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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the white tail woods, presented by First Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand saddler blind, First Light,

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Speaker 1: Go further, Stay Longer, and now your host Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and this week on the show, I'm joined

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Speaker 1: by Bobby Kendall and Toby Stay of the White Tailed

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Speaker 1: Group to discuss their approach to building elite white tail

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Speaker 1: hunting properties. All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by First Light. Today we are continuing

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Speaker 1: our Habitat Month series and we've got two really interesting guests.

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Speaker 1: We've got a set of ideas, concepts, and philosophies that

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Speaker 1: I think are very next level. We get into the

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Speaker 1: nitty gritty on some stuff that I think the real

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Speaker 1: white tail habitat crazy is out there that are listening

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Speaker 1: right now like me, are going to find really interesting.

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Speaker 1: My guests today are Bobby Kendall and Toby Stay of

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Speaker 1: the White Tail Group, So two guys who are absolutely

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Speaker 1: addicted to taking white tail properties to the next level

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Speaker 1: and their own hunting to that level too, and they've

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Speaker 1: done it not just for themselves, but on a wider

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Speaker 1: scale for other people through their company, the White Tail Group.

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Speaker 1: The white Tail Group does a number of things. They

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Speaker 1: provide land consultations, They've got a logging division that focuses

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Speaker 1: on conducting logging projects with a white tail focus. They

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Speaker 1: build a bunch of different products for hunting, their own

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Speaker 1: tree koise, box, blind stuff like that. But most notably,

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Speaker 1: they buy and sell developed farms. And it's this last

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Speaker 1: part that caught my attention. Over on their YouTube channel

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Speaker 1: where they showcase all this stuff. Over there, you can

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Speaker 1: follow their projects as they buy these raw pieces of

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Speaker 1: ground and then transform them over the course of months,

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Speaker 1: sometimes years, into what they call elite white tail hunting experiences.

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Speaker 1: And in watching these videos, I've been able to witness,

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Speaker 1: you know, Bobby and Toby's extreme attention to detail, and

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Speaker 1: I think I think it's fair to say are a

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Speaker 1: pretty outside the box approach in many cases to building,

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Speaker 1: manipulating and improving white tail habitat. They're they're really building

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Speaker 1: true white tail Mecca's absolute dream scenarios, and they're sharing

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Speaker 1: a lot of the ideas that they're using to create

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Speaker 1: these places. Um, which is why I found their video series,

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Speaker 1: very very interesting, and why it seemed like they would

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Speaker 1: be the perfect guests to join us here for another

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Speaker 1: installment during our habitat month. Now, I will say, um,

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Speaker 1: I think it's probably fair to say the approach the

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Speaker 1: Bobby and Toby you in their land work might not

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Speaker 1: be for everyone. It's probably not going to be for everyone.

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Speaker 1: There's there's a level here of manipulation and influencing of

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Speaker 1: deer movement through some of their projects that is definitely

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Speaker 1: more extreme than most. Uh. It's it's quite effective, it seems,

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Speaker 1: but it's probably or possibly going to seem like too

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Speaker 1: much to some people, not to mention, you know, very

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Speaker 1: might not be for everyone, and there might be some

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Speaker 1: people who hear this and say, oh, this is this

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Speaker 1: is too much, this is too heavy handed. You're forcing

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Speaker 1: the deer to do things, um that are outside of

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Speaker 1: and and much much more. So, give this one a listen.

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Speaker 1: Filter it through. What seems appropriate in your scenario, what

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Speaker 1: seems realistic in your scenario. Take some ideas, leave some ideas,

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Speaker 1: find what's right, but learn something that's my wish for

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Speaker 1: you today, and I think you certainly will. So, without

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Speaker 1: further ado, let's get to my conversation with Bobby Kendall

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Speaker 1: and Toby Stay all right here with me now on

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Speaker 1: the line. I've got Bobby Kendall and Toby stay, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for making time to do this. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking I've been looking forward to this since. Man,

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Speaker 1: it would have been this past October or November. I

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Speaker 1: started thinking, Man, I gotta get these guys on the show.

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Speaker 1: I had been sitting in the tree watching over some

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Speaker 1: food plots of mine hunting and thinking to myself, I

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Speaker 1: way I was triggered. I remembered a YouTube thumbnail I

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Speaker 1: develop the elite white tail hunting experience. You developed farms

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Speaker 1: What does that mean? How how do you guys define

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Bobby, if you want to kick things

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Speaker 1: all that stuff. But ironically, that question is the elite

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Speaker 1: So that experience is different for everybody. Although our our

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Speaker 1: So that that to me kind of defines what the

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Speaker 1: hunting experience that you just described Tolby? You know what

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Speaker 1: you're asked to where to start. I would probably start

430
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Speaker 1: with having Mark come out to your property and paying

431
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 1: him to do a professional console and then telling him

432
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 1: in the beginning what the reasoning is for for starting it.

433
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: And then that's kind of how our process starts. And

434
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 1: that would be if somebody buying a farm and you're

435
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 1: wanting help. It's different when we are buying them for ourselves,

436
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: and obviously we're doing all that ourselves, and that honestly

437
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: that iron me And I'm not one of the hard

438
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 1: sell or push You've never seen any of us hard

439
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,479
Speaker 1: selling or anything on our videos. It's all really just

440
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: follow us and it's free education and stuff. But the

441
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: more and more we do these consults, Mark Cluster goes

442
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 1: out and does the on sites and then I jump

443
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: on zoom to go over and lay in. But it

444
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: it is like it is truly amazing. I mean, people

445
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: are spending a lot of money on a farm and

446
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 1: a little bit extra to do something like that and

447
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: have a group of professionals kind of help. Like the

448
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: value that's provided is it is so much fun. It's

449
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: amazing to watch. I mean, like we did one a

450
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: few weeks ago for a guy that's shot several hundred

451
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: ninety class Deyer and he was just looking for one

452
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: little edge. But we do a lot of them for

453
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: guys that you know, they don't they they're very new

454
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 1: and they and it's just amazing to watch the fast

455
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: track that they get. Um, you know, they're just so

456
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: far out ahead and it's not a hard sell to

457
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 1: get our consults. But like that was a first thing

458
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: that popped in my head because it is like it

459
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: is so it is incredibly helpful. Um, if if you're

460
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 1: gonna do it on your own, like your question originally asked,

461
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, I'd say, dive into a bunch of our videos.

462
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 1: And I get emails every day about you know, how

463
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: many ideas they had and thank you and this and that,

464
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: and it's just it's just a bunch of free education.

465
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: Try and learn some concepts and theories, you know, learned

466
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 1: theories about I think like a deer, like big deer

467
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: want to quarter into the wind as they're looking for

468
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: those you know. Um, and try and set your farm

469
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 1: up so that he always is feeling comfortable. He's feeling

470
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: comfortable living there, he's feeling comfortable moving through there. Um.

471
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 1: And you know, we're just we're just trying to I say,

472
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: treat your farm like a glass house. You know. I

473
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: don't hunt as little of it as possible, but hunted effectively,

474
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: you know, don't let them know you're there. We use

475
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: all kinds of things you can see on our videos. Strategies.

476
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: We use lots of switch grass and stuff. Um, not

477
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: so much for betting, like a lot of people want

478
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: to think about it, but to take food or plates

479
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: off of the table, force them to where we want

480
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: to have them create create uh design or shape of

481
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: plots to create pinches which concentrates scent. Where we put

482
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: treacys to up the beer being there. We use the

483
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: grasses for ingress and perfect e grass with a low

484
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: box blind. We use the grass edge to be able

485
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: to move that blind down the grass edge drop of

486
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: season as you moke corn letter. There's so many things

487
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: that there's so many things. I would say, watch our videos,

488
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: watch other people's videos, learn, get as much information as

489
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: you possibly can, and then just try to build your

490
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: farm in a way that you can tiptoe around. It

491
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: can never be known that you were there or as

492
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: close as possible as you can get to that. Yeah,

493
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: I probability, no impact. Yes, I always talk about risk rewards.

494
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: So like is diving into the hardwoods in the middle

495
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: of October? Is the reward worth the risk? Well? Probably

496
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: not in most cases. Is it November five? Most likely?

497
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: Is it in November five? If you've you know, fell

498
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: some some less you know desirable trees and created took

499
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: that fifty yard gap and turned it into a thirty

500
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: yard gap, and they've got a deep ditch behind them,

501
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: and you know they have to come through there. Yes,

502
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: the reward is worth the risk at a certain point,

503
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: you know. So just and I call it like hunting defensively.

504
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: So hunting offense both offensively would be like being ramming

505
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: and charging it over here and charging it over here

506
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: and getting impatient and just hunting all over the place

507
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: like you're on the offense. Hunting defensivity is like, no,

508
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,479
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hunt today because it's not right now.

509
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go in there because it's not

510
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: time now. It's usually like less is more, you know.

511
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: It's it's not some magic potion to be more successful.

512
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: It's usually just being more patient and and hunting smarter

513
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: and doing less. That makes sense. Is it your opinion, Bobby,

514
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: that hunting defensively is the best approach just on private

515
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: pieces like this that we're talking about, where you can

516
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: manage and some to some degree, and then the more

517
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: offensive style hunting is the better approach when you're hunting

518
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: highly pressured places. Or is it more situation dependent than that?

519
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: You know, I you gotta use some common sense, but

520
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: I tend to just stay stay in my lane, think

521
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: like a deer and me versus the deer. I tend

522
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: you know to like, For example, this year, I still

523
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: even though you know, this business has grown into something

524
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: I never could have imagined, I still run a trail

525
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: camera and every nook and crannity that I can define

526
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: a big deer, because that's that's the key is you

527
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: gotta gotta have you gotta have one to kill one.

528
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: Um the farm I hunted on this year, I shot

529
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: a big deer. Um he was he officially scored, but

530
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: it was probably twenty acre area and I hunted it

531
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: last year as well, and um, I killed the big

532
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: one in there. Last year, well, there was there was

533
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, ten tree stands on this property. Uh, in

534
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: that area I was hunting, there's probably four or five

535
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: other ones from other people hunting. There was trail cams

536
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: all over the place. And I just I just kind

537
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: of stuck to my principles and and and haunted the deer.

538
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: I knew him from the last year, so I knew

539
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: kind of what he was gonna do, you know, same day,

540
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: same place type concept. And so um, you know, I'd say,

541
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: even if even if there's other people hunting, or there's

542
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: pressure or whatever, just you know, you gotta learn to

543
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: think like a deer. That's what one thing amazing about

544
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: Mark Cluster when he's doing our consoles that he's a

545
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: master of thinking like a deer. And that's why you

546
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: know he does such a great job doing our consoles,

547
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: just because it's all he first, before they even get

548
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: started on the farm, he's teaching them these principles about

549
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: a deer and how they live and how they how

550
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: they move about, so that then when he starts designing

551
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: and talking about setups, they can understand the principles, you know,

552
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: behind those setups, not just oh, let's throw food on here,

553
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: because you know, yeah, let's let's dive into that a

554
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: little bit further, this idea of of thinking like a

555
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: deer and then building or creating or preserving you know this, this,

556
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: this glass house or whatever this perfect situation would be,

557
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: so that I'm mature. Buck feels super comfortable, and let's start,

558
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: you know, in the place he spends probably more time

559
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: than anywhere else, which is his bed, his bedroom, his

560
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: his the core of his core, of his core. You

561
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: alluded to this a little bit, Bobby, with some of

562
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: the things you guys are doing. How are you how

563
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: are you guys thinking about buck betting areas and creating

564
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: betting areas, and what are the things that need to

565
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: be done to make sure that a mature buck or

566
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: as many possible mature bucks feel comfortable within your property

567
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: and whatever betting areas you have. What are some of

568
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: those key things that you are you know, making sure

569
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: you have or making sure you create right, Well, it's

570
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: kind of back to that nature preserve um public land

571
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: analogy there, which goes back to pressure. If you give

572
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: dear no pressure, they big bucks love line open our

573
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: woods if there's no pressure because they can see and

574
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: they can get out of there quickly. Back to that

575
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: deer I shot this year, those woods, you know I

576
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: could it was why it was just wide open. That

577
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: the deer I shot the year before. He was probably

578
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: seven and he when I after I killed him. Well,

579
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: the deer I killed killed was five. And after I

580
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: killed him, the neighbors sent me some pictures and they said, hey, congratulations,

581
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: I killed decay. And I said, what's the decay? And

582
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: they said dark Knight. We call him dark Knight because

583
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: we never saw him. Yeah. I got a lot of

584
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: day like pictures on and stuff. And the difference was

585
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: it was it was just a twenty acre area that

586
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: he grew up and spent a lot of time. Uh

587
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: that there was no pressure in there, and so you know,

588
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: he there's there's two pressures, like you have to give

589
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: them safety to live their life, to their so they

590
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: get to the point where we want to hunt them

591
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: and they're not going to tolerate you know, you know,

592
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: human intrusion and activity over the years. But then once

593
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: they get to that age, it can be hard to

594
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: kind of run them off, you know what I mean.

595
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: So like I had all kinds of bone head and

596
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: mistakes I made last year. There's this is kind of

597
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: getting confusing because there was two big dear. I was

598
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: hunting one of them. I hit one of them. I

599
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: ended up killing. But the one I hit was probably

600
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: one nine And um that dear, I mean I made

601
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: five six, seven, eight mistakes. I mean he winded me,

602
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: I missed him, I hit him, and uh, he just

603
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: would not leave because he spent seven years in an

604
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: area and he was at age, and it was hard.

605
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: It was hard to run him out of there. And people,

606
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: I don't think people realize that a lot of people

607
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: think of them as like unicorns, you know, like one

608
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: mistake and they're gone. Well, once they get to a

609
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: certain point, it can be hard to run them out,

610
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: but you have to give them that security over the

611
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: long haul to call home to where they become that

612
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: big buck. And so what that looks like starts with pressure.

613
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: All everything I just said, I guess gets back to

614
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: pressure regardless of the habitat. So you have to have

615
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: a place you're going to give them security. Um, and

616
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: then what that looks like in my in my eyes,

617
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: instead of going into an area where we have a

618
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: south facing slope, you know that makes sense, it's tucked in,

619
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: it's not going to be affected by our ingressive grass winds.

620
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: Rather than go back there and just you know, if

621
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: let's say, are logging division to own in there. Rather

622
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: than go in there and hammer the woods and make

623
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: a clear cut essentially or whatever, we're just kind of

624
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 1: do a healthy select cut. And then, like I said,

625
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: we'll pick that one spot. It's like, where would the

626
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: biggest buck in the woods want to live her way,

627
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: We'll probably right there on that point because he can

628
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: see everything. And sure enough, you go up there, there's beds,

629
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: and then we just start, you know, trying to open

630
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: up the sunlight to hit that exact spot, and now

631
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 1: you have some strategy because if you've got a food

632
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: plot under yards down that ridge and you get consistent pictures,

633
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: you can start kind of you know, telling um where

634
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: he's coming from or whatever, and you can kind of

635
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: guess that he's on the point. However, I think that

636
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: creating just betting areas in general can be more impactful

637
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: to your hunting strategy than trying to make a quote

638
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: betting a buckbed betting area or whatever. And this is

639
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: kind of why. So we've all come up to like

640
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: a deadfall or a tree in the woods, and you've

641
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: got you know, a quarter acre of of of briers

642
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: and stuff that exploded because there was like one or

643
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: two trees that got blown over a windstorm. And sure

644
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: enough there's beds in that right. Um, So if we

645
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: can start trying to create these pockets that make sense

646
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: for egress um and a hunting set up, Like let's

647
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: say we we can slip in this ravine in the

648
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: rut and we can get up there's a draw that

649
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: goes up to this flat and they're gonna pinch around

650
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: the top of it anyway, and there's a so we

651
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: go up there, we find a tree stand or a tree,

652
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: and we start laying it out around that tree, and

653
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: then we would we would open up that pocket of

654
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: light in front of that tree, but we would make

655
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: sure to do it in a way that there was

656
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: a path of least resistance in all that mess that

657
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: we created between us and the stand about twenty yards

658
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: and we figured it all out, you know, to let's say,

659
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: on a southwest wind. What we're doing is we're creating

660
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: a destination kind of like a kill box. We're creating

661
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: a desk nation in the woods for a buck to

662
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: go to to look for a dough in the rut.

