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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and this week on the show, I'm joined
Speaker 1: by Bobby Kendall and Toby Stay of the White Tailed
Speaker 1: Group to discuss their approach to building elite white tail
Speaker 1: hunting properties. All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast,
Speaker 1: brought to you by First Light. Today we are continuing
Speaker 1: our Habitat Month series and we've got two really interesting guests.
Speaker 1: We've got a set of ideas, concepts, and philosophies that
Speaker 1: I think are very next level. We get into the
Speaker 1: nitty gritty on some stuff that I think the real
Speaker 1: white tail habitat crazy is out there that are listening
Speaker 1: right now like me, are going to find really interesting.
Speaker 1: My guests today are Bobby Kendall and Toby Stay of
Speaker 1: the White Tail Group, So two guys who are absolutely
Speaker 1: addicted to taking white tail properties to the next level
Speaker 1: and their own hunting to that level too, and they've
Speaker 1: done it not just for themselves, but on a wider
Speaker 1: scale for other people through their company, the White Tail Group.
Speaker 1: The white Tail Group does a number of things. They
Speaker 1: provide land consultations, They've got a logging division that focuses
Speaker 1: on conducting logging projects with a white tail focus. They
Speaker 1: build a bunch of different products for hunting, their own
Speaker 1: tree koise, box, blind stuff like that. But most notably,
Speaker 1: they buy and sell developed farms. And it's this last
Speaker 1: part that caught my attention. Over on their YouTube channel
Speaker 1: where they showcase all this stuff. Over there, you can
Speaker 1: follow their projects as they buy these raw pieces of
Speaker 1: ground and then transform them over the course of months,
Speaker 1: sometimes years, into what they call elite white tail hunting experiences.
Speaker 1: And in watching these videos, I've been able to witness,
Speaker 1: you know, Bobby and Toby's extreme attention to detail, and
Speaker 1: I think I think it's fair to say are a
Speaker 1: pretty outside the box approach in many cases to building,
Speaker 1: manipulating and improving white tail habitat. They're they're really building
Speaker 1: true white tail Mecca's absolute dream scenarios, and they're sharing
Speaker 1: a lot of the ideas that they're using to create
Speaker 1: these places. Um, which is why I found their video series,
Speaker 1: very very interesting, and why it seemed like they would
Speaker 1: be the perfect guests to join us here for another
Speaker 1: installment during our habitat month. Now, I will say, um,
Speaker 1: I think it's probably fair to say the approach the
Speaker 1: Bobby and Toby you in their land work might not
Speaker 1: be for everyone. It's probably not going to be for everyone.
Speaker 1: There's there's a level here of manipulation and influencing of
Speaker 1: deer movement through some of their projects that is definitely
Speaker 1: more extreme than most. Uh. It's it's quite effective, it seems,
Speaker 1: but it's probably or possibly going to seem like too
Speaker 1: much to some people, not to mention, you know, very
Speaker 1: time and resource intensive as well. So this this stuff
Speaker 1: might not be for everyone, and there might be some
Speaker 1: people who hear this and say, oh, this is this
Speaker 1: is too much, this is too heavy handed. You're forcing
Speaker 1: the deer to do things, um that are outside of
Speaker 1: the natural, and that's fair feedback. I guess I don't
Speaker 1: have a position on it that I'm going to put
Speaker 1: out here right now. I think I have um a
Speaker 1: level of intrigue in the ideas that they're presenting, and
Speaker 1: I will leave it up to all of you to
Speaker 1: decide whether or not it's appropriate for the hunting experience
Speaker 1: or the goals that you have. So whether you want
Speaker 1: to follow Bobby and Toby's prescriptions to a t or
Speaker 1: just borrow a few small ideas here and there and
Speaker 1: you know, disregard the rest um. I do think there's
Speaker 1: something we can learn today. And I guess that ties
Speaker 1: into something that these guys focus on, which is this
Speaker 1: group part of the white Tail group name and what
Speaker 1: it alludes to, you know, according to Bobby, is the
Speaker 1: fact that you know, they've been trying to develop a
Speaker 1: crew that wants to pull an idea from all sorts
Speaker 1: of different people, you know, and talking to Bobby prior
Speaker 1: to our conversation, he emphasized the fact that, you know,
Speaker 1: there's no one right way to do this, there's no
Speaker 1: single way you have to do this, uh, And that's
Speaker 1: why they've pulled in a lot of different people to
Speaker 1: partner with, to work on projects with, to consult with,
Speaker 1: folks like Lelakowski, Ben Rising, Mark Luster uh and a
Speaker 1: number of other folks. And I think it shows in
Speaker 1: the diverse approaches and ideas that they bring to the
Speaker 1: table for you know, land improvement and hunting. So I
Speaker 1: guess that's all to say. I think today's episode is
Speaker 1: is a banger. I mean, I think it's really interesting.
Speaker 1: If you are a white tail habitat junkie, this one
Speaker 1: is for you. This is this is an advanced conversation.
Speaker 1: We go into some realty nitt nitty gritty details, some
Speaker 1: different kind of concepts with a with a strong eye
Speaker 1: towards this very strategic, highly planned set of improvements that
Speaker 1: can create high odds hunting scenarios. So we're talking strategic,
Speaker 1: you know, very strategic food plot designs and setups. We're
Speaker 1: talking next level access ideas, some really unique approaches to
Speaker 1: creating betting areas that are specifically designed for hunting opportunities,
Speaker 1: and and much much more. So, give this one a listen.
Speaker 1: Filter it through. What seems appropriate in your scenario, what
Speaker 1: seems realistic in your scenario. Take some ideas, leave some ideas,
Speaker 1: find what's right, but learn something that's my wish for
Speaker 1: you today, and I think you certainly will. So, without
Speaker 1: further ado, let's get to my conversation with Bobby Kendall
Speaker 1: and Toby Stay all right here with me now on
Speaker 1: the line. I've got Bobby Kendall and Toby stay, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for making time to do this. Thanks.
Speaker 1: I'm looking I've been looking forward to this since. Man,
Speaker 1: it would have been this past October or November. I
Speaker 1: started thinking, Man, I gotta get these guys on the show.
Speaker 1: I had been sitting in the tree watching over some
Speaker 1: food plots of mine hunting and thinking to myself, I
Speaker 1: want to do this thing. I really gotta tweaked this
Speaker 1: thing next year. I gotta tweak this other thing, you know,
Speaker 1: this coming winter. I was thinking through all the different
Speaker 1: ideas like we do during hunting season. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I can't remember the exact moment, but somewhere along the
Speaker 1: way I was triggered. I remembered a YouTube thumbnail I
Speaker 1: saw from you guys at some point, and I remember thinking,
Speaker 1: I gotta go watch that video. I remember seeing it
Speaker 1: and thinking about it, like I gotta watch that. And
Speaker 1: then when I was hunting, I said, Okay, I gotta
Speaker 1: I gotta do it. And that night remember laying in
Speaker 1: bed and I just went down the White Tail Group wormhole.
Speaker 1: I mean I just watched everything, kept watching and watching
Speaker 1: it and watching. And then the next night and I
Speaker 1: remember in my rut my first week of rutcation in November,
Speaker 1: I remember watching some stuff and then listening to a
Speaker 1: conversation that Bobby You had with maybe Ben Rising on
Speaker 1: one of his shows, and I just went really deep
Speaker 1: into the Bobby and toil Be wormhole. I got to thinking,
Speaker 1: all right, it's time we gotta have this conversation. So
Speaker 1: this has been a long time coming, and you guys
Speaker 1: are part of what's basically our our month of deep
Speaker 1: dives into habitat here in the podcast, everybody this month
Speaker 1: is focused on how to improve habitat for white tails
Speaker 1: and for hunting um. And you guys do that like
Speaker 1: a lot of people, but I feel like you've got
Speaker 1: a little bit different angle than many folks do. And
Speaker 1: I'm curious about something you guys have written right across
Speaker 1: the top of your website, and it's something you talk
Speaker 1: a lot about and you mentioned within the introduction to
Speaker 1: a lot of your videos and different stuff like that,
Speaker 1: And that's the fact that you guys are trying to
Speaker 1: develop the elite white tail hunting experience. You developed farms
Speaker 1: for the elite white tail hunting experience. You've got plans
Speaker 1: and designs and ideas for an elite white tail hunting experience?
Speaker 1: What does that mean? How how do you guys define
Speaker 1: what the elite white tail hunting experiences that you guys
Speaker 1: are trying to build for yourselves or your clients. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Bobby, if you want to kick things
Speaker 1: off there, but what comes to mind when you guys
Speaker 1: define that for yourselves. Yeah, well, obviously, you know, we're
Speaker 1: die hard deer hunters. We're after, you know, the biggest
Speaker 1: buck in the woods, try and grow and hold them,
Speaker 1: all that stuff. But ironically, that question is the elite
Speaker 1: hunting experience white tail deer hunting experience is kind of
Speaker 1: a loaded question is different for all people. So some
Speaker 1: farms we developed, you know, we're developing specifically for a
Speaker 1: person that's having us find them a farm and develop it.
Speaker 1: And sometimes that's just somebody that's wanting to get out
Speaker 1: of the city. They want general deer hunting, they want
Speaker 1: plenty of stance for their their kids and family, they
Speaker 1: want to be able to write four wheelers in the offseason.
Speaker 1: So that experience is different for everybody. Although our our
Speaker 1: Forte and what what we what it's all built around,
Speaker 1: what we strive for is is to create the best
Speaker 1: chances of putting the biggest must mature deer in the
Speaker 1: area in front of you in bo range uh, consistently.
Speaker 1: So that that to me kind of defines what the
Speaker 1: elite white tail experiences. Would you add anything to that, Toby, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. You know, we're we can do the development
Speaker 1: for anybody anywhere, you know, anything that they're looking to
Speaker 1: do on the property, but we do lean more towards
Speaker 1: the the two. You know, the super elite trophy hunter
Speaker 1: that wants that special deer, and you know, to be
Speaker 1: able to consistently have an opportunity at that special deer
Speaker 1: or to grow him to hold them, it takes some
Speaker 1: outside of the box thinking and some over analyzing sometimes
Speaker 1: of things. And it's you know, we we want to
Speaker 1: shoot two and Innust year and we want to shoot
Speaker 1: blue and crocket deer on a consistent basis. And that's
Speaker 1: that's what I see the elite experience being. Okay, so
Speaker 1: if you had, if we were, if we were maybe
Speaker 1: standing up in front of an auditorium, there's a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of camo clad you know, drooling white tail hunters
Speaker 1: in the in the audience, just like dying to learn
Speaker 1: about how you guys do this. You're up there with
Speaker 1: a white white boar in the marker, and you were
Speaker 1: gonna write here one, two, three or one to three
Speaker 1: four the the core pillars of what creates that? Like
Speaker 1: what you must have to achieve that elite white tail
Speaker 1: hunting experience that you just described Tolby? You know what
Speaker 1: would be those three or four or however many things
Speaker 1: you would list off as like must have this, must
Speaker 1: have this, must have this, as this beginning foundational elements.
Speaker 1: What would be that thing to open up the classroom
Speaker 1: right now? Tell me what do you think you would
Speaker 1: write up there? The right neighborhood, correct access and low
Speaker 1: pressure three? What do you miss Bobby anything? Um? Well, no,
Speaker 1: I think he hit on, hit on it. So I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what I what I start out telling people,
Speaker 1: whether I'm going out and looking at a logging project
Speaker 1: we're doing for somebody, or you know, our our consults
Speaker 1: we do. I try and get people rethinking and you know,
Speaker 1: reevaluating and answer that is it's something that everybody in
Speaker 1: that room can do, whether whether that it's just you know,
Speaker 1: a lease, or it's a farm that they have full
Speaker 1: control and are gonna go bananason or if they just
Speaker 1: have the means to do a couple of things, that's
Speaker 1: something they can all do. And when I start my
Speaker 1: conversations with people um about and a lot of them
Speaker 1: are all gung ho about doing habitat work and all
Speaker 1: this stuff, is I say, would you rather hunt a
Speaker 1: thousand acre nature preserve wildlife refuge just wide open hardwoods?
Speaker 1: Or would you rather hunt? And this is not anything
Speaker 1: against public grounds, just an analogy of pressure. Would you
Speaker 1: rather hunt pressure? Or public land in Iowa that's managed
Speaker 1: by biologists and foresters and you know there's grasses and
Speaker 1: you know all this stuff, but there's but it's open
Speaker 1: to hunting and there's lots of pressure. Well, I think
Speaker 1: all of us would choose the wildlife refuge. Nature preserve
Speaker 1: has no habitat work even done because of pressure. That's
Speaker 1: you know, in my opinion, that's the number one thing,
Speaker 1: the tool and arsenal that we all have as deer
Speaker 1: hunters to make our farms better. And that's where all begins.
Speaker 1: And my whole point usually is two people. Nothing works
Speaker 1: without a strategy and a plan. Some even a great
Speaker 1: plan and strategy on a farm that's got no habitat
Speaker 1: work will be more successful. And somebody's got a hodgepodge together, um,
Speaker 1: habitat plan. They're doing all this stuff, but none, none
Speaker 1: of it makes sense as far as a pressure standpoint, access,
Speaker 1: dominant wins, thermals, all these other things. So uh, and
Speaker 1: that's a big rabbit hole to go down. But um,
Speaker 1: I would say it's pressure and it's having a solid
Speaker 1: plan from the get go to implement so that you
Speaker 1: can hunt as little of your farm as possible, but
Speaker 1: do it effectively because you're literally trying to recreate that
Speaker 1: wildlife refuge place, uh for a deer to feel safe
Speaker 1: and get to the age we're trying and get them
Speaker 1: to um to to to be as big as we're
Speaker 1: wanting them all to be. Yeah. Yeah, that planned thing
Speaker 1: is uh is somewhere that I stumbled to. I remember,
Speaker 1: you know, early on when I started dabbling with habitat stuff,
Speaker 1: I was just so excited to do something, to do anything.
Speaker 1: I was just looking for like the easiest opportunity to
Speaker 1: you know, put some seed in the ground, and I
Speaker 1: thought I'd be growing big bucks, you know, right out
Speaker 1: the gate and and in two different places. I remember
Speaker 1: I planted these food plots in the one easiest place
Speaker 1: to plan a plot Like plots seemed like the sexy
Speaker 1: thing to do. It seemed like the easiest way to get,
Speaker 1: you know, a great bang for your buck as far
Speaker 1: as like making an impact. And then I just found
Speaker 1: the opening and I was like, all right, this is
Speaker 1: where I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna put my seed down,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna grow this lush green plot and there's gonna
Speaker 1: be you know, big deer coming out of the woodwork.
Speaker 1: Little did I you know, know, or think about how
Speaker 1: that would impact my access and my exit and what
Speaker 1: me moving past that food source, educating all these deer
Speaker 1: every time would do, and all the ripple effects you
Speaker 1: know from that. I think a lot of people fall
Speaker 1: into that kind of mistake. Right. Um, So, when when
Speaker 1: you guys start a process like this for yourselves or
Speaker 1: on a new farm that you're building for someone or
Speaker 1: that you're gonna you know, work on in one way
Speaker 1: or another, what does that plan building process look like?
Speaker 1: You know, where do you start and then how do
Speaker 1: you personally go about building that? Um? Because this seems
Speaker 1: like if we can't figure this out, nothing else is
Speaker 1: worth doing, right Bobby, Right, yeah, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: it's kind of uh, you know, no two farms are
Speaker 1: the same. Um. And like Toby said earlier, sometimes it
Speaker 1: it takes thinking outside the box. Um. I'd say the
Speaker 1: big things though, like are obviously access dominant winds and
Speaker 1: then um, you know, and and that kind of gets
Speaker 1: you a general idea of kind of what you can do.
