1 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: How many splash hits do you think Raffi Devers is 2 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: going to have this year? As we watched the ball 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: hit the water, it's another. 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: Episode of splash hit Territory. 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: My frequent contributor, Susan Susser joins us from Scottsdale, Arizona. 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: She's been so busy writing twenty seven articles a day, 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: and there was a little bit I wouldn't call it news, 8 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: but everybody's talking about it here in San Francisco. I'll 9 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: see you next week down there in Scottsdale. But the 10 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: whole Tony Vaitello thing. So Susan, welcome, I know you're busy. 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on today. 12 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, fun to be here. This really was kind of 13 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 3: the talk of baseball. It seemed like to me anyway 14 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 3: the last day as soon as Tony Vitel stopped talking 15 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 3: yesterday and we'll kind of I'll get into the specific 16 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 3: so how this all kind of happened. But I started 17 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,959 Speaker 3: hearing from people because there was video going out right, 18 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 3: Like all these morning sessions are all video ad by 19 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: some by reporters by their couple's TV stations. Here the 20 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 3: giants often send out video clips, but people were seeing 21 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 3: them and I was getting all sorts of response from 22 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 3: executives around the league, from friends of mine who were 23 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 3: Giants fans, and especially from other reporters saying like, what 24 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 3: was that? What just happened? So I will try to 25 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 3: provide the rundown since I was there. It was unusual. 26 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 3: You know, I've been doing this for thirty some years 27 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 3: and I've covered a bunch of managers. I've went to 28 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: a zillion manager sessions, but it was unusual. Vitello came over. 29 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 3: He was kind of maked up. He'd been on camera, 30 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure with Ken Rosenthal, our friend of Fox 31 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 3: Sports and the Athletic and he came kind of hot, 32 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 3: and he sat down and he looked at all of us, 33 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 3: and I was sitting next to him. So then he 34 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 3: looked right at me and said, when did you first 35 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 3: think I was becoming the Giants manager? And I said, oh, 36 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 3: probably about four days or so before they actually made 37 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 3: the announcement, and he kind of said, yeah, like yeah, 38 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 3: that's exactly that's the problem. He is been out of 39 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 3: shape still, and this is understandable. I'm not saying like 40 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 3: he's flying off the handle, just the timing was a 41 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 3: little strange. He launched into a thing about how there 42 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 3: was an initial report out there somehow, and he was 43 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 3: very vague on what he was talking about specifically that 44 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 3: was wrong, that said that he had already made up 45 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 3: his mind, and that caused some problems, as you might imagine. 46 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 3: I mean, this isn't just like, oh no, they hurt 47 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 3: my feelings. He's got assistant coaches who are then, you know, 48 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 3: freaking out because they haven't heard from their guy. You 49 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 3: know that that feels like a violation in and of itself. 50 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 3: You know, my guy who hired me didn't bother to 51 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 3: tell me he's leaving. I'm hearing about from somewhere else. 52 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 3: But then they worry about their own job security too. 53 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 3: Of course, you don't know what might happen if the 54 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 3: head coach leaves and recruits. This is Tony Botello is 55 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 3: one of the great recruits recruiters in the history of 56 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 3: college baseball. And he's got all these recruits in their 57 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 3: families calling me going like, wait, what the hell now? Okay, 58 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 3: the upshot is he did leave, he did take the job, 59 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 3: but his you know, he's like, look at that point, 60 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 3: I hadn't I didn't know what I was doing. If 61 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: you'd see me, you would know, like I really and 62 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 3: that's what I heard. So the day that the athletics 63 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 3: story broke October eighteenth, a day that we keep hearing 64 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 3: about way too much, honestly at this point, you know, 65 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 3: we heard, we saw the athletic report that the Giants 66 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 3: were focused and getting close to hiring. They never said 67 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 3: actually hired, they never said there was an agreement in place, 68 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 3: but getting close to hiring by Tello. And I made 69 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 3: a bunch of calls, and what I was hearing was, no, 70 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 3: this is not a done deal. Tennessee is going to 71 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 3: try very hard to keep Fidello, which I think they 72 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 3: did do. I mean, he's beloved there, absolutely beloved, and 73 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 3: he was still sorting it out, which is why it 74 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 3: took another few days. So I can see his point. 