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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody. Scott Patterson, aimal and podcast one of them productions, iHeartRadio,
Speaker 1: iHeart Media, iHeart Podcast Seeds seven, Episode twenty LAURLILRELEI.
Speaker 3: I loved it. It was good.
Speaker 1: That's everybody. Just calm down, Just calm down. Let me
Speaker 1: get through this. My intrepid crew, Amy Sugarman, Danielle Romo,
Speaker 1: Suzanne French And there's Scott Patterson right there, Hi, Scott,
Speaker 1: how you doing? Uh? Tara? Where's Tara is Tara.
Speaker 4: She'll be here soon.
Speaker 2: She's going to be in the room with you, Daniel.
Speaker 4: We're going to be trading places for.
Speaker 2: She's coming in and then I'm gonna have.
Speaker 4: To leave and then I'll be back on.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, musical.
Speaker 4: I know it's gonna be musical. Fourth A.
Speaker 1: Seriously, what's with the room you're in? Why are you
Speaker 1: in a basement at the CIA?
Speaker 4: Tell you Dora and I had to go into the
Speaker 4: office today, so I'm in essentially a storage closet.
Speaker 2: But also a ka. You can say what it is.
Speaker 4: Can I? Yeah, it's Ryan Seacrest's dressing room, but we're
Speaker 4: it's about to be completely renovated, which.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we want to redecorate it and put some wallpaper
Speaker 2: up and make it like really viby and cool.
Speaker 4: So this is pre pre renovation.
Speaker 1: Wow, can you show us some maybe some you just
Speaker 1: want to hang garbage in the background, Ryan Seacrest.
Speaker 4: It's literally a storage close right now.
Speaker 2: It will be a.
Speaker 1: Really cool they go in high style.
Speaker 4: It will be cool soon.
Speaker 2: Do you have a nice dressing room when you do
Speaker 2: your show? You see your new show, your CW show,
Speaker 2: Sullivan's Crossing. Is it a trailer or a dressing room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's not the big, big trailer. It's like
Speaker 1: the half a trailer.
Speaker 2: It's not like the Simon cow bus he used to
Speaker 2: have at.
Speaker 1: Oh no, oh no, no no.
Speaker 2: Does it have its own potty?
Speaker 1: Of course it does.
Speaker 2: Who would know. Does it have a kitchen?
Speaker 1: It doesn't have a kitchen, but it has a sink
Speaker 1: and it has.
Speaker 2: A refrigerating Okaytor Garner making full meals in hers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they have these big pop out trailers just
Speaker 1: star wagons. There's huge trailers, you know.
Speaker 2: Do you want me to tell you a little trivia
Speaker 2: about star wagons? Yes, okay, yes, I think we've probably
Speaker 2: talked about this in pop culture at some point. But
Speaker 2: Wonder Woman starred Linda Carter and Lyle Wagoner as Steve Trevor,
Speaker 2: and then after he invented star wagons. That's why they
Speaker 2: have two g's.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and people that don't know what star wagons are.
Speaker 1: Every actor that's done a production since this what the
Speaker 1: same news or the eighties or whatever uses the star
Speaker 1: wagon as their.
Speaker 2: You know, genius invention because he probably made a fortune.
Speaker 2: Oh now I have to google Lyle Wagner Network m
Speaker 2: h Well, you continue, and they have.
Speaker 1: Things called three bangers, so there's three trailers in one trailer,
Speaker 1: and then they have double bangers, which is two trailers
Speaker 1: in one trailer, two rooms. And then they have you know,
Speaker 1: your big room, which is what the stars get, right,
Speaker 1: the big and then there's like different levels of the
Speaker 1: big trailers. So like at Denzel Washington will basically have
Speaker 1: his own city built for him made out of trailers.
Speaker 2: And you have half of one.
Speaker 1: I have, well, everybody has a half one on Sullivan's.
Speaker 1: We're not quite at the point yet where we have all.
Speaker 2: This says at the time of his death, which I
Speaker 2: didn't realize he died. That's very sad. He was worth
Speaker 2: forty million, pretty good. I bet he made a lot
Speaker 2: of that off those star wagons.
Speaker 1: Forty mil doesn't stink, that.
Speaker 2: Does not does. He was a handsome guy too.
Speaker 1: Wow, he was. He was stunning, he really was he.
Speaker 2: Anyway, join us next week.
Speaker 1: For more useless crap. Yeah, anyway, can we talk about
Speaker 1: that that poster behind you? I love that poster behind you.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. I'm in a rental, so I'm in Tahoe,
Speaker 2: but my house I have a very small house here
Speaker 2: and it's full because my nieces are here and my
Speaker 2: brother and my sister in law and my mom. So
Speaker 2: good old me has to rent another place down the like.
Speaker 2: It's in the same community. And I was at a
Speaker 2: different place last night, but then someone was coming into
Speaker 2: this one, so I had to run. That's why I
Speaker 2: look a wreck. I had to run to this one.
Speaker 2: But I know there's like a scheme.
Speaker 4: Wait, that's so fun. Why are you guys all there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because remember when we were supposed to take vacation
Speaker 2: fourth of July, Danielle and I had to work the
Speaker 2: whole time. No.
Speaker 3: Uh, we just came for a little.
Speaker 2: Trip my friend's fiftieth birthday. Shout out to Sarah Painting. Suzanne,
Speaker 2: you're also in a weird place.
Speaker 3: Where are you? Yes, I am also in a rental
Speaker 3: and not too far from Tahoe. I'm in Reno there.
Speaker 3: What are you guys doing so well? My son goes
Speaker 3: to college up here and he started band camp and
Speaker 3: so we came back up yesterday to move him back.
Speaker 2: Do you know one of our producers went to un
Speaker 2: R I did know that. Actually, she's a total baller.
Speaker 2: She's like so legit.
Speaker 3: Okay, I met her on the very first time I
Speaker 3: recorded with you guys. She was on that call.
Speaker 2: What's band camp other than something funny from American Pot.
Speaker 3: Well, he's in the marching band and he's in the
Speaker 3: leadership so they have like a two day leadership session
Speaker 3: thing and then the rest of the band will come
Speaker 3: check in on Sunday.
Speaker 2: So he's in the UNR marching band. H that's pretty legit.
Speaker 2: What's his instrument.
Speaker 3: He mostly plays alto sacks, but he also plays tenor sometimes.
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, fantastic Speaking of alto sacks, what about a synopsisization?
Speaker 2: Wait while you guys do that, I'm just moving my
Speaker 2: fan a tiny bit closer because I'm having a hot
Speaker 2: flash or I'm just hot I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well she's having our hot flash.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
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Speaker 4: before I might have to jump. Should I go for it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Go for it.
Speaker 4: This is Season seven, Episode twenty Lorelai Lorelei Air date
Speaker 4: May one, two thousand and seven. With Rory fretting over
Speaker 4: her future after graduation, Loralai decides to cheer up with
Speaker 4: a day of shopping, eating, and karaoke, and Zach gets
Speaker 4: an opportunity of a lifetime and Luke's summer boat trip
Speaker 4: gets canceled. Plus and unexpect did question from Logan that
Speaker 4: could change Rory's life forever. I feel like every storyline
Speaker 4: in this episode was beyond.
Speaker 1: No yeah, no, no good strong episode. Really. I think
Speaker 1: David Rosenthal wrote a great episode, and it was it
Speaker 1: was your muted, Amy.
Speaker 2: What I muted? I'm singing? Could you not hear me singing?
Speaker 2: It muted my singing microphone and knew, I literally knew
Speaker 2: I was singing.
Speaker 1: Have one of those microphones If you're off k it
Speaker 1: just shuts down.
Speaker 2: I'll just speak it and I will always love that.
Speaker 4: I thought Lauren Graham in that moment, like having to
Speaker 4: sing when you don't really, it's so funny.
Speaker 2: As Lauren Graham went onto that later on to that
Speaker 2: singing show that the name has escaped to.
Speaker 3: Me Zoe's extraordinary playlist.
Speaker 2: Yes, and she sang again.
Speaker 1: Shed she was in a musical. Yeah, she's guys and dolls.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she like not like she was not singing like
Speaker 4: a singer.
Speaker 1: Correct, she was singing like Laura la not like Lauren. O.
Speaker 4: Gosh, it's so good.
Speaker 2: That's even harder.
Speaker 4: It's like, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: And the Dolly version is a little different than the
Speaker 3: Whitney version too.
Speaker 2: So correct. I thought this was a great episode, especially
Speaker 2: after coming off of the one I didn't love as much.