663
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: And that's what happens is if you think like a

664
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: deer and he wants to be on the down wind

665
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: side of that half anchor thicket you made or quarter

666
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: ancor thicket or whatever, he's gonna go to it, and

667
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: in theory, he's gonna be on the down wind side

668
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: of it. And when he does that, he's now going

669
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: to put himself at fifteen yards or twenty yards because

670
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: he's trying to stay in the path of least resistance

671
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: on the down wind side of that. And it just

672
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: so happens that there's a horrible tree there because you

673
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: built it around that and there's a ditch behind it

674
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: that gave you perfect as good of access to get

675
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: to that point as possible. And you create two or

676
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: three or four of those around your farm, Now you've

677
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: got some strategy because those become even more more powerful

678
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: than like a kill plot, because the kill plot, like

679
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: I look at kill plot as a scent concentrator. It's

680
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: a place that by big buck wants to go to

681
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: and pick up sent from a dough. However, it's a

682
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: lot more powerful in the rout when and he could

683
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: be out at any given time of the day. It's

684
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: a lot more powerful when that destination is is in

685
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: the woods and it happens to be a point place

686
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: where the does are at all day long. And you

687
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: could have a big deer get up on his feet

688
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: and go like connect the dots, and he could hit

689
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: every one of those little patches in one walk in

690
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: a matter of ten minutes, and every single one on

691
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: him he'd be boomed down in down when down When

692
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: and when you lay them out around that stand and

693
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: that pinch that's already there, you have strategy, really powerful strategy,

694
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: I think, more powerful than even you know hunting a

695
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: food pat on the rut. Yeah, instead you've got Yeah,

696
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: its a lot of betting area. Yeah, like a kill

697
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: thicket or something thinking thinking like a deer. And it's

698
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: not like a lot of people want to talk about

699
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: that buck betting areas is not. Like so if you

700
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: think about like, Okay, I'm gonna go hunt a buck

701
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: in his betting area. And again there's no right and wrong.

702
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: Different people have different approach is but like you know,

703
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: to me, that's here, miss, you know, it's like I'm

704
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: gonna go back in there, chance blowing him out when

705
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: I get in there, even in the dark. And then

706
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: if he's not there a daylight, you know, maybe you'll come,

707
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: maybe you won't. But if I can get into a

708
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: patch that becomes a destination in the rut when the

709
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: risk reward is worth going back in there and be

710
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 1: like I don't care where he is right now, because

711
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: this is his body, He's gonna come. Yeah. So these

712
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: you know, kill plots. When we're making kill plots, I'm

713
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 1: usually thinking about something small, something that has a specific

714
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: size or designed to it to give me the best

715
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 1: possible shot opportunities. Uh So when it comes to your

716
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: kill betting are your kill thicket, whatever you want to

717
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: call it. How big do you like these to be

718
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: typically give or take? And then what's the design? Do

719
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: you like it long and skinny to try to keep

720
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: them within range? Or how do you try to ideally

721
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: shape and design and even what's the actual act of

722
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: how you create it too? You know it's it might

723
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: be a little looser than like, you know, everyone's a

724
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: little bit different. I guess, um, how do I explain it? Uh?

725
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: I think smaller is better, you know what I mean?

726
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 1: Like if you're thinking like a deer and there's you're

727
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: in these hardwoods and there's one brushy knob over there,

728
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna go check that for a dough because you

729
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: can't really see in it. You know, I almost think

730
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: the smaller is better, But it kind of is relative

731
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: to the type of woods. Draft you have wide open hardwoods,

732
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: you know, and you have a little If you have

733
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: one blowdown on a point and the rest is wide open,

734
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: it's going to be a piece of structure that a

735
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, a buck is going to maybe go to

736
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: to look for a dough against it. And like I did,

737
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of did some logging up there, on Leela Coostys,

738
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: and he was big on that, like this one would lot.

739
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: He just wanted to put some some tops on the

740
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: ground to give them structure, you know too, to bet

741
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: up against. You know. So it's kind of like it

742
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: sounds crazy, but it's almost like fish relating to structure.

743
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: They do the same thing, you know what I mean.

744
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: So I don't think huge is good. I think, well,

745
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 1: I think I think just having them to where they're huntable.

746
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 1: And we could get into that in the food pluts.

747
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: We can take a five acre standing rain plot oversee

748
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: the entire thing with rye and make it honnable with

749
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: woven wire fans or different things like that to create pinches.

750
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: It's kind of the same deal as situational. You just

751
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: want to be able to hunt it. So if you've

752
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: got a wicked pinch point already in those woods or

753
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 1: whatever it is, it can be bigger because you're forcing them,

754
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, through what's already naturally a funnel. If that

755
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: makes sense, Yeah, it does, Uh, Toby, what would you

756
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: add anything on on this before I take it a

757
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: stuff further. Well, it's kind of you know, getting into

758
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: the pinch points and the shapes food pots and all

759
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: that stuff, And it's kind of we say this a

760
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: lot of simm of videos. It's most of the time

761
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: we're just enhancing an area or something that deer is

762
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: already using or a place that they already want to

763
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: be in, you know, and then you're attaching strategy to

764
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: that spot. You're it's not about just installing a food

765
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: pot and looking pretty. It's how that food plot flows,

766
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: how do you get into it without being seen, how

767
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: to get out of it without being seen, and then

768
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: shaping it in a way that the deer You're you're

769
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: actually telling the deer exactly what openings to come in

770
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: and out of and using to breed too, funnel traffic

771
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: and building world wire fences. It's like there's so much

772
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: micro strategy that goes into each betting area or each

773
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: true thought that gets created. Like that's where you know,

774
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: we're kind of taking it to the next level and

775
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: that elite the running experience thing kind of comes in

776
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: and play again. So like, for for an example, I

777
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: was I was out on Greg Ritts this place a

778
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: few weeks ago, and they had a point that they

779
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: had and we're just kind of like putting our minds together.

780
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: We were looking at doing a logging project and they

781
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: had a point that they had done a big hinge

782
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: cut you know, t s I type stuff. And you

783
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: know how a lot of times when you hinge and

784
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: it kind of plays into that whole strategy I was

785
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: talking about, you hinge and you got all those trees

786
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: laying down, like, yeah, they'll go out in it to bed.

787
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: But as far as a buck cruising you know, through it,

788
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: he's definitely gonna be on the down wind side because

789
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 1: it's an entangled you know, master to go walk through.

790
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: So we got to this point, you know that they

791
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: had they had done basically a hinge cut on and

792
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: we basically kind of put our heads together and came

793
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 1: up with this concept. There was a perfect gift from

794
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: above of a white oak that was on the it

795
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: was on the down wind side with the north wind

796
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: um and it had it had really good access to

797
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: it in the morning, and uh, it was just a

798
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: simple like, hey, why don't you guys take some chainsaws

799
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: and and go through here fifteen yards twenty yards in

800
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: front of the stand and just just chunk these things

801
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: up just enough to get your skids to your grapple

802
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: go down there and pick it up back out. So

803
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: in other words, you were left with this clean lane

804
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: right in front of your your stand, you know, right

805
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 1: through that massive hinge cut that was about an acre big,

806
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: but still on the down wind side. And now and

807
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: then put a hamproke right right in front of you,

808
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: because there's gonna be a massive concentration ascent on that

809
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: that kind of roadway, if you will, that you're building

810
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: through your your hange cut and then that, like he

811
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: just talked about in the micro strategy, and we talked

812
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: about everything in mac of strategy and micro strategy, that's

813
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: your last layer. So like I talked about it like

814
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: it's like your overall strategy is kind of like like

815
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: a game of Jinga, right, and every every block is

816
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: like a layer of strategy. Right, and sure enough, it's

817
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: the last stupid thing you didn't do that ends up.

818
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: We've all done it. You know. It's like you know,

819
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: you forget to it's just the one stupid thing that

820
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: you don't have an extra release in your pack. It's

821
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: something like that. It's that one last layer of strategy

822
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: that can make or break you. And so you know,

823
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: by putting the emperor on that road, whereas a place

824
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: they're gonna watch scrape anyway because there's a concentration ascent

825
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: which get into in a little bit. But it just

826
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: ups the odds that he stops right there, you know

827
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: what I mean, and gives you a broadside shot. So

828
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: that was kind of that's kind of an example of

829
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: one of those you know, it's you're taking something that's

830
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: you know, T S I, and you you're you're connecting

831
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,959
Speaker 1: the strategy with the habitat work. If that makes sense. Yeah,

832
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: it makes makes a lot of sense. And nothing works

833
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 1: without strategy. It's like not in the food pots where

834
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: you go down that hole here in a minute. But

835
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 1: it's all about strategy. Food plots are I mean, I'll

836
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: plant whatever you want to plant. It's strategy. It's how

837
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: you it's probably starting with the most important part is

838
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: egress and then ingress and then you know, shape, creating

839
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: a pinch point, creating a transition between two different types

840
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: of food sources in order to up probability of concentrating

841
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: those which a probability of concentrating set which of the

842
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: probability of whether there's deering the field or not. That

843
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: he comes to bill range, you know, there's just so

844
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: many like layers that you start compounding and just shooting

845
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: probability through the roof. Because when we see a big deer,

846
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: we're already like they're so low that they just walk

847
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: so few days and daylight, we need to stack odds

848
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: tour when we see them, we can shoot them. We

849
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: don't just see them. Yeah, Yeah, it's the This is

850
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: the fun stuff in my mind, is going deep into

851
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: that strategy. Um. A couple more things on the on

852
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: the betting improvements here because I'm geek. I'm really enjoying

853
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: this part. This is interesting taking taking that same detailed

854
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: approach that that folks are doing the food side and

855
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: applying it to your betting areas and making them. You know,

856
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: these these very huntable in the timber betting locations. Uh.

857
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: Question about you know, you've got these small kind of

858
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: micro betting areas that become more huntable because of that size,

859
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: and you mentioned having these throughout your property. Can you

860
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: have too many? Is there is there the risk of

861
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: them losing their effectiveness if you have so many of

862
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: these that it becomes less predictable, or you know, can

863
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: you have them too close together? Or is there any

864
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: other the thing like that that you're thinking about when

865
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: designing these kinds of improvements, as far as how many

866
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: of them are connecting them anything like that, and back

867
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: to the one size fits on. I don't want people thinking,

868
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: like every farm that we just do this exact thing

869
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: on it. It's not like that. Some don't lean themselves

870
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: towards it. Some do. I would say the answer to

871
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: that question is I I don't think you could have

872
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: too many as long as they stay horrible and accessible,

873
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 1: and the concept of of a pinch in a horrible

874
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: tree being on the downwind side of that thicket. I

875
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna find enough spots that warrant that

876
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: risk reward and that set up. I don't think you're

877
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 1: gonna find enough spots in order to make too many

878
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: of them, if that makes sense. Pinches. You mentioned pinches

879
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 1: there again. I feel like that's something you guys really

880
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: really key in and across many parts of your properties.

881
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: In the timber, in the food plots that he has,

882
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: are always creating pinches or finding pinches and enhancing them.

883
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: Can you elaborate a little bit on these In the

884
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: timber pinches that you are either trying to take advantage

885
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,479
Speaker 1: of already or creating you know inside or down into

886
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: these betting years. How do you guys do that? What

887
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: are you looking for? I don't want to steal the mic,

888
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: but I'll probably take this one too because I I

889
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: run the logging division and so we do a lot

890
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: of this. That that cool, Toby, Yeah, go ahead? So

891
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: um oh man, this is this is a good one.

892
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: We kind of have become known for the walls. We

893
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: talked about the wall and you've probably heard us talking

894
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: about them and in our you know, so you know

895
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: a lot of the big walls you see, that's during

896
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: an excavation project like more actually clearing. Cooper will use

897
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: the debris to create these pinches and these walls that

898
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: also serve as access and they end up growing up

899
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: just you can't even see them after a year or so.

900
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: They just look like a berm with stuff shooting out

901
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: of them. Um. Then and a lot of times when

902
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: I go in along and probably that they're wanting us

903
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: to build walls all over the place, but they don't

904
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: realize that that's more excavation. What we can do during

905
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: the logging project is you know, I'll give you a

906
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: good example. We're logging for a guy right now, um

907
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: up in Fultall County, and we're kind of doing some

908
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,959
Speaker 1: of this around a specific deer um. But he had

909
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: this kind of bowl, big ball of big mature hardwoods,

910
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: had a point that kind of came out facing southerly.

911
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 1: It's on a bluff. It's like the most obvious spot

912
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: in the world through deer to just be loaded up,

913
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: bedded all over in this bowl. And so and where

914
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: the left side of that tongue, the left gut of

915
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: that tongue went up to the top of the hill,

916
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: came up to a flat and then you had about

917
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: fifty yards to the neighbors there's a crop field. And

918
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, we cut this bowl and we create

919
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: a pinch right here. This deer is going to put

920
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: all this cover, all this new you know where these

921
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: those are be loaded up. He's gonna put all this

922
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: on the down wind side. Um, And there's already somewhat

923
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: of a funnel up here. But we can we can

924
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 1: directional fall all these tops in here into this ravine

925
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: and we can kind of we can create a wall

926
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: of these tree tops going up the hill to the

927
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: top and then stop it lay it all out around

928
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: this hackberry and then there's enough like dead falls up

929
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: there where we scoop them up with the skids here

930
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: and the skinner and we'll make another wall from that

931
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: hackberry back to the field. So we created basically, you know,

932
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: twenty five yard gap on the down wind side of

933
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: essentially like a I would say, probably a ten acre

934
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: area that could hold beds, but we made a wicked

935
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: huntable because that wall where ended at the top of

936
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 1: the hill where started going down with all those tops

937
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: in it. I mean that wall is probably a hundred

938
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: yards long going down through there. So now like when

939
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: he wants to put all that on this down you know,

940
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: when he wants to be up end of all that

941
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: stuff and and he's gonna take the path of lease resistance.

942
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: Were four were seeing him through a gap, you know,

943
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: and we're up high where our wind this is consistent,

944
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: you know. Um, So that's kind of how we use

945
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: a logging project to build pinches in the woods. Like

946
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: you can either directional follows trees, or we can pull

947
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: the tops a little bit with the skinters, but only

948
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: so far because it's picturing like big giant wrecking balls.

949
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,959
Speaker 1: Like we can we can take a fifty yard gap

950
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: and turn it into a thirty yard gap pretty easily

951
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 1: during the logging project. Um, we also can use Wolven

952
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 1: wire fence. There's different you can implement the same strategy

953
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 1: so many ways. Like un Rising, he's in the logging

954
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: industry too, and he's a he'll he'll drop, you know,

955
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: kind of the same type of species trees that you

956
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: would girdle or inch out. Anyway, he'll drop some of

957
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: there more mature trees in order to create those same

958
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: types of pinches. So there's a lot of ways of

959
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: going about it. But anyway you you use to pinch deer,

960
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: you're exponentially up in your odds. I think about it.

