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Speaker 1: Us. Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: This is that show where we unpack our old episodes

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Speaker 2: from our twenty eighteen podcasting Memory Suitcase plus Case updates.

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Speaker 1: Today we're rewinding the episode one oh four, which we

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Speaker 1: named Garden Party, of course we did.

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Speaker 2: This episode originally came out on January eighteenth, twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 2: and it also marks the two year anniversary of the show,

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Speaker 2: which we realize halfway through the episode staved.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen to the intro of episode one oh four.

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Speaker 1: Center yourself, guest, Siria, are you centered? I feel like

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Speaker 1: I might be. Are you in the center?

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of I'm a little sideways, little wonky, I

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Speaker 2: might be a little wanky.

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Speaker 3: That's because this is my my favorite murder, the podcast

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Speaker 3: with the consistently worst opening in.

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Speaker 2: The history of podcasts. You know, we invite you in

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Speaker 2: slowly with awkwardness.

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Speaker 1: Right by making you want to turn it off, but

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Speaker 1: you stick around because you're.

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Speaker 2: Like, maybe this could get worse.

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Speaker 1: That's that's Karen Kilgarriff. That side is Karen Kilgarriff, and

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Speaker 1: that that fake size is Georgia Hartstalk. Hi, Hi, We're

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Speaker 1: here to talk to.

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Speaker 2: You about true crime and all the things that we

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Speaker 2: have now associated with true crime, which is everything, which

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Speaker 2: pretty much anything.

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Speaker 1: Anything, everything, all of it.

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Speaker 2: The thing I'm living now is just consistent pictures of

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Speaker 2: old razor blade holes in people's bathroom cabinet.

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Speaker 1: Is all about shit hidden in walls. Yes, and especially

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Speaker 1: if you have an old timey medicine cabinet, Go check yours.

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Speaker 1: I bet there's so many people listening, like, what are

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Speaker 1: you talking about? Yeah, go downstairs. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you're upstairs. I don't know why your bathroom's downstairs.

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Speaker 2: Wait, first of all, why are you upstairs? Go downstairs.

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Speaker 2: Someone's in their car right now. They don't know.

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Speaker 1: So go upstairs. Go upstairs.

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Speaker 2: It's a double decker bus, you know, a double decker

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Speaker 2: bus driver, How you do it? Go upstairs?

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Speaker 1: Go upstairs to your mansion, Go into the bathroom. Why

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Speaker 1: don't you have bathroom upstairs?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so weird. Everyone does, and why don't you

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Speaker 2: do you?

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Speaker 1: And then open your cabinet, And is there a thing

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Speaker 1: that says razors can go in here or whatever? The

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Speaker 1: fucking old timey font?

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Speaker 2: Yes, is there a little old fashioned hole that seems

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Speaker 2: haunted and could have bloody remnants of somebody in it.

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Speaker 1: So much DNA, so much vintage DNA. Ooh, that'd be fun.

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Speaker 2: And just maybe you stared it for a couple hours.

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Speaker 2: Then you start to pull up it.

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Speaker 1: And you write a book of short stories about every

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Speaker 1: person who's put a razor into that fucking hole.

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Speaker 2: First it's an old guy, then it's a young guy,

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Speaker 2: and it's a lady shaving her legs.

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Speaker 1: Yes, do you get a woman? This is why is

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Speaker 1: the patriarchy taking over your short book of short stories?

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Speaker 2: Never forget, women shave way more than men.

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Speaker 1: So much more.

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Speaker 2: We're just all of our bodies, face and legs, all

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Speaker 2: of it.

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Speaker 1: Listen, when you get to be thirty something, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: shave your face too, don't You're.

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Speaker 2: One of my favorite tweets is our friend Morgan Murphy,

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Speaker 2: hilarious comedian Morgan Murphy. She is my favorite tweet of

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Speaker 2: all time, which is your girlfriend shaves her toes.

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Speaker 1: It's just like shit, just a little drop of hardcore solution.

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Speaker 1: That's good. Sorry, it's the truth. Like an Italian yep.

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Speaker 1: Just get it done real quick.

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Speaker 2: You don't need two hundred and forty characters to get

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Speaker 2: the good stuff going.

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Speaker 1: M amen. You know I had to take the like

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Speaker 1: close up mirror down from my wall in the bathroom,

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Speaker 1: the like look at this mirror, yeah, real cloth and

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Speaker 1: all the hairs and stuff. Because I kind of take

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Speaker 1: it down.

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Speaker 2: I say that special occasion hotel rooms only good call.

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Speaker 1: Then you're like, what is wrong with me? I know

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Speaker 1: when you look at your face, you're like why then

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Speaker 1: I even told me.

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Speaker 2: But when I was growing up, we got those for

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Speaker 2: Christmas one year, my sister and I when I was

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Speaker 2: like fourteen years.

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Speaker 1: Old life because your mom was like, girls.

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Speaker 2: It was someone else that gave them to it us,

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Speaker 2: holy shit, And we I used to sit at my

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Speaker 2: desk in my room with the lights out and that

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Speaker 2: be like day, evening night or whatever. Evening and night

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Speaker 2: like yea one was green, one was bright. One was

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Speaker 2: like really pink.

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Speaker 1: What you're after? Like, what if you're at like a

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Speaker 1: like a late afternoon to night party, like that evening

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Speaker 1: is gonna come and you're gonna need to look your best.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to adjust your eyebrow plucking to the light.

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Speaker 1: Or or men will never love you and you'll never

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Speaker 1: find a husband, never.

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Speaker 2: Find a man. You will not land a man at

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Speaker 2: this garden party unless you.

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Speaker 1: Pluck your shin. Jessicama clintalk dress can only get you

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Speaker 1: so far. And that fucking updo that permed updoo.

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Speaker 2: You better get your list of topics to talk about

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Speaker 2: in small talk conversations, and you better shave your upper

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Speaker 2: lift or thread it or do something something. Don't forget

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Speaker 2: about those nose hairs, because that's a girl. There's here's

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Speaker 2: the worst one. Oh no, just everyone's will I'll just

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Speaker 2: catch a random black neck hair.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I got the chin, I got the chin covered,

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Speaker 1: I got the neck. You take the neck, I'll take

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Speaker 2: Neck might be like the next stage up. So I'm

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Speaker 2: like a whole generation older than you.

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Speaker 1: Question is it going up or down? I feel like

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Speaker 1: it might be going down.

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Speaker 2: No, No, it's horrible.

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Speaker 1: You're in for a treat. I'm in for the night.

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Speaker 2: That's why I do not leave my house. I can't

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Speaker 2: trust my neck. I don't know what's coming out of

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Speaker 1: Anyway, what we're talking about, Oh yeah, you got the mirror.

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Speaker 2: Just I would stare into would and pluck my brows

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Speaker 2: and look at my purse for so long that my

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Speaker 2: dad would just keep walking by my bedroom door, going, oh,

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Speaker 2: you would make a noise like it was a bug light,

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Speaker 2: and I was like a praying Manti's cot on a

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Speaker 2: bug let. He's like, a look at the bug light.

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Speaker 1: But you're not my dad. Yeah, they never helped. No,

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Speaker 1: why would they. They want you to suffer, so you

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Speaker 1: don't get an ego. Well, it will fucking work and

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Speaker 1: like reach great heights or whatever. You know why, because

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Speaker 1: then you're gonna fall further. You're welcome, fourteen year old Karen.

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Speaker 2: See, it doesn't hurt as bad when you don't climb

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Speaker 2: as high.

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Speaker 1: When you stumble upwards, it's better than when you climb upwards.

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Speaker 1: That's right, right, or or sore upwards right? That takes

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Speaker 1: so much. Ever, that's for the rich. That's really like

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Speaker 1: people who don't have friends, like time for friends, yeah,

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Speaker 1: time for pets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's for people who are like, oh, I'm a

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Speaker 2: concert clarinetist, Well congratulations, go do that, then by yourself

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Speaker 2: have a dog arc hat.

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Speaker 1: I just I'm never home, I'm working all hours, and

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Speaker 1: it's like, well, then you're living your life wrong. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you need a pet.

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Speaker 2: Bring it with you, Bring it to the symphony with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's teach it to fucking play a horn instrument.

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Speaker 2: Wait, speaking of which, can I tell you sidebar that

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Speaker 2: I took my dogs to the dog beach?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is like, I'm so jealous. If we didn't

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Speaker 1: take my cats to the dog.

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Speaker 2: Beach, shouldn't it shouldn't they would not have a good time.

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Speaker 2: But although it is one big cat box, really.

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Speaker 1: That they'd be like, whoa, I don't think that would

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Speaker 1: happen everywhere we go with and shit.

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Speaker 2: But because it had rained so crazy down here, there

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Speaker 1: Frank was like in heaven.

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Speaker 2: It was like a mini beach garbage dump. What was

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Speaker 1: Huge fish by just a big dead fish.

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Speaker 2: That's so cool. Then there was lots of what looked

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Speaker 2: You go do that in the in the riptide.

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Speaker 1: One word pathogens just everywhere.

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Speaker 2: One small cut on your foot.

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Speaker 1: One tiny cut. Do you watch house? Go watch house.

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Speaker 1: They'll never trace that disease. I know, all those beautiful

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Speaker 2: And I took my feet, I took my shoes off,

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Speaker 2: and then I was like, oh, Karen. I didn't think

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I'm there's no way I'm not

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Speaker 2: gonna have some crazy mystery rash.

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Speaker 1: This this podcast is going to change to my favorite

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Speaker 1: staff infection. Like tonight, get your fucking feet off my couch.

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Speaker 1: Everything's covered.

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Speaker 2: I keep everything in surgical booties until I'm clear two

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Speaker 2: weeks clear too.

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Speaker 1: This is what happens when you leave the house.

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Speaker 2: Well, what would your favorite staff infection?

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Speaker 1: Because there's a lot, there's so many good I really

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Speaker 1: do love foreign bodies, foreign bodies.

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Speaker 2: I like a good jump on a rusty nail. I

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Speaker 2: did that once in sixth grades.

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Speaker 1: I don't like that.

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Speaker 2: It was intense, but I think I did it because

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Speaker 2: I was at a slumber party that I didn't want

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 2: It was very intensely Christian. I was like, I've got

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Speaker 2: I was like jumping in a field and I landed

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Speaker 2: on a rocky nil. I was like, well, like, I

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Speaker 2: got go my mom.

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Speaker 1: Unless we can break into your parents slicker cabin and

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Speaker 1: just pour some alcohol on this or wherever.

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Speaker 2: I think I need to be driven away from here,

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Speaker 2: whatever the medical procedure is, it's it's not going to

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Speaker 2: take place.

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Speaker 1: It's not it's not praying over my foot.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not going to be with your weird Christian records.

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Speaker 2: Got to go, Love the Lord, see you at school.

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Speaker 1: But I can't handle this. A show on Netflix. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it might be watching that everyone loves called The End

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Speaker 1: of the fucking World. No, did you heard it? No?

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Speaker 1: Oh it's so good? What is it? Okay? It's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: it's like if you took Harold and Mad yes, anti

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Speaker 2: Anti like angry at Wes Anderson, like.

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Speaker 1: Anti like cute and like kitchen in that way, but.

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Speaker 2: That's everyone, so goddamn funny.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't seen seven Murderinos, young Murderinos, go watch seven.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Go go upstairs, Go back upstairs to you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, tell them about cows. Inform them who goes first

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Speaker 1: this week?

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Speaker 2: I think it's you, right?

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Speaker 1: Did I go what? Did we had a live episode.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I try to intimidate you, but you

444
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:35,040
Speaker 2: really control the mood right now, just kidding. Fuck No.

445
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 1: The thing, too, is what if what if this is

446
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:39,879
Speaker 1: your murder? What if my murder is your murder? And

447
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 1: I go get it first? Then you don't have to go.

448
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 2: I can't wait. Then I just sit back and go like, yes, girl,

449
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:45,480
Speaker 2: tell it.

450
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you forgot this part. Let me tell you

451
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 1: this thing. Okay, fucking bang, Okay, we are back.

452
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 2: God do you remember when the like well things and

453
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 2: walls kicked off, the razor slots kicked off.

454
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,440
Speaker 1: That's what it was no one knew what that slot

455
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,679
Speaker 1: was in old timey medicine cabinets, right, which I didn't,

456
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 1: and it didn't we had I had that actual fucking

457
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 1: thing in my grandma's house.

458
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was so fascinating to learn and we

459
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 2: all kind of discovered it together and then then then

460
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 2: it basically we built from there of like, that's fascinating,

461
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 2: what else?

462
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 1: And people started sending us the photos of the razors

463
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 1: and their little things, and that was very exciting.

464
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 2: I was just telling Georgia off Mike that this we

465
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 2: are now getting into episodes where I can remember kind

466
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 2: of like very clearly. Those early days were very blurry, absolutely,

467
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,639
Speaker 2: but then we kind of get into when we start

468
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 2: going like, oh, someone's giving us an idea, and then

469
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 2: we're building an idea, right and really getting from.

470
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 1: Spot like responses because it's and then so it had

471
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 1: been two years, so people had like been around at

472
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 1: that point, and it wasn't just like knew anymore.

