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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Too Much Information,

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Speaker 2: the show that brings you the little known facts and

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Speaker 2: figures behind your favorite movies, music, TV shows, and more.

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Speaker 2: We are your professors of pop culture, your little buddies

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Speaker 2: of ludicrously detailed deep dives, your skippers of scholarly sitcom takes,

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Speaker 2: about to embark on a three hour tour of trivia.

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Speaker 1: My name's Jordan Ron Togg and I'm Alex Sigel. I

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Speaker 1: knew you were going to be excited about this one,

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Speaker 1: you weirdo. Damn it, I am. What are we doing, buddy?

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Speaker 2: Today we are looking at one of the load stars

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Speaker 2: of mid century entertainment, A show that has got to

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Speaker 2: be really, when you think about it, one of the

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Speaker 2: most instantly recognizable pieces of media we have ever examined

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Speaker 2: on the show, familiar to everyone from boomers to millennials

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Speaker 2: who came of age with Nicket Knight and TV Land

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Speaker 2: and endless TBS marathons, and then it stopped there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't really know if this crossed the chasm to zoomers.

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Speaker 2: Do zoomers know anything about this?

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Speaker 1: I will find out. Actually, no, we won't I always

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Speaker 1: ever hear from them.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking, of course, about Killigan's Island, a three hours four.

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Speaker 1: I was just gonna.

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Speaker 2: Encourse that right out of the gate, A three hour episode,

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Speaker 2: my friends.

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Speaker 1: No, folks, it won't be, I promise, Unless it will.

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Speaker 1: You got a plane to catch unless it will.

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Speaker 2: It's a show that's endlessly silly but undeniably charming in

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Speaker 2: its own gloriously kitchy way. It's fascinating to me because

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Speaker 2: it heralded the start of the high concept era of sitcoms.

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Speaker 2: You know, I mean, throughout the fifties, the airwaves have

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Speaker 2: been filled with family stories set in the suburbs or

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Speaker 2: the Old West, it must be said. But by the

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Speaker 2: mid sixties these types of shows had grown stale, and

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Speaker 2: TV execs had moved on to.

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Speaker 1: Things that were, frankly a little weirder.

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Speaker 2: You had your Fish out of Water stories like The

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Speaker 2: life like Bewitched and The Monsters and the Adams Family,

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Speaker 2: And then of course something like Gilligan's Islands, which is

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Speaker 2: oh so many things. It's a farcical social commentary about

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Speaker 2: seven vastly different people starting civilization anew. It's a fascinating

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Speaker 2: look at lost souls who bring the trappings of the

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Speaker 2: modern world to a tropical paradise. And it's also Asaphia

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Speaker 2: and horror story about us, troubling as groundhog Day, where

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Speaker 2: attempts at salvation are thwarted by an idiot in a

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Speaker 1: Heigel, what do you think about Gilligan's Islands? You know what,

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Speaker 1: maybe the younger generations will glom onto it. And now

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Speaker 1: the bucket hats have on ironically come back around. I'm wait,

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Speaker 1: I am counting the days for like, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if the cut like who would publish the thing that

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Speaker 1: like bucket hats are back. No, I mean they've already

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Speaker 1: run that. But I mean, like, you know Gilligan, like

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Speaker 1: Gilligan fit check. Did you know that Gilligan Loki had

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Speaker 2: Loki swag?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Loki swag.

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Speaker 2: It's such an aesthetically disgusting time.

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Speaker 1: Sure is what are my thoughts on Gilligan's Island? Null?

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Speaker 1: I mean that that makes sense, and you know what,

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Speaker 1: in that you mentioned succinctly as the aforementioned like millennial

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Speaker 1: know it was definitely uh, I'm actually Adam Sandling Monster's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so of the Nicked Knights stuff, I was more

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Speaker 1: dedicated longtime TMI fans know of Jordan and I shared

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Speaker 1: fascination with Laurel Canyon and the Fringe theory of Laurel

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Speaker 1: but I'm cross referencing it two with two very bizarre books.

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Speaker 1: And how did we get onto that, Jordan? Oh, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: But that was started to get subverted by as you said,

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Speaker 1: I forgot the rich people. You would yeah, exactly. They

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Speaker 1: you know, the Apple podcast reviews where they're like Heigel

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Speaker 1: or you know any of that stuff that's that doesn't

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Speaker 2: From the surprisingly high brow origins of this decidedly low

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Speaker 2: of the skins final days, here's everything you didn't know

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Speaker 2: about Gilligan's.

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Speaker 1: Island, doesn't light this candle.

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Speaker 2: Gilligan's Island was the brainchild of Sherwood Schwartz, the awesomely

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay maybe one day at this point? Why not?

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Speaker 1: But that's the joke. I turned it down and took

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Speaker 2: But again it was really good because I'd have forever

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Speaker 2: Any questions, Yeah, I'd do anything for you.

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Speaker 2: Ultimately, the role of Gilligan went to actor Bob Denver,

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Speaker 2: the great great grandson of James William Denver, for whom Denver,

435
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 2: Colorado is named far out Denver, Colorado.

436
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: That do ending for you. So they definitely killed a

437
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: lot of Indians if you're named after Colorado or at

438
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: least Buffalo. Oh yeah, certainly. Man. Well, all right, blood,

439
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: you know, America's soaked in the blood of not white people.

440
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 2: And you could even argue that Gilligan's colonizing another place,

441
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 2: hence Gilligan's islands.

442
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 1: Hell, yeah, let's go, let's go there. Yeah. Uh.

443
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 2: Despite playing two of the most notorious screw ups in

444
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 2: television history, Bob Denver is kind of a serious dude,

445
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 2: no less of an authority than the Professor himself. Russell Johnson,

446
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 2: who will talk about later. The guy who played the

447
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 2: Professor admitted to me TV. Bobby Denver was the opposite

448
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 2: of the character he played. He was a school teacher.

449
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 2: He's very straight and organized, not this bumbling guy. Bob

450
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 2: wasn't like that at all. Bob Denver was pre law

451
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: before shifting to acting. Gilligan was pre law to make

452
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: ends meet. Well, presumably while he was pre law, he

453
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: served as the athletic director at a school in Pacific Palisades,

454
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: coaching football, basketball, and baseball while teaching history to seventh

455
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 2: graders and math the fourth graders. Plus a night gig

456
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 2: at a post office. This is a whole brains man

457
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 2: that couldn't have been while he was in pre law.

458
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 2: Having a day gig and a night gig and being

459
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 2: pre law. That's too many things.

460
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 1: Pre Law is just a bachelor's degree, right, Yeah, but yeah,

461
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: I mean so yeah, and this was what the forties, fifties. Yeah,

462
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 1: so they just kind of waved you through, right. It

463
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: costs like two dollars back then. Come on, working at

464
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: the post office was probably harder. Yeah. When he was

465
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Speaker 1: twenty four.

466
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 2: In nineteen fifty nine, Bob Denver lan and his third

467
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: ever acting gig as Beatnik hero Maynard G. Krebs on

468
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: the Many Loves of Dobie Gillis.

469
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: Many loves, not many lives. Yeah, it would have been

470
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: better if it was many lives and it was like

471
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: a quantum leap kind of thing. Oh, like the reincarnation

472
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: of Peter Pride. How do you come up with a

473
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 1: more obscure TV reference?

474
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 4: No, that was a movie.

475
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, you would like it, though, No, I wouldn't.

476
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 2: Okay, I loved the Many Loves of w Gillis.

477
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Speaker 1: It had Tuesday weld On a big crush on Tuesday

478
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: weld h of course you did. The MAINO G.

479
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 2: Krebs character is the character that Shaggy from Scooby Doo

480
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 2: is based on. Like, he's the stereotypical Beatnick with the

481
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 2: goatee and the ragged T shirt and the bongos.

482
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, big bongos. That's like the cultural perception of Beatnick

483
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: before Nick, right, Like, and how long was that actually

484
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: a thing though before? Because here's my question about that,

485
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: and you don't forgive me for digressing, But no, beat

486
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: culture was like what early fifties to the until they

487
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: turned into hippies, right, I mean beat culture. I mean

488
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: it's it's like the hippie thing.

489
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 2: I mean the hippies were a thing underground for you know,

490
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the tip of the icebergs when it

491
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: was actually in media, but it was probably underground before

492
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 2: much longer. So I would say beat culture could have

493
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: been I mean, I'm not as steeped in that as

494
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: I am that the hippie stuff, but I would say

495
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 2: probably fifty two, fifty three, fifty four, and then it

496
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 2: started going mainstream in the late fifties, and then hippies

497
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 2: were a thing, I'd say, you know, early in the decade,

498
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 2: probably even before Kennedy was you know, I mean you

499
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 2: had student activists in your adopted hometown of Berkeley, Hay Savvi.

500
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the throw your your bodies on the wheels

501
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: of production, that famous speech. I think that was nineteen sixty. So,

502
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 2: I mean there was some crossover between the Beats and

503
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,959
Speaker 2: the hippies, but hippies I think were more animates.

504
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: Back to the this gets back to the psyop thing,

505
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: which yeah, oh now we're yeah, completely digressing, But like

506
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: you know, there are people who theorize that the hippie

507
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: movement was again the psyop to defang the very legitimate

508
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: student protesting anti war movements and the labor, the labor movement.

509
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: People talk about like the glory days of the unions,

510
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: but like that was a very specific moment in time

511
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: that was ended pretty quickly.

512
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 2: By transforming them into LSD soaked flower children who you know.

513
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: Tune in, turnout draw whatever that was. It was not

514
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: exactly a cohesive message to you know, organizing or or

515
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, war movement opposition. Anyway, that's all fascinating. I

516
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: don't know beat Nicks man, I knew that's funny.

517
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 2: I assumed you would, but jazz and poetry and.

518
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 1: I kind of just stopped with on the road. Yeah,

519
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: I like Fairlyngetty. I like some of the poets that

520
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: came out of City Lights, but yeah I didn't.

521
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 2: You're in San Francisco. Do you ever go to city Lights,

522
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 2: very famous bookstore?

523
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, Yeah. Well it's funny because we talked about

524
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: the you know, we talked about in the Big Trouble

525
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: Little China episode, Victor Wong, who's that like character actor

526
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: that my generation grew up with as like a mentor

527
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: wizard figure, and was like actually like first generation city

528
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 1: Lights Beatnick guys, which I will never get over. Uh,

529
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: what were we talking about?

530
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: Jordan we somehow managed to organically link all of the

531
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 2: hippie stuff now, all the all the hippie syeop stuff

532
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: with Gilligan's Island through Bob Denver playing this beatnik.

533
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: I'm really happy about that. I feel really good about this. Yeah,

534
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: me too, all right. So Bob Denver played this beatnik character,

535
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: man A. G.

536
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: Krebs on The Many Loves Adobe Gillis from nineteen fifty

537
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: nine until the show ended in nineteen sixty three, the

538
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: same year casting began for Gilligan's Island.

539
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: So that's Gilligan. Now we got to have John the

540
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: skip set, Yes, transition, the Skipper or as he was

541
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: known on his birth certificate, Jonas Grumby, which is mentioned

542
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: in the pilot episode and then on one other occasion

543
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: throughout the run of the series, Jordan, have you we

544
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: verified that? I believe so? Yes? Okay. As one might expect,

545
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: the Skipper is an ex navyman. There are several episodes

546
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: where he indicated that he fought in the Pacific Theater,

547
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: including the famous Battle of Guadalcanal, which he relives during

548
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: a PTSD related stress dream. In one scene of the

549
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: series had to have been played for laughs, right, yeah,

550
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: confronting that notion of trauma.

551
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: This wasn'tsh No, this was not the end of mash.

552
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 2: When he realizes it wasn't a chicken crying.

553
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, God is grim episode? Yeah yeah, just thinking about

554
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: that one again. Probably shouldn't have anyway, the comedic the baby.

555
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: Why do you make me remember that? Snap? Heal so.

556
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: According to his backstory, the Skipper met Gilligan during his

557
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: navy days and w W the Big One while while

558
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: serving on a destroyer. Together, the b bucket headed Gilligan

559
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: actually saved the Skipper's life when a depth charge got

560
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: loose and rolled down the deck would have crushed the

561
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: Skipper had Gilligan not pushed him out of the way.

562
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: Hence the skippers lifelong weird, indentured servant man Friday advisor

563
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: life partnership with the Galligan despite his clear incompetence. The

564
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: Skipper's military careers collaborated on in the two thousand and

565
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: three postmodern novel Gilligan's Wake Sephinnigan's Wake Joke, Thank you, Jordan,

566
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: that was the joke. Not officially cannon but still a

567
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: fascinating document written by Tom Carson. He posits that the

568
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: Skipper served on a pt boat with both John F.

569
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: Kennedy and Quintin McHale of McHale's Navy, which is also

570
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: a show.

571
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know Mchael's Navy. Come on, that's what

572
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: I thought. Yeah, okay.

573
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: In case anyone thought that millennials on Tumbler invented weird

574
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: fan fiction, no they did not, you postulate. This is

575
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: famously PT one oh nine, which was historically known to

576
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: be struck by a Japanese destroyer in August of nineteen

577
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: forty three, splitting the boat into causing it to explode

578
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: and ultimately sink. This is John F. Kennedy's origin story,

579
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: by the way, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kennedy and his crew

580
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: were thrown into the ocean, where they clung to the

581
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: flaming hall for some twelve hours before swimming to a

582
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: nearby island. Kennedy took the life jacket of a wounded

583
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: crew member in his mouth and swam for four hours

584
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: through crocodile and shark infested waters to the relative safety

585
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: of plum Pudding Island, a whimsically named one hundred yard

586
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: patch of land with no food or water. Over the

587
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: course of the next few days, he would make more

588
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: lengthy swims, towing his injured crewmen with his teeth. They

589
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: arrived at an island with coconuts for sustenance. Kennedy would

590
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: carve a message on a coconut shell, which he delivered

591
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: to nearby natives, leading to their rescue some six days

592
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: after the event, during which time they were also seeking

593
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: to avoid discovery by the Japanese. The only bummer in

594
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: this whole story as it relates to Gilligan's Island is

595
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: you'd think the skipper would have mentioned the other time

596
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: that he had been stranded on an island in the

597
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: South Pacific with someone who is in this timeline a

598
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: well known senator, right president President? Yeah, is Gilligan's on

599
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: current days, I would assume, yeah, okay, it's not a

600
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: period piece like an earlier to Okay. Interesting, isn't that

601
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: nuts about Kennedy? Like the PT one on nine thing? Yeah?

602
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: That is crazy. You know, like a lot of people

603
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: my age, I don't care about John F. Kennedy.

604
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: You like the dunk on JFK.

605
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun and easy. He was a weird guy. Also,

606
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, I used to am still not over you know,

607
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: his little brother coming after the Mafia you know, everyone

608
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: knows your family was made by them, and then you're

609
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: going to turn on him. Doth protest too much? Is

610
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: that kind of the feeling? Yeah? Yeah, he got what

611
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: he deserved.

612
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: Speaking of sixty syops, Oh yeah, it was the Saran

613
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: Saron Like that's like they think he was like a

614
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: CIA as st.

615
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they think that he was like mk ultrad. Yeah, honestly, dude,

616
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: Even more I read about the CIA, even the stuff

617
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: that's not redacted, the more I don't. I don't put

618
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: anything past them. Just saying that aloud puts me on

619
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: a list of some kind, right anyway, Sure, when Schwartz

620
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: initially considered casting future All in the Family star Carol

621
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: O'Connor as the Vuncular Skipper but ultimately thought better of it,

622
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: do you know what a vuncular actually means? Uncular like

623
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: an uncle? Yes, isn't that so funny? I've learned that,

624
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: like within the past couple of years. Uncle like of

625
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: uncle like good cheer as if that's like a common

626
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: a common description. Yeah, Oh, my uncle's are racist. I

627
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: don't like spending time with them, but I wouldn't I

628
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: would use it vuncular as an insult you a vuncular head.

629
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: Would you like me to cut that off? No? I

630
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: don't care if they know it anyway. According to Sherwood

631
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: Schwartz's son Lloyd, he was really struggling to find the

632
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: right actor to play the character. Inspiration struck one night

633
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: at dinner, but he heard a jovial laugh at a

634
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: nearby table. As Lloyd Schwartz relates, the Skipper was probably

635
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: the most difficult role to cast. Dad was upset because

636
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: it was getting down to the wire. He was at

637
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: a restaurant with my mother and at another table was

638
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: Alan Hale Junior, whom my dad didn't know, but he

639
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: said that's the guy based on his laugh. He didn't

640
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: approach him or anything, but the next day he told

641
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: the casting director to pursue him. Unfortunately, Hale left the

642
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: next day to film a movie called Bullet for a

643
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: Bad Man in Saint George, Utah, when he got the

644
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: casting call for Gilligan and was unable to get time

645
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: off for a screen test, so he had to sneak

646
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: off set after a day of filming, which was about

647
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Speaker 1: as eas he's actually getting off the titular Island in

648
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Speaker 1: Surviving Gilligan's Island, the incredibly true story of the longest

649
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Speaker 1: three hour tour in history. It is revealed that Hale

650
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Speaker 1: made his way to Los Angeles from Utah to read

651
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: a scene with Bob Denver via horseback, hitchhiking, airplane, and taxi.

652
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: He then reversed the process after his audition and made

653
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Speaker 1: it back to Utah just in time to resume filming

654
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Speaker 1: his Western the next day. He would later appear opposite

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Speaker 1: Clint Eastwood in nineteen sixty eights Hang Them High? Is

656
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: that crazy? Yeah? Okay, yeah, Hall all the time. He's

657
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: sort of a more genial George Kennedy. He would later

658
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: say he learned his most valuable acting lessons while working

659
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: as a vacuum salesman. I'll never get over this forty

660
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: year period in American life when you could wind up

661
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: a senator after like digging ditches and working as a

662
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: brush salesman and maybe a roused about a brief period pimping.

663
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: Was that Harry Truman like a pianist and a brothel.

664
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Speaker 1: This is like early just it's like it's all those

665
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Speaker 1: like it's also like a lot of silver age Hollywood

666
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: guys where you're like, yeah, he was a prostitute, and

667
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: also a pimp, and he dealt tie sticks to all

668
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: the freaks. And actually that I was just reading part

669
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Speaker 1: of William Burrow's Junkie the other day, and that was like,

670
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: it was like all those junkies he was hanging out

671
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: with the proto beat nick days. He was like, yeah,

672
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: these guys are you know? They were GI's And then

673
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: they maybe dealt a little penicillin and post War of France,

674
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: and then they would come back work for a carnival

675
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: and eventually they wound up hooked on heroin. That's when

676
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: I met them. Truly an amazing time in American history anyway.

677
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: Alan Hale's father was a character actor, so Hale spent

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Speaker 1: many hours on Hollywood studio backlots as a kid watching

679
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: his father work. He also saw other stars of that

680
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: era at work, one of whom was Oliver Hardy, famous

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Speaker 1: of the Laurel and Her Partner of a partner of

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Speaker 1: a guy named Laurel Stan Laurel Right, h yes, nailed it. Yeah,

683
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Speaker 1: that's the next sentence. Great job. Oliver Hardy was famous

684
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Speaker 1: for breaking the fourth wall, a look of exasperation aimed

685
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Speaker 1: directly at the camera whenever his partner Stan Laura would

686
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: do or say something particularly dim witted, a move Hale

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Speaker 1: would borrow on Gilligan's Island and which has been winnowed

688
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: down in recent memory to just jim face from there.

689
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, yeah, that's the only time I think

690
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Speaker 1: we could ever force a Laurel and Hardy reference onto

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00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 1: the career of John Krasinski. Hale also played a guest

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Speaker 1: role in nineteen sixty two episode of The Andy Griffith Show,

693
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Speaker 1: in which he refers to Don Knott's character Barney Fife

694
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Speaker 1: as little Buddy on several occasions. That'll come back later.

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Speaker 1: He brought that to the role. I would be so

696
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Speaker 1: pissed off if someone started calling me that. No one

697
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Speaker 1: ever will. Don't you get any ideas? Also, Alan Hale

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Speaker 1: Junior is only forty two in the first season of

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Speaker 1: Gilligan's Island, which is astounding. Recently on Twitter the picture

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Speaker 1: of Roy Kinnear, the actor not to be confused with

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Speaker 1: current actor Rory Kinnear Roy Kanear Ruger Salt's dad in

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00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: Willy Wonko thirty eight. That's terror. Oh, I hate that.

703
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Speaker 1: I hate that. Yeah, that's horrifying. Wow, it really is crazy, man,

704
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 1: You got like Brad pitt is like hotter than ever,

705
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Speaker 1: like pushing sixty sixty. Oh he is sixty yeah yeah,

706
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Speaker 1: And you got these guys that are half dead in

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Speaker 1: their mid thirties.

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Speaker 2: And he died falling off a horse on the set

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Speaker 2: of Terry Gilliam's Ill Fitted Man, a Lamasha.

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Speaker 1: Movie that he never finished. That's how I want to

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Speaker 1: go out, falling off a horse on a keyxotick literally

712
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Speaker 1: kyhotic unfinished movie. Ideally buy an acclaimed British director, but

713
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Speaker 1: it's like Nolan right, there's like not that many other

714
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Speaker 1: good British directors, Guy Richie's kind Jack a Shark. Oh no, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: He fell off the horse making The Return of the Musketeers.

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Speaker 2: That was filmed with director Richard Lester, who directed The

718
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Speaker 2: Beatles two scripted movies, A Hard Day's Night and Help,

719
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Speaker 2: and Roy Kaneer was starting Help with the Beatles.

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Speaker 1: I retract my statement. I would no longer like to

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Speaker 1: go out like that. Yeah, sorry, I know. That's why

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Speaker 1: I felt very necessary to get that in there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Next up we have Thurston Howell the Third described show

725
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: Lore as a cunning, ruthless businessman known as the Wolf

726
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Speaker 2: of Wall Street.

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00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: I did not make that up.

728
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 2: In the pilot episode, the radio announcer reading the name

729
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 2: of the lost Castaways refers to mister Howell as a billionaire,

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Speaker 2: which would put him on par with Howard Hughes and

731
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Speaker 2: John D. Rockefeller, the latter of whom became the world's

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Speaker 2: first confirmed US billionaire in nineteen sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like a trillion dollars today. There's a lot

734
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Speaker 1: of money today. Yes, I love this.

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Speaker 2: At one point during the show, when someone asks how

736
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Speaker 2: he fared during the Great Depression, Thurston Howell Third's wife

737
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Speaker 2: says that he was a billionaire, lost most of his

738
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Speaker 2: money in the crash, and then quote became just a millionaire.

739
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 1: How angry are you right now? Yeah, I'd kill that dude.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess at a certain point, like you

741
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Speaker 1: had he would I mean, you have to acknowledge that

742
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: he would be your best chance of getting off the island,

743
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: right because like these guys have private security people looking

744
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Speaker 1: for him. But I would say, after I knew that

745
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Speaker 1: he had contacted someone who would get us off the island,

746
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: then I would kill him. Probably his wife too, just

747
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Speaker 1: to feel something.

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Speaker 2: Among Howell's assets were a diamond mine, a coconut plantation,

749
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Speaker 2: a railroad, an oil well, and forty acres in Colorado,

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Speaker 2: which included all of downtown Denver before I mentioned Denver,

751
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Speaker 2: friend of the show, End of the Pond Denver.

752
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, all that stuff was super racist. Man, like you

753
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: said in the sixties, Like that's still the Belgian congo era.

