WEBVTT - Death & Deceit in Alliance | 3. The Murder 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:00.400 Ei. 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:03.560 There, it's Steve Fishman from Orbit Media. I hope you're 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.760 enjoying Death and Deceit in Alliance. We've got another new 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:11.040 episode for you. Just one quick message. For access to 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.800 all fourteen episodes, ad free and all at once, please 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:18.200 subscribe with Apple Podcasts on our show page. 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:24.960 It really helps us. Previously on Death and Deceit in Alliance, Tylis, 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:26.920 though she was very nice, very pretty. 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:28.360 I can see why you fell. 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.440 Loved them kind of a relationship behind the scenes because 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:33.199 I was still dating somebody. 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:37.480 She's a really good person. She loves playing flowers into 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:40.000 that lot we want for walks a lot. She loves 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:41.040 coy and jokes. 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:43.959 They were good, but they had some bad qualities when 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:46.960 they're together, saying that she's pregnant and I don't know 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:49.080 if she is the real and I don't know if the. 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.640 Child is mine. She actually cheated on a couple of times. 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:54.920 And he said that she was murdered but her mom 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:58.040 had found her, that she was safed down in a 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.000 pool of blood. I'm hearing the words that he's saying, 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:02.840 but they're just not making sense. 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:13.120 This is Death and Deceit and Alliance, a real time 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:19.480 investigation into whether David Thorne killed Yvonne Lane. I'm Maggie Freeling. 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:29.880 On April Fool's Day, nineteen ninety nine, Yvonne Lane's mother, 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:33.920 Tanya arrived at nine to sixteen Divine Yvonne's house to 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:40.200 take her grandson Preston to kindergarten around noon. Tanya testified 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:43.400 she took six year old Preston to school every day. 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.520 She'd seen Yvonne the day before, on March thirty first, 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:50.800 in the morning, alive and well. Sherman Lane, Yvonne's dad, 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:54.360 testified that he saw her alive the day of her murder, 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:58.320 although he could not place a time. It was routine 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:01.040 for Tanya to arrive in the drive and beep for 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.520 Preston to come out, but on April first, no one 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.640 came outside, so Tanya got out of her car and 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:12.000 knocked on the door. Still nothing. She noticed the door 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:18.320 was unlocked. She opened and called inside, still nothing. Yvonne 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:21.400 lives in a modest three floor home. The house itself 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:25.400 could be nice, but the condition and dated furniture portray 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:29.520 a single mom without disposable income. You enter the house 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:33.280 on the ground floor, which is finished but mostly unused. 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:36.799 Just a couch a storage closet, and a crib one 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:39.680 of the kids slept there. There's stairs to the second floor, 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:43.000 which is the main living space and where Yvonne's body 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.880 was found. Yvonne was found at the top of the 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:49.120 stairs in the living room area, on a dingy blue 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:53.320 carpet in front of a raggedy seventies looking couch. Yvonne 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.360 had it covered with a beige bed sheet, now stained 0:02:56.400 --> 0:03:00.440 with blood. Behind it is an unpainted, spackled wall on 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:04.520 the couch, an ashtray with cigarette butts Yvonne's and an 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:08.920 unknown brand. The files didn't list it. Moving through the 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.960 house is a dining room, a kitchen, a bathroom, and 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:15.280 a bedroom where two of the kids slept. There's a 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:18.320 sliding glass door off to the left of the dining room, 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:23.040 smeared and dripping with blood, leading to a balcony overlooking 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:26.080 the front yard. Another set of stairs leads to the 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:29.840 third floor, where Yvonne's bedroom was and where the youngest 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.240 of the kids slept. So Tanya had opened the front 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.880 door on the ground floor and four year old Vinnie 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.160 came down the stairs from where his mother's lifeless body lay. 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:42.520 Vinnie was back with Yvonne at this point, when he 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:47.040 got to about the third step, Tanya asked, where's your mommy, Vinnie. 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:51.760 He responded, but she didn't understand him. Remember he was 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:57.160 developmentally delayed and sometimes hard to understand. So she went 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.560 up the steps and when she got to the top 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.600 of the ste that's when she saw her twenty six 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:06.840 year old daughter face down in a pool of blood. 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:10.040 We found in a pool of her own blood. Tanya 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:12.920 testified that she was trying not to black out and 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:16.520 she could hear the other kids, Brandon and Preston crying 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.840 in the second floor bedroom. Baby Trenton was in his 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:23.200 crib in Yvonne's room on the third floor. Tanya said 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:25.240 she was thinking of going to get the kids, but 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:28.560 wasn't sure if someone was still in the house, plus 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:30.640 she would have had to have walked through the crime 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:34.719 scene over her daughter. In shock, she stumbled down the steps, 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.279 trying not to fall, and ran to the neighbor to 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:44.719 call nine one one. Officer Ralph Petty was the first 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.200 to respond to the scene. He testified that he got 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:50.480 the dispatch call at twelve thirty two and arrived about 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.719 three minutes later. He said when he arrived and Officer 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.920 Rick Miller, who'd also heard the dispatch call, pulled up 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:59.560 at the same time as he did, and they both 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:05.839 found Lane outside. Officer Petty testified that he went upstairs 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:09.440 and saw Yvonne face down on the ground right now. 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:11.040 They tell me it's a pretty body scene in there, 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:13.440 so gloves and buoys on this one. 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:16.039 But that bad get that I'll be playing clips like 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:20.119 this from A and E's Dead Again investigation. On David's case, 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:25.120 they actually recreated the crime scene and had real investigators 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:31.920 go in and process the crime scene from scratch. Lot 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:35.000 of blood. I mean, there's just a massive amount of 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:38.080 blood around her face. Look at all the coagulation right here. 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:43.000 Petty testified that Yvonne was clearly dead, motionless in a 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:48.600 pool of blood, and he described her looking pasty white. Unfortunately, 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:52.000 I do not have audio of anyone describing the scene, 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:56.600 but I do have transcriptions, photos, and reports, and they 0:05:56.640 --> 0:06:00.880 are detailed and revealing. Crime scene photos show Yvonne in 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:05.080 all white, making the red blood pooling around her even 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.799 more striking. Her body was facing the stairs, her feet 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:12.320 pointing towards the dining room behind her. It looks like 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.600 someone had tipped over a dresser which got caught on 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:19.400 a baby walker and dumped the TV on her and 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:24.000 her head was tangled in the cords. Between Yvan's legs 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.520 was a plant and a photo of an unknown child 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:32.760 and a razor blade. I will never find or get 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:38.159 an explanation for this seemingly staged set, but the cause 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:42.720 of death was clear. Once police flipped Yvonne's body over, 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:47.520 they could clearly see her throat had been slit, gaping 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:52.040 eight by four inches. It looks as if the assailant 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:56.359 had tried to cut her head off. Blood splatter was 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.480 also on the walls and couch. The left arm of 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.440 the couch also had a pool of blood on it. 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.960 Near the sliding door to the balcony was a large 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:10.160 streak of blood on the floor leading towards Yvonne. It 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:13.120 looked like she'd been dragged across the wood floor from 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.760 the sliding door to where she lay near the living room. 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:21.520 Like I said earlier, the level of violence seemed personal, 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.840 like there was some kind of vendetta with the TV 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.760 on top of her and the dresser tipped over her, 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:31.680 and there were splatters of blood dripping down the glass 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:36.600 doors and amidst all this devastation were the artifacts of 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:40.239 little kids, a cradle for a doll and a walker 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:43.400 for a toddler learning to take his first steps. It 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.400 was like the windows got blood from here everywhere. It 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:50.600 was a gruesome crime scene, a slaughter really, And it 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:55.080 was also strange. Not only were her kids there unharmed, 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.720 but outside on the porch were a couple of puppies 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:03.760 huddled together. Yvonne's German shepherd mix had recently given birth. 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.640 There are photos of these puppies staring through the blood 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:12.960 splattered glass door at Yvonne. It's a jarring site looking 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:17.000 at the crime scene photos. The dining room is also striking. 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:21.720 The chunky nineties wood dining table was flanked by two 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:26.440 equally blocky chairs, and to me it looks like two 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:30.640 people had recently been sitting there. Both chairs are pulled 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:33.280 out and turned away from the table, as they'd be 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:36.920 left if the people sitting there pushed, got up and 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.400 walked away. There's also a pack of cigarettes closer to 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.040 the left side of the table, but the lighter is 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:46.000 in the middle, as though people were sharing it. The 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:49.679 cigarettes were presumed to be Yvonne's when Officer Petty came 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.960 up the stairs, he saw bloody footprints between him and 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:56.240 the body. He says the blood looked mostly dry, so 0:08:56.440 --> 0:09:00.000 he and Officer Miller decided it was okay to walk 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.120 through the crime scene with no shoe coverings and check 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:06.880 the residence for a murder weapon or the killer. That's 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:10.520 when Officer Rick Miller found Preston and Brandon in their bedroom. 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:15.160 The door locked from the outside, as if someone didn't 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:18.840 want the boys to get out, maybe Yvonne, who was 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.439 said to routinely do that when she had a visitor, 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:26.440 or maybe the killer whoever locked the door seemed to 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.200 know there was a latch to lock them in from 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.800 the outside. Petty said he went to the third floor 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:36.840 and found Trenton in his crib. All the children were unharmed. 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:39.920 Petty said that about ten minutes after he and Miller 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.240 got there, Chief Dordia arrived and made his way to 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.520 the second floor with a woman that Petty didn't know 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:51.240 and was not law enforcement. Chief Dordia said she's a 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.240 ride along, but in a book written about the case, 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.839 the author says it was actually his date and he 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:01.400 not only took this civilian to the house, but he 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:06.280 also allowed her into the crime scene. Petty testified they 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:08.800 needed to get the kids out of the house, but 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:12.240 there was no way to get out without walking by Yvonne. 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.520 So Petty said that he and Miller took a blanket 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:20.280 from the third floor bedroom and covered Yvonne's body with it. Again, 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.959 he said that the blood seemed pretty dry, so he 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:28.720 wasn't worried about corrupting any evidence. Then he said, the 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:32.080 officers picked the kids up and walked them over Yvon's 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:35.840 blanket cover body and out of the house. I asked 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:39.600 Yvonn's son, Preston, who was six at the time, what 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:46.280 he remembered from that night into the morning. So what 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:48.640 do you remember from that night? 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:56.360 Oh, I wasn't mid night on the talk outside my 0:10:56.480 --> 0:11:01.439 mom maybe and she asked them to get outstairs and 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:04.280 locked the door. I got out a couple of inches 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:09.960 away from the door handle, and I got scared. That's 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:11.839 still in hell. I was going to scare of the 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:12.960 dark anyway. 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:14.679 So he left the door unlocked. 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:18.360 So I ran back upstairs, and she asked me us 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:23.160 to lock the door, and I told her yes, and 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:27.800 we went to bed. Mea and brown well Brand woke 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:29.560 me up. Probably somebody in the middle of the night 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:34.280 and he was trying to get out of the room, 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:36.480 and we got a latch on the other side of 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:41.200 the door and the outside of the door, and usually 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.520 our door wasn't locked from the outside, but that night 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:48.679 it was, and he kept pounding on the door and 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:53.640 nobody came down short, so then he was crying all 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.000 over it. So I just grabbed him and I took 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.600 them to the side of the bed and went back 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:04.839 to sleep. When we look up the police officers where 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.480 there a whole bunch of people and a ton of 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:08.640 people outside the house. 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:12.959 Now I would understand why the police might shield children 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:16.480 from the crime scene. That makes sense, but it doesn't 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:20.760 explain why so many decisions were made that compromised evidence 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:26.119 in a murder investigation, civilians coming in, no shoe coverings, 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:30.480 cross contamination of evidence. There is even a crime scene 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:35.080 photo that actually shows an officer stepping over Yvonne's body, 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:40.920 leaving a bloody footprint between her legs. I thought maybe 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:44.640 these were oversights caused in part by the officers worrying 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.040 so much about getting the kids out of the house 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:50.520 without seeing their mom. So I asked Preston about it, 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.200 and the police said that they carried you and covered 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:55.439 your mom with a blanket. 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:58.560 Let's say I hear that all the time, I mean 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.560 doing it. I'm on that cover brain guyline walks. 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:08.120 Very Shortly after the kids were removed from the house, 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:12.800 detectives John Leech, Lloyd Sampson, and Bill Mucklow arrived and 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.920 ordered patrol officers Petty and Miller out. 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:19.200 The first major thing I've always learned is you have 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.400 to preserve the scene so the evidence doesn't get contaminated 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:23.120 or destroyed. 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:27.040 This is Detective Mucklow in a two thousand and eight deposition. 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:31.760 So on a murder homicide scenario, the first thing we 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:33.800 would do is called the Star County Crame Lab, and 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.839 they would send over a technician to go over and 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:40.239 do the initial collecting and finger preying. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:44.360 Crime scene texts. And the coroner arrived and the investigation began. 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:48.240 It's worth mentioning that animal control also came and took 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:53.640 Yvon's dogs from the crime scene. Detectives collected bed sheets, 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:58.160 pillow cushions and couch coverings, scrapings and swabs of blood 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.440 from the living room and stairs, kitchen knives, sections of 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:05.560 flooring with bloody footprints, opened coke cans from the bedroom 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:09.120 and kitchen, a Marlboro cigarette pack and cigarettes from the 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:13.880 kitchen table, a lighter, unopened condoms and penthouse magazines from 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:20.120 Yvonne's bedroom, and two packages of Swisher Suitees cigars. Detectives 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:23.400 also lifted and preserved fingerprints from the coke cans and 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.400 a glass on the table. A neighbor also called in 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.440 a large kitchen butcher knife in the road a few 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.880 blocks away from the crime scene. The knife appeared to 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.960 match the set they'd found in Yvonn's kitchen, and the 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:40.400 knife had a print on it. Outside, neighbors and family 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:44.160 members crowded the scene. A newspaper article from the time 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:49.160 describes a neatly manicured lawn splashed with children's toys and 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:53.680 a red sandbox cording off by yellow police tape. At 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:56.840 about five pm, a neighbor walked by the bustling crime 0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:01.120 scene and stopped to talk to officers and his police report. 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:05.640 Officer Sampson noted that twenty year old George Hale told 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:09.520 officers that at about nine thirty ten am he noticed 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:13.160 Yvon's house. He heard the puppies barking and looked over. 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:14.480 Here's Sampson. 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:20.080 Reading his report, he advised he saw a white man 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.160 about five foot nine abot one hundred and eighty pounds 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:25.920 in his mid to late twenties, wearing blue jeans and 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:30.240 a short sleeved shirt with medium lengs hair exit the 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:33.000 residents carrying a garbage bag. He said that the white 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:34.840 man walked around the west end of the house. He 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.520 said it did not look like anything out of the range, 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:38.240 and he kept walking. 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:42.680 Samson noted this in the report. Detectives were also canvassing 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.960 the neighborhood. The neighbor across the street said she saw 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:48.360 Yvonne on the night of the thirty first. She said 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:52.480 yvon was outside around five thirty pm crushing soda cans, 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:56.120 talking to a forty year old white man about five 0:15:56.160 --> 0:16:00.320 foot seven in a plaid shirt with curly, graying hair. 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.840 Detective Mucklow said he tried to speak with Tanya. 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:05.520 And it was just you know, and I know, it 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:08.479 was a tough time and I had to extract information 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:14.360 about who Yvonne was hanging around, you know, what contact 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:18.160 she had, and you know what happened prior, and you know, 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:24.080 just just basic information on her daughter. And yeah, she 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:25.760 wasn't too much help at all. I mean, she was 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:30.920 just the best way to describe it is like a zombie. 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:35.640 She just wasn't She wasn't there. I mean every time 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:37.840 I had contact with her as she was the same way. 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.560 It was just like a shell of a person. 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:45.280 Eventually, Tanya and Sherman left with all four boys. While 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:48.360 in the car, Tanya said that she asked Vinnie who 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:52.000 hurt Mommy, thinking that since he was walking around the house, 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:57.000 he may know something. Vinnie is the mystery here and 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:00.400 maybe the key. The four year old said he saw 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:05.440 a Josh, Jimmy or Jeremy push Mommy. He didn't say 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:08.439 all three names, he said one, but the name was 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:11.919 hard to make out because of his disability. So Josh, 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:16.040 Jimmy or Jeremy has always been taken with a grain 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:20.840 of salt. When they got home, Tanya said she called 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:24.400 David's grandfather and told him to tell David what happened 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.520 and to have David come pick up two year old Brandon, 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:31.200 the son he shared with Yvonne. She testified that David 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:35.000 was already supposed to pick up Brandon that day. Remember 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:37.720 when David got the news, he was at work, his 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:42.720 grandfather called him. 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:42.639 I have good if you need me to do, and 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:44.920 he's like, I need you to go over her parents 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:48.240 house and pick up Brandon because they're there and they 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:53.960 got and everything in her house. So I mean, I 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:56.480 just pulled my ball to son right there. I was like, 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:59.800 you know, I gotta go, and I'm I'm half explaining 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.600 that going as I'm walking out the door and he's 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:03.960 following out to the car. 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.000 David said he left work around to to go pick 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:07.600 up Brandon. 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:13.560 So I shoot over to assuming and Tanya's I get there, 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.679 I walk in the house, her dad coming up out 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:21.199 of the basement with a load of laundry long past me, 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.359 and he was like, Kanye's up there. They have like 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:25.600 a bi level house. But whenever I go up into 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:31.800 the room, Kanya's face since mankept her, she was crying. 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.879 I started talking to her what's going on? And you know, 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:37.200 she could only tell me what. 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:40.719 It is that she knew that Yvonne was dead. So 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:44.840 David took Brandon and waited for updates. What were you 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.399 thinking when all of this went down? Like what was 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:52.080 going through your head? I mean, I can't even imagine. 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:55.159 Well, whenever I initially got the call and then I 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:58.280 go over and I pick him up. I mean, just. 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:00.760 Like shock and awe. 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:04.600 It's like as if it's not even real, like something 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:06.720 has to be wrong, you know what I mean, it 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:08.160 can't be true. 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:09.280 And then the. 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:12.560 Realization of it coming in that this had actually happened. 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:15.719 I mean, I felt bad for the family and of 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:16.600 course for my son. 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:26.840 David went down to the police station the day after 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:31.000 Yvonne was found. His grandfather retained David an attorney who 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:34.040 joined him at the station. As one of Yvonne's recent 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:37.080 ex boyfriends and one of the fathers of her five children, 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:41.520 it's reasonable detectives wanted to speak with him, ask is alibi, 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:46.040 see what he knows about who any suspects could be. 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:49.440 But David says, that's not what happened. 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:51.720 And I mean was the first question all of a 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:55.600 suddenly there after me how our relationship was, you. 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:58.480 Know, where I was that and everything, and so I said, 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:01.280 I'm here to help you, and then he said I've 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.359 helped you, and I'm like, literally, I kneed help for. 