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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey there, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: It's another edition of the Book of Joe podcasts with Me,

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Speaker 1: Tom Berducci and Joe Madden and Joe, I'm really looking

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Speaker 1: forward to our chat with our special guest today, and

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Speaker 1: I imagine you especially are. I didn't realize until I

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Speaker 1: started looking into his background here that Joe Madden and

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Speaker 1: Brandon Hyde have a lot in common. Both former catchers.

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Speaker 1: Both entered professional baseball as undrafted players. Both I mean

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Speaker 1: more than paid their dues throughout the minor leagues with

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Speaker 1: all kinds of different jobs and waited quite a while

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Speaker 1: to get the first major league managing gig. And once

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Speaker 1: they got it, they have turned around culture.

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Speaker 2: So how about that, Joe, This storyline that Brandon Hyde must.

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Speaker 1: Sound very familiar. I know you guys are good friends,

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Speaker 1: know each other well. But boy, to me, it's another

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Speaker 1: it's another Joe Madden into making.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's beautiful plus, but he could really hit his driver. Man,

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Speaker 3: this boy could hit his driver a long way. I'm

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Speaker 3: going to tell you that right now. Yeah. We hit

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Speaker 3: it off really well from the time I met him

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Speaker 3: in Chicago. He's a dirt bag didn't even mention that

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Speaker 3: in Long Beach State, and I'll take a dirt bag

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Speaker 3: on my roster several every on an annual basis. The

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Speaker 3: way these guys were taught in southern California by the teachers,

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Speaker 3: the Mentress's coaches, I think are the best high school

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Speaker 3: a big fan of that. So Brandon is a product

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Speaker 3: of all of it, and so we got together. He

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Speaker 3: was first base coach win World Series. Eventually comes to

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Speaker 3: my bench coach, and I'll tell you right now the thing. Oh,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot to like about him, but he's never

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Speaker 3: afraid of having a tough conversation, tremendous at organizing the

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Speaker 3: spring training and then doing it with both sternness and humor,

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Speaker 3: which I think is a great combination. Anyway, I'm so

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Speaker 3: happy for his year success. We do stay in touch,

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Speaker 3: love what the Orioles are doing, and yes, it's it's uh,

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Speaker 3: there's there's a lot of I never realized there were

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Speaker 1: Well, Brandon, welcome to the show, and let me start

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Speaker 1: out with this Orioles team here, because let's face it,

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Speaker 1: this team is twenty ninth in payroll, but here we

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Speaker 1: best record in Major League Baseball. Tell me about your

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Speaker 1: expectations coming into this season and how this team has

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Speaker 4: Well, we're off to a good start. I want to

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Speaker 4: thank you for all the kind words. And you know,

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Speaker 4: Joe means the world to me, So him taking a

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Speaker 4: change my life and in so many ways, and so

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Speaker 4: you know, I think I think the world of Joe.

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Speaker 4: We had some incredible, incredible moments together of years that

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Speaker 4: we will never forget, and times that we're never forgetting,

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Speaker 4: a really fun atmosphere in Chicago, with a great coaching,

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Speaker 4: incredible player. So so I just feel so fortunate, honestly

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Speaker 4: from him the way I did. You know, this year

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Speaker 3: Going, you know, in regarding to what you're saying there, Brandon,

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Speaker 3: it accelerated our development. And that's really what got the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was eye opening, honestly in my first couple

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Speaker 3: Can I say something there, Tommy real quickly too, because

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Speaker 3: that's one thing I was looking at with your team.

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Speaker 3: learning their craft, they're hungry all the above. I with

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Speaker 3: I love your ages, I do, and I think that matters,

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Speaker 4: I've get multiple I've been multiple veterans kind of new

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Speaker 1: Hey, Brandon, we spoke before spring training with a lot

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Speaker 1: different in twenty twenty three. And I liked what you

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Speaker 2: And I think you're right about this.

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Speaker 1: The way it's played out, that this team is built

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Speaker 2: About how that has actually played out in.

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Speaker 1: When we get back. I want to know about Brandon's

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back. Hey, welcome back to the Book

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Speaker 1: Our guest is Baltimore Orioles manager Brandon Hyde, and let's

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Speaker 1: start Brandon with as Joe mentioned, you go to long

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Speaker 4: Well, long story short is we're playing. The draft was

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Speaker 1: And I think you've lasted what four or five years

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Speaker 2: And like a lot of players, you want to keep playing.

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Speaker 3: Guys, You're right, Tommy, there's so many paraly hideer. I

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Speaker 4: been fortunate to work for and with a lot of

432
00:22:02,798 --> 00:22:05,518
Speaker 4: really cool people that done up some awesome things in

433
00:22:05,518 --> 00:22:08,678
Speaker 4: this game. And I go back to Florida when I

434
00:22:08,718 --> 00:22:10,518
Speaker 4: was in the as a minor league coach with the

435
00:22:10,518 --> 00:22:13,758
Speaker 4: Florida We had a great minor league staff with the

436
00:22:13,798 --> 00:22:17,558
Speaker 4: Marlins back in those days from three to ten. It

437
00:22:17,598 --> 00:22:21,598
Speaker 4: was Bill Porter, Joey spot Of, Steve Foster, Tim Cousins,

438
00:22:21,678 --> 00:22:24,318
Speaker 4: Anthony I. A. Posse, John Mayley, a lot of major

439
00:22:24,438 --> 00:22:26,318
Speaker 4: league guys that turned out to be major league coaches.

440
00:22:26,358 --> 00:22:28,038
Speaker 4: And we were all really young at that time and

441
00:22:28,158 --> 00:22:30,278
Speaker 4: just trying to figure it out. And that's what we

442
00:22:30,358 --> 00:22:33,398
Speaker 4: tried to do on a nightly basis. But we also

443
00:22:33,438 --> 00:22:37,278
Speaker 4: were allowed a ton of freedom by Jim Fleming, Mark

444
00:22:37,318 --> 00:22:39,598
Speaker 4: jel Piano, Brian Chatton, who was in the front office

445
00:22:39,598 --> 00:22:42,158
Speaker 4: of the Marlins at that time. I was telling some

446
00:22:42,198 --> 00:22:44,438
Speaker 4: of the other day. When I managed in the minor leagues,

447
00:22:44,518 --> 00:22:47,958
Speaker 4: I was never told a lineup. I was never told

448
00:22:48,398 --> 00:22:51,678
Speaker 4: I never had a piggyback starters, I was never told

449
00:22:51,718 --> 00:22:54,438
Speaker 4: how to utilize my bullpen. I went to try to

450
00:22:54,478 --> 00:22:56,878
Speaker 4: win games and win series, just like I am right now.

451
00:22:57,078 --> 00:22:59,998
Speaker 4: And I think that's what's really helped me along the

452
00:22:59,998 --> 00:23:03,918
Speaker 4: way was freedom to make mistakes, a ton of mistakes,

453
00:23:04,358 --> 00:23:08,158
Speaker 4: but also to talk about it and learn from your

454
00:23:08,158 --> 00:23:10,398
Speaker 4: mistakes and be coached up a little bit too. I

455
00:23:10,438 --> 00:23:13,438
Speaker 4: think that that's I think that's so important. And so

456
00:23:14,598 --> 00:23:16,958
Speaker 4: I got lucky there with Florida working for amazing people.

457
00:23:16,998 --> 00:23:18,758
Speaker 4: And then when I went to work with Chicago, you

458
00:23:18,758 --> 00:23:22,238
Speaker 4: know THEO and his group, Jed, Jason McLeod, Sharra, Scott Harris.

459
00:23:22,838 --> 00:23:25,798
Speaker 4: It's really fortunate to be around around those guys and

460
00:23:25,998 --> 00:23:29,838
Speaker 4: being understanding what the front office situation was like for

461
00:23:29,878 --> 00:23:31,918
Speaker 4: that one year I did that. I had no idea.

462
00:23:31,958 --> 00:23:33,878
Speaker 4: I came right off the field, I had no idea

463
00:23:33,918 --> 00:23:36,118
Speaker 4: what I was doing, and all of a sudden, I'm

464
00:23:36,118 --> 00:23:39,118
Speaker 4: in forty man roster meetings and and honestly, and it

465
00:23:39,158 --> 00:23:41,038
Speaker 4: was in the beginning of a rebuild too, to be

466
00:23:41,078 --> 00:23:44,598
Speaker 4: evolved in that that was that was extremely helpful because

467
00:23:44,598 --> 00:23:47,958
Speaker 4: I've never been in an office before, so I've gotten

468
00:23:47,998 --> 00:23:50,118
Speaker 4: some cool experiences along the way. I've been worked with

469
00:23:50,198 --> 00:23:54,038
Speaker 4: amazing people. I've been really lucky. People have promoted me

470
00:23:54,318 --> 00:23:57,038
Speaker 4: that maybe I didn't wasn't ready for it, but I

471
00:23:57,238 --> 00:23:59,718
Speaker 4: tried to just figure it out whatever situation was put

472
00:23:59,758 --> 00:24:02,118
Speaker 4: in front of me and ask a ton of questions

473
00:24:02,158 --> 00:24:08,278
Speaker 4: and ears know, have my ears open, honestly, eyes and

474
00:24:08,278 --> 00:24:10,958
Speaker 4: ears open, and not think that I know everything, Just

475
00:24:10,958 --> 00:24:13,318
Speaker 4: trying to do the best I can of whatever's in

476
00:24:13,318 --> 00:24:13,678
Speaker 4: front of me.

