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Speaker 1: invest start changing it with the Beck del Cast. Hi, everyone,

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Speaker 1: Caitlin here. You are about to hear a live episode

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Speaker 1: that we recorded in New York. But we just wanted

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Speaker 1: to do a few quick plugs at the top of

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Speaker 1: the show. First of all, if you're listening to this

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Speaker 1: in early January, Happy New Year. If you're listening to

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Speaker 1: this in like, I don't know, seven, then there's probably

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Speaker 1: a terminator who's trying to kill you right now, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Also, where's our episode on terminator or terminator too?

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Speaker 1: Because Sarah Connor feminist icon. Anyway, don't forget that we

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Speaker 1: January twelve at nine pm at the Ruby. We are

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Speaker 1: covering romy and Michelle's high school reunion with past guests

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Speaker 1: of the show Danielle Perez. So grab your tickets to

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Speaker 1: that on bachtelcast dot com and click on the live

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Speaker 1: appearances tab um. Also, at the time of this recording,

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Speaker 1: I another reminder that I personally am running a couple

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Speaker 1: of intro to screenwriting workshops, one in Portland, Oregon, on

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Speaker 1: master's degree in screenwriting from Boston University, but I hate

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Speaker 1: bunch about screenwriting, then register for my workshop, which you

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Speaker 1: can do if you go to Caitlin Dronte dot com

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Speaker 1: and click on the show's tab. Oh okay, that should

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Speaker 1: do it for now, so enjoy the show cast. Hi everyone, Hi,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bechtel Cast. Yeah, there's so many feet.

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Speaker 1: This is exciting. We're in New York City. I ever

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Speaker 1: heard of it? Oh my god, very overwhelming. I was

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Speaker 1: nine years and then I yeah, all right, well, welcome

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Speaker 1: so many vertical people. My name is Jamie Loftus, my

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Speaker 1: name is Caitlin Drante. And we talked about the portrayal

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Speaker 1: This is our last date in our East Coast tour. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Bechtel Cast before and like, no judgment, but clap if

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Speaker 1: you haven't, Hey, honestly brave. Thanks for coming with your friends. Brave. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: imagine not listening to a podcast. Unbelievable. No, that's fine.

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Speaker 1: So we will uh sort of break down how how

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Speaker 1: and we use the Bechdel Test as a jumping off

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Speaker 1: Kay and break it down for us. It requires that

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Speaker 1: their conversation cannot be about men. But guess what. Most

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Speaker 1: movies don't pass. But today's movie. You're not supposed to

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Speaker 1: many loose sense because they're like, oh, I guess we

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00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: never wrote that scene where she tells her she's a princess.

419
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: They're like, just like, just also, wait, so there's the

420
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: neighbor character who's the Mr. This I passed it every

421
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: wound twice because she couldn't have just said thank you,

422
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: Mr robot Us. Absolutely no way on earth that they

423
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: named this character Mr. Robots And yet here and every

424
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: line out of his mouth is the funniest thing I've

425
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: ever He's great, he's funny. But he also sits outside

426
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: in a robe talking to teenagers. So that's funny. Because

427
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: we were watching her last night, Caleb was like, so me, like,

428
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: that's who I really related to him. Um, all right,

429
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: we have to get through the rest of this recap

430
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: really fast. Okay. So so then the word gets out

431
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: that she's a princess because Paulo Putinesca leaked it, and

432
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 1: now she has all the attentions, and now the Josh

433
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,959
Speaker 1: boy who she likes, asks her out to the beach party,

434
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 1: and then she's like, yeah, I'll go, even though she's

435
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: already committed to going to Michael's watch Michael's band practice. Yeah,

436
00:27:55,560 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: and like Lily pre web series web series, yeah, a

437
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: web series. Yeah, So she ditches both of them, and

438
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: then she realizes that Josh is a bad guy after all,

439
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 1: and then Lana and all after a very wicky feet

440
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: scene with the two of them where he's like, yeah,

441
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: he's like you want to rub my foot? She's like

442
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: you want to rub my foot? He's like, no, rub

443
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: my selfish love. That's the whole scene is sucked up

444
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: where she gets naked and then like Lana manny Moore's

445
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: character like pulls the tent out for the tabloids to

446
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: see her. I'm like, that is a soft it's sucked up.

447
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: And then afterwards, like she goes to like her grandma,

448
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: and her grandma's like, well, why are you such a slut?

449
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: And like she's like yeah, grandma. And that's when you

450
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: find out how like tight her and Joe are because

451
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: then Joe is like, I really don't think you should

452
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: have called your granddaughter a slut, and she's like, I'm

453
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: the queen, but luckily we are fucking so I like

454
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: she doesn't do him. Yeah. Meanwhile, like she's getting better

455
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: at being a princess. She and her grandma are like

456
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: bonding and then and it's like down to the wire

457
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: where she has to decide am I going to be

458
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: a princess? And then after like all the bad press

459
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: from Beach Night, she's like, I can't can't do it,

460
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: Mandy Moore. She's just been shown naked on you know

461
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: what was the TMC at the time, Tiger beat on something.

462
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, I gets her. She's like, I can't do

463
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: all this. But then she reads a letter from daddy

464
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: which is likesy. She's like, oh, I guess I should

465
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: be a princess exactly, and her like not doing it

466
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: like her like that's the normal, right thing, like where

467
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: she's like, I don't know. I feel like now that

468
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: I'm fifteen and people are like sort of like sexually

469
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: chasing me in the public eye, I should like not

470
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: do this. And then everybody's like have you no morals?

471
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: And then she talks to her grandma right after the

472
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: letter from the dad, and her grandma's like, your father

473
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: abandoning you was the hardest decision he ever made, selfish cunt,

474
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: And she's like, she's like, do you want to know

475
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: why your dad did it? For his country and because

476
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: of his duty to his country. And then it's like, um,

477
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: it was the money. It was the money. And then

478
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: Anne Hathaway responds not by saying that doesn't sound right.

