1 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it's Bill Courtney. Welcome to shop talk. What's up, Alex, 2 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: Welcome in. 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 2: You got a big w this weekend? 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: Did we? Did we? Uh? We? Oh your time stamp 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: on this. It's actually gonna this Friday. Oh okay, all right, 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: Well yeah we beat LSU. Yeah, beat the Bengals. Send 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: them back to Baton Rouge where they belong. 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: Actually, one thing I heard about this weekend, I guess 9 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: often like a victory like that, if you beat a 10 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: number four team, the students rush the field. 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, well we didn't. I don't. 12 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what because if we get a massive 13 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 2: fine I read No, it's not Blane Kiffin asked them, 14 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: not the rush of the field. 15 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: No, becauys, we expect to win now, it's a big deal. 16 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: What I was curious about is, you know, if you 17 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: it's almost insulting. I get it to the number four 18 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: team in the country that everybody's like, okay, yeah, we 19 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: beat him, but we're not going to rush field and 20 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: dang down the goalpost for LSU. I mean, we're supposed 21 00:00:59,120 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: to beat him now. 22 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: It's kind of like players are celebrating the end zone. 23 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: It's like you're supposed to score. 24 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just hand the ball referee and run off. 25 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 1: You're supposed to score. You'll be back in the next series. 26 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 2: Do you know how much the fine is? Though I 27 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: was curious. 28 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: Half million. Really it's five hundred thousand dollars. Wow, if 29 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: you rush the field anymore. And so, But the point 30 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: is it's not really the money. It's that that place 31 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: was packed and rocking. And by the way, a B 32 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: two bomber flew over. 33 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: Oh that's cool. 34 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: You couldn't hear it. It was so cool, you know 35 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: how usually they have a flyovers. Wow, everybody goes crazy. 36 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: This thing was almost melodramatic because as cool as it 37 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: was when it flew over at the International Anthem, you 38 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: couldn't hear it. And I guess that's the point. It's 39 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: a B two bomber, stealth bomber. You're not supposed to 40 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: be able to hear it. But this massive thing flew 41 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: over our our stadium and it was like, just you 42 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: didn't hear it. It was so weird looking, but it 43 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: was cool. And then we proceeded to beat LSUS like 44 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: we're supposed to, and we left and went back to 45 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: our cars. No ready to rust field because you know, 46 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: it's just TELLUSU. 47 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 2: Actually, I don't think we've talked about it since that 48 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: last Shop Talk with Max, that you also beat Max. 49 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: Of school just today listeners on that too, that look 50 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: that it would have been more appropriate to rushfield and 51 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: yanked down the goalpost after that win, that it was 52 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: after all, this beat LSU as a big deal. We 53 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: beat him eighteen to seven, and. 54 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: Anytime some inner city kids can beat some wealthy white kids, 55 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,839 Speaker 2: I'm all for it me too. 56 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I listen, it was. It was a turning 57 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: point for my team because it was when they woke 58 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: up to the realization that they can play with anybody. 59 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: And I think that translates to many things well after 60 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: the days playing football. So very very proud of that win, 61 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: and I enjoyed Max having to go through things Kim 62 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 1: and Christmas understanding that his dad owns him. I own him, 63 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: free rent, free rent for an entire year, right there. So, okay, guys, 64 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: Shop Talk number seventy two, it's not. 65 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: As fun of a topic as we've been having. 66 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: We're gonna switch emotional gears quickly from football and fun 67 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: to something that's really topical. And Alex did his typical, 68 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: really deep and good production work. 69 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: It's not that deep. I wish I had more time 70 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: because there's so much better. There's even more stats out 71 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: there than we're about to get into. 72 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: Well, it's just pretty good. We're going to talk about 73 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: violence and assassination culture, which I can't even believe is 74 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: actually a phrase, that there's an assassination culture. I don't 75 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: even think ten years ago that would have been a thing, 76 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: but it has become a thing, and so this is 77 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: coming out Friday. We can also, you know, not only 78 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: be reminded of the Charlie Kirk thing, but even this 79 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: past Sunday, some dude ran a truck into a a 80 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: Mormon church and sett it on fire and shot a 81 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: bunch of people. It's happening all too often, and I 82 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: think we all know what's happening all too often, but 83 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: some of the data behind it is even I'm not 84 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: going to say more disturbing than the act itself, because 85 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: nothing is more disturbing than the acts itself, but it's 86 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: it's almost as disturbing, and. 87 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: I think, may I think you could say it is 88 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 2: more disconcerting because this isn't just someone crazy person like these, No, it's. 89 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: A thing now and we need to talk about it, 90 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:40,559 Speaker 1: We need to talk about children about it. So after 91 