961
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: You hunt the whole rout and your target are you

962
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: see him what two or three times? Well, how what

963
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: does your probability look like when you've taken a spot

964
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: where it's a hundred yard area he could come through,

965
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,959
Speaker 1: and you've cut it down to a dirty yard area,

966
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: like your your odds you go through the roof? Yeah,

967
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: now what about the opposite. So you kind of alluded

968
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: to this already in one of the earlier examples, but

969
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: so you just you just talked about like building blockades, walls,

970
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: different things that pinch them, you know, into a place

971
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: you want them. It sounds like sometimes though, the opposite

972
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: can be effective to which is opening up a place

973
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 1: for them to go through and that's all already blocked.

974
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: Is that something that you're you know doing as well? Yep,

975
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: like that And that's why that's where we talk about.

976
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: Every situation is different. Like sometimes we're taking away like

977
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 1: like we have a video coming out pretty soon here

978
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: that me, Mark Luster and Ben Rising all that to

979
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 1: console and we wanted to do it for fun because

980
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: it's like they'll listen to everybody's kind of thought process

981
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: behind the same spot and then you you end up

982
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: at a you know, a bigger, a more powerful, you

983
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: know plan for that spot than you could have with

984
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: just one mind. Well there we kind of like jam

985
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 1: session on this one spot. I said what I do

986
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: and then Ben turned around he did something completely opposite,

987
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: and then we kind of hashed it out and Mark

988
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: was like agreeing with both of us. Well, at the

989
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: end of the day, we implemented both both strategies, both

990
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: both things benj was kind of idea was more set

991
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: up for a specific window of the deer season. The

992
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: specific mindset, and then I was like, well, yeah, that's awesome.

993
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: Why don't we take the multing head go straight down

994
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: this creek bottom that's super thick that way, and straight

995
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: down it this way, and marks like, yeah, let's put

996
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: a over the wire fence from that tree back to

997
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: the creek. And then, like you just said, we're creating

998
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 1: a path of least resistance through this thick stuff, helping

999
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: our odds that they step out where we wanted to

1000
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 1: step out. So you can reverse engineer at a lot

1001
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: of times. Um, you know by taking away it's just

1002
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: the canvas that you're dealt. Yeah, it's touching all that

1003
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: path of least resistance. You know, we talked about the

1004
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 1: benefits of the logging project and stuff here several times.

1005
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: Another big benefit is, you know, the road system that

1006
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: you create during the logging project. You know that's not

1007
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: always in the common sense places that they would do

1008
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: during a normal logging project. That's part of the strategy

1009
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 1: as well. You're gonna go in there and make roads

1010
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: anyway to get to timber out. So you you placed

1011
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: these roads in the best spots for UH access, and

1012
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: then you also use them to program the deer on

1013
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: how they're going to move through that property, and how

1014
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: they're going to check each betting area, and how they're

1015
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: going to enter and exit each true thought. So you know,

1016
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: the clearing areas is kind of the same things putting

1017
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: these roadways in, you know, making creek crossings. You know,

1018
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: you've got a lot of these properties have steep creek banks,

1019
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: and you know, these dear they like to they like

1020
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: to use the easier spots, so you can use the

1021
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: logging project and the escalmating project to put to nice

1022
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: gradual crossings into the deer end up pounding. So it's

1023
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: like you know, your your programming, you know. And not

1024
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: only will the bucks that are already there and big

1025
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: start using them, because the dose will be using them.

1026
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: And again concentration is set when the does start using

1027
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: these roads as their main travel corridors. The bucks are

1028
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: going to start using the roads because the does are there.

1029
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: And we've got several video clips of you know, ten

1030
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: twelve does in a row, single file right down the

1031
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 1: logging road and then here's the buck right behind them.

1032
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: I mean, they're like us when they generally when they

1033
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: move through a piece of property, you know, they like

1034
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: to take the easiest path to get where they're going,

1035
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: whether it's better and feeding him. You know, on my

1036
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: personal farms, we've done several of those two. It's like

1037
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: the most beneficial thing that I think is the road systems,

1038
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: like that's that's my personal opinion is is you could

1039
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: eventually shoot every book on farm out of the right

1040
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: road intersections in the right placement property. Another when it

1041
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: comes to mind is a Montgomery piece. I mean that

1042
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: was that was an awesome example of what the roads

1043
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: can do on a big piece of ground. Yeah. Yeah,

1044
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: And sometimes, like you said, sometimes those road it's all

1045
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 1: it's all strategy. You know. Sometimes that road instead of

1046
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: going down the center of a ridge like it would

1047
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: be you know in the traditional longing project, it might

1048
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: be on the side hill in order to have good

1049
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: ingress egress to something where you don't want to beer

1050
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: on the next ridge overseen, And a lot of times,

1051
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: you know, we might have to use the upper that

1052
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 1: original skater trail up top just because it's dryer and stuff.

1053
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: But if it's part of the plan and it makes

1054
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: it better, and that's what we're trying to accomplish through

1055
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: the logging project. Before we leave, we will cut that road,

1056
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: you know, on the lower side. But when you have

1057
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 1: the when you've got the timber project there, it gets

1058
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: all the equipment there and you can start doing you know,

1059
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: you can start implementing um. You know, a lot of

1060
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: the hunting strategy. I always say, like the logging project

1061
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,959
Speaker 1: is like the It's like it's like you're building the house.

1062
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: You know, the plan. You gotta have a plan first.

1063
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: That'd be you know, studying up, kind of coming up

1064
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: with your plan. You doing console whatever you gotta do.

1065
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: You gotta have the plan. It's like trying to build

1066
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: a masterpiece house without a blueprint. And then uh, and

1067
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: then the foundational part of it would be, you know,

1068
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: the logging project uh or excavation project or whatever. The

1069
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: nice thing about the logging project is it funds the project,

1070
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: you know. So um, but that that's where you're kind

1071
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: of roughing in trying to get these deer to bed

1072
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: in these certain spots. We can open up plots in

1073
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: these certain spots, and we can put these roads in

1074
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: certain spots. Sometimes those roads will have them come off,

1075
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: you know, We'll just put a creek crossing in a

1076
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: certain spot relative to a certain stand, you know, so

1077
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: that we have that path of least resistance in the

1078
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: rut right in front of a stand. So again it

1079
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: kind of comes back to there's no there's no rigid

1080
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: uh uh you know, set of guidelines. But like the

1081
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: logging project is just a tool to be able to

1082
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: to be able to implement a lot of these concepts

1083
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: and strategies, you know, Like on that we did a

1084
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: full who county, big Bolton County farm for what we

1085
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: did for Steve, and we had a big, fairly open

1086
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: block of timber, and the most noticeable terrain feature and

1087
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: kind of what really funneled most of the deer traffic

1088
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: was a huge ravine that went straight down the middle

1089
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: of that block of timber. So all you're doing the

1090
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: select cutting there, we put a huge giant Colbert pipe

1091
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: in the middle of that ravine, in the middle of

1092
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: that woodlock and made a big flat crossing, and then

1093
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: we connected all the roads from the timber project like

1094
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: a spiderweb down there to this one crossing and created

1095
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: just super pinch point in the middle of what was

1096
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: a super wide open piece of woods, just like putt

1097
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: the Colbert pipe in there and doing a little estabatingum

1098
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: and and it was a crazy good spot. Yeah, I

1099
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: think I remember seeing that, so so my one. I

1100
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: don't know if it's a question, if it's like a worry,

1101
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: but I wonder for for people that don't have a

1102
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: logging project or don't have the valuable timber to make

1103
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: this a cost effective thing, and they're thinking, Man, I'd

1104
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: love to make big roads. I'd love to create these

1105
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: better crossings and different things, but I just don't have

1106
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: the way to either hire someone to come and do

1107
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: this stuff, and I don't have the timber to fund it. Um,

1108
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: is there like a budget version of this? Is it?

1109
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: Can you do some version of this by renting a

1110
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: skid steer for a day or two and making some

1111
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: miniature trails and crossings and things like that? Like, is

1112
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: there some kind of you know, junior way to achieve

1113
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: some of these things in your mind? Toby, Sure, Yeah.

1114
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: I mean there's all kinds of tools at your fingertips,

1115
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: whether running equipment or you know, having somebody help you

1116
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: with the planned part of it and then implementing it

1117
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: yourself over time. You know, you don't need to jump

1118
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: in there and do it all at one shot. And

1119
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: then that way you can kind of stretch the costs

1120
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: and the effort out over a couple of years. Um. Yes,

1121
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: to answer your question, yes, there there's a way to

1122
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: do it. Um. And that's where it goes back to

1123
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: not every property needs a huge excavator or needs a

1124
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: bulldozer and needs a logging and skinners or something. It's

1125
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, every piece of ground is it's its own animal.

1126
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: And to expounds found upon that, Like back what I

1127
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: first said, a good plan and a good strategy may

1128
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: not need a whole lot like those those creating those

1129
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: destination like dough betting type areas I was talking about.

1130
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: You can do that just by going out and and

1131
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: and you know, girdling and and hinge cutting trees and

1132
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: putting trees on the ground in little areas. I mean,

1133
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 1: so it doesn't it doesn't require this big, massive, you know, orchestration.

1134
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: But another thing about that is like, and that's kind

1135
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: of part of the value we're providing. We're out here

1136
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: in the game. We're buying, you know, we're buying. We

1137
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: have to buy the farm, right, but we have a

1138
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: list of people that are having to help them find farms,

1139
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: and a lot of times once we find a farm,

1140
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: getting under contract you know, we'll already have somebody that's

1141
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: been waiting on that exact fall arm. Then we will

1142
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: actually implement that project and we will involve them. So

1143
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: like if let's say they're nonresident in Iowa and they

1144
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: want to developer for late season, well, actually as part

1145
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 1: of the deal, will we will do all of that

1146
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: stuff you're talking about. So, you know, at first it

1147
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: might sound like, well this is far fetched, we're not really,

1148
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: you know, the average guy can't do this. Well, we're

1149
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: actually you know, we sell farms to school teachers, all

1150
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: kinds of different people we've dealt with, and we're actually

1151
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: doing a lot of this on the front end with

1152
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: alongside of them, you know, to help them get and

1153
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: create a farm like this, because some people don't have

1154
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: the know how, but some people don't have you know,

1155
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: the machinery some people, you know, everybody is a little

1156
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: bit different, but we kind of work together as as

1157
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: a team too. Like that farm he was just talking about, Steve,

1158
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: you know, we built that whole thing for him, you know,

1159
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: and he paid market value for that farm. Yeah. Yeah,

1160
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: you guys have got to figured out because not only

1161
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,959
Speaker 1: do you get to you know, be on the side

1162
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: of of buying, selling these places. But you get to

1163
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: do the fun stuff on a lot of and too,

1164
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: the actual work and the improving And I mean that's

1165
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: that's at least for me, that's the real joy of

1166
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: the stuff is the projects and seeing it all come together. Um,

1167
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: so that's pretty good. Back to the consulting stuff. That's

1168
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: been really fun for me lately because you know, at

1169
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: night I'll get on one an hour long watching like

1170
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: helping these people, Like I I keep telling them, like

1171
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: a lot of them have a big deer. You know,

1172
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: we're kind of we're developing it, but we're kind of

1173
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: developing some things around a big deer. We're like call

1174
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: Centrail camps will help you, you know, we'll put our

1175
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: mind together and figure out to kill this deer. And

1176
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: like I tell him, I'm I'm literally like hunting vicariously

1177
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: through you now, like because we're on so much ground now,

1178
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: it's just odds and probability. We're seeing, you know, this

1179
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: guy's got this big special deer, and this guy's got

1180
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: the big special deer, and me, Bobby Kendall, I can

1181
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: only find it's hard to find them, you know what

1182
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: I mean. So so it's like we're hunting vicariously through

1183
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: these guys, and it's just so much fun to watch

1184
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: watch them, you know, be successful and help him, help

1185
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: him be successful. That that guy who just talking about Steve,

1186
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: We did a video around the whole project and then

1187
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: and then we put the video out and then he's like, oh,

1188
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: by the way, I didn't know if I sent you this,

1189
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: and he sent his picture he shot like a hundred

1190
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: and eighties something each deer or like should have said

1191
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: that before we edited the video. Um, yeah, fun. And

1192
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: then we had a guy this year, Toby over there

1193
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: in Fulton County said and he was pretty new hunter,

1194
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: right Toby, He said, Toby of a two deer like

1195
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: getting them pictures of him, like every day he's gonna

1196
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: know what to do. He's like, just get in the box.

1197
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: And that was another example. Think of a general. There

1198
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: was the same same kind of a deal. You know,

1199
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 1: we bought that farm and just had barely started the

1200
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: development and then as well as we had the first

1201
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: couple of phases of video out. You know, this guy

1202
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: kinda was looking for a real high quality farm in

1203
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 1: that area and he bought that farm, you know, off

1204
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: of us before that project was done and kind of

1205
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 1: jumped in on the back side of it. And then

1206
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: the first time he goes up there and hunts and

1207
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: he's got this gigantic deer running around and he's texting

1208
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: us back and forth. What do I do? Where do

1209
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: I sit? You know, there's where I got his pictures,

1210
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: And you know, then it's just just super exciting just

1211
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: to watch and to hear somebody's enthusiasm about, you know,

1212
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 1: the farm that they bought and helped develop, and it's

1213
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's very exciting, rewarding kind of thing. Yeah, yeah,

1214
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: bet so speaking of you know, telling that guy, hey,

1215
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: jump in the box. Um, let's let's shift from the

1216
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: timber out towards our food sources. Uh. You know, from

1217
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: seeing the guys, the things you guys have done and

1218
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: what you've talked about is you designed these different properties.

1219
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: I know there's like everything their strategy behind how you

1220
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 1: place your plots and how you design your plots to

1221
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,959
Speaker 1: to achieve eve the kind of movement you guys want

1222
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: tlby Can you start maybe by walking me through some

1223
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 1: of the things you're thinking about when deciding how to

1224
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 1: place your plots on a property and how you design

1225
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: them um, what does that planning process look like specifically

1226
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: on the food plot side, the food side of this equation. Well,

1227
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: if it goes right back to pressure again, you know,

1228
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: how can you hunt these spots consistently and not blow

1229
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: gear out of there every time you're you're coming and going.

1230
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 1: So and this was kind of on a console that

1231
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: me and uh, Bobby and Mark did yesterday. We were

1232
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 1: talking about something just like this, and you know, I

1233
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 1: refer back to a big acre piece that and I

1234
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 1: have personally, and I told Mark, I said, you know,

1235
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta farm that's almost five acres here

1236
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: in Adams County, Illinois. I said, We've got it so

1237
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 1: fine tuned and so set up the strategy so right

1238
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: on it that we hunted out of three food plots

1239
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 1: with three box lines five acres. That's it, you know.

1240
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: And it's that's all about having that that premium spot

1241
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: with a set tight box line and the right way

1242
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: to get in and out of. They were out spooking everything,

1243
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: and you just watch your cameras and you keep the

1244
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: pressure low, and we will kill our target deer on

1245
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 1: that farm out of one of those three box lines,

1246
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: like clockwork every year and never have to step foot

1247
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: in the woods. Can you can you walk me through

1248
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: an example of one of those setups, like just in

1249
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 1: detail kind of how you actually achieve what you just described.