479
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: She says to Julie Andrews, do you want a corn dog? Yes?

480
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: Julie Andrews says yes, I sure, because people in Genova

481
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: are just British. Where's the footage of Julie Andrews deep

482
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: threading that corn dog? Where is it at? Okay, So

483
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: now we're at the ball at the end and hath

484
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: Away shows up and she's like, I will be princess

485
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: after all, and everyone's like cool, very last man because

486
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: she gets caught in the rain because her car sucks

487
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: super pays off. She's like, I mean that was I

488
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: guess the whole point of the car plot you're read.

489
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: I just kind of put that together where they're okay,

490
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: so we're gonna do this whole thing where she's like

491
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 1: obsessed with this car that keeps breaking down. Then at

492
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: the end it will break down and someone's like perfect.

493
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: But there's also a super expensive looking trolley accident that

494
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: scared me from getting a driver. Literally right now, I

495
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: still don't have one. It's so scary. Movies have effect

496
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: movies there. Yeah, and she's like fifteen. Remember they even

497
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: have her break the law. She drives on her own

498
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: and she's like, is this guys, I'm not driving with

499
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: a license driver. And at the time, I was like

500
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: twelve being like, yeah, bad morals this movie. They're like

501
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: give up your life because the mom is like, I

502
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: didn't want to tell you were a princess because like

503
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: these institutions are patriarch like. She doesn't say that, but

504
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: she's basically like, I would be totally controlled by your

505
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 1: father and I didn't want that. And like I remember

506
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: when I was twelve being like, what a selfish bit. Yeah, okay,

507
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: so that's pretty much the story. She's like, yeah, I'm

508
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: a princess. No, and she speech she drops on a

509
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: high school for real, I know that's what happens. At

510
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: the end, she's like because that's the whole deal, the

511
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: whole time. And she's like because remember when she first

512
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: meets Julie Andrew's character, she's like, okay, so like blah

513
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: blah blah, A long story short, you're a princess. You

514
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: have to move to Genovia And she's like, I also

515
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: like should they say? She says like, I have tutors,

516
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: but it's like you're gonna have a g e d

517
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: like you're gonna like not a real gonna be Lindsay

518
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: Lohan and Micano. It's like you are not off for

519
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: a good path. Yeah, just tell a fifteen year old like,

520
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: your life is set. We are obviously rich. I will

521
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: drive you to school in a limo. You can bring

522
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: your cat, but not your mother. Yeah, you can bring

523
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: your cat, absolutely, but your mom is like kind of

524
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: a hippie freak. So the answer is no. No sleds

525
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: in Genovia. I just remember too, like their place, like

526
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: they're loft. You're like, does the mom pay that on

527
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: her artists, on her balloon art? I don't know. Although

528
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: the balloon scene another scene that Caitlin correctly argues does

529
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: not need to be there. However, I another great scene

530
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: and where I wanted to do that with I want.

531
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: I was like, man, having a fun mom seems great,

532
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: but it's also implying that fun moms are rich and

533
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: that bad artists are rich, and which is neither is true.

534
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: I can afford San Francisco. Like, that's like a billion

535
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: square foot apart I mean that is a million dollar apartment.

536
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: Like that's crazy with a fire poll your BEDROOMA keeps

537
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: hiding in her various rooms from her privilege, which is wild.

538
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: And on that note, I think we should maybe take

539
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: a bit of a break. I tend to agree, all right,

540
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: So what do we want to jump in with the discussion.

541
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. Well, okay, so this movie

542
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: has a ton of women in it. Sandra, Oh is

543
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: in this movie? This as the principal Sandra, yeah, very yeah,

544
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Put some cone on Manny Moore's like

545
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: cheerleader uniforms. I'm sorry. I'd like to make note that

546
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: someone noticed I was running low. Thank you. Jamie got

547
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: a fresh drink for the listeners at home. Because in

548
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: New York you don't have to drive, so and I

549
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: don't drive even in l A. Yeah, it's good for

550
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: you because of this movie that traumatizes you with that accident.

551
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. They kind of make it seem like being

552
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: hit by a trolley is like nb D Like she

553
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: like she talks to the cop and she's like, it's

554
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: totally no problem if you give me a ticket. But

555
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: I'm about to night you. And he's like, I guess

556
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: I won't give you a ticket. A cool hack for

557
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: all of us, really, I should do. Yeah, one's ever

558
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: heard of Genovia in San Francisco. But so you can

559
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: just be like, hey, I'm actually a queen and you're

560
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: you're awesome, and then you can just get out of

561
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: And if the cop is like, I know that's from

562
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: the movie Princess Diaries, I'd be like, oh my god,

563
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: that's for you. Also, do you want to date me?

564
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: There are a lot of women. There's some ton of women.

565
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: No father figures really well, not a strong dead father figure,

566
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: which they talk about all the time. They're obsessed with Philip.

567
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: When I wrote down his full name, Philippe Lenaldies, and

568
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 1: they do like a French accent and some a Greek

569
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: accent and part of the name like it's worth it's

570
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: worth mentioning in the books he is alive, her father

571
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: is alive, and the grandma is way meaner. But yeah,

572
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: they make kind of a reverse Disney move in the

573
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: case of this movie and kill the dad because that's

574
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: not what happens in the book and the grandfather and

575
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: they killed it. Okay, So this is something that hit

576
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: for me. I've seen this movie honestly, probably a hundred times,

577
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: and the first time I noticed they mentioned how recently

578
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: both the father and the grandfather have passed away and

579
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: kind of her like, but it's not a big piece,

580
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And they don't really say how he died.

