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Speaker 7: We go back to President was just in the Oval
Speaker 7: Office dealing with and he's right about this. We don't
Speaker 7: know whether the DEI hiring practices of p Buddha Judge
Speaker 7: and the Harris Biden administration had any impact on this
Speaker 7: particular case. We just don't know. We just know that
Speaker 7: under Buddha Judge that they came up with language. It
Speaker 7: was on the website of the FAA up until the
Speaker 7: twenty second of January this year that they did have
Speaker 7: up there very specific language that said people that suffer
Speaker 7: severe intellectual disability, psychiatric problem, and other mental and physical
Speaker 7: conditions under a diversity and inclusion hiring initiative spelled out
Speaker 7: the agency's website. Now, does that mean in any way
Speaker 7: that this impacted what happened in this case.
Speaker 6: Nobody knows. We don't know.
Speaker 7: But the President went on to say what I was
Speaker 7: saying is is that those criteria should not be a
Speaker 7: factor in hiring anybody that is an air traffic controller
Speaker 7: or works in the FAA. And now, learning from John Solomon,
Speaker 7: just thenews dot com. The mid air collision between this
Speaker 7: American Airlines passenger jet and this Army Blackhawk helicopter was
Speaker 7: preceded by months of near misses at airports all across
Speaker 7: the country, as well as increasingly shrill warnings that the
Speaker 7: nation's air traffic control and safety system was stretched to
Speaker 7: the limit, and regulators acknowledged this that in twenty twenty
Speaker 7: three there were nineteen serious their description near missus at
Speaker 7: US airports and that they could have been catastrophic, one
Speaker 7: of the largest totals that we've had in years. And
Speaker 7: only fourteen months before what happened last night at Reagan National,
Speaker 7: the FAA received a safety expert report that warned America's
Speaker 7: air traffic control system is suffering from quality control issues,
Speaker 7: staffing shortages. That's putting safety at risk. Now, what was
Speaker 7: the president's point? He goes, you need various the top
Speaker 7: people in these positions. And you know, he said he's
Speaker 7: going to get to the bottom of it immediately, and
Speaker 7: these DEI practices are finished. You have to hire the
Speaker 7: best people for the job. That's all there is to it.
Speaker 7: And you know, things like this can be avoided, and
Speaker 7: we want them to be avoided anyway. Joining us now
Speaker 7: to discuss John Scott is with us, of course. John
Speaker 7: hosts The Fox Report every Saturday and Sunday six pm
Speaker 7: on the Fox News Channel. Been a colleague of mine
Speaker 7: my entire time at Fox News. He's a private pilot himself.
Speaker 7: Marine Corps Colonel William Bernard Dunn is with us, a
Speaker 7: military attack helicopter pilot who has flown in and around DC.
Speaker 7: We welcome you both to the program. John, I'll start
Speaker 7: with you. You've been a pilot for a long time. This
Speaker 7: has been a passion of hers for a long time.
Speaker 8: It has. Yeah, I've loved aviation since I was a kid.
Speaker 7: Yeah, let's talk about you know, first of all, John
Speaker 7: Solomon's report is very alarming to me. There have been
Speaker 7: all these near misses and at historic levels at airports
Speaker 7: around the country. You know, that seems to now be
Speaker 7: looking back in hindsight at the Canary and the coal mine.
Speaker 7: But things like this really can be prevented if we
Speaker 7: take proper control of the skies. This is a preventable accident, right, and.