Speaker 4: This was very This was for me very season three
Speaker 4: and four. This was great.
Speaker 2: I like your descriptor correct.
Speaker 1: The opening was very experimental, very very French in some ways.
Speaker 3: Very loved the dream dream. I could totally relate to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a kick in the parents to see uh,
Speaker 1: Paris and Doyle with kids sitting in the kitchen. Oh hi, Roy,
Speaker 1: give her her Walmart costume.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm out of here. I'm going to Hawaii.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to be back, right, It's good.
Speaker 2: We just go through it.
Speaker 1: What do you want to do, guys, Well, that's why
Speaker 1: we're here.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: So dream sequence in the beginning, I just loved all
Speaker 3: the juxtapositions. She's at children, but she's a grown up.
Speaker 3: She's got what's her name's Doyle and Paris living in
Speaker 3: her kitchen with their kids. Yeah. I thought it was
Speaker 3: a great scene.
Speaker 2: And we had what's his face back and I'm so
Speaker 2: sorry to say, what's his face.
Speaker 1: Who's what's his face?
Speaker 2: The guy from Chilton.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, headmaster, Charles, head master.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, you come back.
Speaker 3: And she walks like straight from the classroom into larealized palas.
Speaker 3: I just I liked that scene. I thought it was
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 2: A huge like it was a dream fan, but I
Speaker 2: didn't hate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, seen, but it was it was, you know, a
Speaker 1: little change of gears kind.
Speaker 2: Of that was sort of like cute, fine, you know,
Speaker 2: it takes me back to your first kiss, which was
Speaker 2: in a dream scene, which I said, I'm always not
Speaker 2: thrilled with. It's like it's the old like did you
Speaker 2: have to write a story in third grade? And then
Speaker 2: the end you're like and it was a dream like.
Speaker 2: It was always the little like way out, and it's
Speaker 2: kind of like.
Speaker 3: Let's better.
Speaker 1: Look at the family friendly show trying to be all interesting.
Speaker 1: Isn't that cute?
Speaker 3: So then after the opening credits were at Emily and
Speaker 3: Richard's house and Richard is hard attack all gone, Richard's
Speaker 3: all back to new back to you know, his old self.
Speaker 3: He's got a clean bill of health. I really liked
Speaker 3: Rory's dress. I know, people like were getting on me
Speaker 3: because I didn't like Laurela's dress in the last episode,
Speaker 3: but I loved Rory's blue dress in this scene. It
Speaker 3: was really pretty. And this is where she tells the
Speaker 3: all three of them, Lorelei and Richard and Emily that
Speaker 3: she didn't get the internship. So that was yeah for her,
Speaker 3: And of course, you know, Richard and Emily are outraged.
Speaker 3: How could that happen?
Speaker 2: I know, this was a good scene though. This is
Speaker 2: a good scene, and I actually think it was you know,
Speaker 2: she sort of delivered that subtly and it had more impact.
Speaker 4: You're like, yeah, I did think it was funny that
Speaker 4: Emily and Richard were also talking about nepotism. I'm like,
Speaker 4: that is so with the trends nowadays.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: So I'm not down with this. Rory's a failure kind
Speaker 1: of thing. I mean, it's okay to struggle a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I just I always think, and forgive me, but
Speaker 1: I always think how much more interesting it would be
Speaker 1: if she did get the job.
Speaker 2: I agree with you.
Speaker 1: And she did move to New York and it created
Speaker 1: more complications for Logan and her relocating, and I.
Speaker 2: Totally agree with you, and it doesn't for the Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it doesn't track for the character. So it's my
Speaker 2: one doesn't.
Speaker 1: Track for the character, and ve why look and Laura
Speaker 1: are going to get married? When's when's Rory going to
Speaker 1: be successful? It has the same impact.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm gonna say it now. It is the
Speaker 2: biggest sort of huh in the movies whatever you want
Speaker 2: to call them, you know, the movies, We'll just call
Speaker 2: them the movies, is this is the start of Rory's
Speaker 2: sort of like career trajectory, and it just does not
Speaker 2: track at all with who Rory has been and the
Speaker 2: Rory we know. I find it to be a weird decision.
Speaker 2: And I'm curious because obviously maybe Amy Sherman Palladino was
Speaker 2: going this way with the character because this new group
Speaker 2: went that way, but they continued it in the movie.
Speaker 2: So if Amy didn't like it, I would think she
Speaker 2: would change it from the movies, and she didn't. So
Speaker 2: it was like, so weird.
Speaker 1: It's odd to be so deeply invested into a character.
Speaker 1: And you could argue that, you know, Rory's the lead
Speaker 1: of the show. I mean, you know, you could easily
Speaker 1: switch the numbers right, one becomes two to two, it
Speaker 1: becomes one or there's two number one, So there's either
Speaker 1: narrative is as impactful and key to the success of
Speaker 1: the show. And to do that to to Rory, I
Speaker 1: think really, and I think if an audience, if a
Speaker 1: fan base begins disliking a character, whose fault is that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Is it the writing?
Speaker 2: Is it the actor question?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? And do you really want
Speaker 1: to go down that road? So I think she suffers
Speaker 1: a far worse fate as a character than Luke and Laurel.
Speaker 1: I do because they never ended up getting married. I
Speaker 1: think there was, you know, a temporary down trend in
Speaker 1: you know, fan reaction or fan loyalty to the Luke
Speaker 1: and Laurel narrative when they when he was disengaging and
Speaker 1: not including her in the April thing and you know,
Speaker 1: what a jerk and he's you know, taking his hits
Speaker 1: here and now. But they got back together. But but Rory,
Speaker 1: it's like, this is a this is a downward trend
Speaker 1: that she doesn't seem to be able to get out of.
Speaker 2: I mean, she's such an interesting question.
Speaker 1: Why we're watching our beloved Rory in a downward spiral
Speaker 1: that she can't get out of and we're just why
Speaker 1: she's always.
Speaker 2: Been a straight a student went to Yale. Like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: but she would get a job, some job just based
Speaker 2: off the fact that she's and she probably did very
Speaker 2: well at Yale. We don't exactly know, but it's like
Speaker 2: she's going to get a job and the fact that
Speaker 2: she sort of doesn't is kind of weird so far, right,
Speaker 2: Like now, I know we did talk about it, like, look,
Speaker 2: going for the New York Times is a lofty place,
Speaker 2: that's the crem of cream of the crop, right, But
Speaker 2: I think there's plenty of papers, news stations, all kinds
Speaker 2: of things where she could have gotten a great job
Speaker 2: and really been on her way. So maybe not the
Speaker 2: New York Times, but maybe w ABC, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. It's so weird that the character isn't thriving.
Speaker 1: And now so pathetic, actually pathetic begging for a job
Speaker 1: at the.
Speaker 2: Absolutely hard.
Speaker 1: It's hard to watch. And that's not why I'm watching
Speaker 1: this show, you know, I'm watching the show for other
Speaker 1: reasons because I know what I'm going to get even within,
Speaker 1: you know, the absurdity that that Amy and Dan achieve,
Speaker 1: and the and the existential absurdity that they achieved. It's
Speaker 1: Kirk and Patty and Sally and more all that stuff,
Speaker 1: But you're messing with a lead character like that, it's.
Speaker 2: Counterintuitive to what the show really is. Because what the
Speaker 2: show is in its core, right, is this mother and daughter,
Speaker 2: very young mother, teen daughter, right, and and the comes
Speaker 2: from all this wealth, and this is the straight A kid.
Speaker 2: This is the kid. Yes, she has a few hiccups
Speaker 2: along the way, but she's like the good kid that's
Speaker 2: best friends with her mom and gets straight a's and
Speaker 2: gets into Harvard and Yale. It's this whole trajectory of like,
Speaker 2: Loralai raised this amazing kid, right despite all the odds.
Speaker 2: So it's so weird that like, as we're coming to
Speaker 2: the end, she's failing now like what Like it's just
Speaker 2: so weird and like.
Speaker 1: Like allow her to succeed and place obstacles in front
Speaker 1: of her as she's succeeding, and give us the fear
Speaker 1: of death that she's going to get fired from the
Speaker 1: New York Times. But then something miraculous happened. So there's
Speaker 1: all kinds of like if they did the Yale Daily
Speaker 1: Newsroom that well and created so much comedy and so
Speaker 1: much drama, and so much feeling in that dynamic. They
Speaker 1: could have done it even better with The New York
Speaker 1: Times because there's more to work with there.