473
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 2: No, it was like that we were really getting the

474
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 2: call and response part of the podcast, which is like

475
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 2: the best part of the podcast. Yeah, and of course

476
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 2: becomes the worst part.

477
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 1: Of the fresh certain that's the worst all of the things.

478
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 2: The whole kaboodle, I would love to address that. I

479
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 2: to this day feel shame about how I got about everything,

480
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 2: about how wrong I got my cow information. When I

481
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 2: claimed to be from the country and I claim to

482
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 2: be agriculturally based individual, you're not well, like, I'm kind

483
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 2: of a fraud because I am not like a dairy rancher.

484
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm not I but you're from like a farm marriage.

485
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 2: I grew up around them, But like, I love to

486
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 2: you know me, and I love to be like, oh yeah,

487
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 2: it's me the expert. And then they're like, it's not

488
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,640
Speaker 2: a it's not a Jersey cow, it's a Girn cow

489
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 2: or whatever, and you're like.

490
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Speaker 1: Uh, all right, So eight years later and you're still.

491
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 2: Eating shit about it. It was a good way. This

492
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 2: is one of the many things this podcast taught me,

493
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 2: which is what the Internet taught me as a gen xer,

494
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 2: where it's like you can't just free kind of fibr

495
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 2: anymore because people can immediately be like no, it's.

496
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: Not right, that's wrong, fact checked immediately, or you're you're

497
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 1: talking to so many more people than you were before

498
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: this that there's going to be someone who knows what

499
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 1: they're talking like what you're bullshitting about, and they're gonna

500
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: call you on it.

501
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be like, uh no, I'm a cow doctor

502
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 4: and actually and I'm mad, actually do better with cow doctoring.

503
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 1: Come with me to the cow doctor.

504
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 2: Fucking love that guy, all right.

505
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: End of the fucking world. That was such a great show.

506
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah you called that one early good one.

507
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

508
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 2: We had a whole our Montessori thing, which is like

509
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 2: the fun thing that uh Alison found the update that

510
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: Montessori is actually getting bigger.

511
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 1: Really it's not going away. Huh So okay, she says,

512
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 1: Montsory Education has continued to grow in popularity with her

513
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: prophecily five thousand Montessori schools now operating across the US. Yeah,

514
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 1: and we had both gone to one right, Yeah, that's

515
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,360
Speaker 1: like that's weird. An we had lower back tattoos. Yeah,

516
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: and we have a podcast. I mean, the same.

517
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 4: Podcasts meant to be clearly crazy. All right, So I

518
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 4: guess I go first in this one?

519
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: You do go? Would you rather go first or second? Like,

520
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: as a rule second?

521
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 2: Really, I think, primarily because it's the weird thing of

522
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 2: in comedy, going last is the position to be in.

523
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to get out.

524
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 2: Of that where first you do have to kind of

525
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: set up the whole thing, you're you.

526
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: Set the tone. Yeah, I think I like going first

527
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: because when I have to wait, I'm just like nervous

528
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: the whole time about going and I'm thinking the whole

529
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: time about my delivery and how it's going to go,

530
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 1: and so I can't concentrate. Like when I go first

531
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: and I'm done, then I can fucking just completely chill

532
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 1: out and listen to yours.

533
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's another reason why it's a good combination.

534
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I do like the way that we've turned

535
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: it into like good like bad story, you know, heartwarming.

536
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: Story, because that's actually those are one of our many

537
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: producing decisions of like we have to consider the rollout

538
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: for the listener, not.

539
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: Just for what we like to be doing.

540
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, always learning, right, the producing on this show is

541
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 2: just invisible.

542
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: It's amazing.

543
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 2: So on this one, Georgia goes first, and so you

544
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: know she's happy because this just told you.

545
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: Fucking good one.

546
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 2: Oh, this is an incredible survivor story. Let's get into it.

547
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: It's Georgia's story about the survival of Susan Kuhnhausen.

548
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: Okay, and now we can start, all right. So I

549
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: found this story and decided to do it, and then

550
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: really found out that it is also an I Survived.

551
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: She's in an ICE arrived episode. Yes, so this is

552
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: special for you.

553
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 2: Thank you.

554
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: So I watched the I Survived episode.

555
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Speaker 2: It was great.

556
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: But also I got a lot, like most of my

557
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Speaker 1: information from an article in the Willamette Week by Beth

558
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 1: Slavic from twenty sixteen. So cool, Thank you, Beth, good job. Yeah,

559
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 1: we're proud of you. Okay, So this is the story

560
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: of Susan Kuhnhausen. Okay, any bells yet? No, I feel

561
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: like I'm like reading to the master. Can I just

562
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: do a quick brag? Yeah?

563
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 2: My sister said last Weekend, I think it was. She

564
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 2: was like, there's an I Survived on that's amazing right now,

565
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 2: you need to watch it. A woman who escaped a

566
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 2: serial killer. And I wrote back, does she have red

567
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: hair in a green sweater? I've seen it already? And

568
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 2: my sister goes, that was creepy, because I know, yeah,

569
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: I honestly have seen them all.

570
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: Five times I've seen them maybe two. Okay, you're at

571
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: the Queen of this, so I felt a little, but

572
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: I think that this is you.

573
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 2: Know, do you mind if I will listen to you

574
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 2: and guests the whole time? Yeah, I'll bring in when

575
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 2: I think I know that's what this podcast is.

576
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, girl, this podcast doesn't be quiet while I tell

577
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: you about the story. Please be quiet. Interrupt the shit

578
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: out of me with incorrect guesses.

579
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 2: This is the one time I've been interrupting you for

580
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: two years straight, but this is the one time we

581
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: were like, could you please be quiet?

582
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: This isn't I survived. It's actually really and wait, literally

583
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: two years straight today.

584
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 2: That's right, it's our two year fucking anniversary.

585
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: God of existing, of existing, of having real fucking personalities, Yeah, lives.

586
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 2: Having an interest that we shared. I thought this could

587
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 2: possibly be interesting.

588
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: First day of the rest of our lives. Insanely two years.

589
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: High five Georgia Hardstar, Thank you too, Karen CT. This

590
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: podcast would be going to Montssori. No, it wouldn't. That's

591
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 1: too young, right.

592
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: It's too young.

593
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: But unless day care working, daycare working moms. Yeah, listen,

594
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: we get Steve Stephen. Will you be this podcast nanny?

595
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: Stephen's the podcast nanny. I would think so Steven. Thank you.

596
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll take care of you. You would be a manny, right,

597
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: oh right, right, right, right, Stephen. You came in what

598
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: a year and a half? I mean like six months.

599
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: In my my I guess two.

600
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: Year old knows.

601
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: There's a heart in his calendar.

602
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's like.

603
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: A little like in my locker.

604
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, my two universary is in May.

605
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, well, well we're going to say right now

606
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: that we'll get you something for your two anniversary, and

607
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: then we won't, so.

608
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: Then we'll make up for it and it'll be even better.

609
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: Yes, that's that's exactly all I can hope for. You've

610
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: ever wanted we do?

611
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, exactly, you know how we do it?

612
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, Susan Kuhhausen, Okay, here we go.

613
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Speaker 1: On the evening of Wednesday, September sixth, two thousand and six,

614
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Speaker 1: fifty one year old emergency room nurse of nearly thirty years,

615
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: Susan Kuhnhausen ended her shift at Providence Portland Medical Center

616
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: and headed to her appointment at Perfect Look Hair Salon

617
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Speaker 1: in East Burnside Street on East Burnside Street, Portland. I

618
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: guess you know what that is? You already know d'ian.

619
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I don't I know that area though.

620
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: The burnside just okay, so perfect.

621
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Speaker 1: Look it's our new hair salon. It's so good, it's

622
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: so good. Susan had moved to Oregon in the early eighties.

623
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: She settled in Portland, and she was well liked by

624
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: everyone and who knew her. Of course, everyone says she's outgoing, vivacious,

625
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: she's this amazing nurse. She's loved by everyone. In nineteen

626
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: eighty eight, when she was in her early thirties, Susan,

627
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: along with a friend and her mom's help, placed a

628
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: singles ad in the Willamette Week, which is what this

629
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: fucking I just realized is what this article is from.

630
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I didn't about it together. That's awesome, that's amazing.

631
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: That's a very popular circular. Is that in Portland?

632
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: I think it still exists. Yeah, looking for and so

633
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: she placed a singles ad, which is how I used

634
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: to find love. It's like before, could you imagine?

635
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: No, it's just like, oh, it's all like letters and

636
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: numbers and like I'm a Taurus s f.

637
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: S looking for D. I think my mom put one

638
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: of those in in like Irvine Weekly or whatever in

639
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: the eighties. Did she get me? Did she catch any

640
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: good fish? I'm sure she didn't Jesus, because she dated

641
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: were horrendous. Were they sick? Nay? You know, they were

642
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: just like like single dads in the eighties were creeps,

643
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

644
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: A lot of transition lenses, a lot of mustards.

645
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right. This isn't about me, okay, or Janet,

646
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: Sorry about Janet. It's always about Janet, okay. So she

647
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,719
Speaker 1: wrote looking for a quote someone different, and then about herself,

648
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: she wrote, overweight but not over life, which I love

649
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: so much.

650
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: There's your there's like a that's a necklace instead of

651
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: like live laugh love, overweight but.

652
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: Not over life, not over life. And then you kick

653
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: a stranger in.

654
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: The dicksie by your necklace. Can you know?

655
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: The website Reductress. But I'm just like their fucking headlines

656
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,239
Speaker 1: make me laugh so harder, and their articles it's like

657
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: it's like the Onion for women. Yes, they have like

658
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: a merch now and one of their they have a

659
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: shirt that has an arrow and it's up to the

660
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: arrow goes to your face and it says, my vagina's

661
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: up here.

662
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: They had one after the Golden Globes that said zero

663
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: quotes from men about.

664
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: The me too movement so funny, it's so good. Okay,

665
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: someone different, overweight but not over life, seeks sm who

666
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: wants more out of a relationship than just quote slender

667
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: fucking girl. Yes, wow, godness is.

668
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: In the late eighties when none of these attitudes are allowed.

669
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: No, you go to fucking jazzer size and were you

670
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: diet and reduce or you're nothing and no one.

671
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: It's blaming our bust everybody. It was a hard time.

672
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: But then meanwhile we were being tricked into ingesting fake

673
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: diet food that was actually filled with sugar, so like

674
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: we all thought New York Seltzer was diet. Yeah, and

675
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: we're like, this is so delicious, and you drink like

676
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: seven of them and it's just like drinking good right.

677
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: And then you scream at your kids. Yeah, okay, okay.

678
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: Thirty nine old Mike koon Hansen responded and about him,

679
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: Susan said, quote, he had a nice voice. I was

680
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: impressed he wanted to talk about deeper things, which I

681
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: wrote red flag. You know, no he doesn't. He goes

682
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: straight to poetry. Get out of their deeper things, deeper

683
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: than what than what?

684
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: Okay.

685
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: Their first day was in February nineteen eighty eight. Mike

686
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: Mike was adopted as a newborn in nineteen forty eight,

687
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: grew up in Portland. He told Susan he saw combat

688
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: in Vietnam, but military records list him as a switchboard operator.

689
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,719
Speaker 1: Within the year, they drove to Reno to get married.

690
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: So she marries the student Mike Kuhnhamhausen. Okay, it quickly soured,

691
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: she said, quote it wasn't long after. Wait a second,

692
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: Wait a second, don't give it away for the listeners

693
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: at home. I won't. I think I might just say

694
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: give me a give me like a keyword. She finds

695
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: him in the house. No, okay, but close, I think

696
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: you do know you're just not there yet. Okay, we

697
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: gotta get you for a little further. And then you're

698
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: like yes, okay, No, No, it wasn't very long after

699
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: we got married that there was no more hiking, no

700
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: more going out. Yeah, because people say they're into shit,

701
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: that they're not into shit, and then in a year

702
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: they're sick of you, which is why you need to

703
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: start a relationship, saying I like to sit at home

704
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: and binge, watch shit with my cats and fucking gets

705
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: take out.

706
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's past like topical weekend interest. Yeah, that's the

707
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: reality of the relationship.

708
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: Nobody likes to hike.

709
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: No, it's total dating bullshit. It's stupid, it's really dumb.

710
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: It's for single, desperate, thirsty people literally literally.

711
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: Okay. Though married. Within a few years of the wedding,

712
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: Mike got a new job as a janitorial supervisor for

713
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: Oregon Entertainment, the parent company of Fantasy Adult Video. So

714
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: basically he started working for an adult video company as

715
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: the genitor, which has to be like a bomber job,

716
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: like about you don't come home from that fucking kicking

717
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: your heels and fucking your wife.

718
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: Even if it's all paper products. I'm like guys and ties,

719
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: there is still a level of light scum. I would

720
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 2: say on everything that he that was his job just

721
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: to mop.

722
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: Off totally literally and figuratively. Yeah, okay, So he starts

723
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: slowly revealing to her in the early years that he'd

724
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: never really been happy his life. Philosophy, she says, was

725
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 1: life's a shit sandwich and every day you take another

726
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: bite until you die. Fucking Thanks Garfield. Jesus Christ. This

727
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: is why everyone needs to go to therapy and get pharmaceuticals. Yes,

728
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: well not everyone, but this guy clearly.

