Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome
Speaker 1: Back Man, Season two of All the Smoke. We got
Speaker 1: a real special guys, what's up with your Brodie? With
Speaker 1: the virtual handshake, I'm gonna tell you something that I
Speaker 1: never told go back, I want to smoke. Welcome Back
Speaker 1: to All the Smoke. The end of the year, Rundown
Speaker 1: Man has been crazy Jack, to say the least, a
Speaker 1: crazy one. But we still here, my brother, We're still
Speaker 1: for a real reason. Unfortunately, one of the things I
Speaker 1: had a good time doing last year was was the
Speaker 1: Christmas tree skit with you trying to hop the fence
Speaker 1: and me smelling trees and you cutting that bitch crooked. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: due to the pandemic in California being shut down, we're
Speaker 1: not gonna be at the Christmas tree hunt this year.
Speaker 1: But it's still gonna be a good holiday. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: as long as everybody's healthy, everybody's happy. I think that's
Speaker 1: the biggest thing. It's been a tough year, but think
Speaker 1: we're gonna end it off on a happy, healthy, joyous note.
Speaker 1: And we can't cut the trees, but you know, we
Speaker 1: got a lot of good stuff coming for the new year. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: so you know, we got started late in nineteen came
Speaker 1: out the gates screaming in um, just a list who
Speaker 1: we had out the gates to take our fans back.
Speaker 1: We came out the gates with Kobe rest in peace.
Speaker 1: Obviously we're going to get to him in depth. Carry Champions,
Speaker 1: Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Kevin Garnett, DeMarcus Cousin, Jamal Hill,
Speaker 1: Ai Snoop, Paul Pierce, Shannon. The list was incredible. Man,
Speaker 1: When I think back and read that and just kind
Speaker 1: of process all that, like, it's crazy to think that
Speaker 1: we've had all these people and much more many people
Speaker 1: didn't name on our show the first year. Man, to
Speaker 1: start off like that, I think, you know, it was
Speaker 1: a blessing. But it showed also not only the support
Speaker 1: we had, but how a show like this was needed,
Speaker 1: you know, because so so many people wanted to come
Speaker 1: on our show and say things that they couldn't say
Speaker 1: on a platform. So uh, I also thank them, but
Speaker 1: I think everybody needed our show as well. I've been
Speaker 1: doing a lot of other people's podcast you know, kind
Speaker 1: of since our stuff taken off. And the one thing
Speaker 1: that I didn't even realize because we, like I said,
Speaker 1: we were doing it because we just wanted to get
Speaker 1: out here and talk. Our ship is we're kind of
Speaker 1: opening doors for other people, you know. Brandon Marshall spoke
Speaker 1: on that. You know, we're kind of paving the way
Speaker 1: for like real fun in depth and serious at times,
Speaker 1: but but a great conversation from two people that don't
Speaker 1: really hold anything back. And I think, um, the perspective
Speaker 1: we have obviously from our guests, but our ability to
Speaker 1: make our guests feel comfortable and talk to talk to
Speaker 1: us like we're not on camera. I think that's been
Speaker 1: kind of like our secret sauce. Yeah, it's been beautiful. Man.
Speaker 1: You don't have to wear a mask on our show,
Speaker 1: you know, me and you have two guys. What you
Speaker 1: see is what you get with us. We were emotions
Speaker 1: on our sleeves, so we don't hide nothing. People know
Speaker 1: we're being real authentic. So people they love to come
Speaker 1: on the show and be the be their authentic sales,
Speaker 1: and I think that's what we welcome. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: although this this remote, it's kind of cool. I prefer
Speaker 1: obviously the in person, but just because once you come
Speaker 1: to the studio, whether it be in Santa Monica or
Speaker 1: in New York, you feel the vibe. You hear the music,
Speaker 1: you see the food, you see the smoke in the air,
Speaker 1: You see us going back and forth with our team,
Speaker 1: sometimes our guests coming pre party with us and just
Speaker 1: kind of catch all. I think the energy we set
Speaker 1: from the rip allows people to realize like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: just here to kick it like this isn't no let
Speaker 1: me stick a microphone in my face type talk. This
Speaker 1: is like then we're just gonna talk like there is
Speaker 1: no cameras. And I think humanizing our guests and them
Speaker 1: opening up that much to us has been, you know,
Speaker 1: the reason for our success. A lot of outside of
Speaker 1: us being low key dope. You hear a lot of
Speaker 1: guys that we did doing doing the remote shows always
Speaker 1: say and I still got to come in the studio
Speaker 1: because they want that vibe. That vibe. That vibe in
Speaker 1: the studio is unmashed man and and me personally, I
Speaker 1: love it too because I love being able to sit there,
Speaker 1: spend a little time with our crew talk you know
Speaker 1: what say, talk to them, vibe with them, and shoot
Speaker 1: the show. I just like being in the studio sometimes,
Speaker 1: so when when our guests come there, I know they
Speaker 1: catch that same vibe as well. Absolutely, but let's uh,
Speaker 1: let's track. I mean, obviously, like I said, we came
Speaker 1: out the gate strong, and unfortunately we're gonna start with
Speaker 1: our brother Cobe, who on January, along with Gigi and
Speaker 1: a handful of other passengers, were lost in the tragic
Speaker 1: helicopter accident man fifteen minutes from my house. Um, it
Speaker 1: was heartbreaking. Um, but I think the one thing that
Speaker 1: what special was we were one of his last interviews,
Speaker 1: if not his last interview, and um, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of being able to reflect on that and have him
Speaker 1: open up the way he did for everyone else to
Speaker 1: see our interaction we had with them and what the
Speaker 1: vibe and energy was, Like, I was glad we were
Speaker 1: able to bring that to our fans. Yeah, man, I'm
Speaker 1: getting emotion I think thinking about him, and I might
Speaker 1: just admired Kobe so much from a kid to a
Speaker 1: grown man man, and and just to just to get
Speaker 1: the love the love from him the time for the
Speaker 1: interview and just to know how proud he was of us. Bro.