754
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: Oh yes, Batman did not have ethical wealth. No, this

755
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 1: is funny.

756
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: When he hears that an impostor is going to sell

757
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: off his companies for cash, He's so enraged that he

758
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: tries to swim back to the mainland three times, intent

759
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 2: on kill the man, only to be stopped by Gilligan,

760
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: the Skipper and his wife. They don't call him the

761
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 2: Wolf of Wall Street for nothing. The role of Thurston

762
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Speaker 2: Howell the Third was written especially for the late great

763
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 2: Jim Bacchus, familiar to most of us as the voice

764
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Speaker 2: of the classic cartoon character mister Magoo. Fun fact, I

765
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 2: really like this. One of his elementary school teachers was

766
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Speaker 2: none other than Margaret Hamilton, who would later play the

767
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Speaker 2: Wicked Witch of the West in the Wizard of Oz.

768
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Speaker 1: That's pretty wild, that's funny.

769
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Speaker 2: Yeah, shere Rechwarts had to get special approval from CBS

770
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 2: to meet Bacchus's high salary requirements, and once he signed on,

771
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: he was a beloved figure on the set, known for

772
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 2: his body, sense of humor and his eagerness to help

773
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 2: his fellow actors tweak a joke, develop an ad lib,

774
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: or land a punchline. Despite his cash flush status on

775
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 2: the show and his premium day rate as an actor,

776
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 2: the real life Jim Backus was notoriously tight with his wallet.

777
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Speaker 1: Jim Backus was cheap.

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Speaker 2: Don Wells, who played Mary Anne, later told The New

779
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 2: York Times he would take Natalie Shaffer, his on screen wife,

780
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Speaker 2: and I had a lunch and say, oh, I forgot

781
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 2: my wallet. I think after the first year, Natalie presented

782
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 2: him with a bill for three hundred dollars and told

783
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: him this is what you owe us. That's like three

784
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 2: grand today.

785
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: Good for her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now, of course we have to talk about missus

787
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Speaker 2: Howell Lovey a name I assumed was an affectionate nickname,

788
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Speaker 2: but apparently that's her real name, Lovey Howel.

789
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: That's so weird. This is back at the also during

790
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: the era when guys were like calling their wives mother. Mm. Yeah, weird,

791
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: weird fucking yeah yeah.

792
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: Missus Howell was played by the wonderful Natalie Shaffer, who

793
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Speaker 2: has become quite possibly my favorite character in all this

794
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: after learning about her. She was heavily in the Beverly

795
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 2: Hills real estate and was probably worth about as much

796
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Speaker 2: as her on screen character at the time, but she

797
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 2: came from a serious acting background. Between nineteen twenty seven

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Speaker 2: and nineteen fifty nine, appeared in seventeen different Broadway plays,

799
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Speaker 2: as well as landing supporting roles in numerous movies. All

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00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 2: this to say, she was experienced enough to know that

801
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 2: the pilot script for Gilligan's Island was pretty silly. According

802
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 2: to legend, she only took the job because it meant

803
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: a free trip to Hawaii, thought the thought of the

804
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 2: pilot getting picked up for a full series seemed very remote,

805
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: and when it happened, she was not pleased. I didn't

806
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Speaker 2: even want to be on Gilligan when I tested, she said.

807
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: I cried when I got the role. Apparently, she was

808
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 2: on vacation in Mexico with friends when she got a

809
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 2: telegram saying that the show had been picked up for series,

810
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: and she did literally cry, and she was so hysterical

811
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: that her friends thought she'd gotten a telegram saying that

812
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: her mother died. The funny thing about Natalie Schaeffer was

813
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: that she was extremely secretive about her age. To even

814
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: her close friends. She lied and pretended she was born

815
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Speaker 2: in nineteen twelve, which would have made her about fifty

816
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 2: one or so when Gilding Island premiered. In fact, she

817
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 2: was born in nineteen hundred, meaning she was in her

818
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: mid sixties during the production of A Gilligan's Island, to

819
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Speaker 2: which I.

820
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: Said, damn yes, yeah, spry old bird.

821
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Speaker 2: She wanted her real age to be revealed at her obituary,

822
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 2: reportedly because she wanted people.

823
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 1: To say she was howled. I love that. That's good stuff.

824
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Speaker 1: I remember back before they probably laid her off and

825
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: oh maybe had her killed. People magazine had a full

826
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Speaker 1: time research person who was in the library verifying stuff

827
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Speaker 1: for across a couple different Yeah, yeah, yeah, is she

828
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Speaker 1: still there? And I don't know she alive anyway. When

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Speaker 1: I was we had an orientation with her. I was like,

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Speaker 1: who gives you the worst trouble with like this kind

831
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Speaker 1: of verification and stuff? And she was like Mariah Carey

832
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: answered costantly, Yeah, it's like every time we print in

833
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: her real age, we hear about it. She doesn't believe

834
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Speaker 1: in time. It's even on a Wikipedia page.

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Speaker 2: It's like birthday nineteen sixty nine slash nineteen seventy, question

836
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 2: mark night, lu Schaeffer. She's got so many great anecdotes.

837
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Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty five, she told the Let's Be Beautiful

838
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: columnist Arlene Dahl that she kept in shape by swimming

839
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Speaker 2: in her backyard pool in the nude and by periodically

840
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: following her special quote ice cream diet, which consisted of

841
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: eating nothing but one quart of ice cream spread over

842
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: three meals daily. She says she would shame she would

843
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 2: lose three pounds in five days following that regimen. Did

844
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: she do well crying? Because that's like how I usually

845
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 2: get through it? Man, those old fad diets are so hilarious.

846
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 2: What was the grape birth of white wine diet?

847
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: Oh diet? Yeah? I think I was reading an either

848
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: White album or Yeah, John Diden's other one where she

849
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: talks about like if I was over one hundred pounds

850
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: or over ninety nine pounds, I would just like eat grapefruits,

851
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: drink coffee and chain smoke only until I was back underweight.

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00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: The sixties. Yeah, this was from Helen Gurley Brown actually

853
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: with Vogue nineteen seventy seven, from her nineteen sixty two

854
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: Sex and the Single Girl. Wine and Eggs diet three

855
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Speaker 1: days ballparked weight loss at five pounds. Breakfast, one egg,

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00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: hard boiled, one glass white wine dry preferably chebles, black

857
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: coffee Lunch, two eggs hard boiled as best, but poached

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00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: if necessary. Two glasses white wine, black coffee. Dinner, five

859
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: ounce steak grilled with black pepper, lemon juice, remainder of

860
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: white wine. One bottle allowed per day black coffee. Incredible,

861
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: what a country. Yes.

862
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 2: Natalie Schaeffer aka Missus Howell was clearly set instead of

863
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: about her appearance. She had it written into her contract

864
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: that there would be no close ups of her during

865
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: the show, a rule that apparently was forgotten very soon

866
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: after production began, because there are many close ups of her.

867
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: Natalie Shaeffer also reportedly didn't like her ankles, so she

868
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 2: had input in what Missus Howell would and would not wear,

869
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 2: and it was rare for Missus Howell to be seen

870
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: without pants. Let me rephrase that, you know what.

871
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: Moving on.

872
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: Despite her age, Natalie Shaeffer did nearly all of her

873
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 2: own stunts, which included jumping into the lagoon or sinking

874
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 2: in fake quicksand a badass. We stand, we surely do.

875
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break, but we'll be

876
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: right back with more too much information.

877
00:47:49,120 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 4: In just a moment.

878
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: We have now come to the professor, whose real name

879
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: in the show is Anybody Anybody, Anybody Dope? John tim

880
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 1: Sasha Roy Brinkley Jr. Okay, how do we learn that, Jordan?

881
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 2: It's in the pilot episode when the radio announcer broadcasts the.

882
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: Name of all the missing passengers from the ss Medow.

883
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: Professor was played by actor Russell Johnson, who got the

884
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: role despite the fact that he refused the producer's request

885
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: to take off his shirt during auditions. Sam yeah, uh,

886
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: former Husky kid, did he swimming swimming pools with a

887
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: T shirt on? That's what I did? Perhaps this was

888
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: because Johnson could probably said, oh, you really hit it

889
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: out of the park with the zoomer slang on this one,

890
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: Jordan wrote, Perhaps this was because Johnson could probably body

891
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: these producers. Was that because I talked about a chimp

892
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: bodying you or something? In the last episode?

893
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 2: Did yeah, yeah, Prior to his acting career, Johnson had

894
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 2: served as a bombardier bombadier bombardier bombadierda.

895
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: I assume it's bombardier like bouleverda. I always thought it

896
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 1: was bombardier. But that's my American. Yeah. In forty four

897
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: combat missions over the Pacific during WWII, the Big one

898
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: on March fourth, nineteen forty five, the B twenty five

899
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 1: he was flying as the navigator was shot down, killing

900
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: the co pilot and breaking both of Johnson's ankles. He

901
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: would earn proverbial boat load worth of medals, including the

902
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: Purple Heart and Bronze Starr. His acting career included a

903
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: role opposite future president and the anti Christ Ronald Wilson

904
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: Reagan think About It six letters in each name in

905
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty three film Law and Order, plus the nineteen

906
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: fifty five western Many Rivers to Cross co starring future

907
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: skipper Alan Hale Junior. In the aforementioned Gilligan's Wake satirical novel,

908
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: The Professor's given a backstory as one of the chief

909
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: consults in the Manhattan Project. Love It isn't doing anything

910
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, that's good stuff. It is. Who was

911
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: that guy? Who's this who's this scamp who wrote Gilligan's Wake.

912
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I think he was like an Esquire columnist

913
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, that tracks well.

914
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: From darkness, we come to the lightness of mary Anne.

915
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 2: Everyone loves Marianne or Marianne Summers, as it says on

916
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 2: her birth certificate. Canonically she has a farmer's daughter from Winfield, Kansas,

917
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 2: a reference to Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz a

918
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: references hammered home with nods to Judy Garlands. You bichoed

919
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 2: his pigtails and Gingham dress. Oh oh, this is the

920
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 2: Gingham one.

921
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you remember mary Anne.

922
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 2: I know you remember marian although you see more of

923
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: a ginger guy, which is Brunette Marianne. That one ginger

924
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,959
Speaker 2: is oh here, okay.

925
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, see if you can keep off.

926
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 2: The whole girl next door angenue vibe from Mary Anne

927
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 2: was decided upon somewhat late, considering producers initially wanted to

928
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 2: hire Raquel Welsh for the gig, which would have been

929
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 2: a very different show. Instead, they went with Don Wells,

930
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 2: herself a former Miss Nevada nineteen fifty nine and I

931
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 2: believe a contestant in Miss America nineteen sixty.

932
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: I miss Nevada. She was a competition who was a

933
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: runner up. Like a lizard. A cactus is out there

934
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 1: other than Vegas.

935
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 2: Her dad owned an early strip hotel, the Las Vegas Thunderbird.

936
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: I believe.

937
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 2: Mary Anne was a fan favorite on the show. She

938
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 2: was especially popular with soldiers fighting abroad for truth, justice

939
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 2: and the American Way, and mid tier sitcom characters. Apparently,

940
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 2: Don Wells revealed in a Forbes interview, many vets from

941
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 2: Vietnam have said that Marianne kept them going, kept them positive,

942
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 2: and focused on returning safely.

943
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: Jacket it and jacket it and jacket it good, jack it. Well,

944
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: they kept my picture in their helmets.

945
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 2: I have the utmost respect for what it takes to

946
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: be one of America's finest, and I'm very thankful for

947
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 2: what they do. Filthy dun dun dun, dun, dun, dun, dun,

948
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 2: dun dund.

949
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: Push zoom on it on. A big Midwestern corn fed

950
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: guy just hunched over a pile of charred skeletons in

951
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 1: the middle of a rice paddy just furiously pounded it

952
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: to this whole.

953
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 2: Girl on a I guess as much as I hate too.

954
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: Later the sort of related note. Okay, oh man. Although

955
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: it's widely believed that you were not allowed to show

956
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: women's navels on American TV in the sixties, people famously

957
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: cite shares the first in the early seventies, that was

958
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: not the case, at least for Maryanne or Ginger on

959
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 1: Gilligan's Island. This was an actual network edict.

960
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 2: Which Sherwood Schwartz amusingly described in his Gilligan's Island book.

961
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 2: The CBS censors would allow belly button exposure in one

962
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 2: scene as long as the character covered her navel in

963
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 2: another scene, even if she was wearing the same outfit.

964
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: Puritanical sixties for you, Yeah, I mean that was like

965
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: an ankle in the Victorian era, right, yeah, God, guy

966
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: over that. Yeah.

967
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 2: Good for her by guys, you mean you no via

968
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 2: a Vietnam h.

969
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: Oh Yeah, people committing atrocities, Yeah for sure. But back

970
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: to Mary Anne, who kept her character's famous short shorts

971
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: for the rest of her life. I really liked that.

972
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: Good for her.

973
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was a favorite on the show. Even recent

974
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: online polls show her ranking number one on the favorite

975
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 2: list for the castaways on Gilligan's Island, followed by Gilligan himself,

976
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: and sadly missus Howell was at the very bottom.

977
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: Oh I know, yeah, yeah, Bummer, I'm sorry, Bud. That's okay.

978
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: I know she meant a lot to you.

979
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 2: Uh, not to pit women against one another, but the real,

980
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 2: but the real fandom rivalry was between mary Anne and

981
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:25,720
Speaker 2: fellow Gilligan's Island starlett Ginger Grant, played by Tina Louise.

982
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 2: Don Wells had a good sense of humor about the rivalry,

983
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 2: even admitting that she sometimes wore a T shirt that

984
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 2: someone had given her that read Ginger or mary Anne

985
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 2: the ultimate dilemma.

986
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: Gross. Then again, Marianne can afford.

987
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 2: To laugh about this because she was always the winner

988
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 2: between the two, and she puts it. You can go

989
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 2: anywhere and say Ginger or Marianne. You don't even have

990
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 2: to say what the show is, and everybody gets it,

991
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 2: and I always win.

992
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: And this is true. Bob Denver said in a two

993
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: thousand and one interview that don Wells received somewhere between

994
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: three thousand and five thousand fan letters weekly, whereas Tina Louise,

995
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: who played Ginger, may have had fifteen hundred to two thousand.

996
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: That is tough, tough, Dahoe.

997
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 2: Dun Wells likely took a certain degree of pleasure in

998
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 2: Marianne's triumph over Ginger, because.

999
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: In real life there was some strain between her and

1000
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: the actors who played Ginger.

1001
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 2: That is Tina Louise, who, as much as I hate

1002
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 2: to say it is sort of the villain of this episode.

1003
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I know she meant a lot too.

1004
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 2: To play Ginger Grant, her name a combination of Ginger,

1005
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: Rogers and carry Grant.

1006
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: Producers initially wanted.

1007
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 2: To cast a real life movie star, the silver medalist

1008
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 2: of fifties blonde bombshells, Jane Mansfield, now most.

1009
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: Famous for that picture of Sophia Lauren looking angrily at

1010
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: her cans.

1011
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 2: Before getting decapitated in the car accident. And she wasn't decapitated.

1012
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 2: That that was the myths.

1013
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 1: That was the Hollywood Babylon Ask myth. Didn't that actually

1014
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: happen to Isabelle somebody like a f misdancer?

1015
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 2: Duncan is about her star sunk yeh Off got caught

1016
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 2: in the car and drove off, And I don't know

1017
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 2: if it decapitated.

1018
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: Her, It just strangled her. It got close, probably just

1019
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 1: hanging by a thread.

1020
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 2: She had some kind of create like parting line or

1021
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 2: last words or something lovely day for her drive farewell,

1022
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: my friends, I go to glory.

1023
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty metal. Was this as she was choking

1024
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: to death or as she was getting into the car.

1025
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 2: She wore a long, flowing, hand padded silk scarf, a

1026
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 2: gift from her friend, The mother of American filmmaker pressed

1027
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 2: in sturges, that's weird. As I departed, she reportedly said Pharaoh,

1028
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 2: my friends would go to glory. Her silk scarf, draped

1029
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 2: around her neck, became entangled in the wheel well round

1030
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 2: the open spoked wheels and a real axle, pulling her

1031
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 2: from the open car and breaking her neck.

1032
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: She was taken to the hospital where she was pronounced

1033
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: dead like immediately after, she said that I assume mm hmm,

1034
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: what a way to go. That's how I'd like to

1035
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: go out, So not horseback, No, I've to victorious statement,

1036
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: followed by next snapping at high speeds, what are we

1037
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: talking about?

1038
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 2: Tina Louise Ginger from Gilligan's Island. Yes, producers nearly cast

1039
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 2: Jane Mansfield, but Jane Mansfield turned down producers a Gilligan's

1040
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 2: Island for fears that she would be typecast as a

1041
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 2: dumb blonde. I say this with all love and respect

1042
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: because she was a brilliant, well read woman. A little

1043
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 2: late for that in nineteen sixty three, after The Girl

1044
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: Can Help It in fifty seven and okay anyway, Yeah,

1045
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 2: producers went with Tina Louise, who had actually appeared alongside

1046
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 2: Jane Mansfield in the October November issue of the Fredericks

1047
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 2: of Hollywood catalog, which is sort of a forerunner of

1048
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 2: Victoria's Secret, where she was billed as Hollywood's fastest rising star.

1049
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 2: She also released Smooth Jazz records in the late fifties,

1050
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 2: back by helly legendary jazz player Coleman Hawkins.

1051
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: That doing anything for you. Yeah, he's pretty famous as

1052
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: one of the guys who pushed swing music into what

1053
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: we consider bebop and oh famous as one of the

1054
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, huge tenor saxophonies of the era. So she

1055
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: sang with him.

1056
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 2: She also was a star in Italian sword and sandal

1057
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 2: epics like the Siege of Syracuse and The Warrior Princess Cool.

1058
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I support that those things.

1059
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 2: She also appeared in the nineteen sixty four Tony nominated

1060
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 2: play Fade Out, Fade In, and also in the teen

1061
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 2: Summertime Surf Movie For Those Who Think Young, which was

1062
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 2: a blatant Pepsi cash in, alongside Nancy Sinatra, a super

1063
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 2: young Ellen Burston later to star in The Exorcist and

1064
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 2: future Gilligan star Bob Denver.

1065
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: Have you seen that one? I have? Not? No? Okay?

1066
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 2: A real sort of yin yang tragedy of her acting

1067
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 2: ambitions can be seen in the following pair of lines

1068
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 2: from her Wikipedia page. Tina Louise began studying with Lee

1069
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: Strausberg and became a member of the Actors Studio. In

1070
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty two, she guest starred on the situation comedy

1071
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 2: The Real McCoy's, playing a country girl from West Virginia

1072
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 2: in the episode Grandpa Pigmlien. All this to say, like

1073
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 2: Natalie Shaeffer, Tina Louise had worked long enough to know

1074
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 2: that Gilligan's Islands wasn't exactly high art, and she was

1075
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 2: not exactly fond of her role in it. Unlike Natalie Shaeffer,

1076
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 2: she was very bad at playing along. According to numerous reports,

1077
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 2: Tina Louise clashed with the show's producers, apparently because she

1078
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 2: was under the mistaken assumption that she was playing the

1079
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 2: main character.

1080
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: I guess her agent had allegedly pitched this to her

1081
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: as the story of an actress stranded on an island

1082
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: with six other people. Presumably he hid the fact that

1083
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: the title of the show was Gilligan's Island. There are

1084
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: stories that she tried to get out of her contract

1085
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: mid series, which would have a disastrous effect on her

1086
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: relationship with her co stars.

1087
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 2: As we'll see, she would famously be the only cast

1088
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 2: member who refused to appear in any of the post

1089
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 2: series TA movies or cartoons series. In a January nineteen

1090
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 2: sixty five edition of TV Guide, an article about Bob Denver,

1091
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 2: the star of Gilligan's Islands, mentioned the on screen tension

1092
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 2: between Tina Louise and the rest of the castaways. It

1093
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 2: was so bad that it was mentioned in contemporary interviews

1094
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 2: that's hilarious. Denver will not say why he and the

1095
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 2: glamorous Tina Louise do not get along, nor will any

1096
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 2: of the castaways.

1097
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: They just ignore her and she ignores them. Between scenes.

1098
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 2: While the other six Principles chat and tell jokes together,

1099
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 2: she sits off by herself and recently, when Denver was

1100
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 2: asked to pose for pictures with her, he adamantly refused.

1101
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 2: Denver eventually agreed to do a photo shoot with Tina

1102
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 2: Luise for the TV Guide cover in May of that year,

1103
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty five, but only of Don Wells Mary Anne

1104
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 2: was included. Then, to his immense displeasure, Wells was cropped

1105
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 2: out of the final image.

1106
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: Oh oh man, what a silly world we live in.

1107
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: Of course, while we're on the topic of characters, we

1108
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: have to mention the doomed vessel, the SS Minow, which

1109
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: in many ways could be considered the eighth lead of

1110
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: the show, above Missus Howell. I always assumed that this

1111
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: was just a cute nautical joke. I didn't Jordan always

1112
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 1: assumed that this was just a cute nautical joke naming

1113
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: a tiny boat after a baby fish. But the name

1114
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 1: is much deeper, and actually much much pettier. The Minnow

1115
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: is named after a man named Newton Minnow, who was

1116
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: at the time the chairman of the FCC. He had

1117
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: made waves hold front clause in the television world in

1118
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty one with a landmark speech entitled Television and

1119
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: the Public Interest, in which he took aim at TV

1120
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: producers for making formula comedies about totally unbelievable characters and

1121
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: creating a vast wasteland of bad television Sherbred Schwartz did

1122
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: not take kindly to this knock against his medium, so

1123
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: he named the Doomed Ship in his sitcom after Newton

1124
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 1: Minnow as an in joked these fellow TV producers. Accounts

1125
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,479
Speaker 1: seem to vary about how much Schwartz actually disliked Minno,

1126
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: but apparently the FCC chairman had a sense of humor

1127
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: about the whole thing, and reportedly the two exchanged friendly

1128
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: correspondence in the biblical sense. The boat that was used

1129
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: for the opening credits for second and third seasons of

1130
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: the show, aaka The Ones in Color, had been previously

1131
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: named the Blue Jacket, and in two thousand and six

1132
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: it was sold in Nanoos Bay, British Columbia. People came

1133
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: from all over the world to view the boat, speaking

1134
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: in hushed tones while in its presence. According to the broker,

1135
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: we wanted to know where Mary Anne slept, said one man, okay,

1136
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: leaving that one right there. The asking price where was

1137
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: ninety nine thousand dollars. Seems undervalue. It underwent a two

1138
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: year restoration by the Schooner Cove Marina, where it is

1139
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: used for charters and sightseeing tours. Who Knows if they're

1140
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: three hours on the East side of Vancouver Island. The owner,

1141
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: now doing business as Kellen Devres, equipped it with an

1142
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: old life preserver with ss Mino on it, as well

1143
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: as other items that nod to the show.

1144
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 2: Before becoming the series, We Know and Love Sherwood, Schwartz

1145
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 2: and Company filmed a pilot for Gilligan's Island in nineteen

1146
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 2: sixty three that prompatbly went missing for thirty years. Then

1147
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 2: in the early nineties, an employee of the TBS network

1148
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 2: started reading a book about the show and made some

1149
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 2: calls to the corporate office Turner Entertainment, who owned the

1150
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 2: syndication rights. Soon, the network executives fouled the negative for

1151
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 2: the pilot, which had been collecting dust for some thirty

1152
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 2: years in the archives of the Turner owned MGM United

1153
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 2: Artists Film Library. TBS then aired that episode, titled Marooned,

1154
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 2: for the first time in October nineteen ninety two. One

1155
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 2: of the biggest differences between the pilot and the final

1156
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 2: series is that the cast of Castaways featured different characters.