Speaker 2: Thank you, because you told us at this time, you
Speaker 2: did not know that you weren't coming back. So why
Speaker 2: are they setting up Ry to be a failure. They
Speaker 2: should have gotten she should maybe not the New York Times, right,
Speaker 2: but get her a job at the Chronicle or the
Speaker 2: Chicago Sun Times, whatever it is to tee us up
Speaker 2: for like maybe season eight. So weird, Like what, okay,
Speaker 2: so she's just gonna go back to start. It's just weird.
Speaker 3: I just have to point out we do still have
Speaker 3: two episodes.
Speaker 2: Correct, correct, correct, right right.
Speaker 3: I understand it's too early to say that she's a
Speaker 3: failure because there's more coming.
Speaker 1: I'll just I'm okay, so here's my sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 3: No, I was just gonna say, I actually don't mind
Speaker 3: watching Rory's struggle. I don't like those people that are
Speaker 3: because you're s I've just you know, as a parent
Speaker 3: of you know, college aged kids, I've seen it happen,
Speaker 3: like those super intense kids self destruct like it just
Speaker 3: it's not it's not unrealistic. And Rory has had this
Speaker 3: life where first Laurel I, and then Richard and Emily
Speaker 3: and the town like they all put her on this
Speaker 3: pedalcl like you are the most glorious creature that ever
Speaker 3: landed on the earth, and then she started to believe it.
Speaker 1: So that mean okay, But let me ask you this, Susanne.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: Not to interrupt, but let me ask you this what
Speaker 1: I think Amy and I are saying. And I don't
Speaker 1: mean to put words in your mouth because nobody needs
Speaker 1: to put words in that.
Speaker 2: I'm happy to have you.
Speaker 1: There plenty of words there. How does this you asked yourself,
Speaker 1: how does this show? How does Gilmore Girls operate best?
Speaker 1: Does it operate best as a drama or does it
Speaker 1: operate best and realistic drama depicting real life? Or does
Speaker 1: it operate best as a light, breezy sort of comedic fantasy.
Speaker 1: Second second, I agree, and that's when, and and also
Speaker 1: another another you know, uh truth about a show? Or
Speaker 1: if you if you want to use a really bad
Speaker 1: analogy which is dead on as the stock market, what
Speaker 1: if you know Apple drops one hundred points, it's going
Speaker 1: to bring the whole market down. So the really big
Speaker 1: stocks are going to bring the whole market down when
Speaker 1: the market if it has a bad earnings report. Okay,
Speaker 1: she's apple, She's Rory is the apple of the Gilmore
Speaker 1: Girls stock market. And if she's going down, the show
Speaker 1: goes down. So that's all I'm saying. There's a macro
Speaker 1: at a micro and the macro is you don't I
Speaker 1: don't really think you want to mess with the lead
Speaker 1: characters in this way, you know, because you're you're dangling
Speaker 1: the character far too close to disaster, and that's not
Speaker 1: what the show is about for me. Anyway, that's my.
Speaker 2: Two is any the first? Then I'll say my piece.
Speaker 3: Well, I was just gonna say I understand that perspective,
Speaker 3: and I agree with it to a certain extent, But
Speaker 3: I also want to say, like Rory's personality started changing
Speaker 3: several seasons ago, this isn't a change for her because
Speaker 3: when she went to Yale and you know, started living
Speaker 3: this rich life that Emily and Richard exposed her to,
Speaker 3: she lost that humility. If you look at the Rory
Speaker 3: in like season five, six seven, it's very different than
Speaker 3: the Rory that was at Chilton. And so the fact
Speaker 3: that she didn't get the fellowship. I didn't have a
Speaker 3: problem with that because it's like I said, I don't
Speaker 3: mind seeing her struggle. She told Laurel I that she
Speaker 3: said herself that she got cocky and she was, you know,
Speaker 3: basically believing her own hype.
Speaker 1: And but how was that funny? How is that entertaining? Well,
Speaker 1: so what I was saying, I'm I'm in it for
Speaker 1: some laugh, to feel good, to be enlightened, to you know,
Speaker 1: to enjoy the time that I'm spending with the characters.
Speaker 1: I'm not in it to get down and to that degree,
Speaker 1: because that's right, and I get your point. You are right,
Speaker 1: the character did change, and I'm not saying that's a
Speaker 1: good thing.
Speaker 2: Make a yeah, And we've got a couple episodes. Still
Speaker 2: my bigger beef with this same topic. Stay tuned because
Speaker 2: when we get to the movies, I will really go
Speaker 2: off on this topic because that's where I'm like, what
Speaker 2: has happened to our girl? Like, truly, what is going on?
Speaker 1: It's not what you know. If if we want to
Speaker 1: go down, down, down, do it with lesser characters. If
Speaker 1: they want to really go down like this anyway, Tara
Speaker 1: joins us. Hello, Tara, it's been a minute, we've missed you.
Speaker 1: Welcome back.
Speaker 5: Oh, yes, welcome back Tara to come back.
Speaker 2: Tom has subbed in for Danielle. Like it's a like
Speaker 2: we're in a soccer game here.
Speaker 1: He said, Susanne, you're one hundred percent right. It's just
Speaker 1: how I want to consume this show. Yeah, where I
Speaker 1: think it. I think it works at its best. You know,
Speaker 1: I like to ski the deep powder, you know, you
Speaker 1: like the groomers. It's all good.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a good analogy, good analogy.
Speaker 3: There is a lot of Rory hate out there in
Speaker 3: the fandom because basically what you're saying, like, they feel
Speaker 3: that she they ruined the character basically because they, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of changed her personality or changed her perspective. I'm
Speaker 3: just saying it's not something brand new that happened in
Speaker 3: this episode. It happened several seasons ago and has been gradual.
Speaker 3: But I you know, I think definitely a lot of
Speaker 3: people are on board with you in that opinion.
Speaker 1: Okay, So imagine all the mothers and daughters watch the
Speaker 1: show together, bonding over this show, repairing their relationships or
Speaker 1: just bonding even deeper with great relationships, and they're worshiping
Speaker 1: this show, right, and that's what mothers and daughters have
Speaker 1: been doing since two thousand. Okay, generations of younger aspirational
Speaker 1: girls bonding with their mothers watching these two characters. And
Speaker 1: to do this to that character and to disappoint the
Speaker 1: fan base to that degree on such a deep level,
Speaker 1: I think is not a good idea. I just I
Speaker 1: am not I'm not down with it. I think it
Speaker 1: was a bad, bad.
Speaker 2: Choice, Juzanne. Do the fans think that the character was
Speaker 2: ruined kind of along the seasons of Gilmour Girls or
Speaker 2: with the movies? Because I really feel it in the movies.
Speaker 2: I would agree with you, Amy.
Speaker 5: I think that if it was left here with Rory's storyline,
Speaker 5: I would have been not happy. But I think that
Speaker 5: it was ruined more with the movies. Yeah, for me,
Speaker 5: that was just ever razy.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people I think there's a
Speaker 3: spectrum of opinions, obviously, but a lot of people think
Speaker 3: it really started much earlier than that, when she slept
Speaker 3: with Dean and she was like, oh why Dean, like,
Speaker 3: you know, to have Dean because he was her boyfriend first,
Speaker 3: and then it kind of snowballed from there and then
Speaker 3: once she was hanging out with Logan and now she's
Speaker 3: stealing yachts. She would never have come up with the
Speaker 3: idea to steal a yacht if she wasn't with Logan,
Speaker 3: like the children would never have come up with that idea.
Speaker 2: But she sure thought of the idea to sleep with
Speaker 2: Dean all on her own. So my thing is like,
Speaker 2: the character is not perfect. Rory has flaws. Sorry if
Speaker 2: I sound so loud, Rory has flaws. That being said,
Speaker 2: those flaws, I was sort of like, those were intriguing
Speaker 2: teenage twenty something flaws. This is sort of.
Speaker 1: Just it's a different show. It's a different show thing
Speaker 1: for me, it's a different show.
Speaker 2: I didn't mind the sleeping with Dean or the yacht stealing.
Speaker 2: Found it kind of interesting to the character. I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: she's making mistakes. This is sort of like this girl's
Speaker 2: going to get a job, and she's too smart to
Speaker 2: have turned down a job betting on another. That's not
Speaker 2: what the decision Rory would have made. Yeah, what's it
Speaker 2: the saying too in the hand is worth? What is
Speaker 2: that one.
Speaker 1: In a basket is worth one one two in the
Speaker 1: hand is worth?
