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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, twin sisters, a bond like

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Speaker 1: no other. Tonight, one twin sister dead, one sister searching

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Speaker 2: I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us.

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Speaker 3: A gorgeous twenty three year old makes a final stop

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Speaker 2: That stop changes everything.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, this is a giant food on your quote.

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Speaker 5: You're a black man, when I want to sell you,

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Speaker 5: when he could drive away, Sapa has shot fard six

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Speaker 5: four three on your own playing calls with booth or

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Speaker 5: she had several shots, Lawrence, give a female fus you

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Speaker 5: our family camping, I has good shot. Okay, so Bey

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Speaker 6: All over one minute?

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Speaker 2: What happened to this beautiful girl?

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Speaker 1: Now did separating two twin sisters forever joining us Tonight

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Jinny Carrey, still searching for justice for her sister, Jody, Jenny,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Tell me, tell us

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Speaker 1: all about when you learned something horrible had happened.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 7: And I just got really emotional for a second. So

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Speaker 7: I was living out west in California and we had

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Speaker 7: been separated for a little while, and we talked to

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Speaker 7: regularly sell each other regularly, and I got I was engaged,

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Speaker 7: and my fiancee walked into the door and said I

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Speaker 7: And he walked in and said Jodie's dead, and just

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Speaker 7: just you know, I just couldn't I couldn't cope. I

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Jenny Careery joining us the twin sister. Twin sister

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Speaker 1: of Jenny. Question, Jenny, I'm very curious that you had

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Speaker 7: I had been worried about her because she was having

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Speaker 1: Genny, you stated that you guys both had trouble growing

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Speaker 7: What happened My sister and I started down that path

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Speaker 7: of struggling with eating disorders, and I was trying to

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Speaker 1: What type of eating disorder did you guys develop?

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Speaker 7: We both had anorexia blimia when started when we were thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Jenny, you have earlier stated that you and your sister

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Speaker 1: Jodi were sex abused as well, by whom.

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Speaker 7: Our next door neighbor. We were living on the Naval Academy.

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Speaker 7: My father was an officer there, and we were in

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Speaker 1: To doctor Joni Johnson, joining US forensic psychologist performing risk assessments.

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Speaker 1: Author of multiple books, including Appearance Obsession, Learning to Love

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Speaker 1: the Way You Look and Fight Your Fright, a holistic

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Speaker 1: approach to understanding and overcoming anxiety. Doctor Jon Johnston, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for being with us. Number one, How

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Speaker 1: does being raised by an alcoholic father throughout your formative

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Speaker 1: To try and fathom what Jody lived through as a child,

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Speaker 1: How did this gorgeous young girl who had overcome the

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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, this is the giant food on your quote.

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Speaker 5: The black man want a work, sell you and hit

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Speaker 5: She had several shots. Laurence give a female such a

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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: Jody's twin sister joining me Cheryl McCollum, founder and director

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Speaker 2: Tell me what.

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Speaker 9: Happened, Nancy. She pulls into this parking lot. She's by herself.

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Speaker 9: It's empty. It's about three o'clock in the morning. A

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Speaker 1: It seems so random. In addition to Cheryl McCollum, forensics expert,

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the area where this occurred.

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Speaker 6: Well, the area was just right at the city county

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Speaker 6: very middle class, very nice area. At Towson University, a

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Speaker 1: To Jinny Careery, this is Jody's twin sister. What did

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Speaker 7: And at that time they were speaking with my father,

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Speaker 7: who was a state's attorney and another county who actually

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Speaker 7: So that's a whole other story. But like I said,

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Speaker 7: She was really scared of everything, just had a lot

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Speaker 1: Out on the road late at night was very uncharacteristic.

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Speaker 7: Yes, yes, And to go sit in a dark parking

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Speaker 2: No, none of it makes any sense.

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Speaker 1: A woman sitting in her own car, minding her own

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Speaker 1: Why can't we find the purp?

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Speaker 2: What more do we know about that night?

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Speaker 3: Listen, Jody Lacorneo was able to get her car across

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Speaker 3: to her surprise, the gunman follows Jody and parks directly

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Speaker 1: and star of his oone seven podcasts, Cheryl, I don't

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Speaker 1: This lady, young girl or young woman, minding your own

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Speaker 1: You know, Jeff abel joining US reporter, investigative reporter in

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Speaker 2: You've poured through this case with a fine tooth comb, and.