1157
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 2: Instead of a movie star and a Midwest farmer farmer.

1158
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 2: I don't know what Mariam was a color a farmer.

1159
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: Farmer's daughter brother. Ain't nothing wrong with that.

1160
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 2: The pilot included two secretaries.

1161
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: One was named Ginger she was played by the actress

1162
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: Kit Smythe, and the other was named Bunny and played

1163
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: by Nancy McCarthy. Nothing weird there. Also, instead of.

1164
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 2: The professor, there was a high school teacher played by

1165
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 2: a guy named John Gabriel.

1166
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: Do they have like fifth Beatle thing like Stuart Sutcliffe

1167
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: where they just like have been dining out on that

1168
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: almost being cast for their entire lives. That's a good question,

1169
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: Pete Best, I don't know. That's a good question.

1170
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 2: Another major difference here here this will interest you. Another

1171
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 2: major difference with the pilot was that it was missing

1172
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 2: the famous sea shanty theme tune. Instead, it featured.

1173
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: A rather lame faux calypso number written by number then,

1174
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: but it was written by none other than John Williams,

1175
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: the most Williams film composer of all time. Yes, he

1176
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: was still known as Johnny Williams at the time, though

1177
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: he would they would eventually lose that theme. He would

1178
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 1: continue to write incidental music for the first season of

1179
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: the show. Did we have a similar like recently acquired

1180
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: state or something with like clipse somewhere in the Caribbean

1181
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: that spurred the Calypso boom? I don't you know what.

1182
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: It might have even just been like Harry Belafonte or something.

1183
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what. Yeah, yeah, I think that is

1184
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: honestly what you can chalk it up to. But I

1185
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 1: don't know. It was a funny man, Oh yeah, for sure.

1186
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: I mean there was that whole viral TikTok thing, like, God,

1187
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: what are we in two years ago where there was

1188
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: that Elaine stretches are you having? And if Oh yeah,

1189
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: Robert mitchell as I think we've talked about on this

1190
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: show before, cut a Calypso out. Oh right, yes, yes, yes, yes,

1191
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 1: he just looks like the surliest, most hateful lounge singer

1192
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: of all time on the cover. Nothing about that man

1193
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 1: radiates island cheer. Uh you know, And maybe I'll splice

1194
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: it in here. The original GILLIGANSI Calypso.

1195
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 2: The original Calypso style Gilligan's Island theme, that is that

1196
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 2: was only used for the pilot. It was sung by

1197
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 2: Sherwood Schwartz himself. He wrote the lyrics too. He's sang

1198
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 2: it in a faux Caribbean. There it is accents.

1199
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:15,919
Speaker 1: I don't know what you can call it a black

1200
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: scent sorry gejorative.

1201
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, shockingly, there is no mention of a three

1202
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 2: hour tour, but instead a six hour ride on this

1203
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 2: early theme, which honestly makes more sense than three hours.

1204
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: Now it's pretty short. Yeah.

1205
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 3: In tropical c is a tropic port vacation. Funny is

1206
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 3: the favorite sport. This is the place where the tourist

1207
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 3: block renting the boats at TV's he talk two secretaries

1208
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 3: from USA s a this lovely day. A high school

1209
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 3: teacher is next day board while taking trip that they

1210
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 3: cannot afford. The next two people are millionaires. They got

1211
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 3: no worries, they got no cares. They climb aboard and

1212
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 3: they step inside with just enough bags for collar.

1213
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: Rid touris.

1214
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 3: Come touristool to resting too, and from.

1215
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: These five nice touries they take this trip.

1216
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 3: Relaxing on deck on this little ship, the weather is clear,

1217
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 3: and this on his hot.

1218
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: The weather is clear. I think it is not.

1219
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 2: Sure Schworts would ultimately swap out the theme tune to

1220
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 2: the more familiar one We Know and Love, presumably because

1221
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 2: the Calypso craze of the late fifties had given way

1222
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 2: to the folk group boom of the early sixties with

1223
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 2: bands like The Kingston Trio, So Schwartz wrote one of

1224
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 2: the all time great explainer themes, called the Ballad of

1225
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 2: Gilligan's Isle with composer George Wile.

1226
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: He would do the same for The Brady Bunch and

1227
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: six years later for the first season of the show.

1228
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: The song is formed buddy folk act the Wellingtons, who

1229
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: also performed the Ballad of Davy Crockett, heard in the

1230
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 1: Disney mini series of the same name, Crockett Frontier. Yeah,

1231
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: I was a Davy Crockett. I had the coonskin cap

1232
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: and everything. Yeah. I feel like and I mean this

1233
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 1: as somebody spent a lot of time in Pennsylvania's kid

1234
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: very Pennsylvania. Davy Crockett. Yeah, uh, one of the heroes

1235
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 1: of the American Southwest, wasn't he at the Alamo? I don't.

1236
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, but the coonskin hate Okay, sure we

1237
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: do have raccoons. So you were saying, oh, I was

1238
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: just trying to think of anything interesting at this George

1239
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: Wild guy uh had done. He was musical director of

1240
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 1: the Flip Wilson Hour m musical director. He was director

1241
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: in arrangements of the John Denver Christmas album with the Muppets,

1242
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 1: Fat Rules. There we go Denver to Denver, second John

1243
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: Denver reference, moving on, Let's yeah all right.

1244
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 2: Sadly for the Wellingtons, their version of the theme tune

1245
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 2: was booted for seasons two and three when Schwartz used

1246
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 2: a group called the Eligibles, but the Wellington's got a

1247
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 2: featured rule on an episode of Gilligan's Island called Don't

1248
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,719
Speaker 2: Bug the Mosquitos, where they portrayed a beatle parody group

1249
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 2: called the Mosquitoes. In another bit of Gilligan's Island's sixties

1250
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 2: pop crossover, Maryanne's singing voice on the show was dubbed

1251
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 2: by none other.

1252
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 1: Than Jackie DeShannon.

1253
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 2: Put a little love in your heart what the world

1254
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 2: needs now whenever you walk into the room, favorite of

1255
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 2: my dear friend DJJBJ.

1256
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 1: Come on you jerking the Shenon's great. Yeah, I know,

1257
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: I know her name. Good for her, I guess, I

1258
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 1: mean they probably This was like during the glory days

1259
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 1: of residuals like these people did not work again, No,

1260
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: we'll talk about me. This was right before. Oh, I

1261
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 1: guess I was talking about anyone that had a hand

1262
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 1: in the theme song. But that was also before those

1263
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 1: changes went in. Presumably hmm, maybe yeah.

1264
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 2: Part of the reason Sherwood Schwartz changed the theme tune

1265
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 2: for the later seasons is because he wanted to include

1266
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 2: the Professor and Mary Anne in the lyrics. Famously, the

1267
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 2: early version of a theme ended with and the rest

1268
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 2: after the movie Star, and this was a truly hilarious move,

1269
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 2: considering it was a show with seven people and they

1270
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 2: had already shouted out five. Just put the other two

1271
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 2: in there. Cut it for time, Cut it for time.

1272
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 2: The actors who played the Professor and Marianne had a

1273
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 2: sense of humor about this, though, and they would often

1274
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 2: sign correspondence to one another as the.

1275
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 1: Rest, which I think is cute. The first season opening

1276
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: credits are all over the place thanks to absurd negotiations

1277
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 1: by the actors agents, who wanted to earn their ten

1278
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 1: percent and stroke their clients for egos. As a result,

1279
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 1: the opening credits to the first season of Gilligan's Island

1280
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 1: are copy editor's nightmare. Bob Denver comes up first with

1281
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 1: starring Bob Denver makes sense. Alan Hale follows with no starring,

1282
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 1: just Alan Hale in his picture. Jim Beckis is next

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01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 1: with also starring and it lists his character. He's the

1284
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 1: only one who has his character listed so far.

1285
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 2: Natalie Shaeffer is next with no starring and no character name,

1286
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,719
Speaker 2: and finally it ends on and also starring Tina Louise

1287
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 2: as Ginger. So the hierarchy seems to go Jim Beckis

1288
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 2: and Tina Louise since they are both starring and have

1289
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 2: their character names listed in the opening credits. Bob Denver,

1290
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 2: who's starring but doesn't have his character name listed, and

1291
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 2: then Alan Hale and Natalie Shaeffer, who at least get

1292
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 2: their names on the screen, but poor Don Wells and

1293
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 2: Russell Johnson, who played Marianne and the Professor, get nothing.

1294
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 2: They lose good Day. This didn't sit well with Dear

1295
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:01,759
Speaker 2: Sweet Bob Denver. The show is renewed for a second season.

1296
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 2: He asked the producers to add the Professor and mary

1297
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 2: Anne to the opening credits.

1298
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 4: No.

1299
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, the producers cited a clause in Tina Louise's contract,

1300
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 2: which said that no one would follow her name in

1301
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 2: the credits.

1302
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: Oh that's so funny.

1303
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 2: Bob Denver countered by referring to a clause in his

1304
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 2: own contract which stated that he could have his name

1305
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 2: placed anywhere on the credits he wanted, and he threatened

1306
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,719
Speaker 2: to have his name moved to last place, which would

1307
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 2: be absurd for a star of the show, especially a

1308
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 2: show named after his character. So, following a new agreement

1309
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 2: with Tina Louise, a revised theme song was recorded, with

1310
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 2: Johnson and Wells taking the rightful place in the opening

1311
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 2: montage The Professor and Mary Anne, which skins so much better.

1312
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: And the rest that's such.

1313
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:51,600
Speaker 4: A weird.

1314
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: Is that the debut of that phrase? I don't know

1315
01:12:55,520 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 1: where I even picked it up? Yeah, and the rest? Yeah, man,

1316
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 1: what movie were we talking about? Was it Paul Newman

1317
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: and Clint Eastwood or Paul Newman and somebody else where?

1318
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: They like, is it Tyrang Inferno or one of those?

1319
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 1: But yes, yeah, where they jockeyed that someone's name would

1320
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: come up first, but the other guy's name would come

1321
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 1: up even though it came up second, would be come

1322
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 1: come up high higher? Yes, they were like offsetting it

1323
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 1: that way.

1324
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 2: And I think on the poster two they were at

1325
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 2: like a certain angle, like one was angled up and

1326
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 2: one was angled down.

1327
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny. What a what a weird era

1328
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,599
Speaker 1: to put so much emphasis on this stuff. I mean,

1329
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 1: you guys are all gonna die penniless, not if you

1330
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 1: invested wisely, but alone. We'll talk about that. Actually, the

1331
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:45,839
Speaker 1: only person on the show that it actually was smart.

1332
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 2: About thinking ahead and getting residuals how to start a

1333
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 2: go funding towards the end of her life.

1334
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 1: Now I'm saying, it's sad I'm caring so much about

1335
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 1: your names. I don't know. I take a note from

1336
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 1: who is It Bones McCoy, the guy from Star Trek

1337
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: who was like like didn't really act again and would

1338
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 1: just like go to fan conventions and pay all of

1339
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 1: his bills from like the fan circuit. Yeah, maybe I'm

1340
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 1: making that up. I don't know. Star Trek sucks. I

1341
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 1: tried to watch Wrath of Khan the other night. I

1342
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 1: was just like, what do people see in this? Honestly interesting,

1343
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 1: I'm sort of surprised to hear you say that. Oh my god,

1344
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: it's the action scenes in that movie are like, you know,

1345
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: composited spaceship shooting a protoscoped beam of light and then

1346
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 1: they just shake around an interior shot like how the

1347
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 1: fuck did people think this was interesting? Pro Maltimont does

1348
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 1: like half of his acting behind like a console, like

1349
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 1: it's just not good fight, don't man, I don't know.

1350
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna get Star Trek. Do you care about

1351
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 1: start other than like sort of the kitchy shatner. I

1352
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 1: grew up.

1353
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,599
Speaker 2: My dad in a very uncharacteristic move, is a big

1354
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 2: he sound a big treky, but he loves Star Trek.

1355
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 1: That would make a track, Yeah, I guess, But.

1356
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 2: He watched Next Generation a lot as a kid, so

1357
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 2: I have fun memory.

1358
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 1: The Next Generation is a good show. I mean that's

1359
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 1: supposed to be the much better on Yeah. Yeah, but

1360
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:13,759
Speaker 1: again it was one of those things where I started

1361
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 1: watching it during the pandemic and I was I reached

1362
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 1: out to front of the pod David Long, and I

1363
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 1: was like, man, I don't get it, and he gave

1364
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: me that classic like yeah, you just got to wait

1365
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 1: till like season three before it gets good. Not there

1366
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 1: are only three seasons of Star Trek. Oh no went

1367
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 1: oh oh? I thought you meant original, but yeah, he

1368
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you know, it's it doesn't really pick

1369
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,759
Speaker 1: up until like the third season. He's like, and as

1370
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 1: that's like the consensus for the show, where people be like,

1371
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: it will be like the most unutterably silly dog that

1372
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 1: humiliates you to like sit in front of it and

1373
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: actually take it in as like media and then like

1374
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: profoundly moving meditations on the human spirit. Thanks, don't have

1375
01:15:55,200 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 1: the patience for that. Man, We're all dying. Hope we're

1376
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 1: talking about speaking of dying. The pilot No, bear with

1377
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 1: me here.

1378
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 2: The Pilot was filmed in late November nineteen sixty three

1379
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 2: on the Hawaiian Islands.

1380
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: Oh, I know what is happening.

1381
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 2: They planned the film dun dundun No the sixties began, No,

1382
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 2: when the sixties began.

1383
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:24,720
Speaker 1: They've been a topical song. Times they are a changing. Yeah,

1384
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 1: on the eve of destruction. Yeah, no, sixty five, but

1385
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 1: I'll give it to you, sixty three would have been

1386
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 1: blown in the wind. Yeah. Times they are a change,

1387
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 1: and that might have been sixty four.

1388
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 2: They planned the film the ss Minos setting off on

1389
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 2: it's from his three hour tour on the morning of

1390
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 2: November twenty second nineteen sixty three from Honolulu Harbor, but

1391
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 2: the shoot was interrupted by news of President Kennedy's assassination.

1392
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 2: Rip JFK. You would have loved Gilligan's Islands. He never

1393
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:00,600
Speaker 2: got to see islands. It's that awful. A friend of

1394
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 2: mine was just talking about how and it was something

1395
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 2: that I do and I didn't know anyone else did,

1396
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 2: but he mentioned it the other day.

1397
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 1: How like I measure when I hear the various historical

1398
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 1: figures or was in relation to the Kennedy I was

1399
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 1: just like, oh, like Joseph Mangle died in nineteen seventy nine.

1400
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 2: Joseph Mengele presumably was aware of Greece, Like that's weird.

1401
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 1: Like it is, Yeah, things like that. The other one

1402
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 1: where it was like, uh, Coca cola was already a

1403
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 1: thing when Dracula came out, So in theory, Dracula could

1404
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 1: have enjoyed a coke. I love stuff like that. It's yeah,

1405
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 1: that's great. Oh.

1406
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,759
Speaker 2: So, as Lyndon Baines Johnson was sworn in as president,

1407
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 2: it was announced that all military installations, including Honolulu Harbor,

1408
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 2: will be closed for the next two days for a

1409
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 2: period of mourning. So filming of the Gilligan's Island Pilot

1410
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 2: was delayed by several days as a result, and in

1411
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 2: the opening credits, as the SS Minow cruises the harbor,

1412
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 2: an American flag can be seen flying half masts in

1413
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 2: the background, a mute tribute to a national tragedy.

1414
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ni discruction with her Barry maguire, Whatever happened to

1415
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 1: that guy? You interviewed him? Probably right, No, but I

1416
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 1: would have that seems like, yeah, it seems like a

1417
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 1: youth thing. I was just talking to Tony today about

1418
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: how I interviewed John Sebastian from The Love and Spoonful

1419
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 1: and I emailed them asking for an interview, and he

1420
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 1: called me within three minutes and was like, you wanted

1421
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 1: an interview here I am, And I was like, yeah,

1422
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:33,640
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't mean now He's like, I'm just

1423
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 1: sitting at home staring and nothing, and so.

1424
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 2: I had no questions. So I just talked to him

1425
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 2: for like an hour and then and then he just.

1426
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:46,679
Speaker 1: Kind of wandered off. That's so funny. My favorite tidbit recently, actually,

1427
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 1: the only like celebrity interview I've done really recently was

1428
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 1: John Anderson of Yes was here, like so he's writing

1429
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: a musical based on the life of Mark Chigal because

1430
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 1: in one of these bizarre things that only happens in

1431
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 1: like the bygone era, he was, I believe, introduced to

1432
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 1: Mark Chagall by Bill Wyman of the Rolling Stones, and

1433
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 1: they just became like famous friends and like they hit

1434
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 1: it off like a house on fire, whatever that phrase is.

1435
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 1: And John Anderson began, in between periods of working on

1436
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 1: Yes stuff, he was just writing a musical about Mark

1437
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 1: Chagall and his life. And one of the early workshops

1438
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 1: that he did for it recently was at the school

1439
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 1: that I worked for, the San Francisco Conservatory of Music,

1440
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 1: and yeah, but it was crazy that I got to

1441
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: interview him and I was like, you're like, you're John Anderson,

1442
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 1: but he was just like he has the most hilariously

1443
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:44,759
Speaker 1: high voice, which makes sense when you hear him sing,

1444
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,600
Speaker 1: but like not everyone with a high voice has a

1445
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 1: high speaking voice. But he got on the phone and

1446
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 1: I actually thought it was like a lady assistant because

1447
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 1: he was like, hello, is this Alex. I was like, oh,

1448
01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: this is great, and then we were just talking about

1449
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 1: like what we we're doing during the day, where I

1450
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, this is just a great man. I'm

1451
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 1: just sitting at home. I just had lunch. Now I'm

1452
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 1: talking to John Anderson of Yes, and he was like,

1453
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: as well, I was just watching Lord of the Rings. Well,

1454
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 1: I was on the treadmill that stars, sorry, stars sometimes

1455
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 1: really are just like us and in the most hilariously

1456
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 1: mundane ways. It was like extended cut. Uh yeah, good times. Okay.

1457
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: So CBS executives were not bowled over by Gilligan's pilot,

1458
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 1: but it did well enough to score well with three

1459
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 1: different sets of test audiences, the elderly, the insane, and children. However,

1460
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 1: this convinced the Brass to include the show in a

1461
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 1: fall nineteen sixty four lineup, but they wanted some changes made.

1462
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 1: First of all, they wanted to replace the three cast

1463
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 1: members who had tested the lowest with audiences once again,

1464
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 1: the audiences being chimpanzees, dogs being kept from panicking by

1465
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:01,679
Speaker 1: the TV you staying on while their owners were work,

1466
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 1: and hobos warming up in bus stations. I can give

1467
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:08,600
Speaker 1: you more more groups than three going. I can do

1468
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 1: that again. I'll splice those in. Yeah, just loop it in.

1469
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 1: John Gabriel, who played the high school science teacher Kit

1470
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 1: Smythe who played Ginger as a secretary that feels like

1471
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 1: a Star Wars villain nickname. You imagine Shatner biting into

1472
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 1: that phrase. Kit Smythe and Nancy McCarthy, who played Bunny,

1473
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 1: the other secretary. Schwartz battled with CBS President Jim Aubrey,

1474
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 1: who didn't like the idea that the Castaways would be

1475
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 1: stranded permanently aka the entire premise of the show. Has

1476
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 1: anyone positive Gilligan's island as the Bardo? Have they? I

1477
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 1: don't know, like they did Groundhog Day being the Bardo?

1478
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 1: That's interesting anyway. Eventually, Aubrey and Schwartz struck a deal.

1479
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 1: If the ratings started to tank, Gilligan and company would

1480
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 1: get rescued in a craven, ploy for ratings, and continue

1481
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 1: their exploits on the mainland. Today we call that pulling

1482
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 1: a second season of Twin Peaks. Oh or after mash

1483
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:14,680
Speaker 1: Your references are little dated, Jordan, just some notes for you,

1484
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:19,719
Speaker 1: as we could cute interminable second season. Have we ended

1485
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 1: the first? Are we dead? Who's to say? Anyway? The

1486
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 1: CBS president would eventually create his own show based on

1487
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 1: the premises of a family who operated a tropical Marina.

1488
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 1: It was called The Baileys of Balbo, and it lasted

1489
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:38,000
Speaker 1: only a single season before it was canceled. Schwartz had

1490
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:41,799
Speaker 1: to face down another CBS executive named Hunt Stromberg Junior,

1491
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 1: who hunted humans in his spare time with that name,

1492
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 1: and he felt strongly that they should have a pet

1493
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 1: dinosaur to the cast. You know what this needs? Yeah, man,

1494
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,719
Speaker 1: I love this country. We just get what we deserve.

1495
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 1: This man had more power than God at one point.

1496
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 1: Probably he probably had women killed, disappeared, certainly hookers who

1497
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 1: got pregnant via his stars. And this is just what

1498
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:12,759
Speaker 1: he did. He'd take, he took meetings, he chained, smoked,

1499
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 1: he drank, and he said, like not a dinosaur. Ugh,

1500
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 1: amazed country, Amazing century the twentieth. In his book Inside

1501
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 1: Gilligan's Island, Surewood Schwartz were called watching the show's pilot

1502
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 1: episode with Stromberg while they were being pilated, and when

1503
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 1: they got to the part where Gilligan climbs a tree

1504
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 1: to survey the island in search of resources or signs

1505
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 1: of life, Stromberg excitedly suggested that Gilligan should find a dinosaur,

1506
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 1: which he could then walk around on a leash and

1507
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 1: treat like a pet. Just picture it. Stromberg reportedly said,

1508
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 1: it's our answer to mister ed As with most ideas

1509
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:52,640
Speaker 1: that come from your boss. Schwartz did his best to

1510
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 1: humor him and pretend that they were actually considering the

1511
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 1: idea of putting a dinosaur in the show. They even

1512
01:23:57,479 --> 01:23:59,759
Speaker 1: made inquiries to Disney, who had just developed a technique

1513
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 1: seamlessly placed animated figures into live action footage. Was this

1514
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 1: Song of the South era? Or would have been?

1515
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 2: I was like twenty years earlier? It wasn't it like

1516
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 2: forty seven, forty eight?

1517
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 1: Well that was we talked about this because it was

1518
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 1: Mary Poppins. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right. Ultimately,

1519
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 1: this proved to be the saving grace for Schwartz and Coast,

1520
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 1: since the budget projections were way too high to utilize

1521
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 1: this new technology for CBS, and CBS would then hold

1522
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 1: on to the whole dinosaur bit for the nineteen eighties

1523
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 1: cartoon series Gilligan's Planet. Why the not it right in

1524
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 1: Cocaine by then, so it came back around.

1525
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 2: You know, how do you feel about that? Would you

1526
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 2: look at dinosaur on Gilligan's Island?

1527
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 1: I would absolutely for a treat. Wow, Yes for me

1528
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 1: as a treat, the dinosaur could be like maybe maybe

1529
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 1: only Gilligan could see it. I like the zoo ghost. Yes.

1530
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 1: But then in that way he could be like Gazoo.

