1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People who did cool little stuff, 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: which I'm apparently supposed to introduce it that way. Uh, 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: this is a show that I'm already tired of coming 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: up with clever ways of introducing. And I'm your host, 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: part ploy and every week I tell you about the 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: people I have arbitrarily determined, as I guess this week 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: is Brodie Reid. Brodie, how are you doing? I'm great. Um, 8 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: I'm actually didn't say any full credits or anything, but 9 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: I'm actually a cool expert. I'm a professor down at 10 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: the University of Chill Hanks and go Cowabunga's and I'm 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: happy to be here with you to judge or whatever 12 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: it is. Okay, So at the end of this episode, 13 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: a you're gonna tell me is it like cool or not? 14 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: Is that they? Okay, let me tell you throughout the 15 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: whole episode. Okay, No, that I guess. That is why 16 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: we brought you on. And we've got Sophie on the 17 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: line as well. Who is our producer, Sophie? Do you 18 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: have any new Mono Soloa by ways to answer the 19 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: question of how are you doing? No? Okay, just checking. Okay, 20 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: So I'm really excited about this week's episode, Brodie, No one, 21 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: no one warned you what the episode is about, right, No, 22 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: I no? Excellent. I don't like spoilers, you know. Yeah, yeah, okay, Okay, 23 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: Well I'm excited about this week's episode because this week 24 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: I get to say about one of my favorite people 25 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: that I've ever run across, if you don't think, she's 26 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: going to be very sad, and a bunch of other 27 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: people too, some of whom are cool. And I say 28 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: basically every week that I love these people, and I 29 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: mean it every week. Um. I love all of my 30 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: podcast topics equally, I just love a little bit more 31 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: equally because this week I'm going to tell you a 32 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: story about some women in Japan about a hundred years 33 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: ago who had a problem. And they had a multitude 34 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: of problems, like the horrendous treatment of workers and of 35 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: women and of the Korean subjects of the Japanese Empire. 36 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: But these women, ten years apart from each other, they 37 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: never met, they came up with really similar solutions to 38 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: their problems. Brody, is there a problem that can't be 39 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: solved by throwing a bomb at an emperor? Um? Let 40 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: me think, Yeah, there's a couple of problems. Um fracking, Um, 41 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: that's one. Um, low wages, that's that's one. Um. Most Actually, 42 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say most problems can't be solved by throwing 43 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: a bomb at an emperor. Oh yeah, all right, well, um, well, 44 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: it depends on how you look at it, because I mean, 45 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 1: if your problems are caused by the emperor, listen, I'm 46 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: pro bomb, I'm pro bomb choice. I just want to 47 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: put that out there. I like blowing stuff up. Uh yeah. 48 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: And and actually, one of the things that you know, 49 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: learning about most history it writes to bomb, is that 50 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: doesn't actually solve the problem. But you can't fault people 51 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: for trying. And although these people had actually succeeded, uh, 52 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: they might have done made the world a better place, 53 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: almost on the killing Hitler level of good. Because today 54 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about two women who tried to 55 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: introduce the wonders of gunpowder to the divine Emperor of Japan. 56 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: It's the stories of Kano Suga and Kaniko Fumiko, two 57 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: Japanese women who are sentenced to death for trying to 58 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: explode parts of the imperial family. And they were both poets, 59 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: they were both anarchists, and in other ways they could 60 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: have been more different from each other. So we're going 61 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: to start this story where all things start, or at 62 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: least some anime starts with the Maiji Meiji restoration. I 63 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: see why I was booked for this episode. Do you 64 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: wanna do you want to explain to the listener why 65 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: you were Probably I'm a big nerd I, Um, I'm 66 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: a comedian, but I also, um, I'm a big I 67 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: guess Japanophile. Um, honestly, I'm a web I have a 68 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: show called The Dark Web. Um. I speak Japanese also, 69 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: so stuff like that. Yeah cool, um, yeah, that that 70 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: is why I presented this topick. And people were like, yeah, 71 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: now that I know what we were talking about, Because 72 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: first when you said bomb, I was just like, oh, 73 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: I know two famous ones, and I was just like, 74 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: those ones are bad. But now that we're talking about 75 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: anarchists in little bombs, little guys, Now now I'm on board. No, No, 76 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: this actually makes a lot of sense. I hadn't thought 77 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: about this context. There were some other people who used 78 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: bombs in very bad ways. Um yeah, yeah, yeah, it gets. 79 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: The indiscriminate part is where it gets. And a lot 80 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,679 Speaker 1: of them are are good. Some of the most famous 81 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: bombs are actually Japanese bomb mombs from Mario. From there, Um, 82 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: you know that that that one bomb in um acera, 83 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: we were again bringing it back to anime. Well, I 84 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: want to imagine all of the bombs that are going 85 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: to be included today as the little Mario bombs. UM good. 86 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: So okay. So the Meiji Restoration, which you probably know 87 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: more about than I do, which is is probably good. Mh. 88 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it justice. Right. It's this 89 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: really big thing that happened, the Meiji Restoration, but I 90 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: don't know actually that much about it. I learned about 91 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: it in the context of the stuff I do know 92 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: more about, which is some women who like the little 93 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: Mario bombs. Yeah, essentially, I can give you like a 94 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: cliff notes. It was UM this transitional period from around 95 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: the time when feudal Japan ended, when um Japan was unified. 96 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: There was um an era of relative peace and order 97 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and then the Meiji Restoration was 98 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: kind of getting rid of the samurai class in general, 99 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: UM modernizing UM the country brought a lot of good things, 100 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: economic prosperity, educational proxperity. So people regarded as a good thing. Um, 101 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: and there's you know, there's still swords, so it's it's 102 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: all good. Yeah. It is kind of an interesting I 103 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: think that's part of the reason people like it esthetically, 104 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: as you get the nice like there's still swords involved 105 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: in some of these fights exactly. Yeah, and then and 106 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: then and a lot of people, you write, a lot 107 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: of people view this as a as a positive thing. 