581
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: But there's one part in the movie where they grandma

582
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: just goes and that terrible accidents, but she just she's like,

583
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: she's my closest family members recently die, my son, I know,

584
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: my son and my husband. Like they say that her

585
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: husband died less than a year ago. We really and

586
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: she's already with the driver like they were. That's a

587
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: Joe chill out there when he imagined, like your husband

588
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: of a thousand years died like six months ago, and

589
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, your bodyguard is like corners

590
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: and was like you've been wearing black for too long.

591
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: I know, Oh my god, I forgot about That Actually

592
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: makes sense to me, because like if you've been married

593
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: for a long time and like you're like royalty, like

594
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: you're not fucking, and like, you know, like he was

595
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: always I feel like they were already fucking. But if

596
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: they weren't true, we don't know. If they weren't, then

597
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: he was just like finally, like your husband, who you're

598
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: not sucking, is dead, So can we just get on

599
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: with this, and then her son dies and he's like, well,

600
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: this is a road bump, you know. I mean, like

601
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: everyone deals with grief differently, but Julie Andrews deals with

602
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 1: losing arguably probably the two biggest people in her life

603
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: by calling her granddaughter ugly. Yes, that's talking her granddaughter ugly, sledge,

604
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: shaming her for going to the beach almost giving brink

605
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: of foot, Yes, can we talk about them? The makeover scene. Yes,

606
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: So this, like many movies, there's a woman who's not

607
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 1: conventionally attractive enough, even though she's played by an actress

608
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: who was conventionally attractive, and they're like, we gotta make

609
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: you hot for reasons, and then and then the makeover happens.

610
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: And in this movie, I feel like there's a slight

611
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: subversion because then her friend Lily is like, you're destroying

612
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: someone is supposed to be the bad guy in that scene.

613
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: She's supposed to be, because then like the brother is like, no,

614
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: you're hot, because like Lily's like, you're only here because

615
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: we can't fuck. Yeah, she should have said that to

616
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: him in that scene. And then we're supposed to be

617
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: mad at Lily because then Mia wears a hideous felt

618
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: hat to school horrible. The one thing that actually made

619
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: Anne Hathway look kind of ugly in the whole movie

620
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 1: was that they felt hat, but she continues to wear

621
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: it's just a hat. But then like the guy her

622
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: speech teacher who her mom is fucking, which is also

623
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: from the book but has no bearing on the movie,

624
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: they throw it in just to be like, by the way,

625
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: we're sucking, but we didn't write it any sex positive movie.

626
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: I think, well, but I also think this movie goes

627
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: out of its way to make sure you know any

628
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: woman who single at any point in this movie is

629
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: a heterosexual woman. Like it goes out of its way

630
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: to tell you, because otherwise, why say that the mom's

631
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: having sex with anyone? Every scene the mom is talking

632
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: about who she's fucking, who she sucked in the seventies,

633
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: her dad, because I was looking for, like just the

634
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: Bechtel aspect. And then it's like every time the mom

635
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: walks in, she's like, your mom is getting in it.

636
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: She's like, mom, my teacher, mom my dad in the seventies,

637
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: mom a different man in the seventies, and her mom's like,

638
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: let's dark, yeah, what are you fifteen? So in that scene.

639
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 1: So Lily's all like, oh, you used to care more

640
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: about like what was in your head than what was

641
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: on it, And you can kind of get behind what

642
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: she's saying, but also she is judging a woman for

643
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: how she looks, and it's just a blowout. I mean

644
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: seriously used to care of. I mean like, I've gotten

645
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 1: my hair straightened four times in my life. It took

646
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: seven hours, and every time I do it, like some

647
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: of my closest friends would just walk right past and

648
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: they don't even recognize me as a curly haired person

649
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: who's not trying to straighten their hair every day. It's like,

650
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: just let her have a day of silky smoothness. You know,

651
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: I did it in high school. I did it for

652
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: two hours every morning in high school and straightened my hair.

653
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: And still people from high school are like, oh, you used,

654
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: Why did you do that anymore? Like James James, mgboy,

655
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: you villain dude, what are you doing? Yeah. Also, it's

656
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: like that's the untouched colonial aspect. It's like Genovia obviously

657
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: has some race issues they need to deal with. There

658
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: is like in there, like little gathering they have, like

659
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: the dinner that she like accellently, like knocked over the table.

660
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: They have like this like Asian woman playing the loo,

661
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 1: and there's like all this stuff where you're like, okay,

662
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 1: you're clearly like very into this eighteen hundreds like British

663
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: colonial look. And then they straightened her hair. That's sucked

664
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: up because I remember being like, I'll only be beautiful

665
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: until I have straight hair. And then I got older

666
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: and people were like, I want curly hair, and I'm like, well,

667
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: which is it? People. Yeah, there's also some weird like

668
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 1: queer phobia moment. Whenever Joe was like, here are your

669
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: pumps that I bought, and whenever I bought them, the

670
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: guy was like do you want these wrapped? Or do

671
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: you want to wear them? And he's like, San Francisco

672
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: such a weird place. Yeah, there's a lot of negging

673
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: of San Francisco as like a gay place right right,

674
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: which is so dumb because I'm like, this movie clearly

675
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: went way out of its way to take place in

676
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: San Francisco. I would have been way easier to have

677
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: it literally anywhere else. It's so Hollywood at that time.

678
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: It shows you how like nothing's changed about like the

679
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: bros who are in charge because you know, there's just

680
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: like twenty like all like dudes like in charge, like

681
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, let's make a movie in San Francisco.

682
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: But let's like acknowledge like how like gay it is.

683
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: It's like good for you, dude. Yeah, I feel like

684
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: it's because that like driving scene, the various driving scenes

685
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: and accidents needed to happen, and I wanted to talk

686
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: about them. Okay, so she's d scene. She's not good

687
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 1: at driving. Maybe it's because she doesn't have a license yet,

688
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: but it's you know, there's a bunch of movies where

689
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: we see women being bad at driving. It's a trope.

