1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:01,040 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 2: When I was growing up, I never really focused on 3 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 2: a plan B. And I know that from my generation. 4 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 2: You grow up with people telling you, well, what if 5 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 2: it doesn't work, what if it doesn't happen, you need 6 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 2: to have a plan B. I never focused on that 7 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,159 Speaker 2: because my Plan A meant so much to me, and 8 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 2: also that Plan A can evolve over time. 9 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us for this virtual edition of the 10 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 3: Taking a Walk Podcast. Buzznight's special guest is the lead 11 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 3: singer from the multi platinum chart topping rock band that 12 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 3: continues to build a legacy decades after it was formed. 13 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 3: Brent Smith once said that as a band, Shine Down 14 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 3: has only one boss, it just happens to be everyone 15 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 3: in the audience. Brent Smith will take you on a 16 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 3: journey that will bring you behind the scenes of one 17 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 3: of America's great rock bands, Shine Down, as he joins 18 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 3: buzz Night next on Taking a Walk. 19 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 4: All right, well, Brent, congratulations on your success and the 20 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 4: legacy you and the band continue to build. 21 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah. 22 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 2: I we try to keep the mentality of don't ever 23 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: arrive in this industry. It's not about the arrival, It's 24 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: about the journey more than anything. 25 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: But thank you. I appreciate it. 26 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 4: I mean, I know your music and you're touring obviously 27 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 4: or something you're very proud of. But where in the 28 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 4: let's call it the hierarchy of pride do you put 29 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 4: your work with the mental health community. 30 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: At the very top? At the very top? 31 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: You know, I'm in a band that is known for 32 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: being a very lyrical band. We spend a lot of 33 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: time on the message in the songs that we write 34 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: in the studio, and for me, I'm also in a 35 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: band that's been you know, we've been talking about mental 36 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 2: health for the better part of two decades. So now 37 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: seeing how it is being spoken about more and being 38 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: brought to the forefront because as human beings we evolved. 39 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: You know, the world that we're in now is everybody 40 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 2: has a platform in regards to social media, and so 41 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 2: I think that the most important thing in regards to 42 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: mental health and why that's so important is that should 43 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: be something that is looked at and talked about during 44 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: your lifetime because it's your journey. You have to I 45 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: think for the longest time, people were made to feel 46 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 2: embarrassed or ashamed because maybe they started to feel different 47 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: as they were growing as an individual. And what have you, 48 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 2: and some of that can be scary at times, and 49 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: when you don't feel as if you can talk to 50 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: somebody about that, it can be very, very detrimental to 51 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: your psyche. And I think the mental health aspect of 52 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 2: what Shine Down does is we give everybody a platform 53 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 2: to talk about it, to let them know you're a 54 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 2: work in progress. It's okay, but you can't be quiet 55 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: about it. I mean, the bravest thing you can do 56 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 2: a lot of times is speak up and not be silent. 57 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: So I would put it at the top. 58 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 4: How are you able to be so transparent about it? 59 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: I listen a lot, I'm aware of my surroundings. I 60 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: don't necessarily have to be the first person in the 61 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: conversation to speak because I'm trying to understand what someone 62 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: is going through. I'm trying to understand what the situation is. Like, 63 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: I started writing songs because I had something to say. 64 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: I didn't start writing songs because I wanted to be famous. 65 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,839 Speaker 2: I think that's kind of at the core a really 66 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: important element of being a songwriter, at least from the 67 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: way that I look at things. But I also genuinely 68 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: care about people and in the band, our fan base 69 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 2: has given us a platform to be ourselves, and we 70 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: want them to be themselves as well. And inside of 71 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: that too, I think my perspective also comes from I 72 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: grew up kind of hard in regards to people not 73 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: necessarily understanding what I was about because I was a 74 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: bit different than everyone. 