108 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: There are a lot of forms happening at this time. Yeah, 109 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 1: but also kind of a nationalist twins to it. Yeah. Yeah. 110 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: And there's this idea that basically the imperial West was 111 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,679 Speaker 1: looking to the east, and so Japan was like, okay, 112 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: depends on who you ask. Either Japan was like we 113 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: need to be prepared to defend ourselves from the imperialists 114 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: in the West, or Japan was like we need to 115 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: join the imperialist West and started in our own empire. Um. 116 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: So you get some vestiges of Western liberalism during all 117 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: this time. You get a cabinet system, you get a constitution, 118 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: but it's not a democracy. The constitution was a gift 119 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: from the emperor to the people, and he could change 120 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: it whenever he wants and cool cool, yeah, yeah, exactly, 121 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: and it it borrowed some stuff from the West, right, 122 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: but it was also at the same time uniquely and 123 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: fiercely Japanese. But when you introduce capitalism to a country, 124 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: you also introduce anti capitalism. Yeah, that's the son of me, 125 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: Robin my poems together, and much like the government borrowed 126 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: some elements from the West and then rooted that in tradition, 127 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: the anti capitalist did the same thing. Socialism hits Japan 128 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: in the nine late nineteenth century, and it wasn't long 129 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: before a ton of these early socialists figure out exactly 130 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: what kind of socialists they are is that they're anarchists. 131 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: The first introduction to anarchism came from abroad. A lot 132 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: of it was inspired by people like the industrial workers 133 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: of the world and the United States, or conversations with 134 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: Russian philosopher Peter Kopakin, but it found roots immediately in 135 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: Japanese history. The Japanese anarchists got really excited about how 136 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: it tied into horizontal features of village communalism in their history, 137 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: and in particular, there was this eighteenth century samurai philosopher 138 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: guy who didn't like samurai named Ando Schoiki, and he's 139 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: immediately adopted as a forebearer to the anarchists, like retroactively 140 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: because he was this philosopher. He rejected Buddhism and Confucism, 141 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: he hated feudalism, he hated bureaucracy and law, and he 142 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: believed all people were equal. In fact, all people were 143 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: the same person. And okay, yeah, yeah, I know, I 144 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: kind of get where he's coming. Yeah, totally. Um, he's 145 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: really interesting to me. I I, you know, I Okay. 146 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: So he believes that people should only produce and consume 147 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: what they needed. Anybody also believe that there's gonna be 148 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: a messiah who is not him, which is a big 149 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: advantage if you're gonna talk about messiah stuff. He's not 150 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: the messiah. The Massoia is going to comment usher everyone 151 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: into a better world. Yeah, that way you can like 152 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: kind of spread an idea and you could be like, 153 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: maybe it's you and audience gets involved, you know, yeah, 154 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: totally totally, Maybe it's you who's listening to this right now, 155 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: you know exactly. He also wasn't a lot of fun 156 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: he wrote down and he's kind of making fun of 157 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: Buddhism when he does this, but he writes down five 158 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: terrible crimes and ten offenses. Even though he doesn't like law, 159 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: he writes down his laws, and some of the laws 160 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: I think are cool, laws like don't become a leader 161 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: of men consuming consuming greedily is bad. We should give 162 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: up warrior class authority. Establishing borders is a big no no. 163 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: But there are also ones like um, no music and 164 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: no playing the game go. So I can't I can't 165 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: live without you know what? Yeah, yeah, So don't don't 166 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: go there, don't touch my go and and I don't know. 167 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: So this is this guy where they're like they're excited 168 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 1: about about and though and this isn't about him though 169 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: this podcast, because to my knowledge, he didn't explode anyone 170 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: who needed a good exploding. But onto this stage of 171 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: early socialism and anarchism steps our first hero, Kano Suga. 172 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: She's born, she's the daughter of a mine operator. We 173 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: we don't know a ton about her life, but the 174 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: closest we have is that she wrote all these semi 175 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: autobiographical stories. She was a fiction writer and a journalist 176 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: and all this other stuff, and so she would write 177 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: these books that are like, here's a story about a 178 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: daughter of a mine operator who became a socialist, you know, 179 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, okay, So a lot of what 180 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: we know about her biography is like we think she's 181 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: telling the truth about herself. Here it gets messy. It's 182 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: like comedy. So I understand, Yeah, I guess the comedy 183 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: basically tell stories that are like sort of true, present 184 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: a part of yourself. Absolutely, we're just very good liars. 185 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: That's how jokes are. And so everything's chill in her 186 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: early life for a few years. Then when she's eight, 187 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: her dad's business fails. When she's ten, her mom dies, 188 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: and then she gets a classic evil stepmother who's really 189 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: really bad. I tend to sort of shy away from 190 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: talking about sexual violence on this show, but when I 191 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: when necessary, I'll bring it up. When Suga's fifteen, her 192 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: stepmom convinces a minor to rape her. Um. So this 193 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: was a kind of formative experience for Suga's when might 194 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: imagine and the socialists at the time, we're actually really 195 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: solid feminists, or at least some of them were. And 196 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: so the first time she runs across socialism, and it 197 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: isn't an essay about how rape victims shouldn't have to 198 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 1: carry the guilt of their own rape around, how it's 199 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: not their fault. This resonates with her for some obvious reason, 200 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: and she she starts diving in to see what else 201 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: these folks have to say. When she's seventeen, she's like, 202 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: I need to get the hell out of my house. 