Speaker 2: I don't know what, don't cut off your face despite
Speaker 2: your nose.
Speaker 1: No, don't cut off your right, don't throw.
Speaker 3: The baby out with the bath water, right, But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I guess I just figured for that. The
Speaker 3: rest of fellowship specifically, there's only four people in the
Speaker 3: entire country, right, right, I'm not mad to put all
Speaker 3: her eggs in that basket. But she did, and so
Speaker 3: now she's going to have to do you with the
Speaker 3: fallout from now?
Speaker 2: So what now I've lost lost our track here.
Speaker 3: I know, we like went off on a tangent.
Speaker 2: We're on the opening scene.
Speaker 5: It's so funny because I message Jack.
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, where are we so I can jump in.
Speaker 2: She's like we just started and I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: but anyway, Yeah, So we were just talking about that
Speaker 2: first scene where she's at dinner with them. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: good scene, but good scene. Happy to see the grandparent gilmore.
Speaker 5: Nice to see Richard doing better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and not so like not so annoying, not ch acoustic
Speaker 2: with each other. It's like, oh that was I was
Speaker 2: not into that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And not a lot of Emily in this No, No,
Speaker 1: isn't it odd to have Emily in a scene and
Speaker 1: she doesn't say that much. That's true.
Speaker 3: So then we go to uh Luke's diner and Lorlai
Speaker 3: walks in, and Babbett and Miss Patty are whispering because
Speaker 3: they're saving their voices for their I thought it was
Speaker 3: funny when she's they said they were trying.
Speaker 2: That was funny.
Speaker 3: Actually, I was like, I think that ship has sailed.
Speaker 2: That was funny. They were great in this episode.
Speaker 3: They were They really stole the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the hat.
Speaker 3: So laurel I notices.
Speaker 2: Luke is back when totally.
Speaker 3: And he kind of gives her funny look like why
Speaker 3: are you staring at me? So that was a cute scene.
Speaker 3: And then so then they talk about the boat trip
Speaker 3: that Luke is planning.
Speaker 1: With waitman, is this this Caesar scene? No with Todd Low. No,
Speaker 1: that's not the okay.
Speaker 3: This is this is when Laurli comes and she sits
Speaker 3: at the counter.
Speaker 1: And he gets her coffee and.
Speaker 3: She gets her coffee and you can tell the cup
Speaker 3: is empty because it sounds.
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't empty, It just I didn't fill it
Speaker 1: all the way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then she gives him some advice about April,
Speaker 3: like you know, stop at a hotel and let her
Speaker 3: take a shower and go to this restaurant. So there
Speaker 3: was a cute song or scene ending with the song.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, now Luke and Laurel are all right,
Speaker 1: what are they doing now? They're sniffing each other. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's a good descript They're getting this in again, aren't they?
Speaker 3: Like they're both kind of trying to poke the bear
Speaker 3: and see if it's going to work.
Speaker 1: It's like, is it on? Could it be on again?
Speaker 1: What's happening? I think it might be on? I'm not sure. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I thought it was good. I liked the banter where
Speaker 3: she's all the nautical terms and he's like stop it.
Speaker 2: It was so funny. It was great. It was very old.
Speaker 2: It's it's as Danielle Romo would say, it's very season
Speaker 2: three and four. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like how they try to scale each other's walls.
Speaker 1: I think that's that creates a wonderful tension, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And and then we go to Paris and Rory's
Speaker 3: apartment and Paris has all those other Yale kids medical
Speaker 3: school and they've got the obscene cake.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it was actually funny. It was actually funny.
Speaker 3: It was it was did you just like you could
Speaker 3: see the cake on the table like you couldn't.
Speaker 2: I was not mad at that whole scene because it
Speaker 2: was like different and it's the Paris I sort of
Speaker 2: enjoy it was all good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just it was just so Paris that they
Speaker 3: got a naked guy cake because from an erotic bakery,
Speaker 3: because they couldn't find a cadaver cake.
Speaker 2: Is this where we find out Rory has gotten rejected
Speaker 2: at yet another job.
Speaker 1: Yes, San Francisco Chronicle Chicago could have is a Chicago
Speaker 1: Tribune Chicago Chronicles Chicago?
Speaker 3: You have a letter?
Speaker 1: Nailed it research? I attributed to research.
Speaker 2: Also, like is it eighteen forty two? Who's getting letters
Speaker 2: on jobs? Like that? Is so not literally I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: but that's not how That's not how it works in
Speaker 2: the two thousands. If you didn't get a job, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we actually had phones back then and people called you
Speaker 2: or they didn't, like, they don't even tell you when
Speaker 2: you don't get a job, right, you just get here.
Speaker 2: You're certainly not getting a letter. But anyway, who needs
Speaker 2: to be This.
Speaker 3: Was all speaking of phones. This is the same scene
Speaker 3: where she goes and tries to call that woman at
Speaker 3: the providence of the job that was pretty cringe. I
Speaker 3: felt bad for her because clearly she was just like
Speaker 3: grasping at straws because now she's freaking out about what
Speaker 3: is she going to do? But still like you just
Speaker 3: don't do that.
Speaker 2: And also most people actually don't have a job like
Speaker 2: the minute they graduate. And also she could go back
Speaker 2: to school too, that is an option for her. So
Speaker 2: it's like, I don't know why she's not like going, well,
Speaker 2: maybe I'll go to graduate school of journalism just like
Speaker 2: Paris is doing. It's like she obviously has good grades, right,
Speaker 2: and I don't think it'd be too late. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's just not tracking for me, but I can I
Speaker 2: can shut up about it.
Speaker 1: The whole scene wasn't tracking for me. I didn't think
Speaker 1: it was funny because I'm not accepting that storyline. I'm
Speaker 1: not accepting it. I want to see Paris rejected it
Speaker 1: from every school. I want to see her in debt.
Speaker 1: That's the character I want to see in Desperate Straits,
Speaker 1: because I think that's where the comedy comes from. We
Speaker 1: see Paris. Yeah, actually, when she's in high stress and
Speaker 1: when she's not getting what she wants.
Speaker 2: I actually agree with you, it would have been better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, her karma is not that she gets you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? It's also fun everybody and then calms
Speaker 1: her down. We don't want to see her calm down.
Speaker 2: It would have been kind of fun if Rory gets
Speaker 2: the job and Paris, who we all expected to get
Speaker 2: it into twenty schools, is like, gets rejected from everywhere,
Speaker 2: and it's the first time Paris is you know, although
Speaker 2: we did see it when she didn't get into Harvard,
Speaker 2: but whatever, But that would have been interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a successful New York Times employed Rory getting into
Speaker 1: the program. Consoling a manic Paris who didn't get in
Speaker 1: anywhere is what I want to see. It's just a
Speaker 1: better ride for me. It's more comedy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would I kind of agree. I would like
Speaker 2: Rory to not be sort of getting rejected from everywhere.
Speaker 2: I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Are we doing it again? We're rewriting the show, Yeah we.
Speaker 2: Are, and they people don't love when we do that.
Speaker 2: They don't like that, but whatever, let's lean into what
Speaker 2: we got. What we got is Rory getting rejected from
Speaker 2: everywhere via snail mail, and it's weird.
Speaker 1: Let's keep rewriting this show. I like rewriting the show.
Speaker 3: The next scene is the Dragonfly and Suki and larel
Speaker 3: I are trying to figure out what the hat means. Like,
Speaker 3: was Luke's fun?
Speaker 2: That was fun?
Speaker 3: And that was very think how do I reciprocate that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? That was very girl talk and exactly how we
Speaker 2: do now? He said, hey, does that mean hey? Or
Speaker 2: does that mean hey? Like we literally do do? That?
Speaker 3: Said totally, that was totally best friend talk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was good.
Speaker 3: She got rid of all her Luke stuff so she
Speaker 3: doesn't have like any memory, which.
Speaker 2: Also she never would have done. No one does that
Speaker 2: right because.
Speaker 3: There was a whole thing earlier about like in season one,
Speaker 3: about the Dean Box and the Max box and it
Speaker 3: keeps it in the closet. Yeah, I so I agree
Speaker 3: with that. Yeah, well I guess, you know, maybe the
Speaker 3: Luke thing was a little deep, like it cut a
Speaker 3: little deeper, so maybe she got yeah, I mean and
Speaker 3: then Suki tells her, well, maybe you could throw on
Speaker 3: a flannel shirt.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's so funny. Was great?
Speaker 1: She could have bought one?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Also, where's the ring?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they never thank you so much? Amy with some
Speaker 2: dropping some knowledge where.
