1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cardinal Territory. 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: I'm your host, Katie wu here with the very special 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 2: guest Miles Michaelis is our player interview today. We are 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: recording on Monday, April fourteenth, but you are seeing this 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: on Wednesday, April sixteenth. Miles one of my personal faves. 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: Always great to see you. Thank you so much for 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 2: doing this today. 8 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on a little a little bit 9 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 3: of free time before I head into the field. 10 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 4: So I thought this would be this would be fun. 11 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so let's just go right into it. 12 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 2: Your your fresh off a bounce back start, five innings, 13 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 2: three yearn runs, and we've talked to like all spring 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 2: and early season about the things that you're doing differently 15 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 2: this year in terms of sequencing and essentially sounds weird 16 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 2: not throwing as many strikes. Is that a difficult concept 17 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: for you to fathom at first? 18 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 3: Maybe a little bit, because you know, I grew up 19 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 3: watching baseball a certain way and like reading certain you know, 20 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 3: I had, you know, when I was in middle school, 21 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 3: in high school, I had all the pitching books, you know, 22 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 3: the Leo Mazzoni and the Noan Ryan Pitcher's Bible and 23 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 3: all those things. 24 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 4: And even in some of those books. 25 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,559 Speaker 3: Like they talk about like those two one two counts, 26 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 3: you know, hitters are vulnerable. Hitters are vulnerable. A lot 27 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 3: of guys are just trying to put the ball in play. 28 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 3: And you can throw a quality pitch fairly close or 29 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 3: in the strike zone on the edges, and you know, 30 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,919 Speaker 3: I feel like the hitters approach. 31 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 4: Guys used to not like to strike out. So you 32 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 4: saw a lot of like just oh, I want to 33 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 4: put it in play kind of. 34 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 3: Some of the two strikes, guys just trying not to 35 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 3: strike out. And if you're nibbling at the edges of 36 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 3: the zone and throwing strikes in those counts and the 37 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 3: guy hitting has that mentality, you know, you're throwing quality pitches, 38 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 3: quality strikes, and he's popping up and he's grabbing out 39 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 3: and rolling over. But the way the game has changed, 40 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 3: the way they with analytics and they value guys and 41 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 3: they value players, guys don't have like a two. A 42 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: lot of players don't have this two strike. I don't 43 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 3: want to strike out, like check swing. There's a handful 44 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 3: of guys, we know who they are. You know, they 45 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: back it up with two strikes. They're just trying to 46 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 3: sheet stuff, you know, down the first baseline, stand alive 47 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: waist and pitches. But most guys are still trying to 48 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 3: get off their a or you know, aus type swings 49 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 3: even with two strikes, you know, trying to do damage 50 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So all of a sudden, throwing 51 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 3: pitches that are you know, anywhere close to the zone. 52 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 4: It's it's almost like not even worth it. 53 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: So so like for the philosophies and things to change 54 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 3: is different. It's also interesting to be around the game 55 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 3: long enough to see those those shifts. And you know, 56 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 3: I've you know, drafted an nine you know, minor leagues 57 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:51,119 Speaker 3: debut in twelve, so it's been you know, thirteen years 58 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 3: since my big league debut and I had my little 59 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 3: Japanese hiatus, and this is my ninth here in the league. 60 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 3: But I can only imagine the the changes that you know, 61 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 3: the guys before me, like Wainwright and YACHTI saw from 62 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 3: you know, two thousand and six, you know to two 63 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 3: thousand and twenty five, how much the game change. So 64 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 3: it's it's an interesting thing to be a part of 65 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 3: something I kind of embrace a little bit. 66 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's a great point. I mean, it's it's 67 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: hard to stay in this league. It's hard to return 68 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 2: to this league after some hiatuses if you will. Yeah, 69 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: I think what what people forget is like the longevity 70 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: of this league says something about who you are as 71 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: a pitcher and what you do. And it's adaptability that 72 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: keeps you in this game. It can be really hard 73 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 2: to tell a picture. Hey, you need to stop throwing strikes, 74 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: which I know is not exactly crazy, but to simplify it. 75 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 3: And and it's it's not to say I'm not throwing strikes, 76 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 3: but I would rather have swinging strikes then because a 77 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 3: lot of guys also aren't looking anymore. They're not they're 78 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 3: not you know, anything close. Let a rip kid as 79 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 3: opposed to this, like you know, and there's there's older guys. 80 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 3: There's older guys where you can throw that like o 81 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 3: too fastball, like down and away for the zone and 82 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 3: they'll just get it to you. 83 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 4: They're like, that's not my pitch. I'll give it to you. 84 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 3: And but but the majority of the league is you know, 85 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 3: if it's close, I'm swinging. 