203 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: So she marries this random dude she doesn't like, just 204 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: this random business guy, just to get out of the 205 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: house and get away from evil stepmom. Okay, that's not cool, 206 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: but I know, like, well it doesn't She sticks around 207 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: for a moment. She she marries this guy, she lives 208 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: in for three years. Its act one. Step mom leaves 209 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: the family three years later, so so he goes like, oh, 210 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: I gotta go take care of my dad. I'm going 211 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: to divorce you and leaves. Her husband moves back in 212 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: with her invalid dad. That's cool, and shows up and 213 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: supports the family and which is also you know, a 214 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: thing to be doing as a you know, early like 215 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: this's like nineteen o one is at this point, I 216 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: think she gets a job as a journalist the local 217 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: morning paper, and she supports her family, and it's kind 218 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: of a big deal because there's not a lot of 219 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: women journalists in Japan. At this point, she starts writing 220 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: fiction and nonfiction. Her real dream is to become a novelist. 221 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: I really like her as a novelist, you know, and 222 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: then to continue in her like early this is you know, 223 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: informative stuff she gets. She wants social change, and she 224 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: doesn't quite know what she's looking for. So the first 225 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: thing she tries is she gets baptized Protestant and then 226 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: keeps performing Buddhist rituals and just sort of does both. 227 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 1: The Japanese Russian War breaks out nineteen o four, the 228 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: Christians and the Socialists are the two ones fighting against 229 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 1: the militarism, and she's a pacifist, but she starts hanging 230 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 1: out with more Socialists because they're all buds in this 231 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: this whole thing, mhm. And then big change for her. 232 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 1: The inciting incident was some thing called the red Flag incident. 233 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you've run across this. Every time I 234 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: look at Japanese history, everything is the the something incident, 235 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: you know, like every event. It's really cool. Yeah, I 236 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: don't think I know much about this one specifically. Um, 237 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: I've heard of it, but I don't really know what 238 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, And that's the thing is like, because 239 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: it it makes all of these things seem like really 240 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: big deals, and I think they were right, but it's 241 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: just like, you know, it's like if every time we 242 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: had a protest people were like, oh, this is the 243 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: you know the Yeah, it's gonna be hard to tell 244 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: people a hundred years from now, Oh the summer of 245 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: was really tense. Actually, yeah, yeah, it's totally right because 246 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: because we can't easily just call it like, you know, 247 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: the yeah, they're gonna be like, we can't breathe, we 248 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: don't know what you're doing. It's a good point. Okay, 249 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: So the Red Flag incident is this big anarchists and 250 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: socialist rally that like shouldn't have been a big deal, honestly. 251 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: I mean it was a big rally, right, And it 252 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: starts off fine, there's just lefties there, they're waving red flags, 253 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: they're singing songs, they're chanting Anna an anarchy, which is 254 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: a sick chant nice and then the police attack, and 255 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: so this is why it becomes a big deal. The 256 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: police attack and the crowd has fights back, and there's 257 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: this hour long brawl and the protesters win they drive 258 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: back the police. However, the police then round up everyone 259 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: involved in the organizing of the of the well, not 260 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: the brawl, but the demonstration and throw them in jail 261 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: and torture them. And Suga, who was at the rally 262 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: but wasn't an organizer, she goes to the station to 263 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: find out what happened. She sees that everyone's been tortured, 264 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: and they arrest her, so they put her on trial. 265 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: Also uh. She spends two months in jail waiting for 266 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: her trial, and she's found not guilty, but a ton 267 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: of people are found guilty, and a ton of people, 268 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: like huge chunks of the anarchists and the Slist movement 269 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: gets sent to prison for a year or two for 270 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: holding a demonstration and seeing all this happen, right, seeing 271 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: the crowd attacks, seeing people needing to defend themselves, seeing 272 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: the arrest he is tortured, and I'm sure being arrested 273 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:20,239 Speaker 1: herself for basically nothing. She's like, piece isn't gonna cut it, Pacifism, 274 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: this isn't what I'm into anymore, and she she jumps 275 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: over from socialism to anarchism. Although all the leftist groups 276 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: were pretty much friends at the time, which is sort 277 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: of hard for me to wrap my head around now, 278 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: but I appreciate and and so so now she's like 279 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: in it, she starts dating this guy named Kotaku. She's 280 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: dating a whole bunch of people during this time, which 281 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: is actually kind of part of a lot of the 282 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: feminist stuff that they all fight for actually is to 283 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: be like, don't judge us based on who we date. 284 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: Um hm, very nice. Unfortunately, then throughout history people are like, oh, yeah, 285 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: she's Kodaku's boyfriend, and I'm like, I a girlfriend whatever. Um, 286 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, whatever. And in Kodaku he the 287 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: guy who like brings anarchism to Japan in the first place, 288 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: and okay, yeah I've heard that. Yeah yeah he um yeah, 289 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: and he was cool. There's still a big communist um. 290 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: All that stuff is still pretty big in Japan in 291 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: terms of like the most you know, Western developed countries. 292 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: They're kind of like leading the charge a little bit, 293 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: which is pretty um still yeah yeah, Actually, I'm like, 294 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: I need to learn more about what's going on currently 295 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: with a lot of this stuff there. Um. One of 296 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: the problems of getting like lost in his history stuff 297 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: is something like oh yeah, no, I can tell you 298 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: about what happened in right, yeah, And this causes poly drama. Right. 299 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: The fact that she starts dating Kotakum. He divorces his 300 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: wife and moves in with her, and she's everyone thinks 301 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: she's still dating this this guy who's in jail, but 302 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: she's kind of over him, she's been over him for 303 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: a while, and everyone's mad at her for abandoning her 304 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: her jail boyfriend who isn't her boyfriend. So lots of drama. 