690
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: It's also just a stereotype in the world. The moment

691
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: where like a woman like panics and she's like I

692
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: don't know how to hold a steering wheel and then

693
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: she like crashes or like something happens like that. I've

694
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: seen that all the time, remember, right exactly. So, and

695
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: then there's like obviously way fewer movies where men are

696
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: bad at driving. In fact, there's many movies where the

697
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 1: whole place good Fasten, the Furious Baby Driver Drive. There's

698
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: a lot of them. But anyway, seems like this just

699
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: perpetuate the idea that women are bad at driving. Yeah,

700
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: all the male movies about driving, Like it's like that's

701
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: supposed to be seen as like a positive thing, and

702
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: it's like my high school experience was like getting in

703
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: a car with some psycho who's like, I don't know

704
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: how to drive, but I'm gonna go a hundred, like

705
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: you know why at least I'm sucking going twenty five

706
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: as I hit the curve like whatever. My whole high

707
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: school driving experience was boys turning onto High Street and

708
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: being like high Street get it. I feel like that's

709
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: an extension of like cars are a masculine thing and

710
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: but they want to fund cars, but cars are seen

711
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: as objects equivalent to women because like they're like every

712
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: car commercial is just like stick your dick in the

713
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: that's like your dick in the gust. Take then other

714
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: woman will know that you're fucking Like that's just like

715
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: every car commercial. And then movies that like have a

716
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: woman who's like good at fixing cars is a way

717
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: to show she's not like the other girls. But they

718
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: show a girl like in a tank top with her

719
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: book and the other jacket fixing a car, and then

720
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: they have to show her with a man immediately to

721
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: be like she's not gay, Like she's not gay, don't worry.

722
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: People are not gay. People are not gay, and especially

723
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: not the hot woman that you want. And I feel

724
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: like the man is there also to like affirm she's

725
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: doing it correctly, like he's also going to be like

726
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: what she did do the thing to the thing. I'm

727
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: a bad example of I don't know anything about cars.

728
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: And the only speaking person of color role in this

729
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: whole movie for Princess Diaries is the mechanic. There's a

730
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: cheerleader who there's a cheerleader, but he only role is

731
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: speaking in sync with Mandy Moore and the other thing.

732
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: And they're like that that that like bring it where

733
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: they have I'm missing you. Yeah, And then they have

734
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: the mechanic guy whose only line is he's like you

735
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: sweet on her, the only line they give him, and

736
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, there's also and as a person of color,

737
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 1: but he all right night and he's like why don't

738
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: have to give him a ticket? And it's like unbelievable.

739
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: This the whole movie is about, like where it's just

740
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: the grandma being like, if you are the right kind

741
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: of a woman, you may achieve your power. I don't

742
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: know if she's really a child. She's like she's like,

743
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: you'll come into your power if you can wave and

744
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: be female and night male offices when they feel threatened. Well,

745
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: also with the mechanic character, his whole thing, like he's

746
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: one of three I think people of color who speak

747
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: at all in the movie. And also his character is

748
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: so weird where he's like, yeah, let these teenage boys

749
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: rehearse and work for me for no money. Yeah. Yeah,

750
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: his whole thing. I was like, that is what who

751
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: He's like very invested in that. There's always like these

752
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: high school movies when you look back, there's like these

753
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: older people who are like very invested in the sexual

754
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: lives of teens and it's just like arrest them. That's crazy.

755
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: Like Mr robotozn't like that's insane. Mr robotun't. Was for

756
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: sure nude under his yes every time and he's just

757
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: muttering under his breath, just being like the clean wax

758
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: to the car he wanted em Yeah. Yeah. First he's like,

759
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 1: I can't believe I won an Emmy. It's like, who

760
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: are you talking? That's yeah, what did you win an

761
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: Emmy for? That's so sad speaking, that was a horrible transition. Good.

762
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: But there is a surprise kiss in this movie. Whenever

763
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: Josh he's like, oh, there's cameras, there's how the exploit

764
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: this moment. It is unlike most movies as being wrong. Yes,

765
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: and she reacts appropriately by being like you, I didn't

766
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: want you to kiss me. I think she smacks him

767
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: with her sandal or something. Yeah, so if and then

768
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: later he gets hit in the dick with a softball.

769
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: So let that be a lesson to you all you

770
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: break men out there. Any man who's like the movie

771
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: Brink is problematic. Any woman who likes the movie Brink right,

772
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: So if that Basically, if there is a surprise kiss

773
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: in a movie, there's a right way to handle it

774
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 1: in a wrong way. But this movie I think did

775
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: it the right way. Yeah, we've seen progress since the eighties.

776
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: Something I liked about this movie and would like to

777
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: tip my hideous felt hat too, is, uh the tip

778
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: of the ugly great felt that your teacher makes you

779
00:47:54,120 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: take off to reveal you're the hottest school. Uh. What

780
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: I'd like to tip that thing too is that it

781
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: is rare to see multiple generations of women in a movie.

782
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: At all, and especially three generations of women interacting with

783
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: each other. I mean, and it's like a lot of

784
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: the time they're calling Anne Hathaway ugly, a lot of

785
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: the times they're not disclosing the details of this accident. Uh,

786
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: maybe does pass the loftist test because bondist woman in

787
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: charge Julie Andrews and she's yeah, she's in charge. And

788
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: and just like seeing a woman over sixty normally, the

789
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: normally they'll be like, grandma's their mom's dead, right, but

790
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: Grandma's gonna bond with the daughter. And all three of

791
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: them have very different views of what the choice should be.