Speaker 1: I think every time I just think about him, is
Speaker 1: he I get emotional because, like I said, I admired
Speaker 1: him so much, and for him to tell us that
Speaker 1: he was proud of us, man, for what we were doing,
Speaker 1: what everybody expected us not to be doing. I think
Speaker 1: that meant a lot to me. And I know our
Speaker 1: fans appreciate. You know, the conversation we had with him
Speaker 1: as well. We'll be able to talk about Jordan and
Speaker 1: other things like the McDonald's game. To the McDonald's game.
Speaker 1: You had to sneak that in there. You were like
Speaker 1: a kid in the game when we left that ship.
Speaker 1: You had all the new colors that you have, the
Speaker 1: whole new color You asked for it and got it.
Speaker 1: Your begging section, that was the fastest begging section turnaround
Speaker 1: we've ever had in the history of all the smoke.
Speaker 1: Well that and you know what, I should have ended
Speaker 1: it there, because everybody else just led me on. You
Speaker 1: know what I said, Kobe, Kobe, Kobe the only one
Speaker 1: that listened to me. Man, He listened to me, He
Speaker 1: felt my pain, and he made it happen on site. Man,
Speaker 1: that's the moment. I'm glad we was able to get
Speaker 1: the footage. Man, you said, I posted on my page.
Speaker 1: That's about my whole on too, Bro actually to shout
Speaker 1: out read it to read Man a great woman, you know,
Speaker 1: she was kind of the person that made to happen.
Speaker 1: And it was a tough time for her too, because
Speaker 1: she had decided, after being in l A and working
Speaker 1: and transporting back and forth for Code, that she was actually, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, gonna retire from working with Code, and they
Speaker 1: were like family. Red has been around for a long time,
Speaker 1: so I know that part was already hard on her.
Speaker 1: And then to see what happened, you know, so I
Speaker 1: think it's always good we're checking on her and see
Speaker 1: how she's doing. She send us some pictures on the
Speaker 1: year anniversary we shot the show, which wasn't too long ago,
Speaker 1: but big shout out to Reda. We love you, we
Speaker 1: appreciate you, We're here for you. UM Rest in peace
Speaker 1: to Kobe g G and everyone else who was lost
Speaker 1: on that flight. Um transitioning to there. It was a
Speaker 1: soleber moment at the All Star Game, which wasn't long
Speaker 1: after that, but that's when we made our debut as
Speaker 1: our first in studio show, which was crazy. Uh. We
Speaker 1: were fortunate enough to have Kevin Garnett, who's I still
Speaker 1: to this day like his energy when he spoke and
Speaker 1: even in back in the green room before we were
Speaker 1: getting ready to go, like gives me goose bumps just
Speaker 1: thinking about to me, that was one of my favorite
Speaker 1: interviews man. You know, like Matt, these are guys that
Speaker 1: we compete it against, but we looked up to you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, so so to sit down to them,
Speaker 1: to hear some of the things that he was thinking
Speaker 1: about some of the combos. And then again every time
Speaker 1: we see me want of the guys they give us
Speaker 1: our props. And to give props from guys you look
Speaker 1: up to to, your big from your big brothers, it
Speaker 1: means a lot, bro and that and that that that's
Speaker 1: just motivation to us. And what did what did KG say?
Speaker 1: I need some of them more? Uh pre roles? You
Speaker 1: need some of them pre roles? Yeah, some of them
Speaker 1: U NB seven League pre roles. We got you kJ Man.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you. Yeah, that's that's that that blue slush.