305 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: And one of the things that really like about learning 306 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: about this polydrama stuff is that people get so hung 307 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: up on this idea that people in the past were 308 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: so different from us now, and that people in different 309 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: countries and different from us, And I'm like, no, this 310 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: is just the same ship, you know, like, yeah, absolutely, 311 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: it's just messy, even the jail part. I'm just like, yeah, 312 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 1: that's that sounds like some people, and yeah, yeah, it's 313 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: totally exactly. And so now she's she's convinced, and she's 314 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: an anarchist and a feminist, and her feminism isn't just 315 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: oh she's a woman and an activist. It was very 316 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: self conscious. She wrote a lot about gender exploitation. She 317 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: focused on basically she was mad at society for focusing 318 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: on women's attractiveness. She fought back against um, the clothes 319 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: that women were being forced to wear and the at 320 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: the time at least, so the social status of women 321 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: in Japan was subordinate to men going back at least 322 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: as far as the seventeenth century. And I'm not trying 323 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: to like single out Japan here, obviously, I'm not sure, 324 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: you know, like, oh yeah, that pretty much the whole time, 325 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: going back to the seventeenth century. There's this Japanese confusion 326 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: scholar who said women should obey their husbands as husbands 327 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: should obey their feudal lord, which I mean, it just 328 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: sounds like Western you know, all the same ship that's 329 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: happening in the West. Two widows weren't allowed to remarry. 330 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: Your husband could execute you for cheating on him. The 331 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: Meiji Restoration, for all its reforms, didn't really touch the 332 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: status of women, and which is annoying because as always, 333 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: women were involved in the reform movement and then got 334 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: left out when it came time to pass out the 335 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: reforms um and then some ways got worse in two 336 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: women were forbidden from making political speeches by women weren't 337 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: allowed to attend political speeches. So Suga, she's committed. She 338 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: cruis up with some factory workers, I think it might 339 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: be time to tell you about something else that matters. 340 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: So if he's not in her head. 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Okay, and 366 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: we are back and we are talking about how Suga 367 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: is sick of being in jail and sick of a 368 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:38,719 Speaker 1: lot of things about the empire. So sick a cigaret boyfriends, Yeah, totally. Yeah. Um, 369 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: it comes up a lot in a lot of these 370 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: things where you're like, oh, these I like it because 371 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 1: it's like all these women are like, I don't want 372 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: to be treated by like ship by my boyfriend, so 373 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: I will leave him. She would have done great on Twitter. 374 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: She really missed the boat she had, the socialism she had, 375 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: the making fun of her boyfriends being Polly. She was 376 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: a woman for the Instagra am Aaron. She missed so 377 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: but she crews up with some factory workers and they 378 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: decide they start talking more right, They're just like talking 379 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: about what's really the matter. And one of the things 380 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: that they hit upon is this emperor guy. They think 381 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: he's mortal, not this divine otherworldly being like he gets 382 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: presented right, m And they didn't have a lot of 383 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: choice in there. There range of tactics because if you 384 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: have a rally, you get beaten and tortured if you 385 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: start a newspaper. And for a while there the socialist 386 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: newspapers were fine, and that was like a main outlet 387 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: they all have, but then they started all getting shut 388 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: down and find as soon as they come out, how 389 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: much of a newspaper was it like a zine? You know, 390 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: I can't tell because like whenever I read about like 391 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: old socialist papers and stuff, I'm like, how much is 392 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: this like a literary journal and a magazine? How much 393 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: is this? Like I you know, found a print you 394 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: know that the Black Panthers had just like it was 395 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: like half like poems and stuff, which is pretty cool. Yeah, 396 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: no matter what if I if I was involved, I'd 397 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: be drawing a cartoon, all right, I'd be contributing the 398 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: least literary value for sure. No, No, I mean cartoons 399 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: are very good. I hope they had cartoons and some 400 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: of these, um I've seen actually some of the old 401 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: socialist and anarchist cartoons. Uh, they're really fun, um interesting. 402 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: I need to see some of those. I think I've 403 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: seen some that are like on YouTube and they're like 404 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: restored and they're just like so esoteric that I'm like, 405 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: I don't get with this Russian ship is. I need 406 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: someone in a in a community college setting to explain 407 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: it to me, But I'll get around him. I actually 408 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: really like the anti ones, the like ones that are like, 409 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: you know, it's the bearded immigrant with a knife with 410 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: a bomb, like standing behind the statue of liberty and 411 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: it's like, don't let these people into the country. They're 412 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: gonna bring in anarchy and murderous all. Yeah. Every once 413 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: in a while, the um, the conservatives in the political 414 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: cartoon spectrum just draw something that is really rad and 415 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: spot on. I like when they do our work for us, 416 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: yeah and so okay, so they do. So they're like, okay, 417 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: we can't have newspapers, we can't we can't publish our scenes, 418 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: and we can have rallies. So they fall back onto 419 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: everyone's favorite last resort or maybe sometimes first resort, the 420 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: bomb and the first threat to the emperor's life actually 421 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: came from seven from a Japanese American newspaper in California. 422 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: There's a Japanese American newspaper, anarchist newspaper called Revolution, which 423 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: wasn't called Revolution in English, was called Revolution in Japan, 424 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: which I didn't write down, but it um it published 425 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: an open letter to the emperor that basically was like, 426 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: so you're a tyrant and we're gonna kill you. And 427 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: that was their open letter to the emperor. Cool because 428 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: they don't really make open letters like that anymore, you know, 429 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: um no, And you know, of course it makes sense 430 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: that they were able to do this there on the 431 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: other side of an ocean, under a different legal jurisdiction. 