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Speaker 1: I really resent a spursions being cast on Jody, who

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Speaker 1: was doing nothing wrong. She goes out with friends after work.

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Speaker 1: How many times after a really horrible day at the

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Speaker 1: up at a place called Manual's Tavern. Everybody went there

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Speaker 2: And yeah, a lot of them would.

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Speaker 1: Drink to deal with what they had been doing all

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Speaker 1: day long time moless stations or rapes, tortures, murders, you

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Speaker 1: name it.

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Speaker 2: This girl minding her own business.

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Speaker 1: You've got to tell me something, Jeff, What can you

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Speaker 1: tell me about this parking lot? And what I don't get?

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Speaker 1: Don't we have pictures of the vehicle? Shouldn't we be

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Speaker 6: There were a lot of breakdowns that night when it

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Speaker 6: His looks. You know, he's about six ' one and

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Speaker 6: about two two hundred and twenty pounds, but that's about it.

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Speaker 6: There were security cameras in the area, and not all

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Speaker 1: You know the photos that we've got, Jeff, Abel have

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Speaker 2: Her car is the white Honda.

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Speaker 1: His car, the purpse car, is this white BMW, And

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Speaker 1: every photo I've got has the tag blurred out.

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Speaker 2: I can't see the tag. It's really hard for me

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Speaker 1: I can see the BMW insignia, but nobody can make

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Speaker 2: That's total bs, Jeff.

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Speaker 6: It's hard for everyone to believe when this happened. I

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Speaker 6: Her father was the state's attorney and an adjoining county

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Speaker 6: This thing will get solved in record time, but we

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Speaker 1: This is Jodie's sister, her twin sister, Jenny Carey. Jenny

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Speaker 1: I don't understand why that tag number is blunt out,

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Speaker 2: Plate, right Nancy.

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Speaker 7: As Jeff has been saying, I mean, it's just a

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Speaker 7: perfect storm of nothing done right. It was mishandled. We

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Speaker 7: it was, it was. It was a whole another not

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Speaker 7: I mean nothing, They didn't want to give us any information.

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Speaker 7: them in People magazine, Like it's just the way they've

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Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle Dupree, renowned forensic pathologist, medical examiner, former detective,

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Speaker 1: and author of multiple books, including Money, Mischief and Murdered

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Speaker 1: The Murdoch Dynasty the rest of the story, and for

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Speaker 1: my purposes, my favorite book of hers is The Homicide

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Speaker 1: Investigation Field Guide, Doctor dupre thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Doctor.

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Speaker 1: Could you explain what Jody Lacorne went through in her

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Speaker 1: last moments. Her spine was shattered, yet she was still

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Speaker 10: No, Nancy, this would have been horrifying. I'm sure she

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Speaker 10: I want to say the two things that one is,

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Speaker 2: I hope all.

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Speaker 10: Of this evidence is being rerun through the system again.

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Speaker 1: Now, this beautiful young twin Jody locorneo and joining me

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Speaker 1: now is her twin sister, Jenny Carreri. One twin sister

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Speaker 1: no one has ever explained to you why I keep

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Speaker 2: Not just that we all know the name.

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Speaker 1: If that had not been released, we would never have

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Speaker 2: Yet we don't have the tag number. Really, I find

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Speaker 7: I mean, really, everything that they've done I've found hard

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Speaker 7: it baffles me, Nancy. I don't know. I don't know why,

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Speaker 7: better treatment, but at least, you know, the normal treatment

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00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 7: with her case. But ut cases solved when they find

440
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 7: like a dirt you know, or rock, you know, something crazy,

441
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 7: and that just was all the evidence. You know, I

442
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 7: had to like beg them and beg them and beg

443
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 7: them to do and show or remember this the MVAC

444
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 7: to do like the DNA testing. It's like they never

445
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 7: wanted to do anything. Like if I just had ignored

446
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 7: them that.

447
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 2: I mean, they would tell me.

448
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 7: They told me her case was, Yeah, her case was

449
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 7: sitting in a closet collecting dust. That's what they would

450
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 7: tell me.

451
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: You know, interesting about what you're saying, Cheryl McCollum has

452
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: a theory. Cheryl and I are both coming from law

453
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: enforcement perspectives. Cheryl McCollum, you've got your own unique theory

454
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 1: and it ain't half bad, Cheryl, About why that tag's

455
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: blocked out.