Speaker 1: And then from there, like we're kind of I almost say,
Speaker 1: we're creating a foundation of the farm because sometimes the foundation,
Speaker 1: like you said, oh, I can put a plot over
Speaker 1: here because it's why it's open, and I can put
Speaker 1: it here, Well, it might not make any sense to
Speaker 1: put it there. It might actually be detrimental. Um. Whereas
Speaker 1: what we're kind of doing and we facilitate a lot
Speaker 1: of this through with our long um division, the ingress,
Speaker 1: the grass, dominant winds, Where do we want the deer
Speaker 1: to bed based off of where we could put a
Speaker 1: food pot and uh, and we start working from there
Speaker 1: and again this is kind of rabbit hole to go down,
Speaker 1: but you know, we'll go in that area, let's say,
Speaker 1: where we want to make them or up our odds,
Speaker 1: because that's all we have as hunters, all right, So um,
Speaker 1: you know, we all have our thoughts and ideas. There's
Speaker 1: no right or wrong. There is no right or wrong.
Speaker 1: I think the only thing that we can all agree
Speaker 1: on is that we we have the ability to stack
Speaker 1: odds and raise probability, and we can do that exponentially.
Speaker 1: So if we can, if we can coax the deer
Speaker 1: into bedding in a certain spot because of the way
Speaker 1: we're wanting to access a food pot that we're creating,
Speaker 1: it ups our odds of not spooking the deer and
Speaker 1: having him come into the plot the way we want
Speaker 1: him to. So we'll go into that let's say south
Speaker 1: facing slope that makes sense because he's wanted bed there anyway,
Speaker 1: makes sense from our ingress egress and a dominant winds.
Speaker 1: And then we'll literally go in there and I'll be like,
Speaker 1: and it's not the entire south facing slow a lot
Speaker 1: of times, it's the exact point that he would want
Speaker 1: to bet on based off of, you know, terrain, You
Speaker 1: go there, you find beds, and then literally it's just
Speaker 1: kind of simple. It's just looking at looking up at
Speaker 1: the sky and the south sky and trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what trees are robbing light from that one knob.
Speaker 1: You know a big proponent of like not just stickening
Speaker 1: the whole entire It doesn't all need to be thickened.
Speaker 1: Sticking in key locations I think can go further than
Speaker 1: just stickening a whole farm, because then there's strategy behind it,
Speaker 1: and you know, there's some there's some things that we
Speaker 1: can talk about. How that looks um that we've been
Speaker 1: doing lately that I don't hear a lot of people
Speaker 1: talking about. You. You mentioned this idea of of kind
Speaker 1: of thinking through where the bedding would be and how
Speaker 1: they would impact your food and how they would impact
Speaker 1: your your entry and exit and winds and everything. Is there?
Speaker 1: Is there a when you're putting this plan together, when
Speaker 1: you're thinking through, you know, okay, where do we want things?
Speaker 1: How do we want things? Do you always start with okay,
Speaker 1: betting first? And then how does betting impact food? And
Speaker 1: then how does access get in between all those things?
Speaker 1: Or is it always different? Is some some properties you're thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know about betting, but I know that we're
Speaker 1: going to have to put food here and here, or
Speaker 1: I know we have to access from this side, and
Speaker 1: that's going to dictate where we do all these other
Speaker 1: things so I guess my my question here is do
Speaker 1: you always have an order where you try to plan
Speaker 1: out the connections between these things or is it going
Speaker 1: to vary wildly? And how do you go about, you know,
Speaker 1: prioritizing those things. Uh, well, I I think that every
Speaker 1: farm is totally different. I think total we would agree
Speaker 1: with that. Some I always refer to it like as
Speaker 1: a canvas. So you're delta canvas to create, right and
Speaker 1: you know that might be your timber canvas that's there
Speaker 1: to create something with. Um, They're all so different, you know,
Speaker 1: so you really got to get boots on the ground.
Speaker 1: And honestly, kind of my approach, and I'll tell people, Look,
Speaker 1: I might say that some things that make no sense
Speaker 1: at all while we're here, but all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it will all start making because I gotta see the farm,
Speaker 1: I gotta feel the farm, and I'll throw ideas out
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like this process I go through,
Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, I'll usually have
Speaker 1: this kind of light bulb moment where i think I've
Speaker 1: got it all, you know, all together, until Toby comes
Speaker 1: and sees it and has a better idea about something
Speaker 1: that we throw that away. And that's kind of the
Speaker 1: whole playtel group mentality is it's a group of minds,
Speaker 1: um kind of all putting it together on the canvas
Speaker 1: there to create something. I don't know if that answered
Speaker 1: answered that question, but they're definitely it's it's always exciting
Speaker 1: when when Bobby and I walk a farm together, or
Speaker 1: you know, all three of us are Mark or Lee
Speaker 1: or somebody who's we're together. It seems like those are
Speaker 1: the most exciting ones because everybody's brain is going, you know,
Speaker 1: a hundred miles an hour and where you're just spitting
Speaker 1: out your thoughts and and it's it's just a really
Speaker 1: good exciting thing. And um, you know, every farm that
Speaker 1: you go into is obviously it's so different there. You know,
Speaker 1: you're you're asking for like a plan, and there really
Speaker 1: isn't a plan because every farm kind of has a
Speaker 1: different flow. You know, it's got a different vibe and
Speaker 1: it's got a different objective. And some farms have covers
Speaker 1: so you don't need to create cover. Some farms have
Speaker 1: a ton of food already and you don't need the food,
Speaker 1: Or some farms have major access issues that need to
Speaker 1: be corrected, or some farms may have a neighbor issue
Speaker 1: that needs to be corrected, or you know, you know,
Speaker 1: our our farm developments even go as far as renegotiation
Speaker 1: farming contracts because you need a guy that's easier to
Speaker 1: work with because it's better for your deer hunting, or
Speaker 1: like the level of development. I feel like what we
Speaker 1: do is so far beyond just someone who's a food
Speaker 1: pot guy, or somebody who can come in and manicure
Speaker 1: your farm and they can look like golf course, you know.
Speaker 1: With selling real estate and stuff, I get the advantage
Speaker 1: of being wrong. You know, more property in a month's
Speaker 1: time than guys will seeing in two lifetimes. And because
Speaker 1: of that, I get to compare you know, properties and properties.
Speaker 1: And I've been on some farms that you know, they
Speaker 1: should be on the cover of a magazine just because
Speaker 1: they're so beautiful. And you you go in there and
Speaker 1: everything is so manicured and trimmed, and but it's a
Speaker 1: terrible layout. It's a terrible deer hunting farm because you
Speaker 1: did all the things you thought you wanted to see,
Speaker 1: but they're in the wrong places and the access is
Speaker 1: wrong and you're killing yourself. But you get to sit
Speaker 1: there and look at this real pretty farm, but you're
Speaker 1: not gonna hear any big deer on it. So it's
Speaker 1: just there's just a lot of levels to to what
Speaker 1: we do. And um, like I said, we need three
Speaker 1: shows to probably cover all that stuff. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: so can you describe for me? Then, Toby at maybe
Speaker 1: maybe we need to just explore like hypothetical example or
Speaker 1: an example of a place you've done this yourself. But
Speaker 1: I'm curious if you can kind of walk me through
Speaker 1: how someone and you know, if someone were trying to
Speaker 1: do this themselves, how you would recommend them trying to
Speaker 1: start thinking through how to analyze the property. Let's say
Speaker 1: they maybe they just picked up a farm, they bought
Speaker 1: a farm, or maybe they're considering buying a farm, and
Speaker 1: they're sitting here and thinking they're, Okay, what does this
Speaker 1: place need? How do I make this place better? Like?
Speaker 1: What are the steps that you would recommend someone go
Speaker 1: through to start determining how to prioritize these things? You know,
Speaker 1: how to create that flow that you're talking about. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, and again I know every farm is different,
Speaker 1: every card, you know, every hand is different. Um, but
Speaker 1: like what's the what's walk me through some kind of
Speaker 1: hypethingle process that someone should be thinking through as they're
Speaker 1: analyzing their place. That's don't like what what Bobby opened
Speaker 1: with is what's the purpose? What are you developing it for?
Speaker 1: Are you developing it to be able to take your
Speaker 1: wife and your kids and your family out there and
Speaker 1: shoot fifteen bucks a year off of it and have
Speaker 1: a great time, or are you developing it because you're
Speaker 1: the only one that's going to hunt it and it
Speaker 1: needs to be set up to shoot the biggest most
Speaker 1: that you're here on a farm, So there's just a
Speaker 1: broad spectrum of why you're doing it so that we
Speaker 1: know how to do it. And that's kind of what
Speaker 1: you know with with us doing the consulting as well,
Speaker 1: you're asked to where to start. I would probably start
Speaker 1: with having Mark come out to your property and paying
Speaker 1: him to do a professional console and then telling him
Speaker 1: in the beginning what the reasoning is for for starting it.
Speaker 1: And then that's kind of how our process starts. And
Speaker 1: that would be if somebody buying a farm and you're
Speaker 1: wanting help. It's different when we are buying them for ourselves,
Speaker 1: and obviously we're doing all that ourselves, and that honestly
Speaker 1: that iron me And I'm not one of the hard
Speaker 1: sell or push You've never seen any of us hard
Speaker 1: selling or anything on our videos. It's all really just
Speaker 1: follow us and it's free education and stuff. But the
Speaker 1: more and more we do these consults, Mark Cluster goes
Speaker 1: out and does the on sites and then I jump
Speaker 1: on zoom to go over and lay in. But it
Speaker 1: it is like it is truly amazing. I mean, people
Speaker 1: are spending a lot of money on a farm and
Speaker 1: a little bit extra to do something like that and
Speaker 1: have a group of professionals kind of help. Like the
Speaker 1: value that's provided is it is so much fun. It's
Speaker 1: amazing to watch. I mean, like we did one a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago for a guy that's shot several hundred
Speaker 1: ninety class Deyer and he was just looking for one
Speaker 1: little edge. But we do a lot of them for
Speaker 1: guys that you know, they don't they they're very new
Speaker 1: and they and it's just amazing to watch the fast
Speaker 1: track that they get. Um, you know, they're just so
Speaker 1: far out ahead and it's not a hard sell to
Speaker 1: get our consults. But like that was a first thing
Speaker 1: that popped in my head because it is like it
Speaker 1: is so it is incredibly helpful. Um, if if you're
Speaker 1: gonna do it on your own, like your question originally asked,
Speaker 1: you know, I'd say, dive into a bunch of our videos.
Speaker 1: And I get emails every day about you know, how
Speaker 1: many ideas they had and thank you and this and that,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's just a bunch of free education.
Speaker 1: Try and learn some concepts and theories, you know, learned
Speaker 1: theories about I think like a deer, like big deer
Speaker 1: want to quarter into the wind as they're looking for
Speaker 1: those you know. Um, and try and set your farm
Speaker 1: up so that he always is feeling comfortable. He's feeling
Speaker 1: comfortable living there, he's feeling comfortable moving through there. Um.
Speaker 1: And you know, we're just we're just trying to I say,
Speaker 1: treat your farm like a glass house. You know. I
Speaker 1: don't hunt as little of it as possible, but hunted effectively,
Speaker 1: you know, don't let them know you're there. We use
Speaker 1: all kinds of things you can see on our videos. Strategies.
Speaker 1: We use lots of switch grass and stuff. Um, not
Speaker 1: so much for betting, like a lot of people want
Speaker 1: to think about it, but to take food or plates
Speaker 1: off of the table, force them to where we want
Speaker 1: to have them create create uh design or shape of
Speaker 1: plots to create pinches which concentrates scent. Where we put
Speaker 1: treacys to up the beer being there. We use the
Speaker 1: grasses for ingress and perfect e grass with a low
Speaker 1: box blind. We use the grass edge to be able
Speaker 1: to move that blind down the grass edge drop of
Speaker 1: season as you moke corn letter. There's so many things
Speaker 1: that there's so many things. I would say, watch our videos,
Speaker 1: watch other people's videos, learn, get as much information as
Speaker 1: you possibly can, and then just try to build your
Speaker 1: farm in a way that you can tiptoe around. It
Speaker 1: can never be known that you were there or as
Speaker 1: close as possible as you can get to that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I probability, no impact. Yes, I always talk about risk rewards.
Speaker 1: So like is diving into the hardwoods in the middle
Speaker 1: of October? Is the reward worth the risk? Well? Probably
Speaker 1: not in most cases. Is it November five? Most likely?
Speaker 1: Is it in November five? If you've you know, fell
Speaker 1: some some less you know desirable trees and created took
Speaker 1: that fifty yard gap and turned it into a thirty
Speaker 1: yard gap, and they've got a deep ditch behind them,
Speaker 1: and you know they have to come through there. Yes,
Speaker 1: the reward is worth the risk at a certain point,
Speaker 1: you know. So just and I call it like hunting defensively.
Speaker 1: So hunting offense both offensively would be like being ramming
Speaker 1: and charging it over here and charging it over here
Speaker 1: and getting impatient and just hunting all over the place
Speaker 1: like you're on the offense. Hunting defensivity is like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hunt today because it's not right now.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go in there because it's not
Speaker 1: time now. It's usually like less is more, you know.
Speaker 1: It's it's not some magic potion to be more successful.
Speaker 1: It's usually just being more patient and and hunting smarter
Speaker 1: and doing less. That makes sense. Is it your opinion, Bobby,
Speaker 1: that hunting defensively is the best approach just on private
Speaker 1: pieces like this that we're talking about, where you can
Speaker 1: manage and some to some degree, and then the more
Speaker 1: offensive style hunting is the better approach when you're hunting
Speaker 1: highly pressured places. Or is it more situation dependent than that?
Speaker 1: You know, I you gotta use some common sense, but
Speaker 1: I tend to just stay stay in my lane, think
Speaker 1: like a deer and me versus the deer. I tend
Speaker 1: you know to like, For example, this year, I still
Speaker 1: even though you know, this business has grown into something
Speaker 1: I never could have imagined, I still run a trail
Speaker 1: camera and every nook and crannity that I can define
Speaker 1: a big deer, because that's that's the key is you
Speaker 1: gotta gotta have you gotta have one to kill one.
Speaker 1: Um the farm I hunted on this year, I shot
Speaker 1: a big deer. Um he was he officially scored, but
Speaker 1: it was probably twenty acre area and I hunted it
Speaker 1: last year as well, and um, I killed the big
Speaker 1: one in there. Last year, well, there was there was
Speaker 1: you know, ten tree stands on this property. Uh, in
Speaker 1: that area I was hunting, there's probably four or five
Speaker 1: other ones from other people hunting. There was trail cams
Speaker 1: all over the place. And I just I just kind
Speaker 1: of stuck to my principles and and and haunted the deer.