1531
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 1: He could be like a ghost of a dinosaur that

1532
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 1: died on the island, and he would only talk to

1533
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 1: Gilligan and say things like why do they come to

1534
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 1: me to die? Gilligan, won't you stop the screams? So

1535
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, is Gilligan son of Sam and the

1536
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 1: dinosaur is the neighbor's dog father is telling me to

1537
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 1: do this? Yeah, he's the only one I didn't really

1538
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 1: buy as a CIA plant like Bob dever Oh son

1539
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 1: of Sam. Yeah, burkwoitz. But they may have he may

1540
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:28,759
Speaker 1: have been a patsy. That's the other prevalent theory among

1541
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 1: among burkeheads. As we call ourselves son of sami Ax,

1542
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 1: I'm coining that. I'm gonna start the California chapter of

1543
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:43,759
Speaker 1: the Son of samy Ax.

1544
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 2: Son of sam Anias you know, your idea is good too,

1545
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 2: son of Semania.

1546
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:52,600
Speaker 1: If you guys want to vote McCoy, get us on

1547
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 1: to Twitter. I'm at Alex underscore Higel. I don't know what,

1548
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 1: Jordan is off the top of my head. He can

1549
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 1: punch it. But just tell us what do you prefer?

1550
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 1: Son of Sam maniacs or son of Sami as it's cleaner,

1551
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 1: mine's cleaner. Anyway, h Jordan, what were you talking about again?

1552
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 2: We're talking about the lore of Gilligan's Islands. That's what

1553
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 2: we're talking about. First and foremost, we have to talk

1554
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 2: about the three hour tour, now, Zoolander Voice, Why a

1555
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 2: three hour tour? In other words, what was the reason

1556
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 2: that those five passengers set sail that day with a

1557
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 2: skipper and Gilligan. Apparently they were headed for a remote,

1558
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 2: club med style resort in Hawaii, which was owned by

1559
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 2: the Howls Consortium.

1560
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 1: They were in humans, the Howls. We're going to go

1561
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 1: for a month. Mary Anne won the trip on a

1562
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 1: radio station Sweepsteakes. She was apparently hoping to meet a

1563
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,640
Speaker 1: rich man during her two weeks stay. I've seen that

1564
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 1: the professor was going to be speaking at a convention,

1565
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 1: or he was taking some time to unwind before writing

1566
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 1: a book entitled Fun with Ferns and Ginger.

1567
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 2: I think was booked at the resort as a singer

1568
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:03,799
Speaker 2: slash performer no, No, those are tours.

1569
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 1: Those are one way destinations, a leisurely cruise out to

1570
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 1: get to the resort. I think that was the idea. Well, okay,

1571
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. Torm to me implies a circuit, a

1572
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:16,439
Speaker 1: closed loop, if you will. But that explains why they

1573
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 1: all have the suitcases of stuff. That's true, you know, Yeah,

1574
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:23,639
Speaker 1: all right, we'll work on this. Okay, we can fix this.

1575
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 1: I can fix him.

1576
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 2: In the world of the show, the titular island, Gilligan's

1577
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:32,759
Speaker 2: Island is said to be roughly two hundred and fifty

1578
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:33,879
Speaker 2: miles south of Hawaii.

1579
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 1: No what other island Jordan? Was That a necessary clarification, But.

1580
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 2: In real life, the island shown in the opening and

1581
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:44,799
Speaker 2: closing credits of the show is Coconut Island, a small

1582
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 2: outcropping in Canae Bay on the northeast shore of a Wahu, Hawaii.

1583
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 2: But we all know Gilligan's Island wasn't possible without some

1584
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 2: movie magic. The set was located on CBS's studio City lot,

1585
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 2: where an outdoor lagoon had been built. I've seen some

1586
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 2: sources say that this was the same set used for

1587
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 2: the creature from the Black Lagoon, but I don't think

1588
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 2: that's true. I thought that was in Universal, but I

1589
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 2: would like to believe that. I mean, that makes more sense.

1590
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:15,560
Speaker 2: Versail was had the money until Yeah, yeah, I was.

1591
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 1: Why do I think some of that was shot in Florida?

1592
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 2: Pretre and backlagoon? Yeah, that's funny you said that. I

1593
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:22,639
Speaker 2: thought so too.

1594
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 1: It was second unit where the under all the underwater

1595
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 1: shots were done in Florida. Why Springs, Florida? Does it

1596
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:32,599
Speaker 1: say where the lagoon set was on? Water? Scenes were

1597
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 1: filmed at Park Lake on the Universal backlot. Okay, so

1598
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 1: Lovelock Cool.

1599
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 2: Producers initially tried filming Gilligan's Island on location in Malibu,

1600
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 2: at least for some scenes, but encountered problems due to

1601
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:45,799
Speaker 2: the fog rolling in off the sea, so they moved

1602
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 2: to a studio lot. But filming at Studio City Campbell

1603
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 2: its own unique challenges. The proximity to the Ventura Freeway

1604
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 2: Venture Highway meant that they had to stop filming at

1605
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 2: rush hour due to traffic.

1606
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:02,679
Speaker 1: Sounds. Was that Eagles? Was that song? That was America? Oh?

1607
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 1: Produced by George Martin Beatles producers. I'm sure I was

1608
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 1: a great song. America is kind of great. I just

1609
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 1: know the horse song. That's kind of one of the

1610
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 1: least good songs. I hate that song. Yeah, but they've

1611
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 1: got some goods it has. It has one of the

1612
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:23,800
Speaker 1: most unforgivably stupid lyrical conceits. The heat was hot. Well,

1613
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot another to add another to that list. No,

1614
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:30,680
Speaker 1: I always hated when he says, uh, he's like cataloging

1615
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 1: things in the desert, and he says the rocks and

1616
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 1: trees and things and things. Yeah. Well, also the horse

1617
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 1: with no name, I mean, yeah, you could have just

1618
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 1: named it. Yeah, yeah, why did you let it go

1619
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 1: through that whole period? You you're in the desert, you

1620
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 1: know what much else to do? Just the most meandering

1621
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:55,960
Speaker 1: plotting like feet like that song feels turgid, like wandering

1622
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 1: in the desert. Yeah, all right, I guess they have that.

1623
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 1: That's kind of clever. Meta concept is that it feels

1624
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 1: like being dehydrated in the desert and your body shutting down.

1625
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 2: It feels like lactic acid building up in your calves.

1626
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1627
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 2: Front of the Pod Lactic Acid making TMI debut to.

1628
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:22,519
Speaker 1: First debut the show, folks, let's hear it for lactic Now.

1629
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:23,760
Speaker 1: I have to keep this whole bit.

1630
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 2: I was thinking of ways to cut her out of it,

1631
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 2: but I can't now any of.

1632
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 1: You the Pod America. It will just let you choose

1633
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 1: which one can't go wrong. During the winter months of

1634
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 1: filming on the studio back lot, the water temperature and

1635
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 1: the Gilligan's Island Lagoon would plummet to around forty degrees,

1636
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 1: which is not far off from Titanic temperatures, requiring Bob

1637
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 1: Denver to wear a wetsuit beneath his Gilligan costume. Tragically,

1638
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:55,479
Speaker 1: and this I am genuinely sad about. Fans can no

1639
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 1: longer visit the Gilligan's Island Lagoon because in nineteen ninety

1640
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:02,760
Speaker 1: five it was paved over and turned into an employee

1641
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:08,280
Speaker 1: parking lot. Literally the Joni Mitchell saw, yes, the paved paradise, and.

1642
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:14,160
Speaker 2: I think it was parking garage actually, but for our purposes,

1643
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 2: we're gonna go with parking lot.

1644
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1645
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 1: Canonically, uh, Hilariously, the US Coast Guard received numerous letters

1646
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:24,639
Speaker 1: purported to be from fans of Gilligan's Island wondering why

1647
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 1: they weren't doing anything to help those seven nice castaways

1648
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:32,880
Speaker 1: they saw on TV. Oh, apparently they thought Gilligan's Island

1649
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:38,639
Speaker 1: was a documentary, a documentary that was being broadcast by

1650
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:42,679
Speaker 1: I don't know on an astonishingly regular basis. Yes, God,

1651
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 1: this country man the leaps for that what a ah

1652
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 1: man just makes me. It makes me think of that

1653
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:52,479
Speaker 1: Carlin quote, like, think a how stupid the average person is,

1654
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:55,679
Speaker 1: and then realize that statistically half of them are dumber

1655
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 1: than that. So illuminating. I thought this was just like

1656
01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 1: an apoc full story, but I've seen numerous of course

1657
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:06,799
Speaker 1: I believe it. Yes, yes, According to the military themed

1658
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:11,799
Speaker 1: blog We Are the Mighty, Gilligan's Island producer Sherwood Schwartz

1659
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:14,679
Speaker 1: got a message from the Coastguard, followed by a series

1660
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 1: of telegrams submitted by Good Samaritans who wanted a rescue

1661
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 1: team sent out to save the SS Mino castaways at once.

1662
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:25,799
Speaker 1: The blog tracked down an example of one of these telegrams, saying,

1663
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,920
Speaker 1: for several weeks now we have seen American citizens stranded

1664
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:30,200
Speaker 1: on some Pacific island.

1665
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:33,639
Speaker 2: We spend millions in foreign aid. Why not send one

1666
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 2: US destroyer to rescue those poor people before they starved

1667
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:40,320
Speaker 2: to death? Schwartz said in an interview for the Archive

1668
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:41,480
Speaker 2: of American television.

1669
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 1: Now, who did they think was.

1670
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 2: Laughing at what was happening to these people and the

1671
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 2: whole crowd? Where do they think the music came from?

1672
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:51,439
Speaker 2: And the commercials srewd. Schwartz would go on to say

1673
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 2: that these viewers were quote delusional.

1674
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 1: And also, while I have you, what's to be done

1675
01:32:56,880 --> 01:32:59,719
Speaker 1: about this terrible planet of the apes I've been hearing about,

1676
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:03,760
Speaker 1: we landed on that before our own moon. I know

1677
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:05,680
Speaker 1: the timeline doesn't work, but we just did it last week,

1678
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 1: so I'm just it does work. It does work. Nineteen

1679
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:11,879
Speaker 1: sixty eight was when the moon was sixty nine. Yeah, okay, okay,

1680
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:17,320
Speaker 1: how fucking dumb? Oh my god? Simple folk? Or I know,

1681
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 1: what's the line from Blazing Saddles, you know, the common

1682
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:29,799
Speaker 1: people saw to the Earth? You know, morons. I maybe

1683
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 1: it was a prank, but I sort of don't think so, dude.

1684
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:35,360
Speaker 1: I guarantee you there's somebody you know in the sixties

1685
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 1: who was like, saw this and was like, they wouldn't

1686
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 1: lie to me on the TV. Those folks have got

1687
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:43,439
Speaker 1: to be really out there. Ah, what were we talking about?

1688
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 2: We're talking about the most important part of the show.

1689
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 2: Heigel getting off the islands. Yet, why couldn't the crew

1690
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 2: escape from the island or achieve completion? Who are they

1691
01:33:57,040 --> 01:34:00,559
Speaker 2: thinking of? Were they lying back and thinking of England?

1692
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:07,160
Speaker 1: Apparently? Oh it was to a Victoria, right, not one

1693
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:11,360
Speaker 1: of the Elizabeths. I'm pretty sure. Yes, yeah, you know.

1694
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 1: Obviously they had an absurd amount of supplies with them,

1695
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 1: considering they were merely on a three hour tour. Maryan

1696
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:18,759
Speaker 1: and Ginger, for example, never wore the same clothes twice.

1697
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:21,240
Speaker 1: The Professor had an expansive library, and the Howls had

1698
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:25,519
Speaker 1: all their crap. Numerous in universe reasons have been sighted,

1699
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:27,960
Speaker 1: and it all has to do with the group's own incompetence.

1700
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:31,240
Speaker 1: Blame most often falls on the Professor, as has been

1701
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:34,559
Speaker 1: off sighted by Hackey stand ups for centuries. He could

1702
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:36,920
Speaker 1: build a phone out of coconuts, but he couldn't fix

1703
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 1: a hole in the damn boat. This isn't strictly true, however,

1704
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 1: There was an episode where they attempted to use a

1705
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:45,760
Speaker 1: glue that Gilligan had accidentally discovered that came from tree sap.

1706
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:49,679
Speaker 1: Although strong, the glue turned out to be very very temporary,

1707
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:51,600
Speaker 1: and when it gave out, the boat fell totally to

1708
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:54,080
Speaker 1: pieces it's another episode where he made his own nails

1709
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:58,200
Speaker 1: shattered upon being hit by a hammer. Professor appeared to

1710
01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:01,280
Speaker 1: be unfamiliar with navigation by sale or star positions, which

1711
01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 1: would have been extremely useful determining their position. Blame also

1712
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:07,720
Speaker 1: falls on Skipper, who is nowhere near as aggressive as

1713
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 1: he could have been sexually or physically.

1714
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:15,519
Speaker 2: You mean in skippering, Yeah, and skippering the skippering of herb.

1715
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:19,760
Speaker 1: It is now to Skipper language is malleable. That's jazz baby.

1716
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:23,200
Speaker 1: It's been incited that the island needed to be roughly

1717
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 1: within five hundred miles of Hawaii, or else the castaways

1718
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:27,839
Speaker 1: would have died of thirst by the time the crippled

1719
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:30,920
Speaker 1: minnow drifted there. That's roughly three to ten days of

1720
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:35,639
Speaker 1: sailing time if a raft had been constructed with a sail.

1721
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 1: Yet this was only done once, and it failed almost immediately.

1722
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:41,400
Speaker 1: Had Skipper been a better sailor and navigator, they would

1723
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:43,680
Speaker 1: have been rescued relatively quickly, and they also met an

1724
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:46,280
Speaker 1: unusually high number of people on the island who would

1725
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:49,439
Speaker 1: have failed to notify the authorities of their location. These

1726
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 1: people are often referred to as sociopaths in online forums,

1727
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 1: and of course there's Gilligan, who simply seemed too stupid

1728
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:58,639
Speaker 1: to be held accountable for his pups. As one anonymous

1729
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:02,120
Speaker 1: forum poster notes on Quora, Uh, had Gilligan died or

1730
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:06,160
Speaker 1: been quote eliminated, the group likely would have escaped or

1731
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:08,840
Speaker 1: been rescued in short order. You think they would have

1732
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:14,040
Speaker 1: drawn straws to see who had to kill Gilligan, or

1733
01:36:14,479 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 1: they all take tens choking him so the blame would

1734
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:21,880
Speaker 1: be distributed equally. Or they all have crude coconut rigged firearms.

1735
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:23,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was gonna say one of them is

1736
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:26,559
Speaker 1: given a blank. Yeah, you know, I like that. I

1737
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:31,719
Speaker 1: like that a lot. As you meditate on that, We'll

1738
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 1: be right back with more too much information after these messages. Wow, oh,

1739
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 1: now we're going.

1740
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:46,840
Speaker 2: Now, we're going to one of my favorite sections of

1741
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:48,839
Speaker 2: the show that we have not gotten to do anywhere

1742
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 2: near as much as I thought we would have.

1743
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:53,599
Speaker 1: Heigel's fan thory corner. We should have done with apes,

1744
01:36:55,080 --> 01:37:00,839
Speaker 1: postulating wildly about apes, not the movies, just the apes,

1745
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:06,200
Speaker 1: just my theories about them and where they're going, Where

1746
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:10,680
Speaker 1: they're going? Why are they we so busy? What do

1747
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:14,320
Speaker 1: they have to do? I don't like it. There's been

1748
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:17,000
Speaker 1: a persistent rumor four years that each of the seven

1749
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:20,280
Speaker 1: castaways on Gilligan's Island represents one of the seven deadly sins.

1750
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:22,640
Speaker 1: This theory takes an even darker turn, polsulating that the

1751
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:25,080
Speaker 1: castaways actually died in the storm at the heart of

1752
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:27,839
Speaker 1: their episode, and that the island is actually a hellish

1753
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 1: afterlife where they're do to live out eternity for their sins.

1754
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:34,840
Speaker 1: That harkens back to antiquity with Dante. Each you know,

1755
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 1: level of hell is a different sin. But unlike the minnow,

1756
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 1: this theory actually holds water. Just rip that out of

1757
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:51,120
Speaker 1: the typewriter and read it over to myself and said, God,

1758
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:55,599
Speaker 1: I'm good. You've done it. A run dog, you've done

1759
01:37:55,600 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 1: it again. Uh Islands. Did you have to trim your

1760
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:07,880
Speaker 1: humored how your husy and nails down to even reach

1761
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:11,640
Speaker 1: the phone and dial my number? We've spoken on the

1762
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:16,479
Speaker 1: phone twice, three times, you know, pushing ten.

1763
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:19,439
Speaker 2: Year friendship usually when bad things are happening.

1764
01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:22,720
Speaker 1: Because someone mailed my the set of keys to my

1765
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:27,639
Speaker 1: apartment to an undisclosed location in Brooklyn. Those keys were

1766
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 1: never found. By the way, those keys were never found.

1767
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 1: We bring Robert Stack making his trademark three steps towards

1768
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 1: the camera and pause and is like, update, those keys

1769
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:40,280
Speaker 1: were never found. If you were a loved one, Okay,

1770
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:45,880
Speaker 1: you know where to the spare set of Jordan's keys are. Please, fine,

1771
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 1: please give them back to him. It's really alarming to

1772
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:50,720
Speaker 1: me that there's someone is just trying every house, at

1773
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:54,439
Speaker 1: every home in the borough to see anyway the professor's

1774
01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:57,120
Speaker 1: guilty of pride. Mister Howell was greed. Ginger is lust,

1775
01:38:57,640 --> 01:39:02,160
Speaker 1: which hey Marianne representing envy because she yearns for Ginger's

1776
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:05,320
Speaker 1: looks and lifestyle. The Skipper is supposedly at once at

1777
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:08,360
Speaker 1: both gluttonous and wrathful. Poor missus Howell doesn't have a

1778
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:11,680
Speaker 1: sin dedicated to her. I presume that she's grandfathered in

1779
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:15,200
Speaker 1: with her husband. Gilligan is, according to this theory, satan

1780
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:19,000
Speaker 1: because he satan. I don't know where I went walking

1781
01:39:19,080 --> 01:39:24,400
Speaker 1: with that, uh church lady, Yeah, or the satan because

1782
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:27,720
Speaker 1: he constantly foils the group's plans for rescue and he's

1783
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:31,759
Speaker 1: always dressed in a red He is shockingly Sherwood Schwartz

1784
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 1: nice alliteration. Bud wait a little buddy. Jordan is physically

1785
01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:44,280
Speaker 1: larger than man. He frightens me sometimes shockingly. Sherwood Shorts

1786
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:47,280
Speaker 1: went a long way towards confirming this theory. According to NPR,

1787
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:50,240
Speaker 1: he admitted that the seven Deadly Sins aspect is true

1788
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 1: and did factor into his creations with characters. Jerry's still

1789
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:57,800
Speaker 1: out on the whole Satan thing, though, saw Move noted

1790
01:39:57,800 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 1: the similarities between the Gilligan's Islands character and the nineteen

1791
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:05,400
Speaker 1: thirty nine film Five Came Back starring Lucille Ball. The

1792
01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:07,799
Speaker 1: characters in that film include a wayward pilot co pilot,

1793
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:10,160
Speaker 1: a botanist in his wife, a sultry woman with a

1794
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:13,400
Speaker 1: shady past, and a rich playboy and his homespun wife.

1795
01:40:14,120 --> 01:40:16,559
Speaker 1: This was just a plagiarism accusation. There's nothing related to

1796
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:18,840
Speaker 1: Satan in there. I don't think there's anything related to Satan.

1797
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:24,960
Speaker 1: No bummer, you know earlier speaking of death, Yes, yes,

1798
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 1: you know earlier.

1799
01:40:26,479 --> 01:40:28,759
Speaker 2: I laughed at the idea of missus Howell quote doing

1800
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:31,479
Speaker 2: her own stunts. But there were actually more risks involved

1801
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:34,559
Speaker 2: during this production than I would have assumed. Case in point,

1802
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:37,600
Speaker 2: the time Alan Hale aka the Skipper, fell out of

1803
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:41,400
Speaker 2: a coconut tree on set and broke his arm hilariously

1804
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:44,559
Speaker 2: or sadly, I can't tell, which he didn't tell anyone

1805
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:47,080
Speaker 2: about it for fear of holding up the shoot.

1806
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:48,160
Speaker 1: In the book.

1807
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:51,479
Speaker 2: Inside Gilligan's Island, Sherwood, Schwartz recalled talking to Hale the

1808
01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:55,040
Speaker 2: season one rap party, where the jolly actor made some

1809
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:58,280
Speaker 2: offhand comment about being relieved that the shooting was complete

1810
01:40:58,640 --> 01:40:59,719
Speaker 2: because now we could take.

1811
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:02,360
Speaker 1: Care of his arm. When Schwartz asked what was wrong

1812
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:02,639
Speaker 1: with his.

1813
01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:06,519
Speaker 2: Arm, Hale nonchantly replied, oh, I broke it a few

1814
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 2: weeks ago. He went on to explain that three weeks

1815
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:13,280
Speaker 2: prior he had missed the crash pads when he fell

1816
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:15,759
Speaker 2: out of the coconut tree for a scene and smashed

1817
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:18,559
Speaker 2: his right arm on the stage, and he hadn't sought

1818
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:20,759
Speaker 2: medical treatment about it because he didn't want to disrupt

1819
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:25,080
Speaker 2: the filming schedule. And Schwartz was dumbfounded. How did you

1820
01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:28,160
Speaker 2: manage to haul coconuts and lift Bob Denver with a

1821
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:31,680
Speaker 2: broken arm, because he was made of sterner stuff than

1822
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:33,960
Speaker 2: this generation, it wasn't easy.

1823
01:41:34,040 --> 01:41:36,679
Speaker 1: Hale replied, that's sad.

1824
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:39,639
Speaker 2: Bob Denver had a scary moment of his own, involving

1825
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:42,599
Speaker 2: a lion sort of a sigfreed and dar en moment,

1826
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:44,880
Speaker 2: did he Jordan?

1827
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:48,960
Speaker 1: He did? In one scene, Gilligan was supposed to barricade

1828
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:51,439
Speaker 1: the door of the Howel's hut closed to escape from

1829
01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:55,080
Speaker 1: a lion, and in a classic comedic twist, discovered that

1830
01:41:55,120 --> 01:41:58,519
Speaker 1: the lion is actually inside with him. Although this was

1831
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:00,760
Speaker 1: all part of the plot, the lion wasn't supposed to

1832
01:42:00,840 --> 01:42:03,960
Speaker 1: attack narrator voice. It did.

1833
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:09,840
Speaker 2: It was very aggressive and roared towards a terrified Bob Denver. Fortunately,

1834
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:12,240
Speaker 2: the bed it was standing on split apart and its

1835
01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:15,360
Speaker 2: trainer had time to tackle it before the lion could

1836
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:18,400
Speaker 2: eat the beloved sitcom star. Fortunately the lion was so

1837
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:21,360
Speaker 2: big that the bed that it was on broke, and.

1838
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:26,200
Speaker 1: Then the trainer just came after it like before the

1839
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:30,759
Speaker 1: different generation, just like, hey, you gotta tackle this lion.

1840
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:35,160
Speaker 1: Now stubs out cigarette, toss his back rest of drink.

1841
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:38,880
Speaker 1: I killed his lion. I brought it.