Speaker 8: Just about every aviation accident is preventable. You know. It's
Speaker 8: rarely the situation where one thing happens that causes a
Speaker 8: flight to go down. It's not, you know, normal for
Speaker 8: a plane to go up in the wing, falls off
Speaker 8: or something like that. If usually, one small mistake leads
Speaker 8: to another, leads to another, leads to another. And I
Speaker 8: think some of that is clearly visible in what happened
Speaker 8: last night and I'm sure it will be outlined in
Speaker 8: the eventual in TSB report.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then let me bring in Marine Corps Colonel
Speaker 7: William Bernard Dunn. Every aircraft has what's called a t
Speaker 7: CAST system, a traffic collision warning system, and I'm just
Speaker 7: a little bit surprised because in helicopters and in any
Speaker 7: jet in this particular case, they have very sophisticated avionics
Speaker 7: and warning systems, and the redundancy is very and you
Speaker 7: would imagine at some point that both the helicopter and
Speaker 7: the airliner jet were being worn by the system and
Speaker 7: somehow something didn't work in this case. Any theories of
Speaker 7: what might have happened, or is this like most cases
Speaker 7: when you have a crash, as usually, is pilot error
Speaker 7: or it could be air traffic control error.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Sean, thanks for having me. I watched the video
Speaker 9: today of the impact. You know one thing, if you
Speaker 9: have a TACASS and you're in an airport area, you
Speaker 9: know that TACAST is going to be going off over
Speaker 9: and over again. And it's very logical that sometimes a
Speaker 9: pilot becomes very insensitized to it and may even turn
Speaker 9: it off, which would not be necessarily unusual in this
Speaker 9: instant the TCASS. What should have prevented this aircraft misapp
Speaker 9: is the pilot seeing the other aircraft and the air
Speaker 9: traffic control. And I am not pointing fingers at anybody,
Speaker 9: but I have flown Cobra aircraft right around Reagan National
Speaker 9: Airport before, and normally, when you're flying a helicopter out there,
Speaker 9: you'll have a limitation of being you have to stay
Speaker 9: one hundred feet below, or at least when I flew
Speaker 9: out there.
Speaker 4: They did.
Speaker 9: This aircraft was substantially higher than that and actually flew
Speaker 9: right in the flight path of the jet. So the
Speaker 9: pilot should have been able to see it, and the
Speaker 9: crew should have been able to see it as well
Speaker 9: as the aircraft controller should have made sure they had
Speaker 9: clear avoidance.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean and us in every case, correct me
Speaker 7: if I'm wrong. The jet that is on a track
Speaker 7: towards a landing and descending about the land they always
Speaker 7: have the first right to continue their flight. It would
Speaker 7: be the obligation of the helicopter pilot to get out
Speaker 7: of the way, would it not.
Speaker 9: It would absolutely, And in aviation, the aircraft that's the
Speaker 9: most maneuverable has got the requirement or separation and so
Speaker 9: the helicopter's way more maneuveral, substantially more maneuverable than the jet,
Speaker 9: and the jets on a path that they can't maneuver
Speaker 9: very well without.
Speaker 7: And the air and the jet has the right of
Speaker 7: way under FA rules right absolutely.
Speaker 9: And they're both they both should have been under positive control.
Speaker 9: I heard that there has been calls to the helicopter
Speaker 9: and they didn't respond, which could have meant they were
Speaker 9: dealing with something inside the cockpit. And we don't have
Speaker 9: voice data re quarters in our military aircraft, which I've
Speaker 9: been pushing for for some time. We need to get
Speaker 9: them in there. That alone could have told us what
Speaker 9: happened in this particular incident.
Speaker 7: A couple of Now, what is your reaction, John Scott,
Speaker 7: The fact that the jet, the airplane had the right
Speaker 7: of way under FA rules, and especially since it was
Speaker 7: on an approach for a landing.
Speaker 8: It absolutely did. And there is a frozen zone if
Speaker 8: you will, above an airport anywhere anywhere below or I'm
Speaker 8: sorry above the three degree glide slope angle that incoming
Speaker 8: aircraft have, and they have the right of way. The
Speaker 8: chopper was on what's called Route four along the east
Speaker 8: bank of the Potomac River there supposed to be limited
Speaker 8: if they are flying north of the Woodrow Wilson Bridge
Speaker 8: supposed to be limited to a maximum of two hundred
Speaker 8: feet basically above the river. The impact took place at
Speaker 8: about three hundred and fifty feet, so the chopper was
Speaker 8: definitely higher than it should have been. Now, it was
Speaker 8: a gusty night. It was clear, but it was gusty,
Speaker 8: and it can be difficult to hold altitude in very
Speaker 8: gusty conditions. That's one of the factors that's going to
Speaker 8: be involved here. But Colone Dunn, I wanted to ask you,
Speaker 8: did your military helicopters have the tea caass system. I
Speaker 8: was speaking to a friend who used to fly top
Speaker 8: gun for the Navy and then became a commercial pilot
Speaker 8: for years. Is excellent pilot, but he said he is
Speaker 8: of the opinioner of the belief that the military craft
Speaker 8: do not have teacasts and therefore would not have been
Speaker 8: able to talk to the American jet.