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: this brief messages from our general sponsors, we're going to 92 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: talk about violence and assassination culture and some of the 93 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: data behind it on Shop Talk number seventy two. We'll 94 00:04:51,440 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: be right back. All right, everybody, welcome the shop pretty 95 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: deep content here, but I think it's I think you'd 96 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: be wrong not to talk about it. It's topical, and 97 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: it's uh, it speaks to an army and normal folks grandedly, 98 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: and this is shop talk. That's what people sit around 99 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: the coffee maker talking about. And I don't think I've 100 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: spent a day at work that somebody hasn't talked about 101 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: this topic in some way. So violence and assassination culture, 102 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: which is disturbing that it's that's even a title today, 103 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: but it is. Alex got us this information a recent 104 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: fire survey. What's fire and acronym for. 105 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: Fire is the Foundation for Original Individual Rights and Education. 106 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: I think they've rebranded it now, so the the leading 107 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: free speech group in the country. You were actually on 108 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: their podcast like two years. 109 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: Ago, perfect remember it? Well maybe not. 110 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 2: They're actually awesome and you'd love them. They so it's 111 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 2: kind of the real replacement of the ACLU, like the ah. 112 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: Listen, no, now that you said it, I do love 113 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: them because they're not right left center whatever. They're standing 114 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: for free speech that is unencumbered. 115 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: It's actually cool. They are two founders, ones from the 116 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: left and ones from the right. But even more impressive 117 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 2: is their staff is pretty much evenly split. So that's 118 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: really hard to do if you have like a you know, 119 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: fifty one hundred person company. That's a little bit ideological. 120 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, but if our culture is about civility 121 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: and respecting what one another says, I mean yeah, let's 122 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: just go to it. So a recent fire survey from 123 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: these folks were talking about twenty twenty five, so it's 124 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: very recent. They surveyed sixty eight thousand, five hundred and 125 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: ten college students across two hundred and fifty seven US universities. 126 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: So this isn't like they called twenty people and came 127 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: up with this thing. This is a real. Study found 128 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: that thirty four percent of college students say that using 129 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: violence to stop someone from speaking on campus is acceptable, 130 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: at least sometimes rare cases are more thirty a third 131 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: of our young adults that are in college, these are 132 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: the ones that are supposed to be the smartest, most 133 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: freethinking human beings say that using violence to stop someone 134 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: from speaking is acceptable in some occasions, and that's up 135 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: from thirty two percent the prior year. Two percent is 136 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: already ridiculous. One of the most disturbing findings from the 137 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: Buckley Institutes twenty twenty five National College Student Survey is 138 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: this thirty nine percent. That's two out of five. Thirty 139 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: nine percent of students agree with this statement. If someone 140 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: is using hate speech or making racially charged comments, physical 141 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: violence can be justified to prevent this person from espousing 142 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: their hateful views. Do not misunderstand me that I think 143 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: using hate speech or racially charged comments is okay. I 144 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: do not. But I also believe that using physical violence 145 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: to prevent a person from respising their hateful views, I 146 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: think that's more wrong than the hate speech itself. And 147 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: i'll tell you in a minute. Along with this is 148 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: a graph that I wish I could share with you visually, 149 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: but I'll try to. I'll try to do my best 150 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: to illustrate it for you verbally. The first figure is 151 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: percent of respondents overall and those that self identify as 152 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: left and right of center who find murder of the 153 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: respective individuals justified murder. 154 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: At least, I think the phrase is at least partially justified. 155 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: Okay, partially justified. The barographs here show the percentage of 156 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: people in each group selecting scores from two to seven 157 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: on the scales assessing support for murder of Musk and Trump. 158 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,599 Speaker 1: Scores of one were excluded because such scores meant that 159 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: the respondent con considered the respective form of political violence 160 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: was not justified at all. I'll respond that said murder 161 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: was okay thirty one point something percent, thirty one percent. 162 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: A third, So. 163 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 2: It's adults too, not just the college kids. 164 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: A third of all college students say. 165 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 2: Those adults, now okay. A third make it your worse. 166 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: You can't just dismiss it as some dumb college kids. 167 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: Sure, adults A third said that it would be okay 168 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: to murder Elon Musk because of what he says. The 169 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: people right of center were fourteen point three percent and 170 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: the people left were fifty. With regard to murder of 171 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, thirty eight point five percent said it would 172 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: be okay, fifty six percent on the left and twenty 173 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: percent on the right. 174 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 2: We should say the two. This is from Rutgers University. 