477
00:24:14,518 --> 00:24:16,398
Speaker 3: I just want to point something out right here. I mean,

478
00:24:17,198 --> 00:24:19,198
Speaker 3: his brand is done a great job as a major

479
00:24:19,278 --> 00:24:22,238
Speaker 3: league manager right now, and he's talking to us here,

480
00:24:22,278 --> 00:24:25,198
Speaker 3: but he has not changed a bit. That's the beauty

481
00:24:25,238 --> 00:24:27,398
Speaker 3: of this whole thing. I mean, I think sometimes when

482
00:24:27,438 --> 00:24:30,638
Speaker 3: guys come up and earn their stripes, kind of some

483
00:24:30,678 --> 00:24:34,038
Speaker 3: people think they have to change and act a different

484
00:24:34,078 --> 00:24:39,198
Speaker 3: way or become more stern or whatever whatever funnier. I don't,

485
00:24:40,078 --> 00:24:44,838
Speaker 3: but Hyder is demonstrating he learned his chops the right way.

486
00:24:45,478 --> 00:24:48,718
Speaker 3: Coming up the ladder rung by rung and eventually you

487
00:24:48,758 --> 00:24:52,958
Speaker 3: get this opportunity to be a major league manager too.

488
00:24:53,518 --> 00:24:55,118
Speaker 3: Never got there as a player, but man, you always

489
00:24:55,118 --> 00:24:56,598
Speaker 3: wanted to get there as a coach and a manager,

490
00:24:56,638 --> 00:24:59,758
Speaker 3: and you do, and you don't change. You rely on

491
00:24:59,798 --> 00:25:02,358
Speaker 3: the experiences that you've had, You bring them to bear

492
00:25:02,398 --> 00:25:06,038
Speaker 3: on a daily basis. You keep your ears wide open

493
00:25:06,118 --> 00:25:09,078
Speaker 3: because there's a lot of really wonderful baseball people out

494
00:25:09,078 --> 00:25:11,598
Speaker 3: there that have a lot of knowledge that we need

495
00:25:11,638 --> 00:25:14,038
Speaker 3: to suck up and suck in. And that's it. I mean,

496
00:25:14,078 --> 00:25:15,758
Speaker 3: I just wanted to point that out because I've known

497
00:25:15,838 --> 00:25:18,438
Speaker 3: him for several years now and he's explaining to which

498
00:25:18,438 --> 00:25:22,438
Speaker 3: I really think is important. It wasn't easy. It wasn't

499
00:25:22,438 --> 00:25:25,358
Speaker 3: easy to get to where you're at, and you haven't

500
00:25:25,358 --> 00:25:28,238
Speaker 3: forgot any of the learning experiences that you've had.

501
00:25:28,558 --> 00:25:30,838
Speaker 2: Loved that stuff and brand It's interesting.

502
00:25:31,318 --> 00:25:35,118
Speaker 1: I believe when you were hired by Baltimore December of

503
00:25:35,118 --> 00:25:38,278
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, I'm not sure that you had a personal

504
00:25:38,398 --> 00:25:41,158
Speaker 1: history with michae Elias, and it kind of reminds me

505
00:25:41,238 --> 00:25:44,198
Speaker 1: of a Joe and Andrew Friedman kind of getting together

506
00:25:44,278 --> 00:25:47,278
Speaker 1: for the first time and the mutual trust for that

507
00:25:47,398 --> 00:25:51,518
Speaker 1: relationship to happen. Tell me about getting hired by Mike

508
00:25:52,758 --> 00:25:55,238
Speaker 1: and whether you mentioned the freedom you had in the

509
00:25:55,238 --> 00:25:58,438
Speaker 1: minor leagues, whether in today's game that can still happen

510
00:25:58,558 --> 00:25:59,758
Speaker 1: at the major league level.

511
00:26:00,278 --> 00:26:03,118
Speaker 4: Well, that was such a crazy offseason. We just had

512
00:26:03,158 --> 00:26:06,078
Speaker 4: a great season. It was in twenty eighteen and I'm

513
00:26:06,118 --> 00:26:11,398
Speaker 4: with Joe and we win ninety something games, were first place,

514
00:26:11,598 --> 00:26:14,918
Speaker 4: wired to wire until the last game of the year Milwaukee.

515
00:26:14,998 --> 00:26:17,918
Speaker 4: I don't remember this, Joe, like, did not lose in September. Yeah,

516
00:26:17,918 --> 00:26:20,958
Speaker 4: it didn't loose. They did last like four games the

517
00:26:21,118 --> 00:26:24,038
Speaker 4: entire month or some something. Absolute ridiculous thing caught us

518
00:26:24,078 --> 00:26:26,318
Speaker 4: on the last day and then we had to play

519
00:26:26,318 --> 00:26:30,398
Speaker 4: a one day playoff game, day game at Wrigley one game,

520
00:26:30,438 --> 00:26:33,878
Speaker 4: one sixty three. We lose that game, and then we

521
00:26:33,878 --> 00:26:35,638
Speaker 4: had to play a wild card game I think it

522
00:26:35,678 --> 00:26:38,478
Speaker 4: was the next day Colorado, and we had not been

523
00:26:38,518 --> 00:26:40,678
Speaker 4: swinging the bat very well the last week of the season.

524
00:26:41,318 --> 00:26:44,438
Speaker 4: We ended up losing that game an extra innings, and

525
00:26:44,518 --> 00:26:46,318
Speaker 4: that's how our season ended, even though we were in

526
00:26:46,318 --> 00:26:49,238
Speaker 4: first place almost the entire season, in one ninety something

527
00:26:49,278 --> 00:26:52,758
Speaker 4: games and all of a sudden, the next morning I

528
00:26:52,798 --> 00:26:57,078
Speaker 4: started getting Jed called or talked to me about some

529
00:26:57,158 --> 00:27:01,518
Speaker 4: teams expressing interest in their manager mean interviewing, and I

530
00:27:01,638 --> 00:27:04,118
Speaker 4: was not. I had not thought about it at all.

531
00:27:04,198 --> 00:27:07,758
Speaker 4: I was so pissed, honestly that we had lost and

532
00:27:07,758 --> 00:27:10,558
Speaker 4: that we weren't still playing, that I wasn't sure if

533
00:27:10,598 --> 00:27:14,318
Speaker 4: I was ready to go out anyways, I did. I

534
00:27:14,358 --> 00:27:16,998
Speaker 4: interviewed in a few places. I interviewed three or four

535
00:27:17,038 --> 00:27:19,878
Speaker 4: places multiple times. I think I was a finalist, probably

536
00:27:19,918 --> 00:27:23,318
Speaker 4: for a couple I didn't get them. Once that whole

537
00:27:23,358 --> 00:27:27,798
Speaker 4: three week managerial circuit was over and I was finally home,

538
00:27:28,918 --> 00:27:31,078
Speaker 4: I was so glad it was kind of over, and

539
00:27:31,118 --> 00:27:32,598
Speaker 4: I was like, you know what, I'm great. I live

540
00:27:32,638 --> 00:27:35,318
Speaker 4: in Chicago, I'm Joe Madden's bench coach. Is this is

541
00:27:35,638 --> 00:27:38,518
Speaker 4: better than this anyways? So I'm good. And then two

542
00:27:38,518 --> 00:27:41,278
Speaker 4: about a couple of weeks later, Jed calls me that

543
00:27:41,798 --> 00:27:44,078
Speaker 4: Michael Olias with the Orioles called, ask why be intererson

544
00:27:44,078 --> 00:27:48,358
Speaker 4: and managing or interviewing, And I flew out there. I

545
00:27:48,358 --> 00:27:51,078
Speaker 4: didn't have no idea what to expect. I knew nothing

546
00:27:51,118 --> 00:27:54,238
Speaker 4: about Mike or the Orioles. Honestly at that time. I

547
00:27:54,278 --> 00:27:57,398
Speaker 4: did a really short interview. It was a few hours

548
00:27:57,438 --> 00:28:01,438
Speaker 4: in Camden Yards with Mike and sick my Dell, had

549
00:28:01,478 --> 00:28:06,118
Speaker 4: dinner with him, and then about a week later, during

550
00:28:06,158 --> 00:28:08,158
Speaker 4: the winter meetings, he calls and offers me the job.

551
00:28:08,598 --> 00:28:11,718
Speaker 4: So that's pretty much how that went. I knew a

552
00:28:11,758 --> 00:28:14,118
Speaker 4: couple of people that had worked with Mike. John Mayley

553
00:28:14,238 --> 00:28:18,918
Speaker 4: was one of them, Becameros. Jaron Madison, the former was

554
00:28:18,958 --> 00:28:21,118
Speaker 4: a teammate at Man in Long Beach date he he

555
00:28:21,198 --> 00:28:24,718
Speaker 4: scattered with Mike, so they knew each other also. But

556
00:28:24,798 --> 00:28:26,998
Speaker 4: besides that, I really had I didn't know many people

557
00:28:27,878 --> 00:28:30,918
Speaker 4: that were different circles a little bit, but I got

558
00:28:30,918 --> 00:28:32,678
Speaker 4: to know him, really really like him. I thought the

559
00:28:32,798 --> 00:28:36,358
Speaker 4: interview with process was easy with them, and uh, I

560
00:28:36,358 --> 00:28:38,318
Speaker 4: appreciate it kind of what they went through in Houston.