792
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: And it's to this movie's credit we do see these

793
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: women interacting a lot, and we see that they have

794
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: different opinions, and sometimes their opinions are weird and stupid,

795
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: but know that's what people are like. So I thought

796
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 1: that that was a generally positive thing because you don't

797
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,959
Speaker 1: usually see three female characters at all, much less ones

798
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: that are related to each other. A better version of

799
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: this women at all. I can't believe we're on this

800
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: stage right now. It's crazy. I've never seen more than

801
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: two women at one time ever. Know, Jamie, you're totally right.

802
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: And then there's many other female characters. Most of the

803
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: people that Mia interacts with our women. Um there's like

804
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: the Joe exception, there's the Michael who's basically, I agree

805
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: with Marcia, an extension of Lily. Yeah, Lily, but you

806
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: can't have that in mainstream Hollywood. There were echoes of

807
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 1: Daria in this movie for me, where Daria and Jane

808
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: are a very similar friendship for any Daria heads out there,

809
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: where we're just like kiss but she doesn't. And that's

810
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: as brother. Same thing. They create Jane's brother because Daran

811
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 1: Jane can't hook up and they have six Sad World,

812
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: which is basically shut up and listened. So it's like, yeah,

813
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: you're incredible. So this is effectively a Disney princess movie.

814
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: It's live action, but it's a Disney movie. Realized that

815
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: it's really called The Princess Diary. I know, I'm so

816
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: late in life from like, I can't believe I ever

817
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: thought it was smart for one second, what the princess narrative.

818
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: But there's a line towards the end that the grandmother says,

819
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: people think princesses are supposed to wear. Tiara's Mary the

820
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: prince always look pretty and live happily ever after. But

821
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: it's so much more than that. It's a real job.

822
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, maybe people think that about princess

823
00:50:53,840 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: is because your company, Disney perpetuated that very idea and

824
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: also of cinema and also in the movie, her princess

825
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:10,479
Speaker 1: training is only based on Yes, she's not taught like

826
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 1: how to run a country. She's not taking Civics lessons.

827
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: She's not like taking No, this isn't the crown. There's

828
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: no pressure on her to know how to speak in public. None. Yeah,

829
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: that's the whole thing. At the beginning, She's like, I

830
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: can't talk in public. They're like, we'll just make you hot.

831
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: It doesn't. Yeah, she's she mentioned you like you'll learn

832
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: languages and like study policy, but we don't see that.

833
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: We only see her getting hot and then maintaining her hotness. Also,

834
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: am I supposed to believe she's at the end, like

835
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: going on a plane to Genovia with that Louis the

836
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: cat just being like super happy, like I made my decision,

837
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: Like I had to leave my boyfriend when I was

838
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 1: fifteen for like three weeks and I was baling. I

839
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: was like I mean, am I supposed to believe that?

840
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: She's just like, yeah, like, whatever happened happens, there's no way.

841
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: And also the thing that kind of swings the final

842
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: thing that swings her decision is a letter from her dad,

843
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: who abandoned her at birth, and that's the thing that

844
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: changes her mind. It's like, you have at least three

845
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: women in your life who you see right now every day,

846
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: who have more perspective into who you are. And then

847
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 1: it's like a handwritten letter from her flashback dad who's

848
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 1: lounging in a field of daisies for no fucking reason,

849
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: being like, dear woman, I abandoned. Hope you're hot. Like

850
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 1: that's the weird thing about Lily though, too, because there's

851
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: this one scene where the writers clearly gave up because

852
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: like she's just like, yeah, so like you know and

853
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: my dad who just died like a year ago or whatever,

854
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: and Lily literally goes, I thought you were over that.

855
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: It was two months, she goes. She goes, and then

856
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: two months I kind of thought you were getting over that.

857
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: And she's like, well, yeah, but I'm still like pretty

858
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: sad about it. And she's like, but like he wasn't

859
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: even there for you and like, also, you're hot now,

860
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: so she shut the funk up? Is she hot by then?

861
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: Wasn't that right after? Was before? So even before she's

862
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: just like over yourself, Like Lily is not a good friend.

863
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. There is a moment that I enjoyed later

864
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: on where Lily's like, hey, actually, you being a princess

865
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: is cool because you can like affect chain took me

866
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: up with ship. Yeah, but again, yeah, she has a

867
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 1: Faberge egg already, Like and she didn't know her dad

868
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: was a prince. Okay, I forgot. That's the end. She's like,

869
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: I've decided to do this because I'll be able to

870
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: do good in the world. It's like, yeah, fucking right,

871
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: Like the movie should have been about then, Like I

872
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: feel like it should have been feeling strongly about a

873
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: cause and having When she's a princess, she's like, yes,

874
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: I can use this platform to like her cause was

875
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: my hair is curly? Right? Well, I get yours right now,

876
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: And she's like, my causes gone. The Meg Cabot books,

877
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: I have not read them in many years. I will

878
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: never read them again. Sorry, but they're very different in that,

879
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: like there is a sequel to this movie that still

880
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: has and Hathaway and Julie Andrews. I haven't seen it

881
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: in many years. I know the promise of it is

882
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: and Hathaway has to get married in forty eight hours

883
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: or Genovia seeses to exist. Oh my gods. Constitution did

884
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 1: not think ahead at all. The serious very different where

885
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I would argue that there's a lot of

886
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: the same core problems, but the rest of the book

887
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: series sort of goes on, like Mia has to go

888
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: to Genovia during school vacations, but she continues to go

889
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: to school, and so it's more like she's more of

890
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: a normal person like Juggling. It's more Hannamiz every weekend. Yeah,

891
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure that makes her relatable to her team here. Yeah,

892
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: that girl I would want to be friends with. She's like,

893
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 1: I gotta gr up every week and you can't come by.

894
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: But they totally like there's at least some of the

895
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 1: basics of this first movie are based in the source material,

896
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: and then they just totally jump the shark and they're like, well,

897
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: if Andam hath the Way doesn't get married, there's going

898
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: to be a genocide. It's like it's just crazy. Everybody Genoia.