Speaker 3: That's a good point. That's so true. I mean we
Speaker 3: do see it, yes, yes, but right now you know
Speaker 3: who wound up with it. But yeah, that.
Speaker 2: Would have been a good sign to you, Scott slash
Speaker 2: Luke that she wanted to get back together. Is if
Speaker 2: suddenly she's just wearing the ring again and she's all,
Speaker 2: can I have some coffee? Right?
Speaker 1: That's the cartoon version that a little aggressive.
Speaker 2: But I notice you're wearing the hat I gave you.
Speaker 2: I'm wearing something you gave me.
Speaker 3: So then it goes to Lane and Zach's apartment and
Speaker 3: I have to call out the music cue in this scene.
Speaker 1: Oh no.
Speaker 3: So when she was putting the twins down in their
Speaker 3: like bacinette things, the song in the background was it
Speaker 3: was a lullaby version of Boys Don't Cry by The Cure.
Speaker 3: Oh and I thought, what a perfect song for putting
Speaker 3: your baby boys to sleep, True Don't Cry. Anyways, I
Speaker 3: thought that was true. It was like a lullaby version
Speaker 3: of it. Very nice. So this is so Zach comes
Speaker 3: home with all these brand named groceries from the grocery
Speaker 3: store because he's gotten this call from a guy in
Speaker 3: vapor rub and wants them to want him to be
Speaker 3: the lead guitar I know, and they're gonna go on
Speaker 3: tour for eight weeks and all these great venues and
Speaker 3: then you know, Zach says, part of the deal was
Speaker 3: that Lane and the babies could come along, and so
Speaker 3: they're like all happy and excited at least until reality
Speaker 3: sets in. But then it goes to Lorelei arriving home
Speaker 3: and she's driving this suv we've never seen before, but
Speaker 3: it had Yeah. I was like, oh yeah, I love
Speaker 3: the dragonfly logo on the side, so yeah, maybe she's
Speaker 3: van or whatever. And Rorthy is hiding in her bed
Speaker 3: with one of her blue books that she didn't even
Speaker 3: turn in, oh god, for her final. So this is
Speaker 3: the time we've seen that, because remember it happened the
Speaker 3: other year when she didn't write her final because she
Speaker 3: was sitting there steering out the window because she.
Speaker 2: Was like, oh yeah everything else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so second second time, but at least she's graduated.
Speaker 3: She can't drop out of school again. And so then
Speaker 3: this is when laurel I is like, you know, you
Speaker 3: have things pretty easy, It's okay, melt down, yeah, And
Speaker 3: this is where Rory admits that she was, you know,
Speaker 3: cocky about the whole thing, and which I don't know
Speaker 3: that you are.
Speaker 2: A hockey per se, but like she's just not she's
Speaker 2: having bum luck. But also she did apply to only
Speaker 2: the biggest papers ever and then the Providence Journal or
Speaker 2: whatever it was. It's like, maybe she needs to cast
Speaker 2: a wider net. I know I keep saying that, but yeah,
Speaker 2: also Rory would cast a wider net. I'm frustrated just
Speaker 2: by the character not doing what I thought the character
Speaker 2: would do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally frustrating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's kind of annoying.
Speaker 3: So then we go back to the apartment with the
Speaker 3: babies and Brian suggests it was cute Brian helping with
Speaker 3: the baby.
Speaker 2: That was cute. Yeah, it actually was a funny, cute
Speaker 2: scene and he was really good with it. I those
Speaker 2: looked like real babies.
Speaker 3: Yes, they were moving.
Speaker 2: They will look like real baby Scott. They did.
Speaker 1: The whole scene made me very very anxious, the way
Speaker 1: he was handling the baby, and I would just catch,
Speaker 1: just please support the baby's head, please be careful for me.
Speaker 2: I actually thought he did good, but I had the
Speaker 2: same thing like, oh God, should he be touching that baby?
Speaker 2: And then what goes into my mind is like whose
Speaker 2: baby is that? And like who's surrendering their baby to
Speaker 2: these people and then letting them move them around? Like
Speaker 2: it was a little I enjoyed it, but it was
Speaker 2: a little.
Speaker 1: Like too stressed, start to go ooh.
Speaker 2: What's going on with this baby?
Speaker 1: To stressful for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Brian actually made the suggestion that Lane should
Speaker 3: bring a nanny or take missus Kim on the tour.
Speaker 3: And then you see Lane's wheels start turning about it.
Speaker 3: You know, is this really gonna be able to happen?
Speaker 3: Take it?
Speaker 2: Which I know we'll get to it, but I say, like,
Speaker 2: good for Lane, we'll get to that. I sort of thought, way,
Speaker 2: does you know, like look, not that I don't think
Speaker 2: the roles should be reversed also, but like I like
Speaker 2: that she was like, no, go, you need to go,
Speaker 2: And that was kind of a baller Lane, like I
Speaker 2: got this, I'm independent, I'm strong, I got this. I
Speaker 2: want to support you. You go, And I sort of thought,
Speaker 2: you know, they could use that money too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I was like, they don't both need to
Speaker 3: give up on their dreams. Like if one of them
Speaker 3: could go, go and then they.
Speaker 2: Can switch it. It's like it's very Blake Lively and
Speaker 2: Ryan Reynolds. One works, then the other works. It's like,
Speaker 2: let's do that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So then we go to Luke Steiner and Rory and
Speaker 3: Laureli are talking about various celebrities that had setbacks in
Speaker 3: their careers and maybe this setback will give is.
Speaker 2: The gratuitous pop culture. Insert some pop culture because we
Speaker 2: don't know how to do it seamlessly anymore.
Speaker 3: But what else exactly like this is fourteen celebrities. We
Speaker 3: got that in there, and then more Luke and Lorelai
Speaker 3: kind of bantering a little. Love was really misunderstanding what
Speaker 3: Laura I was saying. Yeah, she says they're going to
Speaker 3: see Miss Patty's act. Oh yeah, yeah yeah, And Luke
Speaker 3: thought she was inviting him to go with them, and
Speaker 3: he's like, I'm and she's like, oh no, I was
Speaker 3: just saying that.
Speaker 2: But she kind of was inviting. She was inviting him
Speaker 2: and then he couldn't go. And yes, she was, Yes,
Speaker 2: she was, she was, she was. She was what you say,
Speaker 2: she was dropping, she's dropping the handkerchief. The handkerchief, she
Speaker 2: was sort of putting it out there. Then he didn't
Speaker 2: do it, and then she backs it up, like I was,
Speaker 2: and he wanted to go like it was exactly what Susanne.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say it, but I think you're wrong.
Speaker 3: Well I'm allowed to have a different opinion than you.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make either one of them wrong. That wasn't
Speaker 3: at all what I picked up.
Speaker 1: But whatever, what did you pick up? What did you
Speaker 1: pick up?
Speaker 3: I think she just was trying to make small talk
Speaker 3: and she's like, so Rory and I are going to
Speaker 3: Casey's tonight to see the karaoke.
Speaker 2: I need to see the face because it was all
Speaker 2: in the face to face. She was like, suddenly, I'm saying,
Speaker 2: we're going to you know, Red Lobster. You you like Lobster?
Speaker 2: Like That's how it was to me.
Speaker 5: It was Also it was also the reaction of he's
Speaker 5: not going and she's like.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. And also it's not like a private event.
Speaker 2: He could have been like, I'm going to that too,
Speaker 2: I want to sit with us, you know, like it was.
Speaker 1: But the way, but the way he responded when she
Speaker 1: was trying to backtrack was, you know, made it obvious
Speaker 1: that she was trying to invite him.
Speaker 2: And then he goes, guy, Yes, he goes it's on Hello, Hello.
Speaker 1: It's a nice little scene. I really love the Luke
Speaker 1: Laureli banter.
Speaker 2: So yeah.
Speaker 3: And then one when Rory was she went outside to
Speaker 3: take a call from Logan and the job thing went well,
Speaker 3: and he said, like he was, she was bummed about
Speaker 3: the fellowship thing. And then did you catch his little
Speaker 3: foreshadowing there? He says, I have a feeling in the
Speaker 3: next couple of days you will have moved on.
Speaker 2: Yes, But also, may I throw something out there was
Speaker 2: he in San Francisco? Because it really looked like he
Speaker 2: was in a high up hotel room with the bridge
Speaker 2: in the background, and it looked real. It did not
Speaker 2: look like Martha's Vineyard, fake Santa Monica Venice actually looked
Speaker 2: like I was like, I might be crazy, but I
Speaker 2: think this dude's in San Francisco.
