1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:00,400 Speaker 1: Ei. 2 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 2: There, it's Steve Fishman from Orbit Media. I hope you're 3 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 2: enjoying Death and Deceit in Alliance. We've got another new 4 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 2: episode for you. Just one quick message. For access to 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: all fourteen episodes, ad free and all at once, please 6 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: subscribe with Apple Podcasts on our show page. 7 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 3: It really helps us. Previously on Death and Deceit in Alliance, Tylis, 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 3: though she was very nice, very pretty. 9 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 4: I can see why you fell. 10 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: Loved them kind of a relationship behind the scenes because 11 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: I was still dating somebody. 12 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 5: She's a really good person. She loves playing flowers into 13 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 5: that lot we want for walks a lot. She loves 14 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 5: coy and jokes. 15 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,959 Speaker 4: They were good, but they had some bad qualities when 16 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 4: they're together, saying that she's pregnant and I don't know 17 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 4: if she is the real and I don't know if the. 18 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 5: Child is mine. She actually cheated on a couple of times. 19 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: And he said that she was murdered but her mom 20 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: had found her, that she was safed down in a 21 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: pool of blood. I'm hearing the words that he's saying, 22 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: but they're just not making sense. 23 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 3: This is Death and Deceit and Alliance, a real time 24 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 3: investigation into whether David Thorne killed Yvonne Lane. I'm Maggie Freeling. 25 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 3: On April Fool's Day, nineteen ninety nine, Yvonne Lane's mother, 26 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 3: Tanya arrived at nine to sixteen Divine Yvonne's house to 27 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 3: take her grandson Preston to kindergarten around noon. Tanya testified 28 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 3: she took six year old Preston to school every day. 29 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 3: She'd seen Yvonne the day before, on March thirty first, 30 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 3: in the morning, alive and well. Sherman Lane, Yvonne's dad, 31 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: testified that he saw her alive the day of her murder, 32 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 3: although he could not place a time. It was routine 33 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 3: for Tanya to arrive in the drive and beep for 34 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 3: Preston to come out, but on April first, no one 35 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 3: came outside, so Tanya got out of her car and 36 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 3: knocked on the door. Still nothing. She noticed the door 37 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 3: was unlocked. She opened and called inside, still nothing. Yvonne 38 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 3: lives in a modest three floor home. The house itself 39 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 3: could be nice, but the condition and dated furniture portray 40 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 3: a single mom without disposable income. You enter the house 41 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 3: on the ground floor, which is finished but mostly unused. 42 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 3: Just a couch a storage closet, and a crib one 43 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 3: of the kids slept there. There's stairs to the second floor, 44 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 3: which is the main living space and where Yvonne's body 45 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 3: was found. Yvonne was found at the top of the 46 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 3: stairs in the living room area, on a dingy blue 47 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 3: carpet in front of a raggedy seventies looking couch. Yvonne 48 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 3: had it covered with a beige bed sheet, now stained 49 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 3: with blood. Behind it is an unpainted, spackled wall on 50 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 3: the couch, an ashtray with cigarette butts Yvonne's and an 51 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 3: unknown brand. The files didn't list it. Moving through the 52 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 3: house is a dining room, a kitchen, a bathroom, and 53 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 3: a bedroom where two of the kids slept. There's a 54 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 3: sliding glass door off to the left of the dining room, 55 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 3: smeared and dripping with blood, leading to a balcony overlooking 56 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 3: the front yard. Another set of stairs leads to the 57 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 3: third floor, where Yvonne's bedroom was and where the youngest 58 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 3: of the kids slept. So Tanya had opened the front 59 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 3: door on the ground floor and four year old Vinnie 60 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 3: came down the stairs from where his mother's lifeless body lay. 61 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 3: Vinnie was back with Yvonne at this point, when he 62 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 3: got to about the third step, Tanya asked, where's your mommy, Vinnie. 63 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 3: He responded, but she didn't understand him. Remember he was 64 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 3: developmentally delayed and sometimes hard to understand. So she went 65 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 3: up the steps and when she got to the top 66 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 3: of the ste that's when she saw her twenty six 67 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 3: year old daughter face down in a pool of blood. 