1250
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,959
Speaker 1: So we got one food pot called the South pot,

1251
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 1: and um, we've got a certain area that you're able

1252
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: to park a vehicle in a low spot, stay out

1253
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 1: of sight. There's a certain role in the field for

1254
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: access that you can get in. There's a little waterway

1255
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: to get on the other side. So you've made it

1256
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: all the way to the box, but you've parked your vehicle.

1257
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 1: You get ready, You've walked all the way to the

1258
01:07:57,720 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: back side of the box without any detection at all.

1259
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: So that step one. You're in there. And then when

1260
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 1: you have a fieldful of deer and you didn't shoot

1261
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: something and you need to get back to your truck,

1262
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 1: you repeat that process. So you've solved the in and

1263
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: the out without blowing the place up every time you're

1264
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 1: in there. So that's step one. Then you have the plot.

1265
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: I always like to do grain to green because then

1266
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: you have something in its prime for every phase of

1267
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,719
Speaker 1: the season. So we have to do them big because

1268
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:26,600
Speaker 1: we only have three plots on that big of a

1269
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: piece of ground with that kind of deer density. You

1270
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 1: have to take that into consideration as well, because you

1271
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: can't go through all that effort and all that time

1272
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: and then end up in your prime hunting season and

1273
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 1: you have no tonnage of food left. So that has

1274
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 1: to be something you assess to is your deer numbers

1275
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: and and is there going to be anything left when

1276
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: you want to be there hunting it. So we've got

1277
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 1: two or three acres of standing your grain, and then

1278
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: we've got to plot shaped in such a way that

1279
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: the green that's on the other side of it comes

1280
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 1: together at the pinch point right where the grain, because

1281
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: these deer when they come out, they'll bounce back and

1282
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 1: forth from green the green usually, and you kind of

1283
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 1: want your your highest probability spot to be in that

1284
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: narrow point of the food plot on the transition from

1285
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 1: grain to green. And like Bobby talked about before, you know,

1286
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 1: if that's that field shape happens to put that at

1287
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 1: sixty or seventy yards, you could actually take fence or

1288
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: tops or some kind of a structure, hay bales. You

1289
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:23,679
Speaker 1: could stack hay bales and pinch that sixty acre spot

1290
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,560
Speaker 1: down the thirty and then on top of that, in

1291
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: that thirty thirty yard gap, you could put a tree

1292
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,719
Speaker 1: coil over the hemp rope and in a licking branch.

1293
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 1: Now you've hands it even more. And then you know

1294
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: Bobby's big advocate of this too. He'll actually go around

1295
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 1: the perimeter of that food plot and cut off all

1296
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 1: of the low hanging scrape branches licking branches, so that

1297
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 1: they become dependent on those one or two tree kois

1298
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 1: that you've got out in the food plot, which are

1299
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: all in bow range of your hunting position. And I

1300
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 1: must again, in my opinion, is a set type box line.

1301
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 1: You sit there with the windows shut until it is

1302
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: time to open it and shoot whatever it is you're

1303
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: trying to kill, because that you know, you you create

1304
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 1: these spots and these primal food plots, and you've taked

1305
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 1: attention to every detail, and you know what's going to

1306
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 1: happen in those type plots is you're gonna have thirty

1307
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 1: or fourty or fifty deer out in that kind of

1308
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 1: a place before your target animal walks out. So when

1309
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: you're trying to do that in a situation where you're

1310
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 1: sitting in a tree stand and the wind's gonna swirl

1311
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: those thermal start to cool and it starts to do

1312
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 1: some goofy stuff. You're not getting away with that most

1313
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: of the time. So that box blind, that set type

1314
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: box blind becomes a very important tool in that kind

1315
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,879
Speaker 1: of a hunting situation where you're going to have massive

1316
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 1: amounts of deer coming to your location. So you've solved

1317
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: the getting smelled part. You've paid attention to the shape

1318
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 1: of that food plot. You've got grain for late season,

1319
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 1: you've got green for early season, and you've got to

1320
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 1: correct way to get in out of there without boiling

1321
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: it up every time. And then you just repeat that

1322
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: in the different zones of your farm um as the

1323
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 1: opportunity allows for, you know, and working with your farm

1324
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 1: was pretty key too. You've gotta have the ability to

1325
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 1: buy back those crops or plant them on your own,

1326
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 1: because you know, you've got to have both types of

1327
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 1: food and those kind of hunting situations. When it comes

1328
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,560
Speaker 1: to the grains and the greens, Toby, do you have

1329
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 1: do you have a preference? Do you prefer you know,

1330
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 1: do you prefer beans over corn? Does it shift based

1331
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: on specifics as far as the greens? What are the

1332
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 1: greens you like to plant. Um, can you give me

1333
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: some more detail of what you found to work the

1334
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 1: very best for you at least, Well, I'm that kind

1335
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 1: of a plot, you know, we like to have clover,

1336
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: fairly big green plot with the clover mix in it.

1337
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 1: And then in a situation where you've got standing beans

1338
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 1: in one year, you know, when those leaves start to

1339
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: turn yellow in the beans, you know most of us

1340
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 1: will will go there and sling rye and turn ups

1341
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 1: to radish out in the standing beans. And usually you'll

1342
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: at least have the tonnage of the leafs coming up,

1343
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 1: even if they don't put on a bulb. So now

1344
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 1: you've got standing beans underneath your standing beans, you've got

1345
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 1: rye and turn ups coming up. And then next door

1346
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 1: you've got lush clover, so you're just giving them. You're

1347
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 1: throwing a smartest board at them. And you can even

1348
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 1: do that overseating into standing corn plots as well. And

1349
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 1: then you know, so when you got standing corn and

1350
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 1: you start to mow that corn, you obviously start mowing

1351
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 1: it from your pinch points, so that the first mo

1352
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 1: everything's in bow range, the second mow everything's in bow range.

1353
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: You know, by the end you're getting in November and

1354
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: you're starting to stretch it out there a little bit.

1355
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 1: You're coming into your first gun season. You gott a

1356
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 1: hundred fifty yards you can shoot like. You're paying attention

1357
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 1: to the times a year you want to hunt and

1358
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 1: what you're using to hunt during those times of years,

1359
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 1: and you're just adjusting your plot as the season goes on.

1360
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: And the beauty of the box, Lindes is it. You've

1361
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: a situation we're really high to your numbers and they

1362
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: are just pounding stuff. You may have to scoop that

1363
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 1: box line up and move it a little bit to

1364
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: keep up with you know how hard they're hitting your foods.

1365
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: You're always in the hot zone of the plot. M Yeah,

1366
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Uh, One fall up real quick to

1367
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 1: be on the design of this. You mentioned, you know,

1368
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: trying to have some kind of pinch within it, so

1369
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 1: you could have you know, a sixty yard wide gap

1370
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 1: that maybe you pinch down further with you know, some

1371
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 1: additional treetops, hay bales, whatever. But have you found now?

1372
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 1: I know every property is going to give you something

1373
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 1: slightly different to work with as far as the space

1374
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 1: and everything, but all things being equal, is there any

1375
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: kind of specific designer shape that you prefer when trying

1376
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: to create a setup like this. Do you prefer long

1377
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 1: and skinny, or like a boomerang that gives you that

1378
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: full crumb that you use a pinch or anything else

1379
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 1: like or hour glass? Um, is there anything you found

1380
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 1: to be your favorite designer shape or something for a

1381
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 1: starting point where you want you want to you want

1382
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 1: to try to not make it so big or shape

1383
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 1: that you there's parts of it you can't hunt. You know,

1384
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 1: you're you're doing it to be able to to shoot

1385
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 1: the deer off of that place. So when you design them,

1386
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 1: you want to try to keep it in mind that

1387
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: you know, if I'm going to hunt here, you know,

1388
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:21,600
Speaker 1: if it's here in Illinois and you can help the

1389
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: shop gun muzzleloader. You know, if I'm hunting this plot

1390
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: late season, I really want to make sure that anything

1391
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 1: that steps in this plot I can shoot, so a

1392
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty to two d yards at the furthest

1393
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 1: you know, if you're primarily a bow hunter, you want

1394
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: to kind of squeeze that stuff down even a little

1395
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 1: bit further, you know, And that's kind of we're moving

1396
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: the box comes into if your primary a bow hunter,

1397
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:45,560
Speaker 1: and you know, the deer when they come out of

1398
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 1: the woods, if they're coming from a certain way, they're

1399
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 1: generally gonna start at that end of the plot and

1400
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 1: start eating their way out to the center. So you

1401
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 1: can adjust your box line to always stay up in

1402
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 1: the part of the grain that you still have tonnage

1403
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: left in, you know. So it is kind of different

1404
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 1: because you're going to have to work with what kind

1405
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 1: of space that you've been given, if it's on a

1406
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 1: NAGG area or the CRP area that you only allowed

1407
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 1: a certain amount of acreage to use. But you know,

1408
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 1: I like to make sure that everything revolves around I'm

1409
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 1: not doing this. I'm gonna do all this work just

1410
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: to sit there and watch dear that I don't have

1411
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 1: an opportunity yet. So shape and distance has to come

1412
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: into play, because you know, you want to up your

1413
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: odds to having a shot opportunity at that deer when

1414
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:33,680
Speaker 1: he comes out. So if you're making them too long

1415
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 1: and skinny or too big, it's just going to be

1416
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 1: a wildlife viewing session. Sometimes when you're in there, you

1417
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 1: really don't want to do that. Bobby, what's your take

1418
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 1: on all this um as far as I should have

1419
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: been right now then right now, rovol They wanted to

1420
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 1: go down what's been bursting out of the scenes for it.

1421
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 1: You really want to say, well, he pretty much hit

1422
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: on all of it. So I might go down a

1423
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:09,679
Speaker 1: couple of little rabbit holes here and there. The first

1424
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,640
Speaker 1: thing I would say is for guys are listening, They're like, well,

1425
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 1: this is like kind of out of reality for me,

1426
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,639
Speaker 1: because I can't do this. We got a video. It's

1427
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:19,560
Speaker 1: called face. I think he says, taste face with the

1428
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 1: monster is a big deer. I hunted last year on

1429
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: permission piece, and I just simply went to the farmer.

1430
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 1: I negotiated by an acre corn. I mowed the corn.

1431
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: I mowed it in a specific shape. I took all

1432
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 1: my leftover food plot seed and put it on there

1433
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:37,639
Speaker 1: like the smartest board, all my you know, um cereal

1434
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 1: grains in my in my Braskas, just threw it all

1435
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: out there, greened up a little bit. I ran through

1436
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 1: that corn each direction to where I thought he was

1437
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 1: coming from, to where he popped out where I wanted

1438
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 1: him to come out. Like. So I implemented some of

1439
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 1: these strategies on a piece that was permission. Then I

1440
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 1: negotiated something with the farmer. So there are ways of

1441
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,680
Speaker 1: doing some of this stuff even if you can't do it.

1442
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 1: I actually love working with farmers because there's so much easier,

1443
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: Like the bigger this has gotten that try and works

1444
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: warder in the heart. Um. So that's one thing I

1445
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 1: would say. Another thing really quick before you go any further,

1446
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 1: I gotta ask one question on that topic working with farmers.

1447
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 1: Do you have any any advice for people trying to

1448
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 1: do that, because that's something I've considered, but I have

1449
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 1: never done it, and I don't know the right way

1450
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 1: to approach it, how to the right way to offer

1451
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 1: to pay for it, How to you know, how do

1452
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 1: you do that the right way? Bobby, Yes, sir. So ironically,

1453
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 1: we actually have a leasing program now on our our

1454
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 1: our platform, on our on our page that we partnered

1455
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 1: over the company that offers like um we can basically

1456
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:51,600
Speaker 1: help people put their tillable out to least to a

1457
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 1: farmer in an auction style format and it gets you know, uh,

1458
01:17:56,320 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 1: it's just awesome. It jacts your your cash rent a up.

1459
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 1: But the thing is we helped the person negotiate their

1460
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 1: farming contract to where it gets all the bells and

1461
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:10,679
Speaker 1: whistles that they that helped them as a farm manager

1462
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 1: hunting farm manager, you know, uh, do as little work

1463
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 1: as as possible and put more of it on the farmer.

1464
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of different things in in the

1465
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:24,639
Speaker 1: that least that we use and stuff. There's little things

1466
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 1: you've never think of. But as far as buying back crop,

1467
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 1: you don't want to really get into doing it the

1468
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 1: way that I did it in that example I was

1469
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 1: talking about where you're you're paying after the fact when

1470
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 1: it's your field. You essentially want to do a cash

1471
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 1: for rent. Breaker have the right to buy that two

1472
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 1: acres of crop. They'd be credited their cash rent on

1473
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 1: that two acres and all you will pay is their

1474
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,600
Speaker 1: input costs. You have the leverage to negotiate that on

1475
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 1: the front end. However, if you haven't negotiated it, you're

1476
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 1: sitting there paying uh, you know, six an acre right

1477
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 1: now for corn instead of you know. So there's ways

1478
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 1: about that, and that's something that we can help people

1479
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:09,560
Speaker 1: do and we can we can hook them up with

1480
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:11,720
Speaker 1: our contracts and stuff. There's a lot of other little

1481
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 1: things like you know, farmer doesn't have the right to

1482
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:18,680
Speaker 1: chisel plow the field without written permission um until the

1483
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 1: end of deer season. But you know sometimes in your

1484
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 1: strategy you might you might want them to chisel, plow,

1485
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 1: to take plates off the table. So there's like that

1486
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 1: is a that is a huge There's so many different things,

1487
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:36,519
Speaker 1: um uh to talk about. Now? What about what about

1488
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 1: just what I thought if you just lease the property

1489
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 1: so you don't own the property, you least ground from

1490
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 1: a farmer and you're thinking, man, I wish this farmer

1491
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 1: would leave an acre in the back here, uh, which

1492
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 1: sounds maybe kind of like what your permission situation was

1493
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 1: last year. So you know, you just you just want

1494
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 1: to be friendly. You want to Most of them, you know,

1495
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:58,600
Speaker 1: don't understand how crazy we are about deer, so you

1496
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: can kind of you know, I try to make it

1497
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:02,680
Speaker 1: light and poke fun at you know, I know this

1498
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 1: seems crazy. I know the deer seems crazy to you.

1499
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 1: But this would be just like changed you know, my

1500
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 1: my season and uh uh. Some tips I would give

1501
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: people is I would say, you know, I don't want

1502
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 1: you to be out any money. I want you to

1503
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 1: be whole. I want you to make just as much

1504
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 1: as you would if it's corn you're leaving, offer to

1505
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 1: mow that corn after deer season because they don't want

1506
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 1: to deal with those stalks out there. Um, if you

1507
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 1: want to oversee over say, would you mind if I

1508
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 1: overseedd some turn ups? You know, don't go down to

1509
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:36,639
Speaker 1: If you do want to oversee rye or something, tell

1510
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:38,560
Speaker 1: them that you will go in and spray in the

1511
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:40,600
Speaker 1: spring because it will come back. Not that you know

1512
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 1: they're spring will probably kill it, but just the same

1513
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:46,679
Speaker 1: things like that will let them know that, like you're

1514
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 1: thinking about these things and you're not going to leave

1515
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: them with something they got to deal with, because as

1516
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 1: long as they're made whole and they don't have to

1517
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 1: deal with a mess, they're gonna they're fine, you know

1518
01:20:56,439 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah, that that makes sense. Okay, UM,

1519
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 1: so sorry, I unfortunately right now that can cost some money.

1520
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, so you were you were going to go

1521
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 1: on to the next kind of food plot. I thought

1522
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:14,520
Speaker 1: after that, you know, so, like he said, access important,

1523
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 1: I'm always trying to pick, like you know, box lines.