86 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 4: So all you have to do is like be close. 87 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 3: You know, guys are on guys are on green from 88 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 3: from the get go. 89 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 4: As a majority, I think, so. 90 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 2: How do you incorporate what this new style? It's not 91 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 2: like a necessarily new style of pitch. And we talked 92 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: about this on Saturday, Like you've had swing and miss 93 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: in your game before. 94 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: It's just finding a different way to get there. 95 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then and it's it's you know, with it's 96 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: another shift in the game, right because. 97 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 4: It it all works together. 98 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 3: Right, So if I want to throw, you know, I 99 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 3: want to throw seven innings. 100 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 4: I want to throw nine innings. 101 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 3: I wanna through the whole game. They're not gonna let 102 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 3: me throw one hundred and twenty pitches unless it's like 103 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 3: a no hitter, right, They're gonna let you get two 104 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 3: hundred like wherever that is five innings, six. 105 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 4: Innings, seven innings. 106 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 3: If you're getting past one hundred pitch, it's like a 107 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 3: complete game shutout. Or you know, you're the ace, and 108 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 3: it's the playoffs, even the ace in the playoffs guys 109 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 3: getting pulled after one hundred pitches because bullpens are so stacked. 110 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 3: I mean, the you know you've got guys coming in 111 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 3: the sixth seventh. It an't throw ninety seven to ninety 112 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 3: eight hundred miles an hour on some teams, and it's like, sure, 113 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 3: I'll get through five or six innings on one hundred pitches, Like, 114 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 3: you know, do. 115 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 4: You have to be happy with that now? 116 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 3: I mean, when I came back in twenty eighteen, you know, 117 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 3: blessed with having a guy like Weno on the staff 118 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 3: and he's got all his one liners. You gotta go seven, 119 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 3: you know, if you want the win, you gotta go seven. 120 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 3: Like that's the mindset. And he came up in the 121 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 3: early two thousands, mid mid you know, two thousand and six, seven, 122 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 3: eight nine, and there was that men title like you're 123 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 3: going seven innings regard, and that was almost like regardless 124 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 3: of how many pitches you're throwing, you're going hundred hundred 125 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 3: and ten hundred and twenty. They were just letting dudes go. 126 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 3: With the injuries and stuff and all the information that 127 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,239 Speaker 3: they're having and the way that they're you know, going 128 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 3: about it with everyone you know, doing what they're doing. 129 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 4: You know that's changed and you just don't see it 130 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 4: as much. And it's you know, if I want. 131 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 3: To throw one hundred pitches, like I sidetracked back to 132 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 3: my ooser point, if I want to get seven in 133 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 3: in's and I only have one hundred pitches. 134 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 4: I have to get some quick outs. I need contact. 135 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 3: And if I get a guy oh two, waste one 136 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 3: in the dirt, that's one two. 137 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 4: Maybe he'll chase a fastball up. Now it's two two. 138 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 4: Now it's you know, now he's battling. I'm battling. Now 139 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 4: I have to finish. Get that. 140 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 3: So maybe I'm throwing something on the corners and he 141 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 3: fouls one or two off, and then maybe he takes 142 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 3: a close pitch and all of a sudden, I went 143 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 3: from O two and now it's full count and I've 144 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 3: thrown seven pitches chasing a strikeout. Now I have to 145 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 3: throw something where he's got weak contact, or maybe he 146 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 3: strikes out looking finally, or he just he doesn't want 147 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 3: to walk. He wants to hit so bad. I throw 148 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 3: like a slider in the dirty, swings at it. Maybe 149 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 3: they get the strikeout, maybe he grounds out, pap up 150 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 3: gets a hit. But either way, I've now seven or 151 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 3: eight pitches, when before I was like, oh two, Oh, 152 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 3: I'll throw like a little curveball down the way. 153 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 4: Maybe in the strike zone he's off balance. 154 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 3: Maybe I sequence it right, and here's like my chopper 155 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 3: to short there's an out in three pitches. 156 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 4: I love that. 157 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 3: There's a time for that, and there's a time for 158 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 3: not that guy on third base, guy on second base, 159 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 3: two outs, go for the strikeout. 