1842
01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:42,679
Speaker 2: But in another nod to a changing era, Gilligan's Island

1843
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:45,839
Speaker 2: went from black and white to color for its second season,

1844
01:42:46,240 --> 01:42:52,479
Speaker 2: and with welcome guest stars like Don Rickles, Sakabor, Kurt Russell,

1845
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:55,439
Speaker 2: who I think played like a like a kid like

1846
01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:57,120
Speaker 2: a federal child. Yeah, exactly.

1847
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:01,760
Speaker 1: Richard Keel, who played Jaws in Moonbaker, one of the

1848
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:06,440
Speaker 1: Bond movies, Yeah, one of the big do you have Acromeglia,

1849
01:43:06,520 --> 01:43:08,960
Speaker 1: He was in Happy Gil for being the Yeah, I

1850
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:11,040
Speaker 1: was gonna say that the guy guns don't kill people.

1851
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:15,360
Speaker 1: I killed people guy in from a Good Stuff.

1852
01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:17,920
Speaker 2: Mel Blank also had a guest role in Gilligan's Island,

1853
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:23,280
Speaker 2: and so did Phil Silvers Suchian Bilko himself. Bill Gilligan's

1854
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:26,160
Speaker 2: Island was never a critical success, never even earned an

1855
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:29,320
Speaker 2: Emmy nomination. It consistently notched the spot in the top

1856
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:32,680
Speaker 2: twenty five shows for its first two seasons, but by

1857
01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:35,479
Speaker 2: the third season it struggled to break the top fifty,

1858
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:38,360
Speaker 2: even though it still had a thirty share, which is

1859
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:41,680
Speaker 2: old school network speak for thirty percent of all viewers.

1860
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:43,759
Speaker 1: Tuning in at seven thirty pm on a Monday.

1861
01:43:44,720 --> 01:43:46,720
Speaker 2: The numbers were strong enough to earn the show a

1862
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:49,640
Speaker 2: fourth season, but in nineteen sixty seven, the show was

1863
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:53,920
Speaker 2: given the boot to make way for appropriately Enough gun Smoke.

1864
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:58,240
Speaker 2: According to Ben Costello's book Gun Smoke an American Institution,

1865
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:02,880
Speaker 2: CBS canceled Popular Western in early nineteen sixty seven after

1866
01:44:02,920 --> 01:44:07,800
Speaker 2: twelve seasons, leaving an off the fall schedule. Hilariously, Alan

1867
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:11,599
Speaker 2: Hale Junior aka Skipper, was friends with Gunsmoke writer Paul

1868
01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:15,000
Speaker 2: Savage and offered him a sympathies, saying that if any

1869
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:19,439
Speaker 2: CBS show should go it was quote that Turkey Gilligan's Island,

1870
01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:24,599
Speaker 2: Alan Hale would come to regret saying this. Apparently CBS

1871
01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:27,280
Speaker 2: had decided to get rid of Gunsmoke while network chairman

1872
01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:29,320
Speaker 2: William S. Paley was on vacation.

1873
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:33,439
Speaker 1: When Paley was back at his desk, he uncanceled Gun

1874
01:44:33,439 --> 01:44:37,000
Speaker 1: Smoke because it was his wife, Babe Paley's favorite show.

1875
01:44:37,200 --> 01:44:39,600
Speaker 1: There it is yep. It's like an Oppenheimer when the

1876
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:41,920
Speaker 1: guy's like, well, you know, when we're gonna bomb Japan,

1877
01:44:42,160 --> 01:44:44,320
Speaker 1: just make sure it's not a sokka. The wife and

1878
01:44:44,360 --> 01:44:46,519
Speaker 1: I him in there. It's a beautiful city, yep. Yep.

1879
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:50,439
Speaker 2: He had to get creative with the scheduling, and in

1880
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:52,719
Speaker 2: order to find a spot for Gunsmoke to come back

1881
01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:55,160
Speaker 2: in the fall nineteen sixty seven lineup, he.

1882
01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:58,400
Speaker 1: Had to cancel Gilligan's Island. That's where the acts fell.

1883
01:44:58,479 --> 01:45:02,439
Speaker 2: So after ninety eight episodes over the course of three seasons,

1884
01:45:02,479 --> 01:45:05,960
Speaker 2: Gilligan's Island was over, and due to this abrupt end,

1885
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:09,600
Speaker 2: the series was given a cliffhanger ending with a castaway

1886
01:45:09,680 --> 01:45:11,200
Speaker 2: still stranded on the island.

1887
01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:14,839
Speaker 1: Did you see like a boat approaching in the distance

1888
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:16,160
Speaker 1: or something? Or is it just no?

1889
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:18,160
Speaker 2: I think it was mid It was you know, it

1890
01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:20,920
Speaker 2: was mid midstream. I thought they had another season to go,

1891
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:24,840
Speaker 2: But Sherwood Schwartz was undeterred. He kept on trucking with

1892
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:27,320
Speaker 2: the Brady Bunch in nineteen sixty nine, which proved to

1893
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:31,879
Speaker 2: be I'm pretty sure an even bigger success. But apparently

1894
01:45:31,960 --> 01:45:34,160
Speaker 2: he felt the whole take a lot of diverse people

1895
01:45:34,200 --> 01:45:36,519
Speaker 2: and stick them in a dangerous environment idea had not

1896
01:45:36,640 --> 01:45:39,720
Speaker 2: been fully mined yet, and in nineteen seventy four he

1897
01:45:39,800 --> 01:45:44,400
Speaker 2: premiered a show called Dusty Trail, which was basically Gilligan's

1898
01:45:44,439 --> 01:45:47,000
Speaker 2: Island in the Old West. He even went so far

1899
01:45:47,120 --> 01:45:49,240
Speaker 2: as to tap Bob Denver to play the lead in

1900
01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:52,719
Speaker 2: the show, which chronicled the adventures of a wagon train

1901
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:58,600
Speaker 2: featuring a rich couple, a scientist, a farm girl, and

1902
01:45:58,680 --> 01:46:00,960
Speaker 2: a bombshell.

1903
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:04,120
Speaker 1: Incredible yep, what a country.

1904
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:07,280
Speaker 2: The show was a disaster and canceled after just a

1905
01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:08,040
Speaker 2: single season.

1906
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:12,000
Speaker 1: Wait it, got it, got it went to order. Uh huh, yep,

1907
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:16,040
Speaker 1: God damn dude. So he literally couldn't. I mean, what

1908
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:20,920
Speaker 1: was his pitch for that Gilligan's Island in the Old West. Yeah,

1909
01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:24,479
Speaker 1: it's like the John Draper chalkboard meme, like Airbud, but

1910
01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:28,200
Speaker 1: he's gay this time or whatever. Like he just walked

1911
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:31,120
Speaker 1: in and was like Gilligan's Island in the Old West,

1912
01:46:31,320 --> 01:46:33,160
Speaker 1: and they're like, great, let's take it to pilot.

1913
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 2: I mean, people probably pitched shows on less using shows

1914
01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:38,599
Speaker 2: that they didn't create, so at least in this case,

1915
01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:40,559
Speaker 2: he was like, yeah, I made this show.

1916
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sue you for it. I guess

1917
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:44,880
Speaker 1: that's fair. Yeah yeah, yeah, uh so.

1918
01:46:45,080 --> 01:46:48,720
Speaker 2: Uh Dusty Trail acts after a single season. But nevertheless,

1919
01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:51,439
Speaker 2: Sherwood Schwartz persisted.

1920
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:54,160
Speaker 1: Nipping off himself. That could you say that?

1921
01:46:56,240 --> 01:46:59,439
Speaker 2: He spun Gilligan's Island off into a cartoon series called

1922
01:46:59,479 --> 01:47:01,200
Speaker 2: The New Event Ventures of Gilligan.

1923
01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:01,960
Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy four.

1924
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:05,439
Speaker 2: At the time, it was very popular to do animated

1925
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:08,679
Speaker 2: versions of hit live action TV shows see The Brady

1926
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:12,320
Speaker 2: Kids and the Fawns and The Happy Days Gang, among

1927
01:47:12,680 --> 01:47:16,800
Speaker 2: surely many others. The New Adventures of Gilligan lasted two

1928
01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:20,280
Speaker 2: seasons until it was canceled in nineteen seventy five, but

1929
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:22,759
Speaker 2: a new animated series would take its place in nineteen

1930
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:25,960
Speaker 2: eighty two called Gilligan's Planet. I think we mentioned this

1931
01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:28,480
Speaker 2: earlier where the dinosaur was a pet.

1932
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:33,080
Speaker 1: Lasting a scant thirteen episodes, the series depicts the castaways

1933
01:47:33,120 --> 01:47:36,720
Speaker 1: being a drift in space. The Professor builds a spaceship

1934
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:39,080
Speaker 1: for their attempt to get back to civilization, but the

1935
01:47:39,120 --> 01:47:42,559
Speaker 1: ship crash lands on a planet very much like the

1936
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:46,479
Speaker 1: island they lived on, but of course it had more

1937
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:50,760
Speaker 1: land for them to move around on and dinosaurs and

1938
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:56,200
Speaker 1: aliens and creatures that they could interact with while the

1939
01:47:56,280 --> 01:47:59,240
Speaker 1: Professor tried the repair of the rocket. It's like that

1940
01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:01,839
Speaker 1: family guy bit Stephen King where he's like, it's a haunted,

1941
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:06,200
Speaker 1: haunted lamp, all right now, I think it's uh. I

1942
01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:10,200
Speaker 1: think it's that's almost like a Twilight Zone. Pitch could

1943
01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:12,639
Speaker 1: get off an island and they wake up and they're

1944
01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:16,200
Speaker 1: in a new planet. Yeah, it's like, it's so so

1945
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:18,400
Speaker 1: they do the crane zoom out. They're like, it wasn't

1946
01:48:18,439 --> 01:48:23,280
Speaker 1: It's not fair. It's not fair. There was time now ah,

1947
01:48:24,280 --> 01:48:29,240
Speaker 1: that makes me sad. That's a crushing episode. Wow. Probably

1948
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:31,200
Speaker 1: that's the one I think about when I think about

1949
01:48:31,240 --> 01:48:33,400
Speaker 1: Twilight Zone. That and the Bill Shatner Gremlin run.

1950
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:35,960
Speaker 2: I think the one where the little kid who would

1951
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:38,080
Speaker 2: send people out to the cornfield with his mind?

1952
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:42,479
Speaker 1: Did you do that as a child? But he's like,

1953
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:45,479
Speaker 1: start and fire, try just try doing that. Do you

1954
01:48:45,479 --> 01:48:48,360
Speaker 1: remember that one? Right? It's really creepy. I don't think so. No,

1955
01:48:48,720 --> 01:48:50,759
Speaker 1: wait a minute. The thing is like, I think twilet

1956
01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:53,519
Speaker 1: Zone is so easily Mandela affected because so many things

1957
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:55,920
Speaker 1: have just taken the premise of one of those hundreds

1958
01:48:55,960 --> 01:48:58,680
Speaker 1: of episodes and either become more famous or more of

1959
01:48:58,720 --> 01:48:59,320
Speaker 1: a punchline.

1960
01:48:59,400 --> 01:49:01,519
Speaker 2: No, here we goes called It's a Good Life, and

1961
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:04,160
Speaker 2: it's from nineteen sixty one. Six year old Anthony Fremont

1962
01:49:04,360 --> 01:49:08,280
Speaker 2: has godlike mental powers, including mind reading. He has isolated

1963
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:11,559
Speaker 2: his town of Peaksville, Ohio, from the rest of the universe.

1964
01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:14,800
Speaker 2: He has blocked television signals and caused cars not to work.

1965
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:18,360
Speaker 2: He creates grotesque creatures, such as three headed gophers, which

1966
01:49:18,360 --> 01:49:21,919
Speaker 2: he then kills. Everybody is under his rule, including his parents.

1967
01:49:22,439 --> 01:49:25,120
Speaker 2: The people live in fear of Anthony constantly telling them

1968
01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:28,960
Speaker 2: how he does everything good. Since he banishes anyone thinking

1969
01:49:29,080 --> 01:49:32,719
Speaker 2: unhappy thoughts forever to a place that he calls quote

1970
01:49:32,760 --> 01:49:36,840
Speaker 2: the cornfield. Having never experienced any form of discipline, he

1971
01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:40,280
Speaker 2: does not understand that his actions are harmful. He's confused

1972
01:49:40,280 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 2: when his father tells him that the neighbors are reluctant

1973
01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:44,960
Speaker 2: to let their children play with him after he sents

1974
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:48,559
Speaker 2: several of his playmates to the cornfield. I did not

1975
01:49:48,760 --> 01:49:51,240
Speaker 2: know that you would like that one. It's very scary. Yeah,

1976
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:55,360
Speaker 2: sounds horrible. I don't trust children that don't have godlike powers. Yeah,

1977
01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:59,200
Speaker 2: check it out, all right, I will. We're getting some

1978
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:00,960
Speaker 2: places in this setith, So we really are?

1979
01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:03,120
Speaker 1: We sure are? Oh yeah?

1980
01:50:03,160 --> 01:50:05,920
Speaker 2: Before we move on, don Wells provided the voice both

1981
01:50:05,960 --> 01:50:09,920
Speaker 2: of her character and Ginger, because, as we'll discuss, Tina

1982
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:11,799
Speaker 2: Luise didn't win anywhere near.

1983
01:50:11,680 --> 01:50:16,360
Speaker 1: This her vengeance complete. You don't have to choose between

1984
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:18,920
Speaker 1: the two of them, because now one is both. Yep.

1985
01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:21,360
Speaker 1: It would have been cool if they'd been fused into

1986
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:24,880
Speaker 1: a hideous David Croneberg style monster from like cosmic rays

1987
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:27,320
Speaker 1: or something, and they crash and she's on the planet

1988
01:50:27,400 --> 01:50:32,559
Speaker 1: like kill me. That would have been cool. So that

1989
01:50:32,720 --> 01:50:35,120
Speaker 1: was the That would be the end of Gilligan's Island

1990
01:50:35,120 --> 01:50:37,559
Speaker 1: as a television series. But we hear it, Tim, I

1991
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:40,599
Speaker 1: would be remiss if we hadn't mentioned. A trio made

1992
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:44,400
Speaker 1: for TV movies that are really something special started with

1993
01:50:44,479 --> 01:50:47,280
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eighth Rescue from Gilligan's Island, the first proper

1994
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:49,679
Speaker 1: continuation of the series that had ended a decade earlier.

1995
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:52,200
Speaker 1: After a long wait, fans were finally treated to what

1996
01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:57,160
Speaker 1: they were waiting for. Chance for the Seven you wrote it,

1997
01:50:57,240 --> 01:51:00,439
Speaker 1: I know, I'm sorry. A chance for the seven Astaways

1998
01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:02,920
Speaker 1: to get off the island after being stranded for fifteen years.

1999
01:51:03,240 --> 01:51:06,960
Speaker 1: This naturally drew a sizeable audience. Story begins when Gilligan

2000
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:09,920
Speaker 1: finds a small metallic disc, which he fashions into a necklace.

2001
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:12,400
Speaker 1: The Professor somehow determines that the disc is a remnant

2002
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:14,960
Speaker 1: from a spy satellite that exploded in the stratosphere above

2003
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:17,960
Speaker 1: the island and uses it to make a barometer, which

2004
01:51:17,960 --> 01:51:21,320
Speaker 1: in turn allows him to forecast the weather. In doing so,

2005
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:23,559
Speaker 1: he determines that a massive storm is about to decimate

2006
01:51:23,600 --> 01:51:26,639
Speaker 1: the island. The castaways build a series of huts for protection,

2007
01:51:26,760 --> 01:51:30,519
Speaker 1: which they lash together before the Governor of Hawaii sent

2008
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:33,799
Speaker 1: in the National Guard to beat all of them topical humor.

2009
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:37,519
Speaker 1: When the tsunami hits, the huts are carried out to sea,

2010
01:51:37,560 --> 01:51:40,320
Speaker 1: where they are discovered by a passing ship. They're rescued.

2011
01:51:40,439 --> 01:51:42,960
Speaker 1: Gilligan is interviewed on TV. The makers of the Spy

2012
01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:45,519
Speaker 1: satellite notice Gilligan's necklace and try to get it back

2013
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:49,160
Speaker 1: in various dastardly ways. It's all quite silly, but the

2014
01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:51,120
Speaker 1: most insane part of the film is arguably the fact

2015
01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:54,200
Speaker 1: that Gilligan and the Skipper want to open another boat

2016
01:51:54,280 --> 01:51:57,800
Speaker 1: charter service. You think they would do something like a

2017
01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:01,919
Speaker 1: kitty ranch or a petting zoo, something dlocked a fish farm.

2018
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:05,440
Speaker 1: Maybe they really want to stay close to the great

2019
01:52:05,560 --> 01:52:08,200
Speaker 1: farm Cott Salmon these days. Uh, I don't think that's true.

2020
01:52:08,200 --> 01:52:11,360
Speaker 1: I think you're supposed to get wild cup. Having done so,

2021
01:52:11,439 --> 01:52:14,880
Speaker 1: the Skipper and Gilligan invite the original five passengers on

2022
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:20,200
Speaker 1: his new and improved SS Mino, and guess what happens, folks.

2023
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:23,960
Speaker 1: You'll never guess. One of the stowaways turns out to

2024
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:30,600
Speaker 1: be Joseph Mengela, alive at that time. As we've discussed

2025
01:52:30,920 --> 01:52:33,880
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy eight. You're right, he'd just come from

2026
01:52:33,880 --> 01:52:41,000
Speaker 1: seeing Greece the Ultimate crossover episode, but he didn't get

2027
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:43,320
Speaker 1: to see Goodies. No, he did not leave the sea

2028
01:52:43,320 --> 01:52:47,880
Speaker 1: Gouronies his loss. Uh boy, we're just stepping in at

2029
01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:50,320
Speaker 1: this one. So Rescue from Gilligan's Island was followed a

2030
01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:52,760
Speaker 1: year later in nineteen seventy five nineteen seventy nine with

2031
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:55,840
Speaker 1: the Castaways on Gilligan's Island, which picks up where the

2032
01:52:55,960 --> 01:53:00,040
Speaker 1: prior made for TV movie, which left off, where you

2033
01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:02,320
Speaker 1: really skip it because the Castaways are actually back on

2034
01:53:02,360 --> 01:53:05,840
Speaker 1: Gilligan's Island. Yeah, surely not renamed by this point, right,

2035
01:53:06,120 --> 01:53:08,280
Speaker 1: like it had they had discovered it had a name,

2036
01:53:08,360 --> 01:53:11,040
Speaker 1: like it was called like Bloodshell Island or like.

2037
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:16,200
Speaker 2: Well it was an uncharted desert isle. That's the whole

2038
01:53:16,240 --> 01:53:18,920
Speaker 2: point I saw. I haven't been charted yet. Remember in

2039
01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:21,720
Speaker 2: the in the theme uncharted desert.

2040
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:25,880
Speaker 1: Three hours, close.

2041
01:53:27,479 --> 01:53:30,679
Speaker 2: Hour doing it three hour tour islands, it's like three

2042
01:53:30,680 --> 01:53:31,320
Speaker 2: mile island.

2043
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:36,080
Speaker 1: But ah, which happened that year? Right? I came out island.

2044
01:53:37,320 --> 01:53:40,719
Speaker 1: I forget that. Yeah, you're right. Seventy nine, Yeah, wow,

2045
01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:45,960
Speaker 1: making connections. The storm contaminated, It's all about connections. The

2046
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:49,000
Speaker 1: storm contaminated the water supplies on the island, so Gilligan

2047
01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:51,120
Speaker 1: was that tasked with exploring the island in hopes of

2048
01:53:51,160 --> 01:53:53,519
Speaker 1: finding a new source. Eventually he finds a w W

2049
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:57,680
Speaker 1: I I, the Big one era airplane hangar, complete with

2050
01:53:57,720 --> 01:54:00,600
Speaker 1: planes apparently it had been hidden for years and underbrush

2051
01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:03,280
Speaker 1: which had been blown away by the recent storm, along

2052
01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:06,479
Speaker 1: with that insane Japanese soldier who never surrendered and still

2053
01:54:06,479 --> 01:54:08,960
Speaker 1: like attacking people in the in the Pacific theater.

2054
01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, until probably around this time, or maybe it was

2055
01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:13,080
Speaker 2: like the late sixties.

2056
01:54:13,439 --> 01:54:17,040
Speaker 1: That's a crossover. Yeah, damn, what was that guy's name? Japanese?

2057
01:54:17,120 --> 01:54:19,000
Speaker 2: We got to talk about cargo cults though.

2058
01:54:19,160 --> 01:54:23,960
Speaker 1: Hrou Onoda. He was in the Philippines. He killed thirty people.

2059
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:28,639
Speaker 2: How many of those were after the war was over? Several,

2060
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:31,479
Speaker 2: if I recall, I mean enough of them. When did

2061
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:33,440
Speaker 2: he I don't know if he's surrendered, but when did

2062
01:54:33,480 --> 01:54:35,280
Speaker 2: he leave the cave he was in?

2063
01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:39,960
Speaker 1: It was a cave right just broadly the jungle. Oh yeah,

2064
01:54:40,120 --> 01:54:42,920
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four. They could have pludged the timeline and

2065
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:45,400
Speaker 1: made it happen. Man, that would have been awesome. Thirty

2066
01:54:45,480 --> 01:54:49,560
Speaker 1: years Gilligan's Island meets Hirou Onoda and then they're just

2067
01:54:49,600 --> 01:54:53,040
Speaker 1: all brutally killed by this mentally insane guy hiding in

2068
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:53,520
Speaker 1: the jungle.

2069
01:54:54,040 --> 01:54:56,080
Speaker 2: I mean, that could have been an incredible twist, as

2070
01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:58,600
Speaker 2: if they are going through the island and they stumble

2071
01:54:58,640 --> 01:55:01,800
Speaker 2: on what they think is some kind of modern civilization

2072
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:03,920
Speaker 2: and then they realized that it's a cargo cult, one

2073
01:55:03,960 --> 01:55:08,040
Speaker 2: of those cults that during tell us about cargo cults. Yes, well,

2074
01:55:08,160 --> 01:55:09,880
Speaker 2: I'm doing this off the dome, so I'm not going

2075
01:55:09,960 --> 01:55:13,400
Speaker 2: to get this perfect. But there were cultures on different

2076
01:55:13,440 --> 01:55:18,080
Speaker 2: Pacific island nations where their first contact with technologically advanced,

2077
01:55:18,280 --> 01:55:20,720
Speaker 2: you know, anyone who wasn't their own, you know, group

2078
01:55:20,760 --> 01:55:22,960
Speaker 2: of people on the island was during the war when

2079
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:27,200
Speaker 2: these huge planes would fly in and drop supplies and

2080
01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:29,720
Speaker 2: they would set up you know what we now think

2081
01:55:29,720 --> 01:55:33,160
Speaker 2: of is like modern runways and modern army camps and stuff.