Speaker 9: Well, my Cobra did not have tea casts. I know
Speaker 9: some of the trainer aircraft in the Navy and the
Speaker 9: Marine Corps do have tea casts, and like I say,
Speaker 9: the teacast in this scenario for the helicopter would not
Speaker 9: have done much good. In my mind, it would have
Speaker 9: done a lot for the airliner. But the helicopter's low
Speaker 9: to the ground, and if you're in a you know,
Speaker 9: if you're in an airport setting, there's multiple airplanes flying,
Speaker 9: taking off, flying around, and especially in the DC area,
Speaker 9: it's just gonna become overwhelming. So I don't know if
Speaker 9: this particular black Hawk had it. I do know that
Speaker 9: some of my peers that have flown aircraft with teacasts
Speaker 9: will turn it all the way down or shut it off.
Speaker 9: In some aircraft, I'm assuming you can shut off. I
Speaker 9: don't know, But if they shut it off, obviously it
Speaker 9: does no good. But because that noise is saturating the cockpit,
Speaker 9: which is what deep the causes of a mishap is
Speaker 9: cockpit saturation.
Speaker 4: Right Cornold.
Speaker 7: Let me ask you Pete Heegsa's comments that the military
Speaker 7: does dangerous things, it does routine things on a regular basis. Tragically,
Speaker 7: last night a mistake was made. I think the President
Speaker 7: is right, there are some sort of elevation issue that
Speaker 7: we have immediately begun investigating into DoD How do you
Speaker 7: interpret that.
Speaker 9: There's no doubt in my mind that this was an
Speaker 9: avoidable mishap. As as John mentioned, most mishapps when you
Speaker 9: when you peel back the onion, they are avoidable. The altitude,
Speaker 9: you know, any quality pilot should be able to hold
Speaker 9: altitude even in the worst conditions. And Pete Heigsseth, Secretary Heisath,
Speaker 9: said that this was an experienced crew doing an annual training.
Speaker 9: So I know plenty of pilots that have flown in
Speaker 9: terrible conditions and they can hold their altitude. So other
Speaker 9: than a situational awareness blip inside the cockpit, it causing
Speaker 9: the climb. You know, I don't see that they couldn't
Speaker 9: hold because of gust or wind unless there was an
Speaker 9: emergency in the cockpit, which the investigation will hopefully determine
Speaker 9: and hopefully they'll figure out what exactly went wrong.
Speaker 7: When you look at the video, John Scott, and this
Speaker 7: is very common. By the way, the helicopter was sort
Speaker 7: of perpendicular and maybe requested. For example, I would not
Speaker 7: be uncommon for a bird or chopper to cross a
Speaker 7: runway with permission of the air traffic control and that
Speaker 7: they'd be cleared for that, and thinking it was an
Speaker 7: inactive runway or the helicopter pilot got his position wrong.
Speaker 7: I don't you know, we don't know the answer to
Speaker 7: any of these questions at this point. But the last
Speaker 7: reported position the airplane was just outside the runway. It's
Speaker 7: possible or is it possible the helicopter was cleared and
Speaker 7: on the adjacent a runway and somehow things got mixed up.
Speaker 7: I mean, at that point do we have to begin
Speaker 7: to look at air traffic control and see if they
Speaker 7: played a part in this.
Speaker 8: I think there will be blame to go around, eventually,
Speaker 8: assessed Sean. We talked about the fact that the air
Speaker 8: traffic control called out to the helicopter and did not
Speaker 8: get a response. Well, I have since learned that the
Speaker 8: systems or the monitoring systems that we rely on in
Speaker 8: the news business too, you know, to give us those
Speaker 8: air traffic recordings, they are not allowed to monitor the
Speaker 8: military frequencies, the UHF frequency. When when the tower calls,
Speaker 8: when they key their mic, they are broadcasting both on
Speaker 8: military UHF frequencies as well as civilian VHF frequencies. So
Speaker 8: the fact that the tower called and did not and
Speaker 8: we did not hear a response from the chopper is
Speaker 8: completely understandable because it's not allowed to record those UHF responses.