160 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 4: Don't let him put it in play, don't let him 161 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 4: bloop it. 162 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 3: So I think there's there there is a whole nuance 163 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 3: to it as a whole picture, like am I chasing 164 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 3: strikeouts from the get go? 165 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 4: Yes, I'd love to strike out everyone. 166 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 3: Every picture would say that I'd love to strike out everybody, 167 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 3: but that's not. 168 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 4: Always the case. 169 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 3: And you know, you see guys rack up pitch counts 170 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: quick now because it's six or seven pitch to everybody 171 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 3: and he strikes out or walks or you know, gets 172 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: to full counter to two before the guy rolls over 173 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 3: or pops up. 174 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. 175 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 4: And it's just everything. 176 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 3: It's like everything compounds, and it's where do you want 177 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 3: to be? I want to throw so many innings, but 178 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 3: if I'm giving up runs early because I'm trying to 179 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 3: do things on less pitches, well, I'm never going to 180 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 3: get to the six inning anyway, because I gave up 181 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 3: a couple of runs and now the bullpen's in the 182 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 3: game because the game's tight, it's a one run game, 183 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 3: as opposed to I got through five innings. 184 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 4: Great, Like you know, am. 185 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 3: I happy with that seven six years ago? No, because 186 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 3: I want to go seven because everyone, you know, everyone 187 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 3: wants to throw two hundred innings. 188 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 4: You know, or more like you want to be a workhorse. 189 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 4: But what what teams are looking for? 190 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 3: That's that's more rare, and that's like more you know, 191 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 3: more difficult than ever to to hit, you know, numbers 192 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 3: like that. Teams are almost really just looking for you know, 193 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 3: they would love us six or seven innings, but if 194 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 3: you give them five innings or six innings of you know, 195 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 3: one two, three run ball and they can get the 196 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 3: bullpen involved and hope the offense clicks. You know, analytics 197 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: are saying like that's great and it and you know, 198 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 3: maybe it comes at the expense of you know, bullpen, 199 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 3: like using more bullpen you know, bullpen arms and stuff 200 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 3: like that. But you know, the what what teams want 201 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 3: I think is even changing. I think that's some of 202 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 3: the the overall issue with with baseball. 203 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's I think you're spot on, because 204 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: this is not like you know, when I was growing up, 205 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 2: if you will, in high school and watching guys Adam's 206 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: gonna hate this. When I was watching Adam Wayne right 207 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 2: in high school, it was so. 208 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 4: Was I in high school. So was I. 209 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: There we go, see I'm not as bad. 210 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 2: It'd be seven innings, and now you're seeing more of 211 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 2: the five and dive is considered a good start because 212 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: there are It used. 213 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 4: To be five and dive. It's not five and dive anymore. 214 00:09:58,520 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 4: It's like pat them on the back. 215 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 3: You know. It's like, straight up, if you went five 216 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 3: innings with maybe even like eight strikeouts, that threw one 217 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 3: hundred pitches. Now, guys in the mid two thousands would 218 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 3: have been like man element five things. 219 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 4: They said, Hey, those strikeouts are great. I like it. 220 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 3: I gave up to five innings. You know, it's you know, 221 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 3: you give your team a chance, is your starting pitcher, 222 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 3: keep your team in the game as long as you can, 223 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 3: and ideally save the bullpen from getting you know it 224 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 3: emptied out ideally, But yeah, it's things change. 225 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: Times are changing. 226 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: I want to get into a little bit about where 227 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 2: you're at physically right now, how do you feel you're pitching? 228 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: But first we got to do our first abage of 229 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: the day. So let's hear from our friends at. 230 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 5: PHG AJ it is time for people to get some 231 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 5: new clubs, and to do that they need to go 232 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 5: to their local PXG for a fitting, right. 233 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 6: No doubt. I was there today, I've been there before. 234 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 6: Last time I was there, they gave me this killer gap. 235 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 6: You look at that sweet spot, Scott, it is warm now. 236 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 6: That is right in this sweet spot right there. So 237 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 6: I went and got new clubs today, new irons. But 238 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 6: more importantly, I got this bad boy. I got me 239 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 6: a new putter. This is my old putter. 240 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: It's on order. 241 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 6: Yes, that's my putter cover PXG Mustang putter. Now I'm 242 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 6: going to the Allen putter. They talked me into it 243 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 6: because I was draining some putts today. Bob, the guy 244 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 6: who helped me out. He helped me with my irons. 