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Speaker 1: and Albert Breer for the Monday Morning Quarterback. With all
Speaker 1: the coaching changes, including one we had yesterday. The Giants
Speaker 1: are a proud franchise, but they've missed the playoffs in
Speaker 1: nine of the last ten seasons. Yesterday they parted ways
Speaker 1: with Joe Judge and I wondered about this yesterday that
Speaker 1: he survived Black Monday. Well, this is the thing that happened.
Speaker 1: I think the Giants started to put out feelers of
Speaker 1: who would like to be the general manager. Well, if
Speaker 1: you're a general manager going into that city with that
Speaker 1: fan base and you already have your coach pick for you,
Speaker 1: no thanks. And I think what the Giants had to
Speaker 1: take a second look at is we got to make
Speaker 1: this job attractive. And if we're going to make it attractive,
Speaker 1: then we have to let a GM pick his own coach.
Speaker 1: Joe Judge to me, wasn't ready for this moment. Now,
Speaker 1: this is another one of those Belichick coaching trees and
Speaker 1: it doesn't work out. And part of this job, this
Speaker 1: is why it's so difficult when you're trying to bring
Speaker 1: in somebody, how do you handle the media. It's one
Speaker 1: of those things where, hey, football wise, I'm okay, he's
Speaker 1: a positions coach, he's a special teams coach. He's not
Speaker 1: dealing with the media. And then we saw how he
Speaker 1: dealt with the media. He was a disaster. And then
Speaker 1: he gave that eleven minute rant the other day and
Speaker 1: I went, no, stop, he's watched too many damn movies.
Speaker 1: This is how a football coach is supposed to act.
Speaker 1: He might be a successful coach one day, but you
Speaker 1: got to be able to be you're representing the organization.
Speaker 1: You got to go in there and be chill. You know,
Speaker 1: you can be Dan Campbell, but that's how Dan Campbell
Speaker 1: played like nobody knows. Joe Judge, Hey, he was there
Speaker 1: with Belichick. Great. I mean this is like if anybody
Speaker 1: came in contact with Sean McVay, you hired them. Anybody
Speaker 1: who's worked with Bill Belichick, you hire them. Well, they're
Speaker 1: good with Belichick, but they haven't been good normally on
Speaker 1: their own. And Joe Judge to me, wasn't ready for
Speaker 1: that market. You gotta be ready to go handle the media,
Speaker 1: not freak out, not act like you're coaching Pop Warner, Hey,
Speaker 1: this is old school. Old school not working. Didn't work.
Speaker 1: And I thought that the Giants probably brought in some
Speaker 1: of these candidates from what I'm told, and some of
Speaker 1: the candidates said, look, we would want to pick our
Speaker 1: own head coach. Why would I want to come in
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden go all right, I guess
Speaker 1: I gotta take this guy. While I also have to
Speaker 1: find a running back, maybe a quarterback I got a
Speaker 1: total rebuild here, unless you go, hey, Joe Judge, I
Speaker 1: love what I saw and he went ten and twenty
Speaker 1: three in his two years. But this could be an
Speaker 1: attractive opening for the job because now you're hiring a
Speaker 1: new GM. It's a major market. They got multiple first
Speaker 1: round picks. The roster isn't good. You have a question
Speaker 1: market quarterback, question market running back. I know you went out,
Speaker 1: you brought in some wide receivers, but you got a
Speaker 1: clean slate here, and ownership is going to have to
Speaker 1: be patient. But the Giants not making the playoffs. It's
Speaker 1: hard to not make the playoffs in nine of the
Speaker 1: last ten years. It truly is. But the Giants, maybe
Speaker 1: they make a wise decision here, Maybe they get the
Speaker 1: sharp GM, because it used to be the Giants didn't
Speaker 1: make mistakes. They hired the right guy. But they I've
Speaker 1: been on a really bad role and it's not one
Speaker 1: of those where they go, yeah, they missed on that one.
Speaker 1: This is habit forming. They've made some really really bad mistakes.
Speaker 1: And Dave Gettlman wasn't sold on him as a GM.
Speaker 1: Now they ask him to retire, and now you bring
Speaker 1: in a new GM and they miss Eli Manning. I'm
Speaker 1: going to guess, but yeah, you start to look at
Speaker 1: this organization. I mean, there are a couple of organizations,
Speaker 1: the Steelers, Giants, hackers, like the old school that they
Speaker 1: got it right. I mean, look at what the Steelers do.
Speaker 1: They hire a coach and they let him coach. They
Speaker 1: do a good job in drafting. Now there's certain organizations
Speaker 1: that they just do it right, and the Giants used
Speaker 1: to be one of those organizations. But Joe Judge is out,
Speaker 1: and this was a day after everybody else got fired.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if they were laying in gauging
Speaker 1: the reaction. Now, you can't the Giants organization could not
Speaker 1: be surprised at the reaction that you didn't fire Joe Judge.