Speaker 1: Yeah nice. But anyway, man, like I said, I think
Speaker 1: it was a great fun, energy, fun crowd. To be
Speaker 1: able to do it where he played high school ball
Speaker 1: apt and be at the All Star Game. The one
Speaker 1: thing that tripped me out. Was obviously we got love
Speaker 1: and respect as players, but when we went into the
Speaker 1: All Star Game, that the energy and focus on us
Speaker 1: was like I was like, that's when I kind of
Speaker 1: realized we had made it because motherfucker's were yelling all
Speaker 1: the small from the stands, the fans were, the media
Speaker 1: has swarmed us like we had just made the All
Speaker 1: Star Game. Like that was kind of the surreal, kind
Speaker 1: of kind of like coming to it because to keep
Speaker 1: it real, I love doing this podcast, but I'm not
Speaker 1: really entrenched in the podcast space. I don't really understand
Speaker 1: the magnitude of how big podcasts are. But that was
Speaker 1: kind of like a damn, Like people are working with us,
Speaker 1: like they're they're yelling all the smoke from the stands,
Speaker 1: like not even if someone yelling our name, but people
Speaker 1: are just yelling all the smoke, and I'm like, Yo,
Speaker 1: we've arrived. Bro walking and walking into the arena, I
Speaker 1: felt like the year after we beat Dallas, how it
Speaker 1: was in San Francisco, we were felt like rock stars.
Speaker 1: They were everybody was naming all the smoke, even even
Speaker 1: even the exactly exactly how the players was, even they
Speaker 1: were on the way to practice, every player made their
Speaker 1: way to come back and speak to us and how
Speaker 1: they let the show want to be on the show. So, man,
Speaker 1: whatever whatever we're doing, you know what I'm saying, we
Speaker 1: gotta keep it going to our team. Man, wherever direction
Speaker 1: y'all guys going, Man, let's keep going this right direction,
Speaker 1: because that I have to agree with you on that, Matt.
Speaker 1: The All Star Game, let me know that what our
Speaker 1: show was doing was what everybody wanted. Absolutely, man, absolutely So.
Speaker 1: Then All Star Game we had into the shutdown of
Speaker 1: the world, which was crazy because I was in New
Speaker 1: York working for UM for ESPN that particular day and
Speaker 1: we start hearing COVID the president is kind of downplaying
Speaker 1: no one's really taken it serious. And I literally was
Speaker 1: on the air on the air that morning on first
Speaker 1: take and I think, get up when the NBA had
Speaker 1: canceled the season, and then it was almost like a
Speaker 1: domino effect of the world shutting down, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So it was just an interesting time. I
Speaker 1: never thought in my lifetime we would be in a
Speaker 1: situation where kind of a pandemic has has not at
Speaker 1: that time, was on the way of ravaging our country
Speaker 1: and killing hundreds of thousands of people. Um, so we're
Speaker 1: kind of locked up dealing with that, and then we
Speaker 1: run into in May. Uh, your brother, so when you've
Speaker 1: known for over twenty plus years, was you know, his
Speaker 1: life was taken buy some podcast, cops and from there.
Speaker 1: I don't think even you saw this coming, but you know,
Speaker 1: you were the face of of movement that that shook
Speaker 1: the world. You know, fifty states, uh, eighteen countries that
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, and the biggest protests in
Speaker 1: the history of the world the United States for sure. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I know it's a tough topic, but but
Speaker 1: but take it back because actually today it's kind of
Speaker 1: special to you're doing something for his daughter. But take
Speaker 1: us back to May. Uh when all this broke loose. Well, well,
Speaker 1: what's funny was when you was working ESPN when everything
Speaker 1: shut down, I was in New York to doing something
Speaker 1: with Gary Payton. So we both was in New York
Speaker 1: at the same time. And uh and yeah, and we
Speaker 1: both flew back, you know, during the same time. It
Speaker 1: was that was that was crazy. But it was just
Speaker 1: a crazy time, man. You know, it took it took
Speaker 1: us all off all caught us all off guard. Um.
Speaker 1: We never We've seen a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: police brutality going on in the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: We've seen, uh, you know, the war against the black
Speaker 1: man going on for a while, But nobody ever thought
Speaker 1: it would be somebody who they call a twin. Nobody
Speaker 1: thought it would be you know, you never really take
Speaker 1: it that serious till it hit your doorstep. And that's
Speaker 1: sad to say. But to get to know and to
Speaker 1: see somebody who I was real close to the only
Speaker 1: person I consider my twin in this whole world. Um,
Speaker 1: it changed my life. And I'll be the first to
Speaker 1: say it. You know, it changed my life in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways, you know, as far as the way
Speaker 1: I think, the way I moved religion wise, a lot
Speaker 1: of things have changed, you know. I've I've taken on
Speaker 1: the role of being a father to his daughter, um
Speaker 1: and and and being a brother to to to her mother. Um.