Speaker 3: You you mean like Matt Zuker physically was in San Francisco.
Speaker 2: That's what it looked like to me. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean maybe he don't know, but it
Speaker 2: sort of looked like they were really shooting it in
Speaker 2: a hotel room with the bridge in the background. But
Speaker 2: I could be stupid.
Speaker 1: Maybe then that's not what happened.
Speaker 2: What did they just put a picture in the window.
Speaker 1: They're not going to spend the money to go up there.
Speaker 2: And look how it looked. I know, but it looks job.
Speaker 2: I mean, they did a really great job. Can somebody
Speaker 2: find out if it really was somebody? Look up Gilmour shooting.
Speaker 1: Are you sure they didn't go to San Francisco?
Speaker 3: Oh well, guess if he was already there shooting something else?
Speaker 3: Could they have just like hired baby?
Speaker 2: Because here's the thing, then, why did they make Martha's
Speaker 2: vineyard look so fake? If they're so good at making
Speaker 2: things look real, how are you going to?
Speaker 1: Wait, man, how are you going to make the West
Speaker 1: coast look like the East coast?
Speaker 2: It can't happen, true respect, But I think he was
Speaker 2: as far as I'm concerned, mad Zukrie was at the
Speaker 2: Saint Francis like literally, you know, or the Fairmont.
Speaker 5: You know what.
Speaker 1: That's That's how good Matt Zukri is. He believed it
Speaker 1: so much that.
Speaker 2: I believe it too. Yeah, it is so true, so true.
Speaker 3: And then to the other two notable things in the
Speaker 3: scene where Rory notices the hat and then also April
Speaker 3: calls and says she can't go on the boat.
Speaker 2: Oh that was rough.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Lucas you know, you could tell Luke was disappointed,
Speaker 3: but obviously he's such a good dad. Yeah, he doesn't
Speaker 3: want to bring April down, so he's like, oh, that's fine,
Speaker 3: we'll do it next summer. So but it was a
Speaker 3: good you know, I always like to see April, so
Speaker 3: that was fun. Yeah, and then we go to karaoke night.
Speaker 3: I believe when they way back in like season two
Speaker 3: or three whatever, whenever Rory breaks her arm in the
Speaker 3: car accident with Jess and she there's a scene where
Speaker 3: she gets the cast off, and when they're leaving the
Speaker 3: doctor's office, they walk past a place that says Casey's
Speaker 3: Bar and Grill. Okay, so I think that's where it is.
Speaker 3: People say there's no bar in stars Hollow because of
Speaker 3: something in the revival, But.
Speaker 2: But there is the bar that that Jackson took.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, saw the name of that place.
Speaker 1: Where stars I thought stars hollows a dry town.
Speaker 3: Well, see that's what everybody thinks. But that one episode
Speaker 3: they were walking past Casey's Bar and Grill, it's in
Speaker 3: the back by the church.
Speaker 2: Well guess what, I think there's two bars in this town.
Speaker 4: I was thinking this is near the relse.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's funny, that's funny. That weird. Yeah, that was
Speaker 2: so random, you know, you.
Speaker 1: Know what you know, I I'm gonna make a big
Speaker 1: reveal here please with a little behind the scenes this
Speaker 1: and it answers. Now, when I was watching this episode
Speaker 1: and this scene came on, I was and I saw
Speaker 1: Rory sitting at the table. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I remember this so well because we were all there, right,
Speaker 1: practically the entire cast was there, right, and guess what.
Speaker 6: We suspected that this was it, right. We suspected that
Speaker 6: we weren't going to get a season eight. We felt
Speaker 6: and we were even talking about it, because I remember
Speaker 6: talking about it with Alexis and just the speculation of it,
Speaker 6: and there was some undecided people and we didn't know.
Speaker 6: So the feeling in the room was as we were
Speaker 6: all kind of you know, gathering maybe as a cast
Speaker 6: for the last time, was that we're probably not coming back.
Speaker 6: I remember that feeling very very distinctly.
Speaker 1: Now. Yeah, man, that's sad, and I think it was
Speaker 1: a surprise eyes when I heard that we might be
Speaker 1: coming back for season eight, and there's like, you know, negotiations.
Speaker 2: And so sort of up and down till the end.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, but this did feel like a final
Speaker 1: the final time the cast would be together on set
Speaker 1: and all and so we you know, it was this
Speaker 1: celebratory atmosphere anyway, and you know when when Liz Torres
Speaker 1: and Sally Struthers are in the role, you're gonna have fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I have las and fun and joy.
Speaker 3: So was that the last scene you shot for this episode?
Speaker 1: I think it was actually.
Speaker 2: And I also say it was very Maisally seen, Like
Speaker 2: I think she took some of this even though she
Speaker 2: wasn't on then, But like the way the town is,
Speaker 2: there's so much of that that goes into Missus Masel,
Speaker 2: just sort of that town, these people together, Like I
Speaker 2: don't know, there's there's a lot from this show that
Speaker 2: I see in her other shows.
Speaker 1: And you know what there was there was something about
Speaker 1: the conversation that I was having with Alexis, the way
Speaker 1: she was sitting at the table, she was you know,
Speaker 1: Alexis was always so she's very she's a little bit withdrawn.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, she's shy, kind of introvert.
Speaker 1: She's very very sweet, and she had so much work
Speaker 1: to do every single day, that she was focused on
Speaker 1: our lines, focused, completely concentrated, completely focused, and we all
Speaker 1: see the results of that. Her work is fantastic and
Speaker 1: that's what it takes. It takes that kind of focus.
Speaker 1: But I noticed when I was talking to her in
Speaker 1: this set as we were shooting it, in between camera setups,
Speaker 1: she didn't go back to her trailer.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: She sat around and she was there was this sort
Speaker 1: of relaxed kind of relief with her.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And I'd never seen that before. Like she'd really loosened
Speaker 1: up and like was just kind of telling stories and
Speaker 1: everybody was sort of talking freely, and I think everybody
Speaker 1: knew because of that that was an indication that this
Speaker 1: was going to be it, you know.
Speaker 2: Wow. I mean I think there are a lot of
Speaker 2: scenes too where she was very young with a lot
Speaker 2: of adults. Do you know what I'm saying, like a
Speaker 2: teenager twenty something?
Speaker 1: Oh, you can't blame her.
Speaker 2: Older, seasoned, legendary actor personality. She grew I could see. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she started at eighteen with no experience and now
Speaker 1: looking she's twenty five and she wants to do film,
Speaker 1: and she's getting offers and she's done some films and.
Speaker 2: She's traveling pants.
Speaker 5: I want to say it was going into the last
Speaker 5: season of.
Speaker 2: She's just done it basically, Yeah, let me look.
Speaker 1: Wow, So if you're twenty five and you've been on
Speaker 1: a series for seven years, I mean, you got your
Speaker 1: whole career, you got a movie career in front of it.
Speaker 5: It was two thousand and five, so she went for it, right,
Speaker 5: So she probably started doing it around season five of
Speaker 5: the show, so she already had the movie out.
Speaker 1: Because you got to ask yourself, how many people are
Speaker 1: in that position when they're that young and have a
Speaker 1: successful TV series and you're the lead of that TV series,
Speaker 1: have that opportunity to step into a film career Because
Speaker 1: the film career is very rare, it's very hard to
Speaker 1: pull off. And she she had a real opportunity at
Speaker 1: that time. So wow, Yeah, totally understandable.
Speaker 2: Right there, you go so interesting.
Speaker 3: There's several scenes here. It kind of flips back and
Speaker 3: forth between the bar and the diner, but essentially Lane
Speaker 3: comes in to the diner, she says hi to Luke,
Speaker 3: and then Lane they leave to walk over to the
Speaker 3: karaoke night and that's when Lane tells.
Speaker 2: Zach this is a scene I like because I really
Speaker 2: believe them as a couple in this scene. I like
Speaker 2: what Lane did here. I like how Zach responded that.
Speaker 2: At first he's like no, I'm not going, and then
Speaker 2: she's like, no, I want you to go, and instead
Speaker 2: of being like no, I know, he's like okay, okay.
Speaker 2: It was very adult. It was very married, responsible, but
Speaker 2: cool and supportive. And I really liked them both in
Speaker 2: this scene.