245 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 6: You got them ted up perfectly. But then we went 246 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 6: to the putt and green. I was draining them putts 247 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 6: because that's the most important part of golf. 248 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 5: PXG fittings are fun. Schedule you're fitting today, as you 249 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 5: can hear from AJ for a limited time, you could 250 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 5: save up to twenty percent on your entire order. Head 251 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 5: over to pxg dot com slash foul that's pxg dot 252 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 5: com slash foul to save up to twenty percent on 253 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 5: your entire order. Pxg dot com slash foul restrictions apply 254 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 5: see site for details. 255 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 2: Perfect segue. Because you're a golf guy, but only during season. Correct, 256 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 2: you don't golf in the off season? 257 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I you know, you only have I tell people 258 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 4: a lot. 259 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 3: You have time for like one hobby in the off season, 260 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 3: even less than half a hobby if you have a 261 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 3: family in the off season. So my off season hobby 262 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 3: is fishing, but my end season hobby is mostly golf 263 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 3: because it's harder to find places to fish, you know, 264 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 3: when you're bouncing across the country. 265 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: Okay, so who's your like go to teammate that you 266 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 2: play with? Do you have an ideal foursome? Like, what's 267 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 2: your ideal golf day on the road? 268 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 3: You know, ideally I like to get up early. My 269 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 3: most ideal golf on the road ever, has I think been. 270 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 3: We're playing Texas and the hotel we stay has a golf. 271 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 4: Course on premise. Yeah, so like you just wake up. 272 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 3: You know, eat breakfast and go downstairs or even just 273 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 3: go play around at golf at eight o'clock, be the 274 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 3: first one out, and I'm the first one in at 275 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 3: like ten thirty. And I can need a late breakfast 276 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 3: and not have to go anywhere. But I like to 277 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 3: get up, get out early it's not too hot, and 278 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 3: played a lot of golf in summer. 279 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 4: Get it early, it's not too hot. And you know, 280 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 4: the foursome has changed over the years. 281 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 3: From when I got here, I had the pleasure of 282 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 3: playing with guys like Adam Is a tremendous golfer, Bud 283 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 3: Norris one of the better golfers I've ever played with, 284 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 3: you know, Holland Waka Long. I mean, we had we 285 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 3: had some good some good golf groups in the past. 286 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 3: And now it's a little bit different. There's not as 287 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 3: many golfers, but people are willing to go golfing. 288 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 4: Andre Is is like learning to golf, so he's fine golfin. 289 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 4: He's fun to take golfing. You know, Hellsley. 290 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 3: Is getting better at golf. If it's an off day, 291 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 3: the position players will get involved. Not as a great golfer, Sonny. 292 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 3: I think of the guys I know that will beat 293 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 3: me on a golf course is probably like Sonny and Aeronauta. 294 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: Oh. 295 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: I was not familiar with Sonny's game. I knew Nolan 296 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: was good. Sometimes he is really good, and I was 297 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: really good golfer. I don't notice about Sunny. 298 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 3: Sunny is a really good golfer. Steven Mattz can hit 299 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 3: the golf ball like a country mile. He got three 300 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 3: homers in the show. He swings right handed. And we 301 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 3: golf the other day and I was like, hey, man, 302 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 3: if if you approached golfing like your bullpen. 303 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 4: You know you might be. He's like, He's like, no, man, 304 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 4: I see that ball sitting there on the team. I 305 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 4: just got to smash it. I'm like, all right, I 306 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 4: like that. I like that style. 307 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm that way most of the time. 308 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 3: But if my score gets two out of hand, I 309 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 3: try to try to rein it in a little bit. 310 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 3: But we've got some good golfers. Everyone will golf a 311 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 3: little bit. Lars Siani, you know some other guys I 312 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 3: haven't golf with. Lebby said he's pretty good at golf. 313 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 3: I needn't get him on the golf course. That would 314 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 3: be fun. I just like being outside. You you know, 315 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 3: you wake up on the road. Some places are tough. 316 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 3: We're gonna we run up in the Mets in a 317 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 3: couple of days. That's a tough You know, you're in 318 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 3: the city. If you're gonna play golf, it's like taking. 319 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 4: An hour to get there. You gotta get It's tough. 320 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 3: You ALUs have to if you're gonna play golf in 321 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 3: New York, you have to really like go out out 322 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 3: of Long Island and then just hit City Field on 323 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 3: your way back in and then just take everything back 324 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 3: with the bus at night before. 