Speaker 1: And it's made me a better person because you know,
Speaker 1: the things that are important in life and things that
Speaker 1: are important to other people. You know, I'm I'm caring
Speaker 1: about and I'm putting other people you know, opinions and
Speaker 1: feelings you know before mine. Even when I went to Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Speak up from my brother. Leaving the courthouse, I saw
Speaker 1: so many other older women whose sons have been from
Speaker 1: police brutality and things like that, but they didn't have
Speaker 1: a voice. So I end up being their voice. So
Speaker 1: my my life has changed completely, dog, but I'm happy
Speaker 1: it did change. And like you said, today is something
Speaker 1: special with Johanna's birthday, and uh, we're doing something big. Yeah,
Speaker 1: happy birthday to Gig. We're doing a big We're flying
Speaker 1: out to Allanta and doing a big surprise birthday party
Speaker 1: for that she has no idea about, so you know,
Speaker 1: and when when with no applause. Man, I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: my brother's keeper. You know what I'm saying. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to keep my word. If something had happened to you,
Speaker 1: God a bit, I would do the same thing for you, bro,
Speaker 1: so and I know you would do the same for me.
Speaker 1: So um, God, God, God don't make mistakes. Man. Everything
Speaker 1: happened for a reason. But the good thing about it
Speaker 1: is we are getting changed. You know, they're changing laws
Speaker 1: that change. They're changing the the the no knock, the
Speaker 1: no knock um warrants that that they're they're changing the choke,
Speaker 1: the chokehold, the way they arrest people, and and and
Speaker 1: when people start to resist. So it's a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff that that has changed. But we have a long
Speaker 1: way to go, man, And I commit in YouTube for
Speaker 1: doing your part as well, because I didn't just get
Speaker 1: this done by myself if I had brothers like you
Speaker 1: supporting me. It's a lot of INNBA players, Bro, that
Speaker 1: didn't get behind me because they was worried about losing things.
Speaker 1: But one thing about you and Showtime were the first
Speaker 1: people to call me to support me and get behind me.
Speaker 1: So I'm failving down with y'all. Bro. Yeah, absolutely, I
Speaker 1: mean and it was special, you know, as as your friend,
Speaker 1: as your brother to kind of sit and watch you
Speaker 1: do your thing. And I think this you like you
Speaker 1: found your calling, you know what I mean, to be
Speaker 1: able to see how passionate you are about these people,
Speaker 1: how much you care about these people, how your boots
Speaker 1: on the ground with these people. But then actually getting
Speaker 1: a chance, you know, a little while ago, to go
Speaker 1: out there with you in Memphis and really see the
Speaker 1: joy it brings to you and and and how passionate
Speaker 1: you really are about this and your goal to touch
Speaker 1: all fifty states and really try to make a difference. Um,
Speaker 1: I think it's beautiful, man. So I definitely commend you
Speaker 1: on your on your new space. I think you're a
Speaker 1: new person. You've hit on it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You're on your religious thing, you're on your educational thing,
Speaker 1: and you're a real leader and appun appealer in the
Speaker 1: community and in a voice for the people. Um. And
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of a somewhat of a new
Speaker 1: role for both of us with this platform exactly like
Speaker 1: what you know, what we say now, like we really
Speaker 1: have to watch what we're saying, because like we are
Speaker 1: a voice or a pair of voices now for our
Speaker 1: culture who people lean on and turn to to address
Speaker 1: not only sports but life. And I think that's what's
Speaker 1: beautiful is because we're so much more than athletes. Obviously
Speaker 1: we made our way and got here because of basketball,
Speaker 1: but we're man first and foremost, and to be able
Speaker 1: to see all the other stuff that that that that
Speaker 1: obviously that we're passionate about that we but we that
Speaker 1: we can directly have a hand in and and changing
Speaker 1: it's special, you know. So uh you know we're we're
Speaker 1: not there. Uh, it didn't take us We didn't get
Speaker 1: here overnight. We're not going to get out of here overnight.
Speaker 1: But I definitely feel like, um, we're heading in the
Speaker 1: right direction. So since we're talking about that, then you
Speaker 1: say you got admirations of being a mail one day too. Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta I'm gonna keep that in your mind.