Speaker 1: You can't go, oh my god, they're surprised we didn't
Speaker 1: fire him. If that's the case, then you deserve to
Speaker 1: be a laughing stock right now. Certain organizations they make mistakes,
Speaker 1: but they don't have good ownership or front office. The
Speaker 1: Giants shouldn't be making these kind of mistakes. And I
Speaker 1: said this a couple of weeks ago. People thought I
Speaker 1: was crazy. I said, I'd rather have the Jets future
Speaker 1: than the Giants and then you go, yeah, probably, so
Speaker 1: I feel a little better about that, not a lot,
Speaker 1: but a little better. It's like the Giants feel like
Speaker 1: the Jets, the old Jets, and that's part of the
Speaker 1: problem here. You don't want to be compared to the Jets.
Speaker 1: But I feel like the Jets have a little bit
Speaker 1: more of the future is not brighter, it's just not
Speaker 1: as dim because right now the Giants and that opening.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to Albert Breer the Monday morning quarterback. How
Speaker 1: attractive is this job? And really it comes down to
Speaker 1: this ownership and who's my quarterback? Like do I have
Speaker 1: cap room? Do I what's my draft capital? But I
Speaker 1: need to know who my quarterback is first and foremost.
Speaker 1: That's what I would want to know. Now you also
Speaker 1: a factor in the market, the ownership. Then you throw
Speaker 1: in everything else of how long would it take for
Speaker 1: the rebuild, how much patience We're only given coaches two
Speaker 1: years now, some of the great coaches in history would
Speaker 1: not have been some of the great coaches in history
Speaker 1: if we only gave them two years. Mike Shashevski would
Speaker 1: not be the greatest college basketball coach of all time.
Speaker 1: John Wooden wouldn't be the greatest or one of the
Speaker 1: greatest coaches of all time. Like you got to have
Speaker 1: patience if you believe that person is the right person.
Speaker 1: I just want to know when did the Giants organization
Speaker 1: go now we have to make a change, Like it
Speaker 1: was it the third and nine inside your ten yard
Speaker 1: line where you lined up in a victory drill. Was
Speaker 1: it maybe the eleven minute rant he had in a
Speaker 1: press conference. Maybe it was just winning teen I mean,
Speaker 1: they were horrible in the second half of the season.
Speaker 1: I think they averaged less than ten points per game.
Speaker 1: And that used to be but probably still is the
Speaker 1: toughest ticket in New York. But I'm watching that game,
Speaker 1: this game this past weekend, and there was nobody there.
Speaker 1: I don't know what their future is with se Quon Barkley.
Speaker 1: I would not give him another contract. Daniel Jones, have
Speaker 1: I seen enough? I've seen enough both ways. That's part
Speaker 1: of the problem. I can see that there's potential there,
Speaker 1: but I can also see, man, can he be nondescript,
Speaker 1: he can be pedestrian. I'm not going to pay him.
Speaker 1: And it's the has and the have nots. The haves
Speaker 1: are getting a whole lot of money. The have nots.
Speaker 1: We gotta let you go. It's the Mitchell Trubisky, Marcus Mariotto,
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston. That's what it's come down to now with
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks, because these agents, who I'm sure brighter than me,
Speaker 1: never thought about going. How about we just do a
Speaker 1: deal for thirty million a year. We don't have to
Speaker 1: go for forty five. We want to help the team,
Speaker 1: and you could probably secure a long term contract that way.
Speaker 1: No next guy up forty five million. See uh, maybe
Speaker 1: something in between might work for some of these quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: like Baker Mayfield, he could use one of these. Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones could use one of these if he's willing to
Speaker 1: sign it. But I would not be paying an inordin
Speaker 1: amount of money for either of those quarterbacks, a lot
Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks. All Right, Todd has the poll question
Speaker 1: responsibilities today. I failed epically yesterday, But I'm back, okay?
Speaker 1: Are we okay? Today? You seem like you're a lot
Speaker 1: better movie. Yeah, we're Yesterday where you said that you
Speaker 1: were moping and that I piled on and I hurt
Speaker 1: your feeling. I moped early on, maybe through the first hour,
Speaker 1: early second hour, and then I think I rallied, I
Speaker 1: might saying I did anything great the rest of the
Speaker 1: show yesterday, but I rallied a certain extent. I think
Speaker 1: you were a moby Dick yesterday and last Yes, really yes,
Speaker 1: I thought by the middle of the second hour, moby Dick,
Speaker 1: which trying to give you credit on that. Yes, MOPy Dick,
Speaker 1: that's you, not a T shirt. Here we go, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm a hired off the email right now
Speaker 1: here we go, moby Dick. Right there, Todd's face. You
Speaker 1: have poll questions? We do? How was last night? How
Speaker 1: was yesterday? When you got home? I was actually okay.
Speaker 1: I was a little quiet, and my wife asked me
Speaker 1: what was wrong, and I said everything's fine. And I
Speaker 1: didn't get into eddy details because I was in a
Speaker 1: little little cranky mood. And then I was okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I did send you a tax last night? You did? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so somebody about I should stop moping. And then it
Speaker 1: was like a picture of like a crying emoji or
Speaker 1: something like that. I'm sure that helps you, no, But
Speaker 1: then I said, it's just content. It's just content that
Speaker 1: that I felt bad if you thought I piled on yesterday,
Speaker 1: but I gave you the responsibility to come up with
Speaker 1: pole questions. Right, yes, so I am embracing it, even
Speaker 1: though I dropped the ball yesterday. Okay, yeah, I'll try
Speaker 1: to pull it. I felt bad that you felt bad.