432 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: But what were they called? Kaku? That sounds right? That 433 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: actually that that sounds right. Yeah, I honestly, this is terrible. 434 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: But I like, I wrote down a lot of things, 435 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: and I wrote down the Japanese and then I was like, 436 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: then more words that I don't have to pronounce because 437 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't like pronouncing words incorrectly. 438 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: I don't feel like it's polite. Japanese is actually really 439 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: pretty easy to pronounce. It's a lot easier than people think. 440 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: You just have to learn um, just like a couple 441 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: idio secrecies. But essentially all the syllables are pronounced like 442 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: one way. It's it's the only way I could speak 443 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 1: to people, honestly, because you kind of gain but it 444 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: takes sense. And actually a lot of the names in 445 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: this are easier for me than a lot of the 446 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: like when I'm like reading Russian names or something, I 447 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: have a bit more of a hard time. Huh, yeah, 448 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: I know that that makes sense. He's pretty fanetic. So 449 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: they decide they start plotting. Sometimes Suga and her friends 450 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: are plotting around nine and it was a reasonably simple 451 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: plan that they came up with. The plan was that 452 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,239 Speaker 1: they were going to get a bomb and then they 453 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: were gonna throw it at the emperor and then there 454 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: wouldn't be never step one exactly, and they like they 455 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: totally knew that, like step four was die right. They 456 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: were like, we're not coming out of this, you know, um. 457 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: But they were, especially Sugo was like pretty much into 458 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 1: being a martyr. And I don't know if this comes 459 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: from her like for a into Christendom or what she 460 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: was trying to get out of that pretty much, you know, 461 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: you're doing bad. Whereas her her boyfriend, he was like 462 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: he started off being like, yeah, yeah, yeah, bombs and stuff. 463 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: I'm cool, I'm a radical anarchist. I started all this 464 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: like I'm cool, I'm down. And then he was like, 465 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: this actually sounds like we're all gonna die. I don't 466 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: want to do it anymore, and I can't blame him, Like, 467 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: but it turns out in a sense, isn't enough to 468 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: save you at this particular juncture, however, so so he 469 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: backs out and everyone else is in, and they pretty 470 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: much they're like, all right, we're all friends with like 471 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: miners and and you know, it's actually a fairly working 472 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: class movement. You know, she herself is not particularly working class, 473 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: but a lot of people in movement are. So they're 474 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: just basically go find miners. They're like, hey, can you 475 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: give us bombs? You use bombs for work, And they 476 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: get a bomb, and the government's onto them, so they 477 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 1: start playing hot potato with the bump, like I don't 478 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: want to hold onto the bump. You hold onto the bum. 479 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: Take it to the other friend's house. No, take it 480 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: to this other prison's house. As like, because the police 481 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: are closing in on them, and then one other friends 482 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: snitches them all out. I just want to say this 483 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: podcast is not sponsored by hot Potato. That's right, that's right. 484 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: As an example of a potato, we are not sponsored 485 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: by We're also not sponsored by Sunishing your friends out 486 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: facts and the police raid a house, I would say 487 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: we're not sponsored by the police, but I believe we 488 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: have actually been sponsored by police. How what do you 489 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: mean they snuck on and ad are they using some 490 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: of their their budget on you can? We have it 491 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: like set up to filter out like politics, government things 492 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: like that. They slipped in under business, yeah, which is 493 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: like yeah, because when they arrest people as businesses using 494 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 1: which is like, which is like not the most shocking category, 495 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: they could have slipped it under to be honest, because yeah, yeah, 496 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: totally we protect business. Yeah. Anyways, anyways, yeah, and this 497 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: is not actually ad break time, We're just complaining about responses. 498 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, So the police raid a house after the 499 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 1: snitchery and they find some raw bomb ingredients and they 500 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: basically just run around and arrest all the prominent anarchists 501 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: they can to try and charge everyone conspiracy. But the 502 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: police actually have a problem all the all the anarchists 503 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: already in jail, paring through them in jail for the 504 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: Red Flag incident, and they're so upset that they can't 505 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,479 Speaker 1: charge these people with conspiracy. So actually, the people who 506 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: got arrested for throwing the demonstration are kind of the 507 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: people who survive in the end because they were in jail, 508 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: so they were safe from being thrown in jail for 509 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: worse things. Included among the arrestees are for Buddhist monks, 510 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: and twenty six people in the end get put on 511 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: trial for conspiracy. Basically, it's it's Suga. Suga is actually like, well, 512 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: I'm actually one of the few people who's actually doing this. 513 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,479 Speaker 1: The rest of the people are completely innocent. And at 514 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: the end she's like at the end, she's like, do 515 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: you have People are like, do you have any regrets? 516 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: And she's like, yeah, I'm I don't regret trying to 517 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,719 Speaker 1: kill the emperor. That was a perfect and logical thing. 518 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: I regret or I'm sad that this is being used 519 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: against innocent people, you know, right, Basically, yeah, totally, I 520 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: regret that you caught me before I could do this. 521 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: Um and yeah, and and and she actually, i mean, 522 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: when she's on trial, She's basically like, yeah, I fucking 523 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: did it, or I wanted to do it, you know. 524 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: And she she actually talked about this a little bit 525 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: at length. She was like, I feel I'm paraphrasing here, 526 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: She's like, I feel sorry that the emperor has to die. 527 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: He's actually kind of nice compared to most tyrants and emperors, 528 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: but but he's never and so he's responsible for the 529 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,479 Speaker 1: exploitation of the masses, and he's got to die. Uh. 530 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: The emperor, of course, had actually reached the exact opposite conclusion. 