75 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: I was very very. 76 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 2: Words were always a big deal to me from the 77 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: moment I could write, and I also have always been 78 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: able to put my thoughts into a song format, even 79 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: before I knew what a song was. I used to 80 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 2: write poems when I was really young, not really knowing 81 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 2: what that was. 82 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: And then I always had a melody. Every day I 83 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: would wake up. 84 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: There was always a different thing going on in my mind, 85 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: and I was always creating something. 86 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm just very aware of my surroundings. 87 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 4: Did you share that poetry with anybody at that point 88 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 4: in your life? 89 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: Not at the at the age that I started. I mean, 90 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: I think I started writing. What I can remember is 91 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: probably at ten years old is when I started to 92 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 2: really kind of figure. 93 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: Out what was going on. 94 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: And then I mean as I entered as I entered 95 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: high school, I kind of started hanging out with a 96 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 2: different crowd, and they were a lot more. I was 97 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 2: kind of a goth when I was in high school, 98 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: but I was but I was broad. And what I 99 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: mean by that is I just hung out with a 100 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 2: lot of artistic people because I was. My dad had 101 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 2: me in sports at a young age, and I was 102 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 2: pretty good at baseball and basketball. And I remember I 103 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 2: turned fifteen and I told my dad, I, Dad, I 104 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: don't want place for us anymore. And I think it 105 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 2: crushed him in a lot of ways. And my dad 106 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: is amazing on so many levels. And definitely my mom 107 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: and my dad are probably my two biggest fans in 108 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 2: the world. But although it might have not necessarily disappointed 109 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: my dad, he was just not aware of this artistic 110 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: side of his son because I kind of kept it 111 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: from him because I didn't know how he's going to 112 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: react to it. But when I told him and I 113 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 2: started to express myself, he basically said, you know, what 114 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 2: all I ever want you to be is authentic. I 115 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: want you to be real. That's that's the biggest thing 116 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: that I can teach you, son, is how. 117 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: To be authentic. So that helped out a lot. 118 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 2: But I think that you know, when I was I 119 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 2: remember showing some of my poetry to my dad, and 120 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 2: my dad kind of be kind of taken aback by it, 121 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: didn't really like I think he like when I showed 122 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 2: it to him in the beginning, he looked at it 123 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: and I was thinking to myself, he's gonna think this 124 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: is garbage. You know, he's not gonna get it. And 125 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: I think his expression was more of when I first 126 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: showed it to him that he was he was a 127 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: bit more like a light bulb went off because he 128 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 2: had found a connection there also with his son, because 129 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: I think he felt, wow, this is this is insightful. 130 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 2: For a fifteen year old kid, This is insightful, very 131 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: mature in a lot of ways. 132 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: So yeah, I remember showing. 133 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 2: Some of it to my dad, and you know, as 134 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: I was hanging out with a more of an artsy 135 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 2: group of people. 136 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: They encouraged me. That was what was cool about it. 137 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: Not that my friends that were in sports and and 138 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: all that. 139 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 2: You know, I didn't like to stop being friends with 140 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 2: the people that I you know, played and you know, 141 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: played with in sports and things like that. 142 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: It's just I was finding myself. 143 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: I was really opening myself up to a lot of 144 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: different experiences. 145 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 4: Was there a defining moment where you knew that music 146 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 4: was going to be your life. 147 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: Somehow I knew from birth. I know some people are like, how, 148 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 2: you know, how is that? I just can't ever remember 149 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: not being completely captivated by songs. You know, music is 150 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 2: one thing, but songs I build that into. 151 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: You know, if it's a. 152 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 2: If you're listening to like classical music, or you were 153 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: listening to instrumentation, the center stage is the instruments, but 154 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 2: a song, there's a message in that because there's lyrics 155 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: and a melody. So ever since I can remember, I 156 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 2: was fascinated by songs and what the language was and 157 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 2: what was going on. And you know, as I got again, 158 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 2: I love words and I love being able to create, 159 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: you know, those those different atmospheres and those different situations. 