456
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 9: Tag is blocked out. You've got six witnesses, they won't reinterview.

457
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 9: You've got the family not using you know, having to

458
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 9: sue them. The law enforcement won't use the media. The

459
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 9: phone calls. They're going to tell the family two of

460
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 9: the phone calls, but not all the phone calls. To me, Nancy,

461
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 9: when you've got the same detective for twenty five years

462
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 9: that won't move on anything. It feels like to me

463
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 9: that this perpetrator is a confidential informant. They're protecting Sean McCollum.

464
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: When you say, see I confidential informant, explain to those

465
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: that are not in law enforcement what that means.

466
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 9: Oftentimes, if you arrest someone and let's say they're a

467
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 9: low level drug dealer, they may and give you the

468
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 9: bigger fish, so to speak. So who are you getting

469
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 9: this product from? Who's running this organized crime? So what

470
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 9: you try to do is arrest up, you go to

471
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 9: the next biggest person. So you make a deal. Hey,

472
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 9: I'm going to cut you loose. I'm going to leave

473
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 9: you on the street so you can keep feeding me

474
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 9: information of who's doing bigger and better crimes out there.

475
00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: Straight out to Jeff Abel, investigative reporter and anchor. You

476
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: be f F Fox forty five there in Maryland. Jeff,

477
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What does the PD

478
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: have to say about this?

479
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 6: Well, for their part, you know, this case has become

480
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 6: the largest cold case in Baltimore County history. You go

481
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 6: to the police department and there are boxes stacked to

482
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 6: the ceiling of evidence that are sitting there, and they

483
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 6: insist they have interviewed and they insist they've reinterviewed all

484
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 6: of the witnesses and more recently, they did perform some

485
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 6: DNA tests on some DNA on the victim's clothes, but

486
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 6: none of it has proven to be conclusive, and so

487
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 6: you talk to them and they say they are they

488
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 6: are doing all they can. There have been differing levels

489
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 6: of dedication, it seems to this case over the years,

490
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 6: because every three, four or five years we get a

491
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 6: new police chief and a new round of dedication or

492
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 6: lack of dedication towards the case. But the current administration

493
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 6: seems to be a lot more dedicated to trying to

494
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 6: get this cleared. But we'll see.

495
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: Is there a new detective on the case? Shift?

496
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 6: There is a new detective.

497
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: Yes, it's Josh Battalia. Correct, that's correct, straight out to

498
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, joining US forensics expert and law enforcement. At

499
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: least they've cared enough to put a new detective on

500
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:24,479
Speaker 1: the case. But Cheryl, with six witnesses a shot of

501
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: the getaway car, you've got ballistics. You've got to have

502
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: the bullet. I assumed the bullet was recovered, Jeff, Is

503
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: that correct? Oh?

504
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 6: Yes, it was.

505
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: I mean, good gravy, Cheryl McCollum, We've got to put

506
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: that through the.

507
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: Database and see if that bullet matches up. I mean,

508
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: what is going on? What is happening within the Baltimore PD.

509
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: They need a fire under their backside.

510
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 9: They have got to let the family know those phone

511
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 9: calls who they were too.

512
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 11: Means if something were to happen to me. And the

513
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 11: detective said, well, the last person she called with a

514
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 11: defense attorney. Why would she call her defense attorney? Was

515
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 11: she in some trouble? You would be able to tell them.

516
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 11: Thanks for name Rafell, They're friends. It wasn't her calling

517
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,239
Speaker 11: the defense attorney. They got to talk to Jenny. They

518
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 11: got to come clean with everything they've got and let

519
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 11: her walk them through the victimology.

520
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, it just takes one tip.

521
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: Now we know this guy reached into her car and

522
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: took something out as she sat there dying. Doctor Michelle Duprey,

523
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: you cannot convince me that she did not see him

524
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: reach in her car and take something.

525
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 10: Nancy. I believe she did, and she probably would have

526
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 10: been able to identify who he was. Again, I don't

527
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 10: think this was random at all.

528
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: The more I think about it, the more I agree

529
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Speaker 1: with you. Jennifer Jenny Career joining us Jody's twin sister, Jenny,

530
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: what have you? First of all, how did your search

531
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: for the killer break up your marriage?