Speaker 1: I don't want you to forget about that, bro, Come on, no,
Speaker 1: that's not going to where you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like I said, when you when when you were in
Speaker 1: the streets, you know that I was. I was up
Speaker 1: here at the state capital Sacramento talking to politicians and sacked,
Speaker 1: talking to politicians in l A meeting with the Black Caucus,
Speaker 1: you know, help you know, being a part of getting
Speaker 1: the George Floyd Justice and Policing Bill Act UM out
Speaker 1: and known and visual and getting that in your mind
Speaker 1: and the things to the the no knock warrants, the you know,
Speaker 1: the choke holds, lynching um, police immunity, all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff like that was a kind of I was
Speaker 1: doing the kind of the political side of it, you know.
Speaker 1: And then you know, me being able chance to you know,
Speaker 1: get a chance to talk to Biden and asking the
Speaker 1: tough questions about the uh you know, the crime bill
Speaker 1: and his plan if he is elected president to right
Speaker 1: his wrong you know. I mean all that kind of
Speaker 1: stuff is important to me, just as it important is
Speaker 1: to you to be in the streets. Is that important
Speaker 1: to me? I just it was so far away from me.
Speaker 1: I knew I had to do something, So that was
Speaker 1: kind of my way of giving back. But I think,
Speaker 1: like I said, we you know, you did what you did.
Speaker 1: I did what I did, But it was for we
Speaker 1: had the same goal with the same mission, you know,
Speaker 1: which is changed and bettering our people. We had a
Speaker 1: lot of dope guests. Um, you know, the NBA decided
Speaker 1: to go to the bubble and we'll get there. But
Speaker 1: you know, we started doing this remote ship and uh
Speaker 1: we had some amazing Yeah. Like you said, I mean
Speaker 1: all the remote guests, I want to say at least
Speaker 1: ninetent of I'm saying, like, yo, I gotta I want
Speaker 1: to come in studio, and so I want to just
Speaker 1: shout out our remote guests real quick. Uh, so bear
Speaker 1: with me. We had Chris Paul, We had Dion Sanders
Speaker 1: Primetime my favorite, one of my favorite games. We had
Speaker 1: little a Little Wayne Jr. Ryder has some crazy stories
Speaker 1: for us. You know, my man pac Man Jones, UM coach,
Speaker 1: Mark Jackson, the Rookie of the Year, John Morant, uh
Speaker 1: O g Gary Payton, great session with Draymond green Man,
Speaker 1: great session with Draymond Green. That was one of my
Speaker 1: favorite ones. Who else do we have? We had, uh
Speaker 1: John Wall, John Wall, Troy had Trey Young, John Wall,
Speaker 1: Steve Nash, Jason Tatum, Um, Penny Hardaway Box, Yeah, Jamie Fox,
Speaker 1: t Mac, Vince Carter, Bradley Beal, Kim Griffey Jr. You know,
Speaker 1: like the list what Earl Spence Jr. The list was.
Speaker 1: I mean it's hard, you know, it's hard to name
Speaker 1: all of them, but like you said, it's crazy that
Speaker 1: now first we had to kind of go find people. Now,
Speaker 1: like people really want to come on our show, and
Speaker 1: I just think, you know, it's the tip of the
Speaker 1: cap to you and obviously what we're doing as a team,
Speaker 1: because like I said, they knew us as players, and
Speaker 1: we've been able to move in this space and carry
Speaker 1: ourselves and and and and still be about our morals
Speaker 1: and principles and succeed in the media space. That's that
Speaker 1: that's nasty, you know, what I mean, Like, you see Kyrie,
Speaker 1: Kyrie doesn't really want to talk to the media, and
Speaker 1: I feel that although it's his obligation and they're probably
Speaker 1: gonna play games and try to find them. Like the
Speaker 1: media has kind of always been like kind of a
Speaker 1: bad analogy because as players were not criminals, but like
Speaker 1: criminals talking to cops, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: they're like, we really didn't funk with the media, and
Speaker 1: I think that what we're doing and you know, shout
Speaker 1: out to the Knuckleheads and Q and d Miles, We're
Speaker 1: starting to show people like, you know, we can tell
Speaker 1: our stories and and and and paint our pictures and
Speaker 1: change the narratives that you know, for so long that
Speaker 1: we just had to live with. And that's why I'm
Speaker 1: so thankful for Showtime and and all the smoke and
Speaker 1: having you as a partners, because like we're showing people
Speaker 1: that are like, Okay, hey, shoot, if they could do it,
Speaker 1: why can't we do it? And that's what we want
Speaker 1: to see because we need to see more people like
Speaker 1: us in our space telling our stories because everyone else
Speaker 1: is always telling our stories with their paintbrushes. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: we when we first started recording doing the pandemic and
Speaker 1: going remote. Man, listen, I was getting so many calls
Speaker 1: from other shows and other people asking, Hey, man, what
Speaker 1: template y'all using? Uh, y'all using zoom like everything, everything
Speaker 1: shout out the show time. We had all this stuff
Speaker 1: from the jump, but everybody was calling, Man, how y'all,
Speaker 1: how y'all doing y'all show now? So you know, we
Speaker 1: really we really stepped it up, you know, salute to
Speaker 1: the team. We really stay ended up doing that time. Man.