75 00:03:55,480 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 3: Here is where I think people around baseball, Giants, fans, media, 76 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 3: sports talk radio are I think a little troubled. Is 77 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 3: we are here a week into Giant spring training. It's 78 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 3: been a lot of Tennessee and college talk altogether. Understandable 79 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 3: his frame of references college baseball. I will give him that. 80 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,679 Speaker 3: At some point it's going to change, I hope soon soon, 81 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 3: because he does have his assemble team here, but that 82 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: is a reference. But a week in to sit down 83 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 3: and to be focused on something that happened four months 84 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 3: ago based around your former job does seem a little 85 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 3: jarring to people. It is unusual. And again I've done 86 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 3: this for a very long time. I've been to a 87 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 3: zillion manager sessions and I have never seen one, certainly unprompted, 88 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 3: start off with something that was sort of really off 89 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 3: topic of this. I have heard managers say these kinds 90 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 3: of things sort of, but usually it's a sit down 91 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 3: and say, hey, before we wick up going, before the 92 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: cameras turn on, I've got something I want to chat about. 93 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 3: I'm just wondering your guys take let's talk about this 94 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 3: and then we'll start the session, or they stay back 95 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 3: and do something like that. But it was all on 96 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 3: the record. And this is not somebody who needs his 97 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 3: handheld with the media. He knows the deal. He understands 98 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 3: when you sit down with a group of media and 99 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: you've got something on your mind and you start speaking 100 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 3: about it to us, that means this is what you 101 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 3: want us to write about. It's the manager session. If 102 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 3: you start talking unprompted, this is what you want us 103 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 3: to write. So that was the only so we asked 104 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 3: questions about it, and you answered all the questions, not 105 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 3: that this was bad. Like Look, he is very unscripted, 106 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 3: he is very genuine. He speaks from the heart. These 107 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 3: are some of the reasons that Buster Posey hired him. 108 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 3: You know, he talked about it at the time. He's 109 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 3: got fire, he's got passion, he is really genuine. That's 110 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 3: what we saw yesterday. So I don't know if you 111 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 3: could squell that part and say, like you've only got 112 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 3: to talk about things that are giants appropriate right now 113 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 3: if something's truly bothering him. But it was. It was 114 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 3: just unusually, it was really unusual. I don't it wasn't 115 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 3: good bad. I think it was just a thing that happened, honestly, 116 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 3: and I don't think people should make too much of it. 117 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 3: So those are my extremely extensive thoughts. I feel like Tony, 118 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 3: I've sat down and I've railed a. 119 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 4: Ton This is great. 120 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: I was just gonna let you do the podcast by 121 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: yourself today. All fantastic points. I mean, you were there 122 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: boots on the ground, and I did a show on 123 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: KMBR yesterday and I expressed my sentiments about it. My 124 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: main take is he's not over his X yet and 125 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: that's okay. Like you said, his only reference point is 126 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: the University of Tennessee, and he built that program from 127 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: nothing into a national power. 128 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 4: And all of a sudden, you're in. 129 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: A new place with a new team and a new job, 130 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: and it's Friday night. They just played their first game. 131 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,239 Speaker 1: I think you know they had renovations to the stadium. 132 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure his phone was blowing up with it's not 133 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: the same without you, we miss you here and left 134 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: and right. So all of a sudden he's feeling a 135 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: little homesick and that's okay. And then he does the 136 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: interview with Rosenthal, who you said in The Athletic had 137 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: that report on October eighteenth. 138 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 4: I looked it up last night and it probably triggered him. 139 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: So he sat down in what you're getting from a 140 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: new big league manager's complete authenticity, and he just kind 141 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: of let his feelings rip. And there's nothing wrong with 142 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: that at all. That's why Buster hired him. And it's 143 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: going to take him a minute where that boat gets 144 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: away from the shore, and the shore is Tennessee and 145 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: he lives in San Francisco and he's walking to the 146 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: ballpark and he's the manager of the Giants, and he 147 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: becomes a fabric of the city and a fabric of 148 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: the organization and this is his new love and that 149 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: goes away. But it's still fresh man, especially freshans. 150 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: They just open their season the other day, and he's 151 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: probably feeling a little bit guilty for leaving. 152 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: He's probably hearing it from everybody in a positive way, 153 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: like we issue, we love you, and then he just 154 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: comes out and was triggered by something that he felt 155 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: was reported a little. 156 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 4: Bit too soon. 157 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: And the one thing I did read some people that 158 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: know him very well on the internet, So take this 159 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: for what it's worth is when Tony gets on something 160 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: and it's with the media, he's going to let you know. 161 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: And So while everyone's going crazy and Giant's land about 162 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: like does he really want to be the manager, He absolutely. 