Speaker 1: I've never seen Zach and Lane me too. I agree
Speaker 1: in every scene. I mean, they were really terrific together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, it wasn't all QT cutesy, sweety sweetie
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 2: Or bumbling dummy dopey. It was cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they were. They were cool in this and
Speaker 1: they were like solid adults and parents and yeah, that
Speaker 1: was it was good.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It was good.
Speaker 1: It was a little more edge. They gave them a
Speaker 1: little more edge and a little like reality for them
Speaker 1: works better than the sort of soft so they performed
Speaker 1: the comedy better when it's dramatic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yes, well said yeah.
Speaker 3: And did you guys notice when they were in the
Speaker 3: diner still that I think it was Zach was mopping
Speaker 3: and there were tire tracks on the floor from when
Speaker 3: Kirk drove the car through.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's funny. That's a great little detail. That's great,
Speaker 2: one of those.
Speaker 3: Great Okay, speaking of Kirk, can we talk about Kirk singing?
Speaker 3: Do you really want to hurt me?
Speaker 1: Hysterical?
Speaker 5: I just loved singing everyone back together, like I know,
Speaker 5: it felt like like old times, like everyone in the
Speaker 5: same room.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like you thought, you know, you thought
Speaker 1: it was great with uh miss miss Patty and Pbet singing,
Speaker 1: and then you get the Kirk and you go, how
Speaker 1: are you going to top that? Well, Laura, they did, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they really that with one of the It was one
Speaker 1: of the big moments in the show.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure.
Speaker 1: When you say it was a huge in the whole series, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a huge moment.
Speaker 3: Yea, Yeah, yeah, when when she sings that was it
Speaker 3: just was so well played between the two of you,
Speaker 3: with the you know, the nonverbal communication. It just looks
Speaker 3: back and forth, and you know, Luke got a little
Speaker 3: choked up. It just was such a great scene.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm gonna share a personal story, a
Speaker 1: couple of personal stories with it real briefly here. I've
Speaker 1: never seen the show, but when I do conventions, or
Speaker 1: I'm out there in restaurants or wherever I am in
Speaker 1: the world, people come up and they want selfies, and
Speaker 1: you know, the whole thing, and it's always great, and
Speaker 1: they always talk about this scene. I have never seen
Speaker 1: this scene. I don't know what they're talking about. I
Speaker 1: remember doing it, I remember doing it, but I never
Speaker 1: saw it in its context, you know. And and for
Speaker 1: for fans, it's such a powerful moment, and it's the
Speaker 1: thing that that brings them to conventions because they want
Speaker 1: to talk about that scene. And they said, when you
Speaker 1: walked into that diner, that song, and and that's all
Speaker 1: what apart. We were crying. So I'm sitting watching it
Speaker 1: last night right right, I'm listening on like I'm not
Speaker 1: giving it any more.
Speaker 2: I have no idea or do you go yeah, I know, no, no, no, I.
Speaker 1: Just smile and I'm glad you enjoyed it. And I
Speaker 1: have no idea what they're talking about because it didn't
Speaker 1: impact me because I've never seen it.
Speaker 2: But it's so good when you walk in it, it
Speaker 2: does seem like a film.
Speaker 1: Right. But then so I'm sitting there last night in
Speaker 1: the media room on the couch.
Speaker 2: How rich are you? Wow?
Speaker 1: Why everybody is a media room when no, they don't, sir,
Speaker 1: no they do not. They call them a media room.
Speaker 2: They called a family room or line.
Speaker 1: I need everybody to just calm down right now.
Speaker 2: Scott's a famous actor who is on a lot of shows.
Speaker 2: He has a media room. I feel like it has
Speaker 2: reclining chairs. I am that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does have a popcorn maker.
Speaker 2: Actually, it has a very big screen. And it's not
Speaker 2: where their living room or family room is. It's a
Speaker 2: different room where the rest of us folks have one room.
Speaker 3: That is all those.
Speaker 2: Things I don't even have, Like I only have a
Speaker 2: living room slash family room, slash media room slash office.
Speaker 2: It's all the same.
Speaker 1: Room, all right, son, God is rich.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you are in your media room, Richard Gilmore.
Speaker 1: And so so my wife walks in and she sits
Speaker 1: down next to me, and that's when Luke walks in
Speaker 1: and we watched the scene and we're both just we're
Speaker 1: always gabbing with each other, and we're talking about what's
Speaker 1: like if you were ever to watch a movie with us,
Speaker 1: you would tell us to shut up about ten times
Speaker 1: in the first two minutes because we're just gabbing each other.
Speaker 1: Oh that was good. That was great. Wasn't that great?
Speaker 1: But this time we're both silent. Wow, And we're watching
Speaker 1: this karaoke scene with Laura and Luke, And when it
Speaker 1: was over, we were just both silent, and I think
Speaker 1: we were both a little bit emotional.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the first time.
Speaker 1: I turned to her and I said, I said, so,
Speaker 1: this is what you've been talking about. Yeah, I said,
Speaker 1: this is what the fans we're talking about.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't get it before. The first time in my life,
Speaker 1: I realized the real power of that relationship.
Speaker 2: It's really good for the fans, and it's great face acting,
Speaker 2: great face act.
Speaker 5: Literally, like, I have the biggest smile on my face
Speaker 5: watching that scene because because of Scott.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, because he's like a stuff that walks in
Speaker 2: and he's got the face and he's like cool and
Speaker 2: orders his beer and there's not he didn't say one thing,
Speaker 2: and you're like, wow, this is happening.
Speaker 1: I tell you, that show put me in some good situations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of makes you like a stud. It's funny. Gilmore,
Speaker 2: girls really like upped your game. I bet, like, because
Speaker 2: you're just always doing cool stuff.
Speaker 1: As Luke, You're only you're only as good as the script. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you're only hopefully it don't screw up a
Speaker 1: good script.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's so that's not even a script somehow,
Speaker 2: that's really you What do they say? He's cool, he
Speaker 2: gets Yeah, you get to.
Speaker 1: Do that, right? You read it? No, I get to
Speaker 1: do that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Cool? It was good.
Speaker 3: Great, that would be cool because when you're acting it
Speaker 3: and you know there the script says, you know, Luke
Speaker 3: gets choked up or whatever, so then Scott has to
Speaker 3: be Luke getting choked up. But it's the editing that's
Speaker 3: it all together. And so that's you know, and you
Speaker 3: see like the back and forth between Luke and Lorelai,
Speaker 3: and it's just it's an amazing scene.
Speaker 2: But it's singing when you walk in. Is that so
Speaker 2: that is really Happening's okay?
Speaker 1: Right? And then she starts singing.
Speaker 2: But I mean, in real life when you film it,
Speaker 2: is she singing? Are you able to act with her
Speaker 2: in that scene? It's not like that was shot okay, okay,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, it's not like they're just like, let's capture
Speaker 2: Scott coming in.
Speaker 1: No. No, I mean yeah, they turned the camera around.
Speaker 2: Of course, but she's still doing her thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know if she was singing off camera for me,
Speaker 1: I don't I think she was. I'm not I don't really.
Speaker 3: Like it by the scene.
Speaker 1: But actually, to be honest with that, it's not hard
Speaker 1: to react that way. I mean, if somebody's not singing us,
Speaker 1: they just play the maybe that maybe they just played
Speaker 1: the song.
Speaker 2: But it was her face. It's like, I wouldn't be
Speaker 2: able to like pretend that lamp is Lauren and Laura
Speaker 2: I and she's singing, and you're.
Speaker 1: Like, but I did that lamp, but I did that,
Speaker 1: my face.
Speaker 2: Would be so whack. I mean, I also realize.
Speaker 1: Do you know what? Do you know what they do?
Speaker 1: They put an orange X on the very side of
Speaker 1: the camera, right below the lens, and that's the person.
Speaker 1: So you got to react to that.
Speaker 2: I realize I do that a lot. How bad of
Speaker 2: an actor I would be or am when I watch
Speaker 2: Sometimes I come across us on Instagram and I'm like,
Speaker 2: could I touch my face four hundred and twelve times
Speaker 2: while we're doing this podcast?
Speaker 1: Doing it right now?
Speaker 2: I know, the whole podcast is just me like wiping
Speaker 2: my eyes, moving my hair, touching my face. I mean
Speaker 2: I literally just look like and.
Speaker 3: I don't care.
Speaker 2: I've given up. I've given up on trying to look
Speaker 2: cute when we do this. I'm just like, I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna get in there and talk about the ship.
Speaker 1: But anyway, is the key is having interesting posters right
Speaker 1: behind thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they literally must city like, as an actor, don't
Speaker 2: touch your face because like, nobody wants to see this.