899
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: It's horrid. Genovia becomes Greece, France or whatever it's supposed

900
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: to be. We musty flower Virgin and or the drops.

901
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: It's just, oh my god, it's so true. Yeah, she's

902
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: like fifteen, and they're like, are you ready to be

903
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: a princess? Do you even want to fuck? She's like,

904
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm just a nerd. One last thing

905
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about is the part where the

906
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: paparazzi takes all the photos of her getting surprised kissed

907
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: by Josh and then changing out of her swimsuit, and

908
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: then everyone the press is like, wow, what a party

909
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: animal this new princesses. And wait, my favorite line, it's

910
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 1: a really lazy line by like one of the newscasters

911
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 1: in this world, where she's like, we're a night of

912
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: fun turned into too much fun. It's like great, yeah,

913
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: great job. But I feel like it's a commentary on

914
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: how like the press often villainizes young women. The grandma,

915
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: even the grand she bought it, she basically shame. I

916
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: feel like that scene traumatized me because like there's all

917
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: these like pseudo sexual assaults that happened in these like

918
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: PG movies where it's like, hey, like, go ahead and

919
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: get naked in a place that you think is private,

920
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: but like, like, I guess I should prepare for that,

921
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: but maybe maybe you should, like fuck. And so now

922
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: I live my life as a never nude because you

923
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: got cut offs under there positive, someone is telling me

924
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: at all times. Um. So I think that's a healthy balance.

925
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 1: On the other hand, I would argue that her mom

926
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: is very sex positive because whenever she's like I think

927
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have my first kiss tonight, She's like, you go, girl,

928
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: go kiss even though that boy sucks and I know

929
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: he sucks. Like I mean, her mom's like like I

930
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: want to romantic kiss her. My leg goes up and

931
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: her mom's like loser, And I was like, oh, like

932
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: your kiss. Like every scene as her mom just being

933
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: like I get sucked a lot, So good luck to you. Um.

934
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: Does anyone have any other final thoughts about the movie? Um? Okay,

935
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: So I will never not love this movie. However, this

936
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: is like one of those movies, like many princess movies,

937
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: but I think this one more so than any other

938
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: movie I grew up with, is it is a movie

939
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: that gives you like an avatar character to plug yourself

940
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: into when you're a young girl. And so that makes

941
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: like what happens in the movie ten Times is important

942
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: because most any girl who is young thinks they look

943
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: like shit. And that is how like, I feel like

944
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: there's no like young women here who didn't see Anne

945
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: Happy Way at the beginning of that movie and be

946
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: like yep, and and again. If you didn't and you're

947
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: still hot, you're not relatable or as a person, congrats

948
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: to email us with your experience as a hot person.

949
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: But but like when there are movies where there's clear

950
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: characters that are written and designed for young people to

951
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: like plug themselves into, you have to be so careful

952
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: how you manage that character. Often the issue with these

953
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: characters as they are boring. Example, Harry Potter, uh, where

954
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: you're like, everyone's gonna be like, I'm Harry Potter, but

955
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: Harry Potter is like, I don't do anything and I

956
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: have money. I'm my money can under Harry Potter. Anyways, there,

957
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: I just listen to you guys. It Harry Potter episodes.

958
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: So funny that you brought that up. It's it's I

959
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: hate polarious I love Harry Potter because Jamie was like,

960
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: I hate Harry Potter. Yeah, Jamie starts off the podcast.

961
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: I've been like I hate Harry Potter, and then um,

962
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: your guests, Maggie May I think was like I remember

963
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: waiting in line at midnight to get the new Harry

964
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: Potter bucks and Jamie's like, yes, yes, yeah. I was

965
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: like I was there too, but I also hated it.

966
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: I'll like to say clear avatar characters who go from

967
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: non hot too hot, who go right exactly And and

968
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: in the movie Too they straightened her Minie's hair and

969
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, she's hot. That was always like

970
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: you have curly hair, but you're thin. And then they

971
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: strain your hair to take off the glasses and they're

972
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: like boom down, and and so that's like a downside

973
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: of this movie, is it? It Like the takeaway is,

974
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,959
Speaker 1: like many movies, being hot will solve most of your problem.

975
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: And once you get hot, you're probably actually rich, which

976
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: is amazing. You never see makeover where they're still poor afterwards.

977
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: That's that would be an important again industry free idea.

978
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: You're welcome. I'm gonna make that and they're gonna be

979
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: like we've done it well. It's like when I stridened

980
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: my hair for the first time, I was like, yeah,

981
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: you still uh I know. I did movie to teach

982
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 1: me that, Like once I got my hair straighted professionally

983
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: from my bomb mitzvah, and I was like, my life

984
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: is about to change. And then like everybody was like, no,

985
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: we still think Heather, there's the hot one. I'm like,

986
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: there's always there's television shows. But yeah, you're right. Movies

987
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: like that have to be very careful with how they

988
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: handle it, and I would want this movie does not

989
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: handle it very well. But they say bush Man eyebrows.

990
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 1: They're like hello, Freda calla like no sense of of

991
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: anyone Rita a movie that is in thank you. Wow. Also,

992
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: we have a listener in the front row with a

993
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: feminine icon Albert Molina. What's your name? Shout out to Zoe? Yes,

994
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: show a shot. Also speaking of bodyguards, who fuck uh?

995
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: Whitney Houston produced this movie? Wait? Yes, yeah she did.

996
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: And literally I was like, it's not that Whitney Houston

997
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: and it is always that Whitney Houston. We're so worth noting.

998
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: This movie has many female producers. Directed by Gary Marshall,

999
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: but always written by a woman and based on a

1000
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:54,439
Speaker 1: novel written by Yeah, so a lot of women read

1001
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: here are adult novels as well. I haven't read them

1002
01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: since I was novels. Could she did? Is she? Like?