532
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 7: Because it became the only thing that I was focused

533
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 7: on was day and night. I spent I don't know

534
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 7: how many years just doing interviews to go, you know,

535
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 7: going out finding people. You know, I'd find out, you know,

536
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 7: some of the people that they had, persons of interest.

537
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 7: I'd go find their family members. I'd drive places. I

538
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 7: did tons of interviews and shows, and I just didn't

539
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 7: care about I just didn't care about anything else. I

540
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 7: just wanted to find her killer. And I mean, I

541
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 7: remember one time I was preparing for a show and

542
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 7: I was I was pulling out all the pictures of

543
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 7: Jody and I and my my daughter, she was a

544
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 7: little girl at the time, and she came up to

545
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 7: me and she brought her baby book and sat next

546
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 7: to me and said, Mommy, look at my pictures. And

547
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 7: it just it tore my heart out, like you know,

548
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 7: here I am like, I'm so I've been so focused

549
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 7: on Jody's killer, and she just wanted me to, you know,

550
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 7: because I was just consumed by it, you know, and

551
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 7: she wanted me to, you know, look at her pictures instead.

552
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 7: I just was always focused on Jody and who's the

553
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 7: next person I do the do the interview with, and

554
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 7: you know, and you know, my husband and I had

555
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,239
Speaker 7: other problems, like in every marriage, but this just was,

556
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 7: you know, and he he was supportive, but it got

557
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 7: to the point it took over everything, and I already

558
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 7: I really like I lost my mind, honestly, and I

559
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 7: you know he would not.

560
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: Don't lose your mind. I hear what you're saying, Cheryl.

561
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: When you and I first met, when I.

562
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: Was prosecuting same thing, it was still so fresh with

563
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: me my fiance's murder. All I could think about was

564
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: putting the next bad guy in in jail. I didn't

565
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: care who you were, what you were saying to me,

566
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: nothing mattered. I didn't want a car, I didn't want jewelry.

567
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: I didn't want a boyfriend. I wanted nothing, friends, nothing.

568
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 1: All I wanted was to solve the next case. And

569
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: you can't talk to anybody like that. They have to

570
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: come out of it themselves. Cheryl, do you remember those days?

571
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 9: I remember those days so clear, Nancy. I can remember

572
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 9: you would have success after success after success. You never

573
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 9: wanted to celebrate. You would come to Manuels, you would

574
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 9: have dinner, and you would go home to start prepping

575
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 9: the next case. While everybody else will celebrate in your

576
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 9: victory in court.

577
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: I can't really explain it. I understand what Jinny is saying.

578
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: One marriage nearly destroyed, She's gotten another chance at that marriage,

579
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: But now can we give her a chance to find

580
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: her twin sisters killer. There was a thirty two thousand

581
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: dollars reward to help solve the case of the murder

582
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: of Jody Lacorno to her twin sister, Jenny Careery, Jenny,

583
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: have you been speaking with a person of interest?

584
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 7: Yes, he's been there.

585
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 2: What's happening?

586
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 7: So he's been their number one suspect And I actually

587
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 7: started communicating with him years ago. I said to the

588
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 7: detective that I want the previous detective who's no longer there.

589
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 7: I said I would like to meet with him, and

590
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 7: he said, well, why would he want to talk to you?

591
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 7: And so I started to write letters to him, and

592
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 7: I opened up a Peo box and just started communicating

593
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 7: with him. And it was nothing, you know, it was

594
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 7: just all this him writing about just nothing, you know.

595
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 7: It was basically just me like trying to get to him.

596
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 7: He's writing about his days in prison. He did know

597
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 7: who I was, and religion and this and that. And

598
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 7: so my husband found out about it, so I had

599
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 7: to cut that out. He was very upset about that.

600
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 7: I had sent a picture of myself to him, and

601
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 7: he's always he's been in prison for trying to kill

602
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 7: another girl. So he's been in he's getting out. Actually,

603
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 7: November twenty second, I just got a call. I'm on

604
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 7: this vine. I don't know if you're familiar with this

605
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 7: sort of thing where they let you know. So they

606
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 7: called me today and I knew he was getting out,

607
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 7: but I actually met with him about a month ago

608
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 7: and was with him for like three hours, and he

609
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 7: I one hundred percent believe I believe that it's him.

610
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 7: And you know he's failed the light detector to night.