Speaker 1: I think that that time where everybody was sitting at
Speaker 1: home with nothing to do, we gave them entertainment, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We we we gave we We gave
Speaker 1: them information, we gave them tears, we gave them laughs,
Speaker 1: we gave them everything during that time when they couldn't
Speaker 1: leave the house. And I think everybody was tuned in. No,
Speaker 1: I I completely agree, you know, um is what was
Speaker 1: needed at the time. And then you know, kind of
Speaker 1: almost fast forward into the bubble, which I think was
Speaker 1: good for us too, because you and I and we've
Speaker 1: talked about it before the sheaveing hit. We can agree
Speaker 1: but still respect each other. We can agree without disrespecting
Speaker 1: each other. Because you were against the bubble for your reasons.
Speaker 1: I was for the bubble for my reasons. We talked
Speaker 1: it out, we talked on the show, we talked about
Speaker 1: it on other shows, but we had a completely for
Speaker 1: our experience, Like you're on the ground. I mean, you see,
Speaker 1: you know that there's much more obviously important things in basketball.
Speaker 1: But then for me what I'm doing and connecting and
Speaker 1: realized we need to get our voice and our message
Speaker 1: out and no bigger platform to do within the NBA.
Speaker 1: That's why I was pro, you know. I mean, so
Speaker 1: we went back and saw each other side and respect
Speaker 1: to each other side, and you know, to me, the
Speaker 1: bubble was a success outside of seeing great basketball. You know,
Speaker 1: they continue to push the envelope, they continue to push
Speaker 1: their messages. Now we've got their owners doing stuff, and
Speaker 1: I think there's still more good to come out of
Speaker 1: them going out there and playing. But like I said,
Speaker 1: it was just one time where this is something completely knew,
Speaker 1: like that the world was in shambles and basketball coming
Speaker 1: back was really a big debate, and and people were
Speaker 1: mad that the guys went back and played and and
Speaker 1: and and they were called certain things. But to me,
Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day. Looking back,
Speaker 1: I think they made the right decision. Um, I think
Speaker 1: we made, you know, a good decision by supporting them
Speaker 1: and and and and helping people understand the bigger picture
Speaker 1: of what's going on. And then just as important as
Speaker 1: your movement, I mean, like your movement hasn't stopped, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like you said, your goal is
Speaker 1: that hit all fifty states. So just because the season
Speaker 1: stopped and now it's about to start, you've been in
Speaker 1: motion the whole time, with your movement and continuing to
Speaker 1: push your word, um, along with the rest of the people.
Speaker 1: And that nobody I love and respect more than you, bro.
Speaker 1: And one thing I've learned from you, you it's it's
Speaker 1: always two ways to look at things, and I've always
Speaker 1: been open to learn, you know, even when we sit down,
Speaker 1: you know, with be Eric or anybody shows, I'm still
Speaker 1: learning from people. So I understood that even though that
Speaker 1: I felt the way that I felt, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I understand it's a different side to look
Speaker 1: at it. And as time passed, I understood what you
Speaker 1: meant because I've seen it. It actually happened, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, the them them being in the Bubble and
Speaker 1: Lebronum doing it, it got worldwide wide attention. So so
Speaker 1: I was able to understand that because I've seen it.
Speaker 1: But you know, at the end of the day, it's
Speaker 1: a sensitive subject. It's it's real sensitive because so a
Speaker 1: lot of people think it's so easy to get equality.
Speaker 1: It's so easy. Really it is when you when you
Speaker 1: just treat people how you want to be treated and
Speaker 1: don't look and don't look at color. So it's really,
Speaker 1: it really is easy. But at the same time, so
Speaker 1: much has been built up, So much has been built up,
Speaker 1: and so much hate has been created, you know, towards
Speaker 1: people that just treating somebody the way you want to
Speaker 1: be treating it's not good enough. Some more you have
Speaker 1: to knock so many walls down. So what we're gonna
Speaker 1: do it, man, We're gonna do it together. No, definitely,
Speaker 1: And like you said, it is that's it's as simple
Speaker 1: as that. And I had a situation with the boys
Speaker 1: when I was talking to them, to them about George
Speaker 1: Floyd and you know, a white cop killed the black person.