1003
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: Genuinely clap if you've read My Cabin? I've heard of

1004
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: does she? Does she hold up? Okay, I've heard. I

1005
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: mean I really enjoyed her, but I read I read

1006
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: her through high school and I haven't read her since.

1007
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: But I would argue the source material for this series

1008
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,919
Speaker 1: is much better than any of the movie out of like,

1009
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: let's dumb it down because and then the book it's

1010
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: literally it's called the Princess Diaries because it's written first

1011
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: person from Mia. It's her. That's what I wondered too,

1012
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: because when I was rewatching, I was like, why is

1013
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: this the Diaries? And at least they bridget Jones's diary.

1014
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: They make a loose attempt to be like September. Well

1015
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: in the movie, they changed the diary to be a

1016
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: diary she's given that her father wrote in and that's

1017
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: that it is at the end. Okay, but he's not

1018
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: as close as the Prince's diary diary about his daughter,

1019
01:02:55,640 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: he said to the princess diary that bequeathed upon his death.

1020
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: That's a good game. That's a good title for a movie. Objectively,

1021
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: Hey do test? Okay, Yes, it does pass the Backtel

1022
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: test because there's a lot of conversations with two women

1023
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: that are like over one line that are about country,

1024
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: but mostly about the dead dad who is a man,

1025
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: and also about looks, which is like, that's an interesting

1026
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: thing because there's so many like chick flick movies where

1027
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: it's like, I guess technically they're like speaking not about

1028
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: a man, but they're speaking about making yourself appeal to

1029
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: the male gays who had it on there, who had

1030
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: it on their bingo card, margot down male gay has

1031
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 1: got one in. That's something we come up against a

1032
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: lot where and there's versions of media tests they say

1033
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: that women can't be talking about domestic stuffs. But based

1034
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: on this movie and based on two years of doing

1035
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: this podcast, now, like I think the thing that I

1036
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: would jump to first is making a media test like

1037
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: it can't pass the Bechtel test if women are insulting

1038
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: each other based on their looks, Because it passes the

1039
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: Bechtels test in this movie, our version of it, and

1040
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 1: technically whatever the canonical version of it. So many times

1041
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: when women are telling each other, they look like absolute ship. Yeah,

1042
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: and it's like frustrated, and it's not even in like

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Speaker 1: the way that it is with like me and my friends.

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Speaker 1: So it's like you look like shit girl, you know,

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Speaker 1: like where it's like a compliment. It's because you're working

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Speaker 1: so hard. Well, so many of the passes that we've had,

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Speaker 1: or either they're talking about food or making food, they're

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01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: talking about clothes, they're talking about some other like hair,

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Speaker 1: makeup things, or it's like you should kill yourself. She's

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Speaker 1: all that. I'm gonna kill you, Miss congeniality. A star

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Speaker 1: is born to high I'm gail. This is the way

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Speaker 1: to the stage. I'm goin to icon more. Well, let's

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Speaker 1: write the Princess Diaries on our nipple scale if you're familiar,

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01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: nipple scale if you're not familiar. We rate the movie

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Speaker 1: based on his portrayal and representation of women based on

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Speaker 1: a scale of zero to five nipples. I'm gonna give this.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. What was it nipple? What isn't nipple? Does

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Speaker 1: anyone in the audience, anyone do you want to show

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Speaker 1: are you doing like a show us your tips to

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01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: the audience right now, show us your tips high brows

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Speaker 1: the show first, I'm sorry, does quite familiar? Does anyone

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01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: have a nipple on head? On hand? I think I'm

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01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: gonna oh, thank you so much. That could go on Instagram. Yeah,

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01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to give this a too. Two nipples.

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01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:17,439
Speaker 1: Like look, no, everyone everyone in there, everyone in their head,

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01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: have their nipp because we don't listen to us. You know,

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01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: we're stupid. We don't know over on your head. But

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give it a too because even though

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01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,919
Speaker 1: in the movie there's female relationships and female friendships, which

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01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: is great, I do like a lot of the characters,

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01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: especially Lily and Fat Louis and Mr robotutions two of

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01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: those are but Lily is cool, So I do appreciate

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01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 1: like the female relationship aspect of the movie. But because

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01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 1: almost the entire movie is framed around she's got to

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01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 1: be a very specific standard of beauty to even be

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01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: considered to be able to do this whole princess role.

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01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: The movie spends no time being like, hey, you should

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01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: maybe learn about you know, policy, or like anything like that.

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01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: Right about the country. It's about the country itself. It's

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01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 1: all about and a lot. I feel just like a

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01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: lot of things kind of happened to her, and they

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01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: don't even show it on a map. They don't want

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01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: to even give us like a loose like it's here.

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01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think like there are opportunities for this

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01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 1: movie to be about something more important and it simply

1086
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: was not. So I'm gonna do two nipples and they

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01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: both go to Fat Louis. Obviously, I'm going to give this.

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01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: I guess I'm gonna go two and a half. I

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01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 1: love this movie, dear, Oh my god, I was gonna

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01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 1: go three. Can everyone relax? But someone like seed, I'll

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01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: go three. I I remember when I was like, I

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01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: don't so come to peer pressure. I want everyone to

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01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: think I'm cool. I am going to give this. I'm

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01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: gonna give it three nipples. And there are there are

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01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,479
Speaker 1: a lot of issues with this movie, which we spent

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01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 1: time discussing. There's obviously a lack of diversity. We only

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01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: see one woman of color in the entire movie, and

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01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: she's basically one character combined with another like white Girl,

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01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 1: because they only speak. She has she is, and she

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01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 1: has multiple exchanges in the movie. The past the Bechtel

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01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: test because she is a woman in charge. She's the

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01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 1: principle of the school, and she's either listening to or

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01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 1: dismissing her students, depending on who another thing is. She's

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01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, kind of like a bitch.