1524
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 1: So here we have our own line of box lines

1525
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 1: that we have built. We have two different types of

1526
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 1: box one as we have a traditional one that goes

1527
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:27,680
Speaker 1: up on um, you know, four by four which you

1528
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 1: can ad adjust the heights. And then we have another

1529
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:32,560
Speaker 1: newer style one that was made for the strategy of

1530
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 1: mowing corn. And it's got jack stands his legs and

1531
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 1: it's purposely meant to be real low. The basically thing

1532
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 1: is about two or three ft in the air, and

1533
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 1: what's meant to do is go in, mow corn, stick

1534
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:46,680
Speaker 1: the box. You know, Actually it starts before that. It's

1535
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 1: being efficient when you go to this farm to to

1536
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: mow that cor and set the blind out. That year,

1537
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 1: it's one truck, one trailer. It's a blind tractor goose

1538
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 1: neck mower gone. Whereas you know, some people like a

1539
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 1: trailer and stuff, but then that requires a blind on

1540
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 1: the trailer. That requires two trucks. You know, it's just

1541
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 1: less efficient. So when this rig it's one rig. You

1542
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 1: go up there, you mow your corn. You drive out

1543
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 1: in the farm with your box on the front. You

1544
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 1: set it to the side, you mow your corn, take

1545
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:16,679
Speaker 1: the blind, drive it into the edge of the corn

1546
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 1: on the side you want to come in from, and

1547
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 1: then get out really quickly. Level the jack stands so

1548
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 1: the blinds level. You're not messing around. You know, wooden

1549
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 1: legs and metal platforms, all this stuff, and then you

1550
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 1: just break some stalks out the back and you have

1551
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 1: perfect egress and ingress. That's the beautiful thing about corn.

1552
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 1: But you know, hunting mode corn is it's it's just

1553
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 1: the most deadly tactic there is. I mean, it gives

1554
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 1: you perfect ingress and egress, and when you're out of food,

1555
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 1: you just mow more and you move the blind in

1556
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 1: two minutes and you don't leave a lot of set

1557
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 1: and whatever. Well, now one of the offshoots of that

1558
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 1: is in the blind is like kind of the color

1559
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 1: of corn. You've got big rubber bands and stuff corn.

1560
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 1: And whether or not that does anything is you know,

1561
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 1: who knows. But we also use it two the same

1562
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 1: thing with switch craft. So a lot of what we

1563
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 1: do in the consoles, we're taking the plates away. So

1564
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 1: we might recommend CRP go converting to c RP. Well,

1565
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:12,599
Speaker 1: a lot of CRP programs they want you to plant,

1566
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:16,679
Speaker 1: you know, mixes of big blue, little blue Indian fours

1567
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and that's great. It takes the plates

1568
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 1: off the table. But the problem is a lot of

1569
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 1: that stuff doesn't get dense enough to screen as tight

1570
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 1: as we want. So I'll recommend to those people do

1571
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 1: the CRP and it takes the plates off the table.

1572
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 1: And then I'll say when it gets established and and

1573
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 1: it starts coming up in the spring after you burned it,

1574
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: go through their backpack spray and spray out a little

1575
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 1: three ft trail that stays dirt throughout the summer. And

1576
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 1: that way you can fly through there and you'll be

1577
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 1: by quiet right to the back of the blind. And

1578
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 1: then and then instead of doing that mix that CRP

1579
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:52,560
Speaker 1: requires against your food plot that we've created, do like

1580
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 1: a ten yards ten ft strip of solid switch. It's

1581
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 1: gonna be more dense and do more screen and um.

1582
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: And then when I'm looking at those to lay them out,

1583
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 1: whether it's a tree stand or a blind, I don't

1584
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm not crazy about hunting in a blind. I use

1585
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 1: a blind as a tool. It's an arsenal in my

1586
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: in my pack of tools. No vics. Tree stands are

1587
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 1: an arsenal in my pack of tools. It's something allowing

1588
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 1: me to get in any tree straight crooked when I

1589
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,759
Speaker 1: have to quietly, Like, I look at stands and blinds

1590
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 1: and stuff as tools. So so that low box blind

1591
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 1: is a tool for corn and then hunting the edge

1592
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 1: of a screen like switch grass. So I'll approach my

1593
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 1: stand or my blind location from egress, ingress and egress,

1594
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's just a wide open field that we're

1595
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 1: gonna start creating with grasses and stuff, but it's always

1596
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 1: ingress and egress. And then that tree stand, that blind,

1597
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,799
Speaker 1: it always has to be in a place that aligns

1598
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 1: with the thermal draws. So like picture God pouring water

1599
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 1: on your blind or tree stand, where is that water

1600
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 1: going to run? It's gonna run downhill into that ravine

1601
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 1: in October. Sometimes I pay I pay just as much

1602
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 1: attention to thermals as I always try to get that

1603
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 1: set up to where my win direction is in line

1604
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 1: with the thermal draw because they will screw you if

1605
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 1: you're not paying attention. And the box line can kind

1606
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 1: of help you hedge some of that because it's set free.

1607
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 1: So it's a tool of standing game. Like Toby said, um,

1608
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 1: you know, it's an odd up or like I always

1609
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 1: joking say, I'm gonna write a book someday about math

1610
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 1: and probability and deer hunting, because literally, whether you're talking

1611
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 1: about trail cams in the summer, trail like tree stand locations,

1612
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 1: the direction you face a tree. No matter what you

1613
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 1: want to talk about deer hunting, it comes back to

1614
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 1: odds and probability um, and so back to the food

1615
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 1: plot stuff, you know, thermals ingress, egress and then creating

1616
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 1: that pinch. Concentrations are cent like Toby talked about, that's

1617
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: something that's not really talked a lot about hunting world.

1618
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 1: If you start paying attention, like when you're walking around

1619
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 1: a farm randomly, and all of a sudden you come

1620
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:00,680
Speaker 1: to the giant scrip or you know, a cluster of

1621
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 1: scrapes or a giant rub or a cluster of rubs.

1622
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:08,480
Speaker 1: More often than the not it's related to a concentration

1623
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:11,800
Speaker 1: the scent. So like humans see with their eyes. Get

1624
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: a kid that goes down on the beach and spring

1625
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 1: break and there's a bunch of girls, get trumbunctious, takes

1626
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 1: his shirt off, starts flexing his muscles or whatever. Deer

1627
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 1: a big buck when he's walking around in the dark,

1628
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 1: Think like a deer, and all of a sudden you

1629
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 1: go through a concentration scent because there's a cliff and

1630
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:29,600
Speaker 1: a creek crossing and blah blah blah and all of

1631
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 1: a sudden, you get hit in the face with a

1632
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:34,879
Speaker 1: bunch of scent. You get rambunctious, and you start flexing

1633
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 1: and tearing stuff up. And so that's where a lot

1634
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 1: of times that that sign explodes. If you really start

1635
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:44,280
Speaker 1: paying attention and so tree COIs and scrapes there, a

1636
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 1: lot of people will put them out and they don't

1637
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 1: they get mixed, you know, results If you put them

1638
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 1: in a spot that's a concentration scent where a deer

1639
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 1: and naturally wants to scrape and rub, you're gonna find

1640
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:57,679
Speaker 1: that they're gonna annihilate. I mean, we've got some tree

1641
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,040
Speaker 1: COIs that haven't been out a couple of years and

1642
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 1: they're about whittled and half. You know. So when you

1643
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:06,679
Speaker 1: can take that plot and like as far as size

1644
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, you need a lot of times

1645
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 1: it depends on how honeable it is to how big

1646
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 1: it needs to be. So with the use of some

1647
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 1: wogen wire fence um, you know, mowing corn strategy, you're

1648
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 1: able to stay in the game because you're able to

1649
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 1: hunt a larger area because of the strategy behind how

1650
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 1: you're hunting it. Um. But like if I get a

1651
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 1: big bean field, and I don't have some type of

1652
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 1: wilver wire fence or something creating a pinch in and

1653
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:39,719
Speaker 1: out that you know, end of the plot or whatever.

1654
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 1: I'll oversee just the area that's within bow range to

1655
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 1: up my odds that the doe was feeding within bow range,

1656
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 1: which up my odds that he's you know, on a

1657
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 1: corn ear, it's so much easier because you're just you

1658
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 1: have that natural egress, you know ability, and you also

1659
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:58,720
Speaker 1: have the ability to keep mowing the corn and keep

1660
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 1: putting them right in front of you. On a bean year,

1661
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 1: when you've got that line of switch grass that we design,

1662
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 1: you have that line of switch your grass to keep

1663
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 1: moving the blind if he's coming out the other end,

1664
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 1: or he's you know, they're eating it back away from

1665
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 1: the blind or whatever. UM. I like keeping it simple.

1666
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 1: I I like big cloths that he talked about, where

1667
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 1: everything the whole, the whole, you got the golden corral

1668
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 1: out there, you got you got your your clover. And

1669
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 1: then I like putting my braskas and my cereal grains

1670
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 1: in my in my sere, in my corn and beans.

1671
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:39,679
Speaker 1: It doesn't get his robust the braska's um. But you again, odds,

1672
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,720
Speaker 1: instead of having four acres of food out there are

1673
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:45,559
Speaker 1: two acres of grains or cereal grains and turn ups

1674
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 1: two acres of grains corn beans. Now you have two acres.

1675
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:52,519
Speaker 1: It's got it all in there, so it just ups

1676
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 1: your odds the hunt ability of it. And I will say,

1677
01:28:56,080 --> 01:29:00,120
Speaker 1: like Brassica strategy, Um, I think I think you can

1678
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:04,200
Speaker 1: plant Braskas like you can plant the early round Nebraska's on.

1679
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 1: Let's say you've got an acre field, You've got a

1680
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:08,640
Speaker 1: pinch that you've laid out in front of you. That's

1681
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 1: where you're gonna shoot him. Is in this pinch? Well,

1682
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 1: you could take a Braska field. You could plant the

1683
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 1: same mix in the end of July and let those

1684
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 1: bulbs get huge leaves you get huge, and then you

1685
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 1: can plant the same mix in the middle of September

1686
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 1: and uh and they get small and more palatable. And

1687
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:31,720
Speaker 1: you could literally create a transition of deer feeding in

1688
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:33,760
Speaker 1: front of you by playing the same exact thing but

1689
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 1: planning at a different time of year. I do think

1690
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 1: those big bulb turnups and stuff are like there's a

1691
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:43,800
Speaker 1: period from like November to December ten or eight that

1692
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 1: I think that you know they just if you don't

1693
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:51,599
Speaker 1: have like miserable miserable weather. I think that they almost

1694
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 1: prefer more than corny beans that they become powerful. So

1695
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 1: once again, it's strategy. It's not so much what you're planning.

1696
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:01,880
Speaker 1: I think it's putting it all in one spot in

1697
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,639
Speaker 1: a way that's hountable and having perfect agress and grass,

1698
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 1: making sure your thermals don't screw you. Um. Sometimes I'll

1699
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 1: have a tree stand in the tree over the top

1700
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 1: of the box, and I'll hate the same exact spot

1701
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 1: the plot set up for this one spot. I hunt

1702
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:18,559
Speaker 1: the box in October when I have, you know, light

1703
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 1: and variable and thermals to deal with all this stuff.

1704
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 1: And in the rut, I'll get in the tree where

1705
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 1: I think you've got to use your ears a little

1706
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 1: more and you know your eyes and you gotta see

1707
01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:31,560
Speaker 1: more stuff happens quicker. I'll have the same spot just

1708
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 1: out of a stand when thermals and everything are a

1709
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 1: little more true. In November, m can you just clarify

1710
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:42,640
Speaker 1: one thing on that brassica topic you mentioned. You know,

1711
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 1: you could plan them in July and you'll get the

1712
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 1: big balls. You could plan them in September and get

1713
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 1: the more palatable younger growth are you saying actually planting

1714
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 1: the same acre twice so you're planning the July and

1715
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 1: then your top seat or what are you saying? No,

1716
01:30:56,840 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm just saying you could take one field and split

1717
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 1: it and plant plant half of it now and half

1718
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 1: of it later, and you can have two totally different

1719
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:07,559
Speaker 1: like results. You know, their strategy for two totally different

1720
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:09,840
Speaker 1: times periods. Not that they won't eat the big stuff,

1721
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 1: especially if it's heavily heavy on radish in my opinion,

1722
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 1: but it just those bolds have definitely become a lot

1723
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 1: more desirable late season. You know, I fail you know? Okay? Um,

1724
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:25,320
Speaker 1: so overseating you get us have both talked about this

1725
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 1: overseating standing beans or into like a mode down corn

1726
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 1: plot something like that. Um, I know some people have

1727
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:34,640
Speaker 1: even you know, I think you talked about us to

1728
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 1: negotiate with a farmer that they can do it right. Um,

1729
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 1: can you fill us in on what you found to

1730
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 1: be the best timing, Like when's the right time to

1731
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 1: do that? What are the conditions you need for that

1732
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 1: to actually work? Because that's one of those things that

1733
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:48,800
Speaker 1: seems like a relatively easy thing to do. You don't

1734
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 1: need a bunch of equipment. You can kind of really

1735
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 1: increase your food output relatively simply, but you've got to

1736
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:58,200
Speaker 1: do it the right way to have it actually work out. Right.

1737
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what's the right way to do them? Um? Well,

1738
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 1: you know, as soon as they start turning yellow, you

1739
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:11,160
Speaker 1: want to you want to oversee them, and you want

1740
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 1: to use The key is small seeds. Um. I pretty

1741
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 1: much keep it simple and just do win a rye.

1742
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 1: I'll do like two bags to the acre um, not

1743
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:26,320
Speaker 1: not rye grass um, but cereal cereal grain rye. Two

1744
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:28,960
Speaker 1: bags of the acre as soon as they yellow. And

1745
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 1: then um, as far as Braskas go, you know, you

1746
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:36,519
Speaker 1: just want good seed the soil contact, which the smaller

1747
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 1: seeds tend to get that. But I think any of

1748
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:43,599
Speaker 1: the Braskas you know, turn ups you know radish, right.

1749
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 1: I think all of it works well. Um, A lot

1750
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:52,840
Speaker 1: of times I just end up kind of throwing you know,

1751
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:55,640
Speaker 1: all the all my left overseas out there at a

1752
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:58,200
Speaker 1: certain point. You know that I don't think it's gonna

1753
01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:02,080
Speaker 1: keep to the next year or whatever. Um. One other

1754
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 1: tip I would give you on overseating is if you're

1755
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:09,080
Speaker 1: truly planning corn yourself, and you're and you're wanting to

1756
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 1: oversee that stuff, run your rose north and south because

1757
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 1: they'll get better light in there. And the best way

1758
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 1: to oversee corn, if you truly want to get out

1759
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 1: there and get after it, is to use a leaf

1760
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:22,600
Speaker 1: flower spreader, and that way you can shoot it, you know,

1761
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 1: shoot it up in the air and whatever. But a

1762
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:28,439
Speaker 1: lot of times I don't go to that effort because

1763
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 1: the mowing of the corn is so powerful. What I

1764
01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 1: do is my first mowing of the corn getting ready

1765
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 1: for deer season will be like September here in Illinois,

1766
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:42,200
Speaker 1: a few days before the season, a week for a season.

1767
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:45,400
Speaker 1: You're still early enough then to oversee it. So I'll

1768
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:48,599
Speaker 1: mow that first area, and then I'll oversee that one area,

1769
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 1: you know, and that will serve me a little green

1770
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 1: plot through most of October. Okay, I follow you now.

