 695 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: one of the young linebackers and they just they rave 696 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: about you know, he's like an assistant coach on the field. 697 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: So the guys, a lot of these young linebackers they 698 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 1: drafted last year year one to year two. Again, it's 699 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: not for everybody, but I can atone a test of 700 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: the fact that you do start to see the game 701 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: a little bit differently. The game is a lot more clear, 702 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,399 Speaker 1: it slows down, there's there's a lot of things that 703 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,760 Speaker 1: you know, you take from your rookie year experience built quickly. 704 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: So did they feel like they still need that influence? Probably, 705 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, And unless they feel players just dropped off 706 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: the face of earth, I think you're right. I think 707 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: you'll probably benefit from that. I would not be surprised though, 708 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 1: to see college free agent or at that position group. 709 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question about that. Whatever positions, 710 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: they didn't draft anybody four, they will go out and 711 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: sign at least one undrafted free agent. Yeah, there will, 712 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: there's no question. And you know, and that includes the 713 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 1: tight end position, safety and includes all of them, just 714 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 1: if for nothing else, to have bodies out there. I 715 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 1: can remember one year where Mike McCormick got up in 716 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,919 Speaker 1: front of us as an offensive line because we looked 717 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: around the room at training camp and there are only 718 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: nine of us, you know, and it's and he stands out. 719 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: I think it was nine, maybe it was eight, might 720 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,439 Speaker 1: be eight. And he stands up, he goes, congratulations, men, 721 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 1: you've all made the team. That's the good news. The 722 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: bad news that's when we had two days full pads. 723 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it was brutal. As bad news is. You 724 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: guys are. It's gonna be survival of the best. The finish, 725 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: It's gonna be Darwini. Isn't matter the best whoever can 726 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,839 Speaker 1: make it through training camp and hopefully have all you 727 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: guys to the start of the regular season because there's 728 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: no reps being divided out to anybody else. You guys 729 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: were taking them all. And that was a long, tough 730 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 1: training camp, you know, was brutal. So it has been 731 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: an eventful stretch for Bengals fans. The uniforms were revealed, 732 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: the draft has now completed. Pretty soon there will be 733 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: voting for the other two members of the initial Ring 734 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,720 Speaker 1: of Honor class and then before you know it, training camp. 735 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: I'm telling you it's it's going to be upon us 736 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: before anybody can blink twice. And the numbers, the participation 737 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,439 Speaker 1: in the viewership and the number of hits in terms 738 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: of social media television however you digital, how have you 739 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: got your draft information? I guess the numbers were crazy. 740 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: Commissioner Goodell kept saying, you know that there are stupid 741 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: numbers in terms of interest in the draft and the 742 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: number of people that showed up at Cleveland to witness 743 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: it and to be outside and and be part of 744 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 1: the draft of the National Football League. It was turned 745 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,439 Speaker 1: into quite an event. There's no doubt about it. Man. 746 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:13,280 Speaker 1: I know we've talked about it a lot. Dan, would 747 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 1: you like the Roger Goodell chair for your family room 748 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: or living room after after I disinfected? Take it through 749 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: the car wad. There were so many different butts that chair, man. 750 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: I don't think my wife's limb, but let me bring 751 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 1: it in the house. That's going to do it. For 752 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: this episode of the Bengals Booth Podcast, brought to you 753 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: by bud Light, Seltzer refreshed the game. If you haven't 754 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,720 Speaker 1: done so already, please subscribe and if you have a minute, 755 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: give it a rating or share a comment that helps 756 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: more Bengals fans find this podcast. I'm Dan Horde, and 757 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,279 Speaker 1: thank you for listening to The Bengals Booth Podcast.