175 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: I don't care. 176 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 2: I'm just sitting just letting the listeners know where and 177 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 2: I'm making up these numbers. 178 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: Uh, destroying a Tesla dealership and protest. Forty percent of 179 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: our respondents said, yeah, there's no problem with that. Sixty 180 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: percent of the people left of center said it's okay 181 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: to destroy a man's business if you don't agree with 182 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: what he has to say. Twenty three percent right of 183 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: center said it's okay, okay, So why are we bringing 184 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: this up first? It is not to vilify anybody left 185 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: of center, right or center. These are just numbers. Don't 186 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: shoot the messenger. It's just the facts that this is. 187 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: The numbers are unacceptable, none of them are acceptable. 188 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: And here's the thing. These are self identifying people. So 189 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: someone is saying, yes, I'm right of center, Yes I'm 190 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: left to center, Yes, murder's okay to shut somebody up 191 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 1: I don't agree with. I grew up believing in the phrase, 192 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: the very very very uniquely American phrase that says, I 193 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: made a test and a bore and patently disagree with 194 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: everything that comes out of your mouth, but I will 195 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: defend with my life your right to say it, How 196 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: have we gone in three or four decades from that 197 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: to this. I want to remind you of a time 198 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: that John McCain and President Obama were running for the 199 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: presidency and at a what do they call those things 200 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: where a candidate meets with a big, old open group 201 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: of people in take town hall. Yeah, it was a 202 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: town hall. John McCain was having a town hall meeting. 203 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: And I remember it's like as yesterday. You should look 204 00:12:55,880 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: up the video. A woman said something about Obama being 205 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: a Muslim, Obama not even being an American, Obama being 206 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 1: anti American, and just went off on him and mc McCain, 207 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: Obama's opponent in the presidential election, stopped the woman deadnist 208 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: attracts and said stop it. I don't agree with a 209 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: lot of Obama's policies. Obviously I'm running against him for 210 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: president because I don't believe he's what's best for our country. 211 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: But he is a good man, and he is an American, 212 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 1: and I don't want to get involved in trafficking mistruths 213 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: about this man. We're running on the issues, and we're 214 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: running on belief sets. We're not running against this human being. 215 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: We have gone from leadership like that. John McCain lost 216 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: the election, as we all know. But we went from 217 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: leadership like that who refused to allow people to get 218 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 1: off all exercised and been up on language, to now 219 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: in some cases, is sixty percent of respondents believe that 220 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: it's okay to murder Donald Trump if you don't like 221 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: what comes out of his mouth. We are losing our civility. 222 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: We are losing our understanding of free speech. We are 223 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: losing our basic civic understanding about what makes the American 224 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: society unique and special. And if we don't correct this, 225 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: I believe this is a greater threat to our freedom 226 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: and our democracy than China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, and 227 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: every other dictator in the world combined. This is a 228 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: greater tack on us than even a nuclear warhead, in 229 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: my opinion, because we are going to destroy ourselves from 230 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: the inside out. If we start allowing people to believe 231 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: that violence, assassination, and murder of someone I don't agree 232 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: with is acceptable, we'll be right back. This is medieval 233 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: stuff here, y'all. 234 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: As Lincoln said, a house divided amongst itself cannotstand. 235 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: House divided amongst itself cannotstand, which is actually from the 236 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: bible of it. So my question is those listening to me, 237 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: whether you're right of center or left or center, what 238 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: do you really think? What do you really think? I 239 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: remember social listen Charlie Kirk, and we might as well 240 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: talk about Charlie Kirk a little bit. Charlie Kirk. There's 241 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: absolutely no arguing his effect. I would even say that 242 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: maybe Trump doesn't get elected without Charlie Kirk. But certainly 243 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk was a big part of it. It was 244 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: one of the greatest swings of young voters from left 245 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: to right in known or recorded history, and Charlie Kirk 246 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: was on the front lines of that. But the fact 247 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: that thirty percent of people in our country say, yeah, 248 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: it's okay to assassinate somebody like that, that I don't 249 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: agree with because what he says is just so off 250 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: putting to me. I would just rather be dead than 251 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: to have to listen to it. Really, And then the 252 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: mountain of social media posts that followed directly that actually 253 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: celebrated his assassination in front of his children. If anybody 254 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 1: watched the video of that grotesque, horrific thing that happened 255 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: and then remembered that his wife watched it all because 256 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: they disagreed with what he had to say. And at 257 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: thirty percent of people that respond to these surveys say, yeah, 258 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: violence and assassination, It's