325 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: Except I left my clubs at the front. I went 326 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: out to satish Long Island. 327 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: I'm not bringing my clubs to the press box on 328 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: the subway, Are you kidding me? 329 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: It was I was linked to work. It was fun though. 330 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 3: Yeah we got Yeah, and then I think Sonny has 331 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 3: has some really nice golf line up for us in Atlanta, 332 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 3: so I'm excited about that. 333 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 334 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 3: It's like I said, I'd rather I'd rather be outside. 335 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 3: And every once in a while I'll go on like 336 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 3: golf now and just whatever course I can get. 337 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 4: It's closed, if it's a dog track, if it's nice 338 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 4: not nice, I don't really care. Sometimes I show up 339 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 4: and I have someone with me. It's just like I 340 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 4: got like the random Yeah, who was it? It was 341 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 4: like last year and it was the you know, the. 342 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 3: Like the sixty five year old guy who plays the 343 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 3: course like every Wednesday for like the last twenty years, 344 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 3: and he's got the first tea time out and he 345 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 3: goes off by himself. But I signed up for too 346 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 3: because I'm trying to get and just golf with random guy. 347 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 4: It's nice. I met him USU. He was a pretty 348 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 4: nice guy. 349 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: That's how you make friends. 350 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 2: You'll have to you have to update me on how 351 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 2: the golf in Atlanta does. I don't know if you've 352 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 2: ever played golf with Pedro. He's been a victim on the. 353 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 4: Show's Good Golfer, but. 354 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: No one posted good shots. 355 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: I think he's sandbagged me once, like the first time. 356 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 3: He's like, oh, I'm not in good at golf, Like 357 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 3: I'm not really good, And he had his first ball 358 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 3: like right down the mill and I was like, you lie, 359 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 3: people lying snake. 360 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: Well there there's been a lot of a lot of 361 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 2: posts on Instagram on Twitter of all of his bad shots, 362 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 2: and he is he's he said it does. He doesn't 363 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 2: think it's very fair because no one ever posts the 364 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: good shots, but I don't know I get to one. 365 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: But apparently, yeah. 366 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 4: No one posts a picture of a minnow. It's always 367 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 4: a guy with the marlin. 368 00:16:58,560 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 2: Right. 369 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: That's right, Miles, Where do you think you're at right now? 370 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I know twenty three and twenty four did 371 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 2: not go the way you wanted, both from a team 372 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 2: performance and a personal performance. We'll call that Boston start 373 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 2: out the window. But I really thought on Saturday there 374 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 2: were some a lot of good things to look forward 375 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 2: or just to spin off of, especially coming after that 376 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 2: first inning. 377 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know, it's always nice to see 378 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 3: like weird swings when you throw some pitches, like guys 379 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 3: like the weird check swings or you know, guys not 380 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 3: seeing it. 381 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 4: I think maybe I was hiding. 382 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 3: The ball better the other day, you know, staying close 383 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 3: a little bit longer. 384 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 4: But you know, my you know, physically, my. 385 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 3: Body everything, everything feels great, which is one of those 386 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 3: things like you know, you do you want to like 387 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 3: be pitching great, but like maybe like you don't feel good, 388 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 3: like your body heards, you're like pitching through things, but 389 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 3: pitching the good or you know, I had a rough one, 390 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 3: but other than that, I feel good about my stuff. 391 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 3: I like my stuff, and like, physically I feel really good, 392 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 3: So I know that, you know, things will only tread 393 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 3: in the right direction. 394 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 4: Like I'm not battling anything. I'm not really battling any. 395 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 3: Like unnormal soreness as far as like throwing or baseball goes. 396 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 3: So I know that just as the season progresses, and 397 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 3: you know, there's like a running joke, my best fastballs 398 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 3: will come in August. 399 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, you can actually go. 400 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 3: I've actually I've looked, because you know, every year you 401 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 3: show up the spring training, you're like, damn, I swear 402 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 3: at the end of last year, I was strolling like 403 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 3: ninety five ninety six. Every once in a while, I 404 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 3: could really reach back, and like you're reaching back early 405 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 3: in the season, you're like, dang, I really wish it 406 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 3: was there. 407 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 4: You're getting older, You're always thinking like did I lose it? 408 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:44,479 Speaker 4: Is this? 409 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 3: It is this the year that I just don't have 410 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 3: any extra heat in the back pocket. 