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01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: And then like whenever she finds out that like me

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Speaker 1: as a princess, she's like, oh yeah, I'll do anything

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01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 1: for you, which kind of speaks to like, what I

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01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 1: do like about this movie is not just you see

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Speaker 1: many generations of women in prominent roles. You see a

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01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 1: lot of different personality types from women, and I think

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01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,959
Speaker 1: that that is a rarity in movies, especially movies marketed

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01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: to young girls specifically. Is I think like a common

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01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 1: like Fumble is like all women have to like each other.

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01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: If you don't like every single woman, you are bad.

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01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: And you see and there's there's so many different kinds

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Speaker 1: of women. You know. You you see Mia, you see

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01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: Julie Andrews who has been raised by the patriarchy and

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01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: is has issues. You see Helen who, you see Mandy

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01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: Moore who genuinely is a despicable person and deserve to

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Speaker 1: get coned. Uhha, god loha, God. Count You see Lily,

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01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: who is like a very socially active kind of women.

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01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: You see like a lot of different kinds of women

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01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 1: with specific cause she's at someone she's like seals to.

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01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 1: There's a lot of difference. She wears buttons on her jeans.

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01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: I think that's an accurate representation of the high school activists.

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01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: They're like all in justice space. She's like eating French

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01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 1: fries like I'm a vegetarian. Yeah, it's like you see,

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Speaker 1: you see a lot of different types of women, and

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01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 1: you see them interacting with each other and having differences

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01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 1: of opinion and seeing them resolving issues, and that's not

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01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 1: something in spite of all the issues we have talked about.

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01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 1: I think that that was definitely something that resonated with

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01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 1: me and people love this movie, and I still really

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01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 1: like this movie. So three nips from me giving one

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01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: to me up and giving one to Lily, and I'm

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01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: giving one to Sandra. Oh yeah, yeah, Marcia, what do

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01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 1: you say? You know what? Honestly, I'm gonna give it

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01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: three nipples just like Marky Mark, three nips just like

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01:10:55,880 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 1: Mark Wahlberg. Um, because yeah, this is a ing upon

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01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 1: rewatch because at the time, all these movies that I watched.

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01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 1: I was just like a great message. Love it. I

1142
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: hate myself, but I love the movie, like rewatching all

1143
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: these like there's this one movie I think it was

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01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 1: called No, it's not Head over Heels because that's Samel

1145
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:18,679
Speaker 1: gives someone. But there's some movie where it's like Freddie

1146
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 1: Prince Jr. And he's dating a girl who lives with

1147
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:26,639
Speaker 1: all models, and she's like, she's like the regular looking one.

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01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 1: And I remember being like, if that's regular looking, kill me.

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01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 1: And that's what this movie is because I remember at

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01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: the time being like, okay, Anne Hathaway before like all right,

1151
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 1: what are the more convincing and we condemned movie makeovers. However,

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01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 1: this is the only effective movie makeover where you genuine

1153
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 1: lucy a marked difference between one and two, where like

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01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 1: when we did Miss Congeniality, it's like it was Sandra

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01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: bullok the whole time, it was Sandra Bull, like the

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01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 1: whole That's the thing with all these movies. It's always

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01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: like she's all at your lab. It was her, she

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01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: was Josie. But okay, so three nipples. One to Miadi

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01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: General whatever her name is, and I want to give

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01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 1: one to the mom who just like refuses to be

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01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,679
Speaker 1: sledg shamed, and I respect that's so much about her

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01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 1: because every scene is her being like I sucked your

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01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 1: teacher and me a being like what and her being

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01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 1: like in the seventies, I foxed someone that looked like

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01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:38,759
Speaker 1: your teacher. So one for the mom, one for Mia,

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01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 1: and one is sort of a conglomerate of what should

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01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 1: have been one character with the Lily brother and that's Oh,

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01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: and I feel bad missing Julie Andrews, so I'm gonna

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01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 1: change mind to three point five nipples to give sort

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01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 1: of a higher score than you guys. We can get

1171
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 1: like the Olympic judging like comedian grade out of three.

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01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah for Julie Andrews, because God bless her. She deserves

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01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 1: an Oscar for the roll. Don't argue with me, he does.

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01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 1: She at least has starved a golden globe. I don't

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01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 1: know if she got one, but he says no. I mean,

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01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 1: because I think that Oscar should be decided not based

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01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 1: on if the movie is good, but based on what

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01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: people did with the source material, because there was not

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01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: a lot you could do with this movie, and she

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01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 1: stayed committed the entire time. She was like, no, I

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01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 1: am a Genovian queen and not like twelve years old,

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01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,719
Speaker 1: I remember being like Genovia is real, she's the queen.

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01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: I would like to revoke one of my nipples from

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01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 1: Mia and give it to Meg Cabin because story to

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01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 1: our source material that got bought. I mean, these authors

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01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,600
Speaker 1: are so brave, like where they're like I read they

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01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,679
Speaker 1: call me by your name author where he was like honest,

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01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 1: and I read the book after I saw the movie.

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01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 1: The ending is completely different. I think they should have

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01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: done the ending like the book. And the author was like,

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01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 1: they changed my whole story, but I really respect it.

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01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know how you do that,

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01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 1: because if I wrote a book and someone changed like

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01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 1: one thing, I'd be like, na, but what about a

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01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: million dollars? Actually that I could have so much integrity

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01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: before I actually write anything. And then I write a

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01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 1: book and they're like, we'll give you four billion dollars.

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Speaker 1: All the characters are different. I'm like, you gotta baby

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Speaker 1: all women. Well, Harsha, thank you so much for being

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Speaker 1: thank you for having them. Thank you. What would you

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