okay if I don't agree with 259 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: what you say. Y'all were losing our republic. This has 260 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: to stop. So how do you stop it? Well, my answer, 261 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: of course, is probably going to be redundant to some 262 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: of you regular listeners, and hopefully there's some new listeners here. 263 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: But I genuinely believe that when you engage in your 264 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: community and you get out of your vacuum, and you 265 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: get out of your comfort zone, and you serve and 266 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: lead people that don't look like you, vote like you, 267 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 1: worship like you, love like you, espouls the same notions 268 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: as you, but you're just on a very human level, 269 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: serve and lead and work together to better whatever little 270 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: corner of your community and universe that you can do 271 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: good work in that work, and that involvement in basic 272 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: humanity starts to break down misunderstandings about one another in 273 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: barriers and makes you more tolerant of one another, makes 274 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: you more understanding of one another, and makes you find 275 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: out that just because someone doesn't vote like me, or 276 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: look like me, or love like me. They don't have 277 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: to be my enemy, and certainly just because they espouse 278 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: dasha different notions than me, you know, violence and assassination 279 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: against people that don't agree with me, just because they 280 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: don't agree with me. The other thing is, especially as 281 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: it pertains to college students, when I interviewed Sparky, he 282 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: said something that is really really true, and he kind 283 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: of called young people to find their truth. And another 284 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: way to say that is, and I don't mean it 285 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: in a political way, but liberal thought is healthy thought. 286 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is by being liberal. 287 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: That's I don't mean that politically. I simply mean open 288 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: minded by being liberal in terms of the way you listen, 289 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: by being liberal in terms of the way you approach 290 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: other people and actually listen and consider other people's perspectives. 291 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: While you still may not agree, you are almost always 292 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: going to be able to at least understand where they 293 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: come from and why they think the way they do 294 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: and see their humanity. That's nothing is one hundred percent. 295 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: And there are a small percentage of people on both 296 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: sides of any issue that I think are zealous and ridiculous, 297 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: but it's a really really small percentage. A far, far 298 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: far majority of people, regardless of what side of an 299 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: issue they fall on, are typically reasonable, thinking people who 300 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: just have different perspectives. But is that different perspective somehow 301 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: retard or believing that because of their difference in perspective 302 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: that it's okay to target them for murder or violence 303 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: or Satin nation. I just don't think that. I don't 304 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: think you arrive at such a conclusion if you actually 305 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: understand that people with those thought processes and you see 306 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: them as human and you understand their perspective. And I 307 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: don't think you can do that unless you have a 308 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: liberal approach to people who aren't like you, and you 309 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: seek to serve, lead, and understand them. And if you 310 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: do that, you can create an army of normal folks that, 311 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: despite the way you love, look, believe, worship, you can 312 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: find common ground and you can break down this disgusting 313 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: notion that if I don't think like you now it 314 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: is okay to cause you harm. Our country cannot survive it, 315 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: and we've got to stop it. And what's scary is 316 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: it's not just happening every once in a while. It's 317 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: happening all the time. And the reason it's happening all 318 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: the time is because of this data that a third 319 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: of the people in our country believe. It's okay, it's 320 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: not what you got, Alex. 321 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 2: I'll just add one thing. So I went to UVA 322 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 2: and they often have Jefferson quotes above the buildings that 323 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 2: are great, and so one of them on this topic 324 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 2: is for here. We are not afraid to follow truth 325 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 2: wherever it may lead, nor to tolerate any error so 326 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 2: long as reason is left free to combat it. So 327 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 2: we're not afraid to follow truth, and we're not afraid 328 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 2: to let error be out there as long as we're 329 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: free to let reason combat it. We shouldn't be afraid 330 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 2: of opposing views. 331 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: And we need to be open minded enough to reason 332 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: in fact that if our view is wrong, to change 333 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: it rather than double down just because that's what someone 334 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: in New York on TV told us, we're supposed to believe. 335 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 2: Actually, uh, I'm hesitant to bring this up. But an 336 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: example of this too is no matter what you personally 337 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 2: think about the topic of gay marriage, like President Obama 338 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: and President Biden were against it even in the like 339 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 2: the late two thousands, they were and then they flipped 340 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But it's uh, well, I 341 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: imagine if they were canceled then, right, like people changed 342 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: their minds over. 343 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: Time, they flip. I think they evolved. 