411 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 4: And then I went on and looked, and it's like, 412 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 4: you know, there's this. 413 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,239 Speaker 3: Graph of like your fastball and my best ones are 414 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 3: always like July, August and even September some years. So yeah, 415 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 3: you know, you know I'm like like a sea biscuit, 416 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 3: you know, like the second half, you know, second half horse, 417 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 3: you know, coming from behind, underdog. Maybe I don't know, 418 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 3: but so there's like a running joke like, oh, you know, 419 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 3: I just got to get warmed up. The weather's it's cold, 420 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 3: the weather's got a. 421 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 2: Warm Yeah, I'll give you that, But no, I really 422 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 2: do think this stuff looks better. And you know, it's 423 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 2: it's a weird season. You're the longest tenured cardinal from 424 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,479 Speaker 2: the major league team, and I get this is the 425 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 2: youngest clubhouse you and I have ever seen. 426 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: So it's a little different. Everything's a little different. That's 427 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: all right. 428 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 3: Different can be good. I mean we're we're hitting the 429 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 3: ball super good. We're hitting all so well. I mean 430 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 3: we got to Wheeler the other day, and and Nola. 431 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 3: I mean that's too. The better guys in the league, 432 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 3: especially Wheeler and and Nola the last couple of years. 433 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 3: So to get to those guys when we scored, you know, 434 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 3: we got to schemes in Pittsburgh, and most of the 435 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 3: games we lost, you know, aside from even in Boston, 436 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 3: like you know, the one game we lost in Boston, 437 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 3: you know, extra innings and all the games for the Angels, 438 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 3: you know, those games, all those close games are falling 439 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 3: our way, and. 440 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 4: It's a it's it's it's a way different story. 441 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 2: I don't think you guys are you know, seven and 442 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,479 Speaker 2: eight before the Houston series. We'll see how this is 443 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 2: at the end of the month, but you know, stay 444 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: around right like right around five hundred. 445 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: I think you guys will be just fine from there. 446 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 4: But we'll see on the on the better half of that, 447 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 4: i'd like to imagine. 448 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not doubting. 449 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 2: I really do feel like this team has a lot 450 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 2: of positive attributes that we're probably not seen all the 451 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 2: way just because of the fan apathy and frustration based 452 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 2: off the off season, which, as you know, it doesn't 453 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 2: really have much to do with the players. 454 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, and you know, we sweep the first 455 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 3: series and then I get like the weather's not great, 456 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 3: but like we sweep the first series, and then like 457 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 3: the first game of the next series is like not 458 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 3: as many people as you'd like to see at the game. 459 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 3: You know, sometimes the fan base will turn around that 460 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 3: they swept the series. They're back, They're great, this is 461 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 3: gonna be awesome, Like, let's go people are holding back. 462 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 3: I understand they're they're they're a little bit wary of us. 463 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 3: But we got some great baseball coming up, especially if 464 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 3: this weather gets nice and hopefully the seeds start filling 465 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 3: up a little bit better. 466 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 2: And one thing you and I both know about Cardinals 467 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 2: fans is that the Cardinals continue to win, the fans 468 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 2: will show up. 469 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: I don't think they see it. 470 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, you know, for for the sake 471 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 3: of argument, Yeah, there's there's winning team, there's entertaining teams. 472 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 4: We're very entertaining. 473 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: You guys are very entertaining. 474 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 4: The salesman in me is gonna pitch. 475 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 3: You know, come, come out to the game, enjoy the game, 476 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 3: Enjoy the weather, especially in the spring when it's still 477 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 3: nice in August when it's one hundred for those day games. 478 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 3: I understand that, you know, you want to make sure 479 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 3: you get a seat in the shade, but right now, 480 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 3: fill up the stadium. The weather's nice, Come out and watch, 481 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 3: you know, watch the ball game, Appreciate the effort that 482 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 3: we're putting forth, and and enjoy it. 483 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 2: Miles were almost set time here, but I did want 484 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 2: to deserve some time for your rant on youth sports. 485 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 2: And if you've ever listened to a Miles Michael's rant, 486 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 2: it can go anywhere. So I'm listening and the floor 487 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 2: is yours. 