1771
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:58,680
Speaker 1: Something I've seen you guys talk about in some of

1772
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 1: your videos where you're enough farms. You've talked about, Well,

1773
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:04,720
Speaker 1: if if the person behind this farm wants to just

1774
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 1: firearm hunt this, we would recommend setting up these plots

1775
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:10,559
Speaker 1: in these food sources differently, versus if this is somebody

1776
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 1: who wants to bow hunt it. Um, how would the

1777
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:16,320
Speaker 1: things you're just talking about right now, Bobby, change if

1778
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:18,720
Speaker 1: I told you, well, I'm an out of state in

1779
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:21,320
Speaker 1: Iowa and I really can only get that every year

1780
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 1: gun tag. Or maybe I'm just a guy who prefers

1781
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:25,519
Speaker 1: gun hunting most of the time. Or we've got a

1782
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:27,679
Speaker 1: big family camp and that's really when we're gonna focus

1783
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:30,200
Speaker 1: on things, So I'm not as worried about you know,

1784
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:32,519
Speaker 1: a bow hunting set up. How does that change your

1785
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:37,479
Speaker 1: food source, food plot plan. Well, I'll give you a

1786
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:41,640
Speaker 1: real world example. UM. Me and Toby are a nonresidents,

1787
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:45,320
Speaker 1: non residence obviously in Iowa, and we've got a thirty

1788
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:49,000
Speaker 1: acre tillable field that we bought up against the no

1789
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 1: hunting property and it literally is a tillable field. UM.

1790
01:34:54,160 --> 01:34:58,880
Speaker 1: And we are essentially designing a a screen if you will,

1791
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:01,680
Speaker 1: about fifty to switch grass in the road. It's a long,

1792
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 1: skinny thirty against the no hunting property. So we have

1793
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:09,639
Speaker 1: a fifty yard stretch of switch grass to screens from

1794
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 1: the road, and then we have a narrower uh screen

1795
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:16,479
Speaker 1: of switch grass. It turns and heads north of the

1796
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:19,120
Speaker 1: property line out in the field, away from the cover

1797
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 1: from the door hunting property. UM. And it's probably about

1798
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:25,639
Speaker 1: I think it's about six six so it's twenty yards wide,

1799
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:27,680
Speaker 1: and it runs the length of the thirty and the

1800
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 1: thirty is pretty it's it's fairly narrow. Um man, it's

1801
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:34,719
Speaker 1: got to go up there. It seems like it seems

1802
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:37,200
Speaker 1: like a half mile, but it's probably probably not quite that.

1803
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:39,479
Speaker 1: And then at the far end it will turn back

1804
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:42,720
Speaker 1: to this big no hunting property and it will have

1805
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, fifty yards of grass up there on that

1806
01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 1: east side where our e grass will be will be

1807
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:51,599
Speaker 1: almost like a two track, you know, something to walk up,

1808
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:53,560
Speaker 1: something that keeps our grass a little away from the

1809
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:56,120
Speaker 1: adjacent farmer field so we don't get any wind drift

1810
01:35:56,160 --> 01:36:00,840
Speaker 1: to kill our grasses. Um. And then from the road

1811
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:03,280
Speaker 1: when the and I'll stake all this out with snow

1812
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:05,840
Speaker 1: plow steaks, you know, this year when we go to

1813
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:08,640
Speaker 1: the frost seeding the switch grass soon, I won't have

1814
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 1: him pull in and cut straight to the switch where

1815
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,720
Speaker 1: you can look like a lane down into our our

1816
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:17,800
Speaker 1: field of paradise back there, which is about end up

1817
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:23,960
Speaker 1: being about twenty two or three acres um. It'll kind

1818
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,240
Speaker 1: of go at an angle or it will be like

1819
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:29,519
Speaker 1: a kind of a half moon shaped entrance road for

1820
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 1: the farmer into the big field. And then if you

1821
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:34,360
Speaker 1: go halfway up that screen on the right side, the

1822
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:36,840
Speaker 1: east side of the property, our box blind will be.

1823
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:39,439
Speaker 1: You'll cut into that grass twenty yards and you'll get

1824
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:42,640
Speaker 1: into the blind perfectly ingress, perfectly grass. And when you

1825
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 1: get in there and you sit down, you look out,

1826
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:48,880
Speaker 1: you'll be looking at a twenty acre hidden field. Um,

1827
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:55,759
Speaker 1: you know, up against no hunting. And essentially we kinda

1828
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:58,320
Speaker 1: we we went round and round about different strategy, but

1829
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 1: what we're doing there is we're keeping our our cash

1830
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:04,000
Speaker 1: RNT high. He's gonna plant the entire field for us,

1831
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:09,439
Speaker 1: um and then he's gonna leave standing crop for us

1832
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:12,760
Speaker 1: a couple of acres of it. So again we'll get

1833
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:15,639
Speaker 1: our We're not having to do anything once his grass

1834
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:18,160
Speaker 1: is established because a farm is doing it everything for us,

1835
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:20,880
Speaker 1: and we negotiated to have him cover crop it. So

1836
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 1: now we're gonna have a twenty acre acre you know,

1837
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:29,000
Speaker 1: win or rye or turn ups or combination field you know,

1838
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:33,080
Speaker 1: into cut beans with you know, two three or four

1839
01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:36,599
Speaker 1: or five acres of standing beans. And we literally turned

1840
01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:41,559
Speaker 1: a tillable field into a world class big buck killing

1841
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 1: machine and the noose is just less tight. There's still

1842
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:50,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of strategy there. But you know, it's just

1843
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:54,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be as tight, you know what

1844
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:56,599
Speaker 1: I mean? You can back off, you can. It's it's

1845
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 1: just a little easier to do, if that makes sense.

1846
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:03,880
Speaker 1: So so do you have or do you try to

1847
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:07,000
Speaker 1: create any kind of pinches still even if they're a

1848
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards wide, or or you're not as

1849
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:12,759
Speaker 1: worried about that because of you know what you just describe.

1850
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:18,680
Speaker 1: I know, I don't think so. Um, it's it's just

1851
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:21,800
Speaker 1: all about perfect ingress and agress like picture. You know,

1852
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 1: you're nonresident, you got authority up there in Iowa. You

1853
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:27,880
Speaker 1: just want one gigantic food source. You just need perfect

1854
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:31,240
Speaker 1: You need to be able to hunt that field probability.

1855
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 1: You need to be able to hunt that field every

1856
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:36,320
Speaker 1: day for two weeks. If that's you know, if that's

1857
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:37,760
Speaker 1: what it means you got a big buck in there.

1858
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 1: You can't be held at at the mercy of of

1859
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:46,200
Speaker 1: odds and not be able to hunt it on a

1860
01:38:46,280 --> 01:38:50,840
Speaker 1: certain wind, and or you can't be hurting your odds

1861
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:53,080
Speaker 1: every day by blowing deer when you come out of

1862
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:57,360
Speaker 1: that field. So I'd say gun hunting, it becomes it

1863
01:38:57,560 --> 01:39:01,479
Speaker 1: becomes a lot you're doing the same thing. It's just

1864
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:04,240
Speaker 1: the new studdn't have to be tight as tight. And

1865
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:10,680
Speaker 1: actually the kind of the the side effect of it

1866
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:13,479
Speaker 1: is you pressure your farm less, you know what I mean,

1867
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:15,519
Speaker 1: because you don't have to dive in quite as much.

1868
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:19,599
Speaker 1: We did a consult for a guy up in Decanyer County, Iowa.

1869
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 1: Oh man, it was one of my favorite farms I've

1870
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:24,160
Speaker 1: ever been on my life. And we kind of quadr

1871
01:39:24,240 --> 01:39:27,080
Speaker 1: in the farm off into four places, had four giant

1872
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:32,519
Speaker 1: food sources with absolutely perfect ingress and egress um to

1873
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:38,240
Speaker 1: each spot. And I mean done acres for for food sources.

1874
01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:41,280
Speaker 1: You know, all your eggs in one basket big and

1875
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:44,479
Speaker 1: we did two corn plots to bean plots. They rotate

1876
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:47,000
Speaker 1: every year. You asked told me that question that that

1877
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:48,760
Speaker 1: would be one thing I'd add on there. If you

1878
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:50,640
Speaker 1: are going to have two big areas, I try and

1879
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:53,080
Speaker 1: rotate it to where it's corn beans, so you have

1880
01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:55,680
Speaker 1: both every year because they will favor one or the

1881
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:57,920
Speaker 1: other on a given day. I don't think we can

1882
01:39:58,120 --> 01:40:00,560
Speaker 1: totally figure that out as hunters. So it seems like

1883
01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:02,680
Speaker 1: all this one day they all go green, one day

1884
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:04,439
Speaker 1: they all go to gens, one day all go to

1885
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:07,360
Speaker 1: corn um. But it's good to just have a variety,

1886
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:10,880
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, tell me, would you add anything to that,

1887
01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, if I had a firearm specific farm or

1888
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:19,320
Speaker 1: area or if that was just my thing. Uh, you

1889
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 1: just you know you have that. That gun is kind

1890
01:40:22,439 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 1: of a great equalizer. Is kind of what I pulled it,

1891
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:27,080
Speaker 1: you know, the way I put it in our four

1892
01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:30,320
Speaker 1: farm before farm project we had in Iowa this year.

1893
01:40:30,360 --> 01:40:32,000
Speaker 1: We kind of set that whole deal up as a

1894
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:34,960
Speaker 1: as a late season you know, more of a late

1895
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:37,960
Speaker 1: season project and or being plots were just a little

1896
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:40,360
Speaker 1: bit bigger, and we paid way you know, the most

1897
01:40:40,439 --> 01:40:44,240
Speaker 1: attention to the the access because it goes right back

1898
01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:47,520
Speaker 1: to what I said before. Especially in a late season situation,

1899
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:50,479
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a lot of deer coming in and

1900
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:53,040
Speaker 1: going from that field, and you know, if you can't

1901
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:54,920
Speaker 1: get in and out of there without blowing them up

1902
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:57,559
Speaker 1: every time, I mean, you're kind of you're spinning your wheels.

1903
01:40:58,200 --> 01:41:01,599
Speaker 1: So access is super important. And then making him making

1904
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:04,840
Speaker 1: sure you have enough tonnage of food to still have

1905
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:07,560
Speaker 1: those deer hitting that plot of the last day of

1906
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:10,280
Speaker 1: the muzzle or season, so you can't run out of

1907
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:12,400
Speaker 1: food and you can't be blowing your plot up coming

1908
01:41:12,439 --> 01:41:16,439
Speaker 1: and going every day. Yeah, and one thing I would

1909
01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:19,439
Speaker 1: say about gun hunting specifically, and this is more like strategy,

1910
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:21,960
Speaker 1: less about habitat or food plots or whatever. But I

1911
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 1: love gun hunting. I mean, obviously I'm big, die hard

1912
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:26,519
Speaker 1: bow hunter, but I love dun hunting. And the way

1913
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:29,080
Speaker 1: that I kind of approached this this deer season is

1914
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:33,200
Speaker 1: like I'm like risk reward. I'm getting a little more invasive,

1915
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:35,479
Speaker 1: a little more invasive as the time goes. I'm tightening

1916
01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:38,080
Speaker 1: the noose if I haven't killed him by gun season,

1917
01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:41,360
Speaker 1: Like I'm dropping dot on the map where I think

1918
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:43,519
Speaker 1: he's at, and I'm trekking in there with a climber,

1919
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:49,120
Speaker 1: you know or whatever, just something mobile, and I'm getting

1920
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:51,040
Speaker 1: right in the thicker things with him with the gun.

1921
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:54,120
Speaker 1: And so, you know a lot of times in in

1922
01:41:54,479 --> 01:41:57,400
Speaker 1: in the contolts and stuff, we'll lay out a standard

1923
01:41:57,439 --> 01:42:01,519
Speaker 1: two for gun that's just blaze in the media things,

1924
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:03,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And it's like, don't go in.

1925
01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:05,799
Speaker 1: And this is the Illinois specifically, because our gun season

1926
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:08,800
Speaker 1: comes in like right and right in the heart of

1927
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:10,760
Speaker 1: what I call the post lock and cruise is like

1928
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:14,360
Speaker 1: November twenty, you know, so that's kind of like that

1929
01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:20,320
Speaker 1: risk reward thing gun strategy, like dive in when it's

1930
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:26,400
Speaker 1: when it's right, you know. Yeah. Interesting. Uh. One more

1931
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:28,720
Speaker 1: thing on the on the food side, and it's it's

1932
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:31,040
Speaker 1: not really food related, I guess, but it is sort

1933
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:34,360
Speaker 1: of coming back to creating these or finding these locations

1934
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:39,519
Speaker 1: of scent concentrations. Toby, you you'd mentioned this early, the

1935
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:43,960
Speaker 1: tree koise um and I know you mentioned that Bobby,

1936
01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:47,479
Speaker 1: you'll sometimes actually get rid of other scrapes in the

1937
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:50,800
Speaker 1: area to to further concentrate where you want it. Can

1938
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:52,720
Speaker 1: you expand on that a little bit and just just

1939
01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:54,640
Speaker 1: give me a little bit more detail about why that

1940
01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:56,840
Speaker 1: is an important thing and is that something you do

1941
01:42:56,920 --> 01:42:59,920
Speaker 1: on all of your food sources and plots. And then secondly,

1942
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:04,240
Speaker 1: I know you guys create your own tree koi product um.

1943
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:07,840
Speaker 1: Can you can you talk to me why that style

1944
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:11,920
Speaker 1: you guys do is more effective than sticking a cut

1945
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:14,600
Speaker 1: down tree in the middle or you know, one of

1946
01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:17,759
Speaker 1: these other tactics that people use to create a fake screen,

1947
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:22,680
Speaker 1: fake scrape tree. It's just probability. So like you know,

1948
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 1: if you're a big deer and you you you know,

1949
01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:29,080
Speaker 1: and this kind of dives into the hunting strategies side

1950
01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:31,919
Speaker 1: of things. But if you're in the mindset in October

1951
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:34,640
Speaker 1: of a territory cruise and you're not really heavily on

1952
01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:38,200
Speaker 1: the dough mindset and you're just you're marking territories, is

1953
01:43:38,200 --> 01:43:40,679
Speaker 1: the high pressure night You show up to a food

1954
01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:42,360
Speaker 1: pot and you can just kind of bang into that

1955
01:43:42,479 --> 01:43:46,240
Speaker 1: back edge and you know, maybe lip curl flaxer muscles,

1956
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:50,400
Speaker 1: hit a scrape and go on to the next one. Well,

1957
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:52,800
Speaker 1: if you didn't have a scrape in that back cove

1958
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:57,040
Speaker 1: or fifty yards or what do you have come to

1959
01:43:57,160 --> 01:44:00,200
Speaker 1: the tree koi that is right in front of your box.

1960
01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:02,920
Speaker 1: It also happens to be a massive concentration the set.

1961
01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:08,479
Speaker 1: Who knows, you don't know, but to me, you know,

1962
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:12,160
Speaker 1: it makes sense that that just ups it's just upping odds.

1963
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:15,400
Speaker 1: It's it's it's that it's that last jinga block that

1964
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:20,880
Speaker 1: you pull and his world comes crumbling down. Yeah, So

1965
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:25,360
Speaker 1: as far as the tree koise go, we just they're

1966
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:29,280
Speaker 1: just there. You know, they're pretty simple they're just but

1967
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:31,720
Speaker 1: they're made out of cedar. They have a hemp rope

1968
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:33,960
Speaker 1: on one side. They've got a bracket on the other

1969
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:37,400
Speaker 1: side to stick whatever whatever brand you want. They're just,

1970
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:39,240
Speaker 1: you know, they're robust. We put them in with a

1971
01:44:39,439 --> 01:44:42,439
Speaker 1: with a you know, um an augur or whatever. So

1972
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:45,679
Speaker 1: they're down in concrete them deep. So they're just they're robust.