2082
01:55:33,320 --> 01:55:36,000
Speaker 2: And then after the war they all left again, and

2083
01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:39,320
Speaker 2: these cultures on these islands thought that, you know, these

2084
01:55:39,400 --> 01:55:42,000
Speaker 2: these visitors were divine and all the things that they

2085
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:44,280
Speaker 2: brought were gifts from the divine. So to try to

2086
01:55:44,360 --> 01:55:47,560
Speaker 2: kind of coax them back, they would build what looked

2087
01:55:47,640 --> 01:55:52,040
Speaker 2: like modern airports with planes on the runways all out

2088
01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:56,240
Speaker 2: of like straw and sticks and underbrush, and they would

2089
01:55:56,400 --> 01:55:59,200
Speaker 2: kind of re enact what we would see people working

2090
01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:01,320
Speaker 2: on runways do. They would have like those like ping

2091
01:56:01,400 --> 01:56:04,720
Speaker 2: pong paddle looking things and kind of direct and they

2092
01:56:04,720 --> 01:56:07,240
Speaker 2: would have a fake plane at the end of the runway,

2093
01:56:07,280 --> 01:56:08,800
Speaker 2: and I think they would even have like one of

2094
01:56:08,840 --> 01:56:12,000
Speaker 2: those radar tower things. It was really fascinating. You can

2095
01:56:12,040 --> 01:56:14,960
Speaker 2: see videos of this online. And there's also a cargo

2096
01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:17,880
Speaker 2: cult that that thought that Prince Philip was divine and

2097
01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:20,520
Speaker 2: I don't actually really know why that was. And he

2098
01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:24,520
Speaker 2: was like informed of them, and he like acknowledged their

2099
01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:27,240
Speaker 2: existence by sending them like an autographed eight by ten

2100
01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:31,240
Speaker 2: glossy and then and then like they they were so

2101
01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:33,240
Speaker 2: touched that they they sent him like a I think

2102
01:56:33,240 --> 01:56:36,000
Speaker 2: it was like a hog killing stick, and he was

2103
01:56:36,040 --> 01:56:38,440
Speaker 2: like advised to pose for a photo with the stick,

2104
01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:41,600
Speaker 2: just like like and so he sent a photo back

2105
01:56:41,680 --> 01:56:43,800
Speaker 2: of him with the stick. Yeah, they thought the Prince

2106
01:56:43,800 --> 01:56:44,320
Speaker 2: Philip was.

2107
01:56:44,240 --> 01:56:47,000
Speaker 1: Divine, and then they were very very distraught when he died,

2108
01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:50,200
Speaker 1: as were we all. We all, yeah, all were cargo

2109
01:56:50,200 --> 01:56:53,200
Speaker 1: cults and probably got that in there. Cargo cults, Yeah, absolutely,

2110
01:56:53,360 --> 01:56:57,120
Speaker 1: cargo cults. But think about if the Gilligan's Island castaways

2111
01:56:57,760 --> 01:56:59,840
Speaker 1: stumble on what they think is like on a ma

2112
01:57:00,200 --> 01:57:02,720
Speaker 1: An army base or a Western army base or any

2113
01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:05,400
Speaker 1: kind of arm base could have been a decoy cargo

2114
01:57:05,480 --> 01:57:07,400
Speaker 1: cult like thing and they would have been slaughtered. Well,

2115
01:57:07,560 --> 01:57:09,440
Speaker 1: oh no, I was gonna say. Then they discovered this

2116
01:57:09,560 --> 01:57:11,600
Speaker 1: just a cargo cult and none of the stuff actually works,

2117
01:57:11,600 --> 01:57:13,320
Speaker 1: and all the planes and stuff are made out of

2118
01:57:13,360 --> 01:57:16,760
Speaker 1: like twigs coconuts. Again, yeah, that would have been a

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Speaker 1: great twist ending. I'm imagining like a Saw kind of

2120
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Speaker 1: thing where they're like, you know, they meet like hehrou

2121
01:57:23,440 --> 01:57:31,520
Speaker 1: onoda and it's a it's a brutal man against man

2122
01:57:32,280 --> 01:57:38,120
Speaker 1: occasionally man against woman race for survival, and it's just horrific,

2123
01:57:39,200 --> 01:57:42,680
Speaker 1: just really awful stuff. Would you like that? I would

2124
01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:46,000
Speaker 1: if I turned your beloved cherish childhood thing into a

2125
01:57:46,360 --> 01:57:50,680
Speaker 1: essentially a snuff film, is what I'm pitching. You would,

2126
01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:53,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't you? You're six out of a bitch? Yeah, it

2127
01:57:53,680 --> 01:57:57,040
Speaker 1: would be great. Is it in the public domain? Yet? Saw?

2128
01:57:58,720 --> 01:58:01,600
Speaker 1: That was a joke. I know, either Saw nor Killigan's

2129
01:58:01,600 --> 01:58:05,920
Speaker 1: Island have entered the public domain. How much of a

2130
01:58:06,160 --> 01:58:08,120
Speaker 1: roub do you take me for one of those people

2131
01:58:08,120 --> 01:58:12,240
Speaker 1: who thought it was a documentary? Yeah, Alex, the documentary

2132
01:58:12,280 --> 01:58:15,160
Speaker 1: has lapsed into public domain. It's been one hundred years.

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Speaker 1: You're just living out your life at the farm. I'll

2134
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:23,640
Speaker 1: tell you again about the rabbits. Where were we? Oh? Yeah?

2135
01:58:23,640 --> 01:58:26,480
Speaker 1: So he finds his World War two era thing and

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01:58:26,520 --> 01:58:31,600
Speaker 1: it contains not a half crazed Japanese soldier. But they

2137
01:58:31,600 --> 01:58:35,520
Speaker 1: fixed one of the planes apparently easier mechanically than fixing

2138
01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:37,840
Speaker 1: a whole in a boat, and they escaped from the island,

2139
01:58:37,960 --> 01:58:39,880
Speaker 1: which one of them flew you know, I don't know,

2140
01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:43,040
Speaker 1: might have been the professor. Unfortunately, the plane develops engine

2141
01:58:43,080 --> 01:58:45,520
Speaker 1: problems while in flight, so Gilligan is sent out with

2142
01:58:45,560 --> 01:58:49,280
Speaker 1: a parachute to drop some cargo, and of course he

2143
01:58:49,400 --> 01:58:52,400
Speaker 1: falls off the plane, landing back on the island. Again.

2144
01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:56,520
Speaker 1: It's the Bardo. You can't escape unless you achieve nirvana.

2145
01:58:57,240 --> 01:58:59,200
Speaker 1: The castoys decide that they have to go back and

2146
01:58:59,200 --> 01:59:00,880
Speaker 1: get them, even though they're well aware that the plant

2147
01:59:00,920 --> 01:59:03,920
Speaker 1: could never manage another takeoff, and God, they would just

2148
01:59:04,360 --> 01:59:10,080
Speaker 1: wave to him in real life, maybe do some thanks. Immediately,

2149
01:59:10,280 --> 01:59:13,400
Speaker 1: We finally got hed of that fucking guy, but immediately

2150
01:59:13,480 --> 01:59:16,120
Speaker 1: after landing, the engine falls off. The group realized that

2151
01:59:16,160 --> 01:59:18,240
Speaker 1: had they kept going, they would have certainly crashed into

2152
01:59:18,280 --> 01:59:21,120
Speaker 1: the ocean. Thus Gilligan's accident saved their lives and he

2153
01:59:21,200 --> 01:59:24,520
Speaker 1: is hailed as a hero. Blah blah blah. Fortune continues

2154
01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:27,040
Speaker 1: to smile on the castaways. A navy captain spots their

2155
01:59:27,040 --> 01:59:29,480
Speaker 1: aircraft on his radar. He pinpoints where they land. They're

2156
01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:32,640
Speaker 1: taken back to civilization, and the island is charted on

2157
01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:34,640
Speaker 1: a map so that no one will ever be stranded again.

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01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:37,400
Speaker 1: Flash forward a year. The island has been transformed into

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Speaker 1: a tropical resort owned by the Howls, who employ their

2160
01:59:40,840 --> 01:59:44,960
Speaker 1: fellow castaways as staff. But wow, as you put it,

2161
01:59:45,040 --> 01:59:49,760
Speaker 1: what a metaphor for American capitalism. Someone transporting people back

2162
01:59:49,760 --> 01:59:53,480
Speaker 1: to the site of their most lasting trauma and forcing

2163
01:59:53,480 --> 01:59:55,600
Speaker 1: them to work for him, or pitching that he worked

2164
01:59:55,600 --> 01:59:58,160
Speaker 1: for them and relive it every day of their life.

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Speaker 1: The Skipper and Gilligan provide the shuttle craft that takes

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02:00:00,480 --> 02:00:02,400
Speaker 1: guests from the mainland to the resort and back again.

2167
02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:03,920
Speaker 1: And the whole idea was that this was going to

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Speaker 1: be another backdoor pilot because it never ends. It was

2169
02:00:06,880 --> 02:00:12,520
Speaker 1: like Fantasy Island meets love Boat, it meets Diehards Saw,

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02:00:12,960 --> 02:00:15,440
Speaker 1: you know, and it just keeps going. You get an island,

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02:00:15,480 --> 02:00:20,800
Speaker 1: and you get an island, just never ends, the whole idea. Yeah,

2172
02:00:20,840 --> 02:00:23,680
Speaker 1: so they said it never materialize. Viewership numbers for this

2173
02:00:23,720 --> 02:00:26,920
Speaker 1: were significantly less than the previous Gilligan centric made for

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Speaker 1: TV movie, which is a phrase that you can say

2175
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:35,040
Speaker 1: and mean it. Jordan shockingly.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I can't believe he didn't take this one. There

2177
02:00:37,720 --> 02:00:40,760
Speaker 2: was another made for TV movie that followed, and it

2178
02:00:40,840 --> 02:00:44,400
Speaker 2: sounds like a bit that we'd make up. I'm referring to,

2179
02:00:44,480 --> 02:00:48,640
Speaker 2: of course, nineteen eighty one's the Harlem Globetrotters on Gilligan's Island.

2180
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Speaker 2: We're gonna add that to the sequel format rotation.

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02:00:53,560 --> 02:00:57,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the Harlem Globetrotters meets the Deer Hunter. Yeah,

2182
02:00:57,560 --> 02:01:01,800
Speaker 1: Harlem Globetrotters meets Schindler's List and Georgetowter's Harlem in it

2183
02:01:01,800 --> 02:01:04,000
Speaker 1: would just be the Harlem globe Charters meet Oscar Schindler,

2184
02:01:04,840 --> 02:01:07,520
Speaker 1: ah Man, good times.

2185
02:01:09,040 --> 02:01:11,920
Speaker 2: The Harlem Globetrotter's plane is forced to make an emergency

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02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:15,560
Speaker 2: landing on what had formerly been the uncharted deserted island

2187
02:01:15,600 --> 02:01:18,560
Speaker 2: known as Gilligan's Islands, when they are rescued by Gilligan

2188
02:01:18,640 --> 02:01:20,880
Speaker 2: and the Skipper and taken to their place of work

2189
02:01:20,920 --> 02:01:24,560
Speaker 2: at the Howell Resort, which is now run by Howel's

2190
02:01:24,600 --> 02:01:28,600
Speaker 2: Sun Thirst and Howl the fourth played by supermarket sweep

2191
02:01:28,600 --> 02:01:32,320
Speaker 2: post David Ruprecht. They said fans of the show up

2192
02:01:32,320 --> 02:01:36,360
Speaker 2: in arms because the couple had previously been portrayed as childless.

2193
02:01:37,720 --> 02:01:40,520
Speaker 2: This whole sun coming in thing was reportedly because Jim

2194
02:01:40,560 --> 02:01:44,960
Speaker 2: Bacchus was in poor health, as we will discover. Upon

2195
02:01:45,000 --> 02:01:47,320
Speaker 2: their arrival of the island, the Globetrotters agree to play

2196
02:01:47,320 --> 02:01:50,440
Speaker 2: a game against the staff of the resort, who naturally

2197
02:01:50,480 --> 02:01:51,240
Speaker 2: lose badly.

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Speaker 1: He's using a friggin ladder. You bet against the Harlem Globetrotters,

2199
02:01:57,320 --> 02:01:58,879
Speaker 1: seems as is everything.

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02:01:59,000 --> 02:02:01,800
Speaker 2: There's a bad guy played by Martin Landau who wants

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Speaker 2: to buy the island because he discovers as a rare

2202
02:02:04,440 --> 02:02:07,560
Speaker 2: or buried on it, and he nearly succeeds in purchasing

2203
02:02:07,560 --> 02:02:11,160
Speaker 2: the Howells Island through various devious methods, but then for

2204
02:02:11,200 --> 02:02:14,160
Speaker 2: some reason he agrees to not buy the island as

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02:02:14,200 --> 02:02:17,400
Speaker 2: long as the Globetrotters can beat his basketball team, the

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02:02:17,480 --> 02:02:21,839
Speaker 2: New Invincibles, who we learn that's a sick name though, Yeah,

2207
02:02:21,880 --> 02:02:23,760
Speaker 2: who we learn are robots.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the Globetrotters know. I mean, in

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Speaker 1: a way, this is kind of the best sequel. Yes,

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Speaker 1: yeah it is.

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Speaker 2: Is this still available? I would like to quote I

2212
02:02:33,920 --> 02:02:35,520
Speaker 2: think it is. I would like to quote from the

2213
02:02:35,520 --> 02:02:39,640
Speaker 2: Wikipedia directly. At first, it looks as though the Globetrotters

2214
02:02:39,680 --> 02:02:43,000
Speaker 2: have met their match, but when Gilligan reminds them that

2215
02:02:43,040 --> 02:02:47,840
Speaker 2: they haven't been doing their usual Globetrotter tricks, they begin

2216
02:02:47,920 --> 02:02:49,520
Speaker 2: to score against the team and win.

2217
02:02:50,360 --> 02:02:52,320
Speaker 1: Guys, you guys aren't even using the latter.

2218
02:02:56,360 --> 02:02:59,800
Speaker 2: The bad guy, though, doesn't really care, because while everyone

2219
02:02:59,840 --> 02:03:02,480
Speaker 2: was is he watching the basketball game he stole He

2220
02:03:02,480 --> 02:03:05,880
Speaker 2: stole the Ore and loaded it onto his yacht. The

2221
02:03:05,920 --> 02:03:09,080
Speaker 2: Professor then tells him that the Ore is very unstable

2222
02:03:09,120 --> 02:03:11,480
Speaker 2: in his present form, much like a spos up, and

2223
02:03:11,520 --> 02:03:14,600
Speaker 2: it blows up, destroying the bad Guy's yacht and leaving

2224
02:03:14,680 --> 02:03:19,720
Speaker 2: him penniless. I'm dead and maybe dead, I don't know. Wow,

2225
02:03:19,920 --> 02:03:22,880
Speaker 2: so incredible, I was, I was, I have goosebumps. I

2226
02:03:22,920 --> 02:03:27,720
Speaker 2: was on tenter hooks. It's very good for the response

2227
02:03:27,760 --> 02:03:29,600
Speaker 2: to the movie. I would like to quote the Wikipedia

2228
02:03:29,760 --> 02:03:33,839
Speaker 2: entry once again, because it can't be improved upon. Sherwood

2229
02:03:33,840 --> 02:03:36,920
Speaker 2: Schwartz was surprised and disappointed.

2230
02:03:36,200 --> 02:03:37,640
Speaker 1: That the ratings were not higher.

2231
02:03:38,520 --> 02:03:42,120
Speaker 2: He he lamented that he would never get the opportunity

2232
02:03:42,200 --> 02:03:46,120
Speaker 2: to produce another spinoff special that he'd conceived, Murder on

2233
02:03:46,200 --> 02:03:49,920
Speaker 2: Gilligan's Island, Yes, which would have involved a group of

2234
02:03:49,920 --> 02:03:54,720
Speaker 2: famous detectives investigating the apparent murder of one of the castaways.

2235
02:03:54,800 --> 02:03:56,560
Speaker 2: I think apparent being the operative word.

2236
02:03:56,640 --> 02:03:58,640
Speaker 1: There wouldn't even be it was. It was even like

2237
02:03:58,640 --> 02:04:02,200
Speaker 1: a twist on on on, like like an Agatha Christi

2238
02:04:02,240 --> 02:04:04,400
Speaker 1: thing where there's only one detective, would have been group

2239
02:04:04,400 --> 02:04:05,720
Speaker 1: of detectives.

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Speaker 2: Many and maybe it's they're all like famous detectives from

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02:04:08,360 --> 02:04:11,560
Speaker 2: Maybe it's it's her Q Parole, Maybe it's the others. Yeah,

2242
02:04:11,600 --> 02:04:14,760
Speaker 2: other it's it's who else, Elliott, I don't know who

2243
02:04:14,760 --> 02:04:16,920
Speaker 2: are other famous detectives as.

2244
02:04:17,400 --> 02:04:22,040
Speaker 1: The guy for Elliott gould In Philip Marlowe actually could

2245
02:04:22,080 --> 02:04:24,720
Speaker 1: be multiple Philip Marlow's. You could have bogie with c

2246
02:04:24,840 --> 02:04:28,600
Speaker 1: GI these days, resurrect Humphrey Bogart and have him playing

2247
02:04:28,640 --> 02:04:34,320
Speaker 1: alongside Elliott Gould's Philip Marlowe from Robert Altman's The Long Goodbye. Now.

2248
02:04:34,400 --> 02:04:37,240
Speaker 1: What this presupposes is that there are multiple timelines in

2249
02:04:37,280 --> 02:04:41,560
Speaker 1: which uh, Gilligan's Island exists on a continue I'm sorry,

2250
02:04:41,600 --> 02:04:45,680
Speaker 1: I didn't wasn't leading anywhere with that. My god was

2251
02:04:45,800 --> 02:04:49,240
Speaker 1: short's kind of very lucky, and had like two good ideas.

2252
02:04:49,280 --> 02:04:54,040
Speaker 1: And then he continued, sincerely, believing he'd done something or brilliant.

2253
02:04:54,440 --> 02:04:56,720
Speaker 1: Such a fine line, isn't it, I mean to.

2254
02:04:56,800 --> 02:05:00,280
Speaker 2: Quote spinal tap, Such a fine line between clever and stupid.

2255
02:05:00,400 --> 02:05:00,640
Speaker 1: Wow.

2256
02:05:01,640 --> 02:05:03,680
Speaker 2: He also was very sad that he'd never got a

2257
02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:06,280
Speaker 2: chance to move ahead on another idea for a Gilligan's

2258
02:05:06,280 --> 02:05:07,000
Speaker 2: Island movie.

2259
02:05:07,240 --> 02:05:09,800
Speaker 1: There's no way you can improve on Gilligan's Island. The

2260
02:05:09,840 --> 02:05:14,280
Speaker 1: Detectives this is pretty good. The castaways would learn that

2261
02:05:14,320 --> 02:05:20,080
Speaker 1: a nuclear war had destroyed human civilization. Yes, zombies.

2262
02:05:20,240 --> 02:05:22,520
Speaker 2: Bob Dever, he would this is a quote from Bob Denver.

2263
02:05:22,600 --> 02:05:25,680
Speaker 2: He would describe the premise. Thus, the seven of us

2264
02:05:25,720 --> 02:05:28,720
Speaker 2: think the world is destroyed, and we get married. Gilligan

2265
02:05:28,760 --> 02:05:31,600
Speaker 2: marries Maryanne, and they have a baby boy, the professor

2266
02:05:31,640 --> 02:05:34,160
Speaker 2: Mary's Ginger, and they have a baby girl, and there's

2267
02:05:34,240 --> 02:05:36,840
Speaker 2: like a blue Lagoon sequence where the kids grow up

2268
02:05:36,880 --> 02:05:41,160
Speaker 2: and I would imagine sleep together. So when Gilligan's son

2269
02:05:41,280 --> 02:05:43,760
Speaker 2: is twenty, he sails off to see whether the world

2270
02:05:43,840 --> 02:05:47,680
Speaker 2: is really destroyed, and of course it isn't. They heard

2271
02:05:47,680 --> 02:05:50,760
Speaker 2: it on the radio and Gilligan broke the radio just

2272
02:05:50,800 --> 02:05:52,280
Speaker 2: before the disclaimer came on.

2273
02:05:52,920 --> 02:05:53,240
Speaker 1: Wow.

2274
02:05:53,360 --> 02:05:59,240
Speaker 2: So it plays the long con with some horrific slightly

2275
02:05:59,240 --> 02:06:01,360
Speaker 2: at a boy, but still.

2276
02:06:02,600 --> 02:06:05,120
Speaker 1: Those kids would be inbred within a number of generations.

2277
02:06:05,240 --> 02:06:08,280
Speaker 2: Certainly in a way when you think about it, aren't

2278
02:06:08,280 --> 02:06:11,200
Speaker 2: we all in bread? What's the really breeding?

2279
02:06:11,240 --> 02:06:16,280
Speaker 1: The friends we made along the way? Oh man, the

2280
02:06:16,320 --> 02:06:19,400
Speaker 1: only thing left would have been Gilligan's Island with zombies.

2281
02:06:19,800 --> 02:06:20,520
Speaker 2: That's pretty good.

2282
02:06:20,840 --> 02:06:23,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, what oh man? They maybe they maybe they turned

2283
02:06:23,600 --> 02:06:25,760
Speaker 1: to cannibalism. It's too easy.

2284
02:06:25,880 --> 02:06:26,120
Speaker 5: It is.

2285
02:06:26,240 --> 02:06:30,560
Speaker 1: It is easy but fun, active and cinematic, and then

2286
02:06:30,600 --> 02:06:32,520
Speaker 1: it turns into it even more horror thing where they're

2287
02:06:32,520 --> 02:06:35,520
Speaker 1: breeding just to eat them. Not very cost effective, but

2288
02:06:35,680 --> 02:06:38,320
Speaker 1: you get it's a pyramid scheme. You get kids to

2289
02:06:38,760 --> 02:06:40,720
Speaker 1: have kids, and you eat those kids, and but you

2290
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:43,600
Speaker 1: retain a couple of pairs for you know, the bloodline,

2291
02:06:43,880 --> 02:06:46,960
Speaker 1: because the purity is what's important here, Jordan. I admire

2292
02:06:47,040 --> 02:06:50,240
Speaker 1: is purity. I just watched that the other night. Perfect

2293
02:06:50,800 --> 02:06:54,640
Speaker 1: film Man, Alien or Aliens. That's the original Alien. Yeah,

2294
02:06:54,920 --> 02:06:57,800
Speaker 1: it's much Honestly, I've come around to it being a

2295
02:06:57,960 --> 02:07:01,480
Speaker 1: much scarier film, like even though you know, there's all

2296
02:07:01,480 --> 02:07:04,240
Speaker 1: that claustrophobic action and stuff in Aliens, and there's like

2297
02:07:04,280 --> 02:07:07,320
Speaker 1: more genuinely like horror kind of big sequences, and the

2298
02:07:07,360 --> 02:07:10,040
Speaker 1: Alien looks better. That first one is just that's a

2299
02:07:10,280 --> 02:07:13,640
Speaker 1: classic Ridley to Ridley, the Scott editing touch, because Tony

2300
02:07:13,680 --> 02:07:18,520
Speaker 1: also kind of did that. But it's just breathless, amazing perfect.

2301
02:07:19,720 --> 02:07:23,640
Speaker 1: Gilligan's Island Versus Alien. Oh no, dude, I've got it.

2302
02:07:23,680 --> 02:07:30,520
Speaker 1: Gilligan's Island, Predator, Colin Gilligan's Island. Get Shane and Black

2303
02:07:30,560 --> 02:07:34,560
Speaker 1: on the phone and Lloyd Schwartz, Oh yeah, we got

2304
02:07:34,560 --> 02:07:39,560
Speaker 1: to pitch this today. We have to pitch this today. God,

2305
02:07:39,560 --> 02:07:41,600
Speaker 1: that is a license to print money. We'll get the

2306
02:07:41,680 --> 02:07:45,560
Speaker 1: nostalgia bait, We'll get the predators perennially hot. He's always

2307
02:07:45,560 --> 02:07:48,920
Speaker 1: a hot package or them. We don't actually ever really know.