Speaker 1: And then I asked the boys, um, are you are
Speaker 1: Are you born hating or you taught to hate? And
Speaker 1: they kind of pondered for a second. I remember what
Speaker 1: one said there, like you're taught to hate, right, like absolutely,
Speaker 1: just like you're taught to love. And then one was like, well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to teach Ashton how to love. And
Speaker 1: that's really it's really Although Ashton is crazy and tries
Speaker 1: to fight everyone, it's really that simple. You know. It's
Speaker 1: what you pour into that cup, especially as children, and
Speaker 1: it starts his youngest children, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So for us to make any kind of change, man,
Speaker 1: we have to erase I mean, color is always gonna
Speaker 1: be not saying a race color, but just a race
Speaker 1: those bear like at the end of the day, we're
Speaker 1: human and that's the only where we're gonna move forward.
Speaker 1: And it sounds simple, but like you said, just hundreds
Speaker 1: of years have built up hate for no reason, has
Speaker 1: slowed down the process. But I definitely think we're heading
Speaker 1: the right direction. Man. We kicked off season two and
Speaker 1: picked up where we left off in season two. We've
Speaker 1: been acquired a few accolades here and there. You know,
Speaker 1: we've been nominated for, uh you know, are we one
Speaker 1: Best Athlete Generated um content from a publication. We've been
Speaker 1: nominated for a few more. So it's kind of to me,
Speaker 1: it's gratifying, you know what I mean. It's like people
Speaker 1: are kind of starting to recognize us, and I think
Speaker 1: the more people tune in and get to know us, uh,
Speaker 1: the more of those kind of accolades will come. But
Speaker 1: it's been fun to kind of see like here and
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, like you got nominated over its Spotify
Speaker 1: or I heard or all these different places obviously shout
Speaker 1: out I hardened black Effects for our partnership, um, but
Speaker 1: it's fun like to kind of sit back and see
Speaker 1: and see our hard work being recognized. Man. It's it's
Speaker 1: just an honor to to be in the same category
Speaker 1: with names like the barstool Ringer, Hollan, I heard all
Speaker 1: of them. It's it's an honored up being the same
Speaker 1: category with these guys. But one thing we got to
Speaker 1: remind the guys at the studio. By time we get
Speaker 1: back in studio, make sure some champagne, because we're gonna
Speaker 1: have some more stuff to celebrate. Absolutely, man, we want
Speaker 1: to continue to to build, you know, I mean, we
Speaker 1: want to add new new uh parts to our show,
Speaker 1: new segments. You know, We're we're in We're in talks
Speaker 1: to teaming up with a with a couple of other
Speaker 1: companies to kind of uh expand our viewership in the
Speaker 1: type of the age demographics. So we're continuing to try
Speaker 1: to you know, evolve this show, um to really because
Speaker 1: we feel like we have something to say, you know,
Speaker 1: so as many eyeballs in the ears as we can
Speaker 1: get on it, um, I think, the better. So the
Speaker 1: best is definitely yet to come. Um. We're closing out
Speaker 1: the year with some big hitters. Uh. You know that
Speaker 1: Paul George episode. Uh, people were waiting for and and
Speaker 1: and thank you. Obviously Paul, he took some heat from
Speaker 1: the interview. But to me, you know, people want to
Speaker 1: know what's going on inside of our heads. And then
Speaker 1: when we tell you you you give the players ship,
Speaker 1: which always trips me out. But I don't think obviously
Speaker 1: that's gonna stop our guests from continuing to tell their truths,
Speaker 1: which we love. But you know, we got a nice lineup.
Speaker 1: But you know, we started with Paul George, We got
Speaker 1: Demarja Rosen, we got Rondo, the Mari's Daughter Mayer interview
Speaker 1: was a blast Tomy, Uh, Mike Rapper, poor Um, Jim Gray,
Speaker 1: Jim Gray and the stories he was telling. Man, I was,
Speaker 1: I was hypnotized. I was one of those interviews where
Speaker 1: I kind of lost my place because this guy is
Speaker 1: telling us legendary stories about his first interview with Muhammad
Speaker 1: Ali and and and and interviews of Mike Tyson and
Speaker 1: and integral details between Shack and Kobe Man. So make
Speaker 1: sure you guys checked that Jim Gray episode coming out soon.
Speaker 1: UM shout out the little homie Kelly Oubre. He was
Speaker 1: someone who actually we just dropped to. He's with the
Speaker 1: Warriors now. So we've had a good close out to
Speaker 1: the year. And and like I said, I think one
Speaker 1: not only for this show, but for the world is
Speaker 1: gonna be better. We you know, we the sun wouldn't
Speaker 1: feel so good if it wasn't for the rain. And
Speaker 1: it seems like it's although it hasn't been. It's it's
Speaker 1: literally been raining the whole But like you said earlier, man,
Speaker 1: we made it out. Uh, the sun is gonna rise
Speaker 1: in one and we're gonna be on the horizon. Man.