Speaker 8: Now I have heard the response on a UHF frequency,
Speaker 8: and the chopper pilot was saying, yes, I see the CRJ,
Speaker 8: and I will I believe he says it's a bit garbled,
Speaker 8: but he says, I'll maintain visual meaning I'll maintain visual
Speaker 8: contact and stay out of his way.
Speaker 6: Wasn't there also an instruction to fly behind the jet?
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, and as soon almost as soon as that
Speaker 8: instruction took place, as soon as it was given, that's
Speaker 8: almost the moment the impact happened. So I think that
Speaker 8: he was looking at the wrong aircraft. The chopper crew
Speaker 8: was looking at the wrong aircraft, thought they were well
Speaker 8: clear of it and didn't see the aircraft that hit them.
Speaker 8: The other thing, Sean I would just say quickly is
Speaker 8: that air traffic control was not very precise. They normally
Speaker 8: should say, you know PAP twenty five, which was a
Speaker 8: call sign in the chopper, do you have the traffic
Speaker 8: at your twelve o'clock. They didn't say that. They said
Speaker 8: do you see the CRJ And the chopper pilot said yes,
Speaker 8: But again he was probably looking at the wrong jet.
Speaker 9: Give you the last word, Colonel, you know I agree
Speaker 9: with that assessment. I have been I took off on
Speaker 9: an alta Cottam airfield in Iraq one day, and I
Speaker 9: got clearance to take off at the same time air
Speaker 9: traffic control authorized the sea seventeen the land on the
Speaker 9: opposite runway, and the only way we didn't hit was
Speaker 9: just a little bit of luck and a little bit
Speaker 9: of grace of God. I think we're going to find
Speaker 9: out that in this instance, it's going to be a
Speaker 9: either mistaken aircraft, like hey, I see it, but I'm
Speaker 9: looking at it, and we use very specific terms in
Speaker 9: the cockpit. You know, I see the bird is not acceptable.
Speaker 9: See the aircraft on final is how you would have
Speaker 9: reported that. I've heard the President's discussion about potential DEI.
Speaker 9: I pray that had nothing to do with it. If
Speaker 9: it did, every American should be outraged if they had
Speaker 9: anything to do with this missive in any form work.
Speaker 7: It didn't say for sure, but he did point out
Speaker 7: we went back and looked at the DEI regulations implemented
Speaker 7: by Pete Boodha Judge and the Harris and Biden administration,
Speaker 7: and I got to tell you that it's it's it's
Speaker 7: kind of alarming. You know, I would not have ever
Speaker 7: imagined that they would have directives as they did. You
Speaker 7: know that mandate people would psychiatric problems and severe intellectual
Speaker 7: disabilities and mental and physical conditions.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 7: You know, b be given special consideration for hiring in
Speaker 7: such important jobs. And I'm all in favor of non
Speaker 7: discrimination against anybody, but this is a job that required
Speaker 7: the best person, and those considerations I don't think would
Speaker 7: factor in. But there's no indication, as I said, that
Speaker 7: this has been a factor here. We appreciate both of you. Colonel,
Speaker 7: Thank you, John Scott, always a pleasure, my friend.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 7: Anyway, the President was in the Oval office. We'll tell
Speaker 7: you about that when we get back a much more
Speaker 7: straight ahead.
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Speaker 11: Will you commit not to fire anyone in the health
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Speaker 4: I will.
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Speaker 4: Job based upon my opinion. How are you supportive of this?
Speaker 4: I've had nothing to do with you supportive of these ones?
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Speaker 4: I am supportive of vaccines.
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Speaker 10: Thank you very much for having me on, And of
Speaker 10: course our hearts go out to the families of the
Speaker 10: people that went, you know, perished in this plain accident.
Speaker 10: A very terrible situation, very close to home.
Speaker 4: But no thank you for.
Speaker 7: It's close to home. But my understanding is they flew
Speaker 7: out of Wichita, Is I correct?