344 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I didn't mean it in all, No. 345 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: No, I know, I'm just I want to make sure 346 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: I know that I know how you meant it. That's 347 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: why I'm saying it. But they evolved, Yeah, they they 348 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: changed because they listened to a different perspective and said, 349 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 1: I think it's okay. 350 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 2: But previously, like people would have called their position hate speech. Right, 351 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 2: So that's the danger of calling all these things hate 352 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,239 Speaker 2: speech too. Is such a good point. People I have 353 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 2: firmly held beliefs. You know, whether you think it's right 354 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 2: or wrong, that doesn't mean you know, it's hateful speech. 355 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean it's hateful speech. And somehow we're growing 356 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: desensitized to this violence because it's happening so much. We're 357 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: not talking about schizophrenic people at school shootings anymore. We're 358 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: talking about people who the data says believe a third 359 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: of us believe it is just okay to kill people 360 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: who I don't agree with. That's not a schizophrenic, that's 361 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: not a crazy person. Shooting up a school, which is 362 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: a whole nother problem. This is people literally saying culturally, 363 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: shutting you up with a bullet is just fine. If 364 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: I don't like what you have say, that is sick 365 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: and it is it is. It is a social cultural 366 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: sickness cancer that if we don't reverse soon, I honestly believe, 367 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: can kill our republic. And it scares me. 368 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 2: So join an army in normal folks meet people who 369 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 2: aren't like you, and so Actually, one of our guests 370 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 2: said that I don't think your episode will be out 371 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 2: by then, but she said people are hard to hate 372 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 2: close up. 373 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: That's a really good point. They really are. They are 374 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: hard to hate close up. And our leaders need to 375 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: chill on the rhetoric. Quit the media, and our political 376 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: leaders and even some of our business leaders have got 377 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: to chill out on the rhetoric and and quit seeking 378 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: to enrich their their themselves and garner more power by 379 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: dividing us and candidly, we got to quit being sheep 380 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: and following them around and buying into their rhetoric. That 381 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: is perturbing our minds, in the minds of our children. 382 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: It's got to stop. So a soberings shop talk number 383 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: seventy two. We have a pervasive and growing sentiment in 384 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: our country that murder, violence, and assassination against people we 385 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: don't believe in or we don't like what they have 386 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: to say is okay, and every single one of us 387 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: have got to make a stand on this and say no, 388 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: it's not and start talking about it. It's kind of 389 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: like in a family when somebody's done something bad or 390 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: wrong or whatever, and kind of the family just brushes 391 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: it under the rug and hush USh, let's not talk 392 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: about it. Problem never goes away. It festers. This is 393 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: an uncomfortable truth about our society that people really don't 394 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: want to talk about. But we better because if we 395 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 1: don't start talking about it with our kids, and we 396 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: don't start talking about how wrong this is, and we 397 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: sweep it on the rug, these numbers will go from 398 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 1: thirty two to thirty four to fifty percent. I mean, 399 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: it's already fifty six percent of the people Left of 400 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: centers say that murder of Donald Trump in some cases 401 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: could be justified because of what he has to say. 402 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: It's just wrong. We can't do that. We just got 403 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: to stop it. And the only we're going to stop 404 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: it or is going to have to talk about it. 405 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: We're going to have to get out of our comfort 406 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: zones and our vacuums of thought, surround ourselves with people 407 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: who are different than us, see them as human, respect, difference, 408 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: as opinion, and because, like our guest said, it's hard 409 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: to hate people up close. But if we keep separating 410 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 1: to our corners and see believing all this vitry y'all 411 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: and all this rhetoric, I fear what's going to happen. 412 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: So Shop Talk number seventy two, guys, we've got to 413 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: break this culture, this violent acceptance culture, and we've got 414 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,479 Speaker 1: to do it with our children and our grandchildren and 415 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: fix what over the last fifteen to twenty years we've 416 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: ushered in as culturally acceptable. Because it's disgusting and it's 417 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: not any last word. 418 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 2: Alex, Nope. We got to wrap it up. 419 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: If you envoy this shop Talk, please share it with 420 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: friends them on social If you if you like the show, 421 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: what do you Do? You subscribe to the podcast, rate it, review. 422 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 2: It, sign up to join the army in normal Folks 423 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 2: dot us that's it, and email Shop Talk ideas. 424 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: Yeah and guest ideas for an army Normal Folks and 425 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: I hope you will think long and hard about the 426 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: content of this particular shop talk. We have a beast 427 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: on our doorsteps, and we got a slang. Okay, I 428 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: shout up talk at number seventy two. Guys, We'll see 429 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: you next week.