1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: Back Man, Season two of All the Smoke. We got 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: a real special guys, what's up with your Brodie? With 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: the virtual handshake, I'm gonna tell you something that I 6 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: never told go back, I want to smoke. Welcome Back 7 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: to All the Smoke. The end of the year, Rundown 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: Man has been crazy Jack, to say the least, a 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: crazy one. But we still here, my brother, We're still 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: for a real reason. Unfortunately, one of the things I 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: had a good time doing last year was was the 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: Christmas tree skit with you trying to hop the fence 13 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: and me smelling trees and you cutting that bitch crooked. Unfortunately, 14 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: due to the pandemic in California being shut down, we're 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: not gonna be at the Christmas tree hunt this year. 16 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 1: But it's still gonna be a good holiday. Yeah, man, 17 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: as long as everybody's healthy, everybody's happy. I think that's 18 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: the biggest thing. It's been a tough year, but think 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna end it off on a happy, healthy, joyous note. 20 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: And we can't cut the trees, but you know, we 21 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: got a lot of good stuff coming for the new year. Absolutely, 22 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: so you know, we got started late in nineteen came 23 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: out the gates screaming in um, just a list who 24 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: we had out the gates to take our fans back. 25 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 1: We came out the gates with Kobe rest in peace. 26 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: Obviously we're going to get to him in depth. Carry Champions, 27 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Kevin Garnett, DeMarcus Cousin, Jamal Hill, 28 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: Ai Snoop, Paul Pierce, Shannon. The list was incredible. Man, 29 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: When I think back and read that and just kind 30 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: of process all that, like, it's crazy to think that 31 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: we've had all these people and much more many people 32 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: didn't name on our show the first year. Man, to 33 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: start off like that, I think, you know, it was 34 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: a blessing. But it showed also not only the support 35 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: we had, but how a show like this was needed, 36 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: you know, because so so many people wanted to come 37 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: on our show and say things that they couldn't say 38 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: on a platform. So uh, I also thank them, but 39 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: I think everybody needed our show as well. I've been 40 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: doing a lot of other people's podcast you know, kind 41 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: of since our stuff taken off. And the one thing 42 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: that I didn't even realize because we, like I said, 43 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: we were doing it because we just wanted to get 44 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: out here and talk. Our ship is we're kind of 45 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: opening doors for other people, you know. Brandon Marshall spoke 46 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: on that. You know, we're kind of paving the way 47 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: for like real fun in depth and serious at times, 48 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: but but a great conversation from two people that don't 49 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 1: really hold anything back. And I think, um, the perspective 50 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: we have obviously from our guests, but our ability to 51 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: make our guests feel comfortable and talk to talk to 52 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: us like we're not on camera. I think that's been 53 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: kind of like our secret sauce. Yeah, it's been beautiful. Man. 54 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: You don't have to wear a mask on our show, 55 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: you know, me and you have two guys. What you 56 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: see is what you get with us. We were emotions 57 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: on our sleeves, so we don't hide nothing. People know 58 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: we're being real authentic. So people they love to come 59 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: on the show and be the be their authentic sales, 60 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: and I think that's what we welcome. Yeah, I mean, 61 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 1: although this this remote, it's kind of cool. I prefer 62 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: obviously the in person, but just because once you come 63 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: to the studio, whether it be in Santa Monica or 64 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: in New York, you feel the vibe. You hear the music, 65 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: you see the food, you see the smoke in the air, 66 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: You see us going back and forth with our team, 67 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: sometimes our guests coming pre party with us and just 68 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: kind of catch all. I think the energy we set 69 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: from the rip allows people to realize like, Okay, I'm 70 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: just here to kick it like this isn't no let 71 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: me stick a microphone in my face type talk. This 72 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: is like then we're just gonna talk like there is 73 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: no cameras. And I think humanizing our guests and them 74 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: opening up that much to us has been, you know, 75 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: the reason for our success. A lot of outside of 76 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: us being low key dope. You hear a lot of 77 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: guys that we did doing doing the remote shows always 78 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: say and I still got to come in the studio 79 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: because they want that vibe. That vibe. That vibe in 80 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: the studio is unmashed man and and me personally, I 81 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,119 Speaker 1: love it too because I love being able to sit there, 82 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: spend a little time with our crew talk you know 83 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: what say, talk to them, vibe with them, and shoot 84 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: the show. I just like being in the studio sometimes, 85 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: so when