Speaker 1: One thing about it. P g PG wasn't worried about
Speaker 1: the heat because he had a two hundred million dollar
Speaker 1: fan coming his way. Talk to him. Believe that talk
Speaker 1: to him. He really cool right now, the two you
Speaker 1: can say what ever you want about that. The shout
Speaker 1: at the gym grad though, Man, I'm to my family,
Speaker 1: come on our show for for him to talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, about about the brawl and me having me
Speaker 1: in his in his book. I think just having him
Speaker 1: on the show, how much he admired our showing what
Speaker 1: we're doing. But let's just like that to come on
Speaker 1: our show one one thing, but but to give us,
Speaker 1: you know, our flowers to at the same time. Man,
Speaker 1: it was just it was just a great feeling. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, that's the best part because like
Speaker 1: I said, we know of Jim grand of ows respecting him,
Speaker 1: and then obviously with most of our guests, we're friends
Speaker 1: with them or know him. But you know, once we
Speaker 1: start digging and getting to like that's when you really
Speaker 1: find out who they are. That that's still exciting to me.
Speaker 1: Like I didn't realize the caliber of legend of that
Speaker 1: that that Jim Gray is, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: with all the awards and accolades and his span of
Speaker 1: being able to have players trust them for as long
Speaker 1: as they have, like I said, which is very hard
Speaker 1: to do to starting with Muhammad Ali. But if Mohammed
Speaker 1: Ali stamps you, you shouldn't have no problem, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So that was a great episode, so
Speaker 1: make sure you guys stay tuned for that. So looking
Speaker 1: one man, we just hope to continue to bring you
Speaker 1: guys the best of us. Obviously we're rocking when birch now,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna have our merch. We're gonna do some
Speaker 1: cool stuff to get like our real real fans involved.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Jack, maybe making do like an all
Speaker 1: the smoke tattoo contest or something, because I'm ready to
Speaker 1: get it tatted on. We were down for life, so
Speaker 1: we're gonna be really creative and outside the box in
Speaker 1: hopefully the world will start coming back to some sort
Speaker 1: of normalcy so we can start doing contests to have
Speaker 1: you guys shadow us for the day or come up
Speaker 1: to the studio. So we really want to start opening
Speaker 1: up these doors and showing you what it's like behind
Speaker 1: the scenes and and keeping you in heard and engaged. Uh.
Speaker 1: We continue to hope to raise the bar and and
Speaker 1: have meaningful conversations in one with some of you guys
Speaker 1: favorite people. So you know down below when you see
Speaker 1: this tag who you want to see in one? I
Speaker 1: know I want to see who are some of the
Speaker 1: people you want to see. I'm gonna start thinking of
Speaker 1: my listen, who are some of the people you want
Speaker 1: to target. I definitely want to see Regina Hall on
Speaker 1: the show first and fore most happy. I think it
Speaker 1: was just her birthday, right, happy birthday? Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: gotta get for you too. Also, uh, also, I want
Speaker 1: to see I want to I want to see more rappers, man.
Speaker 1: I want to see fit to Say and I want
Speaker 1: to see jay Z. I want to see, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to see Chard drink a little more. I
Speaker 1: want to see some of the young rappers little baby
Speaker 1: uh me goes. You know, so I want to get
Speaker 1: the younger generation on this year. I'm with that doctor,
Speaker 1: doctor dres uh. You know. I want to see Magic Johnson.
Speaker 1: I want to see Obama. I want to talk to Biden.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to I want to talk to
Speaker 1: more women. You know, we've only talked to a hand
Speaker 1: to Mika Mallory. We gotta get to make a rabbit,
Speaker 1: gotta get you. Gotta get Tamika on there. You know.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to athletes. I want to talk
Speaker 1: to social justice fighters. I want to talk to actresses.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to female mcs. I want to
Speaker 1: talk to Cardi B, Nicki Minaj. Who else is out
Speaker 1: there right now? Sweet Megan the Stallion. I want to
Speaker 1: talk to people like that because, like I said, I
Speaker 1: think we have our fan base now, and our fan
Speaker 1: base is rocking with us, so you know, I want
Speaker 1: to keep it fresh. So whether it's athletes, musicians, actors,
Speaker 1: social justice fighters, whoever it is, I think we could
Speaker 1: bring a good conversation to the table. So um man,
Speaker 1: we appreciate all the love and support. Has been some ship.
Speaker 1: We've lost some real important people, but like I said,
Speaker 1: one is on the horizon. The sun is coming out
Speaker 1: and all the smokers are gonna be there to lead
Speaker 1: the way. So we love you guys, We appreciate you guys,
Speaker 1: and we'll see you guys next year. Sir. This is
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