2308
02:07:49,520 --> 02:07:52,400
Speaker 1: Maybe all we bring back in, you know, we bring

2309
02:07:52,440 --> 02:07:54,960
Speaker 1: back in Schwarzenegger you just cart him on set for

2310
02:07:55,000 --> 02:07:57,960
Speaker 1: a day. He calls Gilligan little buddy, and then the

2311
02:07:58,040 --> 02:08:00,640
Speaker 1: predator disembowls him. Can you can you do?

2312
02:08:00,840 --> 02:08:00,960
Speaker 4: Uh?

2313
02:08:01,280 --> 02:08:06,640
Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger saying little buddy, little buddy, that's gonna be my

2314
02:08:06,720 --> 02:08:07,920
Speaker 1: nude ringtone for you.

2315
02:08:10,200 --> 02:08:11,879
Speaker 2: Well, that's great. Let's let that marinate.

2316
02:08:12,760 --> 02:08:15,240
Speaker 1: This is why we need the pitching podcast is verbal copyright,

2317
02:08:15,360 --> 02:08:20,240
Speaker 1: verbal copyright. That's the name of the show's verbal copyright. Right.

2318
02:08:21,800 --> 02:08:24,360
Speaker 1: They really should have done Gilligan's Island meets Star Trek.

2319
02:08:24,400 --> 02:08:25,440
Speaker 1: Come the fuck on.

2320
02:08:25,800 --> 02:08:28,400
Speaker 2: It's a little Swinstones meets the Jetsons, though.

2321
02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:31,680
Speaker 1: How dare you? How very dare you?

2322
02:08:33,240 --> 02:08:40,440
Speaker 5: Titanic Ahs Titanic one of those survivors swam a long

2323
02:08:40,520 --> 02:08:44,000
Speaker 5: ass way, yeah, or they're just on an iceberg instead

2324
02:08:44,040 --> 02:08:46,240
Speaker 5: of an island Gilligan's iceberg.

2325
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're such good executives. We are killing this right now.

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02:08:55,960 --> 02:08:58,440
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Oh? Yes, more TV?

2327
02:09:00,560 --> 02:09:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, more TV reunions with the castaways, which are nowhere

2328
02:09:04,840 --> 02:09:07,800
Speaker 2: near as interesting in these mainefit TV movies. There was

2329
02:09:07,840 --> 02:09:11,280
Speaker 2: a nineteen eighty seven episode of ALF titled Somewhere Over

2330
02:09:11,320 --> 02:09:15,280
Speaker 2: the rerun, which featured Alan Hale Junior the Skipper, Bob Denver, Gilligan,

2331
02:09:16,000 --> 02:09:19,240
Speaker 2: Russell Johnson the Professor, and Don Wells as mary Anne,

2332
02:09:19,840 --> 02:09:22,760
Speaker 2: all in character. There was also a nineteen ninety five

2333
02:09:22,840 --> 02:09:26,360
Speaker 2: episode of Roseanne. I still don't understand why this occurred

2334
02:09:26,600 --> 02:09:31,560
Speaker 2: that featured Gilligan's Island actors playing roles in the Roseanne sitcom.

2335
02:09:32,040 --> 02:09:35,120
Speaker 2: I guess this is somewhat fitting because the two shows

2336
02:09:35,120 --> 02:09:39,240
Speaker 2: were filmed on the same CBS soundstage. Bob Denver played Jackie,

2337
02:09:39,680 --> 02:09:42,720
Speaker 2: Don Wells played Darlene, and they even managed to coax

2338
02:09:42,760 --> 02:09:46,560
Speaker 2: a rare appearance from Tina Louise, presumably because.

2339
02:09:46,320 --> 02:09:50,720
Speaker 1: She was given the lead role of Roseanne. Aside from

2340
02:09:50,720 --> 02:09:54,160
Speaker 1: the Roseanne cameo, Tina Louise only ever appeared but the

2341
02:09:54,160 --> 02:09:58,000
Speaker 1: cast on two TV talk show reunions, once in nineteen

2342
02:09:58,040 --> 02:10:00,800
Speaker 1: eighty two on The Good Morning America Show and another

2343
02:10:00,880 --> 02:10:02,840
Speaker 1: time in nineteen eighty eight on The Late Show with

2344
02:10:02,960 --> 02:10:07,400
Speaker 1: Ross Schaeffer, where the seven castaways were joined by Sherwood Schwartz,

2345
02:10:07,800 --> 02:10:10,960
Speaker 1: and it was the last time the seven ever reunited

2346
02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:14,880
Speaker 1: on television. Okay, so music changes, music goes to minor key.

2347
02:10:14,880 --> 02:10:16,880
Speaker 1: Now we have to get serious. But I just wanted

2348
02:10:16,920 --> 02:10:20,440
Speaker 1: to point out that there's a Gilligan's Island musical, so

2349
02:10:20,720 --> 02:10:25,720
Speaker 1: by who some theory kids? Sounds awesome. Yeah, all right,

2350
02:10:25,960 --> 02:10:27,160
Speaker 1: wrap it up, You're dying.

2351
02:10:27,680 --> 02:10:30,480
Speaker 2: Gilligan's Island experienced the resurgence when it was included in

2352
02:10:30,520 --> 02:10:34,280
Speaker 2: a retro syndicated after school programming block for Ted Doerner's

2353
02:10:34,360 --> 02:10:37,360
Speaker 2: Nascent TVs channel on the late eighties, and it was

2354
02:10:37,360 --> 02:10:39,720
Speaker 2: given a further boost thanks to its inclusion on Nicked

2355
02:10:39,800 --> 02:10:43,120
Speaker 2: Knight and TV Land throughout the nineties and early two thousands.

2356
02:10:43,440 --> 02:10:45,720
Speaker 2: This led to a semi revival of the show during

2357
02:10:45,720 --> 02:10:47,960
Speaker 2: the peak of the reality TV boom in two thousand

2358
02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:51,760
Speaker 2: and four with the TVs series The Real Gilligans Island.

2359
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:55,320
Speaker 2: This survivor esque show featured a cast of contestants marooned

2360
02:10:55,360 --> 02:10:57,920
Speaker 2: on an island and what I've seen referred to as

2361
02:10:58,000 --> 02:11:02,080
Speaker 2: quote the Mexican Caribbean, a phrase I have never heard

2362
02:11:02,080 --> 02:11:05,880
Speaker 2: before or since, and forced a complete challenges inspired by

2363
02:11:05,880 --> 02:11:09,160
Speaker 2: the original sitcom. Naturally, each castaway was matched to the

2364
02:11:09,240 --> 02:11:12,640
Speaker 2: character type from Gilligan's Island. There was a captain, an actress,

2365
02:11:12,680 --> 02:11:14,200
Speaker 2: a millionaire's wife, and.

2366
02:11:15,760 --> 02:11:16,360
Speaker 1: A klutz.

2367
02:11:17,480 --> 02:11:20,360
Speaker 2: Though it was given the predictable marketing blitz by TVs.

2368
02:11:20,520 --> 02:11:22,520
Speaker 2: The show was a flop and canceled in two thousand

2369
02:11:22,520 --> 02:11:26,320
Speaker 2: and five after two seasons. Sadly, this would have been

2370
02:11:26,360 --> 02:11:30,000
Speaker 2: the last Gilligan's Island themed event that Gilligan himself would

2371
02:11:30,000 --> 02:11:34,000
Speaker 2: have witnessed in his lifetime. Bob Denver had an interesting

2372
02:11:34,040 --> 02:11:37,680
Speaker 2: post Gilligan existence. He actually was somewhat relieved when the

2373
02:11:37,680 --> 02:11:40,680
Speaker 2: show was canceled, presumably because he went straight from a

2374
02:11:41,360 --> 02:11:43,760
Speaker 2: I even imagined demanding role on The Many Loves of

2375
02:11:43,800 --> 02:11:47,640
Speaker 2: Dobie Gillis straight into Gilligan's Island. He told a reporter

2376
02:11:47,760 --> 02:11:51,360
Speaker 2: that I've only had one day off in three years. Hilariously,

2377
02:11:51,680 --> 02:11:55,880
Speaker 2: Once Gilligan's Island was canceled, he bought a sailboat, the

2378
02:11:55,960 --> 02:11:58,760
Speaker 2: sight of which was often met with onlookers singing a

2379
02:11:58,840 --> 02:12:03,560
Speaker 2: three hour at him, because of course that's the thing,

2380
02:12:03,880 --> 02:12:09,400
Speaker 2: that's the thing. Yeah, he apparently didn't love that. I

2381
02:12:09,440 --> 02:12:11,760
Speaker 2: don't know why I find this so interesting. Apparently replaced

2382
02:12:11,760 --> 02:12:15,120
Speaker 2: Woody Allen in the Broadway production of Allen's play Played

2383
02:12:15,160 --> 02:12:18,600
Speaker 2: Against Sam in nineteen seventy, and later in his life

2384
02:12:18,600 --> 02:12:22,160
Speaker 2: he owned an oldies format radio station. Bob Denver was

2385
02:12:22,200 --> 02:12:27,600
Speaker 2: married four times and arrested twice. For marijuana possession hell yeah,

2386
02:12:27,640 --> 02:12:33,040
Speaker 2: which is sort of not surprising considering his iconic characters

2387
02:12:33,040 --> 02:12:36,360
Speaker 2: were a beatnick and a klutz. The first incident occurred

2388
02:12:36,400 --> 02:12:39,760
Speaker 2: in February nineteen seventy one, when drugs and drug paraphernalia

2389
02:12:39,800 --> 02:12:42,680
Speaker 2: were found in his car, to which he pled no contest.

2390
02:12:43,280 --> 02:12:46,120
Speaker 2: But the more bizarre instance took place in nineteen ninety

2391
02:12:46,160 --> 02:12:48,760
Speaker 2: eight when he was arrested for marijuana delivered to his

2392
02:12:48,840 --> 02:12:53,680
Speaker 2: home supposedly sent to him by Don Wells aka Marianne.

2393
02:12:54,560 --> 02:12:55,560
Speaker 1: Hell yah.

2394
02:12:55,640 --> 02:12:58,240
Speaker 2: He would refuse to rat Marianne out in court, however,

2395
02:12:58,360 --> 02:13:02,160
Speaker 2: instead testifying that quote some crazy fan must have sent it,

2396
02:13:02,880 --> 02:13:05,680
Speaker 2: he pleaded no contest and received six months probation.

2397
02:13:05,960 --> 02:13:10,040
Speaker 1: That's right, because Denver ain't no snitch. Yeah yeah.

2398
02:13:10,240 --> 02:13:13,440
Speaker 2: Sadly, Bob Denver was a heavy smoker of all things,

2399
02:13:14,080 --> 02:13:17,320
Speaker 2: and in two thousand and five he received cancer treatment

2400
02:13:17,360 --> 02:13:20,560
Speaker 2: and the heart bypass. He died on September second of

2401
02:13:20,560 --> 02:13:24,680
Speaker 2: two thousand and five at the age of seventy from complications.

2402
02:13:23,920 --> 02:13:27,440
Speaker 1: Following his throat cancer surgery. This is where it gets

2403
02:13:27,440 --> 02:13:28,080
Speaker 1: a little weird.

2404
02:13:28,600 --> 02:13:31,960
Speaker 2: Apparently, Bob Denver and death are old friends, because.

2405
02:13:31,640 --> 02:13:33,200
Speaker 1: Way back in nineteen sixty one.

2406
02:13:33,360 --> 02:13:36,880
Speaker 2: In his pre Gilligan days, he was reported dead more

2407
02:13:36,920 --> 02:13:41,200
Speaker 2: than thirty six times in more than thirty states, for

2408
02:13:41,320 --> 02:13:44,480
Speaker 2: reasons that are totally beyond me. It became a common

2409
02:13:44,560 --> 02:13:47,640
Speaker 2: prank to call a newspaper and ask, is it true

2410
02:13:47,640 --> 02:13:51,200
Speaker 2: Bob Denver is dead? Purely done in an attempt to

2411
02:13:51,240 --> 02:13:54,280
Speaker 2: annoy him. He was quoted at the time as saying,

2412
02:13:54,360 --> 02:13:57,240
Speaker 2: at first it was spooky, then it seemed like a gag,

2413
02:13:57,760 --> 02:13:59,000
Speaker 2: but when it kept up, it.

2414
02:13:58,920 --> 02:13:59,960
Speaker 1: Made me somewhat angry.

2415
02:14:01,680 --> 02:14:06,520
Speaker 2: Hilariously, weirdness continued even after Bob Denver died for real.

2416
02:14:07,360 --> 02:14:10,800
Speaker 2: In September twenty twelve, Twitter exploded with the news of

2417
02:14:10,840 --> 02:14:15,040
Speaker 2: his death when someone retweeted an MSNBC oh bit that

2418
02:14:15,200 --> 02:14:19,200
Speaker 2: was seven years old. Because people don't read, they assumed

2419
02:14:19,200 --> 02:14:22,400
Speaker 2: it was breaking news, and the tweet went viral, leading

2420
02:14:22,440 --> 02:14:26,160
Speaker 2: some not especially cautious news outlets to post the not

2421
02:14:26,320 --> 02:14:31,400
Speaker 2: technically inaccurate news that Bob Denver had died, except they

2422
02:14:31,400 --> 02:14:34,480
Speaker 2: failed to note that he had died seven years earlier.

2423
02:14:35,160 --> 02:14:39,440
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's rich in a wrish text.

2424
02:14:39,600 --> 02:14:43,240
Speaker 2: It's a very gilligan esque end to Bob Denver's life.

2425
02:14:43,960 --> 02:14:46,720
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah, good stuff. Bring it home from me.

2426
02:14:46,760 --> 02:14:50,280
Speaker 1: Bab that's really good. Yes, the Skipper. Unlike certain numbers

2427
02:14:50,280 --> 02:14:52,520
Speaker 1: of the Gilligan's Island cast, who will talk about Alan

2428
02:14:52,640 --> 02:14:55,520
Speaker 1: Hale Junior had no problem in preasing his legacy. In

2429
02:14:55,680 --> 02:14:57,960
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven episode of Batman, he plays a cook

2430
02:14:57,960 --> 02:15:02,200
Speaker 1: at a diner named Gilligan, actually not his character name,

2431
02:15:02,520 --> 02:15:05,640
Speaker 1: as keen eared, fans of the show picked up on.

2432
02:15:06,960 --> 02:15:09,160
Speaker 1: In the seventies, he ran a restaurant just off Las

2433
02:15:09,160 --> 02:15:11,960
Speaker 1: Sunset Strip called Alan Hale Junior's Lobster Barrels.

2434
02:15:13,120 --> 02:15:15,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, that's funny, that is It's fine.

2435
02:15:17,680 --> 02:15:19,840
Speaker 1: I guess my first thought was immediately, well, how were

2436
02:15:19,840 --> 02:15:23,800
Speaker 1: the cheddar biscuits? Each place setting was decorated with a

2437
02:15:23,840 --> 02:15:26,320
Speaker 1: photo of the Skipper, and Haled himself would often drop

2438
02:15:26,400 --> 02:15:29,800
Speaker 1: into his place in his own costume to greet diners.

2439
02:15:30,360 --> 02:15:33,000
Speaker 1: After the place closed. He launched Alan Hale's Quality and

2440
02:15:33,120 --> 02:15:37,440
Speaker 1: Leisure travel on agency that arranged four boat tours. In

2441
02:15:37,480 --> 02:15:39,880
Speaker 1: the eighties, he revived his character once again for episodes

2442
02:15:39,920 --> 02:15:42,800
Speaker 1: of the sixties TV show reboot The New Gidget, as

2443
02:15:42,840 --> 02:15:45,640
Speaker 1: well as episodes of Growing Pains and the aforementioned episode

2444
02:15:45,680 --> 02:15:48,760
Speaker 1: of alf even appeared in an ad for Canadian Car

2445
02:15:48,800 --> 02:15:52,959
Speaker 1: dealership employing viewers to visit Ensign Chrysler Plymouth in Victoria.

2446
02:15:53,240 --> 02:15:56,360
Speaker 1: Tell him the skippers said you so clearly. It didn't

2447
02:15:56,400 --> 02:15:59,360
Speaker 1: take much for Alan Hale Junior to don his skipper costume.

2448
02:15:59,400 --> 02:16:01,840
Speaker 1: As he would saynineteen eighty eight, Skipper has become my

2449
02:16:01,840 --> 02:16:06,680
Speaker 1: alter ego. I'm one and the same. Now, Okay, Alan

2450
02:16:06,720 --> 02:16:08,840
Speaker 1: Hale Junior had to die so the Skipper could live.

2451
02:16:09,920 --> 02:16:13,400
Speaker 2: Do you see there is no Alan Hill Jr. Only Skipper.

2452
02:16:13,960 --> 02:16:21,040
Speaker 1: Do you see my great becoming Thomas Harris reference for

2453
02:16:21,160 --> 02:16:25,320
Speaker 1: you Killigan's Island meets Hannibal because he goes into hiding

2454
02:16:25,960 --> 02:16:27,520
Speaker 1: on the resort that they found.

2455
02:16:27,600 --> 02:16:29,280
Speaker 2: It is at the end of silence of the lamps.

2456
02:16:29,280 --> 02:16:30,480
Speaker 2: He's walking off into.

2457
02:16:30,600 --> 02:16:34,800
Speaker 1: Yes, he's walking into Skillions the resort. Yes, that's good.

2458
02:16:34,840 --> 02:16:39,920
Speaker 1: That's very verable contract Verbo trade rite trademark. Alan Hill

2459
02:16:40,000 --> 02:16:41,880
Speaker 1: Junior admirably did a lot of work for charity, even

2460
02:16:41,879 --> 02:16:44,400
Speaker 1: when he's being treated for cancer. The diagnosis he kept

2461
02:16:44,400 --> 02:16:46,520
Speaker 1: so private that even his wife didn't know about for

2462
02:16:46,560 --> 02:16:48,600
Speaker 1: a time until she figured it out on his own.

2463
02:16:48,959 --> 02:16:54,520
Speaker 1: That is the most mid century mail. Yeah, I can imagine,

2464
02:16:54,640 --> 02:16:56,720
Speaker 1: oh man, And this was the guy, of course who

2465
02:16:56,720 --> 02:17:00,440
Speaker 1: had kept his broken arm a secret for weeks. He

2466
02:17:00,560 --> 02:17:03,680
Speaker 1: frequently visited children's cancer warts to help cheer up the kids,

2467
02:17:04,160 --> 02:17:06,760
Speaker 1: and when a child inquired about his own cancer related

2468
02:17:06,800 --> 02:17:08,920
Speaker 1: weight loss, Hale told him he was going to be

2469
02:17:08,920 --> 02:17:15,000
Speaker 1: playing Gilligan in a new Gilligan's Island show. There's a

2470
02:17:15,040 --> 02:17:18,080
Speaker 1: famous story of him visiting a young terminally ill Gilligan's

2471
02:17:18,080 --> 02:17:21,960
Speaker 1: Island fan in costume as he himself was dying, telling

2472
02:17:22,040 --> 02:17:24,879
Speaker 1: him the skipper is here and everything is going to

2473
02:17:24,879 --> 02:17:28,520
Speaker 1: be all right. Hal died in January nineteen ninety at

2474
02:17:28,520 --> 02:17:31,280
Speaker 1: the age of sixty eight, and appropriately his ashes were

2475
02:17:31,320 --> 02:17:36,480
Speaker 1: scattered over the Pacific Ocean. Now onto the professor, not

2476
02:17:36,600 --> 02:17:39,880
Speaker 1: a ton that's interesting about him? Yeah, came on an

2477
02:17:39,879 --> 02:17:41,760
Speaker 1: episode of New Heart. Is a hotel guest who gets

2478
02:17:41,760 --> 02:17:44,240
Speaker 1: evicted from his room while watching an episode of Gilligan's Island,

2479
02:17:44,480 --> 02:17:46,640
Speaker 1: and as he's dragged out, he protests, I want to

2480
02:17:46,640 --> 02:17:49,160
Speaker 1: see how it ends, whereupon he is assured that the

2481
02:17:49,200 --> 02:17:52,320
Speaker 1: castaways do not get off the island. Johnson also played

2482
02:17:52,320 --> 02:17:55,080
Speaker 1: the sheriff in several episodes of season nine of Dallas,

2483
02:17:56,120 --> 02:17:58,720
Speaker 1: but to Jordan, his most famous non Gilligan part is

2484
02:17:58,720 --> 02:18:01,440
Speaker 1: his role in the fifty sci fi clas This Island Earth,

2485
02:18:01,879 --> 02:18:04,560
Speaker 1: which has been parodied in the full length feature version

2486
02:18:04,640 --> 02:18:06,959
Speaker 1: of Mystery Science Theater three thousand. Have you seen it?

2487
02:18:06,959 --> 02:18:09,400
Speaker 1: It's good. No, jokes are a little better in the movie.

2488
02:18:09,440 --> 02:18:12,640
Speaker 1: I think, well, they had more time with it. Probably not.

2489
02:18:13,680 --> 02:18:16,160
Speaker 1: Russell Johnson also made the convention circuit thanks to the Mst.

2490
02:18:16,280 --> 02:18:19,280
Speaker 1: Thu K appearance, where he regaled crowds with what else,

2491
02:18:19,440 --> 02:18:23,080
Speaker 1: mostly stories from filming Gilligan's Island. He would later co

2492
02:18:23,120 --> 02:18:27,480
Speaker 1: author a book titled Here on Gilligan's Isle, Here on

2493
02:18:27,640 --> 02:18:32,400
Speaker 1: Gilligans Ah, that's that's the it's so weird calling it

2494
02:18:32,480 --> 02:18:35,920
Speaker 1: that like a suddenly turned to ash in my mouth. Well,

2495
02:18:36,120 --> 02:18:40,320
Speaker 1: the theme is Gilligan's Eye Here on Gilligan's USA Islands.

2496
02:18:40,680 --> 02:18:44,640
Speaker 1: But who says that? Maybe there was a trademark. Maybe

2497
02:18:44,640 --> 02:18:48,360
Speaker 1: somebody verbally trademarked Gilligan's Isle on the title MM could

2498
02:18:48,360 --> 02:18:50,360
Speaker 1: have been like the whole Georgia Merrill Night A Living Dead,

2499
02:18:50,879 --> 02:18:53,400
Speaker 1: Living Dead, where the one guy got the phrase living

2500
02:18:53,440 --> 02:18:58,039
Speaker 1: dead and George Ramiro got the chronological thing. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2501
02:18:58,120 --> 02:19:04,320
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, Hollywood, uh yeah the book Yeah. I would

2502
02:19:04,400 --> 02:19:07,160
Speaker 1: later co author book Heroin Gilligan's Eye, which offered behind

2503
02:19:07,200 --> 02:19:09,320
Speaker 1: the scene anecdotes and the revelation that the professor's many

2504
02:19:09,320 --> 02:19:14,720
Speaker 1: experiments were actually scientifically correct. Presumably, Johnson was a bit

2505
02:19:14,720 --> 02:19:17,560
Speaker 1: of a tinkerer. He told a story about buying tools

2506
02:19:17,560 --> 02:19:20,760
Speaker 1: that builders emporium one time, when the clerk stopped him

2507
02:19:20,760 --> 02:19:23,960
Speaker 1: and asked, are you going to fix the radio? Cute?