when our guests come there, I know they 86 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,279 Speaker 1: catch that same vibe as well. Absolutely, but let's uh, 87 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: let's track. I mean, obviously, like I said, we came 88 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: out the gate strong, and unfortunately we're gonna start with 89 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: our brother Cobe, who on January, along with Gigi and 90 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: a handful of other passengers, were lost in the tragic 91 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: helicopter accident man fifteen minutes from my house. Um, it 92 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: was heartbreaking. Um, but I think the one thing that 93 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: what special was we were one of his last interviews, 94 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: if not his last interview, and um, you know, kind 95 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: of being able to reflect on that and have him 96 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: open up the way he did for everyone else to 97 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: see our interaction we had with them and what the 98 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: vibe and energy was, Like, I was glad we were 99 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: able to bring that to our fans. Yeah, man, I'm 100 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: getting emotion I think thinking about him, and I might 101 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: just admired Kobe so much from a kid to a 102 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: grown man man, and and just to just to get 103 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: the love the love from him the time for the 104 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: interview and just to know how proud he was of us. Bro. 105 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: I think every time I just think about him, is 106 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: he I get emotional because, like I said, I admired 107 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: him so much, and for him to tell us that 108 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: he was proud of us, man, for what we were doing, 109 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: what everybody expected us not to be doing. I think 110 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: that meant a lot to me. And I know our 111 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: fans appreciate. You know, the conversation we had with him 112 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: as well. We'll be able to talk about Jordan and 113 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: other things like the McDonald's game. To the McDonald's game. 114 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: You had to sneak that in there. You were like 115 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: a kid in the game when we left that ship. 116 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: You had all the new colors that you have, the 117 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: whole new color You asked for it and got it. 118 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: Your begging section, that was the fastest begging section turnaround 119 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: we've ever had in the history of all the smoke. 120 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: Well that and you know what, I should have ended 121 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: it there, because everybody else just led me on. You 122 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: know what I said, Kobe, Kobe, Kobe the only one 123 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: that listened to me. Man, He listened to me, He 124 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: felt my pain, and he made it happen on site. Man, 125 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: that's the moment. I'm glad we was able to get 126 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: the footage. Man, you said, I posted on my page. 127 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: That's about my whole on too, Bro actually to shout 128 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: out read it to read Man a great woman, you know, 129 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: she was kind of the person that made to happen. 130 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: And it was a tough time for her too, because 131 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: she had decided, after being in l A and working 132 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: and transporting back and forth for Code, that she was actually, uh, 133 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: you know, gonna retire from working with Code, and they 134 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: were like family. Red has been around for a long time, 135 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: so I know that part was already hard on her. 136 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: And then to see what happened, you know, so I 137 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: think it's always good we're checking on her and see 138 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: how she's doing. She send us some pictures on the 139 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: year anniversary we shot the show, which wasn't too long ago, 140 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: but big shout out to Reda. We love you, we 141 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: appreciate you, We're here for you. UM Rest in peace 142 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 1: to Kobe g G and everyone else who was lost 143 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: on that flight. Um transitioning to there. It was a 144 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: soleber moment at the All Star Game, which wasn't long 145 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: after that, but that's when we made our debut as 146 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: our first in studio show, which was crazy. Uh. We 147 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: were fortunate enough to have Kevin Garnett, who's I still 148 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: to this day like his energy when he spoke and 149 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: even in back in the green room before we were 150 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: getting ready to go, like gives me goose bumps just 151 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: thinking about to me, that was one of my favorite 152 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: interviews man. You know, like Matt, these are guys that 153 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: we compete it against, but we looked up to you 154 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, so so to sit down to them, 155 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: to hear some of the things that he was thinking 156 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: about some of the combos. And then again every time 157 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: we see me want of the guys they give us 158 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: our props. And to give props from guys you look 159 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: up to to, your big from your big brothers, it 160 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: means a lot, bro and that and that that that's 161 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: just motivation to us. And what did what did KG say? 162 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: I need some of them more? Uh pre roles? You 163 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: need some of them pre roles? Yeah, some of them 164 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: U NB seven League pre roles. We got you kJ Man. 165 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: We appreciate you. Yeah, that's that's that that blue slush. 