729
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: I mean it's just so sorry. That's all of life

730
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: to you. Yeah, like you're not gonna you have that

731
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: attitude and you're not gonna do anything you change it.

732
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: Like take a chill pill, and by chill pill, I

733
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: mean a fucking zola.

734
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: On it, slip the up, anything, something, help yourself.

735
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: Okay, Mike chain smoked. He also pounded diet cokes, which

736
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: is like, is that why are you being a dick

737
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: about it? He was very controlling. He would found Susan

738
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: about her plans when she went out, and he kept

739
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: track of her spending and complained about all her purchases,

740
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: which is like, shut up, I need to go to

741
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: perfect look every two weeks or you're gonna.

742
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: Tell me I look like shit. Yes exactly. Also, she

743
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: is an emergency room nurse. Yeah, she's pulling down that

744
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, union wage. She's doing very well.

745
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, your fantasy adult fucking video store is not the

746
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 1: same wage.

747
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: Probably not so. Yeah, the spending discussion, anyway.

748
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: Let's talk about marriage. Okay. Seventeen years into their marriage,

749
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: Susan is like, fuck this shit. She said, I cared

750
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: about him, but I didn't want to live with him anymore.

751
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to be happy again. So in September two

752
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: thousand and five, she kicks On the fuck out of

753
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: the house and he moves into his father's home. But

754
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: Susan never changes the locks or the alarm code, which

755
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: was their anniversary. Well, why would she?

756
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: It's her husband, Right, She thinks she knows and has

757
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 2: a relationship with.

758
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: Right, so she wasn't surprised. After her hair appointment, she

759
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: gets home, she's still in her scrubs. It's six thirty

760
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: seven pm. She lives in Montevilla neighborhood, comes home, finds

761
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: a note by the microwave from Mike because they're still

762
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: talking and stuff, saying, Sue, I haven't been sleeping, had

763
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: to get away, went to the beach. He said he'd

764
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: see here on Friday or Saturday. Love me, he says.

765
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: So Susan disarms the alarm, goes through the house to

766
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: the front, grabs her mail, and she comes back inside

767
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: and looks through the house to her bedroom and sees

768
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: that it's really fucking dark in her bedroom normally and

769
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, I thought I've opened the drapes that morning.

770
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: That's like something is off. She knew it immediately in

771
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: the fucking and insect part of her brain.

772
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: Well, there's what is scarier than that, when you're standing

773
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: in your house and there's something off, there's something that

774
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: you didn't do. That is like I always have a lamp.

775
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: There's a one lamp I'd never turn on. Oh and

776
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: if that were off. If I came home and that

777
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: were off, I would be like, well, I would think

778
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: I got my electricity turned off, which happens constantly.

779
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: But my thing is like if my cats aren't if

780
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: one of the cats aren't greeting me, there's something wrong

781
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: in the house. Yes, you know, like, yeah, they're scared.

782
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: There's there's a.

783
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: Reason if my dogs aren't there barking at the window

784
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 2: like I'm the mailman, I think they're both dead. Like

785
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: I feature, oh, they they ate chemicals, they ate whatever.

786
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: Like I get through a whole thing of trying to

787
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 2: go into acceptance about losing boat dogs at the same time,

788
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: and then Georgia like walk up, like what what.

789
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: I was sleeping the other day? Vincent came home and

790
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: the whole house smelled like cigarettes, like someone had just

791
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: smoked a cigarette or was smoking a cigarette in the house.

792
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: It was really fucking creepy. And you like went room

793
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: to room and looked everywhere and what was Did you

794
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: have a window open? No, I don't know what it was.

795
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: It was probably someone in the hallway or something. Wait.

796
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: I think we've talked about this already, but did I

797
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: ever tell you about my friends who live in New

798
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: York and they they are the producers of Eugene Mermon's

799
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: comedy festival HU, And they put a camera in their

800
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: house because they in their apartment they kept noticing little

801
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 2: things move and so finally they put this camera in

802
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: their house that would switch on if there.

803
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 1: Was a movement.

804
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so the guy was at work, it switches on.

805
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: Their landlord just is going into their house walking around,

806
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: and she's it's one.

807
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: Of the creepiest ideas. They showed it to me.

808
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 2: And she's just really slowly walking around and looking at everything.

809
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

810
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 2: And she like at one point walks upstairs, which is

811
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: just their bedroom, and is up there for like three

812
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: minutes and then comes back down. I never told you

813
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: about that now, And then she just leaves, But it

814
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 2: was like one of the creepiest, weirdest things I've ever seen.

815
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: How come she was moving shit.

816
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: It's like she would she would look over, like for

817
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: a while, she'd look at pictures, or she'd like lean over.

818
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 2: She was just snooping around. So I'm sure one time

819
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: she like pick up a magazine at it and put

820
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: it down, thinking they'll never notice. Oh my god, isn't

821
00:38:58,760 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 2: that amazing?

822
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: You know that's happened in your life? Oh my god, right,

823
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: like someone's gone through your shit. When I was a kid,

824
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: when I was like a there was a certain young

825
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: part period in my life. I was like twelve where

826
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: all I fucking did was snoop through my fucking family's shit. Yes,

827
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 1: just snoop. It was so much fun.

828
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: I would always go through my mom's nightstand drawer because

829
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: there was always weird, super random shit in there, but

830
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 2: there was never anything good.

831
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 1: But it would be like, if I dig back here

832
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: far enough, there was something weird where I'm.

833
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 2: Like, is this sexual? I'm not sure, and it never was.

834
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: It was like never what I wanted it. One time

835
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: I thought I found a porn under my parents' bed

836
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: and I pulled it out and I was just an

837
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 2: exercise like these videotape Yeah, I was gonna say a VCR.

838
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,479
Speaker 1: My friend and I went through we it was during

839
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: this time, and I had a friend who was like, yeah,

840
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: let's go through my mom shit too, And we both

841
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: had single moms and we found like it must have

842
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: been given to her as a gag gift. Because now

843
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: that I'm older, I'm like, no one would use those

844
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: on themselves. It's disgusting. But at the time they were like,

845
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: I think we like stopped looking through people's stuff after

846
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: we found this box of like weird dill Noo attachments. Yes,

847
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: we were both like oh no, yeah, and never talked

848
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: about it again.

849
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 2: That's the thing that you learn depending from somewhere between

850
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: when you're eleven and fourteen, yeah, which is you can

851
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: go ahead and snoop all you want, but there's a

852
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: you have to land on the other side of snooping, yeah,

853
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 2: which is not only that you you're a snooper and

854
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 2: you could get caught.

855
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, known as that. Yeah, but then you know something, Yeah,

856
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: there might be shit you don't want to know.

857
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: You're not even imagining what you wouldn't want to know, Yeah,

858
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: and managing that you're just being like, I know what

859
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 2: this is going to amount to.

860
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't do it, do not? Or I mean do

861
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: but just know that.

862
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: But then you have to die with some secrets. You

863
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 2: could snoop up a secret that you're then you're just like.

864
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: Well or I just know that and talk about it.

865
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: You're a slater. It's true. Okay, this isn't about me.

866
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: This is about Susan's disarming her alarm. It's dark in

867
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: her room. She goes to her room. This is your

868
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: last chance to guess what this is.

869
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 2: I know what this is because sorry, Mike is not

870
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 2: in the house.

871
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: No, okay, but your but I know what you know?

872
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: You think, okay, you know, but you have no idea.

873
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: From behind the bedroom door, a man suddenly lurches towards me.

874
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: It's a hired guy. Sorry, sorry, okay, Susan doesn't recognize

875
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: his face. He's got dockers, a blue striped shirt on,

876
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 1: and a tan baseball hat pulled down over his eyes.

877
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: He has yellow rubber gloves on his hands and is

878
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 1: carrying a red and black claw fucking hammer, a clawhammer clawhammer.

879
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: He swings the fucking hammer and his first blow lands

880
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: on her left temple.

881
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 2: Okay, you hire a hit man and he's like, here's

882
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: how I'm gonna do it.

883
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bludge in her to death.

884
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I choose to bludge in a person as

885
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 2: opposed to just shoot them get out of here.

886
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, horrify Yeah okay. So, using her instincts and

887
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: her three decades of experience in the er where Karen,

888
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: all the e R nurses are trained regularly in self defense,

889
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: learning how to slip out of headlocks and clutches. Wow,

890
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: Susan knows instinctively to crowd her attacker, not to like

891
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: cower and back off, because the blows land shittier if

892
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: you are the closer you are. I'm not this, don't legally,

893
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: I am not telling you to do anything when you

894
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 1: get attacked, et cetera. Yeah, and that would have less

895
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: force the swings of the hammer if she's not. If

896
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: she's super close to him, she fucking screams at him,

897
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: who are you? What do you want? She's fucking yelling

898
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: at him, but he doesn't answer. Susan's only five foot four,

899
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: so she's five inches shorter than the man, and she

900
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: has two bad knees from repeded injuries and her excessive weight,

901
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: as she fucking clearly stated in her in her single spad,

902
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: she out but she outweighed him because he was super skinny,

903
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: so she says she She slams her body up against

904
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: his attempts to push him over, but he doesn't fall. Instead,

905
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: he pushes Susan against the bedroom wall, then says, the

906
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: only phrase that he ever said, He's going to say

907
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: that night, secretly between you and me, the last fucking

908
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: thing he'll ever say. Oh, you're strong, You're strong. And

909
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 1: she says that the phrase sends surges of adrenaline through

910
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: her because she said quote. With hearing this phrase, she says,

911
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: he's here to kill me. She realized at that moment,

912
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: I don't know why, I don't know who he is,

913
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: but his intent was clear and those are his last

914
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: fucking words ever.

915
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 2: Oh.

916
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: Susan pushes him again and says, who sent you? She

917
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: wrestles the hammer from him, and she fucking swings the

918
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: claw three or four times into his skull. Fuck she

919
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: got the fucking hammer. Yes, He grabs it back, and

920
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 1: so Susan grabs his throat and says, who sent you here?

921
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: Squeezing his fucking throat. His face turns red and purple,

922
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: and then he goes blue. Susan freaks out at that

923
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: moment and lets go and tries to fucking run. She

924
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: he catches her though, as she's running from the bedroom.

925
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 1: They're in this narrow hallway together. He spins her around

926
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: and punches her, splitting her lip. Punches her again and

927
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: she falls to the floor, and when she looks up,

928
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: he's standing over her with the hammer, And at that moment,

929
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: she thinks, I'm going to die today. Why did she

930
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: let go when his face is blue? I mean, people

931
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: don't want to kill people, true, but fuck, I know,

932
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: at least make him pass out. I mean, yeah, but

933
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: like you think close enough.

934
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: Right, the fact that he was able to get up,

935
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: I guess so I always think I'm smarter than people

936
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 2: and death near death situations.

937
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: So she she needs to get the hammer from him,

938
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: so she pulls him to the floor with her. So

939
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: he's standing over her and she fucking pulls to the

940
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: ground her.

941
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: That's brilliant, I know.

942
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: She starts to bite him in her mind, thinking I

943
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna die, but I'm gonna fucking leave teeth

944
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: marks so people know that he like can find him. Yeah,

945
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: so she wrestling on the floor together, she bites his arm,

946
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: his flank, in his thigh, and bites through his fucking zipper,

947
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: to his fucking genitals, to his dick. They can't write

948
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: that in the will, i'met probably probably not. At the

949
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: same time, she's going through his fucking pockets looking for

950
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: ID so she can like throw his wallet under the bed,

951
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: so like the cops will know who it is. Jesus.

952
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, the er, her working in an

953
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 2: er probably prepped her for so many.

954
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: Times there's no time to panic.

955
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, real click, clear, thinker and horrible.

956
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: Here's exactly.

957
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 2: She said.

958
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: I was like a down power line snapping on the pavement.

959
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: How cool is that?

960
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 2: Wow?

961
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: I know the fight at this point lasted. You know

962
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: how long this fight has gone on? How long can

963
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: you fucking fight for? Do you think I would give

964
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: it a good nineteen minutes? Okay, never mind it's fourteen.

965
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: Oh but however, that's a lot. You're trying to say,

966
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: like six hours. I can't even do five minutes of cardio.

967
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: I can't even walk up your stairs without being winded. Exactly.

968
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so we'll edit that out and then

969
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 2: I'll say six minutes.

970
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, great. They're both wedged on their sides in

971
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: the small hallway. She throws a leg over his body,

972
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: climbs on top of him, hooks her left arm around

973
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: his neck's neck so she's got on a fucking chokehold.

974
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: Ww style, says, tell me who's sent Tell me who

975
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: sent you here, and I will call you a fucking ambulance.

976
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: And all he did was growl. And then she says,

977
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 1: when I realized I was not going to ever regain

978
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: the hammer, it came to me that I need I

979
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: needed to become the weapon. She growl us, she says.

980
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: She leans forward, tightens her against his throat, and he

981
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: stopped moving. She grabs a hammer and runs outside of

982
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: the neighbors. They call nine one one. Here's a quote

983
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,919
Speaker 1: from the nine to one call. Do you need an ambulance? Says?

984
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: They said, do you need an ambulance? And the neighbor

985
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: said no. She's a nurse, she says, calling ambulance for

986
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 1: the guy. He may be dead. She's like, ahaa, fucking fine,

987
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: but she is not. She is she doesn't know. She

988
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like as much of a badass about this.