Speaker 1: Kind of a card. He didn't feel bad that Todd
Speaker 1: felt bad. Well I did. When when he at the
Speaker 1: very end of the show and I said you all right,
Speaker 1: he goes, yeah, yeah, I'm right, He goes, you hurt
Speaker 1: my feelings. I go, he actually said that phrase. Yes.
Speaker 1: I think it was like fifteen seconds before I was
Speaker 1: going to do the scoreboard. He was standing next to me,
Speaker 1: and You're making some small talk about what the numbers
Speaker 1: might be, trying to guess, and I'm like, I'm a
Speaker 1: little mad at you right now. I'm a little upset
Speaker 1: with you. I think I said, yeah, he said, you're
Speaker 1: hurt my feelings, and I go, I'm sorry. So I
Speaker 1: was sincerely, genuinely sorry. And then three seconds later, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Chris from Chapel Hill, congratulations on the school.
Speaker 1: I went and right into the scoreboards seconds before. That's
Speaker 1: why you don't see sometimes behind the scenes. Well, you're
Speaker 1: an incredible professional. I just went right from telling you
Speaker 1: upside I was to bang, let's do this, okay, do
Speaker 1: you got and this is what if you want to
Speaker 1: lean on the audience, And I asked them that, or
Speaker 1: lean on anybody I've here's the problem. I like when
Speaker 1: they contribute limericks and no headlines. You know how this works.
Speaker 1: When I said I can get Adam Sandler and David
Speaker 1: Spade to write you some comedy so you can do
Speaker 1: your stand up, you go no, I'd rather just do
Speaker 1: it on my own. But it's not because I didn't
Speaker 1: think that they would be a million times better than me.
Speaker 1: To me, it felt like I think Seaton backed me
Speaker 1: able to It feels like cheating a little bit, like
Speaker 1: you're just kind of delivering other people's jokes instead of
Speaker 1: you being the originator of the material. You know it
Speaker 1: just it seems like come up with your own stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know even the best in the
Speaker 1: business have a team of writers in this. Yes, yes, no,
Speaker 1: that would have been weak. Do I have Sandler write it? Yeah? No? Yeah? No.
Speaker 1: Todd getting up there and doing it himself is is
Speaker 1: what was the fun part? Do you truly care about
Speaker 1: Todd then you wouldn't let him do No, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: putting Todd in the position to succeed and feel good
Speaker 1: in himself, and I feel like he took a shortcut.
Speaker 1: He didn't Todd. I would feel like that. I'd walk
Speaker 1: off the stage. They laughed at David Spade's jokes. Funny.
Speaker 1: I started into the microphone with Sam. Do you realize
Speaker 1: how many writers work for comedians? You don't realize till
Speaker 1: you watch the end of a special and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, all these credits of writers come down
Speaker 1: like fifty people. It's sitting there coming up with these ideas. Unbelievable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but walking off the stage with the first words they laughed, period,
Speaker 1: would be refreshing. Yeah and different. Who cares why? That
Speaker 1: is true? With Carolines, that was a long walk off
Speaker 1: the stage, right. If I could have had Sandler and
Speaker 1: Spade write some jokes for you, would you have done
Speaker 1: that in retrospect with what you did at Carolines and
Speaker 1: how that made you feel, or would you have done
Speaker 1: it your way? Strangely enough, I probably would have stuck
Speaker 1: to my guns selfishly or just being stubborn that I
Speaker 1: would want to write my own stuff at the risk
Speaker 1: of bombing, which I could have did Okay, poll question,
Speaker 1: but it would be awesome to say that. Wow, I
Speaker 1: delivered Adam Standler jokes. Okay, here we go. If your
Speaker 1: favorite NFL team hasn't fired their coach yet, should they
Speaker 1: yes or no? That was one thought, But I have
Speaker 1: a few more. Okay, you're excited about that one. How
Speaker 1: would you describe your current job status going off the
Speaker 1: board a little bit? Top recruits considering transfer, portal black
Speaker 1: Monday on horizon, time to retire. But that was kind
Speaker 1: of a fun one. And then we have one more,
Speaker 1: which is a Poli special. The best QB situation for
Speaker 1: a head coach was Team Bears, Broncos, Dolphins, Giants, Jags,
Speaker 1: Raiders now Vikings, I mean now Giants, Jack's Raiders Vikers
Speaker 1: now Giants. Okay, I like that one. Figures that I'll
Speaker 1: figuring you. Todd was up all night writing the first two.
Speaker 1: Just you know, I have this feeling if I said,
Speaker 1: here's a Poli special if your favorite NFL team has
Speaker 1: it invited their coach that should they yes? To no?
Speaker 1: That's kind of yeah, that's interesting. Should there be other
Speaker 1: coaches fired? But now that you know where they came from,
Speaker 1: you're a little biased. No, no, that's not a b
Speaker 1: I don't always take Pauli's poll. I do, though, what
Speaker 1: I could write fifteen of them? Then paul he says, what,
Speaker 1: I'm like that, and it's actually better than the fifteen. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, all right, right, I understand about we put
Speaker 1: it to the test tomorrow. Just come up with pole
Speaker 1: questions and don't tell me which one's Paulie's. Okay, I
Speaker 1: kind of like that. How would you describe your current
Speaker 1: job that could be done any that it's not? Why
Speaker 1: do you not care about? I don't care about so dismissive.