611
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 2: Why do you believe it's him? And how did he

612
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 2: kill the other girl?

613
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 7: He he tried to stabber to death. They were high

614
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 7: on drugs, she was a stripper. He's had, he has

615
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 7: his DNA on another murder that they haven't dealt with.

616
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 7: He's he's had, he has a record. Jeff and I

617
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 7: were looking at it yesterday. He'll probably remember better than me,

618
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 7: but he has a long history of who you know

619
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 7: is married and he said he was with her the

620
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 7: night Jodie was killed, but she came back and said

621
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 7: she wasn't with him. He failed a light detor test, so.

622
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: He lied about an alibi. Does he know your Jodie's sister?

623
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, because I met with him.

624
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: What about him makes you think he's the killer?

625
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 7: I mean, I think because there's so many things that

626
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 7: point to him that it is him. And I mean

627
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 7: he told a prostitute that he killed her. A prostitute

628
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 7: was brought in off the streets, and they never followed through,

629
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 7: they never did anything. They said a prostitutes word is

630
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 7: worthless in court as what they told me.

631
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 2: So let me understand this.

632
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: You know, if I had to have put every witness

633
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: on the stand that was a nun, a priest, or virgin,

634
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have I would never have won a case.

635
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: Who do you think somebody like him hangs out with

636
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: mother Teresa? No, a prostitute, So right, it's a criminal element.

637
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: So who told you you can't take the word of

638
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: a prostitute because I have found them to be very

639
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: reliable witnesses.

640
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 7: The detective, the original detective, And when.

641
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: I have you shared this information with the new detective Battalia.

642
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 7: We've talked about the prostitute. I don't know if I've

643
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 7: told him all this stuff. I mean, he's he's aware

644
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 7: about the prostitute. Yeah, I don't know that he that

645
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 7: I told him all the conversations I had with the

646
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 7: previous detective. But when I met with the suspect in prison,

647
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 7: you know, we met. It was arranged for me to

648
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 7: meet him, and it was all recorded, and I said

649
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 7: to him, I said, did you kill Jody? And he said,

650
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 7: if I admit to that, I will never get out

651
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 7: of here.

652
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: Well, you've got this on a recording. Yes? Have you

653
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 2: given the recorded to Baltimore PD?

654
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 7: They have it? They have it?

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Speaker 2: Okay, jeff Abel, what do I have to do? Put?

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Speaker 1: Okay, dynamite under the Baltimore PDS rear.

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Speaker 6: And how much dynamite do you have?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I can get quite a bit if I have to.

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Speaker 1: I asked my husband for a flamethrower for Christmas. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if that's going to happen. But how can

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Speaker 1: they stand by with evidence that the twin hasn't asked?

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Speaker 6: This is rather new evidence. I don't know if they've

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Speaker 6: actually I know they haven't moved on it yet, but

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Speaker 6: I know they do have it, and it is probably

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Speaker 6: in their hands as if the past three or four weeks.

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Speaker 6: I understand there might be some kind of deal they

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Speaker 6: possibly are getting together to offer the suspect or the

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Speaker 6: person of interest if he will just come forward with

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Speaker 6: the information, But so far there's been nothing that I'm

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Speaker 6: aware of.

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Speaker 1: Jenny, let me throw an idea at you. Would you

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Speaker 1: agree to a deal where he would serve time hard

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Speaker 1: time running concurrent or at the same time as his

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Speaker 1: other offenses if he admitted to Jody's death, or do

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Speaker 1: you hold out for more jail time?

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Speaker 7: Would I just want to have answers I would do.

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Speaker 7: I would be okay with the time served, absolutely, And

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Speaker 7: I know some people wouldn't agree with that, but that's

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Speaker 7: just for me, just because.

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Speaker 1: Can I give you a very important legal phrase, screw

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Speaker 1: them and the horse they rode in on. This is

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Speaker 1: your business, not theirs. If you want answers, then God willing,

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Speaker 1: you will get them.

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Speaker 2: If you know or.

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Speaker 1: Think you know anything about the murder of this beautiful

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Speaker 1: young twin, Jody L. Corney, please dial the new detective

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Speaker 1: at four to one zero eight.

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Speaker 2: Eight seven, three nine four three. There is a light.

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Speaker 1: At the end of this dark tunnel. Nancy Grace signing

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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,