989
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: As we think of her as a bad ass, she's

990
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: like freaked the fuck out about us. Of course, of course,

991
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: I mean not just that this happened to her, but

992
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: that she killed the dude, right.

993
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's I mean, that's a horrible burden.

994
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: Yes, So the man was fucking dead. His name's His

995
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: name was Edward Haffey. He was a fifty nine year

996
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: old Vietnam veteran. On off the top, she showed he

997
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: had a near lethal dose of cocaine in a system

998
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: when he died. Relatives and friends told police he'd been

999
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: raised in an upper middle class home and was an

1000
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: avid tennis player. So something fucking happened, and I bet

1001
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: it's cocaine. Yeah, recently lived or Vietnam. He recently lived

1002
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: in a trailer on northeast Killingsworth Street and had a

1003
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: long rap sheet. In Susan's basement, they find Ed's backpack

1004
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: and inside is a container of Hershey's syrup, what two

1005
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: hundred dollars in cash, diabetes pill and a day book

1006
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: and a paystub. So court records show that fifteen years earlier,

1007
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: on February twenty eighth, nineteen ninety one, this guy, Edward Hafey,

1008
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: arranged the murder of his ex girlfriend, thirty nine year

1009
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: old Georgia Lee Dutton. Weird that my name is Georgia

1010
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: and my sister's nickname is Lee.

1011
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, not really, a little bit, a little bit touch

1012
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 2: of weird, let's go a little.

1013
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: Her decomposed body was later found along the Umpqua River.

1014
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: That's right? Is that right near Roseberg? So I tried

1015
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: to look up details about her murder because I wanted

1016
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: to say some more about her, but I can't find

1017
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: anything at all. So he had pled guilty to conspiracy

1018
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: to commit aggurated murder in nineteen ninety four and spent

1019
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 1: the next nine years in the Eastern Oregon Correctional Institution.

1020
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: And he had been released in November of two thousand

1021
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: and three for murder. Oh god, okay, oh my good.

1022
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: After he got out, he moved to Portland and in

1023
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: July two thousand and four was hired by none other

1024
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: than our fucking friend Mike Koon haunts Hawsen. The worst

1025
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: last name of his name, it's clean floors at adult

1026
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: at Fantasy Adult Video. Oh so they were work mats,

1027
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: they were workmates. So which is where the pay stub

1028
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,479
Speaker 1: in his backpack was from oh okay, okay. There's also

1029
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,439
Speaker 1: a day book that had an entry that said call

1030
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: Mike for September fourth, two thousand and six, along with

1031
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: Mike's new cell phone number.

1032
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 2: So like, not a good murderer, No, one's covering anything.

1033
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,240
Speaker 1: Not a good hit man. No, and he got killed

1034
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: instead of well.

1035
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 2: I mean the claw the claw hammer is the indicator.

1036
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: This is not a hit man. This is like a lunatic.

1037
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. So on September eighth, Mike left a suicide

1038
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: note at his father's house, saying, oh, all I ever

1039
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: wanted was to be loved, and every time I had it,

1040
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: I fucked it up. No, dude, you're a piece of shit.

1041
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: Don't feel fucking sorry for yourself.

1042
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not the time for if you have

1043
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 2: arranged the murder of your ex wife that. Yeah, it's

1044
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:14,959
Speaker 2: not the time to talk about how hard things are.

1045
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: For you, right and how bad it is that you

1046
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: fuck things up. So then he takes off. Ten am

1047
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: on September thirteenth, a deputy finds Mike in the parking

1048
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: garage of a Kaiser. Mike says, he's checking himself in,

1049
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: don't kaiser?

1050
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, they won't have They'll have you there for ten minutes, max,

1051
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,439
Speaker 2: well for to a psychiatric hold.

1052
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, whatever, talk and shit.

1053
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 2: I didn't realize Kaiser had any psychiatric services available.

1054
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 1: Let's go try it. I will right now, I will.

1055
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: So police put him an involuntary psychiatric hold. Then they

1056
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: put him under arrest for conspiracy commit murder, obviously at

1057
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: a motive. He had lost his job weeks earlier, he

1058
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 1: had no place to live. Susan had named her brother

1059
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: as a beneficiar in her life insurance policy, which is

1060
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: so smart, because she was like, I'm divorced, Like she

1061
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 1: must have had some fucking yeah, you know, and Mike

1062
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: knew that. But Susan and Mike had paid off that

1063
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: house and it was worth about three hundred thousand dollars

1064
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: and it would be all his if Susan died, so

1065
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: he Mike claims he has nothing to do with it.

1066
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 1: But there's no signs of fourth century at Susan's home,

1067
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: and the security record showed someone had disabled the alarm

1068
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: while Susan was at work. Mike later said he had

1069
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: just dropped the note off, but they were like, you

1070
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: let this fucking killer inside me. He's like no, No,

1071
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 1: I didn't.

1072
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 2: Oh, the note was like his cover of like the

1073
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 2: yeas that I was there, but it wasn't my thing.

1074
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: I was there and I disabled the alarm, but it

1075
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: was so I could leave this note. And they're like, yeah,

1076
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: but clearly you just fucking let this guy in.

1077
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 2: At the same time, and also if they're getting a

1078
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 2: divorced or divorced, why would she give a shit if

1079
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 2: he's going somewhere like right, tell me when you get

1080
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 2: back that you went somewhere right.

1081
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 1: No, it's it's very stupid. Yeah, so blah blah blah.

1082
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: All these other little things happen, and we know it's him.

1083
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: The promise was a fifty thousand dollars pay day for

1084
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: this the dude who killed her, who got killed. On

1085
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: August thirtieth, two thousand and seven, Mike pleads guilty to solicituding.

1086
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: Solicituding maybe Susan's murder, okay, and that so the hitman's

1087
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: aunt writes a letter to Susan in twenty ten after

1088
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: all this takes place, saying, although this was a terrible

1089
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: thing that happened, no one in this family has any

1090
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: bad feelings towards you. You did what you were forced

1091
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: to do, and in doing so, you spared many from

1092
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: the same trauma you experienced.

1093
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 2: That's right. Oh my god, that's incredible.

1094
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,959
Speaker 1: I know. So Susan filed for divorce the day after

1095
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: Mike's arrest.

1096
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: Oh they were just separated.

1097
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, they hadn't divorced yet, Okay, okay, And by twenty fourteen,

1098
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: she had moved to a new Portland home and like

1099
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 1: a crazy out of the way cul de sac, she said,

1100
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: she felt like a quote, a broken plate glued back together,

1101
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: Like she's just it's so sweet that she's so fucking

1102
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: heartbroken about how to kill someone, even though the person

1103
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: she killed out of self defense was the person who

1104
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: was sent to murder her, the person who attempted to

1105
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,439
Speaker 1: murder her. Yeah, very seriously, she's a badass and she's

1106
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: justified as fuck, and what an amazing person. And we

1107
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: all hope that we would act the same way in

1108
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: such a situation, and we're in awe of her that

1109
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: she fucking did that, and it doesn't really feel that way.

1110
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 1: I think when it happens is what this shows us.

1111
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 2: Right, it's like, first that's that's the effect that has

1112
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 2: on us as first person.

1113
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 1: Especially as a nurse who's like trained to save lives.

1114
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: That's her point in life. Yeah, that's exactly right.

1115
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: And she's and she understands why people get into the

1116
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 2: situation where they're like, I'm doing so much coke, I

1117
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 2: think it's okay to kill someone h the claw hammer.

1118
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, the worst. So so she she's super parent at

1119
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: this time. She says, I'm doing a life sentence for

1120
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: picking a bad husband, which is likely. Don't put that

1121
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 1: on you. Yeah, we're all broken plates.

1122
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 2: That's the thing.

1123
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:03,479
Speaker 1: We're all broken plates.

1124
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 2: We're all broken plate.

1125
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: We've never been whole plates. Yeah. Maybe right when we

1126
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: were born, but yeah, somewhere around. Yeah, I mean it's

1127
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: different from hood too, Like this podcast.

1128
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 2: For me, I would say it really was preteen.

1129
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: That's when the way broke.

1130
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 2: I was just like, what the fuck is happening?

1131
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see that. I think when we first have memories,

1132
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: like you have a memory because something happens true, you know.

1133
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

1134
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I mean five or six, I think

1135
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: for me.

1136
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 2: But her, Yeah, that experience would be that's something you really.

1137
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: Have to work through. Yes. So Mike is supposed to

1138
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 1: be released on September fourteenth, twenty fourteen, So she's freaking

1139
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: the fuck out. She puts gravel all around her house

1140
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 1: so she can hear any footsteps. She practiced shooting out

1141
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: of shooting range, and she said, if he came here,

1142
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: he was not going to get close enough to hurt me.

1143
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: So can you imagine how terrifying that? Then, ninety two

1144
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: days before his release, on Friday the thirteenth of twenty fourteen,

1145
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: Mike died of prostate cancer in prison at sixty five

1146
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: years old. Shit. Yeah, So her name is now Susan Walters.

1147
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: She continued to work as a nurse until December twenty fourteen,

1148
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: and today she's a motivational speaker and provides self defense

1149
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: expertise for Portland's for Portland Police Bureaus, Women's Strength and

1150
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: Girl Strength programs. Yes, and she's a go to expert

1151
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: on victims fucking rights. Yeah, she's an advocate and focus

1152
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: it's on developing a web based portal for crime victims.

1153
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 1: That portal provides a protected single point for victims to

1154
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: receive updates about their offenders. So you know, like, the

1155
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: people are like, no one fucking told me he was

1156
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: getting out of prison or today was his fucking parole hearing.

1157
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: I could have gone to and said, what happened? You

1158
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: know you can follow that now. Yeah, that's amazing. That's

1159
00:55:54,680 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: so important. Victims of crime in mull oh god, everyone Malton, Manoma,

1160
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,479
Speaker 1: Maltnomah County is that right can now follow their case,

1161
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: their offenders and access resources through the website it's casecompanion

1162
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: dot org. And I think every fucking city should have this.

1163
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: That's incredible, and she said. Susan says, surviving the event

1164
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: itself is difficult. Surviving a prolonged and protracted criminal justice

1165
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: journey is also equally hard, which we like totally. That's amazing.

1166
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: So she said, being an imperfect woman, I married an

1167
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: imperfect man thinking that we could love, honor and negotiate

1168
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 1: and have a good life together. But he had issues

1169
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: around abandonment, anger, and anxiety that he couldn't overcome. She

1170
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: says that she and the family of Mike hopes that

1171
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: he finds the peace he didn't find in this world

1172
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: in death. And that's the story of badass fucking Susan Kuhnhausen.

1173
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a main and there's a survivor I survived

1174
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 2: about it.

1175
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. I watched and it's good, but there's

1176
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,240
Speaker 1: another story in it, one of the other two stories

1177
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: that's really fucking depressing, which one it's a girl who's

1178
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: closing up like the store she works in and gets

1179
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: held up and like they never found the person. It's

1180
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: just like really and she's so fragile and like clearly

1181
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: like not ready to talk about it.

1182
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that show is so good. It's so perfectly produced.

1183
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 2: It's so well done. But there are I would say

1184
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 2: about five where I watch and go isn't ready and

1185
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 2: isn't It's beautiful that they're doing it for themselves because

1186
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 2: I bet it's a great step for them.

1187
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: And for other I'm sure other people listen to it

1188
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: and hear it and see this woman telling the story

1189
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: and they're so empowered by her. Yeah, but she just

1190
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: seems so fragile and it was it made me really sad.

1191
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 2: But it's also the reality of it.

1192
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the reality of it totally is Yeah.

1193
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so good. That show is credible.

1194
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: And then there was a family whose fucking boat like capsized.

1195
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 2: Cool too, I dipped into a frozen river. It's like, okay,

1196
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 2: and I feel bad for you.

1197
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: But there's a.

1198
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 2: Woman who's fighting off a fucking claw hammer.

1199
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: We need to get back to her, can we can?

1200
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 2: We real quick, real quick. Those are always the stories

1201
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 2: that end. First you notice that the boat people the

1202
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: boat capsized, they get rescued, and then they're like, well,

1203
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 2: God helped me out of the ocean. Yeah awesome, we'll

1204
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 2: talk to you later.

1205
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: Hey, Susan, what did God not help you out of?

1206
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: Can you tell us God help them out of the ocean?

1207
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: What did you ever do?

1208
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 2: She's like, well, I became an emergency room nurse and

1209
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 2: fucking nailed some shit to the wall.

1210
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah she did.

1211
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 2: Oh it's in tons. Yeah, okay, we're back.

1212
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: Are there updates for this story? The only update is

1213
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: that the secure online portal that Susan Hill developed to

1214
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: keep crime victims informed about their offenders and court proceedings,

1215
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: which is so fucking important, Yeah, is still active today.

1216
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: It's called case Companion and continues to serve the victims

1217
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: in malt Nama County, Oregon, And you can learn more

1218
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: at casecompanion dot org. And like, I mean, talk about

1219
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: turning your nightmare into something so incredible and positive to

1220
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: help others, I mean, and so something that is so needed. Yeah,

1221
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: like that idea you shouldn't have to fight for it.