Speaker 1: That's why my feelings get hurt. I don't apologize for yesterday.
Speaker 1: You don't have to. You're the boss. You don't have
Speaker 1: to apologize for anything. What paul I just started missing mclovin.
Speaker 1: I mean, just right now. I was good the fast
Speaker 1: two weeks. So we're gonna go with the best QB
Speaker 1: situation for a head coachless team, and we're gonna list
Speaker 1: all seven. Let's take a break. We'll talk to Albert
Speaker 1: Brier about why the Giants fired Joe Judge and who
Speaker 1: are some of the possible candidates here. What is the
Speaker 1: best situation for a head coach coming into a organization.
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Speaker 1: up with the poll question. I believe we have the
Speaker 1: poll question that was supplied by Paulie. Fritzie's job is
Speaker 1: to give us an update on the results of that. Todd,
Speaker 1: once again, would you recite the poll question the best
Speaker 1: QB situation for a head coach list team, and they
Speaker 1: include these seven Bears, Broncos, Dolphins, Giants, Jaguars, Raiders, Vikings.
Speaker 1: Let's bringing Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist
Speaker 1: for the Monday Morning quarterback the best job opening based
Speaker 1: off the quarterback position, Albert, where would you start? He?
Speaker 1: It's easy. I want to see if you're an answer
Speaker 1: is the same as mine. Are you gonna say, Jacksonville? Yeah,
Speaker 1: just the quarterback situation, And that's what we're talking about, right,
Speaker 1: like the quarterback situation in a vacuum, without considering ownership,
Speaker 1: GM anything else, like just the quarterback himself. Yeah, you've
Speaker 1: got I think a guy who's still a generational prospect.
Speaker 1: Now there are people in the NFL that don't think
Speaker 1: as highly of him as they did a year ago,
Speaker 1: and there's some stuff that's shown up. I think, you
Speaker 1: know when you look at where Trevor is after a year,
Speaker 1: because he process as fast as he see it, as
Speaker 1: fast as you thought he might have coming out of Clemson.
Speaker 1: But the talent is still undeniable. And you've got three
Speaker 1: years left on his rookie contract, which means you're going
Speaker 1: to be playing from ahead for the next three years.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, I think it's a pretty easy
Speaker 1: number one. The Jaguars are the one, all right, Who's
Speaker 1: number two? So I got the list in front of me. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe Chicago, like It depends on what you
Speaker 1: think of justin fields. There's less of a consensus on
Speaker 1: justin fields than there was on Trevor Lawrence, so maybe Chicago,
Speaker 1: you see, it depends. It's like do you really like
Speaker 1: justin fields or do you want to have like a
Speaker 1: chance to go and make a take a big swing,
Speaker 1: you know, because I would argue, like you look at
Speaker 1: the Broncos and like just the fact that you've got
Speaker 1: like this like open canvas on which to create your
Speaker 1: own quarterback situation, and like you've got the opportunity. I
Speaker 1: think over the next you know, year or two, where
Speaker 1: they've got a lot of capital, they've got cap space,
Speaker 1: they've got young talent on the roster, and I know, like,
Speaker 1: you know, you look at and say, okay, well, Teddy
Speaker 1: Bridgewater and Drew Lock aren't who you're going to build around.
Speaker 1: But you know, I look at like the opportunity to
Speaker 1: maybe do what they did in twenty and twelve and
Speaker 1: take a gigantic swing on a quarterback as a real plus,
Speaker 1: you know. And I think you can make the argument too, Dan,
Speaker 1: they have a lot of the same things going for
Speaker 1: them that they had in twelve, like when they had
Speaker 1: the young receivers in twelve and Decker and Damarius Thomas.
Speaker 1: Right now, they've got Jerry Judy, kJ Camp, kJ Hamler,
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton and Tim Patrick. They've got a good young
Speaker 1: tight end and Noah Fan. You know, they've got some
Speaker 1: good young pieces on the offensive line. They've got Javonte
Speaker 1: Williams in the backfield, they've got pieces on defense, and
Speaker 1: Patrick's Urtan and Bradley Chubb. The same way you looked
Speaker 1: at it in twelve, where you know, it was again
Speaker 1: the receivers, it was guys like Julius Thomas, it was
Speaker 1: on defense, Von Miller and Chris Harris. You know, I
Speaker 1: think there's an attractive situation there for a veteran quarterback.
Speaker 1: So you know, I think if you like look at
Speaker 1: the current quarterback situation, the Broncos would be towards the
Speaker 1: bottom of the list. But if you're looking at what
Speaker 1: you can maybe make it into, I think they're way
Speaker 1: further up the list. Yeah. I think that's a sneaky team.
Speaker 1: But you're also playing in the AFC West as well.
Speaker 1: Why did the Giant's waited an extra day to fire
Speaker 1: Joe Judge. I think it was as much as anything else,
Speaker 1: seeing where the meetings took them. And you know, look,
Speaker 1: I do think ownerships become a little reactionary. There they're
Speaker 1: in a very like, I would say, unfamiliar spot they're
Speaker 1: used to be seeing as like the Steelers are, you know,
Speaker 1: like where they're this, you know, this flagship organization that
Speaker 1: doesn't operate in a herky jerky way, that doesn't make
Speaker 1: rash decisions. And I think for them, it took them
Speaker 1: some time to wrap their arms around the idea of firing,
Speaker 1: you know, a third straight coach after two years. Now
Speaker 1: consider this Dan and the eighty five years before two
Speaker 1: and sixteen when they hired Ben McAdoo. That only happened once.
Speaker 1: They'd only fired a coach after two years once. They've
Speaker 1: now done it three times in six years. So I
Speaker 1: think they want they had to wrap their arms around
Speaker 1: the idea of doing that, you know. And then I
Speaker 1: do think that there is some like taking the temperature
Speaker 1: of the room there and maybe even taking the temperature
Speaker 1: of you know, the outside and what it was and
Speaker 1: how people on the outside were digesting all of it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think you know, as recently as Friday
Speaker 1: or Saturday, I think John Marri's plan was to hold
Speaker 1: onto Joe Judge as as coach. And I just think
Speaker 1: the more he took the temperature of the room, the
Speaker 1: more he watched what happened on Sunday, the more he
Speaker 1: felt like to create what was an attractive situation for
Speaker 1: the next general manager and get the best guy to
Speaker 1: be a next general manager. He had to do what
Speaker 1: he wound up doing last night. Yeah, I was told
Speaker 1: yesterday that you know, one of the reasons why they
Speaker 1: probably waited a day is they took the temperature on
Speaker 1: candidates for the GM job, and you don't want to
Speaker 1: go into that job in that market and try to
Speaker 1: clean up that mess, and then you get leftovers as
Speaker 1: a head coach who may not be ready for that position. Well,
Speaker 1: perfect example, Dan is like what happened in Denver, right,
Speaker 1: Like I don't think Vic Fangio did a bad job
Speaker 1: this year. Like, no, they were fine. They were since
Speaker 1: he went seven and ten. You know, if you look
Speaker 1: at the way now, the offense wasn't great, but the
Speaker 1: defense was really good. You know, you saw the development
Speaker 1: of some young players there. Patrick's uten um, you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, contender for defensive Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 1: But you know the minute you hire George Peyton, you think, okay,
Speaker 1: like we're eventually going to bring in George Peyton's coach.
Speaker 1: Same thing, you know. You look at like Tennessee. They
Speaker 1: they hung on to Mike Mularkey for those two years
Speaker 1: and they wound up having to fire him after a
Speaker 1: winning season because John Robinson made the decision eventually, I've
Speaker 1: got to buy my own guy, and it really worked
Speaker 1: out for them. They went and got They went and
Speaker 1: got Mike Rabel. And so I think when you like
Speaker 1: hire a new GM, there's always that idea if you're
Speaker 1: hanging onto a coach, that coach is sort of walking
Speaker 1: the green mile, you know, And I just think it
Speaker 1: makes for a cleaner process if you're giving the GM
Speaker 1: an opportunity to pick his coach, and in a competitive
Speaker 1: market where they're going to be competing for candidates with Chicago,
Speaker 1: with Minnesota, having the opportunity to hire the coach the
Speaker 1: way the Bears and Vikings are going to offer that
Speaker 1: I think helps you out too. We're talking Albert Breer,
Speaker 1: senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist for the Monday Morning Quarterback.
Speaker 1: Has anybody talking to boomers science and on how he
Speaker 1: got to the moment where he is reading a text,
Speaker 1: not maybe sure who. The text is that Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: is going to boycott the super Bowl if the Packers
Speaker 1: make it to the super Bowl. I have no idea
Speaker 1: where that came from. I mean I would I would say, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I like Aaron's like one of those guys
Speaker 1: who likes to watch the world burn, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like, And I actually think for a good
Speaker 1: portion of you know, the offseason, from like January to July,
Speaker 1: I think he probably kicked back and spent a lot
Speaker 1: of that time in Hawaii and watches watched everybody obsess
Speaker 1: over him and watch the people you know in Green
Speaker 1: Bay like squirm like people that you know. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, he had obviously had issues with whether it's
Speaker 1: Brian goodacoonster Mark Murphy, watched them, you know, in uncomfortable
Speaker 1: positions and kind of like relished in that. And so like,
Speaker 1: the only explanation I can come up with is maybe
Speaker 1: he made the offhanded comment to somebody when he was
Speaker 1: pissed off, didn't really mean it. And then I mean,
Speaker 1: you know how these guys, these things work sometimes, you know, Dan,
Speaker 1: it can turn into a game of telephone, you know,
Speaker 1: where it goes from one person to the next to
Speaker 1: the next, and all of a sudden, now what might
Speaker 1: have been a joke to begin with becomes the truth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was kind of crazy, but it just feels like
Speaker 1: Aaron's crazy idea. I mean, like, for how long the
Speaker 1: guy has been I'd think about like eleven years, like
Speaker 1: like like how close they've gotten to getting back to
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. You remember the crazy game in Seattle
Speaker 1: when it looked like they were going, and like how
Speaker 1: close he's gotten the last few years? Last year, you know,
Speaker 1: like should he have run it in? Did he do
Speaker 1: the right thing? Like that fourth down decision? Like all
Speaker 1: these different things like he's been knocking on the door
Speaker 1: so long, and the idea that he would get there
Speaker 1: and be like screw it, like fu NFL, I'm going,
Speaker 1: I'm not playing. It's just I don't know if you
Speaker 1: don't believe any of that, There's there's no shred of
Speaker 1: truth in that. Now do I think like do I
Speaker 1: think like he thinks it's funny that like you know
Speaker 1: that that that for you know, twenty four hours, you
Speaker 1: know that got like that got traction. I think he
Speaker 1: probably does think that's funny, Like even though he gets
Speaker 1: like mad about it, like I do think he probably
Speaker 1: got to kick out of that. It's weird. It feels
Speaker 1: like he's an underdog and he's probably going to win
Speaker 1: the MVP. And it feels like Brady feels like an
Speaker 1: underdog because he's not gonna win the MVP. And you
Speaker 1: know how great players use any kind of motivation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Rogers has his motivation even though he's going to
Speaker 1: be decorated. Here's Brady saying, I had maybe the best
Speaker 1: year of my career or one of the best, and
Speaker 1: I'm forty four years of age and we didn't get
Speaker 1: I think if they got the number one seed, that
Speaker 1: Brady wins the mvpick, I think it. I know the
Speaker 1: shutout against the Saints hurt him greatly, Yeah, but it
Speaker 1: almost felt like whoever was going to get home field
Speaker 1: advantage between those two is going to win the MVP.
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. And like I think, like you
Speaker 1: look at Brady and the impact he's made on Tampa,
Speaker 1: like he's sort of become the program there, you know,
Speaker 1: And like I think if you went to their training
Speaker 1: camp for the last two years, you could really see
Speaker 1: it like there are so many tenants of who Brady is,
Speaker 1: of what Brady is that have sort of become what
Speaker 1: the Bucks are. And you look at the intensity of
Speaker 1: their practice and I remember talking to Bruce Arians and
Speaker 1: Jason Light about this in the summer. So like Tom
Speaker 1: like created like this atmosphere, this tension on offense that
Speaker 1: everything needs to be a certain way, and then that
Speaker 1: winds up carrying over to the defense because they're practicing
Speaker 1: that way, you know. And then Jason Pierre Paul on
Speaker 1: the defensive side sort of picked up the baton and says,
Speaker 1: we're going to hold ourselves to the standard too. It's
Speaker 1: just like and I think he was a huge part
Speaker 1: of that New England too, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: like like why they were that way in New England
Speaker 1: and you even see some of the details have slipped
Speaker 1: the last couple of years in New England. Like Brady
Speaker 1: creates that and so like his value to that franchise
Speaker 1: goes well beyond like just the umbers he's put up
Speaker 1: or where they are in the standings. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what Ba was getting at when he said that
Speaker 1: the other day. And even like the ability to bring
Speaker 1: like guys like Burchard Perriman and Cyril Grayson up and
Speaker 1: get them in position to produce. Like that's something we
Speaker 1: saw a lot of years in New England, right, Like
Speaker 1: the New England was always able to do that. And
Speaker 1: so I think Brady's value again like what BA was
Speaker 1: getting at goes well beyond. And then I think with
Speaker 1: Rogers is a great case. You know, no Zadarius Smith
Speaker 1: for most the year, no Ji year, Alexander he still
Speaker 1: hasn't played a game with his left tackle David back Trim.
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones was out for a time, like they have
Speaker 1: maintained their level going through a boatload of injuries. So
Speaker 1: both guys have a great, great case. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think it's those two in Joe Burrow for the MVP.
Speaker 1: That's the way I see it. Raiders still going to
Speaker 1: hire a coach even though they made the playoffs, so
Speaker 1: like they have I can tell you, like having talked
Speaker 1: to Mark Davis about this a couple of times, like
Speaker 1: he really wanted to give give Rich Bisaccia a fair shot,
Speaker 1: and um, they like if you go back like October November, December,
Speaker 1: the idea was, we want to give this guy a
Speaker 1: good run at at at being able to create like
Speaker 1: what he sees as his team. And I remember Mark
Speaker 1: Dave was saying this to me, like I asked where
Speaker 1: he's still He's like, Rich is the head coach of
Speaker 1: the Raiders, you know, saying that in a declarative way. Um,
Speaker 1: and you look like that. They're seven and five under him.
Speaker 1: You know, he got them turned around. They won a
Speaker 1: game right after the John Gruden email fiasco and his
Speaker 1: first game as the interim coach. They survived a one
Speaker 1: and five stretch in the middle of the season. They survived. Um.
Speaker 1: You know obviously that the Henry Ruggs thing has greater
Speaker 1: implications in football, but that was tough on the locker room,
Speaker 1: you know too. And they survived that. And so you know,
Speaker 1: I think you have every reason to look at Rich
Speaker 1: Bisacci and say, this guy deserves a chance to to
Speaker 1: to to have the job full time. And if you
Speaker 1: want to hang on to Mike Mayock. Mayock thinks the
Speaker 1: world of him. The locker room thinks the world of him.
Speaker 1: The one thing that I think the one caveat here
Speaker 1: is sort of the business side to this, right and
Speaker 1: building something in Vegas. And they had a lot of
Speaker 1: turnover on their business side in the summer dam you know,
Speaker 1: their longtime president Mark Badine wound up out and they're
Speaker 1: still reworking with the business side. What looks like I
Speaker 1: still I think there was this feel in the organization
Speaker 1: that they were going to take a big swing, and
Speaker 1: whether it was going and landing Jim Harbaugh or trying
Speaker 1: to work out some sort of coach trade. This is
Speaker 1: something I know wrote a couple months ago that like,
Speaker 1: would they make a swing for like a Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 1: I think that business aspect to it and being able
Speaker 1: to kind of be a player on the scene in
Speaker 1: Vegas was part of the thinking. Before the question is
Speaker 1: whether or not what rich Pisaccia has been able to
Speaker 1: do over the last three months is enough to supersede
Speaker 1: what you know, I think was the desire to kind
Speaker 1: of make a splash on the scene in Vegan. Okay,
Speaker 1: but explain this to me, if you're trading for Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 1: I hate I hate putting Mike Tomlin's name out there
Speaker 1: because we have because I like, you don't know if
Speaker 1: he exactly, but but when you trade a coach, it's
Speaker 1: not like you trade a player and a player may
Speaker 1: go I don't want to go, like Mike Tomlins they
Speaker 1: head coach to the Steelers. Could you could you trade
Speaker 1: him if he didn't want to go? No you can't, No, Okay, no,
Speaker 1: but no. But I mean, like, and you know, these
Speaker 1: things are always difficult and they have to sort of
Speaker 1: be put in place ahead of time, and um, and
Speaker 1: we haven't seen one in a long time. I think
Speaker 1: the last one was Gruden, right, like a Gruden from
Speaker 1: the Raiders to the Bucks. And obviously we saw it
Speaker 1: happen with Parcels and Belichick. Um. But yeah, this is
Speaker 1: something that like I had sort of been tracking for
Speaker 1: the last two or three months and it had come
Speaker 1: up with Sean Payton potentially with the Bears. And like
Speaker 1: you said, like I Sean Payton doesn't want to go
Speaker 1: to the Bears. So like I don't think that that
Speaker 1: like that that's the reason that one didn't get real traction. Um,
Speaker 1: but like you think about the idea of it, right,
Speaker 1: like and it sort of matches up what happened with
Speaker 1: what happened in college, like USC didn't go and higher
Speaker 1: like Nava as head coach or Washington State's head coach.
Speaker 1: They stole another blueblood's head coach. They stole Local Homa's
Speaker 1: head coach. Same thing with LSU. LSU didn't go and
Speaker 1: hire Billy Napier from Louisiana, they took Notre Dame's head coach.
Speaker 1: And so like, this idea has sort of gained traction
Speaker 1: in NFL circles over the last couple of months, especially
Speaker 1: with the pipeline on the coaching side a little dry,
Speaker 1: and so like, I do know that it's something a
Speaker 1: couple of teams at least have explored. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it would be complicated and difficult, but you know,
Speaker 1: I do know what teams were looking at was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: has Sean Payton reached his natural conclusion in New Orleans?
Speaker 1: Has Mike Tomlin reached his natural conclusion in Pittsburgh. That
Speaker 1: doesn't mean Tomlin wants to leave Pittsburgh. It doesn't mean
Speaker 1: Peyton wants to leave New Orleans. Is the teams are
Speaker 1: sort of trying to think outside the box and getting
Speaker 1: themselves to a place where it's like, could we do
Speaker 1: something that hasn't been done in a long time but
Speaker 1: was relatively routine in the late nineties and early odds.
Speaker 1: You have Peyton Mannings group and you have John Elways
Speaker 1: Group vying for, you know, ownership of the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1: How does how does this? How does the NFL do
Speaker 1: this with the bids approving the sale of does it
Speaker 1: go to Elways Group or Peyton Mannings Group. It's like
Speaker 1: I would say this, you know, like looking at the
Speaker 1: way that these things have been handled in my time
Speaker 1: covering the league, at least a big piece, this becomes
Speaker 1: like who the owners want in their club. And you know,
Speaker 1: generally when you look at these big decisions that are made,
Speaker 1: and it's great to have a guy like Peyton Manning
Speaker 1: on board or John Elway on board, but what the
Speaker 1: league really wants is like a billionaire who can invest
Speaker 1: back into the league. And that's what David Tepper was.
Speaker 1: David Tepper has endless resources. And there were other bidders.
Speaker 1: David Tepper wasn't I don't believe he was the high
Speaker 1: bidder on the Panthers. But like the league saw it
Speaker 1: as we want to have this guy in our club.
Speaker 1: This guy's going to be able to invest back and
Speaker 1: he's going to be a great resource in the room.
Speaker 1: When we're talking about like big picture league matters, um,
Speaker 1: you know, you look at the way the LA process went,
Speaker 1: Stan Cronky, like, did the Rams have the best case
Speaker 1: for leaving their city? No, the Raiders and Chargers both
Speaker 1: had better cases for leaving their city. But who was
Speaker 1: going to be able to build something spectacular in Los Angeles?
Speaker 1: Who was going to be able to invest the most?
Speaker 1: It was Stan Cronky And so like, you know, I
Speaker 1: know what you're saying, Dan, like, and we're all going
Speaker 1: to kind of latch onto, you know, always involved with
Speaker 1: these guys. Manning's involved with those guys. I think more
Speaker 1: the more more likely than anything else is that the
Speaker 1: NFL is going to be focused on whichever billionaire's funding
Speaker 1: the whole thing, and you know, like it's like who
Speaker 1: has the deepest pocket. But I would want to keep
Speaker 1: Manning on ESPN, Like, I think it's better for the
Speaker 1: league that he's a broadcaster analyst. I know that he
Speaker 1: has a bigger picture here, wants to be an owner.
Speaker 1: But as you're saying, it's not about who you are
Speaker 1: the name recognition, it's what what's the value you bring
Speaker 1: to this process with the other owners here, right? And
Speaker 1: I mean Manning is interesting because I think Manning does
Speaker 1: want to be involved on the football side, where Elway
Speaker 1: that ship has already sort of sailed, like he was,
Speaker 1: you know, willing and ready to hand the baton off
Speaker 1: to George Peyton in Denver. Manning is interesting just because
Speaker 1: I know, like when he went to Denver, one of
Speaker 1: the perks for him was like the idea of getting
Speaker 1: to see John Elway do it. And you know, he's
Speaker 1: always been really interested in like the transactions of the
Speaker 1: NFL and the way a team is built. And so
Speaker 1: you know, I'm with you, like I think like the
Speaker 1: league would probably look at it and say, like there's
Speaker 1: value and Manning in different areas, and I don't think
Speaker 1: we've seen like the full breadth of what you know,
Speaker 1: Manning is like second act in the NFL is going
Speaker 1: to be, you know, but certainly, Yeah, like you see,
Speaker 1: like he could be a really good broadcaster, there's no
Speaker 1: question about that. Or like he could wind up being
Speaker 1: a John Alway style team builder. I think both those
Speaker 1: things are in play for him. Always great to talk
Speaker 1: to you, Albert, Thanks for joining us. All right, Thanks Dan,
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Speaker 1: at twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen and Michael Jordan's Bulls of
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six, and he said, yeah, absolutely my team
Speaker 1: would win. Well, people are surprised at this or like
Speaker 1: what if he said no, we couldn't beat them. Now
Speaker 1: it's a story. Of course, his step is Steph's gonna
Speaker 1: bet on himself. But people running with this unless we're
Speaker 1: short on content. This week I was, I was surprised.
Speaker 1: Now do I think Golden State could beat the Bulls? Sure?
Speaker 1: I do. I would never bet against Michael Jordan. But
Speaker 1: if I look at the rosters here you got Steph
Speaker 1: and Clay and Draymond, and you got KD. Let's see
Speaker 1: who else do you have anybody of significance, Andre at
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Speaker 1: so it's it's it's a top heavy team. The Bulls
Speaker 1: back then had Mike and Scottie, Steve Kerr, Tony Ku coach.
Speaker 1: They also had Dennis Rodman, John Sally, Bill Wennington. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, you get into these discussions, these arguments, and
Speaker 1: you know, in my day, I think that Ron Harper
Speaker 1: was also on the Bulls. And the reason why I
Speaker 1: say that he was very good perimeter defender because that's
Speaker 1: what you have to have. What kind of defense do
Speaker 1: you have on the perimeter? And who was going to
Speaker 1: be able to guard Michael and do you have a
Speaker 1: rim protector? But you know, you start to get into
Speaker 1: these who would win? You know, Steve Kerr would be
Speaker 1: the guy that I would want to know. I would
Speaker 1: I would want to know what he would think because
Speaker 1: he he played on that team and he's coaching Golden State.
Speaker 1: He would he would be the guy that I would go, Okay, Steve,
Speaker 1: who do you think would win? Now He's not going
Speaker 1: to pick sides. Now, he might say I'll take this
Speaker 1: Golden State team because he still has Steph Clay and Draymond,
Speaker 1: but Kadi Katie would be a matchup nightmare for the Bulls.
Speaker 1: Now you could say Dennis Rodman you guard him, or
Speaker 1: Scotty you guard him. Nobody guards Durant. Now, do I
Speaker 1: think the perimeter defense with Scottie and Mike and Ron
Speaker 1: Harper would create a lot of problems for Clay and Steph? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: You know, Draymond with Dennis Rodman would be a fun matchup.
Speaker 1: You also have Tony Ku coach. So I don't think
Speaker 1: as much as I look at Steph Clay and Kevin
Speaker 1: Durant and go BLAT's pretty pretty great three, the Bulls
Speaker 1: were more than that because you did have Rodman who
Speaker 1: was still playing at a high level, Scottie, you had Michael,
Speaker 1: and then you throw in Tony Ku coach as well.
Speaker 1: And Ron Harper was a great addition on this team.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's also the era of what are
Speaker 1: we playing now? Would would that Bowls team? You know
Speaker 1: with today's rules, First of all, you can't You're not
Speaker 1: allowed to put your hand on Mike or any you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's first of all, he's gonna get forty at
Speaker 1: least if I put that Golden State team back in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six. It's a little different, a little bit
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