561
00:28:38,358 --> 00:28:40,078
Speaker 4: I mean we kind of shared a lot of similar

562
00:28:40,118 --> 00:28:44,198
Speaker 4: stories from the team, you know, turning around an organization

563
00:28:44,318 --> 00:28:46,798
Speaker 4: and in a handful of years and the way we did.

564
00:28:46,838 --> 00:28:49,238
Speaker 4: And I mean they were they were super honest with me.

565
00:28:49,358 --> 00:28:51,438
Speaker 4: That's one thing that I really appreciate. One is that

566
00:28:51,998 --> 00:28:53,998
Speaker 4: they were really honest with me from the start about

567
00:28:54,038 --> 00:28:55,398
Speaker 4: what it was going to look like and how hard

568
00:28:55,438 --> 00:28:58,518
Speaker 4: it was going to be. And they were way more

569
00:28:58,558 --> 00:29:00,958
Speaker 4: patient than I've been through the through the first few years,

570
00:29:01,238 --> 00:29:04,638
Speaker 4: and I appreciated that process also of really leave, letting

571
00:29:04,678 --> 00:29:07,278
Speaker 4: me kind of cut my teeth in the big legs

572
00:29:07,398 --> 00:29:11,438
Speaker 4: with a ton of patients behind me and no expectations.

573
00:29:11,758 --> 00:29:13,758
Speaker 4: So I've been really fortunate to work with the people

574
00:29:13,758 --> 00:29:14,358
Speaker 4: I've worked with.

575
00:29:14,958 --> 00:29:17,678
Speaker 1: Does that sound familiar to you, Joe, Yeah, I mean

576
00:29:17,958 --> 00:29:19,718
Speaker 1: that's getting in Tampa right.

577
00:29:19,838 --> 00:29:23,518
Speaker 3: It was the same same gig and Hyder and I

578
00:29:23,558 --> 00:29:25,278
Speaker 3: talked a lot about when that all came down. He

579
00:29:25,398 --> 00:29:26,918
Speaker 3: talked to me and he said he'd been offered the

580
00:29:26,958 --> 00:29:29,198
Speaker 3: Baltimore job. What do I think? I said, you take it.

581
00:29:29,878 --> 00:29:32,318
Speaker 3: That's what I think. You take that job. I said

582
00:29:32,318 --> 00:29:33,718
Speaker 3: it like just like you said. I said, it's going

583
00:29:33,758 --> 00:29:35,678
Speaker 3: to be It's gonna be a pain, it's gonna be difficult.

584
00:29:35,718 --> 00:29:38,118
Speaker 3: You're going to lose a lot. And one thing, when

585
00:29:38,158 --> 00:29:40,438
Speaker 3: you're losing a lot like that as a young manager,

586
00:29:41,118 --> 00:29:44,358
Speaker 3: you cannot somehow you cannot permit it to impact your confidence,

587
00:29:44,358 --> 00:29:47,078
Speaker 3: and you cannot take it personally. I remember saying that

588
00:29:47,078 --> 00:29:50,798
Speaker 3: to you specifically about that, because it's easy, it's easy

589
00:29:50,798 --> 00:29:52,358
Speaker 3: to take it personally. All of a sudden, you think

590
00:29:52,358 --> 00:29:54,838
Speaker 3: you're doing something wrong. You're lacking something. But no, you're

591
00:29:54,878 --> 00:29:58,798
Speaker 3: just lacking talent. You're just trying to put things together.

592
00:29:58,878 --> 00:30:01,878
Speaker 3: You're trying to create a culture. So you have to

593
00:30:01,918 --> 00:30:04,838
Speaker 3: be able to absorb the losing. It's not easy, man.

594
00:30:05,198 --> 00:30:07,158
Speaker 3: We lost over one hundred my first year, close to

595
00:30:07,278 --> 00:30:09,838
Speaker 3: hundred my second year, and then the third year we

596
00:30:10,318 --> 00:30:13,038
Speaker 3: finally hit our stride. And just let me just ask

597
00:30:13,038 --> 00:30:14,638
Speaker 3: a question. Is I have this written down, Hyder? What

598
00:30:14,638 --> 00:30:16,118
Speaker 3: do you what do you think the turning point was?

599
00:30:16,198 --> 00:30:18,918
Speaker 3: I mean, when you guys went from this hundred game

600
00:30:19,638 --> 00:30:22,598
Speaker 3: losing team, there's got to be a seminal moment. What

601
00:30:22,638 --> 00:30:25,718
Speaker 3: was it? Was there a particular moment that you thought, Okay,

602
00:30:25,758 --> 00:30:27,878
Speaker 3: this this is going to flip the switch for use

603
00:30:28,198 --> 00:30:29,838
Speaker 3: and we're going to start running in the other direction.

604
00:30:30,478 --> 00:30:34,438
Speaker 4: Well, rutchmand arriving was was a huge part.

605
00:30:35,238 --> 00:30:35,558
Speaker 3: Okay.

606
00:30:35,958 --> 00:30:39,398
Speaker 4: One. It gave the city something to look for. They

607
00:30:39,398 --> 00:30:42,038
Speaker 4: were waiting for him, okay. And I don't know if

608
00:30:42,038 --> 00:30:43,998
Speaker 4: you remember remember every when like when they called up

609
00:30:44,038 --> 00:30:45,558
Speaker 4: Bryant and there was all kind of it was this

610
00:30:45,918 --> 00:30:47,958
Speaker 4: major charade. They were filming them on the way to

611
00:30:47,998 --> 00:30:51,478
Speaker 4: batting practice and he went out and punched out three

612
00:30:51,478 --> 00:30:53,518
Speaker 4: times his first three at bats against James Shields, but

613
00:30:53,558 --> 00:30:57,038
Speaker 4: they were just giving them standing o's after every every strikeout. Yeah,

614
00:30:57,358 --> 00:30:59,798
Speaker 4: it was very, very similar to that with Rutchman or

615
00:30:59,878 --> 00:31:01,598
Speaker 4: the city was waiting for it. There was waiting. They

616
00:31:01,598 --> 00:31:05,038
Speaker 4: were looking for something to cheer or honestly not that

617
00:31:05,078 --> 00:31:08,358
Speaker 4: our other guys. They you know, love some of the

618
00:31:08,398 --> 00:31:11,038
Speaker 4: other homegrown guys, but this was like the one to

619
00:31:11,118 --> 00:31:13,598
Speaker 4: one pick that was gonna turn around. And I was

620
00:31:13,638 --> 00:31:16,038
Speaker 4: trying to take so much pressure off of him because

621
00:31:16,078 --> 00:31:18,598
Speaker 4: I knew and I want i'd seen what you know,

622
00:31:18,598 --> 00:31:20,318
Speaker 4: I've seen how hard it was in Chicago for some

623
00:31:20,358 --> 00:31:23,958
Speaker 4: of those young guys. But two, like, it's not fair

624
00:31:23,958 --> 00:31:27,038
Speaker 4: to him either, Like you know, this guy's not gonna

625
00:31:27,158 --> 00:31:29,678
Speaker 4: single handily turn around a franchise, and how I knew

626
00:31:29,678 --> 00:31:32,758
Speaker 4: how hard I was gonna be, But the way he

627
00:31:32,958 --> 00:31:36,678
Speaker 4: handled everything, the way he turned around and gave our

628
00:31:36,718 --> 00:31:40,398
Speaker 4: pitching staff confidence him and Robinson Chirinos. I love robbie'son

629
00:31:40,398 --> 00:31:42,678
Speaker 4: Cirinos the one of the best people on the h

630
00:31:42,878 --> 00:31:45,838
Speaker 4: on the planet, the way that they work together, and

631
00:31:45,918 --> 00:31:49,158
Speaker 4: Robbie mentored him too along the way. I saw that

632
00:31:49,358 --> 00:31:53,158
Speaker 4: early as soon as Adley got here, and then all

633
00:31:53,158 --> 00:31:55,078
Speaker 4: of a sudden, you start watching his at bats and

634
00:31:55,118 --> 00:31:59,158
Speaker 4: you're like, this is this is different this this he's

635
00:31:59,158 --> 00:32:01,998
Speaker 4: not swinging the balls. He can go pull side Homer.

636
00:32:02,038 --> 00:32:03,758
Speaker 4: He also used his hands with two strikes and flip

637
00:32:03,758 --> 00:32:05,878
Speaker 4: one the other way and you can drive into This

638
00:32:06,398 --> 00:32:08,998
Speaker 4: is a different this is a different animal here. And

639
00:32:10,438 --> 00:32:14,038
Speaker 4: so it was shortly after Adley this is when I

640
00:32:14,118 --> 00:32:15,998
Speaker 4: kind of realized that we got a chance to be

641
00:32:16,038 --> 00:32:18,638
Speaker 4: pretty good. Our bullpen was actually pitching well, and now

642
00:32:18,678 --> 00:32:21,438
Speaker 4: it was kind of getting another presence in the lineup.

643
00:32:21,438 --> 00:32:24,398
Speaker 4: And then Adlie kind of the star factor, honestly, of

644
00:32:25,758 --> 00:32:28,278
Speaker 4: somebody you can rely on to get a big hit

645
00:32:28,558 --> 00:32:31,238
Speaker 4: and to have four grated bats in the middle of

646
00:32:31,278 --> 00:32:33,398
Speaker 4: your order, and kind of helped everybody around him in

647
00:32:33,438 --> 00:32:36,438
Speaker 4: the order as well. I bet I'm gonna go back

648
00:32:36,478 --> 00:32:39,518
Speaker 4: one thing. I'm talking too much, But one thing that

649
00:32:40,958 --> 00:32:46,758
Speaker 4: what turned me around personally was in twenty twenty one,

650
00:32:47,678 --> 00:32:51,398
Speaker 4: it was miserable and I was having a tough time

651
00:32:51,598 --> 00:32:55,158
Speaker 4: dealing with the law that we were going through. Well,

652
00:32:55,158 --> 00:32:57,438
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, we're losing a ton in a row,

653
00:32:57,478 --> 00:33:01,318
Speaker 4: We're getting beat up, and I'm not not getting any help.

654
00:33:02,198 --> 00:33:05,798
Speaker 4: And Anaheim comes into town and we're facing Otani now,

655
00:33:05,838 --> 00:33:08,718
Speaker 4: which is just you know, perfect going al east the

656
00:33:08,958 --> 00:33:11,798
Speaker 4: least now here we go with Otani, this is I

657
00:33:11,798 --> 00:33:14,158
Speaker 4: think we're gonna lose whatever. Twenty nineteen to a row

658
00:33:14,198 --> 00:33:18,198
Speaker 4: is something terrible. And uh, me and Joe and Bussy

659
00:33:18,318 --> 00:33:23,558
Speaker 4: go play golf. Tim Buss, the beautiful Tim Buss. Uh right,

660
00:33:24,958 --> 00:33:29,758
Speaker 4: that was honestly helpful for my mental my mental well being.

661
00:33:29,838 --> 00:33:32,998
Speaker 4: And Joe said a lot of, you know, extremely positive

662
00:33:33,038 --> 00:33:36,598
Speaker 4: things to me that morning. But that was that day

663
00:33:37,438 --> 00:33:41,838
Speaker 4: helped me from a mental side, like not losing my confidence.

664
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Speaker 4: And I remember going to the park like just be

665
00:33:45,158 --> 00:33:49,638
Speaker 4: who you've been your whole life. And and so that

666
00:33:49,678 --> 00:33:52,758
Speaker 4: was a that's a personal that's a personal step for

667
00:33:52,838 --> 00:33:55,958
Speaker 4: me of helping me develop and helping me ride this

668
00:33:55,998 --> 00:33:56,358
Speaker 4: thing out.

669
00:33:56,798 --> 00:33:59,318
Speaker 3: Tim Bust the most valuable coach in the major leagues,

670
00:33:59,678 --> 00:34:02,718
Speaker 3: the best period him and Borsella too tough for me.

671
00:34:03,638 --> 00:34:05,118
Speaker 2: I hope he gave you some strokes.

672
00:34:05,518 --> 00:34:08,958
Speaker 3: No, no, no, there that morning. No this this dude

673
00:34:08,958 --> 00:34:11,638
Speaker 3: could hit a golf ball. Brother, this guy, this guy,

674
00:34:11,838 --> 00:34:14,038
Speaker 3: you got it. You gotta really beard eye, it's going

675
00:34:14,318 --> 00:34:15,238
Speaker 3: high and far.

676
00:34:17,038 --> 00:34:18,998
Speaker 2: Hey, we'll take a quick break when we get back.

677
00:34:19,038 --> 00:34:21,878
Speaker 1: I want to ask Brandon about leadership, one of our

678
00:34:21,918 --> 00:34:23,638
Speaker 1: favorite topics on this podcast.

679
00:34:23,678 --> 00:34:24,358
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: Our guest is Brandon Hyde, manager of the Baltimore Orioles.

681
00:34:37,158 --> 00:34:40,438
Speaker 1: And Brandon, you mentioned Adalie Rushman, and he to me,

682
00:34:40,598 --> 00:34:43,398
Speaker 1: he reminds me of guys I've seen like Buster Posey,

683
00:34:43,518 --> 00:34:48,798
Speaker 1: Evan Longoria, Derek Jeter, Guys who arrived as rookies who

684
00:34:49,038 --> 00:34:53,918
Speaker 1: feel to their peers like their veterans. There's no paying

685
00:34:54,038 --> 00:34:56,918
Speaker 1: dues in terms of, you know, be seen and not heard.

686
00:34:57,398 --> 00:35:00,918
Speaker 1: People look to these young players right away. My question

687
00:35:01,038 --> 00:35:03,638
Speaker 1: for you when you have someone like this, you know

688
00:35:04,118 --> 00:35:07,958
Speaker 1: what is how does that influence your leadership as a manager.

689
00:35:08,078 --> 00:35:10,878
Speaker 1: How much do you want leadership to come from your clubhouse?

690
00:35:11,238 --> 00:35:13,758
Speaker 1: How much is still driven by you as as the

691
00:35:13,798 --> 00:35:14,998
Speaker 1: guy running the team.

692
00:35:15,318 --> 00:35:17,318
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's a balance of all those things.

693
00:35:17,358 --> 00:35:20,478
Speaker 4: For me, I definitely want leadership in our clubhouse, and

694
00:35:20,798 --> 00:35:23,838
Speaker 4: I definitely want things to be player driven, There's no

695
00:35:23,838 --> 00:35:25,718
Speaker 4: doubt about it. And I learned that from Joe. Honestly,

696
00:35:25,918 --> 00:35:28,678
Speaker 4: I want to oversee and make sure that I want

697
00:35:28,718 --> 00:35:31,838
Speaker 4: to help facilitate a great atmosphere and I want to

698
00:35:31,878 --> 00:35:34,878
Speaker 4: help make this a great work environment and I'm going

699
00:35:34,958 --> 00:35:37,918
Speaker 4: to do little things here and there, but honestly, it's

700
00:35:37,918 --> 00:35:42,318
Speaker 4: a player's game and it's the player's clubhouse. And when

701
00:35:42,318 --> 00:35:44,318
Speaker 4: it's going well, you have great people in there. And

702
00:35:44,758 --> 00:35:46,838
Speaker 4: at least one of those, at least is somebody that

703
00:35:47,518 --> 00:35:50,438
Speaker 4: he's not doesn't talk in meetings really or doesn't. He's

704
00:35:50,478 --> 00:35:52,998
Speaker 4: not a speak up guy yet. He will be eventually,

705
00:35:53,518 --> 00:35:55,278
Speaker 4: but it's just the way he goes about his business.

706
00:35:55,278 --> 00:35:58,038
Speaker 4: I have to honestly bring him back work wise. Like

707
00:35:58,078 --> 00:35:59,718
Speaker 4: a lot of the younger players that we have now,

708
00:36:00,038 --> 00:36:02,358
Speaker 4: it's a lot of raining back from a work standpoint

709
00:36:02,358 --> 00:36:05,198
Speaker 4: because they're just they have an outwork people type of mindset.

710
00:36:06,038 --> 00:36:08,758
Speaker 4: And it's just the way he goes about his business.

711
00:36:08,838 --> 00:36:12,238
Speaker 4: There's he's it's ultra prepared. It's it's care. It's it's

712
00:36:12,238 --> 00:36:14,718
Speaker 4: a care about my profession, it's a care about my

713
00:36:14,798 --> 00:36:17,838
Speaker 4: teammates around me. The whole thing with him coming off

714
00:36:17,878 --> 00:36:20,478
Speaker 4: the you know, after an inning and meeting the pitcher,

715
00:36:21,158 --> 00:36:25,358
Speaker 4: that's that's all authentic. There's nothing fake about that. It's

716
00:36:25,398 --> 00:36:28,038
Speaker 4: it's he cares about what's going on in the mount.

717
00:36:28,278 --> 00:36:30,638
Speaker 4: He takes it personal and we don't pitch well. And

718
00:36:30,718 --> 00:36:32,758
Speaker 4: for me, that's like the best thing ever, Like when

719
00:36:32,798 --> 00:36:36,118
Speaker 4: we don't pitch well, he's pissed not at the pitcher,

720
00:36:36,358 --> 00:36:39,918
Speaker 4: or he's pissed in himself in the situation. And I mean,

721
00:36:39,958 --> 00:36:41,798
Speaker 4: what else more could I want as a manager to

722
00:36:41,838 --> 00:36:45,398
Speaker 4: have somebody that's back there. You used to be throwing fingers.

723
00:36:45,398 --> 00:36:49,278
Speaker 4: Now it's pushing buttons and trying to get guys through innings.

724
00:36:49,958 --> 00:36:52,758
Speaker 4: Somebody that just it matters to them more than it

725
00:36:52,798 --> 00:36:56,758
Speaker 4: does anything else. And the more people you have like that,

726
00:36:57,158 --> 00:36:59,758
Speaker 4: the better I'm fortunate to have have. Badly, he's going

727
00:36:59,838 --> 00:37:02,318
Speaker 4: to be a great player, and I don't want to

728
00:37:02,358 --> 00:37:04,918
Speaker 4: put too much pressure on him, but this guy, it's

729
00:37:05,198 --> 00:37:07,798
Speaker 4: just super unique how he wants to play. Every day

730
00:37:08,718 --> 00:37:11,398
Speaker 4: I try to sit him, it's hard to I need

731
00:37:11,438 --> 00:37:14,918
Speaker 4: to do it, honestly more, but it's so fun him

732
00:37:14,958 --> 00:37:17,278
Speaker 4: in the lineup and he wants to play. In the

733
00:37:17,358 --> 00:37:19,678
Speaker 4: days that I do sit him. I look over in

734
00:37:19,678 --> 00:37:21,518
Speaker 4: the six or seventh inning and he's like looking at

735
00:37:21,558 --> 00:37:23,398
Speaker 4: me with a helmet right next to him with a bat,

736
00:37:23,438 --> 00:37:25,198
Speaker 4: like he's ready to he's ready to get in the game.

737
00:37:25,478 --> 00:37:28,438
Speaker 4: And that's everything you want. It's everything you want a player,

738
00:37:28,478 --> 00:37:29,958
Speaker 4: and he's gonna have a huge future.

739
00:37:31,118 --> 00:37:34,518
Speaker 2: That's awesome job. I'm sure you can relate to that.

740
00:37:34,758 --> 00:37:39,598
Speaker 1: And and empowering the right guys to set the tone.

741
00:37:39,718 --> 00:37:43,198
Speaker 2: Nothing like leadership from from among a peer.

742
00:37:43,958 --> 00:37:47,038
Speaker 3: That's always the best form of leadership. You know. Peer

743
00:37:47,118 --> 00:37:51,758
Speaker 3: pressure should bring out the best in you. The acceptance

744
00:37:52,038 --> 00:37:54,558
Speaker 3: of your teammates or the non acceptance is a very

745
00:37:54,598 --> 00:37:58,958
Speaker 3: powerful tool either way. When you get that kind of leadership,

746
00:37:58,958 --> 00:38:01,078
Speaker 3: that kind of vibe from your boys in the room,

747
00:38:01,918 --> 00:38:03,678
Speaker 3: and all I have to like like hid to just

748
00:38:03,718 --> 00:38:06,318
Speaker 3: talk about your only interfere when it's absolutely necessary. You

749
00:38:06,358 --> 00:38:10,838
Speaker 3: don't want interfere. When you get that kind of working

750
00:38:10,878 --> 00:38:14,878
Speaker 3: relationship in your clubhouse, Wow, that's what really spectacular things

751
00:38:14,878 --> 00:38:17,558
Speaker 3: can happen. You have grown ups and hyder and I

752
00:38:17,838 --> 00:38:19,838
Speaker 3: tell Brandan this all the time. I want grown ups.

753
00:38:19,878 --> 00:38:22,158
Speaker 3: I want grown ups, like grown up could be twenty

754
00:38:22,158 --> 00:38:24,478
Speaker 3: two and a grown up could be thirty three, where

755
00:38:24,678 --> 00:38:27,798
Speaker 3: a non grown up could be thirty three. It's just

756
00:38:28,038 --> 00:38:33,238
Speaker 3: grown ups. People that the good work ethic accountability. When

757
00:38:33,238 --> 00:38:34,878
Speaker 3: they screw up, they say I screwed up. They don't

758
00:38:34,878 --> 00:38:38,318
Speaker 3: say my bad, they said I screwed up. I like

759
00:38:38,478 --> 00:38:41,278
Speaker 3: a high level of accountability, and that to means where

760
00:38:41,558 --> 00:38:46,078
Speaker 3: the leadership begins. When you walk into locker room. As

761
00:38:46,118 --> 00:38:49,878
Speaker 3: a leader, you're more concerned about everybody else first and

762
00:38:49,918 --> 00:38:53,918
Speaker 3: then about you. Best way I could describe locker room leadership.

763
00:38:53,918 --> 00:38:57,038
Speaker 3: And even when you walk in a room, tell me,

764
00:38:57,078 --> 00:38:59,238
Speaker 3: you know who those guys are, hiders known for years

765
00:38:59,278 --> 00:39:01,438
Speaker 3: and we all know that these are the guys that

766
00:39:01,558 --> 00:39:05,478
Speaker 3: really can lead, can't You can't fake it. I mean

767
00:39:05,598 --> 00:39:09,558
Speaker 3: the the posers. Everybody knows who the posers are and

768
00:39:09,598 --> 00:39:14,438
Speaker 3: there are there that they do exist. And so from

769
00:39:14,438 --> 00:39:16,918
Speaker 3: the outside looking in, you may think that this person

770
00:39:17,358 --> 00:39:19,838
Speaker 3: based on the back of the bubblegum card is that

771
00:39:19,918 --> 00:39:22,318
Speaker 3: kind of a leader, but he's not. So it could

772
00:39:22,318 --> 00:39:24,638
Speaker 3: be a bench player, like talked about David Ross with

773
00:39:24,758 --> 00:39:26,838
Speaker 3: us Ross, you played how many games? I don't even

774
00:39:26,878 --> 00:39:30,118
Speaker 3: know that you're leader on that particular team, they'll question.

775
00:39:31,918 --> 00:39:34,638
Speaker 3: So it comes in different shapes and sizes. But you

776
00:39:34,678 --> 00:39:36,918
Speaker 3: can't win without it. And the more you have to

777
00:39:36,918 --> 00:39:38,638
Speaker 3: interfere in your locker room and the more you have

778
00:39:38,718 --> 00:39:40,398
Speaker 3: to have meetings, the worst you're going to be.

779
00:39:40,638 --> 00:39:43,158
Speaker 4: You know. That's what I think about that sixteen team

780
00:39:43,518 --> 00:39:46,318
Speaker 4: was how many adults we had on the team with

781
00:39:46,878 --> 00:39:50,198
Speaker 4: we had children, but we also had adults, right, That's right,

782
00:39:50,278 --> 00:39:54,118
Speaker 4: we did, and the adults were as professional as you

783
00:39:54,118 --> 00:39:57,158
Speaker 4: could possibly get. And I'll start with Ben's obras. Zoe

784
00:39:57,278 --> 00:40:00,878
Speaker 4: completely for me changed the entire just everything, the way

785
00:40:00,918 --> 00:40:04,798
Speaker 4: we was able to manage the bat, just how unbelievable

786
00:40:04,798 --> 00:40:07,958
Speaker 4: he was to others, how nice of a person he was,

787
00:40:07,998 --> 00:40:11,038
Speaker 4: and how he I mean, this guy prepared better than

788
00:40:11,038 --> 00:40:13,478
Speaker 4: anybody I've ever seen at thirty eight years old. At

789
00:40:13,478 --> 00:40:15,758
Speaker 4: that time, we'd have to wait for him on the

790
00:40:15,798 --> 00:40:18,438
Speaker 4: bus because he was getting his workout in forty minutes

791
00:40:18,478 --> 00:40:21,838
Speaker 4: after every single game just to play the next day.

792
00:40:22,078 --> 00:40:25,438
Speaker 4: You know, So you go Zobras, Ross, Lackey, Montero. It

793
00:40:25,478 --> 00:40:27,398
Speaker 4: was just you go on and on about the adults

794
00:40:27,438 --> 00:40:31,438
Speaker 4: that we had on that team, and you know, we're

795
00:40:31,478 --> 00:40:33,598
Speaker 4: getting there here in Baltimore. We're going to get more

796
00:40:33,838 --> 00:40:37,038
Speaker 4: veteranlated here as years go on. But for me, that

797
00:40:37,158 --> 00:40:39,998
Speaker 4: was the hugest difference between fifteen and sixteen. Was there

798
00:40:40,598 --> 00:40:41,558
Speaker 4: more adults in the room.

799
00:40:42,078 --> 00:40:44,998
Speaker 1: Well, Brandon, you've been pushing the right buttons all year,

800
00:40:45,318 --> 00:40:47,598
Speaker 1: so we're going to put your decision making to the

801
00:40:47,638 --> 00:40:49,598
Speaker 1: test right here. We have a segment we like to

802
00:40:49,638 --> 00:40:52,398
Speaker 1: do with our guests, as we call it a reading

803
00:40:52,838 --> 00:40:53,598
Speaker 1: from the Book of.

804
00:40:53,598 --> 00:40:58,078
Speaker 2: Joe, where you get to pick a number.

805
00:40:58,238 --> 00:41:00,518
Speaker 1: Any page in our book three hundred and sixty eight

806
00:41:00,518 --> 00:41:04,278
Speaker 1: pages is the Book of Joe, and we'll crack and

807
00:41:04,318 --> 00:41:07,718
Speaker 1: open and see see what you picked, because we like

808
00:41:07,758 --> 00:41:10,358
Speaker 1: to think you can find something interesting anywhere in the book.

809
00:41:10,478 --> 00:41:13,958
Speaker 2: So it's your call. It's your choice, your decision to make.

810
00:41:14,438 --> 00:41:15,518
Speaker 2: What number would you like?

811
00:41:16,198 --> 00:41:19,318
Speaker 4: I'll go Joe's number seventy? Wow?

812
00:41:19,558 --> 00:41:23,998
Speaker 2: How about that? That is unselfish. The guy picks your number, Joe,

813
00:41:24,158 --> 00:41:24,758
Speaker 2: not his own.