160 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 2: And again too, if I think about it more so now, 161 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: I also started writing songs, I believe because it was 162 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 2: going to be cheaper than therapy, so I could just 163 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: kind of I don want to be super ethereal and 164 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 2: say like, I kind of figured out ways to heal 165 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 2: myself by just being very vocal about how I felt 166 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: because I could always put it down on paper and 167 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 2: for whatever reason, I could sing it out That's another 168 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: thing too. 169 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: I was very vocal from the moment I entered the earth. 170 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 2: My mother would tell you that she was always like, 171 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: he had no problems letting you know he was in 172 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 2: the room, And I am extremely grateful that from the 173 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: moment I entered the earth. I also always had a 174 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 2: an idea of what I wanted to do and what 175 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: I wanted to be like. I never really struggled with that. 176 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: I always wanted to be a performer. I knew I 177 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 2: wanted to be a singer. I felt like I could 178 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 2: have a real opportunity, and I felt like I was 179 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: good enough to be able to write and come up 180 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: with my own original material. So I always had a direction. 181 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 2: So I feel really lucky about that. My granny used 182 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 2: to tell me all the time. She still tells me 183 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: to this day. Find something you love, son, and you will. 184 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: Never work a day in your life. 185 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 4: You know Desmond Child, who I know you worked with, 186 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 4: the great songwriter. He talked about on this podcast that 187 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 4: he sort of feels there's a role for him to 188 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 4: give people hope. And I feel like that's very similar 189 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 4: to your view of the world. 190 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 2: Would you agree, Yeah, because we all understand the negative 191 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 2: is not going anywhere. 192 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: It's always going to be there. 193 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 2: It's something that I think that as human beings, you know, 194 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 2: we all share the human condition with each other, but 195 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 2: we're all connected to one another. And there are moments 196 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: in the day with me where I see again talking 197 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 2: about how technologically advanced we are and how everybody has 198 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: a platform with social media and what have you. I 199 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:32,599 Speaker 2: just try to lean more towards the positivity on a 200 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 2: daily basis, because I don't want people to give up 201 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: because it's not happening for them right this second. 202 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that it won't happen. 203 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is whatever you want 204 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 2: for your life, whatever you want your life to be, 205 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: whatever direction you're going towards, it's important to fill people 206 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 2: with confidence. I'm not saying you ain't going to have 207 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 2: to work for it, but that's the journey inside of 208 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 2: it too. You have to work for it. I've said 209 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 2: this before. When I was growing up, I never really 210 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: focused on a plan B. And I know that from 211 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: my generation. You grow up with people telling you, well, 212 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: what if it doesn't work, what if it doesn't happen, 213 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: you need to have a plan B. I never focused 214 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 2: on that because my plan A meant so much to me. 215 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 2: And also that plan A can evolve over time. And 216 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 2: I think sometimes people too, They get really afraid of 217 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 2: a specific thing, which is called failure. I don't want 218 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 2: to fail. What happens if I fail? You need to fail. 219 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 2: You need to fail a lot. 220 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: You got to. 221 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 2: I encourage people to fail because it teaches you what 222 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: to do next time, or it gives you a different 223 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 2: perspective of the architecture that you're trying to build for 224 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 2: your own life. But I tell you this, your life 225 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 2: and your legacy won't be built by your failures. Your 226 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 2: life and your legacy will be built by the fact 227 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: that you refuse to give up. 228 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: That's the whole point. Like, just don't give up. 229 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 2: And if it takes you a minute to figure out 230 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 2: what your plan A is, that's okay, but go after that. 231 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: And as far as the. 232 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 2: Negativity and all that that we see in the world, 233 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what, there's enough of it. 234 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: I get it. 235 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 2: It's not going anywhere. So I try to be more 236 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: of a positive reinforcement. 