1222
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 2: No, but like that kind of work, and that that

1223
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 2: idea that somebody going through something horrifying and then taking

1224
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 2: what was wrong about it and then going, I want

1225
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 2: to make sure this doesn't happen to anybody else totally

1226
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 2: is kind of the point.

1227
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: Of all of it. Absolutely, it's life affirming.

1228
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's what people who get through things in

1229
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 2: are stronger forward, are able to then turn around and

1230
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 2: do right. Also, that woman that her episode of I

1231
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 2: Survived is incredible.

1232
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: She's I see her every once in a while, like

1233
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: in a you know, I'm through crime Instagram post and

1234
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: I'm just my fuck. Yeah, yeah, she's so cool. She

1235
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: really did it. All right, let's get into Karen's story

1236
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: about the order of the Solar Temple.

1237
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: All right, well, I went a little culty with mine

1238
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 2: for this week. Good, I think because somebody recommended on

1239
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 2: Twitter and I'm sorry didn't write your name down because

1240
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 2: I get very defensive when people recommend British procedurals to me,

1241
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 2: as you know, because I'm always like, how dare you

1242
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 2: come to me with a Walluander recommendation. We've talked about

1243
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 2: this a lot but I still like it more.

1244
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it more. Let's let's really do a

1245
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: deep dive. This is about you.

1246
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 2: But somebody recommended a show called Silent Witness and it

1247
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 2: is basically a it's like a law and Order in

1248
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 2: England where there are on iTunes. It's season one through

1249
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 2: four and then season like seventeen through twenty nine, like

1250
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 2: it's been on for.

1251
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: It's a procedural time.

1252
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 2: It's a procedural and it's basically about the corner and

1253
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 2: the medical examiner.

1254
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: And who's the silent witness, the corner.

1255
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 2: Corner medical examiner or maybe the dead body dead body

1256
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 2: any answers.

1257
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: Anyway, it's a cat. There's a cat that lives corners.

1258
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 2: Cat like a Bdega cat, but in the or just

1259
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 2: as up on a shelf.

1260
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: Can I just say there's a there's an instagram called

1261
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: Bodega Cats of Instagram. Yeah, and it's made me never

1262
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: want to eat out a bodega again because just the photos,

1263
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: I mean, they're adorable. But cat's assholes on everything on Adego,

1264
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,959
Speaker 1: Like any fucking bag of Guardettos, fucking chips, you get

1265
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: the cats of Adega, cat's asshole.

1266
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 2: Just do a quick chlorox wipe prints on the outside

1267
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 2: of that bag.

1268
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: I can never lick a bag of gardettas. Again, that's

1269
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: how you pick what flavor you want. Because you lick

1270
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: the outside, it tastes like what they're supposed to taste like. Right,

1271
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: that's the right.

1272
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 2: The outside tastes like the inside, just like people. I

1273
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 2: love fucking New York City bodegas so much. As a

1274
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 2: country girl who we always lived five miles away from

1275
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 2: anything good when I lived in New York, the idea

1276
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 2: that I could walk down the stairs from my apartment

1277
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 2: and literally forty feet to the corner and go in

1278
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 2: and get a bag of tats. They always have tats,

1279
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 2: they always have hairbo weird.

1280
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: Like brand of ice cream. Sandwiches yep. And the word

1281
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: bodega sounds so cool. It sounds very much like Hi.

1282
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: I'm an art student.

1283
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 2: I sometimes free based coke, but I also just love

1284
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 2: to come and get an Italian sub sandwich.

1285
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So anyway I went.

1286
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 2: I went because I had watched I think four seasons

1287
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 2: of Silent Witness, and there were some It's such it's

1288
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 2: very dramatically produced, and there's a lot of like her

1289
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 2: just standing over a dead body being like, uh, you know,

1290
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 2: the victim is in a in rigor where you're like, okay,

1291
01:02:58,080 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 2: this is very real.

1292
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: It's because it's boring. It's a touch boring, you get it.

1293
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: They're not afraid to.

1294
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 2: Go boring in English, because that's what's really like, because

1295
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 2: it's real. There's one where it was about a bunch

1296
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 2: of people who died on a boat and then every

1297
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 2: time so they were just sitting there waiting at the harbor,

1298
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 2: waiting for the dead bodies to get transported in from

1299
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 2: the ocean, and then every time it would there would

1300
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 2: just be this terrible horn that would sound, and I

1301
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 2: was like, I bet this is what really happens.

1302
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: This is awful, Like.

1303
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 2: It's just when I turn it off exactly because you're like,

1304
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to experience this. Maybe it will happen

1305
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 2: to me someday, So how about I don't go through

1306
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 2: it now? Right?

1307
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear. Oh in my fucking show

1308
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: that I'm watching, why do they keep driving dead bodies

1309
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: up in these jaloppies.

1310
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 2: It's not funny, it's not I don't appreciate it. Okay,

1311
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 2: So anyway, I had a lot of that, So then

1312
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 2: I was like, let's take a nice left turn and

1313
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 2: go into a little cult area. And I thought about

1314
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 2: the one that I've always been obsessed with, which is

1315
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 2: the Order of the Soul Temple.

1316
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1317
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 2: So this was the one where on October fourth, nineteen

1318
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 2: ninety four, and this was on so remember back ninety four.

1319
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: Remember it was on all the news. I don't remember this.

1320
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 2: Okay, get ready, because you might as I encourage you

1321
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 2: to yell out when you remember, I'm going to You.

1322
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: Don't have to encourage me, okay.

1323
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 2: So October fourth, nineteen ninety four, it's a place called

1324
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 2: Morn I'm assuming it's pronounced more in Heights. It's a

1325
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 2: ski resort near Montreal, and authorities are called to the

1326
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 2: scene of a burning condominium and when they get inside

1327
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 2: put the fire out, they find two charred dead bodies.

1328
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 2: So they look up who owns the condominium and on

1329
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 2: the whatever mortgage papers, I don't yeah, I owners, Oh

1330
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 2: this the signage pie area. Yeah, the owners are two men,

1331
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 2: Joseph de Mombro and Luke Gerret. So they assumed that

1332
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 2: these two charred bodies are the owners. But then as

1333
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 2: the investigators make their way through the burnt condominium apartment.

1334
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: They find three.

1335
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 2: More bodies in the back in the back of the house,

1336
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 2: in like stacked in a closet, and those bodies are

1337
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 2: identified as a man named Tony Dutoit or Dutois, and

1338
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 2: his wife Nicki, and their three month old son, Christopher Emmanuel.

1339
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: Are they burned too? Or they they're burned?

1340
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 2: But then once the investigators start looking into it, they

1341
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 2: realize that the front two bodies and the back bodies

1342
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 2: are all covered in blood, so before they burned, they

1343
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 2: were covered in blood.

1344
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1345
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 2: So then they're like, something actually happened here. Well, then

1346
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 2: on Tony's body, he was stabbed over fifty times in the.

1347
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: Back, holy shit.

1348
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 2: Nicki was stabbed in the chest and like upper body

1349
01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 2: area like six or seven times.

1350
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god. This is the worst part.

1351
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 2: The baby was stabbed in the heart with a wooden steak.

1352
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 2: So they're like, what kind of a cult shit is

1353
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 2: going on here?

1354
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 1: I have never heard this before.

1355
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 2: It's shitty.

1356
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: Tell me everything, Okay.

1357
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 2: So then they realize that one of the two bodies

1358
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 2: that they found originally up in the front of the house,

1359
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 2: one of them is a woman. So they're like, I

1360
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 2: don't think this is the owners. Something insane happened here,

1361
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 2: so that they pull out. They put out arrest warrants

1362
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 2: for the owners because they had. The police discover that

1363
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 2: all five of these people were members of the Order

1364
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 2: of the Solar Temple, which was a very secretive sect

1365
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 2: founded by the two men on the owner's papers, Joseph

1366
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:50,919
Speaker 2: de Mombro and Luke Cherat. Then the police find out

1367
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 2: that Tony and his wife Nikki had recently left the

1368
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 2: cult after speaking out against these leaders, and so that's

1369
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 2: when the cops are like, okay, we got to arrest

1370
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 2: these guys, but they're nowhere to be found. The next

1371
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 2: day or it's the same Delitzee. It's October fifth in

1372
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 2: the Swiss village of Cirie is how it's pronounced. There's

1373
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 2: a farmhouse that's on fire, and when the firemen in

1374
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 2: this Swiss village go there and put it out, they

1375
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 2: find the owner inside. He's slumped over the kitchen table

1376
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 2: and there's a plastic bag over his head, so they think, oh, no,

1377
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 2: he's an elderly farmer and this he's committed suicide. Then

1378
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 2: they find a gunshot wound in the back of his

1379
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 2: head and they're like, uh oh, so then they as

1380
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 2: they inspect the house, they start finding incendiary devices all

1381
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 2: over the house, and then they start looking in the

1382
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 2: outbuildings on the property. So there's more buildings aside from

1383
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 2: the farmhouse. They start to investigate these buildings, they also

1384
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 2: have these incendiary devices in them, and one of them,

1385
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 2: the one of the.

1386
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: Cops, observes that the outside of.

1387
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 2: The building is really big, but when they go in,

1388
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 2: it's really small. There's just a small space and it's

1389
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 2: like an office that looks really busy. It looks like

1390
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:13,959
Speaker 2: there's people that come there to work every day or whatever,

1391
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 2: but it's compared to the outside. They're like they start

1392
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 2: looking for secret panels and they find one, and basically

1393
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 2: what happens is an entire section of wall is found

1394
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 2: to be able to slide back.

1395
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1396
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 2: On the other side of this wall they find a

1397
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 2: huge secret chamber. It's decorated floor to ceiling in red.

1398
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 2: No it has these weird mirrors on every wall that

1399
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 2: at the top are kind of shaped a little bit

1400
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 2: like I don't know what the word is. It's like that,

1401
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 2: you know, like the top of a Turkish turret or whatever,

1402
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 2: where it looks like a Hershey's kiss but swoopy fatter. Yes. Anyway,

1403
01:08:55,120 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 2: it's all like ritualized. There's weird these weird stands like

1404
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,679
Speaker 2: lecterns that are gold that are in there, and there's

1405
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 2: and then they they so basically it's all obviously used

1406
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:10,839
Speaker 2: for some kind of religious rites.

1407
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: Straight up CULTI bullshit, some CULTI bullshit.

1408
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 2: There's champagne bottles on the ground and in the middle

1409
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 2: of the floor arranged in a like star formation feet

1410
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 2: in the center head of the outside are eighteen corpses,

1411
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 2: the eighteen eighteen.

1412
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 1: They're all wearing.

1413
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 2: Either red, gold or black ceremonial capes and some have

1414
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 2: plastic bags over their heads. Then they find another a

1415
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 2: second secret room. There's three more bodies inside that room,

1416
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 2: and there's a ton of blood in both rooms.

1417
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 1: So the police basically start putting together imagine stumbling upon

1418
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:58,759
Speaker 1: that No, it's a something on a fucking secret hidden room. Yes,

1419
01:09:59,040 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: like which is awesome.

1420
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 2: The Moller coaster of emotions that cop went through where

1421
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 2: he's like, I'm the one that hey, and then they

1422
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 2: slide the wall back and it's like.

1423
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: Well, here you go, Yeah, this is what you wanted.

1424
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: Here's your secret room friend.

1425
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 2: So they realize that this is obviously a ritualized mass suicide,

1426
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 2: but there's so much blood in the room. They're like, oh,

1427
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 2: this wasn't voluntary for a lot of these people. Yeah,

1428
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 2: and most of the people had been killed by gunshot

1429
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 2: once to the head that were not self inflicted. So

1430
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:35,560
Speaker 2: that's how they start putting together that this was perhaps

1431
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:40,719
Speaker 2: non voluntary suicide or as we like to call it, murder.

1432
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 1: Okay, nonvoluntary.

1433
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:51,440
Speaker 2: The worst kind of suicide, non voluntary. I am a professional,

1434
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 2: It's like cop Okay. So, then two days later, one

1435
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 2: hundred miles away in the Swiss was short village of

1436
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 2: Grange Sir Salvan, Thank you so much?

1437
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: Do you know it sounds nothing like that, Yeah, but

1438
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 1: it sounds better when you say it.

1439
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 2: I just I'm trying to sell it like I'm a

1440
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:13,440
Speaker 2: waitress at a fancy French cafe.

1441
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: Right, would you like a croc monsieur or a okay?

1442
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 2: So, which is French for baked onion?

1443
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 1: Okay.

1444
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 2: The fire department is called to now three adjacent chalets

1445
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:30,799
Speaker 2: that are all on fire, and inside each they find

1446
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 2: early similar scenes to the Serie fire. This time, twenty.

1447
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: Five bodies are discovered.

1448
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 2: I get, including three teenagers and four children, and most

1449
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 2: of these bodies, these victims have been poisoned and they're

1450
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 2: all identified through a dental records to also be members

1451
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:56,839
Speaker 2: of the Order of the Solar Temple. And in this situation,

1452
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 2: only fifteen of the forty seven true suicides.

1453
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 1: The rest were murders.