Speaker 1: I knew him from the last year, so I knew
Speaker 1: kind of what he was gonna do, you know, same day,
Speaker 1: same place type concept. And so um, you know, I'd say,
Speaker 1: even if even if there's other people hunting, or there's
Speaker 1: pressure or whatever, just you know, you gotta learn to
Speaker 1: think like a deer. That's what one thing amazing about
Speaker 1: Mark Cluster when he's doing our consoles that he's a
Speaker 1: master of thinking like a deer. And that's why you
Speaker 1: know he does such a great job doing our consoles,
Speaker 1: just because it's all he first, before they even get
Speaker 1: started on the farm, he's teaching them these principles about
Speaker 1: a deer and how they live and how they how
Speaker 1: they move about, so that then when he starts designing
Speaker 1: and talking about setups, they can understand the principles, you know,
Speaker 1: behind those setups, not just oh, let's throw food on here,
Speaker 1: because you know, yeah, let's let's dive into that a
Speaker 1: little bit further, this idea of of thinking like a
Speaker 1: deer and then building or creating or preserving you know this, this,
Speaker 1: this glass house or whatever this perfect situation would be,
Speaker 1: so that I'm mature. Buck feels super comfortable, and let's start,
Speaker 1: you know, in the place he spends probably more time
Speaker 1: than anywhere else, which is his bed, his bedroom, his
Speaker 1: his the core of his core, of his core. You
Speaker 1: alluded to this a little bit, Bobby, with some of
Speaker 1: the things you guys are doing. How are you how
Speaker 1: are you guys thinking about buck betting areas and creating
Speaker 1: betting areas, and what are the things that need to
Speaker 1: be done to make sure that a mature buck or
Speaker 1: as many possible mature bucks feel comfortable within your property
Speaker 1: and whatever betting areas you have. What are some of
Speaker 1: those key things that you are you know, making sure
Speaker 1: you have or making sure you create right, Well, it's
Speaker 1: kind of back to that nature preserve um public land
Speaker 1: analogy there, which goes back to pressure. If you give
Speaker 1: dear no pressure, they big bucks love line open our
Speaker 1: woods if there's no pressure because they can see and
Speaker 1: they can get out of there quickly. Back to that
Speaker 1: deer I shot this year, those woods, you know I
Speaker 1: could it was why it was just wide open. That
Speaker 1: the deer I shot the year before. He was probably
Speaker 1: seven and he when I after I killed him. Well,
Speaker 1: the deer I killed killed was five. And after I
Speaker 1: killed him, the neighbors sent me some pictures and they said, hey, congratulations,
Speaker 1: I killed decay. And I said, what's the decay? And
Speaker 1: they said dark Knight. We call him dark Knight because
Speaker 1: we never saw him. Yeah. I got a lot of
Speaker 1: day like pictures on and stuff. And the difference was
Speaker 1: it was it was just a twenty acre area that
Speaker 1: he grew up and spent a lot of time. Uh
Speaker 1: that there was no pressure in there, and so you know,
Speaker 1: he there's there's two pressures, like you have to give
Speaker 1: them safety to live their life, to their so they
Speaker 1: get to the point where we want to hunt them
Speaker 1: and they're not going to tolerate you know, you know,
Speaker 1: human intrusion and activity over the years. But then once
Speaker 1: they get to that age, it can be hard to
Speaker 1: kind of run them off, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So like I had all kinds of bone head and
Speaker 1: mistakes I made last year. There's this is kind of
Speaker 1: getting confusing because there was two big dear. I was
Speaker 1: hunting one of them. I hit one of them. I
Speaker 1: ended up killing. But the one I hit was probably
Speaker 1: one nine And um that dear, I mean I made
Speaker 1: five six, seven, eight mistakes. I mean he winded me,
Speaker 1: I missed him, I hit him, and uh, he just
Speaker 1: would not leave because he spent seven years in an
Speaker 1: area and he was at age, and it was hard.
Speaker 1: It was hard to run him out of there. And people,
Speaker 1: I don't think people realize that a lot of people
Speaker 1: think of them as like unicorns, you know, like one
Speaker 1: mistake and they're gone. Well, once they get to a
Speaker 1: certain point, it can be hard to run them out,
Speaker 1: but you have to give them that security over the
Speaker 1: long haul to call home to where they become that
Speaker 1: big buck. And so what that looks like starts with pressure.
Speaker 1: All everything I just said, I guess gets back to
Speaker 1: pressure regardless of the habitat. So you have to have
Speaker 1: a place you're going to give them security. Um, and
Speaker 1: then what that looks like in my in my eyes,
Speaker 1: instead of going into an area where we have a
Speaker 1: south facing slope, you know that makes sense, it's tucked in,
Speaker 1: it's not going to be affected by our ingressive grass winds.
Speaker 1: Rather than go back there and just you know, if
Speaker 1: let's say, are logging division to own in there. Rather
Speaker 1: than go in there and hammer the woods and make
Speaker 1: a clear cut essentially or whatever, we're just kind of
Speaker 1: do a healthy select cut. And then, like I said,
Speaker 1: we'll pick that one spot. It's like, where would the
Speaker 1: biggest buck in the woods want to live her way,
Speaker 1: We'll probably right there on that point because he can
Speaker 1: see everything. And sure enough, you go up there, there's beds,
Speaker 1: and then we just start, you know, trying to open
Speaker 1: up the sunlight to hit that exact spot, and now
Speaker 1: you have some strategy because if you've got a food
Speaker 1: plot under yards down that ridge and you get consistent pictures,
Speaker 1: you can start kind of you know, telling um where
Speaker 1: he's coming from or whatever, and you can kind of
Speaker 1: guess that he's on the point. However, I think that
Speaker 1: creating just betting areas in general can be more impactful
Speaker 1: to your hunting strategy than trying to make a quote
Speaker 1: betting a buckbed betting area or whatever. And this is
Speaker 1: kind of why. So we've all come up to like
Speaker 1: a deadfall or a tree in the woods, and you've
Speaker 1: got you know, a quarter acre of of of briers
Speaker 1: and stuff that exploded because there was like one or
Speaker 1: two trees that got blown over a windstorm. And sure
Speaker 1: enough there's beds in that right. Um, So if we
Speaker 1: can start trying to create these pockets that make sense
Speaker 1: for egress um and a hunting set up, Like let's
Speaker 1: say we we can slip in this ravine in the
Speaker 1: rut and we can get up there's a draw that
Speaker 1: goes up to this flat and they're gonna pinch around
Speaker 1: the top of it anyway, and there's a so we
Speaker 1: go up there, we find a tree stand or a tree,
Speaker 1: and we start laying it out around that tree, and
Speaker 1: then we would we would open up that pocket of
Speaker 1: light in front of that tree, but we would make
Speaker 1: sure to do it in a way that there was
Speaker 1: a path of least resistance in all that mess that
Speaker 1: we created between us and the stand about twenty yards
Speaker 1: and we figured it all out, you know, to let's say,
Speaker 1: on a southwest wind. What we're doing is we're creating
Speaker 1: a destination kind of like a kill box. We're creating
Speaker 1: a desk nation in the woods for a buck to
Speaker 1: go to to look for a dough in the rut.
Speaker 1: And that's what happens is if you think like a
Speaker 1: deer and he wants to be on the down wind
Speaker 1: side of that half anchor thicket you made or quarter
Speaker 1: ancor thicket or whatever, he's gonna go to it, and
Speaker 1: in theory, he's gonna be on the down wind side
Speaker 1: of it. And when he does that, he's now going
Speaker 1: to put himself at fifteen yards or twenty yards because
Speaker 1: he's trying to stay in the path of least resistance
Speaker 1: on the down wind side of that. And it just
Speaker 1: so happens that there's a horrible tree there because you
Speaker 1: built it around that and there's a ditch behind it
Speaker 1: that gave you perfect as good of access to get
Speaker 1: to that point as possible. And you create two or
Speaker 1: three or four of those around your farm, Now you've
Speaker 1: got some strategy because those become even more more powerful
Speaker 1: than like a kill plot, because the kill plot, like
Speaker 1: I look at kill plot as a scent concentrator. It's
Speaker 1: a place that by big buck wants to go to
Speaker 1: and pick up sent from a dough. However, it's a
Speaker 1: lot more powerful in the rout when and he could
Speaker 1: be out at any given time of the day. It's
Speaker 1: a lot more powerful when that destination is is in
Speaker 1: the woods and it happens to be a point place
Speaker 1: where the does are at all day long. And you
Speaker 1: could have a big deer get up on his feet
Speaker 1: and go like connect the dots, and he could hit
Speaker 1: every one of those little patches in one walk in
Speaker 1: a matter of ten minutes, and every single one on
Speaker 1: him he'd be boomed down in down when down When
Speaker 1: and when you lay them out around that stand and
Speaker 1: that pinch that's already there, you have strategy, really powerful strategy,
Speaker 1: I think, more powerful than even you know hunting a
Speaker 1: food pat on the rut. Yeah, instead you've got Yeah,
Speaker 1: its a lot of betting area. Yeah, like a kill
Speaker 1: thicket or something thinking thinking like a deer. And it's
Speaker 1: not like a lot of people want to talk about
Speaker 1: that buck betting areas is not. Like so if you
Speaker 1: think about like, Okay, I'm gonna go hunt a buck
Speaker 1: in his betting area. And again there's no right and wrong.
Speaker 1: Different people have different approach is but like you know,
Speaker 1: to me, that's here, miss, you know, it's like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go back in there, chance blowing him out when
Speaker 1: I get in there, even in the dark. And then
Speaker 1: if he's not there a daylight, you know, maybe you'll come,
Speaker 1: maybe you won't. But if I can get into a
Speaker 1: patch that becomes a destination in the rut when the
Speaker 1: risk reward is worth going back in there and be
Speaker 1: like I don't care where he is right now, because
Speaker 1: this is his body, He's gonna come. Yeah. So these
Speaker 1: you know, kill plots. When we're making kill plots, I'm
Speaker 1: usually thinking about something small, something that has a specific
Speaker 1: size or designed to it to give me the best
Speaker 1: possible shot opportunities. Uh So when it comes to your
Speaker 1: kill betting are your kill thicket, whatever you want to
Speaker 1: call it. How big do you like these to be
Speaker 1: typically give or take? And then what's the design? Do
Speaker 1: you like it long and skinny to try to keep
Speaker 1: them within range? Or how do you try to ideally
Speaker 1: shape and design and even what's the actual act of
Speaker 1: how you create it too? You know it's it might
Speaker 1: be a little looser than like, you know, everyone's a
Speaker 1: little bit different. I guess, um, how do I explain it? Uh?
Speaker 1: I think smaller is better, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like if you're thinking like a deer and there's you're
Speaker 1: in these hardwoods and there's one brushy knob over there,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go check that for a dough because you
Speaker 1: can't really see in it. You know, I almost think
Speaker 1: the smaller is better, But it kind of is relative
Speaker 1: to the type of woods. Draft you have wide open hardwoods,
Speaker 1: you know, and you have a little If you have
Speaker 1: one blowdown on a point and the rest is wide open,
Speaker 1: it's going to be a piece of structure that a
Speaker 1: you know, a buck is going to maybe go to
Speaker 1: to look for a dough against it. And like I did,
Speaker 1: a bunch of did some logging up there, on Leela Coostys,
Speaker 1: and he was big on that, like this one would lot.
Speaker 1: He just wanted to put some some tops on the
Speaker 1: ground to give them structure, you know too, to bet
Speaker 1: up against. You know. So it's kind of like it
Speaker 1: sounds crazy, but it's almost like fish relating to structure.
Speaker 1: They do the same thing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I don't think huge is good. I think, well,
Speaker 1: I think I think just having them to where they're huntable.
Speaker 1: And we could get into that in the food pluts.
Speaker 1: We can take a five acre standing rain plot oversee
Speaker 1: the entire thing with rye and make it honnable with
Speaker 1: woven wire fans or different things like that to create pinches.
Speaker 1: It's kind of the same deal as situational. You just
Speaker 1: want to be able to hunt it. So if you've
Speaker 1: got a wicked pinch point already in those woods or
Speaker 1: whatever it is, it can be bigger because you're forcing them,
Speaker 1: you know, through what's already naturally a funnel. If that
Speaker 1: makes sense, Yeah, it does, Uh, Toby, what would you
Speaker 1: add anything on on this before I take it a
Speaker 1: stuff further. Well, it's kind of you know, getting into
Speaker 1: the pinch points and the shapes food pots and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, And it's kind of we say this a
Speaker 1: lot of simm of videos. It's most of the time
Speaker 1: we're just enhancing an area or something that deer is
Speaker 1: already using or a place that they already want to
Speaker 1: be in, you know, and then you're attaching strategy to
Speaker 1: that spot. You're it's not about just installing a food
Speaker 1: pot and looking pretty. It's how that food plot flows,
Speaker 1: how do you get into it without being seen, how
Speaker 1: to get out of it without being seen, and then
Speaker 1: shaping it in a way that the deer You're you're
Speaker 1: actually telling the deer exactly what openings to come in
Speaker 1: and out of and using to breed too, funnel traffic
Speaker 1: and building world wire fences. It's like there's so much
Speaker 1: micro strategy that goes into each betting area or each
Speaker 1: true thought that gets created. Like that's where you know,
Speaker 1: we're kind of taking it to the next level and
Speaker 1: that elite the running experience thing kind of comes in
Speaker 1: and play again. So like, for for an example, I
Speaker 1: was I was out on Greg Ritts this place a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago, and they had a point that they
Speaker 1: had and we're just kind of like putting our minds together.
Speaker 1: We were looking at doing a logging project and they
Speaker 1: had a point that they had done a big hinge
Speaker 1: cut you know, t s I type stuff. And you
Speaker 1: know how a lot of times when you hinge and
Speaker 1: it kind of plays into that whole strategy I was
Speaker 1: talking about, you hinge and you got all those trees
Speaker 1: laying down, like, yeah, they'll go out in it to bed.
Speaker 1: But as far as a buck cruising you know, through it,
Speaker 1: he's definitely gonna be on the down wind side because
Speaker 1: it's an entangled you know, master to go walk through.
Speaker 1: So we got to this point, you know that they
Speaker 1: had they had done basically a hinge cut on and
Speaker 1: we basically kind of put our heads together and came
Speaker 1: up with this concept. There was a perfect gift from
Speaker 1: above of a white oak that was on the it
Speaker 1: was on the down wind side with the north wind
Speaker 1: um and it had it had really good access to
Speaker 1: it in the morning, and uh, it was just a
Speaker 1: simple like, hey, why don't you guys take some chainsaws
Speaker 1: and and go through here fifteen yards twenty yards in
Speaker 1: front of the stand and just just chunk these things
Speaker 1: up just enough to get your skids to your grapple
Speaker 1: go down there and pick it up back out. So
Speaker 1: in other words, you were left with this clean lane
Speaker 1: right in front of your your stand, you know, right
Speaker 1: through that massive hinge cut that was about an acre big,
Speaker 1: but still on the down wind side. And now and
Speaker 1: then put a hamproke right right in front of you,
Speaker 1: because there's gonna be a massive concentration ascent on that
Speaker 1: that kind of roadway, if you will, that you're building
Speaker 1: through your your hange cut and then that, like he
Speaker 1: just talked about in the micro strategy, and we talked
Speaker 1: about everything in mac of strategy and micro strategy, that's
Speaker 1: your last layer. So like I talked about it like
Speaker 1: it's like your overall strategy is kind of like like
Speaker 1: a game of Jinga, right, and every every block is
Speaker 1: like a layer of strategy. Right, and sure enough, it's
Speaker 1: the last stupid thing you didn't do that ends up.
Speaker 1: We've all done it. You know. It's like you know,
Speaker 1: you forget to it's just the one stupid thing that
Speaker 1: you don't have an extra release in your pack. It's
Speaker 1: something like that. It's that one last layer of strategy
Speaker 1: that can make or break you. And so you know,
Speaker 1: by putting the emperor on that road, whereas a place
Speaker 1: they're gonna watch scrape anyway because there's a concentration ascent
Speaker 1: which get into in a little bit. But it just
Speaker 1: ups the odds that he stops right there, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, and gives you a broadside shot. So
Speaker 1: that was kind of that's kind of an example of
Speaker 1: one of those you know, it's you're taking something that's
Speaker 1: you know, T S I, and you you're you're connecting
Speaker 1: the strategy with the habitat work. If that makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it makes makes a lot of sense. And nothing works
Speaker 1: without strategy. It's like not in the food pots where
Speaker 1: you go down that hole here in a minute. But
Speaker 1: it's all about strategy. Food plots are I mean, I'll
Speaker 1: plant whatever you want to plant. It's strategy. It's how
Speaker 1: you it's probably starting with the most important part is
Speaker 1: egress and then ingress and then you know, shape, creating
Speaker 1: a pinch point, creating a transition between two different types
Speaker 1: of food sources in order to up probability of concentrating
Speaker 1: those which a probability of concentrating set which of the
Speaker 1: probability of whether there's deering the field or not. That
Speaker 1: he comes to bill range, you know, there's just so
Speaker 1: many like layers that you start compounding and just shooting
Speaker 1: probability through the roof. Because when we see a big deer,
Speaker 1: we're already like they're so low that they just walk
Speaker 1: so few days and daylight, we need to stack odds
Speaker 1: tour when we see them, we can shoot them. We
Speaker 1: don't just see them. Yeah, Yeah, it's the This is
Speaker 1: the fun stuff in my mind, is going deep into
Speaker 1: that strategy. Um. A couple more things on the on
Speaker 1: the betting improvements here because I'm geek. I'm really enjoying
Speaker 1: this part. This is interesting taking taking that same detailed
Speaker 1: approach that that folks are doing the food side and
Speaker 1: applying it to your betting areas and making them. You know,
Speaker 1: these these very huntable in the timber betting locations. Uh.