163 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 4: Wants to be the manager. 164 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: He just felt he had to get something off his 165 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: chest yesterday in a very authentic open way, and I 166 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: think in you know, not a therapist, but that was some. 167 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 4: Sort of closure for him. 168 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: Where all of this happened at once opening day news 169 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: stadium text messages from everybody, an interview with a guy 170 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: that maybe he was upset with, and that triggered it, 171 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: and he came straight. My understanding is he came straight 172 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: from that interview to sit down with you guys. And 173 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: we're Italian, man, we we let our feelings out. We're open, 174 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: we're honest, we're emotional, and I love everything about it. Well, 175 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: and I said this on Cambi Esordy're like, well, there's 176 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: a big uproar about it, and it's something to talk about. 177 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: This made me feel like I liked him even more, 178 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: that this is our manager and he's going to express 179 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: his feelings to us. My only hopeing this whole thing 180 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: is that he doesn't overcorrect and all of a sudden 181 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: he's Bill Belichick and he gives you guys nothing, And 182 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to be the case. 183 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 4: I hope that's not the case. 184 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I think I don't think he could. 185 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 4: No, but I didn't. 186 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: My My initial knee jerk was like, whoa too much, Tennessee, dude, 187 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: Like we got we got to close the yearbook here, 188 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: so to speak, and we got to move forward and 189 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: start talking, to stop talking about our ex so much. 190 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: And his ex was gorgeous man, National Champions, national power. 191 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 4: He left his X, and. 192 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: Even if you leave your ex, sometimes you're not over 193 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: your X. But his new his new relationship is really 194 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: hot too. 195 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 4: So hopefully that that starts to evolve. 196 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: You start playing some games, you start talking about actual 197 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: baseball and moves that he made, and all of this. 198 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 4: Is going to be in the past. 199 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 1: But like like you said, it probably took everybody by surprise. 200 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: It took me by surprise yesterday. But I think if 201 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: you're mad at this, that's just weird to me, because 202 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: you have a manager that's showing who he is, and 203 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: he's got a big heart, and he's gonna let you know. 204 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, in the media, we love somebody that 205 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 3: speaks their mind, right of course. Here I you know 206 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 3: so many managers, and I've covered great managers. Like almost 207 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 3: all the managers that I've covered have been really good 208 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 3: to deal with, you know, a little of exception here 209 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 3: and there. Nobody bad, most of most of them really 210 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 3: exceptional in their media duties. But there are a lot 211 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: of times where what you get is sort of gloss. Right, 212 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 3: guys are saying the right thing. They know that they're 213 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 3: saying the right thing. To say the right thing. You 214 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 3: know they're saying the right thing, to say the right thing, 215 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 3: it's almost like perfunctory and like nobody digs that. It's 216 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 3: kind of like, oh, I don't I don't feel like 217 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 3: you really believe this going to write it down because 218 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 3: it's what you're saying, and you know I can't. We're 219 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 3: not allowed to put ourselves inside people's minds. Of course, 220 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 3: we're reporters. We're supposed to just do the best job 221 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 3: of reporting what's actually happening. But there are times where 222 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 3: guys say stuff and you think that is it's I 223 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 3: don't think you believe that, to the point where I 224 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 3: almost think it's BS, and so I either just don't 225 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 3: use it or I try to indicate somehow like well, 226 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 3: there are other reasons that maybe they might feel otherwise, 227 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 3: or you know, you might view the fan, the viewer 228 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 3: might want to think about things a little differently than 229 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 3: what you're hearing here, that kind of thing. It's really 230 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 3: those are very tricky. What is great is a guy 231 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 3: who just comes straight out and says what he thinks. 232 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 3: I'm just dinner of like, do you like your buddy 233 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 3: who's a straight shooter, or do you like one who 234 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 3: like you can't get a straight answer out of you, 235 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 3: like the straight shooter. Players like the straight shooter. They 236 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 3: like playing for a guy where they know where they stand. 237 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 3: So I am never going to rip somebody for speaking 238 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 3: in their mind. I was actually a little surprised some 239 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 3: of the responses I got from texts from kind of 240 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 3: around the country, including like the old Tiny Baseball people, 241 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 3: who is you might suspect we're kind of like, you know, 242 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 3: this is a joke, Like he doesn't even want to 243 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 3: be here, this is the Giants. Why doesn't you want 244 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 3: to you know, I don't think that was it at all, 245 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 3: And I almost feel like you kind of had to 246 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 3: be here, you know. The camera kind of flattens things 247 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 3: that are going on. We're all just choosing kind of 248 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 3: what we put in, and we're trying to get the 249 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 3: most accurate representation of something that happened in front of us, 250 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 3: but you can't catch the whole like three sixty or something. 251 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 3: And it was strange. I'm not going to lie. It 252 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 3: was maybe the most unusual pregame session I've been through, 253 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 3: and you know, and I've had a few, it just 254 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 3: was so out of the blue. And I will say, 255 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 3: you know, there have been a few times now that 256 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 3: Tony has said, like, you know, I need to stop 257 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 3: with the Tennessee references, I need to stop with college 258 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 3: references and kind of laughs about it, and he did 259 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 3: again yesterday. I actually really like the way he put it. 260 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 3: He's like, people are going to start wondering, what, you know, 261 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 3: which shade of orange it is that you know you're 262 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 3: you're actually in on right now. Yeah, but like more giants, 263 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 3: less college, He's going to get there. He's absolutely going 264 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 3: to get there. This just kind of had the one 265 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 3: sort of unfortunate side effect of I think highlighting that 266 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 3: he is not quite there yet, and I'm not sure 267 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 3: people really like every day we're kind of like throwing 268 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 3: out Tennessee references as we're trying to write stories about 269 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 3: the Giants, like you know, well and it votes about 270 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 3: the Tennessee bull when when we ask about the Giants 271 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 3: bullpen again, this is going to It's a process. Man, 272 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 3: he has never been in pro ball. His references are 273 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 3: all going to be Tennessee. I'm okay with that. He's 274 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 3: he's no Tommy. He knows what he's doing, he knows baseball, 275 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 3: he knows his team he's very excited about this opportunity. 276 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 3: He's got to spring in his every day. He's a 277 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 3: big personality. Giants fans are going to love this guy 278 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 3: because he wears his heart on his sleeve. He is 279 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 3: going to fight for that team, all of the good things. 280 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: It was just a little weird hiccup. And I'm going 281 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 3: to say this again, I fully believe this. This was 282 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 3: not any sort of bad thing. Perhaps maybe a little 283 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 3: bit of a slightly ill advised because people didn't really understand, 284 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 3: I think, and it was from something that was four 285 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 3: months ago. It seems a little off, But to me, 286 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 3: really no big deal. So of course we keep talking 287 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 3: about it, talking about it, right about it. That's the 288 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 3: nature of sports media, I guess sometimes. But to me, 289 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 3: not really that big a deal. 290 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: If I was a player in that clubhouse right now, 291 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: we would have our first kangaru cor and I would 292 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: find the manager and make it and make it funny. Yeah, yeah, 293 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: you make light of it, you say, Okay, we've been 294 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: listening to this stuff. The next time you mentioned the 295 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: university to see. 296 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: It's one hundred dollars fine, and just make it fun. 297 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 3: Because salary is going to go away pretty quickly. 298 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's totally understandable, like that's all he knows. And 299 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: Susan like, as a player, when you come from over 300 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: from another team, and I did this with the Giants. 301 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 2: It was like the first week of camp in Scottsdale 302 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: and I was in the training room. 303 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: I'll never forget and I was like, well, when we 304 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: played you guys last year, and you know when I 305 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: faced your. 306 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 4: When we faced you, or when we this. 307 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: And then Rob denn stopped me, I'll never forget it. 308 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: He said, no, the Giants are we Now. 309 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 4: You're not an Expo anymore. You're a Giant. 310 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: And that happens with a lot of players when you 311 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: play in an organization, you refer to that as we. 312 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 4: When you come to the new organization. 313 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: And the guys that have been there for a while, 314 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: I was like, we as orange and black. Now we 315 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: is not the Expos. So I get the whole transitionary period. 316 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a big deal at all. It 317 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: did give us something to talk about on our podcast, though, 318 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: And you know, you know you've made fun of me 319 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,239 Speaker 1: for this that I'm his biggest fans. 320 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 3: And you've got a huge You've got a huge old 321 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 3: man crush on Tony. 322 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: I want him to succeed. I want him to be 323 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: great for a long time. And when you look at 324 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: the twenty thousand foot view of this, that this is 325 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: a marriage that you hope is in place for a decade. 326 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: That's why they hired a forty seven year old. It's 327 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: about the development of Tony Vitello as a big league manager. 328 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: They don't want to have a press conference every two 329 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: years announcing a new manager. They want continuity, they want stability, 330 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: and there's going to be a growing. 331 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 4: Process in this and there's going to be bumps along 332 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 4: the way. A rank. 333 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 3: They're telling us that we need to we need to 334 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 3: take a little bit of a break. So we're gonna 335 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 3: come back. We're going to talk more Tony Vitela because 336 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 3: it is interesting. Are we making too much of it? Probably, 337 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 3: But we're going to come back because it's interesting. But 338 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 3: we got to take a little breakfast, all right. We 339 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 3: got the warby Parkers, I got the Raiders, but one 340 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 3: thing I upgraded to polarized, Sorry about it. 341 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, these are good not only for wearing but also 342 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 5: out in the sun. When I become that baseball coach, 343 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 5: I always want to be in my kids. I got 344 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 5: the Hatchers. They're darker, a little bit wider for my face. 345 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 5: They fit perfect, They're comfortable. 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If you're just listening on the podcast. 364 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 3: I always have reading glasses on because I can't see 365 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 3: and the ring light constantly there's just no I've tried everything. 366 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 3: I've tried everything. I honestly I am going to go 367 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 3: to Warby Parker and say, fix this me something. 368 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 4: I don't reflective prescription glasses. Well, just just wrap it up. 369 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 3: Opposed to be non reflective FP. They let me down. 370 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: It's fine, put them on. I like them. Just wrap 371 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: the whole tony thing up. And I probably have to 372 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: talk about it on cambr for three hours tonight because 373 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: I'm going on. 374 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 4: But just it. 375 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: I don't think it's as big as everybody wants to 376 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: make it. 377 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 4: It's it's a nothing burger. 378 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: And I will I will guess this that after the 379 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: first week of spring training games. 380 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 4: No one's going to remember this now. 381 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 3: But we do need a reduction in the Tennessee references. 382 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 3: And you know how when like a kid's dad is 383 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 3: also the coach, there's there's either the coach that like 384 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 3: totally favors this kid or the coach the complete ignores 385 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 3: this kid and acts like they're not related and even 386 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 3: though he's never met him. Right, those are seemed like 387 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 3: the two one thing that I think is at some 388 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 3: point needs to change a little bit. It just from 389 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 3: that kind of perspective, like when we ask questions about 390 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 3: like today, somebody said, like, who's standing out in the bullpen? 391 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 3: The answer was Blade Tdwell. We often seem to get 392 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 3: the Tennessee guys as the guys who are mentioned. And 393 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 3: at some point, if I'm not a guy who went 394 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 3: to Tennessee, I might be going, like, you know, some 395 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 3: cuss here besides the Tennessee guys. So I know those 396 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 3: are the ones that he's familiar with. I know those 397 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 3: are the ones that kind of jump out. He's just 398 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 3: kind of you know, you would automatically notice them. And 399 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 3: Blade Tidwell, by the way, I'm equally excited about that. 400 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 3: That kid is going to be a stud. And interesting 401 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 3: that he mentioned in the bullpen, because you know, we 402 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 3: could get some see some of these young starters in 403 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 3: the bullpen. But he did mention that. But because of 404 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: the whole Tennessee we're all kind of on aislert will 405 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 3: of course it's hid well. So yeah, so it's been weird, 406 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 3: but yes, there's other stuff going on here. There's another 407 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 3: stuff going on here. Well, you know, we both stand 408 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 3: second to none in our love for Ron Washington, the 409 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 3: former manager of the Rangers and the Angels, and of 410 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 3: course long time A's infield coach and to me probably 411 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 3: the greatest infield coach of all timers, certainly in the 412 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 3: last thirty years or so, that he's taken so many 413 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 3: players and made them elite defenders in the infield, lots 414 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 3: of gold gloves, a couple of platinum gloves with Chapman, 415 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 3: and now he's here and it turns out, you know 416 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 3: that they add Louis a Rice Orias. Essentially Ron Washington 417 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,479 Speaker 3: was a massive selling point for him coming here. Like 418 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 3: Ron Washington has said, I didn't come here for Luis arise, 419 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,239 Speaker 3: but I think Louise's arise came here for me. And 420 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 3: I was like, I could see it like and he 421 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 3: said he's already made like transformation, and just like the 422 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 3: first three or four days he was much improved. Wash 423 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 3: would know. And he has to talk about straight shooters. 424 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 3: There is no straighter shooter. If he says it, he 425 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 3: believes it. He has never does not blow smoke. This 426 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 3: is not like he doesn't have that bone at his by, 427 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 3: like he is going to tell you exactly what he thinks. 428 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 3: But he thinks a rise can be better than average defender, 429 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 3: which the Giants would be thrilled with that. Just average 430 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 3: would be fantastic. Better than average, they'll take it. But 431 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 3: another thing that Wash said, and he's now actually told 432 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 3: me on like a couple of times, is he thinks 433 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 3: Rafaeld Devers is going to be in the thick of 434 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,719 Speaker 3: the MVP race from what he's seen every he is 435 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 3: so impressed. And Devers is about to speak to us 436 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 3: in the media coming up here pretty soon, so I 437 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 3: have to get running down there. But a full year 438 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 3: of Rafaeld Devers if he's healthy, I mean, and somebody 439 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 3: like arise somewhere in front of him in the lineup, 440 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 3: somebody like a Damis is if a damis uh, sort 441 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 3: of back where he was in the second half last 442 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 3: year rather than you know, his stumble in the first 443 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 3: Chapman like some reliable hitters, Devers could have himself quite 444 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 3: a season, so that, you know, easy to say, that's 445 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 3: one of the main things I have my eye on 446 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 3: this spring. But it's of course it's washed. He's like, 447 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,959 Speaker 3: there's gonna be the MVP you just watch. And then 448 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 3: he said at one point they could have three MVP 449 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 3: candidates in the infield, which I don't know. That seems 450 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 3: like a stretch, but he's enthusiastic. Nonetheless, he likes what 451 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 3: he's seeing. 452 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: I watched some highlights yesterday and Alex Pavlovic, our buddy, 453 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: tweeted about Devers and I said, he's going to hit 454 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: fifty this year. Bold statement, Cotton, but I believe he 455 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: could hit fifty home runs this year. 456 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 2: And with the rise and Wash like no, this surprises me. 457 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: Luisa Riyes has a tremendous work ethic, and that work 458 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: ethic has traditionally been offensive. 459 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 4: But now if you've got a. 460 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: Guy like Washed to inspire you every day, and he 461 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: opens up the cheat codes, which he does, Susan like, 462 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna toot my own for a second. 463 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 4: I know it's comes shocked to you and. 464 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: To the Giants fans, But I made eighteen errors my 465 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: whole career as a major leaguer in seven seasons. I 466 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: was good at defense. And when I came to round 467 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: Washington and Oakland at the end of my career, my 468 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: last year in the big leagues, he taught me things 469 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: I never even thought of before at second base, and 470 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: it came so easy, and it came quickly. It's not 471 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: like he's speaking a love language that you don't understand 472 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: and you're like, what is this guy talking about? It 473 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: just clicks immediately and he sees something he tells you 474 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: and then you do it and he's like, that's it. 475 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: That's it right there, and then you start to want 476 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: to work for him, and all of a sudden you 477 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,959 Speaker 1: feel like as a defender, you have the cheat codes 478 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: and he makes every he simplifies everything in a way 479 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: that I mean. I had him field coaches along the 480 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: way that were telling me to do things and I 481 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: just couldn't do them, and it was forced and it 482 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: was mechanical. 483 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 2: And defense is an attitude. 484 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 4: There's confidence on that, just like hitting. 485 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: And if you can have a coach that you speak 486 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: the same love language with and that you want to 487 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: work for, it comes easy to you. And then you 488 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: start to want to please him. And then pleasing him 489 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: and showing him that you like him, which he has 490 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: that relatability factor. 491 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 4: You become better as a player. 492 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: And it's not just on offense with Wash, like he'll 493 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: put you aside on the plane, he'll talk to you 494 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: about the game itself, how you approach it. We were 495 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: similar as players. We were both utility guys. We're both 496 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: bench guys. So the relatability factor with Ron Washington. Myself, 497 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: I say this all the time, like he was almost 498 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: doing a disservice to baseball by being a manager, And 499 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: not that he was a bad manager at all, but 500 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,959 Speaker 1: his value in the game is coaching. And when you're 501 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: a manager, you have so many obligations with the media 502 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: with this and shaking hands and kissing babies, that you 503 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: don't get the chance to get your hands dirty and 504 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: get out there and get on your knees and do 505 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: the backhand drill that you see all these guys doing now, 506 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 1: like the stuff that Ron Washington did with Ozzie Alby's 507 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: and Freddie Freeman and everybody in Atlanta in batting practice. 508 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 2: You see it every day. 509 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: Every team now is on their knees right in front 510 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: of the dugout and they're doing the backhand in this 511 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: and they do all the drills that want Ron Washington 512 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: implemented in baseball. So would you say he's the greatest 513 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: infield coach in the history of the game. I really 514 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: can't think of another one, to be honest. But that's 515 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: not a bold statement by you. I feel that, and 516 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: I've said this many times, so repeating myself. I think 517 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: it could be the sneaky best acquisition the Giants have 518 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: made the off season. 519 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 3: You know, he's he's just one of a kind, and 520 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 3: he's so funny. You know, he just warm and loves 521 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 3: the players, loves everybody. Like just if you can't get 522 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 3: along with Off Washington, I don't know, I don't know 523 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 3: what that says about you. But he's got a million stories. 524 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 3: He's fantastic. Everything is positive. But you know, this is 525 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 3: a guy who's seventy three years old and he had 526 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 3: a quadruple bypass last June. Last June, and he came back. 527 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 3: He's going to do full time travel. When when we 528 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 3: first heard that the Giants had hired Ron Washington, we 529 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 3: thought this is one of those sort of he's going 530 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 3: to come in and help infielders, you know, a couple 531 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 3: of times a homestand something like that. No, he is here. 532 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 3: He is on the staff. He is going to be 533 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 3: in the dugout next to Tony Vytello. My gosh, what amazing, 534 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 3: great experience to have their next to you and also 535 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 3: freaking funny. But it's so for me. He's coming up 536 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 3: with quadruple bypass. So I was asking a bunch of 537 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 3: the managers who know him at the Cactus League media 538 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 3: day the other day if they were surprised he come 539 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 3: back right away, And Stephen Vote told me, honestly, I 540 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 3: thought he would come back the day after his surgery 541 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,479 Speaker 3: and start managing the Angels to get like if anybody 542 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 3: could do it, it would be washed. So that's what 543 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 3: his contemporaries like all No, like it washes. A phenomenon. 544 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 3: He's just a phenomenon. 545 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 4: I hope he paces himself though. 546 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: I hope he doesn't like go too hard, too soon, 547 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 1: because I don't think he knows any other way, and 548 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: he'd probably be the first one to tell you that, 549 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: what's a let's wrap it up with some other news 550 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: you want to talk about before we end the show. 551 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 3: Well, will Brennan Pitts added to the roster? An interesting move, 552 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 3: I think a depth piece probably for now. But he's 553 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 3: look in the competition for that fourth outfield spot. I 554 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 3: don't think there's any reason why he wouldn't be the buster. 555 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 3: And Tony Vitelo seem to really like wide open competitions everywhere. 556 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 3: I think you know you're they're looking at Matos and 557 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 3: Carnacion both being out of options, they'll lose one or both. 558 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 3: So right there, you need more outfielders period, for depth 559 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 3: here and for once the season starts at Sacramento, so 560 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 3: that people were kind of like, why are they picking 561 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 3: up yet another outfielder. Don't they have enough to look at? Yes, 562 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 3: they do, but they're going to lose probably two of 563 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 3: those guys. Just realist, from a realistic standpoint, I think probably, 564 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 3: you know, a big spring by one or the other. 565 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 3: They could be on the team, or they could try 566 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 3: to hang on to them for another couple of weeks 567 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 3: after the season starts, you know, kind of like hiding 568 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 3: them on the roster kind of thing, even if they're 569 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 3: not necessarily in their plans. You always rather have a 570 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 3: guy just outright win that spot. That would be the idea. 571 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 3: And they're definitely in the mix, but I can't see 572 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 3: there's any way they're keeping too, so they're gonna need 573 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 3: a little bit more depth. So I thought that was 574 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 3: an interesting pickup. He's really well regarded Will Brennan, and 575 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 3: he's got options left, so he's very flu like this 576 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 3: is one of those absolutely like win win type of transactions. 