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:08.600 Right Then David's lawyer shut the interview down, but the 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:12.439 police now had their antennas up. They thought David was 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:18.520 uncooperative and suspicious, and that really sealed David's fate as 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:21.639 the person of interest. A single dad who has to 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.840 pay child support and lawyers up after the woman he 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:28.440 has to pay child support to is murdered. I totally 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:32.080 get it, But David wasn't the only ex with a 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:36.159 motive in Yvonne's life. Eric Cameron is the father of 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:40.199 three of Yvonne's kids. Maybe he found out about the 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:45.480 rekindled affair between Yvonne and David, or maybe he wanted custody. 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:48.760 Here's Detective Samson in his deposition. 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:55.800 So you remember speaking with Did you speaking with Eric Cameron, 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:57.600 the father of three of her children? 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:03.480 Did you yourself speak to him? 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:06.000 He was ruled out as a suspect because he was 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:07.520 in jail at the time. 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:11.800 Eric was in jail, so the detectives went back to David. 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:15.600 As I mentioned in the last episode, by all accounts, 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:20.080 David and Yvonne were on good terms. Even Yvon's parents 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:24.639 testified at trial that David and Yvonne had an agreeable visitation. 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:29.840 David could take Brandon whenever he pleased, and David also 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:34.679 had a solid alibi. The night of the murder, David 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:38.680 was at his shoot fighting class with his lion cub. 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.440 David was taking a martial arts class that night, like 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:45.480 three four counties away, and he did it every single 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:48.359 Wednesday night. He had been for a couple months, and 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:51.560 they knew where he was. He had a lion cub 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:55.240 within that night, and so it was memorable to the 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:56.800 people that were in the class that David brought his 0:21:56.920 --> 0:21:57.879 lying cub with him. 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:02.680 Even though both Eric and David had alibi's, police still 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:07.240 zeroed in on David. They started questioning his friends. Maybe 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:11.560 there was an accomplice. Apparently, David's alibi just meant he 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:12.480 had to have help. 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:16.679 They needed a co conspirator, so they interviewed two of 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:18.760 his other friends, the guy that was within that night 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:21.719 and another guy and tried to get them to say 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:22.679 they did it. 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:26.040 They spoke to a few of David's friends but got nothing. 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:29.200 One of those friends was Josh McComb. 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:30.280 Oh, you know, and you just need you to come 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:32.960 down to the to the station and we're just gonna, 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:34.640 you know, take a couple of pictures of your car 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:36.600 and you know, no, no bigg And then they like 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:37.320 interrogated me. 0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:38.200 He tried to like. 0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:39.200 Catch me up. 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:39.520 You know. 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:42.080 He would ask me one question that was, you know, like, 0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:44.760 is your name Josh Macomb? And I would say get 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:46.320 ready to say yes, and then he would say did 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:48.800 you murder Yvonne? And I had to be like yes 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:50.720 to the first question, oh to the second question. 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:53.879 Josh is a longtime friend of David's. He said that 0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:57.800 police were questioning him hard about the murder, but his 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:01.760 mother was with him, so law enforcement and did the interview. 0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:04.679 And so mayk I'm Joe, and Joe was eager to please, 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:06.919 and joj just like a cheek jab. 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:11.720 Eighteen year old Joe Wilkes, almost a decade younger than David. 0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:15.439 Who was a young flood that didn't really have many friends. 0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:17.720 You know, he was kind of the underdog. For the 0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:19.320 lack of a better word. 0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:22.800 Joe was a drifter. He had an incredibly rough childhood. 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:26.640 His biological father was abusive, so he went into foster care, 0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:31.920 and allegedly his foster parents abused him emotionally, physically, and sexually. 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:35.959 Joe had a severe learning disability. Although I Q an 0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:41.840 emotional trauma, you guys know, well, yeah, no, I. 0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:43.480 Mean I knew him, and I knew him for quite 0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:48.120 a while. I was introduced to him through some other friends. 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:53.159 I met him at parties, you know, through some mutual 0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:58.520 friends and everything, and he lived approximately one and a 0:23:58.600 --> 0:23:59.800