2508
02:19:24,600 --> 02:19:26,440
Speaker 1: He died of kidney failure in twenty fourteen at the

2509
02:19:26,480 --> 02:19:28,600
Speaker 1: age of eighty nine. Less cute.

2510
02:19:30,280 --> 02:19:33,440
Speaker 2: Speaking of less cute, it's over to mister Howell to

2511
02:19:33,520 --> 02:19:36,320
Speaker 2: quote Morrissey. He was the first of the Gang to die.

2512
02:19:37,240 --> 02:19:42,680
Speaker 1: Jordan, are you a surprised Smith's fan's smattering?

2513
02:19:42,800 --> 02:19:44,320
Speaker 2: Smattering, smattering?

2514
02:19:44,360 --> 02:19:46,520
Speaker 1: That was solo. That was a late solo. That was

2515
02:19:46,520 --> 02:19:48,960
Speaker 1: like I want to say, like two thousand and seven

2516
02:19:49,400 --> 02:19:51,879
Speaker 1: and eight. That was a solo. Morrissey, Yeah, first of

2517
02:19:51,920 --> 02:19:55,760
Speaker 1: the gang to die. Name Damon, I guess, yeah a lot.

2518
02:19:55,800 --> 02:19:57,480
Speaker 1: It's a good song anyway, all.

2519
02:19:57,480 --> 02:20:00,520
Speaker 2: Right, some of our British listeners. I think that was

2520
02:20:00,520 --> 02:20:03,120
Speaker 2: a big hit. Anyway, we have British listeners.

2521
02:20:03,480 --> 02:20:07,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, my apologies both for being British and all of

2522
02:20:07,280 --> 02:20:08,080
Speaker 1: the things I've said.

2523
02:20:08,280 --> 02:20:10,840
Speaker 2: Yes, our friend John Yeah, he went to he's a

2524
02:20:10,879 --> 02:20:12,360
Speaker 2: big fan of our Titanic series.

2525
02:20:12,840 --> 02:20:15,680
Speaker 1: John oh right, Yeah, Hey John, Sorry, I said all

2526
02:20:15,720 --> 02:20:21,080
Speaker 1: that stuff about the British constantly. All right, Jordan, take

2527
02:20:21,120 --> 02:20:23,600
Speaker 1: it home. Yes. Jim bachis who played mister Howe.

2528
02:20:23,640 --> 02:20:26,000
Speaker 2: He suffered from Parkinson's disease in his later years, and

2529
02:20:26,040 --> 02:20:28,240
Speaker 2: he was in very poor health throughout most of the eighties.

2530
02:20:28,920 --> 02:20:32,320
Speaker 2: That was apparent in the Harlem Globetrotters abomination in nineteen

2531
02:20:32,360 --> 02:20:34,720
Speaker 2: eighty two. In nineteen eighty seven, he had to be

2532
02:20:34,760 --> 02:20:38,800
Speaker 2: bodily carried into Sherwood Schwartz's seventieth birthday party because he

2533
02:20:38,800 --> 02:20:44,120
Speaker 2: could not manage the steps into Shrewood's house. Christ Around

2534
02:20:44,160 --> 02:20:46,440
Speaker 2: the same time, he reunited with his former co star

2535
02:20:46,560 --> 02:20:50,520
Speaker 2: Natalie Schaeffer in an advertisement for I Don't know why

2536
02:20:50,560 --> 02:20:55,120
Speaker 2: this occurred Orval Reddenbacher's Popcorn, playing the Howls one final

2537
02:20:55,200 --> 02:21:00,160
Speaker 2: time before passing away on July third, nineteen eighty nine.

2538
02:21:01,120 --> 02:21:03,920
Speaker 2: Speaking of the Howls, Natalie Schaeffer she had a tough

2539
02:21:03,920 --> 02:21:06,840
Speaker 2: time adjusting to life off the island. In a nineteen

2540
02:21:06,840 --> 02:21:10,160
Speaker 2: eighty nine interview with The Saint Louis Dispatch, Schaeffer detailed

2541
02:21:10,200 --> 02:21:13,640
Speaker 2: how the role limited her acting opportunities. She said, most

2542
02:21:13,640 --> 02:21:16,240
Speaker 2: of the young executives and casting agents don't see passed

2543
02:21:16,240 --> 02:21:18,960
Speaker 2: my role in Gilligan. I was on stage for years

2544
02:21:19,000 --> 02:21:21,400
Speaker 2: before the show, and I can still do drama that

2545
02:21:21,480 --> 02:21:24,400
Speaker 2: they don't see it that way. She died in nineteen

2546
02:21:24,440 --> 02:21:27,400
Speaker 2: ninety one a breast cancer, at the age of I

2547
02:21:27,440 --> 02:21:28,480
Speaker 2: think like ninety one.

2548
02:21:28,600 --> 02:21:31,320
Speaker 1: She had had a long life. Oh damn. Yeah.

2549
02:21:32,000 --> 02:21:34,560
Speaker 2: She was childless and left a significant portion of her

2550
02:21:34,640 --> 02:21:39,480
Speaker 2: fortune to her favorite teacup poodle, with instructions that the

2551
02:21:39,640 --> 02:21:42,800
Speaker 2: money be donated to the Motion Picture and Television hospital

2552
02:21:42,879 --> 02:21:46,640
Speaker 2: after the dog's death. The hospital now has a Natalie

2553
02:21:46,680 --> 02:21:47,560
Speaker 2: Schaeffer wing.

2554
02:21:47,760 --> 02:21:51,760
Speaker 1: Not the dog. They should have named it for the dog.

2555
02:21:52,480 --> 02:21:55,959
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's obviously what they should have done.

2556
02:21:58,040 --> 02:22:00,600
Speaker 2: It's rumored that Natalie Shaeffer also left money to her

2557
02:22:00,640 --> 02:22:04,640
Speaker 2: Gilligan's Island co star Don Wells aka Mary Anne, who

2558
02:22:04,720 --> 02:22:07,600
Speaker 2: lived with and helped care for Natalie while she was

2559
02:22:07,640 --> 02:22:11,920
Speaker 2: sick during her final days. Mary Anne, though Marianne, continues

2560
02:22:11,959 --> 02:22:13,880
Speaker 2: to be the best, she cared for Natalie Schaeffer.

2561
02:22:14,000 --> 02:22:15,360
Speaker 1: She sent pot to Bob Denver.

2562
02:22:16,120 --> 02:22:18,720
Speaker 2: I would hope by his request, because if not, that

2563
02:22:18,840 --> 02:22:22,840
Speaker 2: was a mean spirited prank that resulted in lawsuits. She

2564
02:22:22,879 --> 02:22:25,560
Speaker 2: went golfing regularly with Alan Hale and was the only

2565
02:22:25,600 --> 02:22:29,560
Speaker 2: cast member to attend this funeral service, upping her karmic

2566
02:22:29,640 --> 02:22:32,720
Speaker 2: cred even more. She owned a company called Wishing Wells

2567
02:22:33,400 --> 02:22:36,000
Speaker 2: her name is Don Wells, which made clothing for people

2568
02:22:36,040 --> 02:22:40,280
Speaker 2: with disabilities. Oh so we love Marianne. She was set

2569
02:22:40,320 --> 02:22:42,879
Speaker 2: to play the role of Nora in Disney's live action

2570
02:22:43,040 --> 02:22:46,199
Speaker 2: movie Pete Dragon, but bowed out at the last minute

2571
02:22:46,240 --> 02:22:47,959
Speaker 2: I'm not sure why, and was replaced with.

2572
02:22:48,000 --> 02:22:49,600
Speaker 1: Helen I Am Woman Ready.

2573
02:22:51,440 --> 02:22:53,720
Speaker 2: She also auditioned for the role of Lois Lane in

2574
02:22:53,800 --> 02:22:57,920
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy eight Superman alongside Christopher Reeve, but lost out

2575
02:22:57,920 --> 02:22:58,879
Speaker 2: to Margo Kidder.

2576
02:22:59,840 --> 02:23:01,360
Speaker 1: I could see her being really good in that. What

2577
02:23:01,360 --> 02:23:04,240
Speaker 1: do you think? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'll tell

2578
02:23:04,240 --> 02:23:07,160
Speaker 1: you a part that Marianne did. Get the spokeswoman for

2579
02:23:07,240 --> 02:23:14,640
Speaker 1: Idaho Potatoes. That's right, folks, Idaho Potatoes.

2580
02:23:17,720 --> 02:23:19,520
Speaker 2: She got the gig in two thousand and four and

2581
02:23:19,560 --> 02:23:22,400
Speaker 2: performed for duties with great a plum over the years.

2582
02:23:22,520 --> 02:23:25,359
Speaker 2: In fact, a publicity video released by the Idaho Potato

2583
02:23:25,360 --> 02:23:28,600
Speaker 2: Commission featuring Wells demonstrating the perfect weight to appeal and

2584
02:23:28,680 --> 02:23:34,800
Speaker 2: Idaho potato went viral, racking up ten million views on YouTube.

2585
02:23:35,720 --> 02:23:38,280
Speaker 2: I can only assume there's some kind of fetish that

2586
02:23:38,320 --> 02:23:39,240
Speaker 2: we are not aware of.

2587
02:23:39,680 --> 02:23:42,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's that's a Midwestern thing?

2588
02:23:44,520 --> 02:23:47,120
Speaker 2: Stone Wells, in addition to being extremely kind, was also

2589
02:23:47,200 --> 02:23:50,240
Speaker 2: kind of brilliant when it came to business. The premiere

2590
02:23:50,280 --> 02:23:53,120
Speaker 2: of Gilligo's Island took place just before syndication became a

2591
02:23:53,120 --> 02:23:56,680
Speaker 2: common practice in sitcoms, and all the actors signed deals

2592
02:23:56,680 --> 02:24:00,119
Speaker 2: that guaranteed them a certain number of money per original episode,

2593
02:24:00,240 --> 02:24:04,320
Speaker 2: plus residual payment for the first five repeats of each episode,

2594
02:24:04,640 --> 02:24:06,560
Speaker 2: because that was how it was done in the mid sixties,

2595
02:24:06,600 --> 02:24:10,120
Speaker 2: since TV shows were usually only rerun as summer repeats

2596
02:24:10,160 --> 02:24:13,520
Speaker 2: between seasons. But Don's husband at the time was a

2597
02:24:13,520 --> 02:24:15,640
Speaker 2: talent agent, and he advised her to ask for an

2598
02:24:15,680 --> 02:24:21,240
Speaker 2: amendment to her contract, promising her residuals in perpetuity. Producers

2599
02:24:21,640 --> 02:24:23,879
Speaker 2: didn't care because I never assumed that the show would

2600
02:24:23,879 --> 02:24:27,080
Speaker 2: be airing six years later, let alone sixty years later,

2601
02:24:27,800 --> 02:24:30,640
Speaker 2: and as a result, Don Wells became the only cast

2602
02:24:30,680 --> 02:24:33,360
Speaker 2: member to continue to earn money on the show throughout

2603
02:24:33,400 --> 02:24:37,440
Speaker 2: her entire life. Sherwood Schwartz also did because he created

2604
02:24:37,480 --> 02:24:40,720
Speaker 2: the show. Obviously, he earned an apparent ninety million dollars

2605
02:24:40,720 --> 02:24:43,800
Speaker 2: from Gilligan's Island before his death in twenty eleven at

2606
02:24:43,800 --> 02:24:47,600
Speaker 2: the age of ninety four. Ninety million from Gilligan's Island alone,

2607
02:24:47,680 --> 02:24:52,440
Speaker 2: not to mention the Brady Bunchkin country. My god, Well

2608
02:24:52,840 --> 02:24:56,320
Speaker 2: hold that thought, because there's there's some more uniquely American

2609
02:24:56,680 --> 02:25:00,640
Speaker 2: twists in this. Unfortunately, what I imagine to be sizeable

2610
02:25:00,640 --> 02:25:05,360
Speaker 2: residuals and her inheritance from Natalie Schaeffer were not enough

2611
02:25:05,360 --> 02:25:07,800
Speaker 2: to shield Don Wells from the evils of the American

2612
02:25:07,840 --> 02:25:13,200
Speaker 2: healthcare system. In twenty eighteen, a friend started a GoFundMe

2613
02:25:13,320 --> 02:25:16,800
Speaker 2: page for her benefit to assist in healthcare payments after

2614
02:25:16,879 --> 02:25:20,520
Speaker 2: she was reportedly quote desperate and quote lost everything in

2615
02:25:20,560 --> 02:25:24,320
Speaker 2: her life savings due to an unexpected life saving surgery

2616
02:25:24,680 --> 02:25:27,199
Speaker 2: and two month recovery period in a hospital.

2617
02:25:27,440 --> 02:25:29,560
Speaker 1: Christ See, that's what you got to keep acting, man,

2618
02:25:29,600 --> 02:25:33,000
Speaker 1: because you get the SAG insurance. Oh yeah, yeah, yea yeah,

2619
02:25:33,200 --> 02:25:36,920
Speaker 1: just enough to qualify. Yeah. According to Fox News, it

2620
02:25:36,959 --> 02:25:40,520
Speaker 1: was a botched surgery to repair a broken knee. He

2621
02:25:40,600 --> 02:25:43,320
Speaker 1: go fund me description detail that Wells had been struggling

2622
02:25:43,320 --> 02:25:46,320
Speaker 1: financially since the two thousand and eight recession and needed

2623
02:25:46,320 --> 02:25:48,920
Speaker 1: extra help in paying off her hospital bills and also

2624
02:25:48,959 --> 02:25:54,800
Speaker 1: some additional IRS penalties. There it is Dawn, you scam.

2625
02:25:54,920 --> 02:25:57,640
Speaker 2: Thankfully, she earned nearly two hundred thousand dollars from the

2626
02:25:57,640 --> 02:26:01,640
Speaker 2: crowdsourcing platform, which I feels only fair considering all the

2627
02:26:01,720 --> 02:26:05,600
Speaker 2: joy she's given people over the years. Sadly, she died

2628
02:26:05,680 --> 02:26:11,360
Speaker 2: on December thirtieth, twenty twenty of COVID nineteen. The week

2629
02:26:11,400 --> 02:26:13,879
Speaker 2: prior to her death, she recorded a Happy New Year

2630
02:26:14,000 --> 02:26:16,959
Speaker 2: video to release on the holiday, which fell a day

2631
02:26:17,240 --> 02:26:23,680
Speaker 2: after her death. Ugh this leaves Tina Luise as the

2632
02:26:23,720 --> 02:26:27,680
Speaker 2: sole surviving cast member of Gilligan's Island, which proves that the.

2633
02:26:27,720 --> 02:26:29,160
Speaker 1: Universe is a sense of humor.

2634
02:26:29,920 --> 02:26:33,760
Speaker 2: Because she famously hated the experience, believing that it ruined

2635
02:26:33,760 --> 02:26:36,280
Speaker 2: her acting career and led to her forever being cast

2636
02:26:36,400 --> 02:26:40,560
Speaker 2: as ginger analogs, Tina Louise attempted the shehad he comedic

2637
02:26:40,560 --> 02:26:43,440
Speaker 2: image by playing darker roles, such as a heroin addict

2638
02:26:43,440 --> 02:26:46,200
Speaker 2: in a nineteen seventy four episode of Kojak Nice and

2639
02:26:46,240 --> 02:26:49,600
Speaker 2: a cruel corrections officer in the nineteen seventy six television

2640
02:26:49,600 --> 02:26:54,360
Speaker 2: movie Nightmare. In Batham County, as Russell Johnson, the Professor

2641
02:26:54,360 --> 02:26:57,160
Speaker 2: would say, she quote divorced herself from the show as

2642
02:26:57,200 --> 02:26:59,560
Speaker 2: soon as it went off the air and refused to

2643
02:26:59,600 --> 02:27:02,480
Speaker 2: participate in any of the reunion projects between two to

2644
02:27:02,600 --> 02:27:05,959
Speaker 2: one off talk show appearances in the eighties. In that way,

2645
02:27:06,000 --> 02:27:09,280
Speaker 2: she's like jan from Sherwood Schwartz's other smash, The Brady Bunch,

2646
02:27:09,800 --> 02:27:12,640
Speaker 2: who also declined to participate in a lot of Reunion

2647
02:27:12,920 --> 02:27:17,640
Speaker 2: TV spinoffs. And also, I think they played like a

2648
02:27:17,760 --> 02:27:20,560
Speaker 2: teenage runaway or a hooker or something. Try to shad

2649
02:27:20,600 --> 02:27:22,240
Speaker 2: her her Brady Bunch image anyway.

2650
02:27:22,879 --> 02:27:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta do what you gotta do, man. Yeah.

2651
02:27:25,480 --> 02:27:28,240
Speaker 2: In Tina Louise's defense, she reportedly offered to appear in

2652
02:27:28,280 --> 02:27:31,760
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy eighth Rescue from Gilligan's Island made for TV movie,

2653
02:27:31,760 --> 02:27:36,280
Speaker 2: but the salary she demanded was considered too high. Don Wells,

2654
02:27:36,320 --> 02:27:39,840
Speaker 2: as we mentioned earlier, voiced both Marianne and Ginger's characters

2655
02:27:39,879 --> 02:27:43,240
Speaker 2: in the cartoon Gilligan's Planet, which may have been partially

2656
02:27:43,280 --> 02:27:46,880
Speaker 2: responsible for the beef between them. They reportedly turned down

2657
02:27:47,040 --> 02:27:49,920
Speaker 2: many requests to appear on TV together and also in

2658
02:27:50,000 --> 02:27:51,400
Speaker 2: ad campaigns.

2659
02:27:50,840 --> 02:27:51,520
Speaker 1: Over the years.

2660
02:27:52,040 --> 02:27:54,800
Speaker 2: Reportedly because they never much cared for one another and

2661
02:27:54,879 --> 02:27:59,000
Speaker 2: didn't speak for a long long time. The big exception

2662
02:27:59,320 --> 02:28:02,240
Speaker 2: I've seen it was a nineties old Navy ad which

2663
02:28:02,320 --> 02:28:05,199
Speaker 2: featured the pair reprising their roles as Marianne and Ginger

2664
02:28:05,560 --> 02:28:06,880
Speaker 2: still stuck on the island.

2665
02:28:07,240 --> 02:28:09,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't able to find that though. I did find

2666
02:28:09,640 --> 02:28:12,600
Speaker 1: some island based old Navy ads, but I couldn't find

2667
02:28:12,600 --> 02:28:17,160
Speaker 1: that one on YouTube. You know, island based old navy

2668
02:28:17,160 --> 02:28:22,160
Speaker 1: ads that old saw set on an island. Yeah, I

2669
02:28:22,160 --> 02:28:23,680
Speaker 1: think I remember that commercial.

2670
02:28:24,000 --> 02:28:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I kind of did too, but it

2671
02:28:26,720 --> 02:28:29,680
Speaker 2: seems highly mandelible though, that's true.

2672
02:28:29,800 --> 02:28:30,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2673
02:28:30,480 --> 02:28:33,800
Speaker 2: Tiner Louise's relations with series star Bob Denver were rumored

2674
02:28:33,840 --> 02:28:36,120
Speaker 2: to be strained as well, but in two thousand and

2675
02:28:36,120 --> 02:28:39,160
Speaker 2: five she wrote a brief, affectionate memorial to him.

2676
02:28:39,040 --> 02:28:42,760
Speaker 1: In the year end farewell issue of Entertainment Weekly, shortly

2677
02:28:42,800 --> 02:28:43,600
Speaker 1: after his death.

2678
02:28:44,920 --> 02:28:49,119
Speaker 2: However, in December twenty twenty, I would assume shortly before

2679
02:28:49,160 --> 02:28:52,440
Speaker 2: Don Wells dies, considering she died on the thirtieth, unless

2680
02:28:52,480 --> 02:28:54,880
Speaker 2: they got it right under the wire on the thirty first.

2681
02:28:55,680 --> 02:28:58,320
Speaker 2: Tina Louise deny that she ever resented the role of

2682
02:28:58,400 --> 02:29:01,680
Speaker 2: Ginger Grant never true, she said, I love doing my part,

2683
02:29:02,000 --> 02:29:04,760
Speaker 2: especially after they really started writing for my character.

2684
02:29:05,000 --> 02:29:07,160
Speaker 1: Originally Bill was a Marilyn Monroe type.

2685
02:29:07,920 --> 02:29:10,720
Speaker 2: A different director took over and really started to write

2686
02:29:10,720 --> 02:29:14,320
Speaker 2: for my character. I really loved my character without naming her,

2687
02:29:15,680 --> 02:29:17,119
Speaker 2: but you know, at the end of the day.

2688
02:29:16,920 --> 02:29:17,680
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't she.

2689
02:29:18,080 --> 02:29:21,840
Speaker 2: It's a show that brought three generations by now sixty

2690
02:29:21,920 --> 02:29:25,960
Speaker 2: years of fans, so much joy, and you know, considering

2691
02:29:26,000 --> 02:29:29,080
Speaker 2: I think we've just hit exactly three hours.

2692
02:29:29,440 --> 02:29:31,879
Speaker 1: Oh, I think that's an appropriate place to end our

2693
02:29:31,920 --> 02:29:36,840
Speaker 1: three hour tour of Gilligan's Islands. Nailed it, That's all

2694
02:29:37,800 --> 02:29:41,640
Speaker 1: I always thinking other Gilligan's Island spin offs. Oh, where

2695
02:29:41,680 --> 02:29:44,160
Speaker 1: you got Killigan's Island Escape from Beneath the Planet of

2696
02:29:44,200 --> 02:29:48,240
Speaker 1: the Apes? Mm hmm, Gilligan's Island Cruise Control where they

2697
02:29:48,280 --> 02:29:51,840
Speaker 1: get picked up by a cruise ship. Nice. Nice, nice.

2698
02:29:51,879 --> 02:29:53,680
Speaker 1: Now you're cooking on Now you're cooking with gas. That's

2699
02:29:53,720 --> 02:29:54,200
Speaker 1: all you need.

2700
02:29:54,240 --> 02:29:56,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't need anything, And that became the

2701
02:29:56,280 --> 02:29:57,320
Speaker 2: Love Boat.

2702
02:29:59,760 --> 02:30:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. How deep does it go? Mike? Think goes all

2703
02:30:04,600 --> 02:30:07,879
Speaker 1: the way to the top? Is that?

2704
02:30:07,959 --> 02:30:10,360
Speaker 2: The last chapter in Chaos the Charles Manson book. We

2705
02:30:10,400 --> 02:30:11,920
Speaker 2: started talking about three hours ago.

2706
02:30:11,800 --> 02:30:14,040
Speaker 1: Twenty years, the next twenty years of our life, Buddy,

2707
02:30:14,080 --> 02:30:15,840
Speaker 1: he's better strap in. You and I are going to

2708
02:30:15,879 --> 02:30:19,600
Speaker 1: be seeing a lot of each other. Ah, this has

2709
02:30:19,640 --> 02:30:23,400
Speaker 1: been too much information. I'm Alex Heigel and I'm Jordan Runtogg.

2710
02:30:23,640 --> 02:30:31,080
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2712
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2713
02:30:36,160 --> 02:30:39,120
Speaker 2: The show's supervising producer is Michael Alder June.

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02:30:39,280 --> 02:30:42,400
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