Speaker 10: They sure did, and thankfully no one that we're directly
Speaker 10: connected with. But I'm sure as we learn more we'll
Speaker 10: find connections between people we know now.
Speaker 7: Wichita is full of great people and it's a tight
Speaker 7: knit community, as you know. And yes, our hearts go
Speaker 7: out to all these families. We've been talking about it,
Speaker 7: you know, we just talked about in the last half hour.
Speaker 7: It's just terrible and it's sad to see, and we've
Speaker 7: we've got to bring safety back to the sky. But
Speaker 7: I also want to make America healthy again, and I
Speaker 7: don't believe America is doing anywhere near the job that
Speaker 7: it's capable of doing.
Speaker 10: You know, watch these Senate hearings. I was struck with
Speaker 10: this idea that we agree on really a lot more
Speaker 10: across these political parties than we disagree on and understandable.
Speaker 10: They're very concerned about vaccines, and I'm a strong supporter
Speaker 10: of pediatric vaccines and whatnot. But that's just a small
Speaker 10: portion of this.
Speaker 7: Do some kids have negative reactions? You're the medical doctor,
Speaker 7: not me. Two vaccines? Is the mercury in vaccine? Is
Speaker 7: there any connection as some claim to autism?
Speaker 10: Or no?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 10: I mean one, They've removed the mercury from the vaccines,
Speaker 10: and the studies are overwhelmingly supportive of the fact that
Speaker 10: these don't cause that autism.
Speaker 7: And really, are we over vaccinating people? For example? You
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Speaker 7: a few vaccines. Now you've got my understanding is well
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Speaker 10: Well, I think it's a risk based analysis. Right, you
Speaker 10: take the plane and the FA has I think a
Speaker 10: record number of years without a civilian mortality, and then
Speaker 10: this so but that now we have an incident and
Speaker 10: now we want even more protection. So you know, what
Speaker 10: number of sick kids are we willing to accept a
Speaker 10: very small number, and we don't want infectious disease spreading
Speaker 10: through through our country. But again that goes to the
Speaker 10: larger example of how do we make our country healthy again?
Speaker 10: And both sides, like he said, this is not Republican
Speaker 10: or Democratic patients. There's just patients, just people, and a
Speaker 10: sick person has one dream, right, And I love that
Speaker 10: quote because even though we may disagree on some things,
Speaker 10: we can agree that the system needs to be fixed.
Speaker 10: And Republican and Democrat centers both brought up problems with
Speaker 10: Medicare and Medicaid and they have different ideas of a solution,
Speaker 10: but they both want it fixed. They both want healthcare
Speaker 10: to be easier, faster, cheaper better. So if we start
Speaker 10: looking at it like that, then I think we can
Speaker 10: unite around ideas like direct primary care, direct health insurance,
Speaker 10: that we deserve a ten x improvement in healthcare quality
Speaker 10: and affordability, accessibility, and if we can have a private
Speaker 10: space race, I think we can eliminate copase.
Speaker 6: All right, quick break, welcome back.
Speaker 7: More on the RFK hearings and alternatives to better health
Speaker 7: will continue more with doctor Josh Umber, the head of
Speaker 7: Atlas Direct. It is a healthcare cooperative now that has
Speaker 7: going gone nation wide is started in Wichita, Kansas. More
Speaker 7: on that on the other side. Can we continue now
Speaker 7: with doctor Josh Umber talking about RFK and his hearings
Speaker 7: and talking about alternatives to traditional medicine. Eight hundred nine
Speaker 7: foot one. Shawn is a number at List Directors, the
Speaker 7: company he is building out nationwide out of Wichita, Kansas.
Speaker 7: There's nothing really that the government is running particularly well.
Speaker 7: Their best argument would be the Defense Department, but there's
Speaker 7: a lot of ways for auden abuse there.
Speaker 6: But you know, government involvement.
Speaker 7: Medicare is headed for in solvency, as is social security.
Speaker 7: Our schools are a disaster. They can't keep law and
Speaker 7: order in towns and cities. I don't put a lot
Speaker 7: of faith, hope and trust in the government. However, I
Speaker 7: do want this audience to know that there are better
Speaker 7: options out there and Atlas MD, would you put together
Speaker 7: now call that list direct because you're now bringing it nationwide.