237 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 4: Well, we're going to talk about music and the connection 238 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 4: of that and healing on our Music Save Me Podcasts 239 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 4: with Lynn Hoffman where you'll be guesting on that. But 240 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 4: I did want to go back to Desmond Child. Yeah, 241 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 4: what was it like writing with him? And what did 242 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 4: you learn from him? 243 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 2: Man? That was a tornado of like brand new. It 244 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: was so wild Man, because we the band that I 245 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 2: was signed to Atlantic with first we got an opportunity 246 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 2: to go to Nashville and work with him. And you 247 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: know what's interesting about it, Like we wrote a song 248 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 2: and the song was Okay, you know again this is 249 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 2: Desmond Child. He I mean one thing, but that's the 250 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 2: whole thing. It was Desmond Child. And I think Desmond 251 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 2: spent more time with me during those two days of really, 252 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 2: yes we were working on a song, Yes we were 253 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 2: in a recording like multimillion dollar recording studio and all that, 254 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: But I spent more time with Desmond asking him questions 255 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: just about songwriting and the music industry and life on 256 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: the road and all the artists that he works with, 257 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 2: and how he goes in and looks at each individual 258 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: artist differently, and he's not necessarily writing for himself. He's 259 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: trying to put himself in the same environment as that 260 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 2: person that he's writing with, and this whole element as 261 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 2: a songwriter is also to get that artist to talk 262 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 2: to him when they're trying to to figure out what 263 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 2: they want to write about. And there's a lot of 264 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: psychology involved. And I learned in that short period of time. 265 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 2: Those two days really had an impact on me because 266 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 2: he kind of gave me a sounding board in a 267 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 2: lot of ways to once again, don't stop asking questions, 268 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: know when to stop listen and keep your eyes and 269 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 2: ears open, but also to remember that songwriting and music 270 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: in general, it's constantly evolving. 271 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: He was fantastic. I gotta I gotta find a way. 272 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 2: To reach out to him too, because it's been twenty five, 273 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: twenty six years since that moment in time. But I did. 274 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 2: I learned a great deal from him in those forty 275 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: eight hours. 276 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 4: We'll be right back with more of the Taking a 277 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 4: Walk Podcast. 278 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 279 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 4: I want to talk about Jelly Roll, who's been a 280 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 4: guest on these podcasts as well. Yeah, how did you 281 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 4: find his music and how does it make you feel 282 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 4: that both of you, meaning you and the band Shine 283 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 4: Down and Jelly Role defy categorization. 284 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, if there is a person on 285 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: this planet that deserves the amount of overwhelming and extremely 286 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 2: earned success. It is jelly Roll, that guy. I'm gonna 287 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: tell you what jelly Roll is. Jelly role is necessary. 288 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 2: I mean, because it didn't happen overnight for him. It 289 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: didn't happen overnight for us either. But you know, the 290 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 2: path that he has created for himself is because he 291 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 2: has been patient yet grinding so hard for his entire 292 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 2: career and his entire life up until this point. Seeing 293 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 2: him win these awards and seeing him be brought to 294 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: the forefront that didn't happen overnight by any stretch of 295 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 2: the imagination. And to see the Billboard nominations, to see 296 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 2: him win New Artists of the Year at the CMA's 297 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 2: the other night, to see I believe he has six 298 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 2: Grammy nominations. I'm just unbelievably, or I should say not unbelievable. 299 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 2: I am so believably proud of this guy because he 300 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 2: deserves it. And you know when I met him, well, 301 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 2: how I got introduced to him was honestly, I was 302 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 2: on YouTube one day and I think I was probably 303 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 2: one of the first people to watch the live version 304 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 2: of him in the studio for the song Saved Me. 305 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 2: I think I remember being I think it had like 306 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand views when I watched it 307 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 2: for the first time, and I was just complete, deletely 308 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 2: floored by it. I think it's up to like almost 309 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 2: three hundred million views now. But again, it was very genuine, 310 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 2: it was very unique. And again going back to that 311 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 2: realism and that authenticity that I was talking about a 312 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: minute ago. 313 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: You know that my dad told me like focused on 314 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: being authentic. 