1973
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:47,439
Speaker 1: They're gonna stay there. You can put them in the

1974
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:50,320
Speaker 1: exact spot you want. They rubbed the heck out of

1975
01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:53,479
Speaker 1: the cedar and then um we also have a we

1976
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:55,240
Speaker 1: have a weather vein that we put on the top

1977
01:44:55,320 --> 01:44:58,360
Speaker 1: of the tree Koi, and that weather vein allows you

1978
01:44:58,439 --> 01:45:01,759
Speaker 1: when you're sitting in a box again, that last box

1979
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:05,360
Speaker 1: of Jenga, and that that last block got me last year.

1980
01:45:05,479 --> 01:45:07,439
Speaker 1: Even when I was in a set free blocks, I

1981
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:10,439
Speaker 1: didn't have on that face face with the monster video.

1982
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:13,280
Speaker 1: I didn't have a tree COI, I didn't have that

1983
01:45:14,120 --> 01:45:17,720
Speaker 1: weather vane out there. And I opened that window and

1984
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:20,760
Speaker 1: the thermals had turned and we're cutting across the back

1985
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:22,720
Speaker 1: edge of the plot and the doe caught me and

1986
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:24,760
Speaker 1: took off and then he ended up smelling me. So

1987
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:28,000
Speaker 1: if I was watching that weather vane. If I had

1988
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:29,720
Speaker 1: one of them out in that plot, I would not

1989
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:33,519
Speaker 1: have opened that window yet. So that weather vane gives

1990
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:37,200
Speaker 1: you the ability to essentially, you know, no when to

1991
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:40,599
Speaker 1: not open the wind. It also teaches you a lot

1992
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:43,120
Speaker 1: about kind of air currents and what's going on, and

1993
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:45,479
Speaker 1: you realize real quick there's a lot more going on

1994
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:48,000
Speaker 1: than you kind of thing. Yeah, that's pretty interesting. That

1995
01:45:48,200 --> 01:45:53,880
Speaker 1: that's the that's the deal with those things. So site

1996
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:56,360
Speaker 1: there you can actually there's a video that kind of

1997
01:45:56,479 --> 01:46:00,160
Speaker 1: keys in on those tree kois and there's some really

1998
01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:05,880
Speaker 1: cool trail camera video of you know, watching these books

1999
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:09,320
Speaker 1: and watching the those and and see how they communicate

2000
01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:11,760
Speaker 1: through scent. But this tree coy is even the those

2001
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:14,479
Speaker 1: when they come by it, each one of them will

2002
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:17,160
Speaker 1: smell a different part of it, and they'll reach up

2003
01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:19,679
Speaker 1: and they'll actually lick and nibble on the hemp rope

2004
01:46:19,680 --> 01:46:22,080
Speaker 1: and they'll rub it on their face. And then you know,

2005
01:46:22,920 --> 01:46:24,880
Speaker 1: the next day you'll come in, they'll do something different.

2006
01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:27,720
Speaker 1: They'll smell the rubbing part of it. But it's you know,

2007
01:46:27,960 --> 01:46:31,200
Speaker 1: deer communicate through scent primarily, and that's you're just giving

2008
01:46:31,240 --> 01:46:35,000
Speaker 1: them a place to do that, a place where they

2009
01:46:35,080 --> 01:46:40,040
Speaker 1: do that on our terms. Yes, yeah, and that seems

2010
01:46:40,479 --> 01:46:44,519
Speaker 1: that's like a a theme of everything you guys seem

2011
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:47,760
Speaker 1: to be doing. Is you correct me if I'm wrong here,

2012
01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:49,519
Speaker 1: but I feel like one of the one of your

2013
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:53,600
Speaker 1: secret sauces is being really good at at noticing and

2014
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:57,200
Speaker 1: analyzing what the deer want to do naturally and then

2015
01:46:57,400 --> 01:47:03,400
Speaker 1: enhancing it where you can, or hedging, tweaking, twisting, shifting

2016
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:06,280
Speaker 1: a bit to make sure that what dear naturally do

2017
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:10,160
Speaker 1: happens in a place that's advantageous to you as the hunter.

2018
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:16,680
Speaker 1: And everything seems to be connected. Yeah. Yes, you have

2019
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:19,479
Speaker 1: to be able to think like a deer in order

2020
01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:23,240
Speaker 1: to you know, and anybody can do that, you know,

2021
01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:26,240
Speaker 1: but you have to be able to think like a

2022
01:47:26,360 --> 01:47:30,040
Speaker 1: deer in order to kind of you know, work backwards

2023
01:47:30,120 --> 01:47:32,639
Speaker 1: to set set the pharm up, you know. And it's

2024
01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:35,280
Speaker 1: even like the blinds. You know we talked about we

2025
01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:37,640
Speaker 1: have our own minds made. Well. We didn't do that

2026
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:41,560
Speaker 1: because we wanted to, like, you know, we didn't do

2027
01:47:41,680 --> 01:47:43,920
Speaker 1: it by default because we want to build a big

2028
01:47:43,960 --> 01:47:46,479
Speaker 1: blind company. We did it because we wanted to build

2029
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:50,880
Speaker 1: in little layers of micro strategy. The way that we

2030
01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:53,360
Speaker 1: wanted to utilize a blind the way we wanted it

2031
01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:56,240
Speaker 1: set free. Like our windows are glass, so they don't

2032
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:59,519
Speaker 1: scratch that. We have Matt Vinyl blackout on the outside,

2033
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:01,800
Speaker 1: the bouse the blind black. The inside is black. When

2034
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:04,519
Speaker 1: you open the window, there's no flash because it's final

2035
01:48:06,120 --> 01:48:09,479
Speaker 1: blackout film. On the outside, there's no glass, there's no glare.

2036
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:12,800
Speaker 1: That's that last Jana block that you open. You open

2037
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:15,320
Speaker 1: a glass one, a replexi glass one. It reflects and

2038
01:48:15,400 --> 01:48:18,360
Speaker 1: the dope catches you and starts wagging out, you know

2039
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:21,599
Speaker 1: what I mean. So there's so many like little tiny

2040
01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:25,920
Speaker 1: micro strategies and it all adds up like one thing

2041
01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:28,080
Speaker 1: might be silly, another thing might be silly. But when

2042
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:31,600
Speaker 1: you have like fifteen year twenty things going on, it

2043
01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:35,240
Speaker 1: starts changing the game. Yeah, I feel like there's a

2044
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:38,760
Speaker 1: lot of like famous football coaches and different folks in

2045
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:41,000
Speaker 1: the sporting world to talk about this idea of the

2046
01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:44,880
Speaker 1: accrue of marginal gains. It's just the tiny thing today,

2047
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:47,160
Speaker 1: and the tiny thing tomorrow, and the tiny thing every

2048
01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:50,120
Speaker 1: one of these little pieces stacks up just like you're saying,

2049
01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:52,560
Speaker 1: Bob and I have two thousand percent agree that that

2050
01:48:52,720 --> 01:48:56,559
Speaker 1: is that's the difference between you know, your your guy

2051
01:48:56,680 --> 01:48:59,000
Speaker 1: or girl who can be consistently successful and the person

2052
01:48:59,080 --> 01:49:01,559
Speaker 1: who looks into it for once in a while. It's

2053
01:49:01,960 --> 01:49:05,800
Speaker 1: it's just stacking them, stacking every little marginal gain and

2054
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:11,720
Speaker 1: it grows into something, um paying attention to. Yeah, Like

2055
01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:14,200
Speaker 1: I said, we all have different strokes of the brush.

2056
01:49:14,280 --> 01:49:16,400
Speaker 1: That's what's kind of cool about like this kind of

2057
01:49:16,439 --> 01:49:19,519
Speaker 1: group of white tail kind of minds. Everybody's got a

2058
01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:22,600
Speaker 1: different stroke. It's like art at a certain point, you know,

2059
01:49:23,880 --> 01:49:28,200
Speaker 1: everybody's successful or whatever. It's just everybody got a little

2060
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:31,200
Speaker 1: different twitter cake on it, you know, a little different

2061
01:49:31,240 --> 01:49:34,800
Speaker 1: stroke of the brush. Um. But I do feel like

2062
01:49:34,920 --> 01:49:37,720
Speaker 1: the one thing that we can all agree on is

2063
01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:43,240
Speaker 1: the ability to increase odds. Yeah, and we're kind of um,

2064
01:49:44,920 --> 01:49:47,320
Speaker 1: we're jumping on top of the final thing I wanted

2065
01:49:47,320 --> 01:49:49,360
Speaker 1: to talk about before I even ask the questions, So

2066
01:49:49,439 --> 01:49:51,560
Speaker 1: we might have just answered the question I'm about to

2067
01:49:51,560 --> 01:49:54,400
Speaker 1: ask you. But but I want to wrap it up here.

2068
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:57,040
Speaker 1: I've we uh, we could definitely talk through these things.

2069
01:49:57,080 --> 01:49:59,040
Speaker 1: Were about four more hours, So we do probably need

2070
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:02,320
Speaker 1: to set up a future get together to do more

2071
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:04,840
Speaker 1: of this because there's a lot I still wanted to

2072
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:07,840
Speaker 1: cover it. I just can't keep it here till midnight. Um.

2073
01:50:08,720 --> 01:50:11,360
Speaker 1: But but you guys do have this really unique opportunity

2074
01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:15,280
Speaker 1: where you get to, you know, bring on you know,

2075
01:50:15,439 --> 01:50:17,320
Speaker 1: the best of the best and spend time with them,

2076
01:50:17,400 --> 01:50:20,040
Speaker 1: either helping them with their properties or them joining you

2077
01:50:20,120 --> 01:50:21,400
Speaker 1: to go out and do this kind of stuff for

2078
01:50:21,479 --> 01:50:23,960
Speaker 1: other people. So you've you've been able to pick the

2079
01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:25,479
Speaker 1: brains are the best of the best and work with

2080
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:28,479
Speaker 1: the best of the best. So other than you know,

2081
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:32,600
Speaker 1: those people or situations where you know, you have a

2082
01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:34,760
Speaker 1: lot more money to use for this kind of thing

2083
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:36,519
Speaker 1: or a lot more time to spend on this kind

2084
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:39,480
Speaker 1: of thing, other than those two variables that are outside

2085
01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:43,600
Speaker 1: of you know, every person's particular circumstances. What what do

2086
01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:46,280
Speaker 1: the best of the do? Sorry, what do the best

2087
01:50:46,479 --> 01:50:50,519
Speaker 1: of the best to do that the average guyler girl doesn't?

2088
01:50:51,080 --> 01:50:56,080
Speaker 1: So what separates the top one percent from the other? Um?

2089
01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:57,720
Speaker 1: Is it just what we talked about or is there

2090
01:50:57,720 --> 01:51:00,920
Speaker 1: anything else that you can point a finger to specifically

2091
01:51:01,120 --> 01:51:03,479
Speaker 1: kind of on the you know, working on a habitat

2092
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:06,120
Speaker 1: side of things that stands out to you? Tell me

2093
01:51:06,200 --> 01:51:11,040
Speaker 1: if you want to start, UM, I just think education,

2094
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:14,320
Speaker 1: like Bobby talked about earlier. The more whether it's our

2095
01:51:14,360 --> 01:51:18,959
Speaker 1: stuff you're watching, or Bend stuff we're watching, or anybody

2096
01:51:19,040 --> 01:51:22,439
Speaker 1: else who's who's big into the management and development, I mean,

2097
01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:25,599
Speaker 1: the more knowledge you can get and then figuring out

2098
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:30,560
Speaker 1: if that particular knowledge applies to your peace. You know,

2099
01:51:30,680 --> 01:51:32,840
Speaker 1: it's again it's coming right back to no peace of

2100
01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:35,880
Speaker 1: the same, you know, and and everybody's got a little

2101
01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:39,960
Speaker 1: bit of spin. But the more knowledge you can gain, no,

2102
01:51:41,720 --> 01:51:43,799
Speaker 1: the better you're gonna be with with how it applies

2103
01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:47,360
Speaker 1: to your place. And you know, these guys that we

2104
01:51:47,439 --> 01:51:50,519
Speaker 1: deal with and that are the bigger, you know, bigger

2105
01:51:50,600 --> 01:51:54,320
Speaker 1: names in the industry. I think these guys they eat, sleep,

2106
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:58,200
Speaker 1: deer hunting like like we do. It's like it's it's

2107
01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:01,080
Speaker 1: it's part of every conversation. It's it's you know, the

2108
01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:05,080
Speaker 1: boots on the ground every day. Or you know, everybody's

2109
01:52:05,400 --> 01:52:07,599
Speaker 1: phones are going off with your cell cams and you're

2110
01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:10,600
Speaker 1: continue to building your hit list, and you're you're just

2111
01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:13,760
Speaker 1: paying attention to all these little things. And you know,

2112
01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:15,560
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. You know that you know

2113
01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:18,240
Speaker 1: more or less the average guy. You know, they don't

2114
01:52:18,320 --> 01:52:22,360
Speaker 1: have the advantage of time to pay attention to nothing

2115
01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:25,840
Speaker 1: but deer hunting, like some people do, And that's that's fine.

2116
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Speaker 1: But that's where watching the videos and listening and learning

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01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:33,080
Speaker 1: from the guys that do have the time to spend

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01:52:33,200 --> 01:52:35,880
Speaker 1: endless hours in the woods learning, that's that's that's the

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01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:39,160
Speaker 1: biggest thing to me, is learned from what everybody else

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Speaker 1: has to say. Yeah, great point, Bubby, Bubby, what would

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01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:47,479
Speaker 1: you say you've seen? Yeah, I agree with with that too.

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01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:49,639
Speaker 1: You know, there's definitely gonna be people that are listening

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01:52:49,720 --> 01:52:51,719
Speaker 1: that feel like, you know, they can't relate or whatever.

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01:52:51,840 --> 01:52:55,200
Speaker 1: But um, you know, I grew up I didn't have

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01:52:55,240 --> 01:52:56,920
Speaker 1: anybody in my family even hunted. I was in the

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01:52:57,000 --> 01:52:59,080
Speaker 1: suburbs of North Carolina. For some reason, I had this

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01:52:59,160 --> 01:53:03,240
Speaker 1: like burning passion to deer hunting. Ended up finding an

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01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:05,680
Speaker 1: older gentleman to take me and this and that and

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01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:08,760
Speaker 1: but as time, when on I got in on a lease,

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01:53:08,800 --> 01:53:11,280
Speaker 1: I got my dad into hunting. Our lease was a

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01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:14,360
Speaker 1: dog hunting club in South Carolina, and I remember we

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01:53:14,439 --> 01:53:16,599
Speaker 1: even joined it on some of the dog hunting deals,

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01:53:16,720 --> 01:53:19,160
Speaker 1: and you know, and then I've moved up to upstate

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01:53:19,200 --> 01:53:21,679
Speaker 1: New York and I hunted in the Adirondacks with guys

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01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:26,000
Speaker 1: and did drives and that rendecks. And you know what

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01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:29,280
Speaker 1: I'm getting at is, no matter where you are, different

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01:53:29,400 --> 01:53:34,760
Speaker 1: styles of hunting come about, um, just because of the

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01:53:35,880 --> 01:53:37,920
Speaker 1: way the deer are, the way the habitat is, or

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01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:40,200
Speaker 1: the food down south of the pines and stuff that

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01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:42,840
Speaker 1: it's hard to hunt. You know, in the mountains of

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01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:44,600
Speaker 1: the Adirondics there's not a lot of deer and so

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01:53:44,760 --> 01:53:49,040
Speaker 1: they're doing drive. So my point is like, don't I

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01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:52,840
Speaker 1: would tell people, don't ever have like you know, um,

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01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:57,040
Speaker 1: your guard up or preconceived notion about somebody else's dear knowledge.