166 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: Yeah nice. But anyway, man, like I said, I think 167 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: it was a great fun, energy, fun crowd. To be 168 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: able to do it where he played high school ball 169 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: apt and be at the All Star Game. The one 170 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: thing that tripped me out. Was obviously we got love 171 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: and respect as players, but when we went into the 172 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: All Star Game, that the energy and focus on us 173 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: was like I was like, that's when I kind of 174 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: realized we had made it because motherfucker's were yelling all 175 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: the small from the stands, the fans were, the media 176 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: has swarmed us like we had just made the All 177 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: Star Game. Like that was kind of the surreal, kind 178 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: of kind of like coming to it because to keep 179 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: it real, I love doing this podcast, but I'm not 180 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: really entrenched in the podcast space. I don't really understand 181 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: the magnitude of how big podcasts are. But that was 182 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: kind of like a damn, Like people are working with us, 183 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: like they're they're yelling all the smoke from the stands, 184 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: like not even if someone yelling our name, but people 185 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: are just yelling all the smoke, and I'm like, Yo, 186 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: we've arrived. Bro walking and walking into the arena, I 187 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: felt like the year after we beat Dallas, how it 188 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: was in San Francisco, we were felt like rock stars. 189 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: They were everybody was naming all the smoke, even even 190 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: even the exactly exactly how the players was, even they 191 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: were on the way to practice, every player made their 192 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: way to come back and speak to us and how 193 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: they let the show want to be on the show. So, man, 194 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: whatever whatever we're doing, you know what I'm saying, we 195 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: gotta keep it going to our team. Man, wherever direction 196 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: y'all guys going, Man, let's keep going this right direction, 197 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: because that I have to agree with you on that, Matt. 198 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: The All Star Game, let me know that what our 199 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: show was doing was what everybody wanted. Absolutely, man, absolutely So. 200 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: Then All Star Game we had into the shutdown of 201 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: the world, which was crazy because I was in New 202 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: York working for UM for ESPN that particular day and 203 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: we start hearing COVID the president is kind of downplaying 204 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: no one's really taken it serious. And I literally was 205 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: on the air on the air that morning on first 206 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: take and I think, get up when the NBA had 207 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: canceled the season, and then it was almost like a 208 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: domino effect of the world shutting down, you know what 209 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 1: I mean. So it was just an interesting time. I 210 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: never thought in my lifetime we would be in a 211 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 1: situation where kind of a pandemic has has not at 212 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: that time, was on the way of ravaging our country 213 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: and killing hundreds of thousands of people. Um, so we're 214 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: kind of locked up dealing with that, and then we 215 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 1: run into in May. Uh, your brother, so when you've 216 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: known for over twenty plus years, was you know, his 217 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: life was taken buy some podcast, cops and from there. 218 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: I don't think even you saw this coming, but you know, 219 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: you were the face of of movement that that shook 220 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: the world. You know, fifty states, uh, eighteen countries that 221 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, and the biggest protests in 222 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: the history of the world the United States for sure. Um, 223 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: you know, I know it's a tough topic, but but 224 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: but take it back because actually today it's kind of 225 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: special to you're doing something for his daughter. But take 226 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: us back to May. Uh when all this broke loose. Well, well, 227 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: what's funny was when you was working ESPN when everything 228 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: shut down, I was in New York to doing something 229 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: with Gary Payton. So we both was in New York 230 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: at the same time. And uh and yeah, and we 231 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: both flew back, you know, during the same time. It 232 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: was that was that was crazy. But it was just 233 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: a crazy time, man. You know, it took it took 234 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: us all off all caught us all off guard. Um. 235 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: We never We've seen a lot of a lot of 236 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: police brutality going on in the last couple of years. 237 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: We've seen, uh, you know, the war against the black 238 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: man going on for a while, But nobody ever thought 239 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: it would be somebody who they call a twin. Nobody 240 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 1: thought it would be you know, you never really take 241 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: it that serious till it hit your doorstep. And that's 242 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: sad to say. But to get to know and to 243 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: see somebody who I was real close to the only 244 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 1: person I consider my twin in this whole world. Um, 245 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: it changed my life. And I'll be the first to 246 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: say it. You know, it changed my life in a 247 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:24,839 Speaker 1: lot of ways, you know, as far as the way 248 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: I think, the way I moved religion wise, a lot 249 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: of things have changed, you know. I've I've taken on 250 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,599 Speaker 1: the role of being a father to his daughter, um 251 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: and and and being a brother to to to her mother. Um. 252 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: And it's made me a better person because you know, 253 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: the things that are important in life and things that 254 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: are important to other people. You know, I'm I'm caring 255 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: about and I'm putting other people you know, opinions and 256 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: feelings you know before mine. Even when I went to Minnesota. 