315 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 2: That is the prime example of where I watched something 316 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 2: for the first time, not knowing who he was, never 317 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 2: hearing his voice, and obviously I went down a very 318 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 2: unique rabbit hole after I watched that because you see 319 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 2: that he's multi formatted. You see that it's you know, 320 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 2: and the way I feel about it is the exact 321 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 2: same way he does. It's not about rap music, rock music, 322 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 2: metal music, pop music, country music, you know, R and 323 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 2: B gospel, It's about all music. It's about not being 324 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 2: pigeonholed and not being put into a box. 325 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: You know, you don't want to handcuff yourself creatively. 326 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 2: And for me and him, I met him and I 327 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 2: think it was twenty twenty one, Yeah, it was twenty 328 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 2: twenty one at Blue Ridge festival and he was on 329 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 2: the same day that we were, and so we went 330 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: to him early in the day. 331 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: I knew he was going to be there, had never 332 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: met him before. Zach actually our guitar player, Zach Myers. 333 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 2: I actually didn't know this, but he knew him a 334 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 2: little bit just from the Tennessee you know the link 335 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 2: up because I'm from Naxville, Tennessee. Zach's from Memphis, Tennessee. 336 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 2: Jellyus from Antioch, so there was a Tennessee connection there. 337 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 2: And so I met him and we were just talking 338 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 2: about music, and I was talking to him about Save 339 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 2: Me and how just blown away I was by that. 340 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 2: And then I just said, Hey, you want to come 341 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 2: up on stage with us tonight and do simple Man? 342 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 2: And he was like really, and I was like yeah, 343 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: and he That's the great thing about Jelly. He is 344 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 2: down for anything, and he's such a wealth of knowledge 345 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 2: mentally when it comes to again, just all kinds of 346 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 2: music and all kinds of songs. 347 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: That's a steal trap he's got. 348 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 2: And so he comes up and we do the song together, 349 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 2: and it gets filmed and it. 350 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: Goes out on YouTube. 351 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: I think it's up to like six or seven million 352 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 2: views and this is just like a phone recording of it, 353 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: you know. And our videographer, Sanjay, he was on stage 354 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,959 Speaker 2: filming it as well, but that got put out. I 355 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 2: got his number, we started talking to each other, and 356 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 2: then at the beginning of last year, probably February of 357 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: last year, I just kind of made a decision. I 358 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 2: knew what the touring schedule was gonna be for us 359 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 2: and kind of what we wanted to do and how 360 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 2: we wanted to build it out. So I called him 361 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: and I said, would you be main support for our 362 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 2: Revolutions Live tour in the fall? It's about forty two shows, 363 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 2: it's all amphitheaters, and you'd be main support. And he 364 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 2: was at the time. He just was like, are you serious? 365 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 2: And I said, yeah, we'd be honored. So we took 366 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 2: another awesome young man too at that time, John Harvey. 367 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 2: So but when I went to everybody at the label 368 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 2: and management, and I understood why they were a little 369 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 2: hesitant because they didn't know who he was. 370 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: But I told everybody, got to remember this is. 371 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 2: Last year in February for a fall tour, and I said, 372 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 2: we're going to bring John Harvey and Jelly roll with us. 373 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: This fall, and everybody was like who, And I said, 374 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 2: you're just going to need to trust me. 375 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,239 Speaker 1: And do the rest is history. You know, it's uh. 376 00:21:58,600 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: And he would come out. 377 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 2: Every night and do simple Man with us, and Zach 378 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 2: would go out on his set and they do ninety 379 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 2: nine Problems jay Z because like Jelly set was so 380 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: amazing and just the like just a corner copy of 381 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 2: all kinds of music and styles and everything, so. 382 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: They're super super rapp man. 383 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 2: That was one of the funnest times on tour that 384 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 2: I have had in the last twenty years is going 385 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 2: out there with him and being a part of that 386 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,719 Speaker 2: and watching his rise. And again going back to your 387 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: question about the multi format and the broadening of that, 388 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 2: I have never been in a band that, in regards 389 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 2: to Shinedown. From day one, I never wanted the music 390 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 2: to be put into a box. And again it goes 391 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 2: back to me and Jelly would have a lot of 392 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: discussions about that on the road with each other. Again 393 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 2: going back to you can have country influences and rock 394 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 2: influences and pop influences and alternative and all that. You 395 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: shouldn't be categorized and just staying in one lane. And 396 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 2: I think the future for a lot of artists, if 397 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 2: we can be anything to help with that. As we 398 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 2: move forward in music, you know that pendulum constantly swings 399 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 2: back and forth, but you don't have to as an artist. 