1454
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 2: So now the search for the co founders of the

1455
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 2: Order of the Solar Temple goes international. So basically this

1456
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 2: cult was founded by this guy, Joseph de Moombro, who

1457
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 2: was born in southern France. He studied to be a

1458
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 2: clockmaker and a jeweler, but he always had interest in

1459
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 2: the occult, and when he was in his thirties, he

1460
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 2: joined the Rosicutions or the Order of the Rosy Cross.

1461
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 2: And it's another So there's all these secret cults or

1462
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 2: sex that are based on the Knights Templar. So the

1463
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:41,679
Speaker 2: Knights Templar were the knights who went on the First

1464
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 2: Crusades and they came back and then they were so

1465
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 2: dedicated to this spreading of Christianity down into the Middle

1466
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 2: East that they began to protect. It was like they

1467
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 2: vowed to protect all these Christian and pilgrims that were

1468
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 2: going down into the Middle East, so they would they

1469
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 2: basically kind of were out there protecting people, but they

1470
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 2: also made a ton of money because of the because

1471
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 2: of the Crusades. They were just out there, you know,

1472
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 2: obviously killing and pillaging and doing all their stuff, so

1473
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 2: they became very rich. Then their power, they were so

1474
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 2: well regarded that they became really powerful, and of course

1475
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 2: then the popes.

1476
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 1: Were like, who are these motherfuckers?

1477
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 2: We're supposed to be the most powerful, So then they

1478
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 2: became hunted, and then that's when they went underground, and

1479
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 2: it was all secret, secret, secret. So that's what all

1480
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 2: these people And that's kind of like the like the

1481
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 2: Dan Brown books and stuff where it's all the Knights

1482
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 2: templar this, and the Knights templar that.

1483
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 1: If if the guy, if the guy or gal who

1484
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 1: does animate my podcast would animate that part of you

1485
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 1: telling me explaining to me the Crusades, because it's I.

1486
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 2: Would say, I would guess right now, and hopefully there

1487
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 2: was a history professor listening. Oh yeah, I think I

1488
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 2: probably got that fifty seven percent right. I think I

1489
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,720
Speaker 2: would have passed a test, but not well a D

1490
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 2: plus a D plus which is pretty much my.

1491
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 1: Average, and it would make you happy now and the

1492
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: repressed for that that you're not supposed to be happy

1493
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: about that. I thought him past bitch.

1494
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 2: I passed bitch, and I never thought I could because

1495
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 2: I can't read. So definitely let me know all the

1496
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 2: information I'm missing in the three hundred years that the

1497
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 2: Knight's Templar were in action.

1498
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 1: But essentially it became that thing.

1499
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 2: And we've all seen the Dan Brown what is that

1500
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 2: book that I can't think of? The Dvinchi cod Thank you, Steven.

1501
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 2: Stephen loves literature. But it's just this idea that essentially

1502
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 2: they were protecting Mary Magdalene, who was carrying Jesus's baby.

1503
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 2: You know, that's like at the end of the day,

1504
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 2: that is supposedly the uh what do they call that?

1505
01:14:53,240 --> 01:15:03,560
Speaker 1: The truth? The Bible? Christianity?

1506
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 2: What's the cup? The Kiddish cup? Thank you? The Holy

1507
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:09,799
Speaker 2: Grail is Jesus's baby, right.

1508
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 1: It's also called the Kiddish cup. We had it first.

1509
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 1: Oh that's true, So don't come at me with a

1510
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 1: fucking yeah, you explained it to me.

1511
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 2: I don't fucking know what's going on anyway.

1512
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 1: This is a religion podcast. It's all about secrets.

1513
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 2: They based this whole thing on, like secrets, hidden treasure,

1514
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 2: hidden money, making sure that they could always kind of

1515
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 2: get this the Christianity where they needed it to go, okay,

1516
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 2: and have missionaries protected.

1517
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,680
Speaker 1: Okay, so secret societies are like, got to keep it,

1518
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:37,919
Speaker 1: keep up with the Christians.

1519
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 2: Right, But then as we know, when things are secret,

1520
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 2: then little power structures come up. And then suddenly you've

1521
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,719
Speaker 2: got two people that are like, well, I'm in charge

1522
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 2: of the secret sect, and now I've decided we're going

1523
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 2: to do a little something extra. We're going to wash

1524
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 2: everybody's feet in a bucket, right we're gonna do They

1525
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 2: start adding their own shit, and it's like, no longer

1526
01:15:57,439 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 2: are you a Knight's templar.

1527
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 1: Now you're a foot washed.

1528
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 2: Now you're some kind of like I feel like everyone,

1529
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 2: every woman needs to fuck me before we start this ceremony.

1530
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 1: How many times have I said this, fuck the government?

1531
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 2: And I'll say it again.

1532
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 1: This is not my fucking phrase. That's right. Ellis fucking knows.

1533
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm sick of you saying he knows, he's

1534
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 1: so sick of it.

1535
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 2: Okay, So any anyhow, I lost my place entirely. Okay,

1536
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 2: that's what this podcast is called where am I where.

1537
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 1: He?

1538
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy three, Joseph de Mombro moves to the

1539
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 2: Swiss border. He starts a group called the Center for

1540
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 2: the Preparation of the New Age. Okay, so you know,

1541
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 2: hot stuff is happening in this group. Let's get together,

1542
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 2: let's weave some looms, let's fucking.

1543
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 1: Make pottery, let's talk about the.

1544
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 2: Knights templars seventy three Okay, And he begins to tell

1545
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 2: his followers or the people in the group that he

1546
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 2: is the reincarnation of the god o Cyrus and of Moses.

1547
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:08,440
Speaker 2: And then he starts telling them, you're the reincarnation of Napoleon,

1548
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:12,520
Speaker 2: and you're the reincarnation of Cleopatra, and everybody's the reincarnation

1549
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 2: of some famous political leader or royalty of some kind.

1550
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 1: Doubt it.

1551
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 2: And then he starts telling them he is the one

1552
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 2: that's going to decide who's having a relationship with who,

1553
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 2: because he's the only one who knows who they were

1554
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 2: originally were. And now we have this chance to breed

1555
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 2: a master race of children. So let's make sure that

1556
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 2: like Cleopatra has sex with Napoleon or whatever. He's making up.

1557
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 1: All this shit, and people like, yes, sounds good.

1558
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:41,599
Speaker 2: Everyone's like, yeah, we want a bone, Yeah, we want

1559
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 2: a bone, and we want to be dead famous people. Right,

1560
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 2: So he basically is like, I'm in charge of who

1561
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 2: gets married. I'm in charge of who gets to have children.

1562
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 2: So it becomes he goes from like we're a group

1563
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 2: that gets together to talk about how grab the Knights

1564
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 2: Templar are, and now it's like I control every aspect

1565
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 2: of your life, which is how it always goes. Even

1566
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 2: though that's how intense and bizarre it was. All these

1567
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 2: respected citizens and extremely wealthy people join this thing because

1568
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 2: it's all about the He sells this idea that you

1569
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 2: if you give enough money, you can like absorb the

1570
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 2: spirituality and power of the Knights Templar. It's this honorable

1571
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 2: society and you join it and you're forwarding the Christian

1572
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 2: movement or what I don't know whatever.

1573
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 1: So because rich people get bored is really what that means.

1574
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 2: They get bored and they we all want guarantees. Right,

1575
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 2: So it's like I'm gonna give this guy who claims

1576
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 2: to be what he also claimed to be the reincarnation

1577
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 2: of a fourteenth century night templar whatever, and then the

1578
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 2: other guy Luke Jera. He claimed to be the third

1579
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 2: incarnation of Jesus Christ.

1580
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 1: He went straight to the top.

1581
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:56,759
Speaker 2: Oh man, yeah so uh so basically people are getting

1582
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,719
Speaker 2: into it. And at that time he changed the name

1583
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 2: Joseph Demambro. In nineteen seventy eight changes the name to

1584
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 2: the Foundation of the Golden Way. He takes a core

1585
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 2: group of the followers and is like, we're super into this,

1586
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 2: let's go start the Foundation of the Golden Way. And

1587
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 2: in that group, that's when Lukexuray shows up. He is

1588
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 2: Luxuray was born in the Belgian Congo. He studied to

1589
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 2: be an actual doctor. Then he decides he's not into

1590
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 2: like traditional medicines and he wants to be an alternative healer.

1591
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 2: So then he starts getting really into holistic medicine and

1592
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 2: really into new age shit, and he starts he becomes

1593
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:37,600
Speaker 2: like a star on the New Age circuit. He's the

1594
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 2: one that, like in the mid late seventies, is out

1595
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 2: there telling everybody, here's how you tap into your inner

1596
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:45,559
Speaker 2: the godd o Cyrus or whatever the fuck it is.

1597
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 1: You stop prying about gas. You don't have to worry

1598
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,599
Speaker 1: about gas prices and fucking having a job and money, right,

1599
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 1: because you're wealthy.

1600
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't worry about any of the things that everybody

1601
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 2: else in Jimmy Carter's America are freshing out about.

1602
01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it, yeah, because you have enough money.

1603
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 1: So come join a cult, Come secret sect with us. Yeah.

1604
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 2: So when they meet, Joe Dimambro knows that this guy,

1605
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 2: he's like the face man, He's going to be the

1606
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 2: perfect pitch man for their new cult, which they in

1607
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four basically reconfigure.

1608
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going on for so long.

1609
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 2: They reconfigure and call themselves the Order of the Solar Temple.

1610
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 2: So that's when Luke Jerai comes into Joe Demombro's life.

1611
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 1: That's when it all clicks. So basically, uh, they in

1612
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 1: this group.

1613
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:36,759
Speaker 2: They have these rituals that are based on ancient Christian

1614
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 2: and Masonic rites. It's all secret, so all the members

1615
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 2: are secret all that you know, nobody tells anybody else

1616
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:44,679
Speaker 2: that they're in this group.

1617
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: And at its.

1618
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 2: Height, they had lodges in Canada, Australia, Switzerland, and Martinique.

1619
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll join just to fucking go on bak, I.

1620
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 2: Mean right, you know, to just go to an island

1621
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 2: and then pretend you're Cleopatra skiing and shit skiing and

1622
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 2: to meet. So that was a joke everybody I know.

1623
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 2: Martinique is a beautiful island. So soon the topic changes.

1624
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 2: And when I say soon, I mean after seven years

1625
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,639
Speaker 2: or whatever the fuck. Soon these people stay in this

1626
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 2: weird cult. They start sending this message that an apocalypse

1627
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 2: is coming. It's an environmental apocalypse. Man has caused it.

1628
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 2: It's man's fault that it's going to happen, and only

1629
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 2: the elite are going to survive it. Great, So if

1630
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 2: you want to be in that group, why don't you

1631
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 2: kick down all of the money that you have. No, yeah,

1632
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 2: they make everybody give them all of their money.

1633
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah.

1634
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 2: And it's this insurance. So eventually that message becomes the

1635
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 2: reason that you should trust us. Is that Joe's daughter,

1636
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 2: whose name was Emmanuel, she was one of nine existing

1637
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:55,759
Speaker 2: cosmic children who would lead them all to a planet

1638
01:21:55,760 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 2: that was next to the star Serius and his son,

1639
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:05,839
Speaker 2: also Eli, I believe his name was his destiny. Eli's

1640
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:08,799
Speaker 2: destney was to usher in the New Age. So luckily

1641
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 2: the leader of this cult, two children were the key

1642
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 2: pieces to get them to So basically the Earth was

1643
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 2: going to end for environmental reasons, and then they were

1644
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 2: going to travel via the a Path of Fire to

1645
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:25,759
Speaker 2: a planet that's next to the Star series.

1646
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, it's crazy, it's crazy, and I want to

1647
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 1: be like, how the fuck? But like, there's there's the

1648
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 1: podcast Heaven's Gate that's like super good. That like my

1649
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 1: sad retelling of the Heaven's Gate story last week before

1650
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 1: the podcast came out, By the way, I just I

1651
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 1: didn't know about it yet.

1652
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 2: It was good.

1653
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 1: They like focus on a couple actual cult members and

1654
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 1: explain how it happened, and you kind of get it

1655
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 1: a little more. But it's just so bananas and bonkers.

1656
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 2: I think it comes down to that feeling of like

1657
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 2: when life is feels really plain all the time. Yeah,

1658
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,760
Speaker 2: and then you get introduced to an idea of your special.

1659
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:03,759
Speaker 1: And there's more than there's more than this, and you're correct.

1660
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 1: Everyone else is going along with their everyday life and

1661
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 1: they're all lemmings.

1662
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 2: Your special. I see how special you are. Come in

1663
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 2: do my ritual.

1664
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me shin. I have I have knowledge, yeah,

1665
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:21,320
Speaker 1: I and that I will impart onto you. Yes, listen,

1666
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 1: I'm starting a cull right now.

1667
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm believing you in here are you

1668
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:25,639
Speaker 2: the gotto? Sirius?

1669
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 1: I have Elvis sitting on my lap staring at me.

1670
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,799
Speaker 2: She is petting a cat in a kind of evil

1671
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:31,719
Speaker 2: cult like way.

1672
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:37,639
Speaker 1: Okay, I just uncrossed his eyes. It's a miracle, she's real.

1673
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, So okay. So basically this is this that talk

1674
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 2: goes on so long that of course nothing ends up happening.