257 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: Speak up from my brother. Leaving the courthouse, I saw 258 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: so many other older women whose sons have been from 259 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: police brutality and things like that, but they didn't have 260 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: a voice. So I end up being their voice. So 261 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: my my life has changed completely, dog, but I'm happy 262 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: it did change. And like you said, today is something 263 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: special with Johanna's birthday, and uh, we're doing something big. Yeah, 264 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: happy birthday to Gig. We're doing a big We're flying 265 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: out to Allanta and doing a big surprise birthday party 266 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: for that she has no idea about, so you know, 267 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: and when when with no applause. Man, I'm just I'm 268 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: my brother's keeper. You know what I'm saying. I'm trying 269 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: to keep my word. If something had happened to you, 270 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: God a bit, I would do the same thing for you, bro, 271 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: so and I know you would do the same for me. 272 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: So um, God, God, God don't make mistakes. Man. Everything 273 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: happened for a reason. But the good thing about it 274 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: is we are getting changed. You know, they're changing laws 275 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 1: that change. They're changing the the the no knock, the 276 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: no knock um warrants that that they're they're changing the choke, 277 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: the chokehold, the way they arrest people, and and and 278 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: when people start to resist. So it's a lot of 279 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: stuff that that has changed. But we have a long 280 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: way to go, man, And I commit in YouTube for 281 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: doing your part as well, because I didn't just get 282 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: this done by myself if I had brothers like you 283 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: supporting me. It's a lot of INNBA players, Bro, that 284 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: didn't get behind me because they was worried about losing things. 285 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: But one thing about you and Showtime were the first 286 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: people to call me to support me and get behind me. 287 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: So I'm failving down with y'all. Bro. Yeah, absolutely, I 288 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: mean and it was special, you know, as as your friend, 289 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: as your brother to kind of sit and watch you 290 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: do your thing. And I think this you like you 291 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: found your calling, you know what I mean, to be 292 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: able to see how passionate you are about these people, 293 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: how much you care about these people, how your boots 294 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: on the ground with these people. But then actually getting 295 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: a chance, you know, a little while ago, to go 296 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: out there with you in Memphis and really see the 297 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 1: joy it brings to you and and and how passionate 298 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: you really are about this and your goal to touch 299 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: all fifty states and really try to make a difference. Um, 300 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 1: I think it's beautiful, man. So I definitely commend you 301 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: on your on your new space. I think you're a 302 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: new person. You've hit on it, you know what I mean. 303 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: You're on your religious thing, you're on your educational thing, 304 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: and you're a real leader and appun appealer in the 305 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: community and in a voice for the people. Um. And 306 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: I think that's kind of a somewhat of a new 307 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: role for both of us with this platform exactly like 308 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: what you know, what we say now, like we really 309 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: have to watch what we're saying, because like we are 310 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 1: a voice or a pair of voices now for our 311 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: culture who people lean on and turn to to address 312 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: not only sports but life. And I think that's what's 313 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: beautiful is because we're so much more than athletes. Obviously 314 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: we made our way and got here because of basketball, 315 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: but we're man first and foremost, and to be able 316 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: to see all the other stuff that that that that 317 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: obviously that we're passionate about that we but we that 318 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: we can directly have a hand in and and changing 319 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: it's special, you know. So uh you know we're we're 320 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: not there. Uh, it didn't take us We didn't get 321 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: here overnight. We're not going to get out of here overnight. 