400 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 2: You shouldn't be put into or pigeonholed into being you 401 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 2: can only go down this road. You can only do 402 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 2: this kind of music. If you're known for this, you 403 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 2: can't do anything else. And that's just not true. You 404 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 2: should be able to be diverse. You should be able 405 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 2: to evolve. You know, music is powerful and as you 406 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 2: as you move forward in your career again, you've got 407 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 2: to keep your eyes and your ears open, but also too, 408 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: you should be inspired at different times in your career 409 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 2: with different styles of music. You should always be open minded. 410 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 2: That's the big that's the point, is to be open minded. 411 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 4: Well, you preside over one of America's biggest and best 412 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 4: rock bands, that's true, and. 413 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: So you've proud of it. 414 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 4: And you should be. And you see and continue to 415 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 4: see great success. What do you tell somebody like Jelly 416 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 4: Role who's experiencing this tremendous rise and amazing success, what 417 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 4: do you tell him to keep him in check and 418 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 4: have it be something where you don't lose perspective. 419 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest with you, He's doing fantastic in 420 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 2: regards to what you're talking about from a psychological standpoint 421 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 2: and handling everything that's going on in his life right 422 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 2: now and in his world. He's doing a fantastic job 423 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 2: at that because that's just who he is. He's really 424 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 2: really gifted, and he's also really smart, because again he 425 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 2: continues to ask questions, he continues to We have a 426 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 2: saying in Shineedown, which is, you can't make it about 427 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 2: the painter. You have to make it about the painting. 428 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 2: So you have to look at the big picture. And 429 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 2: I mean, I remember when last year when we were 430 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 2: on tour together, we talked a lot about because at 431 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 2: the time that I believe that was really the first 432 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 2: time he had gone out on a tour where it 433 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,719 Speaker 2: was like consecutive weeks in a row. You know, we 434 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 2: were out there for like almost ten weeks together. And 435 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 2: one of the biggest things that I told him just 436 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 2: from a performance standpoint, because he had not really done 437 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 2: that kind of a schedule. And we talked really really 438 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 2: early on too, before we even got out on the 439 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 2: road with each other. The two biggest things that I 440 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: told him was from a physical standpoint, your voice is 441 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 2: something that you cannot plug in. It's not like you 442 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 2: can break a string and restring it. It's not like 443 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 2: if you you know, you're a drummer, you drop a 444 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 2: stick real quick and just grab another one. Your body 445 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 2: is your temple, so your voice has to be healthy. 446 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 2: So you can't go out at night a bunch at 447 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 2: you know, you know, and party and this and that 448 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,959 Speaker 2: and the other, like loud bars or this and that. 449 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 2: You gotta remember when you're on tour. If you go 450 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 2: out and you yell all night because you're having a 451 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 2: good time or what have you, you're gonna wake up 452 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 2: and you're not gonna have a voice. And the other 453 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 2: thing was I told him was water, water, water, water, water, 454 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: And I think at the time he was like, how 455 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 2: much water do I need to drink? I'm like a lot, 456 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 2: because you there's that physicality of that. 457 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: When you're on the road. 458 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 2: And what's awesome is that I know that he listened 459 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 2: to me during that time because when he goes on 460 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 2: the road. He just got done with a completely sold 461 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 2: out tour. I think it was sixty four shows and 462 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 2: everyone was sold out like and these are huge buildings. 463 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 2: These are like twenty thousand capacity, twenty five thousand capacities. 