814
00:41:25,118 --> 00:41:25,398
Speaker 3: Nice.

815
00:41:25,518 --> 00:41:27,678
Speaker 4: His number is way more cool than mine.

816
00:41:27,718 --> 00:41:29,438
Speaker 3: Where are you at? Now? What's your number? Now?

817
00:41:29,478 --> 00:41:32,558
Speaker 4: Eighteen? It's like super boring, It's like everybody's got the eighteen.

818
00:41:32,998 --> 00:41:40,078
Speaker 5: Yeah, Ryan Klesko, Yeah, this is interesting because this one

819
00:41:40,358 --> 00:41:45,518
Speaker 5: is about aj Hinch and a manager's responsibility to protect players.

820
00:41:45,638 --> 00:41:48,678
Speaker 1: Because this is about Game seven of the twenty nineteen

821
00:41:48,718 --> 00:41:52,038
Speaker 1: World Series Washington and Houston, where he's got Garrett Cole

822
00:41:52,718 --> 00:41:56,398
Speaker 1: on short rest in his bullpen. And the question for

823
00:41:56,478 --> 00:41:59,638
Speaker 1: a manager is this guy's about to be a free agent.

824
00:42:00,478 --> 00:42:03,398
Speaker 1: Do you use the player in that situation and let

825
00:42:03,438 --> 00:42:05,998
Speaker 1: him know for a game? Hey, are you available in

826
00:42:06,038 --> 00:42:10,918
Speaker 1: what situation? So this is the way that aj Hinch

827
00:42:10,958 --> 00:42:13,478
Speaker 1: explained that he said after his start in Game five

828
00:42:13,518 --> 00:42:16,518
Speaker 1: in Washington, we talked every day. There was a lot

829
00:42:16,558 --> 00:42:19,838
Speaker 1: at stake, either me in particular or the modern manager

830
00:42:19,838 --> 00:42:22,638
Speaker 1: in general. We are a little closer to the players

831
00:42:22,638 --> 00:42:25,278
Speaker 1: than they were back in the day. That creates its

832
00:42:25,358 --> 00:42:29,038
Speaker 1: own set of challenges. This isn't from Garrett. This is

833
00:42:29,118 --> 00:42:33,118
Speaker 1: coming from me from a financial standpoint. Contracts are available

834
00:42:33,118 --> 00:42:36,718
Speaker 1: to everyone these days. There's a greater knowledge and acknowledgment

835
00:42:36,758 --> 00:42:41,158
Speaker 1: of outside influences with the modern day manager. Managers didn't

836
00:42:41,158 --> 00:42:43,398
Speaker 1: feel like it was front and center back in the day.

837
00:42:44,038 --> 00:42:48,558
Speaker 1: Now there's personal responsibility. Now people weigh in on every

838
00:42:48,638 --> 00:42:53,118
Speaker 1: pitching program with all thirty teams, their rehab programs, shoulder exercises.

839
00:42:53,198 --> 00:42:57,158
Speaker 1: The modern access to information across these topics is multiplying

840
00:42:57,598 --> 00:43:01,318
Speaker 1: that influence is the manager. So he went into this

841
00:43:01,438 --> 00:43:04,878
Speaker 1: game telling Garrett Cole he would only use him to

842
00:43:04,998 --> 00:43:08,718
Speaker 1: start an inning to protect the lead late in the game,

843
00:43:09,278 --> 00:43:11,398
Speaker 1: and as it turns out, they had a lead, but

844
00:43:11,438 --> 00:43:13,878
Speaker 1: it was in the eighth inning in a dirty situation.

845
00:43:14,038 --> 00:43:15,398
Speaker 2: Didn't use Garrett Cole.

846
00:43:16,558 --> 00:43:20,598
Speaker 1: I found his story there really fascinating, guys, because the

847
00:43:20,718 --> 00:43:23,918
Speaker 1: job has changed. You know, the day when the manager

848
00:43:24,238 --> 00:43:27,158
Speaker 1: had all the information and wasn't questioned about it.

849
00:43:27,318 --> 00:43:28,798
Speaker 2: Obviously, those are long gone.

850
00:43:29,438 --> 00:43:31,598
Speaker 1: Now he's talking about a guy who's about to be

851
00:43:31,678 --> 00:43:35,038
Speaker 1: a free agent, and everything that go is entailed in

852
00:43:35,078 --> 00:43:39,718
Speaker 1: that situation. I just found it fascinating that so much

853
00:43:39,798 --> 00:43:43,038
Speaker 1: goes into especially when it comes to pitching, but managerial

854
00:43:43,078 --> 00:43:45,998
Speaker 1: game decisions, even if you're talking about Game seven of

855
00:43:46,038 --> 00:43:49,478
Speaker 1: the World Series that the average fan has no clue about.

856
00:43:49,838 --> 00:43:52,158
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, there's a lot that goes into

857
00:43:52,198 --> 00:43:53,998
Speaker 3: that moment like you're describing right now, and it's just

858
00:43:54,038 --> 00:43:55,838
Speaker 3: not cut and dried by any means. First of all,

859
00:43:55,878 --> 00:43:57,878
Speaker 3: we had the same thing. We had Arieta and Lackey

860
00:43:57,878 --> 00:43:58,398
Speaker 3: in the bullpen.

861
00:43:58,518 --> 00:43:59,438
Speaker 4: I was going to bring that up.

862
00:43:59,478 --> 00:44:02,438
Speaker 3: I remember, yeah, right, but they haven't done it. They

863
00:44:02,438 --> 00:44:04,558
Speaker 3: have not done that. It's not just like you're just

864
00:44:04,558 --> 00:44:06,278
Speaker 3: not going to Sashey out of there and be able

865
00:44:06,318 --> 00:44:08,238
Speaker 3: to do that. We did that with David Price in

866
00:44:08,358 --> 00:44:10,158
Speaker 3: zero eight, but we had gotten him into the bullpen

867
00:44:10,198 --> 00:44:13,118
Speaker 3: a little bit before that and felt somewhat more comfortable.

868
00:44:13,158 --> 00:44:15,318
Speaker 3: Plus he was just our best option. So for me,

869
00:44:15,358 --> 00:44:18,398
Speaker 3: I would use Arieta and Lackey only if we had

870
00:44:18,438 --> 00:44:20,678
Speaker 3: run out of our normal choices, the guys that hadn't

871
00:44:20,678 --> 00:44:24,038
Speaker 3: really done that, if those guys were not being very

872
00:44:24,038 --> 00:44:26,958
Speaker 3: good right now or really tired right now, then you

873
00:44:27,078 --> 00:44:31,118
Speaker 3: might go to Plan B like that. But overarching regarding

874
00:44:31,198 --> 00:44:34,158
Speaker 3: regardless of all that, to me, it's still this is typical.

875
00:44:34,438 --> 00:44:36,238
Speaker 3: You have to develop your own method. I don't care

876
00:44:36,278 --> 00:44:39,798
Speaker 3: what the organ the industry says, what do the astros think,

877
00:44:39,838 --> 00:44:42,078
Speaker 3: what do the cubs think, what do the Orioles think.

878
00:44:42,438 --> 00:44:44,158
Speaker 3: These are the kind of questions you have to do

879
00:44:44,238 --> 00:44:48,038
Speaker 3: internally and not necessarily, not necessarily, just not be influenced

880
00:44:48,038 --> 00:44:50,438
Speaker 3: by anybody else. This is what we think. And I

881
00:44:50,478 --> 00:44:53,118
Speaker 3: think that's part of my issue with the way the

882
00:44:53,158 --> 00:44:55,038
Speaker 3: game is right now. It's kind of a five hundred

883
00:44:55,398 --> 00:44:58,198
Speaker 3: industry right now. Fifty to fifty were a lot of

884
00:44:58,198 --> 00:45:01,758
Speaker 3: teams in that general vicinity because everybody's working up the

885
00:45:01,758 --> 00:45:04,558
Speaker 3: same sheet of music. I think the group that the

886
00:45:04,638 --> 00:45:07,158
Speaker 3: race definitely don't work off the same sheeting music. They

887
00:45:07,478 --> 00:45:09,638
Speaker 3: create the music and everybody else tries to play it.

888
00:45:10,038 --> 00:45:13,078
Speaker 3: So go out there and create your own method of operation.

889
00:45:13,678 --> 00:45:15,718
Speaker 3: Don't listen to anybody else just because they do it.

890
00:45:15,758 --> 00:45:18,238
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean it's right or if ten teams do it,

891
00:45:18,318 --> 00:45:20,678
Speaker 3: if you don't agree, don't do it. But I think

892
00:45:20,678 --> 00:45:24,158
Speaker 3: that's part of what's going on. And so I've made

893
00:45:24,198 --> 00:45:26,518
Speaker 3: this argument in meetings that even recently is a couple

894
00:45:26,478 --> 00:45:29,358
Speaker 3: of years ago. Be your own man, be your own group,

895
00:45:29,398 --> 00:45:33,918
Speaker 3: be your own organization, and you decide how to do

896
00:45:33,958 --> 00:45:39,598
Speaker 3: this independent of group think, because groupthink is very boring

897
00:45:40,118 --> 00:45:43,198
Speaker 3: and it doesn't necessarily work when it comes to including

898
00:45:43,278 --> 00:45:46,478
Speaker 3: like again, fifteen or twenty teams, how would they do it? No,

899
00:45:46,798 --> 00:45:48,798
Speaker 3: how would you do it? And stick with that?