322 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: But I definitely feel like, um, we're heading in the 323 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: right direction. So since we're talking about that, then you 324 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:59,479 Speaker 1: say you got admirations of being a mail one day too. Yeah, yeah, okay, 325 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta I'm gonna keep that in your mind. 326 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: I don't want you to forget about that, bro, Come on, no, 327 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: that's not going to where you know what I mean, 328 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: Like I said, when you when when you were in 329 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: the streets, you know that I was. I was up 330 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: here at the state capital Sacramento talking to politicians and sacked, 331 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: talking to politicians in l A meeting with the Black Caucus, 332 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: you know, help you know, being a part of getting 333 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: the George Floyd Justice and Policing Bill Act UM out 334 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: and known and visual and getting that in your mind 335 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: and the things to the the no knock warrants, the you know, 336 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: the choke holds, lynching um, police immunity, all that kind 337 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: of stuff like that was a kind of I was 338 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: doing the kind of the political side of it, you know. 339 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: And then you know, me being able chance to you know, 340 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: get a chance to talk to Biden and asking the 341 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: tough questions about the uh you know, the crime bill 342 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: and his plan if he is elected president to right 343 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: his wrong you know. I mean all that kind of 344 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: stuff is important to me, just as it important is 345 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: to you to be in the streets. Is that important 346 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: to me? I just it was so far away from me. 347 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: I knew I had to do something, So that was 348 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: kind of my way of giving back. But I think, 349 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: like I said, we you know, you did what you did. 350 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: I did what I did, But it was for we 351 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: had the same goal with the same mission, you know, 352 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: which is changed and bettering our people. We had a 353 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: lot of dope guests. Um, you know, the NBA decided 354 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: to go to the bubble and we'll get there. But 355 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: you know, we started doing this remote ship and uh 356 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: we had some amazing Yeah. Like you said, I mean 357 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: all the remote guests, I want to say at least 358 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: ninetent of I'm saying, like, yo, I gotta I want 359 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: to come in studio, and so I want to just 360 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: shout out our remote guests real quick. Uh, so bear 361 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: with me. We had Chris Paul, We had Dion Sanders 362 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: Primetime my favorite, one of my favorite games. We had 363 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: little a Little Wayne Jr. Ryder has some crazy stories 364 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: for us. You know, my man pac Man Jones, UM coach, 365 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: Mark Jackson, the Rookie of the Year, John Morant, uh 366 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: O g Gary Payton, great session with Draymond green Man, 367 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: great session with Draymond Green. That was one of my 368 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: favorite ones. Who else do we have? We had, uh 369 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: John Wall, John Wall, Troy had Trey Young, John Wall, 370 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: Steve Nash, Jason Tatum, Um, Penny Hardaway Box, Yeah, Jamie Fox, 371 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: t Mac, Vince Carter, Bradley Beal, Kim Griffey Jr. You know, 372 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: like the list what Earl Spence Jr. The list was. 373 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: I mean it's hard, you know, it's hard to name 374 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: all of them, but like you said, it's crazy that 375 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: now first we had to kind of go find people. Now, 376 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 1: like people really want to come on our show, and 377 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: I just think, you know, it's the tip of the 378 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: cap to you and obviously what we're doing as a team, 379 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: because like I said, they knew us as players, and 380 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: we've been able to move in this space and carry 381 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: ourselves and and and and still be about our morals 382 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: and principles and succeed in the media space. That's that 383 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: that's nasty, you know, what I mean, Like, you see Kyrie, 384 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: Kyrie doesn't really want to talk to the media, and 385 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: I feel that although it's his obligation and they're probably 386 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: gonna play games and try to find them. Like the 387 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: media has kind of always been like kind of a 388 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: bad analogy because as players were not criminals, but like 389 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: criminals talking to cops, you know what I mean. Like 390 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: they're like, we really didn't funk with the media, and 391 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: I think that what we're doing and you know, shout 392 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: out to the Knuckleheads and Q and d Miles, We're 393 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: starting to show people like, you know, we can tell 394 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: our stories and and and and paint our pictures and 395 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: change the narratives that you know, for so long that 396 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: we just had to live with. And that's why I'm 397 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: so thankful for Showtime and and all the smoke and 398 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: having you as a partners, because like we're showing people 399 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: that are like, Okay, hey, shoot, if they could do it, 400 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:25,959 Speaker 1: why can't we do it? And that's what we want 401 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: to see because we need to see more people like 402 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: us in our space telling our stories because everyone else 403 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: is always telling our stories with their paintbrushes. Yeah, when 404 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: we when we first started recording doing the pandemic and 405 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: going remote. Man, listen, I was getting so many calls 406 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: from other shows and other people asking, Hey, man, what 407 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: template y'all using? Uh, y'all using zoom like everything, everything 408 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: shout out the show time. We had all this stuff 409 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: from the jump, but everybody was calling, Man, how y'all, 410 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: how y'all doing y'all show now? So you know, we 411 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: really we really stepped it up, you know, salute to 412 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: the team. We really stay ended up doing that time. Man. 413 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,959 Speaker 1: I think that that time where everybody was sitting at 414 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: home with nothing to do, we gave them entertainment, you 415 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We we we gave we We gave 416 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: them information, we gave them tears, we gave them laughs, 417 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: we gave them everything during that time when they couldn't 418 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: leave the house. And I think everybody was tuned in. No, 419 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: I I completely agree, you know, um is what was 420 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: needed at the time. And then you know, kind of 421 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: almost fast forward into the bubble, which I think was 422 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: good for us too, because you and I and we've 423 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: talked about it before the sheaveing hit. We can agree 424 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: but still respect each other. We can agree without disrespecting 425 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: each other. Because you were against the bubble for your reasons. 426 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: I was for the bubble for my reasons. We talked 427 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: it out, we talked on the show, we talked about 428 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: it on other shows, but we had a completely for 429 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: our experience, Like you're on the ground. I mean, you see, 430 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: you know that there's much more obviously important things in basketball. 431 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,479 Speaker 1: But then for me what I'm doing and connecting and 432 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: realized we need to get our voice and our message 433 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: out and no bigger platform to do within the NBA. 434 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: That's why I was pro, you know. I mean, so 435 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: we went back and saw each other side and respect 436 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: to each other side, and you know, to me, the 437 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: bubble was a success outside of seeing great basketball. You know, 438 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: they continue to push the envelope, they continue to push 439 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: their messages. Now we've got their owners doing stuff, and 440 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: I think there's still more good to come out of 441 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: them going out there and playing. But like I said, 442 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: it was just one time where this is something completely knew, 443 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: like that the world was in shambles and basketball coming 444 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: back was really a big debate, and and people were 445 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: mad that the guys went back and played and and 446 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: and and they were called certain things. But to me, 447 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day. Looking back, 448 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: I think they made the right decision. Um, I think 449 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: we made, you know, a good decision by supporting them 450 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: and and and and helping people understand the bigger picture 451 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: of what's going on. And then just as important as 452 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: your movement, I mean, like your movement hasn't stopped, you 453 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like you said, your goal is 454 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: that hit all fifty states. So just because the season 455 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: stopped and now it's about to start, you've been in 456 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: motion the whole time, with your movement and continuing to 457 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: push your word, um, along with the rest of the people. 458 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: And that nobody I love and respect more than you, bro. 459 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 1: And one thing I've learned from you, you it's it's 460 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: always two ways to look at things, and I've always 461 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: been open to learn, you know, even when we sit down, 462 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: you know, with be Eric or anybody shows, I'm still 463 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: learning from people. So I understood that even though that 464 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: I felt the way that I felt, you know what 465 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: I'm saying, I understand it's a different side to look 466 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: at it. And as time passed, I understood what you 467 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: meant because I've seen it. It actually happened, you know, 468 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 1: you know, the them them being in the Bubble and 469 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:36,239 Speaker 1: Lebronum doing it, it got worldwide wide attention. So so 470 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: I was able to understand that because I've seen it. 471 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: But you know, at the end of the day, it's 472 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: a sensitive subject. It's it's real sensitive because so a 473 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: lot of people think it's so easy to get equality. 474 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: It's so easy. Really it is when you when you 475 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: just treat people how you want to be treated and 476 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: don't look and don't look at color. So it's really, 477 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: it really is easy. But at the same time, so 478 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: much has been built up, So much has been built up, 479 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: and so much hate has been created, you know, towards 480 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: people that just treating somebody the way you want to 481 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: be treating it's not good enough. Some more you have 482 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: to knock so many walls down. So what we're gonna 483 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 1: do it, man, We're gonna do it together. No, definitely, 484 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: And like you said, it is that's it's as simple 485 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: as that. And I had a situation with the boys 486 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: when I was talking to them, to them about George 487 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: Floyd and you know, a white cop killed the black person. 