Speaker 1: Question about you know, you've got these small kind of
Speaker 1: micro betting areas that become more huntable because of that size,
Speaker 1: and you mentioned having these throughout your property. Can you
Speaker 1: have too many? Is there is there the risk of
Speaker 1: them losing their effectiveness if you have so many of
Speaker 1: these that it becomes less predictable, or you know, can
Speaker 1: you have them too close together? Or is there any
Speaker 1: other the thing like that that you're thinking about when
Speaker 1: designing these kinds of improvements, as far as how many
Speaker 1: of them are connecting them anything like that, and back
Speaker 1: to the one size fits on. I don't want people thinking,
Speaker 1: like every farm that we just do this exact thing
Speaker 1: on it. It's not like that. Some don't lean themselves
Speaker 1: towards it. Some do. I would say the answer to
Speaker 1: that question is I I don't think you could have
Speaker 1: too many as long as they stay horrible and accessible,
Speaker 1: and the concept of of a pinch in a horrible
Speaker 1: tree being on the downwind side of that thicket. I
Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna find enough spots that warrant that
Speaker 1: risk reward and that set up. I don't think you're
Speaker 1: gonna find enough spots in order to make too many
Speaker 1: of them, if that makes sense. Pinches. You mentioned pinches
Speaker 1: there again. I feel like that's something you guys really
Speaker 1: really key in and across many parts of your properties.
Speaker 1: In the timber, in the food plots that he has,
Speaker 1: are always creating pinches or finding pinches and enhancing them.
Speaker 1: Can you elaborate a little bit on these In the
Speaker 1: timber pinches that you are either trying to take advantage
Speaker 1: of already or creating you know inside or down into
Speaker 1: these betting years. How do you guys do that? What
Speaker 1: are you looking for? I don't want to steal the mic,
Speaker 1: but I'll probably take this one too because I I
Speaker 1: run the logging division and so we do a lot
Speaker 1: of this. That that cool, Toby, Yeah, go ahead? So
Speaker 1: um oh man, this is this is a good one.
Speaker 1: We kind of have become known for the walls. We
Speaker 1: talked about the wall and you've probably heard us talking
Speaker 1: about them and in our you know, so you know
Speaker 1: a lot of the big walls you see, that's during
Speaker 1: an excavation project like more actually clearing. Cooper will use
Speaker 1: the debris to create these pinches and these walls that
Speaker 1: also serve as access and they end up growing up
Speaker 1: just you can't even see them after a year or so.
Speaker 1: They just look like a berm with stuff shooting out
Speaker 1: of them. Um. Then and a lot of times when
Speaker 1: I go in along and probably that they're wanting us
Speaker 1: to build walls all over the place, but they don't
Speaker 1: realize that that's more excavation. What we can do during
Speaker 1: the logging project is you know, I'll give you a
Speaker 1: good example. We're logging for a guy right now, um
Speaker 1: up in Fultall County, and we're kind of doing some
Speaker 1: of this around a specific deer um. But he had
Speaker 1: this kind of bowl, big ball of big mature hardwoods,
Speaker 1: had a point that kind of came out facing southerly.
Speaker 1: It's on a bluff. It's like the most obvious spot
Speaker 1: in the world through deer to just be loaded up,
Speaker 1: bedded all over in this bowl. And so and where
Speaker 1: the left side of that tongue, the left gut of
Speaker 1: that tongue went up to the top of the hill,
Speaker 1: came up to a flat and then you had about
Speaker 1: fifty yards to the neighbors there's a crop field. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, we cut this bowl and we create
Speaker 1: a pinch right here. This deer is going to put
Speaker 1: all this cover, all this new you know where these
Speaker 1: those are be loaded up. He's gonna put all this
Speaker 1: on the down wind side. Um, And there's already somewhat
Speaker 1: of a funnel up here. But we can we can
Speaker 1: directional fall all these tops in here into this ravine
Speaker 1: and we can kind of we can create a wall
Speaker 1: of these tree tops going up the hill to the
Speaker 1: top and then stop it lay it all out around
Speaker 1: this hackberry and then there's enough like dead falls up
Speaker 1: there where we scoop them up with the skids here
Speaker 1: and the skinner and we'll make another wall from that
Speaker 1: hackberry back to the field. So we created basically, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty five yard gap on the down wind side of
Speaker 1: essentially like a I would say, probably a ten acre
Speaker 1: area that could hold beds, but we made a wicked
Speaker 1: huntable because that wall where ended at the top of
Speaker 1: the hill where started going down with all those tops
Speaker 1: in it. I mean that wall is probably a hundred
Speaker 1: yards long going down through there. So now like when
Speaker 1: he wants to put all that on this down you know,
Speaker 1: when he wants to be up end of all that
Speaker 1: stuff and and he's gonna take the path of lease resistance.
Speaker 1: Were four were seeing him through a gap, you know,
Speaker 1: and we're up high where our wind this is consistent,
Speaker 1: you know. Um, So that's kind of how we use
Speaker 1: a logging project to build pinches in the woods. Like
Speaker 1: you can either directional follows trees, or we can pull
Speaker 1: the tops a little bit with the skinters, but only
Speaker 1: so far because it's picturing like big giant wrecking balls.
Speaker 1: Like we can we can take a fifty yard gap
Speaker 1: and turn it into a thirty yard gap pretty easily
Speaker 1: during the logging project. Um, we also can use Wolven
Speaker 1: wire fence. There's different you can implement the same strategy
Speaker 1: so many ways. Like un Rising, he's in the logging
Speaker 1: industry too, and he's a he'll he'll drop, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of the same type of species trees that you
Speaker 1: would girdle or inch out. Anyway, he'll drop some of
Speaker 1: there more mature trees in order to create those same
Speaker 1: types of pinches. So there's a lot of ways of
Speaker 1: going about it. But anyway you you use to pinch deer,
Speaker 1: you're exponentially up in your odds. I think about it.
Speaker 1: You hunt the whole rout and your target are you
Speaker 1: see him what two or three times? Well, how what
Speaker 1: does your probability look like when you've taken a spot
Speaker 1: where it's a hundred yard area he could come through,
Speaker 1: and you've cut it down to a dirty yard area,
Speaker 1: like your your odds you go through the roof? Yeah,
Speaker 1: now what about the opposite. So you kind of alluded
Speaker 1: to this already in one of the earlier examples, but
Speaker 1: so you just you just talked about like building blockades, walls,
Speaker 1: different things that pinch them, you know, into a place
Speaker 1: you want them. It sounds like sometimes though, the opposite
Speaker 1: can be effective to which is opening up a place
Speaker 1: for them to go through and that's all already blocked.
Speaker 1: Is that something that you're you know doing as well? Yep,
Speaker 1: like that And that's why that's where we talk about.
Speaker 1: Every situation is different. Like sometimes we're taking away like
Speaker 1: like we have a video coming out pretty soon here
Speaker 1: that me, Mark Luster and Ben Rising all that to
Speaker 1: console and we wanted to do it for fun because
Speaker 1: it's like they'll listen to everybody's kind of thought process
Speaker 1: behind the same spot and then you you end up
Speaker 1: at a you know, a bigger, a more powerful, you
Speaker 1: know plan for that spot than you could have with
Speaker 1: just one mind. Well there we kind of like jam
Speaker 1: session on this one spot. I said what I do
Speaker 1: and then Ben turned around he did something completely opposite,
Speaker 1: and then we kind of hashed it out and Mark
Speaker 1: was like agreeing with both of us. Well, at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, we implemented both both strategies, both
Speaker 1: both things benj was kind of idea was more set
Speaker 1: up for a specific window of the deer season. The
Speaker 1: specific mindset, and then I was like, well, yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Why don't we take the multing head go straight down
Speaker 1: this creek bottom that's super thick that way, and straight
Speaker 1: down it this way, and marks like, yeah, let's put
Speaker 1: a over the wire fence from that tree back to
Speaker 1: the creek. And then, like you just said, we're creating
Speaker 1: a path of least resistance through this thick stuff, helping
Speaker 1: our odds that they step out where we wanted to
Speaker 1: step out. So you can reverse engineer at a lot
Speaker 1: of times. Um, you know by taking away it's just
Speaker 1: the canvas that you're dealt. Yeah, it's touching all that
Speaker 1: path of least resistance. You know, we talked about the
Speaker 1: benefits of the logging project and stuff here several times.
Speaker 1: Another big benefit is, you know, the road system that
Speaker 1: you create during the logging project. You know that's not
Speaker 1: always in the common sense places that they would do
Speaker 1: during a normal logging project. That's part of the strategy
Speaker 1: as well. You're gonna go in there and make roads
Speaker 1: anyway to get to timber out. So you you placed
Speaker 1: these roads in the best spots for UH access, and
Speaker 1: then you also use them to program the deer on
Speaker 1: how they're going to move through that property, and how
Speaker 1: they're going to check each betting area, and how they're
Speaker 1: going to enter and exit each true thought. So you know,
Speaker 1: the clearing areas is kind of the same things putting
Speaker 1: these roadways in, you know, making creek crossings. You know,
Speaker 1: you've got a lot of these properties have steep creek banks,
Speaker 1: and you know, these dear they like to they like
Speaker 1: to use the easier spots, so you can use the
Speaker 1: logging project and the escalmating project to put to nice
Speaker 1: gradual crossings into the deer end up pounding. So it's
Speaker 1: like you know, your your programming, you know. And not
Speaker 1: only will the bucks that are already there and big
Speaker 1: start using them, because the dose will be using them.
Speaker 1: And again concentration is set when the does start using
Speaker 1: these roads as their main travel corridors. The bucks are
Speaker 1: going to start using the roads because the does are there.
Speaker 1: And we've got several video clips of you know, ten
Speaker 1: twelve does in a row, single file right down the
Speaker 1: logging road and then here's the buck right behind them.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're like us when they generally when they
Speaker 1: move through a piece of property, you know, they like
Speaker 1: to take the easiest path to get where they're going,
Speaker 1: whether it's better and feeding him. You know, on my
Speaker 1: personal farms, we've done several of those two. It's like
Speaker 1: the most beneficial thing that I think is the road systems,
Speaker 1: like that's that's my personal opinion is is you could
Speaker 1: eventually shoot every book on farm out of the right
Speaker 1: road intersections in the right placement property. Another when it
Speaker 1: comes to mind is a Montgomery piece. I mean that
Speaker 1: was that was an awesome example of what the roads
Speaker 1: can do on a big piece of ground. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And sometimes, like you said, sometimes those road it's all
Speaker 1: it's all strategy. You know. Sometimes that road instead of
Speaker 1: going down the center of a ridge like it would
Speaker 1: be you know in the traditional longing project, it might
Speaker 1: be on the side hill in order to have good
Speaker 1: ingress egress to something where you don't want to beer
Speaker 1: on the next ridge overseen, And a lot of times,
Speaker 1: you know, we might have to use the upper that
Speaker 1: original skater trail up top just because it's dryer and stuff.
Speaker 1: But if it's part of the plan and it makes
Speaker 1: it better, and that's what we're trying to accomplish through
Speaker 1: the logging project. Before we leave, we will cut that road,
Speaker 1: you know, on the lower side. But when you have
Speaker 1: the when you've got the timber project there, it gets
Speaker 1: all the equipment there and you can start doing you know,
Speaker 1: you can start implementing um. You know, a lot of
Speaker 1: the hunting strategy. I always say, like the logging project
Speaker 1: is like the It's like it's like you're building the house.
Speaker 1: You know, the plan. You gotta have a plan first.
Speaker 1: That'd be you know, studying up, kind of coming up
Speaker 1: with your plan. You doing console whatever you gotta do.
Speaker 1: You gotta have the plan. It's like trying to build
Speaker 1: a masterpiece house without a blueprint. And then uh, and
Speaker 1: then the foundational part of it would be, you know,
Speaker 1: the logging project uh or excavation project or whatever. The
Speaker 1: nice thing about the logging project is it funds the project,
Speaker 1: you know. So um, but that that's where you're kind
Speaker 1: of roughing in trying to get these deer to bed
Speaker 1: in these certain spots. We can open up plots in
Speaker 1: these certain spots, and we can put these roads in
Speaker 1: certain spots. Sometimes those roads will have them come off,
Speaker 1: you know, We'll just put a creek crossing in a
Speaker 1: certain spot relative to a certain stand, you know, so
Speaker 1: that we have that path of least resistance in the
Speaker 1: rut right in front of a stand. So again it
Speaker 1: kind of comes back to there's no there's no rigid
Speaker 1: uh uh you know, set of guidelines. But like the
Speaker 1: logging project is just a tool to be able to
Speaker 1: to be able to implement a lot of these concepts
Speaker 1: and strategies, you know, Like on that we did a
Speaker 1: full who county, big Bolton County farm for what we
Speaker 1: did for Steve, and we had a big, fairly open
Speaker 1: block of timber, and the most noticeable terrain feature and
Speaker 1: kind of what really funneled most of the deer traffic
Speaker 1: was a huge ravine that went straight down the middle
Speaker 1: of that block of timber. So all you're doing the
Speaker 1: select cutting there, we put a huge giant Colbert pipe
Speaker 1: in the middle of that ravine, in the middle of
Speaker 1: that woodlock and made a big flat crossing, and then
Speaker 1: we connected all the roads from the timber project like
Speaker 1: a spiderweb down there to this one crossing and created
Speaker 1: just super pinch point in the middle of what was
Speaker 1: a super wide open piece of woods, just like putt
Speaker 1: the Colbert pipe in there and doing a little estabatingum
Speaker 1: and and it was a crazy good spot. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I remember seeing that, so so my one. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's a question, if it's like a worry,
Speaker 1: but I wonder for for people that don't have a
Speaker 1: logging project or don't have the valuable timber to make
Speaker 1: this a cost effective thing, and they're thinking, Man, I'd
Speaker 1: love to make big roads. I'd love to create these
Speaker 1: better crossings and different things, but I just don't have
Speaker 1: the way to either hire someone to come and do
Speaker 1: this stuff, and I don't have the timber to fund it. Um,
Speaker 1: is there like a budget version of this? Is it?
Speaker 1: Can you do some version of this by renting a
Speaker 1: skid steer for a day or two and making some
Speaker 1: miniature trails and crossings and things like that? Like, is
Speaker 1: there some kind of you know, junior way to achieve
Speaker 1: some of these things in your mind? Toby, Sure, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean there's all kinds of tools at your fingertips,
Speaker 1: whether running equipment or you know, having somebody help you
Speaker 1: with the planned part of it and then implementing it
Speaker 1: yourself over time. You know, you don't need to jump
Speaker 1: in there and do it all at one shot. And
Speaker 1: then that way you can kind of stretch the costs
Speaker 1: and the effort out over a couple of years. Um. Yes,
Speaker 1: to answer your question, yes, there there's a way to
Speaker 1: do it. Um. And that's where it goes back to
Speaker 1: not every property needs a huge excavator or needs a
Speaker 1: bulldozer and needs a logging and skinners or something. It's
Speaker 1: you know, every piece of ground is it's its own animal.
Speaker 1: And to expounds found upon that, Like back what I
Speaker 1: first said, a good plan and a good strategy may
Speaker 1: not need a whole lot like those those creating those
Speaker 1: destination like dough betting type areas I was talking about.
Speaker 1: You can do that just by going out and and
Speaker 1: and you know, girdling and and hinge cutting trees and
Speaker 1: putting trees on the ground in little areas. I mean,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't it doesn't require this big, massive, you know, orchestration.