Speaker 7: Is a whole different way of looking at healthcare. Tell
Speaker 7: us what the difference is.
Speaker 10: Well, I think it's a smarter way of doing it.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 10: I'd like to say the government's not.
Speaker 9: Bad, they're just bad at it.
Speaker 10: They don't have a mechanism in place to necessarily drive
Speaker 10: things to better pricing, better efficiency the way the market does.
Speaker 10: And we just don't use the market in healthcare. And
Speaker 10: I appreciate the argument that healthcare is very important it
Speaker 10: should it be market based, to which I would say, yeah,
Speaker 10: so important, it has to be market based.
Speaker 7: So let's say if I signed up for your plan
Speaker 7: that you started in Wichita, which was locally where adults
Speaker 7: paid fifty dollars a month access to a doctor twenty
Speaker 7: four to seven, most of most medical procedures could be
Speaker 7: taken place ten dollars a month for kids, you got
Speaker 7: a ninety percent discount on any prescription medicines that you'd
Speaker 7: need because you negotiated personally directly with pharmaceutical companies, so
Speaker 7: people wouldn't have to go to that local pharmacy. And
Speaker 7: what's the difference between what you started in Wichita with
Speaker 7: what you're now bringing.
Speaker 4: Nationally, Well, that's the best part.
Speaker 10: It's nearly the same. Now we're helping thousands of doctors
Speaker 10: do their own version of our clinic, so prices might
Speaker 10: vary from clinic to clinic, but we've never changed our
Speaker 10: prices since we started in twenty ten. What insurance company
Speaker 10: can say that, right, But then we are able to
Speaker 10: negotiate better than the government, Like, how is that possible?
Speaker 10: If Walmart has a four dollar a month list, we
Speaker 10: have a four dollars a year list. That's just like
Speaker 10: you said, you want your listeners to know there is
Speaker 10: a better way. And if we can't fix the price
Speaker 10: of health insurance until we fix the price of health care.
Speaker 10: But once you do that, once you find a way
Speaker 10: to have fifty dollars a month unlimited visits, home visits,
Speaker 10: work visits, telemedicine visits, no code pays right, people hate copays,
Speaker 10: and so a good business model removed.
Speaker 7: What happens if you get the cancer that lasts for
Speaker 7: ten years, What happens if you get the bad accident
Speaker 7: that keeps in the hospital for a year. What happens
Speaker 7: if you know you have the heart attack or a
Speaker 7: stroke and you need long term care?
Speaker 10: Well you know what that's That's exactly what insurance is for.
Speaker 10: Is for the big, scary, unpredictable things. Now, most insurances
Speaker 10: won't cover you for a year, but even Medicare doesn't
Speaker 10: do that, right, And so you're when you're designing an
Speaker 10: insurance plan. It's tricky. You've got to say how much
Speaker 10: risk are you willing to take? But Amy Finkelstein MacArthur
Speaker 10: Genius Grant Award winning Eutonomous has a great book, We've
Speaker 10: Got You Covered, and in there from twenty twenty three numbers,
Speaker 10: she mentions less than one percent of the people account
Speaker 10: for thirty forty percent of health care spend. But even
Speaker 10: they only spend around one hundred thousand a year in healthcare.
Speaker 10: So the numbers who spend way more than that are
Speaker 10: miniscule relative to everything else. So we deninne a smart
Speaker 10: plan that covers everybody for the common stuff and then
Speaker 10: tries to add insurance supplement for hey.
Speaker 7: I just urge people to open their minds, health care cooperatives,
Speaker 7: health savings accounts, catastrophic care for big things. If God
Speaker 7: forbids something horrible happens and there are solutions and RFK
Speaker 7: Junior raising questions. He's pointing out what we all know,
Speaker 7: the system sucks and is broken and our healthcare and
Speaker 7: then do everything you can do in your own life
Speaker 7: to have better health. Doctor Josh, we appreciate you. You're
Speaker 7: thinking out of the box, and I wish the government
Speaker 7: would listen to you more. Eight hundred ninety four one
Speaker 7: Shawn is our number if you want to be a
Speaker 7: part of the program.