531 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: He he reached the conclusion that Suga is who should die, 532 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: and unfortunately he had more maybe there's maybe they could 533 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: both die actually, and and Kodaku, the boyfriend he gets 534 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: sentenced to, he's uh, and they actually the judges and 535 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: ship are all assuming it's the boyfriend in charge. And 536 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: even though he had backed out the conspiracy, and so 537 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: one of the main things Suga had to like fight 538 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: for was like, I'm not just a fucking girlfriend, like 539 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: I actually am conspirator here and her defense lawyer and 540 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: this just really right. When I read this, I was like, 541 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: I don't understand that Japanese legicial system. It does not 542 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: map one to one to the American judicial system. Her 543 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: defense lawyer believed that Suga and three of the others 544 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: should be executed, that boyfriend and another guy should get 545 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: life imprisonment, five more should get five years, and fifteen 546 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: were innocent. That is the defense lawyer's position. And there's 547 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: no evidence for any of this crime. I mean there's like, 548 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: there's some circumstantial evidence, there's like the snitchery and some 549 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: bomb materials, but especially for the like wider conspiracy, there's 550 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,959 Speaker 1: just there rolling and nothing. And twenty four of them 551 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: gets sentenced to death, so the defense attorney does not 552 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: get his way, and the emperor then commute half of 553 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: them to life in prison. So half of them get well, 554 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: you just get to spend the rest of your life 555 00:30:55,240 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: in prison. He really looking after his people, you know, uh, 556 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: much like the looking at who looks after their people. 557 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: Are awkward ad transitions. This show is brought to you 558 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: by awkward ad transitions like this one. We're back so 559 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: so Suga and it's actually now she's she's been writing 560 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: this whole time. She's been writing her whole adult life. 561 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: She's been writing all this stuff. She's written all these 562 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: semi autobiographical novellas, and she's but while she's waiting to die, 563 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: she spends her time writing poetry and writing a diary, 564 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: and she spends a lot of her time also reading 565 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: about the nihilists and anarchists and other folks who have 566 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,479 Speaker 1: preceded her to the gallows across the world, and basically 567 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: like finding comfort in that. And the newspapers they make 568 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: this big deal out of it. They're like, look at 569 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: this self indulgent asshole. That's like super vain lady who 570 00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: just wants to be a martyr. And you know, but 571 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, how could you do anything else? Right? You're 572 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: you're sitting there, You're in prison, You're going to get executed. 573 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: What the hell else are you gonna do? I was like, 574 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: read about these other people get executed, you know, exactly 575 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: what else is you going to read? Romance? And they 576 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: all live happily ever after. Um, I wonder if she 577 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: wrote any romance novels. I mean, maybe she probably autobiographically 578 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: did some about some relationships. I'm sure that's why there 579 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,959 Speaker 1: was some tension. She probably sub sub wrote. I think 580 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: that that's probably it. Yeah, erotic friend fan fiction gets 581 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people in trouble, you know. Um, And 582 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: so she's like, all right, I'm gonna die. I'm gonna 583 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: embrace it. She embraced it. And one of her poems 584 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: was born in a very small land. I sacrifice my 585 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: small life for a small hope. In all my reading, 586 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: I read through a ton of her different like really 587 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: like I guess I'm gonna fucking die poems and like 588 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: the good Um, I wouldn't recommend it to poets, right, 589 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: but if if you end up in that situation, the 590 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: good will to draw from, you know. Yeah, it sounds 591 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: very goss. I'm actually goss too, So I love that. 592 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: I think most of the old anarchists poets were all goths. Um. Yeah, 593 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: they definitely wore a lot of black. Yeah. So she 594 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: was hanged at eight o'clock in the morning on January eleven. 595 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: It was a week after her sentence sing It was 596 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: the day after all of her co defendants had been hanged. 597 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: She didn't get told that other people have been hanged. 598 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: She didn't even get told that she was going to 599 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: be hanged that day. She was. She was twenty nine 600 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: years old, and she was the first woman political prisoner 601 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: executed by the Japanese government, So she broke some glass 602 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: ceilings and her last words rule. Her last words were 603 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: just I die for the cause bonds I and which 604 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: is you know a war cry that has been using 605 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: a lot of different contexts. Yeah, it's a badass war 606 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: crying more badass it sounds in English. Yeah, that's a 607 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: good Yeah, totally. Yeah. Actually, I don't know if you 608 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: do or not, But do you know more about that? 609 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: By any chance? Um bonzai, Yeah, that's what um. I 610 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 1: think that's one of the things that um um suicide 611 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: fighters would uh say when they were like flying in 612 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 1: World War Two, things like that. Kama Kazi's Kama kazi 613 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: means kama kaze, if you don't know, is an extremely 614 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,399 Speaker 1: interesting term, very important term in Japan. It means divine wind. 615 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 1: Kami means God and kaz means wind. And the reason 616 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: uh divine wind is such an important UM thing for 617 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: them is because Japan, at several times in its developing 618 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: history was um invaded by Mongols, essentially um invaded by 619 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: forces that were like huge and we're absolutely going to 620 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,240 Speaker 1: um destroy and take over Japan. And then both times 621 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: those invasions happened, there were these freak huge storms. UM 622 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: that like sank all of their ships and made them 623 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: retreat um and that happened twice, so they really funk 624 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: with divine way over there. Well, I like it too, 625 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: write because it's like, okay, if this is also used 626 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: the war cry for Japanese nationalists in World War Two, 627 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: and yet it's being used thirty years earlier by you know, 628 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: a Japanese socialist, Like I love that, Like I love that. 629 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: It's like, this is not culture isn't the same as nationalism, 630 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: you know, like like coming from and participating in a 631 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: culture is not the same as like I. Therefore him 632 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: the same as like, you know, the Japanese nationalists and 633 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: imperial forces. Absolutely. So, she's hanged, and she's buried in 634 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: a boot temple cemetery by friends, and she's buried next 635 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: to her her younger sister, who had been killed a 636 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: few years earlier by this thing that kills literally of 637 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 1: the characters on this show who don't die violently, that 638 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: great harvester of souls, the dear friend of the pod tuberculosis. Interesting, 639 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: I didn't know this, but if you read history, it's 640 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 1: just a long slew of people dying by tuberculosis. That 641 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: is how everyone dies, It makes it makes sense. Suga 642 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: herself actually, during most of the time she was doing 643 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: all this conspiring, was Hella sick with tuberculosis, and she 644 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: she survived it well sort of, right, yeah, sort of. 645 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,919 Speaker 1: I hope she didn't give it to other people. Yeah, 646 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,399 Speaker 1: that's true. Yeah, And so some historians call this whole 647 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: trial a frame up because most of these people had 648 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: nothing to do with the conspiracy. Right, it was absolutely 649 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: politically motivated to try and break the Left, and they 650 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: hadn't even made any concrete plan yet, they were just 651 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: considering it. But but Suga really had been trying to 652 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: figure out, like how do we turn this guy into 653 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: a puddle of blood? And I get the impression she 654 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: wouldn't be much excited for history trying to claim her 655 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: innocence because one of her whole things, which will come 656 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,320 Speaker 1: up in the second half of the show too, is 657 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: people fighting as as women for the right to be 658 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: like seen as powerful enough to be have committed the 659 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 1: crimes that they committed. And so it wasn't that she 660 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,839 Speaker 1: was innocent. I think that it's just what she did 661 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:33,720 Speaker 1: was perfectly reasonable. Yeah, she she loves to be guilty. 662 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: She's basically like a rapper. Essentially, she's got she's got 663 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: a real two park mentality, Okay. And then in contrast 664 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: with another one of her co defendants, there's a Zen 665 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 1: Buddhist monk who's an anarcho socialist named Uchi Yamagudo, who 666 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: is one of the few Buddhist leaders who talked ship 667 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: publicly about the new imperialist projects of Japan. Like during 668 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: this time that they start their conversation of Korea. Well, 669 00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 1: I mean they started in a while back, but starts 670 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: some unting it really and this guy is cool. I 671 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: really like this guy. He's only a side character in this, 672 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna tell you about him because I like him. 673 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: He confronted others Zen Buddhists who claimed that you were 674 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: born into low social class because of karma. He was like, no, 675 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: that's nonsense, right, And and he fought against corruption and 676 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: the faith, like people were buying abbot ships and stuff, 677 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: and and he was an abot himself with a temple, 678 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 1: and his temple gave everything away to the poor. And 679 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 1: they used their printing apparatus to like print papers and 680 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,800 Speaker 1: pamphlets for the socialists. So like if ne Jrasine printed, 681 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: you go to the Buddhist temple. And he also wrote 682 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: that the Vamperor was not divine that actually, yes, he 683 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: could trace back his lineage years to a bunch of 684 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 1: bandits who went and centralized power by killing everyone. And yes, 685 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,280 Speaker 1: I really fucking like him. And he probably had absolutely 686 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 1: nothing to do with the bomb plot, Like most of 687 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,359 Speaker 1: the stuff I read is like he was completely innocent, um, 688 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,240 Speaker 1: but he had to die because he was an anarchist Buddhist. 689 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,399 Speaker 1: But there's another version of the story that I run 690 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,320 Speaker 1: across that he had a cash of bombs, like ready 691 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: to go, and he was like, so I got the bombs, 692 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 1: Come over, I'll show you where the bombs are, you know. 693 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: And I don't quite believe that one. I think it 694 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 1: would be he'd be cool guy either way, right, Um, No, 695 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: that'd be that'd be the fiction of the totally totally. 696 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: But as he walks up to the scaffold, the records 697 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 1: say that quote, he gave not the slightest hint of 698 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: emotional distress. Rather, he appeared serene, even cheerful, so much 699 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,800 Speaker 1: that the attendant prison chaplain bowed as he passed. And 700 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 1: that's just like, well, if you're gonna be a fucking 701 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: Buddhist monk and you know, like, I don't know, it 702 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,399 Speaker 1: makes me really happy. His abbot ship was rescinded by 703 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: by his faith when he was convicted, but in the 704 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 1: soto Zen his his faith restored his status posthumously and 705 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: were like, well, actually it's really clear that he was 706 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: on the right side of history on this one. That's 707 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 1: very cool. And after these executions, Japanese socialism enters its 708 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: winter period. Uh, just cool because the winter period and 709 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: then it blooms again maybe ten years later, and activists 710 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: basically went into hibernation. Everyone who survived all of this 711 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: was like, we're gonna we're gonna take a step back 712 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 1: and figure out what's really how we're gonna handle this, 713 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 1: and we don't don't, I'll just die. All these magazines 714 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,760 Speaker 1: get shut down or they start disguising themselves as purely 715 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 1: literary journals. So yeah, like the like you're saying, you know, 716 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 1: there's just like lots of poetry, lots of your political cartoons. 717 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 1: I really appreciate that you wrote political cartoons for them. Yeah, 718 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:43,320 Speaker 1: thank you. You know, just just my hand some stuff, 719 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 1: some shown in type things and you like hit some 720 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: nice political commentary in there. But that wasn't like the point, 721 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: you know. No, it's more about the magic system, which 722 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: is weirdly revolves around explosive I couldn't tell you why. 723 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 1: But with World War One and in Japan's involvement, the 724 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,720 Speaker 1: the left blooms again. In seventeen, anarchists forms an industrial 725 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 1: union of printing and metal workers, the Faithful Friends Society. 