Speaker 1: But another thing about that is like, and that's kind
Speaker 1: of part of the value we're providing. We're out here
Speaker 1: in the game. We're buying, you know, we're buying. We
Speaker 1: have to buy the farm, right, but we have a
Speaker 1: list of people that are having to help them find farms,
Speaker 1: and a lot of times once we find a farm,
Speaker 1: getting under contract you know, we'll already have somebody that's
Speaker 1: been waiting on that exact fall arm. Then we will
Speaker 1: actually implement that project and we will involve them. So
Speaker 1: like if let's say they're nonresident in Iowa and they
Speaker 1: want to developer for late season, well, actually as part
Speaker 1: of the deal, will we will do all of that
Speaker 1: stuff you're talking about. So, you know, at first it
Speaker 1: might sound like, well this is far fetched, we're not really,
Speaker 1: you know, the average guy can't do this. Well, we're
Speaker 1: actually you know, we sell farms to school teachers, all
Speaker 1: kinds of different people we've dealt with, and we're actually
Speaker 1: doing a lot of this on the front end with
Speaker 1: alongside of them, you know, to help them get and
Speaker 1: create a farm like this, because some people don't have
Speaker 1: the know how, but some people don't have you know,
Speaker 1: the machinery some people, you know, everybody is a little
Speaker 1: bit different, but we kind of work together as as
Speaker 1: a team too. Like that farm he was just talking about, Steve,
Speaker 1: you know, we built that whole thing for him, you know,
Speaker 1: and he paid market value for that farm. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys have got to figured out because not only
Speaker 1: do you get to you know, be on the side
Speaker 1: of of buying, selling these places. But you get to
Speaker 1: do the fun stuff on a lot of and too,
Speaker 1: the actual work and the improving And I mean that's
Speaker 1: that's at least for me, that's the real joy of
Speaker 1: the stuff is the projects and seeing it all come together. Um,
Speaker 1: so that's pretty good. Back to the consulting stuff. That's
Speaker 1: been really fun for me lately because you know, at
Speaker 1: night I'll get on one an hour long watching like
Speaker 1: helping these people, Like I I keep telling them, like
Speaker 1: a lot of them have a big deer. You know,
Speaker 1: we're kind of we're developing it, but we're kind of
Speaker 1: developing some things around a big deer. We're like call
Speaker 1: Centrail camps will help you, you know, we'll put our
Speaker 1: mind together and figure out to kill this deer. And
Speaker 1: like I tell him, I'm I'm literally like hunting vicariously
Speaker 1: through you now, like because we're on so much ground now,
Speaker 1: it's just odds and probability. We're seeing, you know, this
Speaker 1: guy's got this big special deer, and this guy's got
Speaker 1: the big special deer, and me, Bobby Kendall, I can
Speaker 1: only find it's hard to find them, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So so it's like we're hunting vicariously through
Speaker 1: these guys, and it's just so much fun to watch
Speaker 1: watch them, you know, be successful and help him, help
Speaker 1: him be successful. That that guy who just talking about Steve,
Speaker 1: We did a video around the whole project and then
Speaker 1: and then we put the video out and then he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, I didn't know if I sent you this,
Speaker 1: and he sent his picture he shot like a hundred
Speaker 1: and eighties something each deer or like should have said
Speaker 1: that before we edited the video. Um, yeah, fun. And
Speaker 1: then we had a guy this year, Toby over there
Speaker 1: in Fulton County said and he was pretty new hunter,
Speaker 1: right Toby, He said, Toby of a two deer like
Speaker 1: getting them pictures of him, like every day he's gonna
Speaker 1: know what to do. He's like, just get in the box.
Speaker 1: And that was another example. Think of a general. There
Speaker 1: was the same same kind of a deal. You know,
Speaker 1: we bought that farm and just had barely started the
Speaker 1: development and then as well as we had the first
Speaker 1: couple of phases of video out. You know, this guy
Speaker 1: kinda was looking for a real high quality farm in
Speaker 1: that area and he bought that farm, you know, off
Speaker 1: of us before that project was done and kind of
Speaker 1: jumped in on the back side of it. And then
Speaker 1: the first time he goes up there and hunts and
Speaker 1: he's got this gigantic deer running around and he's texting
Speaker 1: us back and forth. What do I do? Where do
Speaker 1: I sit? You know, there's where I got his pictures,
Speaker 1: And you know, then it's just just super exciting just
Speaker 1: to watch and to hear somebody's enthusiasm about, you know,
Speaker 1: the farm that they bought and helped develop, and it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's very exciting, rewarding kind of thing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: bet so speaking of you know, telling that guy, hey,
Speaker 1: jump in the box. Um, let's let's shift from the
Speaker 1: timber out towards our food sources. Uh. You know, from
Speaker 1: seeing the guys, the things you guys have done and
Speaker 1: what you've talked about is you designed these different properties.
Speaker 1: I know there's like everything their strategy behind how you
Speaker 1: place your plots and how you design your plots to
Speaker 1: to achieve eve the kind of movement you guys want
Speaker 1: tlby Can you start maybe by walking me through some
Speaker 1: of the things you're thinking about when deciding how to
Speaker 1: place your plots on a property and how you design
Speaker 1: them um, what does that planning process look like specifically
Speaker 1: on the food plot side, the food side of this equation. Well,
Speaker 1: if it goes right back to pressure again, you know,
Speaker 1: how can you hunt these spots consistently and not blow
Speaker 1: gear out of there every time you're you're coming and going.
Speaker 1: So and this was kind of on a console that
Speaker 1: me and uh, Bobby and Mark did yesterday. We were
Speaker 1: talking about something just like this, and you know, I
Speaker 1: refer back to a big acre piece that and I
Speaker 1: have personally, and I told Mark, I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta farm that's almost five acres here
Speaker 1: in Adams County, Illinois. I said, We've got it so
Speaker 1: fine tuned and so set up the strategy so right
Speaker 1: on it that we hunted out of three food plots
Speaker 1: with three box lines five acres. That's it, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's that's all about having that that premium spot
Speaker 1: with a set tight box line and the right way
Speaker 1: to get in and out of. They were out spooking everything,
Speaker 1: and you just watch your cameras and you keep the
Speaker 1: pressure low, and we will kill our target deer on
Speaker 1: that farm out of one of those three box lines,
Speaker 1: like clockwork every year and never have to step foot
Speaker 1: in the woods. Can you can you walk me through
Speaker 1: an example of one of those setups, like just in
Speaker 1: detail kind of how you actually achieve what you just described.
Speaker 1: So we got one food pot called the South pot,
Speaker 1: and um, we've got a certain area that you're able
Speaker 1: to park a vehicle in a low spot, stay out
Speaker 1: of sight. There's a certain role in the field for
Speaker 1: access that you can get in. There's a little waterway
Speaker 1: to get on the other side. So you've made it
Speaker 1: all the way to the box, but you've parked your vehicle.
Speaker 1: You get ready, You've walked all the way to the
Speaker 1: back side of the box without any detection at all.
Speaker 1: So that step one. You're in there. And then when
Speaker 1: you have a fieldful of deer and you didn't shoot
Speaker 1: something and you need to get back to your truck,
Speaker 1: you repeat that process. So you've solved the in and
Speaker 1: the out without blowing the place up every time you're
Speaker 1: in there. So that's step one. Then you have the plot.
Speaker 1: I always like to do grain to green because then
Speaker 1: you have something in its prime for every phase of
Speaker 1: the season. So we have to do them big because
Speaker 1: we only have three plots on that big of a
Speaker 1: piece of ground with that kind of deer density. You
Speaker 1: have to take that into consideration as well, because you
Speaker 1: can't go through all that effort and all that time
Speaker 1: and then end up in your prime hunting season and
Speaker 1: you have no tonnage of food left. So that has
Speaker 1: to be something you assess to is your deer numbers
Speaker 1: and and is there going to be anything left when
Speaker 1: you want to be there hunting it. So we've got
Speaker 1: two or three acres of standing your grain, and then
Speaker 1: we've got to plot shaped in such a way that
Speaker 1: the green that's on the other side of it comes
Speaker 1: together at the pinch point right where the grain, because
Speaker 1: these deer when they come out, they'll bounce back and
Speaker 1: forth from green the green usually, and you kind of
Speaker 1: want your your highest probability spot to be in that
Speaker 1: narrow point of the food plot on the transition from
Speaker 1: grain to green. And like Bobby talked about before, you know,
Speaker 1: if that's that field shape happens to put that at
Speaker 1: sixty or seventy yards, you could actually take fence or
Speaker 1: tops or some kind of a structure, hay bales. You
Speaker 1: could stack hay bales and pinch that sixty acre spot
Speaker 1: down the thirty and then on top of that, in
Speaker 1: that thirty thirty yard gap, you could put a tree
Speaker 1: coil over the hemp rope and in a licking branch.
Speaker 1: Now you've hands it even more. And then you know
Speaker 1: Bobby's big advocate of this too. He'll actually go around
Speaker 1: the perimeter of that food plot and cut off all
Speaker 1: of the low hanging scrape branches licking branches, so that
Speaker 1: they become dependent on those one or two tree kois
Speaker 1: that you've got out in the food plot, which are
Speaker 1: all in bow range of your hunting position. And I
Speaker 1: must again, in my opinion, is a set type box line.
Speaker 1: You sit there with the windows shut until it is
Speaker 1: time to open it and shoot whatever it is you're
Speaker 1: trying to kill, because that you know, you you create
Speaker 1: these spots and these primal food plots, and you've taked
Speaker 1: attention to every detail, and you know what's going to
Speaker 1: happen in those type plots is you're gonna have thirty
Speaker 1: or fourty or fifty deer out in that kind of
Speaker 1: a place before your target animal walks out. So when
Speaker 1: you're trying to do that in a situation where you're
Speaker 1: sitting in a tree stand and the wind's gonna swirl
Speaker 1: those thermal start to cool and it starts to do
Speaker 1: some goofy stuff. You're not getting away with that most
Speaker 1: of the time. So that box blind, that set type
Speaker 1: box blind becomes a very important tool in that kind
Speaker 1: of a hunting situation where you're going to have massive
Speaker 1: amounts of deer coming to your location. So you've solved
Speaker 1: the getting smelled part. You've paid attention to the shape
Speaker 1: of that food plot. You've got grain for late season,
Speaker 1: you've got green for early season, and you've got to
Speaker 1: correct way to get in out of there without boiling
Speaker 1: it up every time. And then you just repeat that
Speaker 1: in the different zones of your farm um as the
Speaker 1: opportunity allows for, you know, and working with your farm
Speaker 1: was pretty key too. You've gotta have the ability to
Speaker 1: buy back those crops or plant them on your own,
Speaker 1: because you know, you've got to have both types of
Speaker 1: food and those kind of hunting situations. When it comes
Speaker 1: to the grains and the greens, Toby, do you have
Speaker 1: do you have a preference? Do you prefer you know,
Speaker 1: do you prefer beans over corn? Does it shift based
Speaker 1: on specifics as far as the greens? What are the
Speaker 1: greens you like to plant. Um, can you give me
Speaker 1: some more detail of what you found to work the
Speaker 1: very best for you at least, Well, I'm that kind
Speaker 1: of a plot, you know, we like to have clover,
Speaker 1: fairly big green plot with the clover mix in it.
Speaker 1: And then in a situation where you've got standing beans
Speaker 1: in one year, you know, when those leaves start to
Speaker 1: turn yellow in the beans, you know most of us
Speaker 1: will will go there and sling rye and turn ups
Speaker 1: to radish out in the standing beans. And usually you'll
Speaker 1: at least have the tonnage of the leafs coming up,
Speaker 1: even if they don't put on a bulb. So now
Speaker 1: you've got standing beans underneath your standing beans, you've got
Speaker 1: rye and turn ups coming up. And then next door
Speaker 1: you've got lush clover, so you're just giving them. You're
Speaker 1: throwing a smartest board at them. And you can even
Speaker 1: do that overseating into standing corn plots as well. And
Speaker 1: then you know, so when you got standing corn and
Speaker 1: you start to mow that corn, you obviously start mowing
Speaker 1: it from your pinch points, so that the first mo
Speaker 1: everything's in bow range, the second mow everything's in bow range.
Speaker 1: You know, by the end you're getting in November and
Speaker 1: you're starting to stretch it out there a little bit.
Speaker 1: You're coming into your first gun season. You gott a
Speaker 1: hundred fifty yards you can shoot like. You're paying attention
Speaker 1: to the times a year you want to hunt and
Speaker 1: what you're using to hunt during those times of years,
Speaker 1: and you're just adjusting your plot as the season goes on.
Speaker 1: And the beauty of the box, Lindes is it. You've
Speaker 1: a situation we're really high to your numbers and they
Speaker 1: are just pounding stuff. You may have to scoop that
Speaker 1: box line up and move it a little bit to
Speaker 1: keep up with you know how hard they're hitting your foods.
Speaker 1: You're always in the hot zone of the plot. M Yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Uh, One fall up real quick to
Speaker 1: be on the design of this. You mentioned, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to have some kind of pinch within it, so
Speaker 1: you could have you know, a sixty yard wide gap
Speaker 1: that maybe you pinch down further with you know, some
Speaker 1: additional treetops, hay bales, whatever. But have you found now?
Speaker 1: I know every property is going to give you something
Speaker 1: slightly different to work with as far as the space
Speaker 1: and everything, but all things being equal, is there any
Speaker 1: kind of specific designer shape that you prefer when trying
Speaker 1: to create a setup like this. Do you prefer long
Speaker 1: and skinny, or like a boomerang that gives you that
Speaker 1: full crumb that you use a pinch or anything else
Speaker 1: like or hour glass? Um, is there anything you found
Speaker 1: to be your favorite designer shape or something for a
Speaker 1: starting point where you want you want to you want
Speaker 1: to try to not make it so big or shape
Speaker 1: that you there's parts of it you can't hunt. You know,
Speaker 1: you're you're doing it to be able to to shoot
Speaker 1: the deer off of that place. So when you design them,
Speaker 1: you want to try to keep it in mind that
Speaker 1: you know, if I'm going to hunt here, you know,
Speaker 1: if it's here in Illinois and you can help the
Speaker 1: shop gun muzzleloader. You know, if I'm hunting this plot
Speaker 1: late season, I really want to make sure that anything
Speaker 1: that steps in this plot I can shoot, so a
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty to two d yards at the furthest
Speaker 1: you know, if you're primarily a bow hunter, you want
Speaker 1: to kind of squeeze that stuff down even a little
Speaker 1: bit further, you know, And that's kind of we're moving
Speaker 1: the box comes into if your primary a bow hunter,
Speaker 1: and you know, the deer when they come out of
Speaker 1: the woods, if they're coming from a certain way, they're
Speaker 1: generally gonna start at that end of the plot and
Speaker 1: start eating their way out to the center. So you
Speaker 1: can adjust your box line to always stay up in
Speaker 1: the part of the grain that you still have tonnage
Speaker 1: left in, you know. So it is kind of different
Speaker 1: because you're going to have to work with what kind
Speaker 1: of space that you've been given, if it's on a
Speaker 1: NAGG area or the CRP area that you only allowed
Speaker 1: a certain amount of acreage to use. But you know,
Speaker 1: I like to make sure that everything revolves around I'm
Speaker 1: not doing this. I'm gonna do all this work just
Speaker 1: to sit there and watch dear that I don't have
Speaker 1: an opportunity yet. So shape and distance has to come
Speaker 1: into play, because you know, you want to up your
Speaker 1: odds to having a shot opportunity at that deer when
Speaker 1: he comes out. So if you're making them too long
Speaker 1: and skinny or too big, it's just going to be
Speaker 1: a wildlife viewing session. Sometimes when you're in there, you
Speaker 1: really don't want to do that. Bobby, what's your take
Speaker 1: on all this um as far as I should have
Speaker 1: been right now then right now, rovol They wanted to
Speaker 1: go down what's been bursting out of the scenes for it.
Speaker 1: You really want to say, well, he pretty much hit
Speaker 1: on all of it. So I might go down a
Speaker 1: couple of little rabbit holes here and there. The first
Speaker 1: thing I would say is for guys are listening, They're like, well,
Speaker 1: this is like kind of out of reality for me,
Speaker 1: because I can't do this. We got a video. It's
Speaker 1: called face. I think he says, taste face with the
Speaker 1: monster is a big deer. I hunted last year on
Speaker 1: permission piece, and I just simply went to the farmer.
Speaker 1: I negotiated by an acre corn. I mowed the corn.
Speaker 1: I mowed it in a specific shape. I took all
Speaker 1: my leftover food plot seed and put it on there
Speaker 1: like the smartest board, all my you know, um cereal
Speaker 1: grains in my in my Braskas, just threw it all
Speaker 1: out there, greened up a little bit. I ran through
Speaker 1: that corn each direction to where I thought he was
Speaker 1: coming from, to where he popped out where I wanted
Speaker 1: him to come out. Like. So I implemented some of
Speaker 1: these strategies on a piece that was permission. Then I
Speaker 1: negotiated something with the farmer. So there are ways of
Speaker 1: doing some of this stuff even if you can't do it.