900
00:45:49,958 --> 00:45:52,558
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that advice, Joe. In fact, it reminds me.

901
00:45:52,638 --> 00:45:56,758
Speaker 1: I talked to college students, high school students, people who

902
00:45:56,798 --> 00:45:59,158
Speaker 1: want to be journalists, and I tell them, if your

903
00:45:59,238 --> 00:46:02,558
Speaker 1: goal is to be like others, guess what, that's the

904
00:46:02,598 --> 00:46:05,398
Speaker 1: definition of average. If you're someone who wants to shoot

905
00:46:05,438 --> 00:46:06,478
Speaker 1: above average, you.

906
00:46:06,438 --> 00:46:07,398
Speaker 2: Find your own path.

907
00:46:07,438 --> 00:46:09,878
Speaker 1: You'd be the best version of yourself rather than try

908
00:46:09,918 --> 00:46:12,758
Speaker 1: to be like the crowd.

909
00:46:14,158 --> 00:46:16,238
Speaker 2: So it's great advice and Brandon for you.

910
00:46:16,958 --> 00:46:19,598
Speaker 1: Last question for you, as you're running games now in

911
00:46:19,638 --> 00:46:22,198
Speaker 1: the major leagues and there is so much that goes

912
00:46:22,238 --> 00:46:26,078
Speaker 1: into decision making, how has it changed for you with

913
00:46:26,158 --> 00:46:29,478
Speaker 1: the more experience that you have in this job in

914
00:46:29,558 --> 00:46:32,358
Speaker 1: terms of what Joe calls those blink moments where you

915
00:46:32,478 --> 00:46:35,438
Speaker 1: have to make those tough decisions in real time.

916
00:46:35,918 --> 00:46:38,838
Speaker 4: Well, I think the more games that you manage and

917
00:46:38,878 --> 00:46:42,078
Speaker 4: the more experiences that you have, there's experiences to go

918
00:46:42,118 --> 00:46:45,198
Speaker 4: back on. I like to evaluate myself on a nightly basis. Honestly,

919
00:46:46,158 --> 00:46:48,518
Speaker 4: I kind of torture myself a little bit. Probably shouldn't,

920
00:46:48,518 --> 00:46:52,598
Speaker 4: but I usually watch every over again either that night,

921
00:46:53,038 --> 00:46:55,438
Speaker 4: usually that night if we won, or the next morning

922
00:46:55,478 --> 00:46:59,558
Speaker 4: if we lose, just to see was I thinking the

923
00:46:59,598 --> 00:47:03,478
Speaker 4: same thing that I'm seeing here now? And I also,

924
00:47:04,438 --> 00:47:06,238
Speaker 4: you know, Freddy Gonzalez is on my bench. He's got

925
00:47:06,238 --> 00:47:08,918
Speaker 4: a lot of managing experience. Also, I run things by

926
00:47:08,998 --> 00:47:13,398
Speaker 4: him constantly the next day too. Would you have done this?

927
00:47:14,038 --> 00:47:18,438
Speaker 4: You think of the same thing with me there. So, honestly,

928
00:47:18,438 --> 00:47:21,958
Speaker 4: I'm pretty tough evaluator and greater on myself. So when

929
00:47:22,438 --> 00:47:25,478
Speaker 4: situations come again, I don't want to make the same

930
00:47:25,518 --> 00:47:30,358
Speaker 4: mistake twice. Or maybe I thought I did it correctly,

931
00:47:31,598 --> 00:47:36,678
Speaker 4: because obviously the game happens super fast at times. The

932
00:47:36,758 --> 00:47:38,638
Speaker 4: last three innings move a lot faster than the first

933
00:47:38,678 --> 00:47:42,758
Speaker 4: three innings, and I just try to stay as far

934
00:47:42,838 --> 00:47:45,278
Speaker 4: ahead as I possibly can. I try to go into

935
00:47:45,318 --> 00:47:50,038
Speaker 4: the game with a game plan with all that sorts

936
00:47:50,078 --> 00:47:53,558
Speaker 4: of scenarios where if I have five relievers, I know

937
00:47:53,638 --> 00:47:56,558
Speaker 4: Joe did this. If I have five relievers available that night,

938
00:47:57,358 --> 00:48:00,358
Speaker 4: here's this, here's the best case scenarios, here's the worst

939
00:48:00,438 --> 00:48:05,238
Speaker 4: case scenarios. Here's the pockets. I like certain guys. So

940
00:48:05,318 --> 00:48:07,598
Speaker 4: I try to cover all my bases prior to seven

941
00:48:07,718 --> 00:48:11,118
Speaker 4: h five. But then, as you know, things happen so

942
00:48:11,238 --> 00:48:15,838
Speaker 4: fast that stuff changes quick. Stuff changes quickly, and all

943
00:48:15,838 --> 00:48:18,638
Speaker 4: of a sudden you're moving to plan B. But just

944
00:48:18,638 --> 00:48:21,318
Speaker 4: try to be as prepared as I can possibly pregame,

945
00:48:21,878 --> 00:48:26,278
Speaker 4: stay ahead as I can't. My ultimate fear, and the

946
00:48:26,318 --> 00:48:28,918
Speaker 4: one thing that I feel like i'm as I'm proud

947
00:48:28,958 --> 00:48:33,678
Speaker 4: of is that I'm rarely late. I am fearful of

948
00:48:33,718 --> 00:48:37,278
Speaker 4: being late on anything that I do. And so because

949
00:48:37,278 --> 00:48:40,238
Speaker 4: of that, I think, and Freddy is the same way

950
00:48:40,278 --> 00:48:42,718
Speaker 4: next to me a little bit. I think I'm pretty prepared,

951
00:48:43,038 --> 00:48:45,758
Speaker 4: and and that's that's me. That's important.

952
00:48:46,038 --> 00:48:48,198
Speaker 3: Well, you just you just describe Gene Mak's advice to

953
00:48:48,238 --> 00:48:52,758
Speaker 3: me in nineteen eighty four, something like that. He came

954
00:48:52,878 --> 00:48:54,398
Speaker 3: up to me one day and he says, you know,

955
00:48:54,478 --> 00:48:57,438
Speaker 3: you play the game three times. Okay, kay, Jane, what

956
00:48:57,438 --> 00:49:00,198
Speaker 3: do you got. You play the game before, obviously, you

957
00:49:00,238 --> 00:49:01,958
Speaker 3: play the game during, and you play the game after.

958
00:49:02,638 --> 00:49:05,678
Speaker 3: And when you when you do that on a nightly basis,

959
00:49:05,718 --> 00:49:09,238
Speaker 3: just like you're saying your your own worst critic, your

960
00:49:09,278 --> 00:49:11,998
Speaker 3: harshest critic you when you know you screwed something up, man,

961
00:49:12,038 --> 00:49:14,518
Speaker 3: that's why you don't sleep. I mean, you know, one

962
00:49:14,518 --> 00:49:16,558
Speaker 3: of your short stop makes an aeron a ninth inning

963
00:49:16,558 --> 00:49:19,078
Speaker 3: and you lose, that doesn't bother you. But when you

964
00:49:19,118 --> 00:49:20,838
Speaker 3: make the air and the night mental era the ninth

965
00:49:20,838 --> 00:49:23,398
Speaker 3: inning and you lose, that really does bother you. And

966
00:49:23,438 --> 00:49:26,798
Speaker 3: that's that's the exactly what Jane talked about, and that's

967
00:49:26,838 --> 00:49:29,198
Speaker 3: something I tried to do. I know Tommy's about ready

968
00:49:29,238 --> 00:49:30,598
Speaker 3: to sign off, so I'm just going to jump in

969
00:49:30,638 --> 00:49:32,878
Speaker 3: here quick by saying, you know, people that are watching

970
00:49:32,918 --> 00:49:36,558
Speaker 3: this right now, I'm reminded and hope you are finding

971
00:49:36,558 --> 00:49:38,638
Speaker 3: out for the first time. I enjoyed working with Brandon

972
00:49:38,718 --> 00:49:45,278
Speaker 3: so much again. He is prepared. He's highly prepared, great

973
00:49:45,318 --> 00:49:49,758
Speaker 3: bedside matter. He was as a bench coach. God had

974
00:49:49,798 --> 00:49:52,838
Speaker 3: so much confidence in everything that he did, never questioned

975
00:49:52,838 --> 00:49:55,158
Speaker 3: it because they knew it was right and anyway. So

976
00:49:55,198 --> 00:49:57,358
Speaker 3: that's that's a big reason why the Orioles are in

977
00:49:57,398 --> 00:49:59,998
Speaker 3: the position that they are right now because of his

978
00:50:00,118 --> 00:50:03,518
Speaker 3: leadership and how he attacks the day, which I really

979
00:50:04,318 --> 00:50:07,838
Speaker 3: appreciate because it is familiar, quite frankly, but he has

980
00:50:07,878 --> 00:50:09,558
Speaker 3: such a good way of putting it across and that's

981
00:50:09,598 --> 00:50:12,278
Speaker 3: why the O's are doing as well as they are.