488 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: And then I asked the boys, um, are you are 489 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: Are you born hating or you taught to hate? And 490 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: they kind of pondered for a second. I remember what 491 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: one said there, like you're taught to hate, right, like absolutely, 492 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: just like you're taught to love. And then one was like, well, 493 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to teach Ashton how to love. And 494 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: that's really it's really Although Ashton is crazy and tries 495 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: to fight everyone, it's really that simple. You know. It's 496 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: what you pour into that cup, especially as children, and 497 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: it starts his youngest children, you know what I mean. 498 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: So for us to make any kind of change, man, 499 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: we have to erase I mean, color is always gonna 500 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: be not saying a race color, but just a race 501 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: those bear like at the end of the day, we're 502 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: human and that's the only where we're gonna move forward. 503 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: And it sounds simple, but like you said, just hundreds 504 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: of years have built up hate for no reason, has 505 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: slowed down the process. But I definitely think we're heading 506 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: the right direction. Man. We kicked off season two and 507 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: picked up where we left off in season two. We've 508 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: been acquired a few accolades here and there. You know, 509 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 1: we've been nominated for, uh you know, are we one 510 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:26,959 Speaker 1: Best Athlete Generated um content from a publication. We've been 511 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: nominated for a few more. So it's kind of to me, 512 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: it's gratifying, you know what I mean. It's like people 513 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: are kind of starting to recognize us, and I think 514 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: the more people tune in and get to know us, uh, 515 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: the more of those kind of accolades will come. But 516 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: it's been fun to kind of see like here and 517 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, like you got nominated over its Spotify 518 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: or I heard or all these different places obviously shout 519 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: out I hardened black Effects for our partnership, um, but 520 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: it's fun like to kind of sit back and see 521 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: and see our hard work being recognized. Man. It's it's 522 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: just an honor to to be in the same category 523 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: with names like the barstool Ringer, Hollan, I heard all 524 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: of them. It's it's an honored up being the same 525 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: category with these guys. But one thing we got to 526 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 1: remind the guys at the studio. By time we get 527 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: back in studio, make sure some champagne, because we're gonna 528 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: have some more stuff to celebrate. Absolutely, man, we want 529 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: to continue to to build, you know, I mean, we 530 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: want to add new new uh parts to our show, 531 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: new segments. You know, We're we're in We're in talks 532 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: to teaming up with a with a couple of other 533 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: companies to kind of uh expand our viewership in the 534 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: type of the age demographics. So we're continuing to try 535 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: to you know, evolve this show, um to really because 536 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: we feel like we have something to say, you know, 537 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: so as many eyeballs in the ears as we can 538 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: get on it, um, I think, the better. So the 539 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: best is definitely yet to come. Um. We're closing out 540 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: the year with some big hitters. Uh. You know that 541 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: Paul George episode. Uh, people were waiting for and and 542 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: and thank you. Obviously Paul, he took some heat from 543 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: the interview. But to me, you know, people want to 544 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: know what's going on inside of our heads. And then 545 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: when we tell you you you give the players ship, 546 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: which always trips me out. But I don't think obviously 547 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: that's gonna stop our guests from continuing to tell their truths, 548 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: which we love. But you know, we got a nice lineup. 549 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: But you know, we started with Paul George, We got 550 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: Demarja Rosen, we got Rondo, the Mari's Daughter Mayer interview 551 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: was a blast Tomy, Uh, Mike Rapper, poor Um, Jim Gray, 552 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 1: Jim Gray and the stories he was telling. Man, I was, 553 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: I was hypnotized. I was one of those interviews where 554 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: I kind of lost my place because this guy is 555 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 1: telling us legendary stories about his first interview with Muhammad 556 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: Ali and and and and interviews of Mike Tyson and 557 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: and integral details between Shack and Kobe Man. So make 558 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: sure you guys checked that Jim Gray episode coming out soon. 559 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: UM shout out the little homie Kelly Oubre. He was 560 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: someone who actually we just dropped to. He's with the 561 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: Warriors now. So we've had a good close out to 562 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,239 Speaker 1: the year. And and like I said, I think one 563 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: not only for this show, but for the world is 564 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: gonna be better. We you know, we the sun wouldn't 565 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: feel so good if it wasn't for the rain. And 566 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: it seems like it's although it hasn't been. It's it's 567 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 1: literally been raining the whole But like you said earlier, man, 568 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: we made it out. Uh, the sun is gonna rise 569 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: in one and we're gonna be on the horizon. Man. 570 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 1: One thing about it. P g PG wasn't worried about 571 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: the heat because he had a two hundred million dollar 572 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: fan coming his way. Talk to him. Believe that