577 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 3: I know, sometimes the smaller ones that fans go like, 578 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 3: why are you even doing that? They're all important, man, 579 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 3: Like that's the guy who could wind up coming up 580 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 3: because of an injury or something in July and big 581 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 3: home run or making a big catch, like these things matter. 582 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: I have so much fomo right now because I'm in 583 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: San Francisco and you're in Scottsdale, my way back. 584 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 3: I've got my little break coming up, so I'll be 585 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 3: there and then I think you might be coming here 586 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 3: while I'm gone. Are we swapping? 587 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: We are? You'll do the shows from San Francisco. I'll 588 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: do them from where I'm staying in Scottsdale. 589 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 3: Not allowed in the same state anymore. 590 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 4: Apparently, or not. Well, good job today, I mean, boots 591 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 4: on the ground. 592 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 2: You started that whole thing yesterday. 593 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 3: I didn't. I was just sitting next to him. People 594 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 3: were like, why was he talking to you? Like because 595 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 3: I was sitting next to him. Like I like, literally, 596 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 3: I was in London when the whole hiring thing went down. 597 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 3: I was like I was helping out writing and and 598 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 3: all of that, but and the some making some calls 599 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 3: and stuff like that. But man, I don't felt like 600 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 3: I was like, well, he put the director of me 601 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 3: I just happened to be in the line of fire. 602 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 3: He's you know what he's He wasn't lying to fire. 603 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 3: He he never raised his voice. He wasn't upset, he 604 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 3: was irked, he was pissed, he was he wasn't He 605 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 3: wasn't like like, he wasn't like like. I never felt 606 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 3: it certainly didn't feel like it was direct at me. 607 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 3: It was just sort of I think I was the 608 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 3: prop You know, when did you first think that I 609 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 3: was coming here? Like I was like, oh no, my 610 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 3: was swat Is this trick question to be asking? 611 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 4: Ken? Sometimes understand he's one of. 612 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 3: The titans of our business. 613 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 2: He's a littler. 614 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 3: Stop it, stop it. He is an absolute titan of 615 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 3: my business. He's been among my absolute idols. So, uh, 616 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 3: you know, this is one where I think reasonable people 617 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 3: could maybe disagree on what happened there. But their story 618 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 3: did not definitively did not say he was coming to 619 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 3: San Francisco. It said that it was getting close. Like, look, 620 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 3: maybe you could argue some of the semantics there. What 621 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 3: happened was there were some Knoxville outlets that took that 622 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 3: report that it was getting close to mean that it 623 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 3: had happened, and it happened, so it all kind of 624 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 3: kind of went haywhere. I'm not sure that anything was 625 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 3: totally nefarious even about that. Yes, I'm probably inclined to 626 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 3: give my sort of brethren in the media a little 627 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 3: bit of a break on that. But I looked through 628 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 3: everything at the time and now again to see if 629 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 3: there was something that jumped out like really irresponsible, and 630 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 3: Tony I'm sure would disagree with me, but I didn't. 631 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 3: If there is one thing that he was super ticked 632 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 3: where it said he is leaving now to go to 633 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 3: San Francisco, that seemed like an intentional report along those lines, 634 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 3: I'd be surprised. I saw some Knoxville ones citing at 635 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 3: the athletics saying he's leaving, but I think they were 636 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 3: kind of just miss miss speaking, which you know, that's 637 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 3: not great. I won't lie, but I think that's kind 638 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 3: of what happened. I don't know. He has not been 639 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 3: very specific about it. He just kept saying like, well, 640 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 3: I saw a tweet. What tweet was it? Anyway, We're 641 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 3: done talking about it for a while. I am. Anyway, 642 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 3: I've got a flight later, all right. 643 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: Good job today, Thanks for coming on always appreciate you, 644 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: and apparently I won't see you soon, so whatever, we'll 645 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: switch cities and good job today. We need some subscribers. 646 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: We're almost a three thousand you guys like subscribe. We 647 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: need to make some money doing this and we're not 648 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: so everybody. 649 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 3: I'm just doing it. I'm joining it out of the 650 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 3: kindness of my own soul. Look like there's a little 651 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 3: banner like I subscribed. 652 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm too far down the road as a major league 653 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: broadcaster do this other kindness of my soul. 654 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 4: But I do like interacting with Giants fans. Any chance 655 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 4: we have to do that is okay with me. 656 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: All right, Susan, take care, I'll talk to you soon. 657 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: And like I say on the way out, every single time, 658 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: swing heart in case you hit it. It's my motto in 659 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: life on splash hit Territory.