982
00:50:13,038 --> 00:50:14,718
Speaker 3: Thank you, Joe.

983
00:50:14,838 --> 00:50:15,838
Speaker 2: I would second all that.

984
00:50:15,918 --> 00:50:18,518
Speaker 1: It's great to see in this game the people who

985
00:50:18,558 --> 00:50:21,078
Speaker 1: really pay their dues, the good people of this game

986
00:50:21,118 --> 00:50:24,878
Speaker 1: get rewarded, and it's just starting the rewards from Brandon Hyde.

987
00:50:24,918 --> 00:50:27,198
Speaker 1: So Brandon, thanks so much for joining us. It's a

988
00:50:27,238 --> 00:50:30,718
Speaker 1: pleasure spending time with you and watching your team on

989
00:50:30,718 --> 00:50:31,638
Speaker 1: a nightly basis.

990
00:50:31,918 --> 00:50:33,998
Speaker 4: It's awesome talking to you. Great to see you guys,

991
00:50:34,038 --> 00:50:35,358
Speaker 4: and thanks so much for having me on.

992
00:50:35,838 --> 00:50:38,558
Speaker 1: Well, it was a really interesting visit. As I knew

993
00:50:38,598 --> 00:50:41,038
Speaker 1: it would be, Joe, and you obviously know him as well.

994
00:50:41,038 --> 00:50:44,558
Speaker 1: By the way, You've got a little bit of a

995
00:50:44,598 --> 00:50:46,558
Speaker 1: managerial tree developing here.

996
00:50:46,598 --> 00:50:48,918
Speaker 2: I'm looking around major League Baseball these days.

997
00:50:49,078 --> 00:50:52,878
Speaker 1: It's not just Brandon Hyde, Dave Martinez, Gabe Kapler, Rocco

998
00:50:52,998 --> 00:50:58,438
Speaker 1: Bell Deli, Matt Quatrro, I'm probably Phil Nevin, Derek Shelton,

999
00:50:58,558 --> 00:50:59,278
Speaker 1: Buddy Black.

1000
00:50:59,998 --> 00:51:01,638
Speaker 2: I mean, you got to be proud when you.

1001
00:51:01,598 --> 00:51:04,558
Speaker 1: See some of these guys, especially Brandon, having success at

1002
00:51:04,558 --> 00:51:05,398
Speaker 1: the big lead level.

1003
00:51:05,838 --> 00:51:09,678
Speaker 3: It definitely I definitely pay attention. I just wrote down

1004
00:51:09,758 --> 00:51:13,558
Speaker 3: earlier I left to see a Pittsburgh Baltimore World series.

1005
00:51:13,558 --> 00:51:15,438
Speaker 3: I think it was nineteen seventy nine, the last time

1006
00:51:15,478 --> 00:51:18,638
Speaker 3: it happened. How about that happened to me? How fun

1007
00:51:18,678 --> 00:51:22,998
Speaker 3: would that be? But after watching being participating in that,

1008
00:51:23,078 --> 00:51:25,158
Speaker 3: I think people that are watching it right now, the

1009
00:51:25,278 --> 00:51:28,038
Speaker 3: one way that really jumps out about Hyder is authenticity.

1010
00:51:28,598 --> 00:51:32,238
Speaker 3: The guy's just who he is. There's nothing false phony

1011
00:51:32,398 --> 00:51:36,478
Speaker 3: about Hyder at all, and I know that's exactly what

1012
00:51:36,518 --> 00:51:38,798
Speaker 3: his players appreciated about him, and that's what's going to

1013
00:51:38,798 --> 00:51:40,638
Speaker 3: create longevity for him in the game. You can think

1014
00:51:40,638 --> 00:51:43,518
Speaker 3: about Boach being in a very similar way Snicker a

1015
00:51:43,678 --> 00:51:47,038
Speaker 3: very similar way. Well, you get that kind of authenticity,

1016
00:51:47,118 --> 00:51:49,318
Speaker 3: it resonates for a long period of time and it

1017
00:51:49,358 --> 00:51:50,358
Speaker 3: really never gets old.

1018
00:51:50,958 --> 00:51:51,798
Speaker 2: It's well said.

1019
00:51:52,118 --> 00:51:54,478
Speaker 1: In going back to the story he's told about getting

1020
00:51:54,558 --> 00:51:58,558
Speaker 1: hired in Baltimore. I'm sure Michael Elias, who really didn't

1021
00:51:58,558 --> 00:52:00,998
Speaker 1: have a history with him, picked up on exactly what

1022
00:52:01,078 --> 00:52:01,518
Speaker 1: you said.

1023
00:52:01,598 --> 00:52:03,838
Speaker 2: The authenticity. It sounded like it clicked a meeta.

1024
00:52:04,358 --> 00:52:07,038
Speaker 1: And for someone you know, like Mike getting to run

1025
00:52:07,038 --> 00:52:09,198
Speaker 1: a team for the first time and his first managerial

1026
00:52:09,358 --> 00:52:12,838
Speaker 1: hire hires someone without managerial experience in the big leagues,

1027
00:52:13,198 --> 00:52:16,278
Speaker 1: I think it says a lot about who Brandon is

1028
00:52:16,278 --> 00:52:16,878
Speaker 1: as a person.

1029
00:52:17,398 --> 00:52:20,078
Speaker 3: I don't know Mike, but I really, I mean, obviously

1030
00:52:20,558 --> 00:52:22,958
Speaker 3: I'm a fan now just because how patient he was

1031
00:52:23,798 --> 00:52:26,158
Speaker 3: with through this whole moment. Because when the when he

1032
00:52:26,238 --> 00:52:29,038
Speaker 3: hired Hyder, the team wasn't good. It was he was

1033
00:52:29,078 --> 00:52:31,518
Speaker 3: putting it together, not Brandon, and he was patient with

1034
00:52:31,598 --> 00:52:34,718
Speaker 3: all those steps. And that to me is that really

1035
00:52:35,078 --> 00:52:38,598
Speaker 3: stands out stands out for me or to me. And

1036
00:52:38,638 --> 00:52:41,398
Speaker 3: I thought was great because as they started getting better,

1037
00:52:41,478 --> 00:52:43,478
Speaker 3: My only concern was that they would think, all of

1038
00:52:43,518 --> 00:52:45,478
Speaker 3: a sudden, they have to do something different in that share,

1039
00:52:45,798 --> 00:52:48,398
Speaker 3: but they don't. Just Hider can handle it. Hier can

1040
00:52:48,398 --> 00:52:51,638
Speaker 3: handle the toughest moments. He is going to be under control,

1041
00:52:51,678 --> 00:52:54,918
Speaker 3: He's going to be prepared. He's not intimidated by anybody.

1042
00:52:54,918 --> 00:52:58,678
Speaker 3: This guy's this guy's actually pretty tough. Him versus Davey

1043
00:52:58,678 --> 00:53:00,678
Speaker 3: Martinez in the boxing, we would be kind of interesting

1044
00:53:00,718 --> 00:53:04,318
Speaker 3: to watch. So I have so much confidence and faith

1045
00:53:04,318 --> 00:53:07,358
Speaker 3: in him. Great hire by Baltimore, and it's going to

1046
00:53:07,438 --> 00:53:07,798
Speaker 3: work out.

1047
00:53:08,398 --> 00:53:09,598
Speaker 2: There's no question about that.

1048
00:53:09,718 --> 00:53:11,878
Speaker 1: Okay, Joe got something to take us out here on

1049
00:53:11,918 --> 00:53:13,158
Speaker 1: this latest edition.

1050
00:53:13,118 --> 00:53:14,038
Speaker 2: Of the Book of Joe.

1051
00:53:14,518 --> 00:53:16,838
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to Benny Franklin this time about me,

1052
00:53:17,438 --> 00:53:20,478
Speaker 3: and this is perfect. I mean, this is who I am.

1053
00:53:20,998 --> 00:53:24,438
Speaker 3: Tell me and I forget God so easily teach me

1054
00:53:24,638 --> 00:53:29,358
Speaker 3: and I remember, involve me, and I learned. Wow, guys

1055
00:53:29,438 --> 00:53:31,558
Speaker 3: like Benny Franklin sitting around I don't know if they

1056
00:53:31,558 --> 00:53:33,758
Speaker 3: had something in that piper or nod or a cup

1057
00:53:33,758 --> 00:53:35,838
Speaker 3: of coffee, whatever he was doing, but always put the

1058
00:53:35,918 --> 00:53:38,918
Speaker 3: other words in a way and thoughts that were spectacular

1059
00:53:38,998 --> 00:53:41,398
Speaker 3: involved me, and I learned. That's exactly what you want

1060
00:53:41,398 --> 00:53:42,198
Speaker 3: to do as your players.

1061
00:53:42,518 --> 00:53:46,278
Speaker 1: I love that word involve Great episode, Joe, that was

1062
00:53:46,318 --> 00:53:47,158
Speaker 1: really enjoyable.

1063
00:53:47,398 --> 00:53:49,038
Speaker 2: Let's do it again next week.

1064
00:53:49,078 --> 00:53:50,798
Speaker 3: You too, buddy, Thanks a lot. I appreciate it.

1065
00:53:59,958 --> 00:54:03,198
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1066
00:54:03,398 --> 00:54:08,398
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1067
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