Speaker 1: No, you know, I mean, if you're going to touch
Speaker 1: your face, it had better be for a very good reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, not just every time.
Speaker 1: I think that scene was so important and the producers
Speaker 1: knew that, oh yeah, so important that I'm sure Lauren
Speaker 1: was there singing to me because they that connection.
Speaker 2: I think it is a pivotal moment.
Speaker 1: It's also listen, let's let's just say this. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's a really relatable moment for everybody. Everybody's had a
Speaker 1: moment like that, whether it's at a birthday party or
Speaker 1: a dinner or something like that. We've all had a
Speaker 1: moment like that where we're sort of like a little
Speaker 1: blushing and something works out for us and whatever situation
Speaker 1: it's in, and you're just like, oh, you.
Speaker 2: Know what, it totally reminds me of And this might
Speaker 2: be so weird. It reminds me of the scene in
Speaker 2: Sixteen Candles when Molly Ringwald comes out of the church
Speaker 2: and Jake there with the Porsche and they really don't
Speaker 2: talk to each other. In the scene, she he goes
Speaker 2: like waves at her and she looks behind her, like
Speaker 2: who's he she goes and he goes, yeah, you. And
Speaker 2: it's like that same thing where you're like across this
Speaker 2: sort of kind of vast space, but it's like these
Speaker 2: two and you're just like, oh my god, it's on
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: That's cool.
Speaker 2: So that was what it remained.
Speaker 1: That was a big you could call that moment a
Speaker 1: big movie moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so game changer.
Speaker 1: That's an iconic movie moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's why people love the scene so much,
Speaker 2: and it's why it's so viral. It's all over.
Speaker 1: The they've seen the scene before in many other films.
Speaker 1: Sixteen Candles big impact, big, big impact on an.
Speaker 2: Audience, or like a million scenes in movies where the
Speaker 2: person's singing or you know, the person walks into the bar,
Speaker 2: they're dancing, like they see each other across the the bar.
Speaker 1: You would write an entire movie just to get up
Speaker 1: to that scene, you would have that. Yeah, let's fill
Speaker 1: it get.
Speaker 2: There, correct. I think that at this episode knew that,
Speaker 2: and then it one ups it because is the next
Speaker 2: scene the scene.
Speaker 3: So before we leave the karaoke bar, I just wanted
Speaker 3: to point out one little thing behind On the wall
Speaker 3: behind Laureli there was a sign for Boozoo Barnes. Do
Speaker 3: you guys remember who Boozoo was?
Speaker 5: I remember the name, but I don't.
Speaker 3: He was the zydecode guy that came to audition for
Speaker 3: Laurelized wedding and she couldn't get him to stop.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 3: Yes, anyways, I thought that was a cute little shout out.
Speaker 2: So random, but yeah.
Speaker 3: So then we go to It's the next morning, laurel
Speaker 3: Ize hungover and Rory is saying, you know, sometimes you
Speaker 3: have to let your feelings out, and Laurelize like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess. So cute little kind of a little throw
Speaker 3: away scene, but it was cute. And then we go
Speaker 3: to Chilikila's scene.
Speaker 5: And which sounds so good right now?
Speaker 2: I know, I know it does, doesn't it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: One of the things I like about this show is
Speaker 3: that you can watch it a million times and you
Speaker 3: always see something new. Every time. Last night, when I
Speaker 3: rewatched this, I heard Zach say something I have never
Speaker 3: heard him say before. He said, Gypsy does a mean
Speaker 3: Pat Benatar?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh.
Speaker 3: My gosh, I would have loved to have seen that.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I wonder if they shot that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it was, Maybe it was. That was pretty cool.
Speaker 3: And then so this is where Zach find finds an air,
Speaker 3: quotes the black cat that was mysteriously stuffed behind the dishwasher,
Speaker 3: and gives it back to Luke and he.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how something gets lost behind the dishwasher
Speaker 3: unless it was someone in the And then so this
Speaker 3: is I think this is what the scene.
Speaker 2: Dud dun dun dum.
Speaker 3: Logan shows up at Laurels. So you want to take
Speaker 3: this one, Amy.
Speaker 2: No, you keep going. I'll just give my thoughts. I
Speaker 2: like it. I like it.
Speaker 3: Logan is back from San Francisco or a backdrop of
Speaker 3: San Francisco, whichever it was, and he tells her that
Speaker 3: he got the job. He's been offered the job in
Speaker 3: Palo Alto, and he wants to take Rory with him
Speaker 3: and is seeking Laurelized permission to ask her to marry him.
Speaker 2: Ju see juicy unexpected? Yeah, here expected juicy cool.
Speaker 1: I loved the scene. However, however, I turned to my
Speaker 1: wife and I said, I'm scared.
Speaker 2: I'm scared.
Speaker 1: This is me trying to rewrite stuff which people love.
Speaker 1: When I do this, they do they sure to love it.
Speaker 1: And uh. I turned my wife and said, that should
Speaker 1: have been the scene preceding the care.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I actually agree with you.
Speaker 1: Right, well, exactly why are we leaving the cliffhanger on
Speaker 1: that when we had the big moment of the show
Speaker 1: and then then you go out.
Speaker 2: I actually think what could have been cool is you
Speaker 2: end on maybe even finding the hat because it's sort
Speaker 2: of a bump bump moment. You open the next episode
Speaker 2: with them with this right immediately after karaoke. She's home,
Speaker 2: she's on the sort of high of the karaoke and
Speaker 2: what does it all mean in her logan, and we
Speaker 2: start the episode with the I want to marry her.
Speaker 2: We start the next one with that.
Speaker 3: Okay, the way they set it up was very Amy
Speaker 3: Sherman Pallatino like, we've talked about that before. How you
Speaker 3: think you're at the end of the episode, and then
Speaker 3: she like keeps me in the butt with some other Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's kind of what this was like. I felt like
Speaker 3: they were kind of true to her pattern of writing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well there's only what three two more, three more
Speaker 5: after this more? Yeah, but it's like the final stretch
Speaker 5: of kids People Juicy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's juicy. You know.
Speaker 1: Laurel's reaction to that started out to be funny, so
Speaker 1: I started I started to almost laugh with she just was,
Speaker 1: you know, gobsmacked. Yeah, but then it was she kept
Speaker 1: holding that stare and it was like, oh.
Speaker 5: Okay, I did like the Laurel I LORELEI is it like?
Speaker 5: Went to credits. I did like how that was done. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: yeah it was which is the name of the episode.
Speaker 5: But it was very well done.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I one was over the credits.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought, overall, terrific episode, just to really really.
Speaker 2: What do you give it? What do you give it?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: I go last year, Oh pardon me, I have shall
Speaker 2: go first. This time I am going to give it ten.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, ten. I will always love use the Whitney
Speaker 2: Houston version.
Speaker 1: Not the Dolly.
Speaker 2: Not the Dolly, I'll go next.
Speaker 3: I loved this episode. This is always something I look
Speaker 3: forward to in a rewatch, so I'm also going to
Speaker 3: give it a ten. I'm going to give it ten
Speaker 3: Naked mancakes, Oh nice.
Speaker 4: I really loved it as well.
Speaker 5: I'm going to give it nine point five chili lace
Speaker 5: oh good.
Speaker 1: I'm actually going to give it a ten plus.
Speaker 2: Wow, We've never had a ten plus.
Speaker 1: And the Olympics. I'm gonna say a little French, a
Speaker 1: little super okay, okay, and uh and I don't have
Speaker 1: a measuring stick.
Speaker 2: Well get one, dude, I'll go look for hats.
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go, I go. Yeah, uh yeah, terrific,
Speaker 1: terrific episode, like really iconic moments. Sad to see uh
Speaker 1: rory spiral. But yeah, the last two episodes, it will
Speaker 1: be interesting. It'll be very eager to see what happens.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, uh huh what however, ending you
Speaker 1: want or I want whatever, it doesn't really matter. I'm
Speaker 1: watching the next one with interest, Like I almost had
Speaker 1: to watch it.
Speaker 5: I had to turn it off or I would have
Speaker 5: hit next episode the whole I turned the whole TV off.
Speaker 1: But actually it's interesting because I'm I'm watching House of
Speaker 1: Cards for the first time. I really wanted to get
Speaker 1: to House of cards.
Speaker 2: I love a binge. That's an old binge. I am
Speaker 2: binging for the third time. Thank you Netflix, prison Break
Speaker 2: right back onto prison break.
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, all right, that's gonna do what everybody next episode,
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