Speaker 1: I actually love working with farmers because there's so much easier,
Speaker 1: Like the bigger this has gotten that try and works
Speaker 1: warder in the heart. Um. So that's one thing I
Speaker 1: would say. Another thing really quick before you go any further,
Speaker 1: I gotta ask one question on that topic working with farmers.
Speaker 1: Do you have any any advice for people trying to
Speaker 1: do that, because that's something I've considered, but I have
Speaker 1: never done it, and I don't know the right way
Speaker 1: to approach it, how to the right way to offer
Speaker 1: to pay for it, How to you know, how do
Speaker 1: you do that the right way? Bobby, Yes, sir. So ironically,
Speaker 1: we actually have a leasing program now on our our
Speaker 1: our platform, on our on our page that we partnered
Speaker 1: over the company that offers like um we can basically
Speaker 1: help people put their tillable out to least to a
Speaker 1: farmer in an auction style format and it gets you know, uh,
Speaker 1: it's just awesome. It jacts your your cash rent a up.
Speaker 1: But the thing is we helped the person negotiate their
Speaker 1: farming contract to where it gets all the bells and
Speaker 1: whistles that they that helped them as a farm manager
Speaker 1: hunting farm manager, you know, uh, do as little work
Speaker 1: as as possible and put more of it on the farmer.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of different things in in the
Speaker 1: that least that we use and stuff. There's little things
Speaker 1: you've never think of. But as far as buying back crop,
Speaker 1: you don't want to really get into doing it the
Speaker 1: way that I did it in that example I was
Speaker 1: talking about where you're you're paying after the fact when
Speaker 1: it's your field. You essentially want to do a cash
Speaker 1: for rent. Breaker have the right to buy that two
Speaker 1: acres of crop. They'd be credited their cash rent on
Speaker 1: that two acres and all you will pay is their
Speaker 1: input costs. You have the leverage to negotiate that on
Speaker 1: the front end. However, if you haven't negotiated it, you're
Speaker 1: sitting there paying uh, you know, six an acre right
Speaker 1: now for corn instead of you know. So there's ways
Speaker 1: about that, and that's something that we can help people
Speaker 1: do and we can we can hook them up with
Speaker 1: our contracts and stuff. There's a lot of other little
Speaker 1: things like you know, farmer doesn't have the right to
Speaker 1: chisel plow the field without written permission um until the
Speaker 1: end of deer season. But you know sometimes in your
Speaker 1: strategy you might you might want them to chisel, plow,
Speaker 1: to take plates off the table. So there's like that
Speaker 1: is a that is a huge There's so many different things,
Speaker 1: um uh to talk about. Now? What about what about
Speaker 1: just what I thought if you just lease the property
Speaker 1: so you don't own the property, you least ground from
Speaker 1: a farmer and you're thinking, man, I wish this farmer
Speaker 1: would leave an acre in the back here, uh, which
Speaker 1: sounds maybe kind of like what your permission situation was
Speaker 1: last year. So you know, you just you just want
Speaker 1: to be friendly. You want to Most of them, you know,
Speaker 1: don't understand how crazy we are about deer, so you
Speaker 1: can kind of you know, I try to make it
Speaker 1: light and poke fun at you know, I know this
Speaker 1: seems crazy. I know the deer seems crazy to you.
Speaker 1: But this would be just like changed you know, my
Speaker 1: my season and uh uh. Some tips I would give
Speaker 1: people is I would say, you know, I don't want
Speaker 1: you to be out any money. I want you to
Speaker 1: be whole. I want you to make just as much
Speaker 1: as you would if it's corn you're leaving, offer to
Speaker 1: mow that corn after deer season because they don't want
Speaker 1: to deal with those stalks out there. Um, if you
Speaker 1: want to oversee over say, would you mind if I
Speaker 1: overseedd some turn ups? You know, don't go down to
Speaker 1: If you do want to oversee rye or something, tell
Speaker 1: them that you will go in and spray in the
Speaker 1: spring because it will come back. Not that you know
Speaker 1: they're spring will probably kill it, but just the same
Speaker 1: things like that will let them know that, like you're
Speaker 1: thinking about these things and you're not going to leave
Speaker 1: them with something they got to deal with, because as
Speaker 1: long as they're made whole and they don't have to
Speaker 1: deal with a mess, they're gonna they're fine, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah, that that makes sense. Okay, UM,
Speaker 1: so sorry, I unfortunately right now that can cost some money.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so you were you were going to go
Speaker 1: on to the next kind of food plot. I thought
Speaker 1: after that, you know, so, like he said, access important,
Speaker 1: I'm always trying to pick, like you know, box lines.
Speaker 1: So here we have our own line of box lines
Speaker 1: that we have built. We have two different types of
Speaker 1: box one as we have a traditional one that goes
Speaker 1: up on um, you know, four by four which you
Speaker 1: can ad adjust the heights. And then we have another
Speaker 1: newer style one that was made for the strategy of
Speaker 1: mowing corn. And it's got jack stands his legs and
Speaker 1: it's purposely meant to be real low. The basically thing
Speaker 1: is about two or three ft in the air, and
Speaker 1: what's meant to do is go in, mow corn, stick
Speaker 1: the box. You know, Actually it starts before that. It's
Speaker 1: being efficient when you go to this farm to to
Speaker 1: mow that cor and set the blind out. That year,
Speaker 1: it's one truck, one trailer. It's a blind tractor goose
Speaker 1: neck mower gone. Whereas you know, some people like a
Speaker 1: trailer and stuff, but then that requires a blind on
Speaker 1: the trailer. That requires two trucks. You know, it's just
Speaker 1: less efficient. So when this rig it's one rig. You
Speaker 1: go up there, you mow your corn. You drive out
Speaker 1: in the farm with your box on the front. You
Speaker 1: set it to the side, you mow your corn, take
Speaker 1: the blind, drive it into the edge of the corn
Speaker 1: on the side you want to come in from, and
Speaker 1: then get out really quickly. Level the jack stands so
Speaker 1: the blinds level. You're not messing around. You know, wooden
Speaker 1: legs and metal platforms, all this stuff, and then you
Speaker 1: just break some stalks out the back and you have
Speaker 1: perfect egress and ingress. That's the beautiful thing about corn.
Speaker 1: But you know, hunting mode corn is it's it's just
Speaker 1: the most deadly tactic there is. I mean, it gives
Speaker 1: you perfect ingress and egress, and when you're out of food,
Speaker 1: you just mow more and you move the blind in
Speaker 1: two minutes and you don't leave a lot of set
Speaker 1: and whatever. Well, now one of the offshoots of that
Speaker 1: is in the blind is like kind of the color
Speaker 1: of corn. You've got big rubber bands and stuff corn.
Speaker 1: And whether or not that does anything is you know,
Speaker 1: who knows. But we also use it two the same
Speaker 1: thing with switch craft. So a lot of what we
Speaker 1: do in the consoles, we're taking the plates away. So
Speaker 1: we might recommend CRP go converting to c RP. Well,
Speaker 1: a lot of CRP programs they want you to plant,
Speaker 1: you know, mixes of big blue, little blue Indian fours
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and that's great. It takes the plates
Speaker 1: off the table. But the problem is a lot of
Speaker 1: that stuff doesn't get dense enough to screen as tight
Speaker 1: as we want. So I'll recommend to those people do
Speaker 1: the CRP and it takes the plates off the table.
Speaker 1: And then I'll say when it gets established and and
Speaker 1: it starts coming up in the spring after you burned it,
Speaker 1: go through their backpack spray and spray out a little
Speaker 1: three ft trail that stays dirt throughout the summer. And
Speaker 1: that way you can fly through there and you'll be
Speaker 1: by quiet right to the back of the blind. And
Speaker 1: then and then instead of doing that mix that CRP
Speaker 1: requires against your food plot that we've created, do like
Speaker 1: a ten yards ten ft strip of solid switch. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be more dense and do more screen and um.
Speaker 1: And then when I'm looking at those to lay them out,
Speaker 1: whether it's a tree stand or a blind, I don't
Speaker 1: I'm not crazy about hunting in a blind. I use
Speaker 1: a blind as a tool. It's an arsenal in my
Speaker 1: in my pack of tools. No vics. Tree stands are
Speaker 1: an arsenal in my pack of tools. It's something allowing
Speaker 1: me to get in any tree straight crooked when I
Speaker 1: have to quietly, Like, I look at stands and blinds
Speaker 1: and stuff as tools. So so that low box blind
Speaker 1: is a tool for corn and then hunting the edge
Speaker 1: of a screen like switch grass. So I'll approach my
Speaker 1: stand or my blind location from egress, ingress and egress,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's just a wide open field that we're
Speaker 1: gonna start creating with grasses and stuff, but it's always
Speaker 1: ingress and egress. And then that tree stand, that blind,
Speaker 1: it always has to be in a place that aligns
Speaker 1: with the thermal draws. So like picture God pouring water
Speaker 1: on your blind or tree stand, where is that water
Speaker 1: going to run? It's gonna run downhill into that ravine
Speaker 1: in October. Sometimes I pay I pay just as much
Speaker 1: attention to thermals as I always try to get that
Speaker 1: set up to where my win direction is in line
Speaker 1: with the thermal draw because they will screw you if
Speaker 1: you're not paying attention. And the box line can kind
Speaker 1: of help you hedge some of that because it's set free.
Speaker 1: So it's a tool of standing game. Like Toby said, um,
Speaker 1: you know, it's an odd up or like I always
Speaker 1: joking say, I'm gonna write a book someday about math
Speaker 1: and probability and deer hunting, because literally, whether you're talking
Speaker 1: about trail cams in the summer, trail like tree stand locations,
Speaker 1: the direction you face a tree. No matter what you
Speaker 1: want to talk about deer hunting, it comes back to
Speaker 1: odds and probability um, and so back to the food
Speaker 1: plot stuff, you know, thermals ingress, egress and then creating
Speaker 1: that pinch. Concentrations are cent like Toby talked about, that's
Speaker 1: something that's not really talked a lot about hunting world.
Speaker 1: If you start paying attention, like when you're walking around
Speaker 1: a farm randomly, and all of a sudden you come
Speaker 1: to the giant scrip or you know, a cluster of
Speaker 1: scrapes or a giant rub or a cluster of rubs.
Speaker 1: More often than the not it's related to a concentration
Speaker 1: the scent. So like humans see with their eyes. Get
Speaker 1: a kid that goes down on the beach and spring
Speaker 1: break and there's a bunch of girls, get trumbunctious, takes
Speaker 1: his shirt off, starts flexing his muscles or whatever. Deer
Speaker 1: a big buck when he's walking around in the dark,
Speaker 1: Think like a deer, and all of a sudden you
Speaker 1: go through a concentration scent because there's a cliff and
Speaker 1: a creek crossing and blah blah blah and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you get hit in the face with a
Speaker 1: bunch of scent. You get rambunctious, and you start flexing
Speaker 1: and tearing stuff up. And so that's where a lot
Speaker 1: of times that that sign explodes. If you really start
Speaker 1: paying attention and so tree COIs and scrapes there, a
Speaker 1: lot of people will put them out and they don't
Speaker 1: they get mixed, you know, results If you put them
Speaker 1: in a spot that's a concentration scent where a deer
Speaker 1: and naturally wants to scrape and rub, you're gonna find
Speaker 1: that they're gonna annihilate. I mean, we've got some tree
Speaker 1: COIs that haven't been out a couple of years and
Speaker 1: they're about whittled and half. You know. So when you
Speaker 1: can take that plot and like as far as size
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, you need a lot of times
Speaker 1: it depends on how honeable it is to how big
Speaker 1: it needs to be. So with the use of some
Speaker 1: wogen wire fence um, you know, mowing corn strategy, you're
Speaker 1: able to stay in the game because you're able to
Speaker 1: hunt a larger area because of the strategy behind how
Speaker 1: you're hunting it. Um. But like if I get a
Speaker 1: big bean field, and I don't have some type of
Speaker 1: wilver wire fence or something creating a pinch in and
Speaker 1: out that you know, end of the plot or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'll oversee just the area that's within bow range to
Speaker 1: up my odds that the doe was feeding within bow range,
Speaker 1: which up my odds that he's you know, on a
Speaker 1: corn ear, it's so much easier because you're just you
Speaker 1: have that natural egress, you know ability, and you also
Speaker 1: have the ability to keep mowing the corn and keep
Speaker 1: putting them right in front of you. On a bean year,
Speaker 1: when you've got that line of switch grass that we design,
Speaker 1: you have that line of switch your grass to keep
Speaker 1: moving the blind if he's coming out the other end,
Speaker 1: or he's you know, they're eating it back away from
Speaker 1: the blind or whatever. UM. I like keeping it simple.
Speaker 1: I I like big cloths that he talked about, where
Speaker 1: everything the whole, the whole, you got the golden corral
Speaker 1: out there, you got you got your your clover. And
Speaker 1: then I like putting my braskas and my cereal grains
Speaker 1: in my in my sere, in my corn and beans.
Speaker 1: It doesn't get his robust the braska's um. But you again, odds,
Speaker 1: instead of having four acres of food out there are
Speaker 1: two acres of grains or cereal grains and turn ups
Speaker 1: two acres of grains corn beans. Now you have two acres.
Speaker 1: It's got it all in there, so it just ups
Speaker 1: your odds the hunt ability of it. And I will say,
Speaker 1: like Brassica strategy, Um, I think I think you can
Speaker 1: plant Braskas like you can plant the early round Nebraska's on.
Speaker 1: Let's say you've got an acre field, You've got a
Speaker 1: pinch that you've laid out in front of you. That's
Speaker 1: where you're gonna shoot him. Is in this pinch? Well,
Speaker 1: you could take a Braska field. You could plant the
Speaker 1: same mix in the end of July and let those
Speaker 1: bulbs get huge leaves you get huge, and then you
Speaker 1: can plant the same mix in the middle of September
Speaker 1: and uh and they get small and more palatable. And
Speaker 1: you could literally create a transition of deer feeding in
Speaker 1: front of you by playing the same exact thing but
Speaker 1: planning at a different time of year. I do think
Speaker 1: those big bulb turnups and stuff are like there's a
Speaker 1: period from like November to December ten or eight that
Speaker 1: I think that you know they just if you don't
Speaker 1: have like miserable miserable weather. I think that they almost
Speaker 1: prefer more than corny beans that they become powerful. So
Speaker 1: once again, it's strategy. It's not so much what you're planning.
Speaker 1: I think it's putting it all in one spot in
Speaker 1: a way that's hountable and having perfect agress and grass,
Speaker 1: making sure your thermals don't screw you. Um. Sometimes I'll
Speaker 1: have a tree stand in the tree over the top
Speaker 1: of the box, and I'll hate the same exact spot
Speaker 1: the plot set up for this one spot. I hunt
Speaker 1: the box in October when I have, you know, light
Speaker 1: and variable and thermals to deal with all this stuff.