talk 573 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: to him. He really cool right now, the two you 574 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: can say what ever you want about that. The shout 575 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: at the gym grad though, Man, I'm to my family, 576 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: come on our show for for him to talk about, 577 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: you know, about about the brawl and me having me 578 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: in his in his book. I think just having him 579 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: on the show, how much he admired our showing what 580 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: we're doing. But let's just like that to come on 581 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: our show one one thing, but but to give us, 582 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: you know, our flowers to at the same time. Man, 583 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: it was just it was just a great feeling. Well, 584 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: I mean, to me, that's the best part because like 585 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: I said, we know of Jim grand of ows respecting him, 586 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: and then obviously with most of our guests, we're friends 587 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: with them or know him. But you know, once we 588 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: start digging and getting to like that's when you really 589 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: find out who they are. That that's still exciting to me. 590 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: Like I didn't realize the caliber of legend of that 591 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: that that Jim Gray is, you know what I mean, 592 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: with all the awards and accolades and his span of 593 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: being able to have players trust them for as long 594 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: as they have, like I said, which is very hard 595 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: to do to starting with Muhammad Ali. But if Mohammed 596 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: Ali stamps you, you shouldn't have no problem, you know 597 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: what I mean. So that was a great episode, so 598 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: make sure you guys stay tuned for that. So looking 599 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: one man, we just hope to continue to bring you 600 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: guys the best of us. Obviously we're rocking when birch now, 601 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: so you're gonna have our merch. We're gonna do some 602 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: cool stuff to get like our real real fans involved. 603 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, Jack, maybe making do like an all 604 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: the smoke tattoo contest or something, because I'm ready to 605 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: get it tatted on. We were down for life, so 606 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna be really creative and outside the box in 607 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: hopefully the world will start coming back to some sort 608 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: of normalcy so we can start doing contests to have 609 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 1: you guys shadow us for the day or come up 610 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: to the studio. So we really want to start opening 611 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: up these doors and showing you what it's like behind 612 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: the scenes and and keeping you in heard and engaged. Uh. 613 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: We continue to hope to raise the bar and and 614 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: have meaningful conversations in one with some of you guys 615 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: favorite people. So you know down below when you see 616 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: this tag who you want to see in one? I 617 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 1: know I want to see who are some of the 618 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: people you want to see. I'm gonna start thinking of 619 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: my listen, who are some of the people you want 620 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: to target. I definitely want to see Regina Hall on 621 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: the show first and fore most happy. I think it 622 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: was just her birthday, right, happy birthday? Yeah, yeah, I 623 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: gotta get for you too. Also, uh, also, I want 624 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: to see I want to I want to see more rappers, man. 625 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: I want to see fit to Say and I want 626 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: to see jay Z. I want to see, you know, 627 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: I want to see Chard drink a little more. I 628 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: want to see some of the young rappers little baby 629 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: uh me goes. You know, so I want to get 630 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: the younger generation on this year. I'm with that doctor, 631 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: doctor dres uh. You know. I want to see Magic Johnson. 632 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: I want to see Obama. I want to talk to Biden. 633 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: I want to talk to I want to talk to 634 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: more women. You know, we've only talked to a hand 635 00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: to Mika Mallory. We gotta get to make a rabbit, 636 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: gotta get you. Gotta get Tamika on there. You know. 637 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: I want to talk to athletes. I want to talk 638 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: to social justice fighters. I want to talk to actresses. 639 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: I want to talk to female mcs. I want to 640 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: talk to Cardi B, Nicki Minaj. Who else is out 641 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: there right now? Sweet Megan the Stallion. I want to 642 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: talk to people like that because, like I said, I 643 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: think we have our fan base now, and our fan 644 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: base is rocking with us, so you know, I want 645 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: to keep it fresh. So whether it's athletes, musicians, actors, 646 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: social justice fighters, whoever it is, I think we could 647 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: bring a good conversation to the table. So um man, 648 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: we appreciate all the love and support. Has been some ship. 649 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: We've lost some real important people, but like I said, 650 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: one is on the horizon. The sun is coming out 651 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: and all the smokers are gonna be there to lead 652 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: the way. So we love you guys, We appreciate you guys, 653 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: and we'll see you guys next year. Sir. This is 654 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: all a smoke A production of The Black Effect and 655 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: Our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime