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Speaker 1: head coach Matt Naggie, a good friend of mine, knowing

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Speaker 1: absolute man uh that. There are actually a lot of

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Speaker 1: former colleagues of mine roaming around this place just to

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Speaker 1: watch Brett Veach talk this morning. I remember working with

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Speaker 1: aren't this nice? Now? In general? The combine, they're they're

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Speaker 1: pretty relaxed. Well. This morning, the quarterbacks weighed in, and

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Speaker 1: one knock. One of the most polarizing guys in this

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Speaker 1: for the Colin Coward Podcast Network. A a longtime friend.

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Speaker 1: I may live in the Bay Area, and I crushed

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Speaker 1: when you when you want to start your day and

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Speaker 1: you have an objection, you make it a point. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I gotta get to this by twelve o'clock. And it

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Speaker 1: just doesn't happen because people are just coming in and

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Speaker 1: you've got to be there for him. You're you're you know,

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Speaker 1: as we always say, I got fifty one percent now,

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Speaker 1: you know. So, so anybody's looking for an answer, they're

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Speaker 1: gonna come to me, and so I have to be

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Speaker 1: able to balance that. But at the same time, I'm

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Speaker 1: helping install this offense to the offensive coaching staff. So

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Speaker 1: that and then again that's we're kind of where where

440
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Speaker 1: Brad Shoulders comes in. It's a hard no, it's not.

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Speaker 1: It's fun and it's a challenge, and so you kind

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Speaker 1: of I've been prepping myself, uh this whole year, this

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Speaker 1: past year in Kansas City. Uh, it was good for

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Speaker 1: myself to just kind of Okay, hey, how would I

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Speaker 1: handle this situation? How would I handle that situation? And

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Speaker 1: and just kind of go through that and do some

447
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Speaker 1: mental gymnastics. I mean, you've had a front row seat

448
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Speaker 1: with Big Red, I mean, one of the best in

449
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Speaker 1: the business. I mean, how that's got to pay off

450
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Speaker 1: now that you can every situation, You've seen it all.

451
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Speaker 1: No one handles just people better. Every type player he

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Speaker 1: can handle. You've seen it all. You guys have coached

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Speaker 1: it all. You know, it's it's that has to be

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Speaker 1: a huge just confidence builder. He's been doing it for

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Speaker 1: a long time and he has a lot of experience

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Speaker 1: for me these last five years, probably more specifically the

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Speaker 1: last two years as coordinator for me being behind those

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Speaker 1: four walls in his office and seeing how he handles

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Speaker 1: certain situations, is absolutely invaluable for me. And so there's

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Speaker 1: some things that there's they just don't have. They don't

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Speaker 1: they don't teach classes on how to do it. You

462
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Speaker 1: got to experience it. And I was able to see

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Speaker 1: that with Coach. I talked to someone on the chief

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Speaker 1: staff yesterday and they said it is they went in

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Speaker 1: the other day and like a couple of weeks ago

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Speaker 1: in a and him Saturday, no one was in the

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Speaker 1: office and he was there eight nineteen years in millions

468
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Speaker 1: upon millions of dollars. He acts no different like when

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Speaker 1: he was a g a way back in the day.

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Speaker 1: I think he started a utab or sama state you

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Speaker 1: know that. I mean that has to be you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm your admiration for him to try to hold that

473
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Speaker 1: standard because now you're one of his guys. I mean

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Speaker 1: I'm running into Doug Peterson, Sean mcdermoy, you guys have

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Speaker 1: the nice and he is the nicest tree in the staff.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a high character group of people.

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Speaker 1: The standard is high, right, and that's what he teaches,

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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, and the list goes on and on.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's what he teaches. He's a hard worker.

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Speaker 1: Now you know, he's gonna he's gonna burn the midnight

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Speaker 1: oil and and and hang your hat on that too. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And you respect that because the guy is very passionate

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Speaker 1: about what he does and and um. But unfortunately for

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Speaker 1: a lot of people, they don't get to see the

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Speaker 1: other side of him, you know. And he has a

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Speaker 1: lot of humor to him, and he keeps it real

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Speaker 1: and he keeps it uh fun and the guys have

488
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Speaker 1: a good time, and he's a jokester and all that,

489
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Speaker 1: but it's when when it comes down to it, the

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Speaker 1: guy wants to win more than anybody and uh. And

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Speaker 1: the other thing you know with with coach that to

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Speaker 1: me is really intriguing and humbling is is the fact

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Speaker 1: that he has zero ego in regards to he could

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Speaker 1: have a big ego and he has none. And and

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Speaker 1: with that, you know, if somebody comes to him with

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Speaker 1: an idea of a player, suggestion, hey bring it on,

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Speaker 1: let's go. And and that's special. One relationship that's talked

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Speaker 1: a lot about in the NFL is the head coach

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Speaker 1: GM and you talked about just walking into that room,

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Speaker 1: the comfort you had with Ryan Pace. What's that been like?

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Speaker 1: You know, these first what is an album a month

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Speaker 1: and a half, two months, almost two months? Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 1: that relationship because you deal with him on everything. It's

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Speaker 1: everything that I was hoping it would be. And so um,

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Speaker 1: you know, you walk into a room with somebody and

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Speaker 1: you have a five minute conversation and you say, you

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Speaker 1: know what it's, this is, this is this just feels right.

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Speaker 1: And so with Ryan, um, he harped on open communication

509
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Speaker 1: from day one. And that's what we've done. And so

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Speaker 1: when you have that, now we have a we have

511
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Speaker 1: a long ways to go. We haven't played any games yet, right, um,

512
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Speaker 1: and so that'll be the true test. But right now,

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Speaker 1: during this free agency period, during the this uh this

514
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Speaker 1: combine period, putting our staff together, uh, you know, just

515
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Speaker 1: all the different parts that go into building a new culture. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He's been all that and and and some Do you

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Speaker 1: find a place to live yet? I did? Yeah? I did.

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Speaker 1: It's by a home. Yeah, we found. We found. I

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Speaker 1: got four boys, four boys, a lot of quarterbacks. Well

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Speaker 1: I look at it. It's uh, I gotta I gotta

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Speaker 1: force him now for my golf team. Uh. And now

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Speaker 1: I become the fifth for the basketball team. So we're

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Speaker 1: good to go. What was it like when you know

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Speaker 1: your high school sweetheart, right and you've been Stacy, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I remember when it was her. Was it your ten

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Speaker 1: year anniversary and give her this extravagant you read it

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Speaker 1: out a movie there it was. I don't have that

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Speaker 1: in the bag. I don't think it was one of

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Speaker 1: the most impressive things I've ever liked. Dark You got

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Speaker 1: all your friends in there like that. That's pretty good

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Speaker 1: memory that year was at like that would have been

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Speaker 1: in now you put me on twelve. Actually, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what. What was it like when you told she

534
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Speaker 1: clearly supportive of your career? But was she? You guys

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Speaker 1: had a pretty good thing going in Kansas City all

536
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Speaker 1: for your boys in school? There was that tough at all? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, you don't ever talk about that, you know,

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Speaker 1: you just get up and leave. You're right, you're right,

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Speaker 1: and and we do and we do, we do talk

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Speaker 1: about it, and you go through all the different scenarios

541
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Speaker 1: of of um, you know, what's the right decision and

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Speaker 1: is there you you never know really till the end.

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Speaker 1: But if it feels right, then go with it. And

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Speaker 1: as long as I had her support, which I did, Um,

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Speaker 1: she gets it, you know, she understands, and and she's

546
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Speaker 1: there for for me and the boys, and and she

547
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Speaker 1: knows that this was a dream of mine and to

548
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Speaker 1: make happen it was a goal. And but she knows

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Speaker 1: we're not done. Also, you want to break some news

550
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Speaker 1: right now and go top five players on your draft board,

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Speaker 1: It doesn't It has to make it this a little

552
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Speaker 1: easier that you have your quarterback because those those guys

553
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Speaker 1: are you know, everyone always wants to the quarterbacks, But

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Speaker 1: are you guys even to interview them? I mean, is

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Speaker 1: that something we'll we'll bring We'll bring some guys in

556
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Speaker 1: just to kind of see you know where that's at.

557
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Speaker 1: You just never know, right, Yeah, you guys ever know

558
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Speaker 1: you have the fourth round? I mean it could be

559
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Speaker 1: just back up and just half incredible value. It's too

560
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Speaker 1: much value. And you know through you know, I have

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Speaker 1: a similar philosophy to with with Coach Read you know,

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Speaker 1: the the importance and value of the quarterback position. You

563
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Speaker 1: can never have enough, right, So we'll we'll be hammering

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Speaker 1: away on that in regards to know and who's out there,

565
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Speaker 1: what they're about, and I like that. Have you casually

566
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Speaker 1: watched these guys throughout the year on Saturdays, the Baker Mayfields.

567
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Speaker 1: I could see you like in Baker may Field the

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Speaker 1: player even Donald and Rose and they have I mean

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Speaker 1: there are. It is a talented class. They are talented.

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Speaker 1: And and uh, I'll say this, I'm I'm glad that

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Speaker 1: you know in in and where we're at. We went

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Speaker 1: through that last year in Kansas City. Obviously Chicago went

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Speaker 1: through that last year. You know with with Mitchell, it's

574
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Speaker 1: a it's a big move and you have to be

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Speaker 1: right because this is something that can get you right

576
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Speaker 1: for a long time and it can get your wrong

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Speaker 1: for a long time, you know. So uh but and

578
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 1: everyone always talks is there are a science to it?

579
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Speaker 1: And and um, I don't think there is, but there's

580
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Speaker 1: a feel for it. And then everybody there's different flavors, right,

581
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: there's chocolate, vanilla and strawberries, and so everyone's gonna like

582
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: different people for for different reasons. And so how does

583
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Speaker 1: that person, uh per se fit into your system? Well, man,

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Speaker 1: I know you're a busy man. I don't want to

585
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: take too much time. Again, Man, this is congratulates good stuff. Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm happy for you. This is fun. Yeah again, I

587
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Speaker 1: mean I'll take your top five players in the here. Well,

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Speaker 1: have fun, man, Thanks you, I appreciate it. If you're

589
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Speaker 1: gonna watch Thanks, get the direct package, watch all the Bears. Hey,

590
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 1: Bear down baby. Thanks. It's hard to listen to that

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Speaker 1: and now realize Matt Maggie is the man. If you're

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Speaker 1: a Bears fan, simply put, you got a big time

593
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Speaker 1: football coach. I think the Chicago Bears actually are poison,

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Speaker 1: maybe not to be a playoff team, but to be

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Speaker 1: a very feisty seven and nine, eight and eight, nine

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Speaker 1: and seven if they can get mitched Drabinsky rolling. And

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Speaker 1: that's why you hired Matt Naggie at a couple of

598
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Speaker 1: offensive weapons in the passing game to go their running

599
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: games already really good. Vic Fangio is one of the

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00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: better defensive coordinators in all of the NFL. That that

601
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Speaker 1: was a that was one of the biggest coaching moves

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Speaker 1: of the offseason. Non head coach was Matt Naggie keeping

603
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Speaker 1: Vic Fangio. I'm telling you I might be emotional about this.

604
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,959
Speaker 1: I crushed people on social media for being fan boys,

605
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: but uh I'm an unofficial Hell call me an official

606
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears fanboy. I can't wait to watch them play

607
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: and Matt Naggie and Mr Bisky to work together. Thanks

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Speaker 1: everyone for listening. We've come out the gates Swing and

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Speaker 1: Howie Roseman, Matt Naggie, I have already talked to Great

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Speaker 1: co Sell. That will be coming out in the next

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Speaker 1: day or two. We dove deep, as Colin Coward would

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Speaker 1: call it, a football meet sandwich h That'll be coming

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Speaker 1: out later, but I appreciate everyone supporting the podcast. Three

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Speaker 1: and out on the Colin Coward Podcast Network with John

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Speaker 1: Middlecoff live from Indianapolis,