1675
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 2: And the members are like, yeah, okay, you've been talking

1676
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 2: about this apocalypse for a while. Nothing's going on, and

1677
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 2: I've given you like millions.

1678
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 1: Of the apocalypse happened.

1679
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want I want everyone else to die. I

1680
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 2: want to see what you're talking about. I want these

1681
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 2: things to happen. Well, also, meanwhile, they started getting, of course,

1682
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:08,560
Speaker 2: super crazy with their power. They were buying houses everywhere.

1683
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 2: They had everybody's money. So they're out like they've got

1684
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 2: houses here, and you know, as you saw chalets and

1685
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:16,480
Speaker 2: condos every in every city.

1686
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,640
Speaker 1: They're hiding fucking rooms they've.

1687
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 2: Got they can build things that look like small rooms

1688
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 2: but that are actually big rooms. It's crazy. And so

1689
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 2: the members are like, yeah, you seem to be getting

1690
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff, but like all of our you

1691
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 2: know it's on our dime. So then Luke Gera is

1692
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:41,599
Speaker 2: voted out as grand master of the Canadian branch of

1693
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:46,559
Speaker 2: the Tumbles. How mad is he because he starts to

1694
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 2: demand that that one woman has sex with him before

1695
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 2: every ritual for his to build strength, and everyone's like okay,

1696
01:24:56,479 --> 01:25:00,680
Speaker 2: but he he's getting everyone started. He's like, all the

1697
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,479
Speaker 2: members are like, you're losing your shit, and it's obvious

1698
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:05,520
Speaker 2: and it's creepy.

1699
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 1: So then he gets voted out.

1700
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 2: Well then Joe Demombro is just like, wait, no, it's

1701
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 2: our cult. You can't get voted out. What are you doing?

1702
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, this isn't a fucking fantasy island or whatever.

1703
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:21,720
Speaker 2: Yeah you mean survivor, Yes, yes you knew. Just as

1704
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 2: a bit of information, Luke Jerie, it shouldn't be a

1705
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 2: surprise that he lost his shit because before joining the

1706
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 2: Order of the Solar Temple, he had belonged to a racist,

1707
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:36,640
Speaker 2: neo Nazi magical organization co founded by a former Gestapo

1708
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 2: officer named Julian Origis, and he was also an illegal

1709
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 2: arms dealer, so he wasn't a great like, he wasn't

1710
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 2: a nice So.

1711
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 1: A little background check, rich people.

1712
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:49,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you a good guy, can you write a horse?

1713
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 2: Are you an arms dealer?

1714
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 1: These things should disqualify you.

1715
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 2: So then this is all building, right, So they're like

1716
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:00,639
Speaker 2: slightly losing control. It's like, oh no, no, oh, focus

1717
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 2: on my cosmic daughter or whatever. Then in February of

1718
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:07,679
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three, it's the fifty four day Siege of Waco.

1719
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 2: Oh shit, right, So on all of our TVs we

1720
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:16,759
Speaker 2: all saw the branch, Davidians and David Koresh and everything.

1721
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 2: We saw that whole thing go up in flames.

1722
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 1: Is that gonna be a podcast soon or a TV show?

1723
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 1: I think it's a TV show, a documentary.

1724
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 2: I think it's one of those American crimes or something

1725
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:29,600
Speaker 2: right experience.

1726
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 1: I want to Oh, that'd be fun.

1727
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 2: Just the longest American dad of all time. He works

1728
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:47,440
Speaker 2: for the CIA. So okay, So after that happens and everybody.

1729
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 1: Watched it on TV, everyone's like, oh, no more cults

1730
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 1: for me, exactly. I think I've had enough. Is the

1731
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 1: funniest thing in the world to me.

1732
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 2: Where they're like, oh, this is where we're headed. We're

1733
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 2: not actually headed to a planet next to the Star series.

1734
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 2: We're just going to burn government style, right, Fuck the government.

1735
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:09,559
Speaker 1: Listen, it's the government, okay, so please don't hurt me. Government.

1736
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 2: That won't work, so cheilate. This is my favorite part.

1737
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 2: So as all of this is right, it's crumbling. It's

1738
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 2: crumbling our millions. You know, people are walking away our secrets.

1739
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:22,959
Speaker 2: And they really did have They had millionaires, they had scientists,

1740
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 2: they had famous architects. There was people in this cult,

1741
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 2: very high level people, a very famous Swiss composer.

1742
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 1: So it was like a bunch of smarty pants.

1743
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:32,680
Speaker 2: Smarty pants and richies and.

1744
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 1: Place smart and richie fucking asshole.

1745
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 2: I mean, the whole place smelled like fucking after shade.

1746
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:43,839
Speaker 2: So what I am me saying? So okay, Then they discover

1747
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 2: so our friend Tony Dutoi d'utois I don't remember how

1748
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:51,719
Speaker 2: I pronounced it, the man who has found stab fifty

1749
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:55,800
Speaker 2: times in the apartment in Canada and baby and.

1750
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 1: His wife and baby.

1751
01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 2: Okay, So it turns out he was a long time

1752
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 2: member of the Order of the Solar Temple and he

1753
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 2: discovered so they would have these rights and rituals. And

1754
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 2: when Joe Demambro did them, he could make things fly.

1755
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 2: He could make things like appear out of nowhere, there's

1756
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 2: all these weird things he did that made people believe

1757
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:21,600
Speaker 2: that he was special and had special powers. Well, it

1758
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:26,559
Speaker 2: turns out Tony d'utois discovers that he was using lasers

1759
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 2: and holograms.

1760
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 1: No, and he was back in ninety I'm impressed by that.

1761
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 1: In ninety four, yeah, even earlier.

1762
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he basically set it up so the whole thing

1763
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 2: was like special effects and fog and light show or whatever,

1764
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 2: and made people believe it was his power and he

1765
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 2: was spending he was spending their money, a ton of money,

1766
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 2: because you know, a hologram back then was very expensive.

1767
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:51,839
Speaker 1: Basically like a coach ella fucking dj sett.

1768
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but just him and twelve people in robes. So

1769
01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 2: Tony finds out about this and starts going, you guys,

1770
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 2: this is super fake.

1771
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:03,839
Speaker 1: We this is the whole.

1772
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 2: Thing is a fraud to the point where and so

1773
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 2: much like distrust and uh, disillusion was going through the

1774
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 2: whole cult, down to Joe Demambro's own children, who were like,

1775
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 2: my dad's a fraud, Like everybody.

1776
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,759
Speaker 1: Was starting up bad space cadet. My dad is lying.

1777
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:25,599
Speaker 2: I can't lead you to that planet now, but that's

1778
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 2: my favorite that it was like the the straw that

1779
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 2: broke the camel's back was that his holograms and lasers

1780
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:35,679
Speaker 2: were discovered. So then everyone's just bailing like crazy, Okay,

1781
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:42,760
Speaker 2: so then uh he so basically Tony tells everybody and

1782
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:46,520
Speaker 2: then like gets out of town. So Joe Dimambro announced

1783
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 2: to the remaining members that the Distois three month old

1784
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:53,760
Speaker 2: son was the Antichrist and needed to be assassinated. Yes,

1785
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 2: that's so. So the two bodies that were in that

1786
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:01,160
Speaker 2: condo from the beginning of the story turned out to

1787
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 2: be thirty five year old Jerry Jeneau and sixty sixty

1788
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 2: year old Collette Genet. They murdered the Dutoise, murdered that baby,

1789
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 2: and then committed suicide and lit that apartment on fire

1790
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 2: with the scendiary device that was like all.

1791
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:22,599
Speaker 1: The incendiary devices in Switzerland. Yes, so what awful awful

1792
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:24,480
Speaker 1: people so crazy.

1793
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 2: And then like once they knew that was happening, they

1794
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:30,880
Speaker 2: know it's over. So they announced to the rest of

1795
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 2: the membership that the apocalypse has arrived and it's time

1796
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 2: for all of them to travel to the planet next.

1797
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 1: To the star Serius. Let's go.

1798
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:46,599
Speaker 2: So it's mass suicide time. And because they were saying

1799
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 2: the transformation takes place in fire. That's why all those

1800
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 2: incendiary device that's where all the buildings were burning.

1801
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 1: So what were the incendiary devices made of? Do you know?

1802
01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 2: I don't. In my mind, it looks like a light

1803
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:00,799
Speaker 2: switch with the place off the front.

1804
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like there's a little thing tied to this

1805
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 1: thing and a little and.

1806
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 2: Then a mouse choose the road. Yes, right, and then boom.

1807
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:12,639
Speaker 1: Yeah the mouse survives. That's right.

1808
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 2: Mouse is fine, The mouse is innocent. And then a

1809
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 2: cat swoops down and.

1810
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:20,799
Speaker 1: Eats the mouse. Yay. So it was at that.

1811
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 2: Farmhouse from the beginning in Siri where Joe Demombro and

1812
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:27,720
Speaker 2: Luke Gera met there and along.

1813
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 1: With twenty one other member so they were okay, they

1814
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 1: were in Siri then okay.

1815
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:36,759
Speaker 2: So that was basically the reason that it's so amazing

1816
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 2: to me is because I remember very distinctly when I

1817
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 2: saw it on the news. They were so vague and

1818
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 2: it's still you can barely get any good information I

1819
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 2: ever heard of this what was really happening. But I

1820
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:48,240
Speaker 2: remember seeing it on the news and being like, I

1821
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 2: want to know more, and all you ever heard was so.

1822
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 2: Then again in nineteen ninety five, in Grenoble. They find

1823
01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 2: sixteen bodies out in the forest. What uh huh? They

1824
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:07,599
Speaker 2: in an area they called Hell's Hell's Entrance or Hell's

1825
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:10,559
Speaker 2: whole or something, which is super creepy. And the creep

1826
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,200
Speaker 2: that you can see a picture online. It's a forest,

1827
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 2: there's police tape. It looks like it's from like a helicopter.

1828
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 2: There's police tape, and then it just looks like there's

1829
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:21,799
Speaker 2: a weird orange light. It's super creepy.

1830
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 1: I I fucking google weird murders, weird deaths, weird what

1831
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 1: the fuck you know all the time, and I've never

1832
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 1: heard of this.

1833
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:32,839
Speaker 2: Fold some nights, templar in there, fold in cult, okay,

1834
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 2: fold in. Well, so in that forest there were sixteen

1835
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:39,559
Speaker 2: bodies and this is a year later. Then two years

1836
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:43,679
Speaker 2: after that, in Quebec, in March of ninety seven, five

1837
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:47,559
Speaker 2: people are found dead and at the last minute, three

1838
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:51,759
Speaker 2: children who were supposed to also die, convince their parents

1839
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 2: who ended up dead, convinced their parents that they wanted

1840
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:57,639
Speaker 2: to live, and their parents let them go. So three

1841
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 2: kids escaped.

1842
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:06,120
Speaker 1: Them. Right, what's they're still killing themselves even though it's over.

1843
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:11,960
Speaker 2: Yes, two years later by who like why so crazy?

1844
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 2: Or three years later, so the total number deaths in

1845
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:18,040
Speaker 2: the order of the Solar Temple is seventy four. Jesus

1846
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 2: and their members included scientists, architects, policemen and children, and

1847
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:26,919
Speaker 2: the group had between four and six hundred members.

1848
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:30,439
Speaker 1: It's estimated to have made in its.

1849
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:37,080
Speaker 2: Prime ninety three million dollars. And in the Grenoble scene

1850
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:40,799
Speaker 2: where in nineteen ninety five where they found sixteen bodies,

1851
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 2: the wife of famous champion skier Jean Varney, who was

1852
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 2: the inventor of the awesome eighties sunglasses. His wife, Edith,

1853
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 2: and their youngest son Patrick were among the sixteen victims.

1854
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 2: So they couldn't have been richer those people they had

1855
01:33:56,280 --> 01:34:00,360
Speaker 2: Varney in the eighties was like, you couldn't be richer with.

1856
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:03,160
Speaker 1: The swoopy thing here. It's a weird thing here.

1857
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:04,799
Speaker 2: And no Varnays were like the kind of the original

1858
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 2: ski sunglasses, so they were mirrored and they were like

1859
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 2: kind of plastic.

1860
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:12,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, every douche fucking skier, yeap instructor has this.

1861
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:15,920
Speaker 2: Rich guys, we went skiing the first time we went

1862
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 2: to Tahoe when I was eight.

1863
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:18,320
Speaker 1: They made us take ski.

1864
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:21,240
Speaker 2: Lessons and my sister had a pair of Varnais on

1865
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:24,640
Speaker 2: and I, instead of listening to the ski instructor, just

1866
01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 2: kept staring at myself in the mirrored reflection of my

1867
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:27,960
Speaker 2: sister's sunglasses.

1868
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:30,120
Speaker 1: So I didn't listen to how to stop or what

1869
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:30,559
Speaker 1: to do.

1870
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:34,160
Speaker 2: And so basically we went down one run and I

1871
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 2: was like, I need to take these off.

1872
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 1: I'm leaving.

1873
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:38,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not doing this. I don't know what's now.

1874
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:41,400
Speaker 2: And then we just played in the snow all day exactly.