726 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: Soon after another printing union was set up. Study groups form, 727 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 1: and you get this broad united front of socialist anarchists 728 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: working in the labor movement. Anarchism was kind of the 729 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 1: only game in town at this point for radical politics. 730 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 1: That's why I haven't like talked about communists as much. Right, 731 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,719 Speaker 1: you get you get the Communist Party in and Um, 732 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,280 Speaker 1: and this is the time period where communist and anarchists 733 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 1: really stopped being friends. And this happens there. The communists 734 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 1: run everyone out of the large labor federation. You get 735 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:45,320 Speaker 1: this Bolshevik versus anarchist split. But the crew of folks 736 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: on M I talked about next time, they don't really 737 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,879 Speaker 1: have anything to do with all that. Even though they're 738 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: anarchists there, they're not part of the Japanese labor movement. 739 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 1: Their nihilists and their Korean independence activists, and again not 740 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 1: to build her up too much, but one of them 741 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 1: is one of my favorite people of all time. Kind 742 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: of go food ma com mm hmm. So it's interesting 743 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 1: to hear when there's like groups of nihilists. I'm just like, 744 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,879 Speaker 1: what do you guys, we'll talk about it. We'll talk 745 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:16,799 Speaker 1: about it. This doesn't matter. Everybody, thanks for coming. Let's 746 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: go over the minutes of the last meeting. Everything talks. 747 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 1: I mean, apparently they would have like there's actually a 748 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: movie about the next one called Anarchists from Colony, and 749 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 1: they would have these meetings and they were like, should 750 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: we do the following. I think it was like, should 751 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,400 Speaker 1: we go like extort some people had one person's like yes, definitely, 752 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 1: and one person is like, no, we shouldn't. And then 753 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: finally someone's like, well, we should each do as our 754 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,800 Speaker 1: own individual will desires, and those who wish to go 755 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: extort people go extore people, and those who wish to 756 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:47,799 Speaker 1: don't don't. It's just gonna say, it's interesting, that's one 757 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,360 Speaker 1: way you can run it. And I thought about that. 758 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 1: So when we come back on Wednesday, I'm going to 759 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,879 Speaker 1: tell you about one of my favorite love stories and yeah, 760 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 1: the end of part one. So is it cool? Are 761 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 1: we cool? Brought? What's the vibe? Um, it's extremely cool. 762 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you guys. Um, I'm only imagining 763 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 1: these people dressing in black. Um, probably dressed like the 764 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 1: Matrix wasn't out, but they're probably dressing a little bit 765 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,840 Speaker 1: like the Matrix. Um, they've got you know, leather jackets 766 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,759 Speaker 1: and likes and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah, at least 767 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: some of them know parkour. Suga definitely learned a little 768 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: bit of parkour, just just for reasons, just like we're 769 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 1: gonna parkour this bomb into the palace or whatever. Um. 770 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,719 Speaker 1: I definitely wish I saw that mission go down. But um, 771 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,200 Speaker 1: very cool. Um, you know, being a political prisoners cool. 772 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 1: Writing poetry when you're gonna die is cool. All of 773 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,319 Speaker 1: this is very cool in goth And you know it's 774 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,239 Speaker 1: got samurai swords in it somewhere, so you know, I 775 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 1: love it. Yeah, we did it, speak speaking things that 776 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 1: are cool in goth Do you have any things you'd 777 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:03,480 Speaker 1: like to plug? Um plug not necessarily at the moment. 778 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,279 Speaker 1: I've been working on a lot of things kind of 779 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. So unless you're like an executive at 780 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,839 Speaker 1: HBO Max. I don't really have much to plug other 781 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: than if you live in l A, come see me 782 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: do stand up. I do it all the time. So 783 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,359 Speaker 1: you can check out my Instagram ao bro bro um 784 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: uh and Twitter as well too. That's where I mostly 785 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,040 Speaker 1: spend my time talking ship and hey, if you enjoy 786 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 1: talking shit, boy do I do it a lot. Um. 787 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 1: You could also check out If you're a huge nerd 788 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,319 Speaker 1: like me, you can check out my podcast The Dark 789 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,239 Speaker 1: Weep with my friend Cody. He is like an amazing writer, 790 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 1: writes for Marvel and stuff like that. Um. Yeah, that's 791 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,640 Speaker 1: pretty much it. And just you know, bea off and 792 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 1: do crimes and you know, be gay and kill people 793 00:44:54,760 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 1: or yeah, exactly cool. That's uh. We'll be back when 794 00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,799 Speaker 1: what Wednesday? Wednesday for two Yes, we will be back 795 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,920 Speaker 1: Wednesday until the heat death of the universe. Or they 796 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 1: changed the system of dates and the days of the 797 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:18,279 Speaker 1: week and you could do anything, Supreme Court. Let me 798 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,799 Speaker 1: tell you. They add a new work day to the week, 799 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 1: and they convinced the right way. That is like, no, 800 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: this isn't this great. You still get a two day weekend, 801 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 1: but you still get to work more. This is this 802 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,920 Speaker 1: is good yeah, exactly. Don't you want the gas prices 803 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 1: to come down? We're laughing, but I don't think it 804 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,080 Speaker 1: sounds that unrealistic. No, it really doesn't, It really doesn't. 805 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:50,400 Speaker 1: It's too real. We're laughing in a way that's going 806 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 1: to sound queens by the time this comes out. And 807 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,719 Speaker 1: they actually added three days to the week, and two 808 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 1: of them you have to work in one of them. 809 00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 1: You're just in jail. Yeah, yeah, loves jail day. You 810 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 1: don't you hate America? What are you doing on jail day? Oh? Yeah, 811 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:14,839 Speaker 1: that's right. I want to hang out. No, I'm in jail. Yeah, 812 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:22,879 Speaker 1: I can't. I see you all soon. Cool People Who 813 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,440 Speaker 1: Did Cool Stuff is a production of cool Zone Media. 814 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,640 Speaker 1: For more podcasts on cool Zone Media, visit our website 815 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,200 Speaker 1: cool zone media dot com, or check us out on 816 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,239 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 817 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:35,279 Speaker 1: get your podcasts.