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01:53:57,439 --> 01:54:00,360
Speaker 1: They're all just deer and you can learn. Like the

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01:54:00,439 --> 01:54:04,400
Speaker 1: dog guys for example, I mean, they know better about

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01:54:04,520 --> 01:54:07,040
Speaker 1: the deer's escape routes and how they travel than anybody.

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01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:09,000
Speaker 1: The guys in the outer ondex they know a lot

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01:54:09,080 --> 01:54:12,040
Speaker 1: about that as well. You know, the Kansas deer or

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01:54:12,120 --> 01:54:15,840
Speaker 1: nomad they will wander fifteen miles for food. Like everywhere

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01:54:15,880 --> 01:54:18,719
Speaker 1: you go, the deer are different, and you have guys

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01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:23,160
Speaker 1: that are consistently successful in those areas, they become masters

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01:54:23,200 --> 01:54:26,000
Speaker 1: of that. So like you know, listen to those guys

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01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:29,840
Speaker 1: that are successful in their areas. Pull snippets and then

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01:54:30,040 --> 01:54:33,040
Speaker 1: before you know it, something you learn from the guys

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01:54:33,120 --> 01:54:35,680
Speaker 1: in a different area you can apply, you know, to

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01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:37,760
Speaker 1: the Midwest and it just makes you a bit better

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01:54:37,880 --> 01:54:41,480
Speaker 1: hunter there. Um, I think I think just in general,

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01:54:41,560 --> 01:54:44,680
Speaker 1: people being a little more open to listening, you know, like,

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01:54:44,840 --> 01:54:47,000
Speaker 1: for example, we have the opportunity to be around a

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01:54:47,080 --> 01:54:50,840
Speaker 1: lot of big, mature deer. Um. Like I even listen

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01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:52,560
Speaker 1: to a le a lot leads around a ton of

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01:54:52,720 --> 01:54:56,000
Speaker 1: mature deer. He's he's become a master of growing old deer.

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01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:59,040
Speaker 1: He's passing deer. They're two hundred at five because you

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01:54:59,120 --> 01:55:02,720
Speaker 1: want some seven you if you can learn more about

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01:55:02,760 --> 01:55:07,520
Speaker 1: how a seven year old deer behaves, well, then when

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01:55:07,600 --> 01:55:09,520
Speaker 1: you do have a seven year old deer to hunt,

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01:55:09,640 --> 01:55:12,360
Speaker 1: you're ahead of the curve, you know. So kind of

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01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:17,000
Speaker 1: what Toby said, just listening, learning from everybody, um, not

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01:55:17,440 --> 01:55:20,080
Speaker 1: not thinking that there's a one size fits all approach,

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01:55:20,120 --> 01:55:23,800
Speaker 1: because there's not, um, you know, And definitely they don't

2172
01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:26,080
Speaker 1: need to be a big name person to be listening to.

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01:55:26,160 --> 01:55:27,400
Speaker 1: I know a lot of guys that look up to

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01:55:27,520 --> 01:55:30,000
Speaker 1: and stuff that are killers, and you know they don't

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01:55:30,840 --> 01:55:33,880
Speaker 1: you know, they just do their things. So just listening

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01:55:33,960 --> 01:55:36,960
Speaker 1: and learning and and and definitely learning from the deer.

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01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:39,200
Speaker 1: That people always say, well, how do you know how

2178
01:55:39,240 --> 01:55:40,840
Speaker 1: to hunt a farm? With you? It's your first year.

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01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:42,640
Speaker 1: It takes a while to learn it. And I always say, well,

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01:55:43,320 --> 01:55:45,680
Speaker 1: I'm learning a deer and he's teaching me the farm.

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01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:48,280
Speaker 1: Just pay attention to what he's doing, and he'll teach

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01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:51,880
Speaker 1: to the farm, you know, and then pretty tun you

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01:55:52,040 --> 01:55:54,120
Speaker 1: know how to basically you kind of know how he's

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01:55:54,120 --> 01:55:58,320
Speaker 1: gonna use a farm because you've seen it before, you know, Yeah, yeah,

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01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:04,000
Speaker 1: I gotta yeah. This is um, this is the fun stuff,

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01:56:04,040 --> 01:56:06,920
Speaker 1: Like this is really really fun stuff, trying to pick

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01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:11,000
Speaker 1: apart those different little nuances, learning the deer, learn the property,

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01:56:11,080 --> 01:56:14,200
Speaker 1: learning how this little change here affects this little thing

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01:56:14,280 --> 01:56:17,640
Speaker 1: over here, and how it's all connected in between. And uh,

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01:56:17,880 --> 01:56:21,800
Speaker 1: and I appreciate the level of thought that you guys

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01:56:21,880 --> 01:56:25,520
Speaker 1: put into it that that stands out and uh, and

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01:56:25,640 --> 01:56:29,840
Speaker 1: I enjoy it. And obviously the results are are indicating

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01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:31,800
Speaker 1: that what you're what you're putting out there is working.

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01:56:32,120 --> 01:56:35,840
Speaker 1: So if if folks Bobby want to learn more, if

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01:56:35,880 --> 01:56:38,200
Speaker 1: they want to see what you guys have up to,

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01:56:38,520 --> 01:56:41,480
Speaker 1: if they want to see future properties, that might be

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01:56:41,520 --> 01:56:43,720
Speaker 1: all available for sale. I mean, you've got a lot

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01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:45,560
Speaker 1: of things going on. Where can people find all of

2199
01:56:45,640 --> 01:56:50,120
Speaker 1: these different things? Um? So our YouTube channel, the white

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01:56:50,160 --> 01:56:53,960
Speaker 1: Tail group, basically has a lot of series where that

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01:56:54,040 --> 01:56:57,600
Speaker 1: we just follow, you know, the cameras follow the farm.

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01:56:57,680 --> 01:56:59,920
Speaker 1: The first video might be, uh, you know, the play

2203
01:57:00,040 --> 01:57:02,560
Speaker 1: and the next one might be the logging project or

2204
01:57:03,240 --> 01:57:06,080
Speaker 1: you know, excavation project or whatever it might need, and

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01:57:06,160 --> 01:57:08,120
Speaker 1: then you know the food plots and stuff, and then

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01:57:08,160 --> 01:57:09,920
Speaker 1: the final product. So it's almost like kind of like

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01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:13,320
Speaker 1: an h G TV type you know format. Um. And

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01:57:13,360 --> 01:57:15,440
Speaker 1: then our Facebook page, you know, gets a lot of

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01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:18,120
Speaker 1: stuff on there. Not strong on Instagram yet, we need

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01:57:18,160 --> 01:57:20,480
Speaker 1: to work on that. Um. We got stuff on TikTok.

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01:57:21,080 --> 01:57:23,480
Speaker 1: On our website, we have a farm's page. It kind

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01:57:23,480 --> 01:57:25,480
Speaker 1: of shows what's coming down the pipeline, and we have

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01:57:25,560 --> 01:57:28,200
Speaker 1: a pre market buyer list and that list we kind

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01:57:28,240 --> 01:57:30,560
Speaker 1: of we kind of and we're kind of changing our

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01:57:30,600 --> 01:57:32,960
Speaker 1: format a little. A lot of times we've been doing

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01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:35,880
Speaker 1: the plan on the farm, but we're starting to come

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01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:38,800
Speaker 1: back and do the plan on a zoom style meeting

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01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:41,320
Speaker 1: where we talk about and physically show it all on

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01:57:41,600 --> 01:57:44,680
Speaker 1: on Onyx on the maps um, and that way it

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01:57:44,760 --> 01:57:48,200
Speaker 1: makes more sense before we get into developing it. UM.

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01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:50,720
Speaker 1: So we just did one the other day, and I

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01:57:50,840 --> 01:57:52,840
Speaker 1: will send you a link to that when it's up

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01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:54,840
Speaker 1: on YouTube, and you could maybe put it out there

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01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:57,320
Speaker 1: on your on your platform people watch, because that's gonna

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01:57:57,400 --> 01:58:00,240
Speaker 1: take everything we just talked about and it's gonna hie

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01:58:00,280 --> 01:58:01,880
Speaker 1: it all in and they're gonna be able to see

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01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:05,760
Speaker 1: it happening, you know, in the layout of a farm

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01:58:05,800 --> 01:58:09,280
Speaker 1: and kind of our approach with all these different strategies. UM.

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01:58:10,200 --> 01:58:12,040
Speaker 1: And you know, generally our a website has got a

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01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:14,520
Speaker 1: lot of information. It's got until belief in program, it's

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01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:19,280
Speaker 1: got you know, UM, it's got the logging information, it's

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01:58:19,320 --> 01:58:24,000
Speaker 1: got farms for sale stuff, it's got blind entre Cooi

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01:58:24,120 --> 01:58:26,960
Speaker 1: has kind of got a little bit everything. So very cool.

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01:58:27,520 --> 01:58:30,080
Speaker 1: Untilby is there anything else in your end with with

2235
01:58:30,440 --> 01:58:34,560
Speaker 1: real estate or anything else that you want to mention? UM,

2236
01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:36,440
Speaker 1: you can see you can get on a white tail

2237
01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:38,960
Speaker 1: group dot com and look for all the projects you're

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01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:41,640
Speaker 1: coming out of pipeline that Bobby says, and we talked

2239
01:58:41,680 --> 01:58:45,360
Speaker 1: a little bit about, you know, the pre market thing

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01:58:45,600 --> 01:58:48,280
Speaker 1: in a couple of examples, but you know, I just people.

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01:58:49,240 --> 01:58:51,200
Speaker 1: You know, if you're looking for a piece of ground,

2242
01:58:51,320 --> 01:58:54,200
Speaker 1: you can actually reach out to us and say, here's

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01:58:54,240 --> 01:58:55,920
Speaker 1: what I'm wanting, here's the area I want to be in,

2244
01:58:56,880 --> 01:58:59,560
Speaker 1: and you know, I'd like for you guys to find

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01:58:59,640 --> 01:59:02,320
Speaker 1: it about it, you know, and and when I take over,

2246
01:59:02,400 --> 01:59:05,280
Speaker 1: I want to finish product and so there's a process

2247
01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:07,360
Speaker 1: that can happen. Feel free to reach out to us

2248
01:59:07,400 --> 01:59:09,960
Speaker 1: and just talk about that and watch the videos on it.

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01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:13,840
Speaker 1: Other than that, um, we don't have something you're looking for,

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01:59:14,680 --> 01:59:16,840
Speaker 1: you can get on the land guys dot com and

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01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:20,160
Speaker 1: see some other farms in the area. And even if

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01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, something develops to where you buy a farm

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01:59:23,720 --> 01:59:26,120
Speaker 1: that we don't own, we'd still be happy to do

2254
01:59:26,240 --> 01:59:28,600
Speaker 1: the console and jump in there and help you with

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01:59:29,120 --> 01:59:31,360
Speaker 1: any part of the project or the plan. So it's

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01:59:31,680 --> 01:59:35,280
Speaker 1: a couple different ways that you can get involved. And

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01:59:35,320 --> 01:59:37,600
Speaker 1: the console side of our business is kind of blowing up.

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01:59:37,960 --> 01:59:40,720
Speaker 1: That's where it all begins. I mean, that's where the

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01:59:40,800 --> 01:59:44,040
Speaker 1: magic happens. I tell people, you know, forty bucks and

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01:59:44,080 --> 01:59:46,720
Speaker 1: you have this group of people help you shave off

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01:59:46,800 --> 01:59:50,920
Speaker 1: the years of trial and air and property value. You know,

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01:59:51,000 --> 01:59:53,080
Speaker 1: I say, if we can increase your property value a

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01:59:53,160 --> 01:59:56,320
Speaker 1: hundred dollars per acre, which is it's probably gonna be

2264
01:59:56,560 --> 01:59:59,680
Speaker 1: more like several hundred. You know, for every hundred acres

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01:59:59,800 --> 02:00:03,160
Speaker 1: that we increase by dollars and acres ten grands double

2266
02:00:03,240 --> 02:00:06,760
Speaker 1: your investment. So it's a no brainer from the standpoint

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02:00:06,840 --> 02:00:09,800
Speaker 1: of what you learned that will follow you forever on

2268
02:00:09,920 --> 02:00:13,800
Speaker 1: that console, regardless of property, the use you get out

2269
02:00:13,880 --> 02:00:17,440
Speaker 1: of the property while you own it, and the resale value.

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02:00:17,520 --> 02:00:20,240
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a no brainer. And for me, I'm

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02:00:20,280 --> 02:00:23,680
Speaker 1: so passionate about that because it's we're truly like changing

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02:00:23,760 --> 02:00:26,560
Speaker 1: the course of people's on experience by helping or even

2273
02:00:26,640 --> 02:00:30,760
Speaker 1: on their own farms with consulting, very very cool stuff.

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02:00:30,920 --> 02:00:35,280
Speaker 1: I can certainly see the appeal to having you guys

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02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:37,080
Speaker 1: and some of your pals come out there and share

2276
02:00:37,120 --> 02:00:40,320
Speaker 1: your perspective on a place. Uh that sounds like a fun,

2277
02:00:40,640 --> 02:00:45,880
Speaker 1: very interesting day. So guys do a project together. Hey,

2278
02:00:46,840 --> 02:00:50,600
Speaker 1: let me know. I'm all for it. I love that

2279
02:00:50,680 --> 02:00:55,280
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And uh, I'm guilty of always selfishly

2280
02:00:55,600 --> 02:00:57,320
Speaker 1: wanting to pick the brains of the best and the

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02:00:57,360 --> 02:01:01,960
Speaker 1: best myself, which you guys qualify us. I appreciate you, guys.

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02:01:02,040 --> 02:01:04,080
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for for staying up lay here

2283
02:01:04,080 --> 02:01:06,280
Speaker 1: tonight's talk through all this stuff and sticking around for

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02:01:06,400 --> 02:01:09,600
Speaker 1: so long. Um, this is uh, this is some great

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02:01:09,720 --> 02:01:13,040
Speaker 1: next level habitat and know how that I know folks

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02:01:13,040 --> 02:01:15,400
Speaker 1: are gonna enjoy. So thank you, thank you, thank you,

2287
02:01:16,680 --> 02:01:19,160
Speaker 1: and that is a rap. Thank you for joining me,

2288
02:01:19,280 --> 02:01:21,400
Speaker 1: Thanks for sticking around for a long one here today.

2289
02:01:21,720 --> 02:01:27,520
Speaker 1: I hope you found some valuable concepts, strategies, ideas, tips, tricks, uh,

2290
02:01:27,760 --> 02:01:30,600
Speaker 1: something you can bring to the table when improving your

2291
02:01:30,680 --> 02:01:34,560
Speaker 1: own white tail properties. Uh. I know I certainly did

2292
02:01:34,880 --> 02:01:37,400
Speaker 1: so well that all said, let's wrap this one up,

2293
02:01:37,760 --> 02:01:39,280
Speaker 1: let's get out there and get to work on our

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02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:44,640
Speaker 1: own places. And until next time, stay wired. Tom