464 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: Every one of them sold out. 465 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 2: But if you notice in that timeframe that he was 466 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 2: out on that tour, you know, he did social media 467 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 2: and you would kind of get a recap from the 468 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 2: shows and this and the other, but he wasn't on 469 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: social media a lot during that time because he was 470 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 2: taking care of himself. He was resting his voice, he 471 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 2: was doing what he needed to do. But he's got it, man, 472 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 2: he knows what he's doing. He's been waiting his whole 473 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 2: life for this man, and he you know, I just 474 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 2: I'm just unbelieved. 475 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: I'm just so happy for this guy. 476 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 2: Man, I really really am. He has such an incredible future. 477 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 2: He's he's also showing the public. That speech he did 478 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 2: the other night at the CMAS, he full on preached 479 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 2: to in one minute, Man gave the most rousing and 480 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 2: inspiring speech for winning Best New Artists of the Year 481 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 2: at the CMAS. He's locked and loaded. Man, he knows 482 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 2: what he's doing. 483 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 4: Congratulations on the Crossroad, the crossover success of Symptom of 484 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 4: Being Human. 485 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, still working on it. 486 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 4: My goodness, gracious that song is stunning. 487 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: Thank you. 488 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 4: It is just amazing using the lyrics invitation to the 489 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 4: to the lunatic ball. I mean, that's an amazing song. 490 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 4: Can you tell me about the creation of that and 491 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 4: how it makes you feel on how that song is 492 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 4: connecting with people. 493 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think I have a you know, 494 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 2: I have a tendency to get long winded. But with 495 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 2: that particular song. We wrote that song in the midst 496 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 2: of a pandemic, when we knew that people were scared 497 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 2: and afraid and frustrated and angry and confused with everything 498 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 2: that was. 499 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: Going on in the world. 500 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 2: And when I arrived in South Carolina with Eric, our 501 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 2: bass player. 502 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: Another thing too that people may not know. 503 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 2: So Eric bass who's our bass player, who's probably a 504 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 2: bass player laughed. 505 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: In all reality. 506 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 2: The last two albums, Attention Attention and Planet Zero, he 507 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:55,239 Speaker 2: has produced, engineered, and mixed both full length records. So 508 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 2: when I arrived in South Carolina with him, this was 509 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 2: June of twenty twenty, you know, I remember that song 510 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 2: was a gift. It really was, And you don't get 511 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 2: gifts when you're making an album all the time. They're 512 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 2: actually very very rare, And what a gift is is 513 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 2: when you're in the studio and you're working on a 514 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,959 Speaker 2: record and you're writing new material. A gift is a 515 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 2: song that really, in a lot of ways, it writes itself. 516 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 2: It kind of utilizes you as a vessel in order 517 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 2: to be born. Because I remember the song came very quick. 518 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 2: The lyrics came in a flood, like I just remember 519 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 2: I was kind of holding on while we were writing it, 520 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 2: myself and Eric, and then you know, taking a step 521 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 2: back when we looked at it before I went in 522 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 2: to do the vocals, I'm reading the lyrics and I'm 523 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 2: looking at the structure of the song and how it 524 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 2: was laid out. And I mean, we wrote that song 525 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 2: in an afternoon, and I did the vocal that you 526 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: hear on the album that made the actual record, because 527 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 2: we don't really do demos anymore, like when we write 528 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 2: a song, we go in there and we're recording it 529 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 2: for real nine times out of ten. But we wrote 530 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 2: it in an afternoon and I sang the vocal that 531 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 2: evening and that's the vocal that you hear on the track. 532 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 2: And again, it was a song that I feel it 533 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 2: needed to be It wanted to be born, so badly 534 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 2: that it utilized us as a vessel so that it 535 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 2: could present itself to the public. And the overwhelming response 536 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 2: from people with that song in particular has been humbling, 537 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 2: It really really has. And again it's a song about 538 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 2: understanding that we're all work in progress. You know, life 539 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 2: is the journey. You're not promised tomorrow, and you have 540 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 2: to focus on what you're doing today. But at times 541 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 2: the world can be an interesting place to navigated and 542 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 2: it's going to throw a lot of different curve balls 543 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 2: at you and you have to figure out a way 544 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 2: to navigate that in life. 545 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: But for me it was a gift. 546 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 2: I think in our career in Shineedown there's only really 547 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 2: been three gifts. Forty five on the first record was 548 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 2: a gift, and second Chance on the Sound of Maddness 549 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 2: album was a gift. Those two songs were written quite quickly, 550 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 2: and when you know, you take a step back and 551 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 2: you look, you're like, did I write this? You know, 552 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 2: you're kind of stunned by it, and it's been a minute. 