1875
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:47,840
Speaker 2: Here's a more interesting one. Channel four, the British TV station,

1876
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:51,640
Speaker 2: They made a documentary alleging that Grace Kelly, the Princess

1877
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:55,040
Speaker 2: of Monica, was also initiated into the Order of the

1878
01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:58,559
Speaker 2: Solar Temple just months before her car accident that took

1879
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 2: her life. Yeah, she was in a car. Some say

1880
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:03,519
Speaker 2: she was not in that car. Some say the body

1881
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:08,640
Speaker 2: was never found. But her estate denies any association with

1882
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:11,599
Speaker 2: the Order of the Solar Temple. But the filmmakers who

1883
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 2: made this documentary for Channel four talked to the acupuncturists

1884
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:19,599
Speaker 2: who worked on Princess Grace before her orientation or not

1885
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:25,840
Speaker 2: orientation initiation ceremony, and because apparently they did acupuncture to

1886
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:28,360
Speaker 2: relax people, so that they weren't like freaked out, I guess,

1887
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:32,400
Speaker 2: And that woman attested to the fact that it was

1888
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 2: Princess Grace, but didn't want to give her name or

1889
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:38,680
Speaker 2: information because she's scared because she says that the Order

1890
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:42,559
Speaker 2: of the Solar Temple is still in effect today, still

1891
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:47,760
Speaker 2: has members, and she's scared of those members coming to retaliating.

1892
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 1: Against triding out and plan site.

1893
01:35:50,479 --> 01:35:53,640
Speaker 2: And so the very last thing is when Princess Grace's

1894
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 2: car crashed in Monaco, her car landed in the yard

1895
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:02,160
Speaker 2: of a member of the Order of the Solar Temple.

1896
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:06,160
Speaker 1: Been.

1897
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was good. That was a good one, right,

1898
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:10,679
Speaker 2: that was a really good one.

1899
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:14,640
Speaker 1: Shit, dude, I know, I want to know everything. I

1900
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:16,679
Speaker 1: want to know what these people talked about.

1901
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 2: There's photos are their pictures, Yes, there's pictures of uh

1902
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:23,639
Speaker 2: and it's all the faces are blacked out. There's black

1903
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:27,200
Speaker 2: bars across the eyes of like an actual ritual. But

1904
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 2: then there's the empty room where they found the bodies

1905
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 2: they I know, the ones I saw. It was just

1906
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:34,599
Speaker 2: the room without the bodies lying in it. But then

1907
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:37,720
Speaker 2: you can also see there's like graphs of how they

1908
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:41,960
Speaker 2: laid out the bodies in star formation. Yes, and I

1909
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:44,680
Speaker 2: think the one the people that killed themselves last in

1910
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:47,200
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven in Canada were laid out in a

1911
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:48,400
Speaker 2: crucifix forma.

1912
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:53,800
Speaker 1: So the people who who unintentional suicide, those people did

1913
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 1: they did they ever figure out if they like were

1914
01:36:57,120 --> 01:37:00,680
Speaker 1: just like kill me or they were like helle or

1915
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 1: because like I could see people like I don't want

1916
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:03,920
Speaker 1: to kill myself, but just shoot me in the back

1917
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:04,320
Speaker 1: of the head.

1918
01:37:04,479 --> 01:37:06,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think what they were saying is that theory

1919
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:09,400
Speaker 2: is that it wasn't they were like, I don't want

1920
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 2: to do this. They went there for other reasons. Some

1921
01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:16,639
Speaker 2: of them think they were drugged or poisoned. But then

1922
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:18,600
Speaker 2: it was then they fought them because there was so

1923
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 2: much blood that it wasn't just like putting people down

1924
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 2: in an orderly fashion. There was like it was a

1925
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:27,240
Speaker 2: real bloody crime scene. So they think it was that's

1926
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:29,799
Speaker 2: what led them to believe it was the against against

1927
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:35,400
Speaker 2: your will suicide. That's crazy, fucking nuts man live m HM,

1928
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:44,160
Speaker 2: Secret cults, Secret, Where is the treasure? There's treasure trasure?

1929
01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:47,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the Knights templar they put supposedly that's like

1930
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:49,760
Speaker 2: nick cage style there.

1931
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:50,840
Speaker 1: They supposedly, how.

1932
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 2: Is that what that is, yeah, because they went and

1933
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:55,200
Speaker 2: pillaged everything down in like the Holy Land.

1934
01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 1: They stole all the ship, they stole the ship and

1935
01:37:57,040 --> 01:38:00,840
Speaker 1: the fucking Jewish people's that's right, that's right, chosen ones.

1936
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 1: So it's your it's your birthright. Mm hmm.

1937
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 2: To go and find that those gold balloons and take

1938
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:08,599
Speaker 2: them back.

1939
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 1: Let's do it. I would love to. Let's go on

1940
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:18,040
Speaker 1: an adventure. Okay, okay, goodbye. That was amazing, Thank you,

1941
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:26,840
Speaker 1: thank you for that. Absolutely love a cult. Okay, we're back, Karen.

1942
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:29,080
Speaker 2: Any updates, Well, the first update is I just want

1943
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:31,679
Speaker 2: to say I hated that story. Yeah, like I remember

1944
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:34,440
Speaker 2: when we were talking about it and so it's so

1945
01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:37,439
Speaker 2: so dark. I mean obviously always, but for some reason

1946
01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 2: there was the details of this story were I was

1947
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:43,800
Speaker 2: anticipating much more of like, oh, of interest, like isn't

1948
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:44,960
Speaker 2: it weird how cults are?

1949
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 1: And then it was just like this, this is a

1950
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:49,439
Speaker 1: great example of my story. Going second would have fucking

1951
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:54,800
Speaker 1: made the episode, and exactly on a fucking high note.

1952
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:57,000
Speaker 2: Yes, we were just we were like, oh, well this

1953
01:38:57,040 --> 01:38:59,600
Speaker 2: is if you went last time, last time, this is like, yeah, this.

1954
01:38:59,640 --> 01:39:02,639
Speaker 1: Is perfect example. Well do you have any updates? Actually,

1955
01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:03,360
Speaker 1: just one.

1956
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:06,800
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty four, the British channel BBC four aired

1957
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:10,639
Speaker 2: a four part docuseries that was actually originally a French

1958
01:39:11,080 --> 01:39:15,200
Speaker 2: docuseries from twenty twenty two, and the translated title was

1959
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:19,760
Speaker 2: Serious and Apocalyptic Order. It included interviews with journalists who

1960
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:22,879
Speaker 2: covered the cult, as well as a handful of former members.

1961
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:25,680
Speaker 2: It didn't break much new ground, but it is out

1962
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:26,840
Speaker 2: there if you want to watch it.

1963
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 1: All right, well, great job, let's get into good things

1964
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:39,760
Speaker 1: of the week. Well, when we come to the end,

1965
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:40,800
Speaker 1: my friends.

1966
01:39:40,439 --> 01:39:42,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what's a do you have a fun thing

1967
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:42,559
Speaker 2: for this week?

1968
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:45,320
Speaker 1: A thing that made me happy? Yeah? Now do you?

1969
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:46,840
Speaker 2: Well?

1970
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:49,200
Speaker 1: I do? Actually, okay, great, maybe it'll inspire me.

1971
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 2: Okay, good. But this is a it's a repeat of

1972
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:54,000
Speaker 2: what I've done before, but it's a kind of an update.

1973
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:57,439
Speaker 2: And it's very exciting because my favorite band, and now

1974
01:39:57,560 --> 01:40:00,519
Speaker 2: many other people's favorite band, Sure Shore I, finally came

1975
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:03,800
Speaker 2: out with an album. It's self titled. It says Sure Sure.

1976
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:05,320
Speaker 2: You can get it on Spotify, you can get it

1977
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:08,960
Speaker 2: on iTunes, and it is so goddamn good. It's all

1978
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 2: the like single releases that they had before, and then

1979
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:14,640
Speaker 2: a bunch of new songs I've never heard before that

1980
01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:18,679
Speaker 2: are so beautiful and it's just great. I just got

1981
01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:20,800
Speaker 2: it and I love it so well.

1982
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 1: If we're gonna do this will be the music perfect thing.

1983
01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:29,760
Speaker 1: Vince got us ticket. So Vince surprised me with tickets

1984
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:33,080
Speaker 1: to go see the band Jawbreaker, nice, which I'm like,

1985
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:36,040
Speaker 1: super excited to go see them. I've never I've never

1986
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 1: seen them play. I've been in love with them forever.

1987
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:43,040
Speaker 1: Great old band. Everyone go listen. But it's also I

1988
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:45,200
Speaker 1: love that Vince does shit like that and it's really

1989
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:48,120
Speaker 1: sweet and like I would never go see music or

1990
01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:51,000
Speaker 1: anything live, but Vince is like into that shit. Yeah,

1991
01:40:51,040 --> 01:40:52,920
Speaker 1: So like he does it and then I'm like, why

1992
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 1: didn't I do this more? And I know, yeah, So

1993
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:56,920
Speaker 1: it's nice to tell.

1994
01:40:57,000 --> 01:41:00,240
Speaker 2: You have friends like me that are like I'm tell her, well,

1995
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:01,800
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not going to go that night.

1996
01:41:02,240 --> 01:41:04,280
Speaker 1: Like that night, I'm going to be sick like I

1997
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:06,120
Speaker 1: am every night. But it's sweet that he did it.

1998
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:08,240
Speaker 1: It's so good. Oh wait, so it's future. You haven't

1999
01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:09,840
Speaker 1: done it yet. Yeah, I'm done yet. He just bought

2000
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:12,880
Speaker 1: tickets to go see job Breaker. That's awesome. I'm you know,

2001
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 1: twenty something year old Georgia's like you put it on

2002
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:24,840
Speaker 1: the radio today and I got really excited. Yes, that's exciting. Yeah, okay,

2003
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,280
Speaker 1: we're back. We did go see jow Breaker and it

2004
01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:27,960
Speaker 1: was incredible.

2005
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:30,320
Speaker 2: I Brad, now that I know the drummer, you know that.

2006
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:32,599
Speaker 1: That's right. He's from the Bay They're from the Bay area, right,

2007
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:32,840
Speaker 1: you know.

2008
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:36,320
Speaker 2: Cool. I feel like Jawbreaker is just the coolest band.

2009
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 2: Oh my god, everybody loves them.

2010
01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:40,120
Speaker 1: They're just so cool.

2011
01:41:40,200 --> 01:41:44,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're musicians, musicians totally individually, very cool people.

2012
01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:47,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, the show was incredible. There's the great life.

2013
01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:52,080
Speaker 2: Okay, So originally we entitled this episode Garden Party, but

2014
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:54,080
Speaker 2: if we are naming it today, there's so many other.

2015
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:58,920
Speaker 1: Choices we could have pulled, from truly vin to DNA helly. Yeah,

2016
01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:00,680
Speaker 1: that's a good one. I can't try. My neck was

2017
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:05,599
Speaker 1: pretty good. My favorite staff infection. This one is good

2018
01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:07,559
Speaker 1: to you. When Karen's a little not.

2019
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:10,640
Speaker 2: Right, Gail being very polite and saying I was a

2020
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 2: little not right, a little not right.

2021
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:15,639
Speaker 1: Still, the shame burns ten years later, get rid of it.

2022
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:16,479
Speaker 1: It's weighing you down.

2023
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:18,559
Speaker 2: Today's the day I purge this shame.

2024
01:42:19,439 --> 01:42:24,439
Speaker 1: And then the mouse is innocent. Yeah, always. Well that's

2025
01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:28,240
Speaker 1: this week's episode of rewind. Let's say goodbye from twenty eighteen.

2026
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:35,000
Speaker 2: All right, thanks for listening to you, guys, guys, thanks

2027
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:37,360
Speaker 2: for once again going through that with us.

2028
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 1: We have had it up to here with not going

2029
01:42:42,040 --> 01:42:44,760
Speaker 1: through this with you because we love it so much.

2030
01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:48,320
Speaker 2: It's very fun. It's a very fun job. And on

2031
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:52,479
Speaker 2: our two year anniversary, thank you honey so much, Thank

2032
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:53,040
Speaker 2: you so much.

2033
01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:55,719
Speaker 1: We're fucking lucky. This is the best ever.

2034
01:42:55,880 --> 01:42:59,360
Speaker 2: It's crazy, lucky, wonderful. Yeah, thanks everybody.

2035
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:03,520
Speaker 1: Thanks Steven, Thanks Steven, Well, thank you more in six months. Yeah,

2036
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:06,080
Speaker 1: when you've earned it, when you've earned it, when you've

2037
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:09,640
Speaker 1: fucking been through the ship like we have the real ship.

2038
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 2: When you finally fucked the government the way we need

2039
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:12,200
Speaker 2: you to.

2040
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:14,479
Speaker 1: Elvis knows he's been here from the beginning.

2041
01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:16,320
Speaker 2: He was he was here before us.

2042
01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:18,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'll be here after us.

2043
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:20,439
Speaker 2: He will remain after we have gone.

2044
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:22,960
Speaker 1: Yep, is go it? That's it all right? Well, then

2045
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:24,879
Speaker 1: stay sucky and don't get murdered.

2046
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:33,960
Speaker 2: Bye, elvisie. Yeah, yeah,