Speaker 1: And in the rut, I'll get in the tree where
Speaker 1: I think you've got to use your ears a little
Speaker 1: more and you know your eyes and you gotta see
Speaker 1: more stuff happens quicker. I'll have the same spot just
Speaker 1: out of a stand when thermals and everything are a
Speaker 1: little more true. In November, m can you just clarify
Speaker 1: one thing on that brassica topic you mentioned. You know,
Speaker 1: you could plan them in July and you'll get the
Speaker 1: big balls. You could plan them in September and get
Speaker 1: the more palatable younger growth are you saying actually planting
Speaker 1: the same acre twice so you're planning the July and
Speaker 1: then your top seat or what are you saying? No,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying you could take one field and split
Speaker 1: it and plant plant half of it now and half
Speaker 1: of it later, and you can have two totally different
Speaker 1: like results. You know, their strategy for two totally different
Speaker 1: times periods. Not that they won't eat the big stuff,
Speaker 1: especially if it's heavily heavy on radish in my opinion,
Speaker 1: but it just those bolds have definitely become a lot
Speaker 1: more desirable late season. You know, I fail you know? Okay? Um,
Speaker 1: so overseating you get us have both talked about this
Speaker 1: overseating standing beans or into like a mode down corn
Speaker 1: plot something like that. Um, I know some people have
Speaker 1: even you know, I think you talked about us to
Speaker 1: negotiate with a farmer that they can do it right. Um,
Speaker 1: can you fill us in on what you found to
Speaker 1: be the best timing, Like when's the right time to
Speaker 1: do that? What are the conditions you need for that
Speaker 1: to actually work? Because that's one of those things that
Speaker 1: seems like a relatively easy thing to do. You don't
Speaker 1: need a bunch of equipment. You can kind of really
Speaker 1: increase your food output relatively simply, but you've got to
Speaker 1: do it the right way to have it actually work out. Right.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what's the right way to do them? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, as soon as they start turning yellow, you
Speaker 1: want to you want to oversee them, and you want
Speaker 1: to use The key is small seeds. Um. I pretty
Speaker 1: much keep it simple and just do win a rye.
Speaker 1: I'll do like two bags to the acre um, not
Speaker 1: not rye grass um, but cereal cereal grain rye. Two
Speaker 1: bags of the acre as soon as they yellow. And
Speaker 1: then um, as far as Braskas go, you know, you
Speaker 1: just want good seed the soil contact, which the smaller
Speaker 1: seeds tend to get that. But I think any of
Speaker 1: the Braskas you know, turn ups you know radish, right.
Speaker 1: I think all of it works well. Um, A lot
Speaker 1: of times I just end up kind of throwing you know,
Speaker 1: all the all my left overseas out there at a
Speaker 1: certain point. You know that I don't think it's gonna
Speaker 1: keep to the next year or whatever. Um. One other
Speaker 1: tip I would give you on overseating is if you're
Speaker 1: truly planning corn yourself, and you're and you're wanting to
Speaker 1: oversee that stuff, run your rose north and south because
Speaker 1: they'll get better light in there. And the best way
Speaker 1: to oversee corn, if you truly want to get out
Speaker 1: there and get after it, is to use a leaf
Speaker 1: flower spreader, and that way you can shoot it, you know,
Speaker 1: shoot it up in the air and whatever. But a
Speaker 1: lot of times I don't go to that effort because
Speaker 1: the mowing of the corn is so powerful. What I
Speaker 1: do is my first mowing of the corn getting ready
Speaker 1: for deer season will be like September here in Illinois,
Speaker 1: a few days before the season, a week for a season.
Speaker 1: You're still early enough then to oversee it. So I'll
Speaker 1: mow that first area, and then I'll oversee that one area,
Speaker 1: you know, and that will serve me a little green
Speaker 1: plot through most of October. Okay, I follow you now.
Speaker 1: Something I've seen you guys talk about in some of
Speaker 1: your videos where you're enough farms. You've talked about, Well,
Speaker 1: if if the person behind this farm wants to just
Speaker 1: firearm hunt this, we would recommend setting up these plots
Speaker 1: in these food sources differently, versus if this is somebody
Speaker 1: who wants to bow hunt it. Um, how would the
Speaker 1: things you're just talking about right now, Bobby, change if
Speaker 1: I told you, well, I'm an out of state in
Speaker 1: Iowa and I really can only get that every year
Speaker 1: gun tag. Or maybe I'm just a guy who prefers
Speaker 1: gun hunting most of the time. Or we've got a
Speaker 1: big family camp and that's really when we're gonna focus
Speaker 1: on things, So I'm not as worried about you know,
Speaker 1: a bow hunting set up. How does that change your
Speaker 1: food source, food plot plan. Well, I'll give you a
Speaker 1: real world example. UM. Me and Toby are a nonresidents,
Speaker 1: non residence obviously in Iowa, and we've got a thirty
Speaker 1: acre tillable field that we bought up against the no
Speaker 1: hunting property and it literally is a tillable field. UM.
Speaker 1: And we are essentially designing a a screen if you will,
Speaker 1: about fifty to switch grass in the road. It's a long,
Speaker 1: skinny thirty against the no hunting property. So we have
Speaker 1: a fifty yard stretch of switch grass to screens from
Speaker 1: the road, and then we have a narrower uh screen
Speaker 1: of switch grass. It turns and heads north of the
Speaker 1: property line out in the field, away from the cover
Speaker 1: from the door hunting property. UM. And it's probably about
Speaker 1: I think it's about six six so it's twenty yards wide,
Speaker 1: and it runs the length of the thirty and the
Speaker 1: thirty is pretty it's it's fairly narrow. Um man, it's
Speaker 1: got to go up there. It seems like it seems
Speaker 1: like a half mile, but it's probably probably not quite that.
Speaker 1: And then at the far end it will turn back
Speaker 1: to this big no hunting property and it will have
Speaker 1: you know, fifty yards of grass up there on that
Speaker 1: east side where our e grass will be will be
Speaker 1: almost like a two track, you know, something to walk up,
Speaker 1: something that keeps our grass a little away from the
Speaker 1: adjacent farmer field so we don't get any wind drift
Speaker 1: to kill our grasses. Um. And then from the road
Speaker 1: when the and I'll stake all this out with snow
Speaker 1: plow steaks, you know, this year when we go to
Speaker 1: the frost seeding the switch grass soon, I won't have
Speaker 1: him pull in and cut straight to the switch where
Speaker 1: you can look like a lane down into our our
Speaker 1: field of paradise back there, which is about end up
Speaker 1: being about twenty two or three acres um. It'll kind
Speaker 1: of go at an angle or it will be like
Speaker 1: a kind of a half moon shaped entrance road for
Speaker 1: the farmer into the big field. And then if you
Speaker 1: go halfway up that screen on the right side, the
Speaker 1: east side of the property, our box blind will be.
Speaker 1: You'll cut into that grass twenty yards and you'll get
Speaker 1: into the blind perfectly ingress, perfectly grass. And when you
Speaker 1: get in there and you sit down, you look out,
Speaker 1: you'll be looking at a twenty acre hidden field. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, up against no hunting. And essentially we kinda
Speaker 1: we we went round and round about different strategy, but
Speaker 1: what we're doing there is we're keeping our our cash
Speaker 1: RNT high. He's gonna plant the entire field for us,
Speaker 1: um and then he's gonna leave standing crop for us
Speaker 1: a couple of acres of it. So again we'll get
Speaker 1: our We're not having to do anything once his grass
Speaker 1: is established because a farm is doing it everything for us,
Speaker 1: and we negotiated to have him cover crop it. So
Speaker 1: now we're gonna have a twenty acre acre you know,
Speaker 1: win or rye or turn ups or combination field you know,
Speaker 1: into cut beans with you know, two three or four
Speaker 1: or five acres of standing beans. And we literally turned
Speaker 1: a tillable field into a world class big buck killing
Speaker 1: machine and the noose is just less tight. There's still
Speaker 1: a bunch of strategy there. But you know, it's just
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be as tight, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? You can back off, you can. It's it's
Speaker 1: just a little easier to do, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: So so do you have or do you try to
Speaker 1: create any kind of pinches still even if they're a
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards wide, or or you're not as
Speaker 1: worried about that because of you know what you just describe.
Speaker 1: I know, I don't think so. Um, it's it's just
Speaker 1: all about perfect ingress and agress like picture. You know,
Speaker 1: you're nonresident, you got authority up there in Iowa. You
Speaker 1: just want one gigantic food source. You just need perfect
Speaker 1: You need to be able to hunt that field probability.
Speaker 1: You need to be able to hunt that field every
Speaker 1: day for two weeks. If that's you know, if that's
Speaker 1: what it means you got a big buck in there.
Speaker 1: You can't be held at at the mercy of of
Speaker 1: odds and not be able to hunt it on a
Speaker 1: certain wind, and or you can't be hurting your odds
Speaker 1: every day by blowing deer when you come out of
Speaker 1: that field. So I'd say gun hunting, it becomes it
Speaker 1: becomes a lot you're doing the same thing. It's just
Speaker 1: the new studdn't have to be tight as tight. And
Speaker 1: actually the kind of the the side effect of it
Speaker 1: is you pressure your farm less, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because you don't have to dive in quite as much.
Speaker 1: We did a consult for a guy up in Decanyer County, Iowa.
Speaker 1: Oh man, it was one of my favorite farms I've
Speaker 1: ever been on my life. And we kind of quadr
Speaker 1: in the farm off into four places, had four giant
Speaker 1: food sources with absolutely perfect ingress and egress um to
Speaker 1: each spot. And I mean done acres for for food sources.
Speaker 1: You know, all your eggs in one basket big and
Speaker 1: we did two corn plots to bean plots. They rotate
Speaker 1: every year. You asked told me that question that that
Speaker 1: would be one thing I'd add on there. If you
Speaker 1: are going to have two big areas, I try and
Speaker 1: rotate it to where it's corn beans, so you have
Speaker 1: both every year because they will favor one or the
Speaker 1: other on a given day. I don't think we can
Speaker 1: totally figure that out as hunters. So it seems like
Speaker 1: all this one day they all go green, one day
Speaker 1: they all go to gens, one day all go to
Speaker 1: corn um. But it's good to just have a variety,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, tell me, would you add anything to that,
Speaker 1: you know, if I had a firearm specific farm or
Speaker 1: area or if that was just my thing. Uh, you
Speaker 1: just you know you have that. That gun is kind
Speaker 1: of a great equalizer. Is kind of what I pulled it,
Speaker 1: you know, the way I put it in our four
Speaker 1: farm before farm project we had in Iowa this year.
Speaker 1: We kind of set that whole deal up as a
Speaker 1: as a late season you know, more of a late
Speaker 1: season project and or being plots were just a little
Speaker 1: bit bigger, and we paid way you know, the most
Speaker 1: attention to the the access because it goes right back
Speaker 1: to what I said before. Especially in a late season situation,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a lot of deer coming in and
Speaker 1: going from that field, and you know, if you can't
Speaker 1: get in and out of there without blowing them up
Speaker 1: every time, I mean, you're kind of you're spinning your wheels.
Speaker 1: So access is super important. And then making him making
Speaker 1: sure you have enough tonnage of food to still have
Speaker 1: those deer hitting that plot of the last day of
Speaker 1: the muzzle or season, so you can't run out of
Speaker 1: food and you can't be blowing your plot up coming
Speaker 1: and going every day. Yeah, and one thing I would
Speaker 1: say about gun hunting specifically, and this is more like strategy,
Speaker 1: less about habitat or food plots or whatever. But I
Speaker 1: love gun hunting. I mean, obviously I'm big, die hard
Speaker 1: bow hunter, but I love dun hunting. And the way
Speaker 1: that I kind of approached this this deer season is
Speaker 1: like I'm like risk reward. I'm getting a little more invasive,
Speaker 1: a little more invasive as the time goes. I'm tightening
Speaker 1: the noose if I haven't killed him by gun season,
Speaker 1: Like I'm dropping dot on the map where I think
Speaker 1: he's at, and I'm trekking in there with a climber,
Speaker 1: you know or whatever, just something mobile, and I'm getting
Speaker 1: right in the thicker things with him with the gun.
Speaker 1: And so, you know a lot of times in in
Speaker 1: in the contolts and stuff, we'll lay out a standard
Speaker 1: two for gun that's just blaze in the media things,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And it's like, don't go in.
Speaker 1: And this is the Illinois specifically, because our gun season
Speaker 1: comes in like right and right in the heart of
Speaker 1: what I call the post lock and cruise is like
Speaker 1: November twenty, you know, so that's kind of like that
Speaker 1: risk reward thing gun strategy, like dive in when it's
Speaker 1: when it's right, you know. Yeah. Interesting. Uh. One more
Speaker 1: thing on the on the food side, and it's it's
Speaker 1: not really food related, I guess, but it is sort
Speaker 1: of coming back to creating these or finding these locations
Speaker 1: of scent concentrations. Toby, you you'd mentioned this early, the
Speaker 1: tree koise um and I know you mentioned that Bobby,
Speaker 1: you'll sometimes actually get rid of other scrapes in the
Speaker 1: area to to further concentrate where you want it. Can
Speaker 1: you expand on that a little bit and just just
Speaker 1: give me a little bit more detail about why that
Speaker 1: is an important thing and is that something you do
Speaker 1: on all of your food sources and plots. And then secondly,
Speaker 1: I know you guys create your own tree koi product um.
Speaker 1: Can you can you talk to me why that style
Speaker 1: you guys do is more effective than sticking a cut
Speaker 1: down tree in the middle or you know, one of
Speaker 1: these other tactics that people use to create a fake screen,
Speaker 1: fake scrape tree. It's just probability. So like you know,
Speaker 1: if you're a big deer and you you you know,
Speaker 1: and this kind of dives into the hunting strategies side
Speaker 1: of things. But if you're in the mindset in October
Speaker 1: of a territory cruise and you're not really heavily on
Speaker 1: the dough mindset and you're just you're marking territories, is
Speaker 1: the high pressure night You show up to a food
Speaker 1: pot and you can just kind of bang into that
Speaker 1: back edge and you know, maybe lip curl flaxer muscles,
Speaker 1: hit a scrape and go on to the next one. Well,
Speaker 1: if you didn't have a scrape in that back cove
Speaker 1: or fifty yards or what do you have come to
Speaker 1: the tree koi that is right in front of your box.
Speaker 1: It also happens to be a massive concentration the set.
Speaker 1: Who knows, you don't know, but to me, you know,
Speaker 1: it makes sense that that just ups it's just upping odds.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's that it's that last jinga block that
Speaker 1: you pull and his world comes crumbling down. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: as far as the tree koise go, we just they're
Speaker 1: just there. You know, they're pretty simple they're just but
Speaker 1: they're made out of cedar. They have a hemp rope
Speaker 1: on one side. They've got a bracket on the other
Speaker 1: side to stick whatever whatever brand you want. They're just,
Speaker 1: you know, they're robust. We put them in with a
Speaker 1: with a you know, um an augur or whatever. So
Speaker 1: they're down in concrete them deep. So they're just they're robust.
Speaker 1: They're gonna stay there. You can put them in the
Speaker 1: exact spot you want. They rubbed the heck out of
Speaker 1: the cedar and then um we also have a we
Speaker 1: have a weather vein that we put on the top
Speaker 1: of the tree Koi, and that weather vein allows you
Speaker 1: when you're sitting in a box again, that last box
Speaker 1: of Jenga, and that that last block got me last year.
Speaker 1: Even when I was in a set free blocks, I
Speaker 1: didn't have on that face face with the monster video.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a tree COI, I didn't have that
Speaker 1: weather vane out there. And I opened that window and
Speaker 1: the thermals had turned and we're cutting across the back
Speaker 1: edge of the plot and the doe caught me and
Speaker 1: took off and then he ended up smelling me. So
Speaker 1: if I was watching that weather vane. If I had
Speaker 1: one of them out in that plot, I would not
Speaker 1: have opened that window yet. So that weather vane gives
Speaker 1: you the ability to essentially, you know, no when to
Speaker 1: not open the wind. It also teaches you a lot
Speaker 1: about kind of air currents and what's going on, and
Speaker 1: you realize real quick there's a lot more going on
Speaker 1: than you kind of thing. Yeah, that's pretty interesting. That
Speaker 1: that's the that's the deal with those things. So site
Speaker 1: there you can actually there's a video that kind of
Speaker 1: keys in on those tree kois and there's some really
Speaker 1: cool trail camera video of you know, watching these books
Speaker 1: and watching the those and and see how they communicate
Speaker 1: through scent. But this tree coy is even the those
Speaker 1: when they come by it, each one of them will
Speaker 1: smell a different part of it, and they'll reach up
Speaker 1: and they'll actually lick and nibble on the hemp rope
Speaker 1: and they'll rub it on their face. And then you know,
Speaker 1: the next day you'll come in, they'll do something different.
Speaker 1: They'll smell the rubbing part of it. But it's you know,
Speaker 1: deer communicate through scent primarily, and that's you're just giving
Speaker 1: them a place to do that, a place where they
Speaker 1: do that on our terms. Yes, yeah, and that seems
Speaker 1: that's like a a theme of everything you guys seem
Speaker 1: to be doing. Is you correct me if I'm wrong here,
Speaker 1: but I feel like one of the one of your
Speaker 1: secret sauces is being really good at at noticing and
Speaker 1: analyzing what the deer want to do naturally and then
Speaker 1: enhancing it where you can, or hedging, tweaking, twisting, shifting
Speaker 1: a bit to make sure that what dear naturally do
Speaker 1: happens in a place that's advantageous to you as the hunter.
Speaker 1: And everything seems to be connected. Yeah. Yes, you have
Speaker 1: to be able to think like a deer in order
Speaker 1: to you know, and anybody can do that, you know,
Speaker 1: but you have to be able to think like a
Speaker 1: deer in order to kind of you know, work backwards
Speaker 1: to set set the pharm up, you know. And it's
Speaker 1: even like the blinds. You know we talked about we
Speaker 1: have our own minds made. Well. We didn't do that
Speaker 1: because we wanted to, like, you know, we didn't do
Speaker 1: it by default because we want to build a big
Speaker 1: blind company. We did it because we wanted to build
Speaker 1: in little layers of micro strategy. The way that we
Speaker 1: wanted to utilize a blind the way we wanted it
Speaker 1: set free. Like our windows are glass, so they don't
Speaker 1: scratch that. We have Matt Vinyl blackout on the outside,
Speaker 1: the bouse the blind black. The inside is black. When
Speaker 1: you open the window, there's no flash because it's final
Speaker 1: blackout film. On the outside, there's no glass, there's no glare.
Speaker 1: That's that last Jana block that you open. You open
Speaker 1: a glass one, a replexi glass one. It reflects and
Speaker 1: the dope catches you and starts wagging out, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So there's so many like little tiny
Speaker 1: micro strategies and it all adds up like one thing
Speaker 1: might be silly, another thing might be silly. But when
Speaker 1: you have like fifteen year twenty things going on, it
Speaker 1: starts changing the game. Yeah, I feel like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of like famous football coaches and different folks in
Speaker 1: the sporting world to talk about this idea of the
Speaker 1: accrue of marginal gains. It's just the tiny thing today,
Speaker 1: and the tiny thing tomorrow, and the tiny thing every
Speaker 1: one of these little pieces stacks up just like you're saying,
Speaker 1: Bob and I have two thousand percent agree that that
Speaker 1: is that's the difference between you know, your your guy
Speaker 1: or girl who can be consistently successful and the person
Speaker 1: who looks into it for once in a while. It's
Speaker 1: it's just stacking them, stacking every little marginal gain and
Speaker 1: it grows into something, um paying attention to. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: I said, we all have different strokes of the brush.
Speaker 1: That's what's kind of cool about like this kind of
Speaker 1: group of white tail kind of minds. Everybody's got a
Speaker 1: different stroke. It's like art at a certain point, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody's successful or whatever. It's just everybody got a little
Speaker 1: different twitter cake on it, you know, a little different
Speaker 1: stroke of the brush. Um. But I do feel like
Speaker 1: the one thing that we can all agree on is
Speaker 1: the ability to increase odds. Yeah, and we're kind of um,
Speaker 1: we're jumping on top of the final thing I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about before I even ask the questions, So
Speaker 1: we might have just answered the question I'm about to
Speaker 1: ask you. But but I want to wrap it up here.
Speaker 1: I've we uh, we could definitely talk through these things.
Speaker 1: Were about four more hours, So we do probably need
Speaker 1: to set up a future get together to do more
Speaker 1: of this because there's a lot I still wanted to
Speaker 1: cover it. I just can't keep it here till midnight. Um.
Speaker 1: But but you guys do have this really unique opportunity
Speaker 1: where you get to, you know, bring on you know,
Speaker 1: the best of the best and spend time with them,
Speaker 1: either helping them with their properties or them joining you
Speaker 1: to go out and do this kind of stuff for
Speaker 1: other people. So you've you've been able to pick the
Speaker 1: brains are the best of the best and work with
Speaker 1: the best of the best. So other than you know,
Speaker 1: those people or situations where you know, you have a
Speaker 1: lot more money to use for this kind of thing
Speaker 1: or a lot more time to spend on this kind
Speaker 1: of thing, other than those two variables that are outside
Speaker 1: of you know, every person's particular circumstances. What what do
Speaker 1: the best of the do? Sorry, what do the best
Speaker 1: of the best to do that the average guyler girl doesn't?
Speaker 1: So what separates the top one percent from the other? Um?
Speaker 1: Is it just what we talked about or is there
Speaker 1: anything else that you can point a finger to specifically
Speaker 1: kind of on the you know, working on a habitat
Speaker 1: side of things that stands out to you? Tell me
Speaker 1: if you want to start, UM, I just think education,
Speaker 1: like Bobby talked about earlier. The more whether it's our
Speaker 1: stuff you're watching, or Bend stuff we're watching, or anybody
Speaker 1: else who's who's big into the management and development, I mean,
Speaker 1: the more knowledge you can get and then figuring out
Speaker 1: if that particular knowledge applies to your peace. You know,
Speaker 1: it's again it's coming right back to no peace of
Speaker 1: the same, you know, and and everybody's got a little
Speaker 1: bit of spin. But the more knowledge you can gain, no,
Speaker 1: the better you're gonna be with with how it applies
Speaker 1: to your place. And you know, these guys that we
Speaker 1: deal with and that are the bigger, you know, bigger
Speaker 1: names in the industry. I think these guys they eat, sleep,
Speaker 1: deer hunting like like we do. It's like it's it's
Speaker 1: it's part of every conversation. It's it's you know, the
Speaker 1: boots on the ground every day. Or you know, everybody's
Speaker 1: phones are going off with your cell cams and you're
Speaker 1: continue to building your hit list, and you're you're just
Speaker 1: paying attention to all these little things. And you know,
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. You know that you know
Speaker 1: more or less the average guy. You know, they don't
Speaker 1: have the advantage of time to pay attention to nothing
Speaker 1: but deer hunting, like some people do, And that's that's fine.
Speaker 1: But that's where watching the videos and listening and learning
Speaker 1: from the guys that do have the time to spend
Speaker 1: endless hours in the woods learning, that's that's that's the
Speaker 1: biggest thing to me, is learned from what everybody else
Speaker 1: has to say. Yeah, great point, Bubby, Bubby, what would
Speaker 1: you say you've seen? Yeah, I agree with with that too.
Speaker 1: You know, there's definitely gonna be people that are listening
Speaker 1: that feel like, you know, they can't relate or whatever.
Speaker 1: But um, you know, I grew up I didn't have
Speaker 1: anybody in my family even hunted. I was in the
Speaker 1: suburbs of North Carolina. For some reason, I had this
Speaker 1: like burning passion to deer hunting. Ended up finding an
Speaker 1: older gentleman to take me and this and that and
Speaker 1: but as time, when on I got in on a lease,
Speaker 1: I got my dad into hunting. Our lease was a
Speaker 1: dog hunting club in South Carolina, and I remember we
Speaker 1: even joined it on some of the dog hunting deals,
Speaker 1: and you know, and then I've moved up to upstate
Speaker 1: New York and I hunted in the Adirondacks with guys
Speaker 1: and did drives and that rendecks. And you know what
Speaker 1: I'm getting at is, no matter where you are, different
Speaker 1: styles of hunting come about, um, just because of the
Speaker 1: way the deer are, the way the habitat is, or
Speaker 1: the food down south of the pines and stuff that
Speaker 1: it's hard to hunt. You know, in the mountains of
Speaker 1: the Adirondics there's not a lot of deer and so
Speaker 1: they're doing drive. So my point is like, don't I
Speaker 1: would tell people, don't ever have like you know, um,
Speaker 1: your guard up or preconceived notion about somebody else's dear knowledge.
Speaker 1: They're all just deer and you can learn. Like the
Speaker 1: dog guys for example, I mean, they know better about
Speaker 1: the deer's escape routes and how they travel than anybody.
Speaker 1: The guys in the outer ondex they know a lot
Speaker 1: about that as well. You know, the Kansas deer or
Speaker 1: nomad they will wander fifteen miles for food. Like everywhere
Speaker 1: you go, the deer are different, and you have guys
Speaker 1: that are consistently successful in those areas, they become masters
Speaker 1: of that. So like you know, listen to those guys
Speaker 1: that are successful in their areas. Pull snippets and then
Speaker 1: before you know it, something you learn from the guys
Speaker 1: in a different area you can apply, you know, to
Speaker 1: the Midwest and it just makes you a bit better
Speaker 1: hunter there. Um, I think I think just in general,
Speaker 1: people being a little more open to listening, you know, like,
Speaker 1: for example, we have the opportunity to be around a
Speaker 1: lot of big, mature deer. Um. Like I even listen
Speaker 1: to a le a lot leads around a ton of
Speaker 1: mature deer. He's he's become a master of growing old deer.
Speaker 1: He's passing deer. They're two hundred at five because you
Speaker 1: want some seven you if you can learn more about
Speaker 1: how a seven year old deer behaves, well, then when
Speaker 1: you do have a seven year old deer to hunt,
Speaker 1: you're ahead of the curve, you know. So kind of
Speaker 1: what Toby said, just listening, learning from everybody, um, not
Speaker 1: not thinking that there's a one size fits all approach,
Speaker 1: because there's not, um, you know, And definitely they don't
Speaker 1: need to be a big name person to be listening to.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of guys that look up to
Speaker 1: and stuff that are killers, and you know they don't
Speaker 1: you know, they just do their things. So just listening
Speaker 1: and learning and and and definitely learning from the deer.
Speaker 1: That people always say, well, how do you know how
Speaker 1: to hunt a farm? With you? It's your first year.
Speaker 1: It takes a while to learn it. And I always say, well,
Speaker 1: I'm learning a deer and he's teaching me the farm.
Speaker 1: Just pay attention to what he's doing, and he'll teach
Speaker 1: to the farm, you know, and then pretty tun you
Speaker 1: know how to basically you kind of know how he's
Speaker 1: gonna use a farm because you've seen it before, you know, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta yeah. This is um, this is the fun stuff,
Speaker 1: Like this is really really fun stuff, trying to pick
Speaker 1: apart those different little nuances, learning the deer, learn the property,
Speaker 1: learning how this little change here affects this little thing
Speaker 1: over here, and how it's all connected in between. And uh,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate the level of thought that you guys
Speaker 1: put into it that that stands out and uh, and
Speaker 1: I enjoy it. And obviously the results are are indicating
Speaker 1: that what you're what you're putting out there is working.
Speaker 1: So if if folks Bobby want to learn more, if
Speaker 1: they want to see what you guys have up to,
Speaker 1: if they want to see future properties, that might be
Speaker 1: all available for sale. I mean, you've got a lot
Speaker 1: of things going on. Where can people find all of
Speaker 1: these different things? Um? So our YouTube channel, the white
Speaker 1: Tail group, basically has a lot of series where that
Speaker 1: we just follow, you know, the cameras follow the farm.
Speaker 1: The first video might be, uh, you know, the play
Speaker 1: and the next one might be the logging project or
Speaker 1: you know, excavation project or whatever it might need, and
Speaker 1: then you know the food plots and stuff, and then
Speaker 1: the final product. So it's almost like kind of like
Speaker 1: an h G TV type you know format. Um. And
Speaker 1: then our Facebook page, you know, gets a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff on there. Not strong on Instagram yet, we need
Speaker 1: to work on that. Um. We got stuff on TikTok.
Speaker 1: On our website, we have a farm's page. It kind
Speaker 1: of shows what's coming down the pipeline, and we have
Speaker 1: a pre market buyer list and that list we kind
Speaker 1: of we kind of and we're kind of changing our
Speaker 1: format a little. A lot of times we've been doing
Speaker 1: the plan on the farm, but we're starting to come
Speaker 1: back and do the plan on a zoom style meeting
Speaker 1: where we talk about and physically show it all on
Speaker 1: on Onyx on the maps um, and that way it
Speaker 1: makes more sense before we get into developing it. UM.
Speaker 1: So we just did one the other day, and I
Speaker 1: will send you a link to that when it's up
Speaker 1: on YouTube, and you could maybe put it out there
Speaker 1: on your on your platform people watch, because that's gonna
Speaker 1: take everything we just talked about and it's gonna hie
Speaker 1: it all in and they're gonna be able to see
Speaker 1: it happening, you know, in the layout of a farm
Speaker 1: and kind of our approach with all these different strategies. UM.
Speaker 1: And you know, generally our a website has got a
Speaker 1: lot of information. It's got until belief in program, it's
Speaker 1: got you know, UM, it's got the logging information, it's
Speaker 1: got farms for sale stuff, it's got blind entre Cooi
Speaker 1: has kind of got a little bit everything. So very cool.
Speaker 1: Untilby is there anything else in your end with with
Speaker 1: real estate or anything else that you want to mention? UM,
Speaker 1: you can see you can get on a white tail
Speaker 1: group dot com and look for all the projects you're
Speaker 1: coming out of pipeline that Bobby says, and we talked
Speaker 1: a little bit about, you know, the pre market thing
Speaker 1: in a couple of examples, but you know, I just people.
Speaker 1: You know, if you're looking for a piece of ground,
Speaker 1: you can actually reach out to us and say, here's
Speaker 1: what I'm wanting, here's the area I want to be in,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'd like for you guys to find
Speaker 1: it about it, you know, and and when I take over,
Speaker 1: I want to finish product and so there's a process
Speaker 1: that can happen. Feel free to reach out to us
Speaker 1: and just talk about that and watch the videos on it.
Speaker 1: Other than that, um, we don't have something you're looking for,
Speaker 1: you can get on the land guys dot com and
Speaker 1: see some other farms in the area. And even if
Speaker 1: you know, something develops to where you buy a farm
Speaker 1: that we don't own, we'd still be happy to do
Speaker 1: the console and jump in there and help you with
Speaker 1: any part of the project or the plan. So it's
Speaker 1: a couple different ways that you can get involved. And
Speaker 1: the console side of our business is kind of blowing up.
Speaker 1: That's where it all begins. I mean, that's where the
Speaker 1: magic happens. I tell people, you know, forty bucks and
Speaker 1: you have this group of people help you shave off
Speaker 1: the years of trial and air and property value. You know,
Speaker 1: I say, if we can increase your property value a
Speaker 1: hundred dollars per acre, which is it's probably gonna be
Speaker 1: more like several hundred. You know, for every hundred acres
Speaker 1: that we increase by dollars and acres ten grands double
Speaker 1: your investment. So it's a no brainer from the standpoint
Speaker 1: of what you learned that will follow you forever on
Speaker 1: that console, regardless of property, the use you get out
Speaker 1: of the property while you own it, and the resale value.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a no brainer. And for me, I'm
Speaker 1: so passionate about that because it's we're truly like changing
Speaker 1: the course of people's on experience by helping or even
Speaker 1: on their own farms with consulting, very very cool stuff.
Speaker 1: I can certainly see the appeal to having you guys
Speaker 1: and some of your pals come out there and share
Speaker 1: your perspective on a place. Uh that sounds like a fun,
Speaker 1: very interesting day. So guys do a project together. Hey,
Speaker 1: let me know. I'm all for it. I love that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And uh, I'm guilty of always selfishly
Speaker 1: wanting to pick the brains of the best and the
Speaker 1: best myself, which you guys qualify us. I appreciate you, guys.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for for staying up lay here
Speaker 1: tonight's talk through all this stuff and sticking around for
Speaker 1: so long. Um, this is uh, this is some great
Speaker 1: next level habitat and know how that I know folks
Speaker 1: are gonna enjoy. So thank you, thank you, thank you,
Speaker 1: and that is a rap. Thank you for joining me,
Speaker 1: Thanks for sticking around for a long one here today.
Speaker 1: I hope you found some valuable concepts, strategies, ideas, tips, tricks, uh,
Speaker 1: something you can bring to the table when improving your
Speaker 1: own white tail properties. Uh. I know I certainly did
Speaker 1: so well that all said, let's wrap this one up,
Speaker 1: let's get out there and get to work on our
Speaker 1: own places. And until next time, stay wired. Tom