553 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 2: And the symptom I would say would be number three. 554 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: You know, they don't come often, man, so when they 555 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 2: when they come, you're very grateful for them. 556 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 4: Well in closing, what are you still learning these days? 557 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: What about? 558 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 2: That's an interesting question to be put in that and 559 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 2: be presented like that. 560 00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: Not to sound. 561 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 2: If if I'm if I'm continuing to learn anything. It 562 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 2: is quite frankly to keep learning, like to not think that, 563 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 2: you know again like don't arise, Like don't don't don't 564 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 2: worry about the arrival, you know, focus on the journey. 565 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 2: I think that I'm learning that the younger generation. I 566 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 2: think a lot of people I see them, and I 567 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 2: mean this from a creative standpoint, that the younger generation 568 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 2: is really gifted and really talented, and we need to 569 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 2: help guide them, you know, forward and and and not 570 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 2: be so mean spirited and really focus that for the 571 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 2: future of. 572 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: All of us, you know. 573 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 2: Look for for me, when I think about the rock 574 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 2: and roll sensibility and the community that is rock and roll, 575 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 2: this is what I've learned and what I continue to learn. 576 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 2: I've never looked at rock and roll as a genre 577 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 2: of music. I've always looked at rock and roll as 578 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 2: a way of life. I remember when ice Cube got 579 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 2: inducted into the Rock and Roll of Fame with NWA. 580 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 2: He walked up to that podium and the very first 581 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 2: thing he said was rock and roll. 582 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: Is the spirit and it's an honor to be here. 583 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 2: And that's what I mean, man, where the rock and 584 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 2: roll community is so inviting and welcoming because it is 585 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 2: for everybody. It doesn't matter. Listen, anyone from anywhere at 586 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 2: any time is welcomed all the time in the rock 587 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 2: and roll community. And it's about being diverse, and it's 588 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 2: about being open minded, and it's about not always needing 589 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 2: the platform to speak or to yell what you want 590 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 2: to say to the world. 591 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to take a. 592 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 2: Step back and listen to people and really be aware 593 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 2: that we're all human beings and we're all connected, and 594 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 2: we share this planet with a lot of other creatures, 595 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 2: you know, and we should be respectful of that. I 596 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 2: think the biggest thing that I learn is that I 597 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 2: just want to see, especially for Shindown in what we 598 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 2: do as rock and roll ambassadors, that you've got to 599 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 2: remember something. 600 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: This is something that's key. 601 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if you're a man or a woman, 602 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 2: and it doesn't matter if you're younger or you're older. 603 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 2: The color of your skin, that's irrelevant. Your religion, that's 604 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 2: your business, that's up to you. That's what makes you 605 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 2: an individual, and that's what makes you original. 606 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: And it's that support for each other. 607 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 2: It's that understanding that we should all evolve together, but 608 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 2: that we should focus more on supporting each other as 609 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 2: much as we possibly can. So, if anything, I'm just 610 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,280 Speaker 2: trying to learn as much as I can on this journey, 611 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 2: and when I I can do it, teach somebody what 612 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 2: I've learned. 613 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: Well. Thank you for all that you continue to give us. 614 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: Thank you for the opportunity. 615 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 4: Congratulations for being not only one of America's great rock bands, 616 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 4: but one of the best global rock bands shined down. 617 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: Thank you so so much. I'm honored to be here. 618 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 2: That means the world to me, and thank you for 619 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 2: giving me the time today. 620 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: This has been an absolute blast. 621 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 622 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 3: Walk podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends 623 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 3: and follow us so you never miss an episode. 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