488 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 4: All I want to. 489 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 3: Say is like the emphasis on winning and the stuff 490 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 3: that I hear from other people, like emphasis on winning 491 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 3: at a young age, like I've had almost enough of it. 492 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 3: Maybe like that eleven to twelve, like the Little Big 493 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 3: World series age, then we can really focus on winning. 494 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 3: But you got like machine pitch coaches arguing about how 495 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 3: many runs they scored kids six or seven years old. 496 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 3: I think it's fun, Like with the walkup songs, I 497 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 3: think it's fun. 498 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 4: Some of the stuff. 499 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 3: I can't believe that the parents letting their children listen 500 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 3: to some of the music. I hope it's an edited 501 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 3: version even if it's not, like it's suggestive and kids 502 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 3: don't know what the words mean sometimes. But you know, 503 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 3: my kids listen to like the classic country, classic rock, 504 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 3: you know, things like that, and there's there's messages in 505 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 3: all the music. But some of the walkout songs, the 506 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 3: kids come out, So I'm like, that's not appropriate even 507 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 3: to editing, I don't think. But you also you don't 508 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 3: need to walk out song. I get like they want 509 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 3: to have the slag. They want to be like the 510 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 3: pros they see on TV. But I think it's a 511 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 3: little much. I mean, when I was in a little league, 512 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 3: all you had to do was were your hat backwards 513 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 3: like hanger for junior, and that was like the big thing. 514 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 4: Now it's like, you know, arm inviting me. 515 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 3: I heard someone complain his kids were a little older. 516 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 3: I heard of a friend of mine complaining they they're 517 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 3: kids like ten years old, and they allow steals. The 518 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 3: kid gets on first base, he steals second. No catchers 519 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 3: can throw the ball to second base because he's only 520 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 3: ten years old. 521 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 4: And then it's a bad throw, and then the kid 522 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 4: runs the third. Every hit is a triple stop, the stealing, stop, 523 00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 4: rushing these kids. 524 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 3: Let them work on the skills and the fundamentals, especially 525 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 3: at a younger age. In this machine pitch league. They 526 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 3: you know, like a routine ground ball to shortstop. Sometimes 527 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 3: the coaches will tell the shortstop to just eat it, 528 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 3: like don't throw it. 529 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 4: Because if he throws it, it's a fifty to fifty. 530 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 3: Chance or probably better than that, that the ball goes 531 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 3: to the fence and that the kid's going to be 532 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 3: on second base. If I was running these leagues. There's 533 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 3: no taking an extra base unless it's like a throw 534 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 3: to third base, you know, like maybe getting a force 535 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 3: out and then the guy can score, Like you can 536 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 3: take home plate if it's a bath, or to third. 537 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 3: But like, let the kid run first base, let him 538 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 3: run all the way through. Make the kid at shortstop 539 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 3: or third base make the throw. Let him practice the 540 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 3: throw in real time, whether the guy safe or out 541 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 3: or he throws it over his head or throw his legs. 542 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 3: But let him make the throw and leave the kid 543 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 3: on first base. Keep the force play at second base 544 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 3: in line so the kids can learn that when there's 545 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 3: a guy on first that you feel it, then you 546 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 3: can get an easier out at. 547 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 4: Second because you end up with ground ball, short stoff. 548 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 3: The kid throws it at the first base or you 549 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 3: know whatever, he's on second. Now there's no force play. 550 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 3: Now the kids don't understand. They get the ball, the 551 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 3: kids on second, they're not understanding, like where to do 552 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 3: they throw it to third? But it's not a force 553 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 3: and it just like it it messes with the whole 554 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 3: flow of the game. 555 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 4: Like, let him play the game the right way. 556 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 3: Encourage them to throw and make the play it, not 557 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 3: just like, oh, don't make an error, don't throw it 558 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 3: like that. 559 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 4: That drives me nuts. I'm like, throw the ball, just 560 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 4: throw it. 561 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 3: And if I was a coach, when I am a 562 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 3: coach in the future, I'll try to get the other 563 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 3: coaches on board. 564 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 4: I'll be like, hey, let's not take extra bases today. 565 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 4: Let the kid throw it. 566 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 3: Let's not take extra bases. I bet you the game 567 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 3: will go buy faster. The kid will still be safe, 568 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 3: he won't be out. Like keep the force play alive. 569 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,959 Speaker 3: The game might even move, The game would move quicker. 570 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 3: Maybe guys would get more bats or more reps and 571 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,719 Speaker 3: this like it just you know, let them play, let 572 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 3: them play, let them let them develop. And then like 573 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 3: the kids doing the travel ball seven eight years old 574 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 3: travel team. There used to be one travel team in 575 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 3: Jupiter when I was growing up. 576 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 4: When I got a little older, there were maybe two. 577 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 4: Now there's like, you know, you. 578 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 3: Have like organizations, Yeah, like you know, the the Jupiter 579 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 3: Whoever's they've got a ten or twelve and a fourteen 580 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 3: year old team. They've got an A team and a 581 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 3: B team for each age. And it's like, I don't know, 582 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 3: I don't know what we're doing. I didn't play. I 583 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 3: don't think I played travel ball. Really, you know, you 584 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 3: play Little League and then you play All Stars. I 585 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 3: know it's different now, but I think the I think 586 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 3: the reps are good. But driving halfway across the state 587 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 3: for nine year olds to have six of bets off 588 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 3: a coach or a machine and then not even throw 589 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 3: the ball across the diamond because they're worried about making 590 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 3: an air and the kids taking second base, I don't 591 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 3: I don't get it. And I read an article or 592 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 3: an excerpt from an article that was talking about the 593 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 3: Tommy John surgeries over the last however long, and it 594 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 3: was twenty of them. Out of the twenty pictures, nineteen 595 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 3: of them were American born pictures, and one of them 596 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 3: was a Latin player. And it was a knock on 597 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 3: the travel ball, Like just do everything you can to 598 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 3: throw hard at a young age, and you know, mechanics 599 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 3: be danged, or you know, your body be darned, just 600 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 3: you gotta throw hard. 601 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 4: You gotta throw hard, you gotta throw hard. 602 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 3: And these kids are blown out, you know, younger than ever, 603 00:27:58,560 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 3: earlier than ever, and like. 604 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: More often they ever travel culture. 605 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 3: Not it, No, it's not and that that was the 606 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 3: whole point, is that at some point there has to 607 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 3: be a shift in the way that travel ball and 608 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 3: all these things kind of work so kids can stay 609 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 3: healthy and baseball can stay you know, the way it is. 610 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 2: For those of you wondering what reporters and players talk 611 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 2: about in the hour of clubhouse every day, that that's 612 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 2: about it. 613 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 1: Very little work. Some some reporters do work, not not 614 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: necessarily me. 615 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 2: Uh, my favorite thing about you, Miles is that I 616 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 2: never know what we're going to talk about. 617 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 4: We've done. 618 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 2: I mean, we've talked about the carnivore diet, We've talked about. 619 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: This, so many things, like there's so. 620 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 3: Many things going on in the you know, in today's 621 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 3: day and age. 622 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 4: There's always you know, all I do. 623 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 3: Is, you know, read the internet news for just a 624 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 3: for just a minute and got all different stuff. 625 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 2: We never run out of things to talk about. I 626 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 2: also noticed that you've had a baseball in your hand 627 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 2: this entire podcast, and I've had a pen in my 628 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 2: hand this entire time. I think this is a true 629 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 2: I don't know, and body is the we're just master masters. 630 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: Of our craft. 631 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 3: Lyndy had a great game the other day. Always has 632 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 3: a baseball in his hand. I'm seeing if maybe that's the. 633 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: Sunny does too. 634 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 3: Sonny always has, always, always in a baseball, always like 635 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 3: messing with the grip. I'm on, you know, working on 636 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 3: your grips. So some days some grips feel great and 637 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 3: some days they feel like I don't even want to, 638 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 3: Like I'm kind of like wash my hands on it. 639 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: No, I don't want it. 640 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. 641 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 2: Well, hopefully your next start, which is Friday against the 642 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 2: New York Mets, is another great one. 643 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: We'll see, but I. 644 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 2: Know you have to get to the stadium and so 645 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 2: do I. So, hey, thank you so much for doing this. 646 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 2: I always appreciate it time outside of the work hours. Yeah, 647 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 2: that's Miles Michaelis. You know him, you love him. I'm 648 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 2: Katie Wu. This is Cardinal Territory. We'll be back later 649 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 2: in the week, Bernie Michlas and I will wrap up 650 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 2: the Astro series. 651 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: Until then, thanks for watching, Myles. I'll see you in 652 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: a little bit. 653 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 4: Thank you so much, See you later.