68 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 3: We found in a pool of her own blood. Tanya 69 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 3: testified that she was trying not to black out and 70 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 3: she could hear the other kids, Brandon and Preston crying 71 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 3: in the second floor bedroom. Baby Trenton was in his 72 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 3: crib in Yvonne's room on the third floor. Tanya said 73 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 3: she was thinking of going to get the kids, but 74 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 3: wasn't sure if someone was still in the house, plus 75 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: she would have had to have walked through the crime 76 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 3: scene over her daughter. In shock, she stumbled down the steps, 77 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 3: trying not to fall, and ran to the neighbor to 78 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 3: call nine one one. Officer Ralph Petty was the first 79 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 3: to respond to the scene. He testified that he got 80 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 3: the dispatch call at twelve thirty two and arrived about 81 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 3: three minutes later. He said when he arrived and Officer 82 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 3: Rick Miller, who'd also heard the dispatch call, pulled up 83 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 3: at the same time as he did, and they both 84 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 3: found Lane outside. Officer Petty testified that he went upstairs 85 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 3: and saw Yvonne face down on the ground right now. 86 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 6: They tell me it's a pretty body scene in there, 87 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 6: so gloves and buoys on this one. 88 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 3: But that bad get that I'll be playing clips like 89 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:20,119 Speaker 3: this from A and E's Dead Again investigation. On David's case, 90 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 3: they actually recreated the crime scene and had real investigators 91 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 3: go in and process the crime scene from scratch. Lot 92 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 3: of blood. I mean, there's just a massive amount of 93 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: blood around her face. Look at all the coagulation right here. 94 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 3: Petty testified that Yvonne was clearly dead, motionless in a 95 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 3: pool of blood, and he described her looking pasty white. Unfortunately, 96 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 3: I do not have audio of anyone describing the scene, 97 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 3: but I do have transcriptions, photos, and reports, and they 98 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 3: are detailed and revealing. Crime scene photos show Yvonne in 99 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 3: all white, making the red blood pooling around her even 100 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,799 Speaker 3: more striking. Her body was facing the stairs, her feet 101 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 3: pointing towards the dining room behind her. It looks like 102 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 3: someone had tipped over a dresser which got caught on 103 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 3: a baby walker and dumped the TV on her and 104 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 3: her head was tangled in the cords. Between Yvan's legs 105 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 3: was a plant and a photo of an unknown child 106 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 3: and a razor blade. I will never find or get 107 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 3: an explanation for this seemingly staged set, but the cause 108 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 3: of death was clear. Once police flipped Yvonne's body over, 109 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 3: they could clearly see her throat had been slit, gaping 110 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 3: eight by four inches. It looks as if the assailant 111 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 3: had tried to cut her head off. Blood splatter was 112 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 3: also on the walls and couch. The left arm of 113 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 3: the couch also had a pool of blood on it. 114 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 3: Near the sliding door to the balcony was a large 115 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 3: streak of blood on the floor leading towards Yvonne. It 116 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 3: looked like she'd been dragged across the wood floor from 117 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 3: the sliding door to where she lay near the living room. 118 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 3: Like I said earlier, the level of violence seemed personal, 119 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 3: like there was some kind of vendetta with the TV 120 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 3: on top of her and the dresser tipped over her, 121 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: and there were splatters of blood dripping down the glass 122 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 3: doors and amidst all this devastation were the artifacts of 123 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,239 Speaker 3: little kids, a cradle for a doll and a walker 124 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 3: for a toddler learning to take his first steps. It 125 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 3: was like the windows got blood from here everywhere. It 126 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 3: was a gruesome crime scene, a slaughter really, And it 127 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 3: was also strange. Not only were her kids there unharmed, 128 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 3: but outside on the porch were a couple of puppies 129 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 3: huddled together. Yvonne's German shepherd mix had recently given birth. 130 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 3: There are photos of these puppies staring through the blood 131 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 3: splattered glass door at Yvonne. It's a jarring site looking 132 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 3: at the crime scene photos. The dining room is also striking. 133 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 3: The chunky nineties wood dining table was flanked by two 134 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 3: equally blocky chairs, and to me it looks like two 135 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 3: people had recently been sitting there. Both chairs are pulled 136 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 3: out and turned away from the table, as they'd be 137 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 3: left if the people sitting there pushed, got up and 138 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 3: walked away. There's also a pack of cigarettes closer to 139 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 3: the left side of the table, but the lighter is 140 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 3: in the middle, as though people were sharing it. The 141 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 3: cigarettes were presumed to be Yvonne's when Officer Petty came 142 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 3: up the stairs, he saw bloody footprints between him and 143 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 3: the body. He says the blood looked mostly dry, so 144 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 3: he and Officer Miller decided it was okay to walk 145 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 3: through the crime scene with no shoe coverings and check 146 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 3: the residence for a murder weapon or the killer. That's 147 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 3: when Officer Rick Miller found Preston and Brandon in their bedroom. 148 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 3: The door locked from the outside, as if someone didn't 149 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 3: want the boys to get out, maybe Yvonne, who was 150 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 3: said to routinely do that when she had a visitor, 151 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 3: or maybe the killer whoever locked the door seemed to 152 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 3: know there was a latch to lock them in from 153 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 3: the outside. Petty said he went to the third floor 154 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 3: and found Trenton in his crib. All the children were unharmed. 155 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 3: Petty said that about ten minutes after he and Miller 156 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 3: got there, Chief Dordia arrived and made his way to 157 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 3: the second floor with a woman that Petty didn't know 158 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 3: and was not law enforcement. Chief Dordia said she's a 159 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 3: ride along, but in a book written about the case, 160 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 3: the author says it was actually his date and he 161 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: not only took this civilian to the house, but he 162 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 3: also allowed her into the crime scene. Petty testified they 163 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 3: needed to get the kids out of the house, but 164 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 3: there was no way to get out without walking by Yvonne. 165 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 3: So Petty said that he and Miller took a blanket 166 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 3: from the third floor bedroom and covered Yvonne's body with it. Again, 167 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 3: he said that the blood seemed pretty dry, so he 168 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 3: wasn't worried about corrupting any evidence. Then he said, the 169 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 3: officers picked the kids up and walked them over Yvon's 170 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 3: blanket cover body and out of the house. I asked 171 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 3: Yvonn's son, Preston, who was six at the time, what 172 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 3: he remembered from that night into the morning. So what 173 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 3: do you remember from that night? 174 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 5: Oh, I wasn't mid night on the talk outside my 175 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 5: mom maybe and she asked them to get outstairs and 176 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 5: locked the door. I got out a couple of inches 177 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 5: away from the door handle, and I got scared. That's 178 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 5: still in hell. I was going to scare of the 179 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 5: dark anyway. 180 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 3: So he left the door unlocked. 181 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 5: So I ran back upstairs, and she asked me us 182 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 5: to lock the door, and I told her yes, and 183 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 5: we went to bed. Mea and brown well Brand woke 184 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 5: me up. Probably somebody in the middle of the night 185 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 5: and he was trying to get out of the room, 186 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 5: and we got a latch on the other side of 187 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 5: the door and the outside of the door, and usually 188 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 5: our door wasn't locked from the outside, but that night 189 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 5: it was, and he kept pounding on the door and 190 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 5: nobody came down short, so then he was crying all 191 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 5: over it. So I just grabbed him and I took 192 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 5: them to the side of the bed and went back 193 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 5: to sleep. When we look up the police officers where 194 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 5: there a whole bunch of people and a ton of 195 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 5: people outside the house. 196 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 3: Now I would understand why the police might shield children 197 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 3: from the crime scene. That makes sense, but it doesn't 198 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: explain why so many decisions were made that compromised evidence 199 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:26,119 Speaker 3: in a murder investigation, civilians coming in, no shoe coverings, 200 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 3: cross contamination of evidence. There is even a crime scene 201 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 3: photo that actually shows an officer stepping over Yvonne's body, 202 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 3: leaving a bloody footprint between her legs. I thought maybe 203 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 3: these were oversights caused in part by the officers worrying 204 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 3: so much about getting the kids out of the house 205 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 3: without seeing their mom. So I asked Preston about it, 206 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 3: and the police said that they carried you and covered 207 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 3: your mom with a blanket. 208 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 5: Let's say I hear that all the time, I mean 209 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 5: doing it. I'm on that cover brain guyline walks. 210 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: Very Shortly after the kids were removed from the house, 211 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 3: detectives John Leech, Lloyd Sampson, and Bill Mucklow arrived and 212 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 3: ordered patrol officers Petty and Miller out. 213 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 7: The first major thing I've always learned is you have 214 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 7: to preserve the scene so the evidence doesn't get contaminated 215 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 7: or destroyed. 216 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 3: This is Detective Mucklow in a two thousand and eight deposition. 217 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 7: So on a murder homicide scenario, the first thing we 218 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 7: would do is called the Star County Crame Lab, and 219 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 7: they would send over a technician to go over and 220 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,239 Speaker 7: do the initial collecting and finger preying. 221 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 3: Crime scene texts. And the coroner arrived and the investigation began. 222 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 3: It's worth mentioning that animal control also came and took 223 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 3: Yvon's dogs from the crime scene. Detectives collected bed sheets, 224 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 3: pillow cushions and couch coverings, scrapings and swabs of blood 225 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 3: from the living room and stairs, kitchen knives, sections of 226 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 3: flooring with bloody footprints, opened coke cans from the bedroom 227 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 3: and kitchen, a Marlboro cigarette pack and cigarettes from the 228 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 3: kitchen table, a lighter, unopened condoms and penthouse magazines from 229 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 3: Yvonne's bedroom, and two packages of Swisher Suitees cigars. Detectives 230 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 3: also lifted and preserved fingerprints from the coke cans and 231 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 3: a glass on the table. A neighbor also called in 232 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 3: a large kitchen butcher knife in the road a few 233 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 3: blocks away from the crime scene. The knife appeared to 234 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 3: match the set they'd found in Yvonn's kitchen, and the 235 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 3: knife had a print on it. Outside, neighbors and family 236 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 3: members crowded the scene. A newspaper article from the time 237 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 3: describes a neatly manicured lawn splashed with children's toys and 238 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 3: a red sandbox cording off by yellow police tape. At 239 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 3: about five pm, a neighbor walked by the bustling crime 240 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 3: scene and stopped to talk to officers and his police report. 241 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 3: Officer Sampson noted that twenty year old George Hale told 242 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 3: officers that at about nine thirty ten am he noticed 243 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 3: Yvon's house. He heard the puppies barking and looked over. 244 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 3: Here's Sampson. 245 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 8: Reading his report, he advised he saw a white man 246 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 8: about five foot nine abot one hundred and eighty pounds 247 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 8: in his mid to late twenties, wearing blue jeans and 248 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 8: a short sleeved shirt with medium lengs hair exit the 249 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 8: residents carrying a garbage bag. He said that the white 250 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 8: man walked around the west end of the house. He 251 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 8: said it did not look like anything out of the range, 252 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 8: and he kept walking. 253 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 3: Samson noted this in the report. Detectives were also canvassing 254 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 3: the neighborhood. The neighbor across the street said she saw 255 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 3: Yvonne on the night of the thirty first. She said 256 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 3: yvon was outside around five thirty pm crushing soda cans, 257 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 3: talking to a forty year old white man about five 258 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 3: foot seven in a plaid shirt with curly, graying hair. 259 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 3: Detective Mucklow said he tried to speak with Tanya. 260 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 7: And it was just you know, and I know, it 261 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,479 Speaker 7: was a tough time and I had to extract information 262 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 7: about who Yvonne was hanging around, you know, what contact 263 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 7: she had, and you know what happened prior, and you know, 264 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 7: just just basic information on her daughter. And yeah, she 265 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 7: wasn't too much help at all. I mean, she was 266 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 7: just the best way to describe it is like a zombie. 267 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 7: She just wasn't She wasn't there. I mean every time 268 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 7: I had contact with her as she was the same way. 269 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 7: It was just like a shell of a person. 270 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 3: Eventually, Tanya and Sherman left with all four boys. While 271 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 3: in the car, Tanya said that she asked Vinnie who 272 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 3: hurt Mommy, thinking that since he was walking around the house, 273 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 3: he may know something. Vinnie is the mystery here and 274 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 3: maybe the key. The four year old said he saw 275 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 3: a Josh, Jimmy or Jeremy push Mommy. He didn't say 276 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 3: all three names, he said one, but the name was 277 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 3: hard to make out because of his disability. So Josh, 278 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 3: Jimmy or Jeremy has always been taken with a grain 279 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 3: of salt. When they got home, Tanya said she called 280 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 3: David's grandfather and told him to tell David what happened 281 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 3: and to have David come pick up two year old Brandon, 282 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 3: the son he shared with Yvonne. She testified that David 283 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 3: was already supposed to pick up Brandon that day. Remember 284 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 3: when David got the news, he was at work, his 285 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 3: grandfather called him. 286 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 9: I have good if you need me to do, and 287 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 9: he's like, I need you to go over her parents 288 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 9: house and pick up Brandon because they're there and they 289 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 9: got and everything in her house. So I mean, I 290 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 9: just pulled my ball to son right there. I was like, 291 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 9: you know, I gotta go, and I'm I'm half explaining 292 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 9: that going as I'm walking out the door and he's 293 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 9: following out to the car. 294 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 3: David said he left work around to to go pick 295 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 3: up Brandon. 296 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 9: So I shoot over to assuming and Tanya's I get there, 297 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 9: I walk in the house, her dad coming up out 298 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 9: of the basement with a load of laundry long past me, 299 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 9: and he was like, Kanye's up there. They have like 300 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 9: a bi level house. But whenever I go up into 301 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 9: the room, Kanya's face since mankept her, she was crying. 302 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 9: I started talking to her what's going on? And you know, 303 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 9: she could only tell me what. 304 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,719 Speaker 3: It is that she knew that Yvonne was dead. So 305 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 3: David took Brandon and waited for updates. What were you 306 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 3: thinking when all of this went down? Like what was 307 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 3: going through your head? I mean, I can't even imagine. 308 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 6: Well, whenever I initially got the call and then I 309 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 6: go over and I pick him up. I mean, just. 310 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 5: Like shock and awe. 311 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 6: It's like as if it's not even real, like something 312 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 6: has to be wrong, you know what I mean, it 313 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 6: can't be true. 314 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 10: And then the. 315 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 6: Realization of it coming in that this had actually happened. 316 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,719 Speaker 6: I mean, I felt bad for the family and of 317 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 6: course for my son. 318 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 3: David went down to the police station the day after 319 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 3: Yvonne was found. His grandfather retained David an attorney who 320 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 3: joined him at the station. As one of Yvonne's recent 321 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 3: ex boyfriends and one of the fathers of her five children, 322 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 3: it's reasonable detectives wanted to speak with him, ask is alibi, 323 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 3: see what he knows about who any suspects could be. 324 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 3: But David says, that's not what happened. 325 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 6: And I mean was the first question all of a 326 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 6: suddenly there after me how our relationship was, you. 327 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 9: Know, where I was that and everything, and so I said, 328 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 9: I'm here to help you, and then he said I've 329 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 9: helped you, and I'm like, literally, I kneed help for. 330 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 3: Right Then David's lawyer shut the interview down, but the 331 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 3: police now had their antennas up. They thought David was 332 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 3: uncooperative and suspicious, and that really sealed David's fate as 333 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 3: the person of interest. A single dad who has to 334 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 3: pay child support and lawyers up after the woman he 335 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 3: has to pay child support to is murdered. I totally 336 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 3: get it, But David wasn't the only ex with a 337 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 3: motive in Yvonne's life. Eric Cameron is the father of 338 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 3: three of Yvonne's kids. Maybe he found out about the 339 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 3: rekindled affair between Yvonne and David, or maybe he wanted custody. 340 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 3: Here's Detective Samson in his deposition. 341 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 6: So you remember speaking with Did you speaking with Eric Cameron, 342 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 6: the father of three of her children? 343 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 4: Did you yourself speak to him? 344 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 8: He was ruled out as a suspect because he was 345 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 8: in jail at the time. 346 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 3: Eric was in jail, so the detectives went back to David. 347 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 3: As I mentioned in the last episode, by all accounts, 348 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 3: David and Yvonne were on good terms. Even Yvon's parents 349 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 3: testified at trial that David and Yvonne had an agreeable visitation. 350 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 3: David could take Brandon whenever he pleased, and David also 351 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 3: had a solid alibi. The night of the murder, David 352 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 3: was at his shoot fighting class with his lion cub. 353 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 4: David was taking a martial arts class that night, like 354 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 4: three four counties away, and he did it every single 355 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 4: Wednesday night. He had been for a couple months, and 356 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 4: they knew where he was. He had a lion cub 357 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 4: within that night, and so it was memorable to the 358 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 4: people that were in the class that David brought his 359 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 4: lying cub with him. 360 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 3: Even though both Eric and David had alibi's, police still 361 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 3: zeroed in on David. They started questioning his friends. Maybe 362 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 3: there was an accomplice. Apparently, David's alibi just meant he 363 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 3: had to have help. 364 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 4: They needed a co conspirator, so they interviewed two of 365 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 4: his other friends, the guy that was within that night 366 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,719 Speaker 4: and another guy and tried to get them to say 367 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 4: they did it. 368 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 3: They spoke to a few of David's friends but got nothing. 369 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 3: One of those friends was Josh McComb. 370 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 11: Oh, you know, and you just need you to come 371 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 11: down to the to the station and we're just gonna, 372 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 11: you know, take a couple of pictures of your car 373 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 11: and you know, no, no bigg And then they like 374 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 11: interrogated me. 375 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 2: He tried to like. 376 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 11: Catch me up. 377 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: You know. 378 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 11: He would ask me one question that was, you know, like, 379 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 11: is your name Josh Macomb? And I would say get 380 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 11: ready to say yes, and then he would say did 381 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 11: you murder Yvonne? And I had to be like yes 382 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 11: to the first question, oh to the second question. 383 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 3: Josh is a longtime friend of David's. He said that 384 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 3: police were questioning him hard about the murder, but his 385 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 3: mother was with him, so law enforcement and did the interview. 386 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 4: And so mayk I'm Joe, and Joe was eager to please, 387 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 4: and joj just like a cheek jab. 388 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 3: Eighteen year old Joe Wilkes, almost a decade younger than David. 389 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 6: Who was a young flood that didn't really have many friends. 390 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 6: You know, he was kind of the underdog. For the 391 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 6: lack of a better word. 392 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 3: Joe was a drifter. He had an incredibly rough childhood. 393 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 3: His biological father was abusive, so he went into foster care, 394 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 3: and allegedly his foster parents abused him emotionally, physically, and sexually. 395 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,959 Speaker 3: Joe had a severe learning disability. Although I Q an 396 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 3: emotional trauma, you guys know, well, yeah, no, I. 397 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 6: Mean I knew him, and I knew him for quite 398 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 6: a while. I was introduced to him through some other friends. 399 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 6: I met him at parties, you know, through some mutual 400 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 6: friends and everything, and he lived approximately one and a 401 00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 6: quarter miles away from me. 402 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 3: Joe eventually wound up homeless as a teen in ninety 403 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 3: seven or ninety eight. 404 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 6: I threw him I'm driving into down up seeing walkings. 405 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 6: I'd picking him up. I'm taking in the town I've 406 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 6: taken into work, and he was he was just slooping 407 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 6: my car outside because his mom had kicked him out. 408 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 6: God letting in hit sleep on the caps. 409 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 3: At the time of Yvonne's death, Joe was actually staying 410 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 3: with other friends. He was brought into the police station 411 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 3: on July fourteenth, and by this point the police had 412 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 3: said on record that the case was cold. There were 413 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 3: really no leads. They liked David for the murder, but 414 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 3: with his alibi, there was nothing they could do. But 415 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 3: as soon as they got their hands on Joe, the 416 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 3: entire case took a turn. 417 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 10: He's always been talking to me how she was since 418 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 10: that one of the ones out of his wife, and 419 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 10: that he could have a little boy, and then I 420 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 10: for years I told him to keep me out, that 421 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 10: I want nothing to do with it. And then what 422 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 10: was that Wayne? 423 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:08,719 Speaker 5: Okay? 424 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 10: And then one day I just watched everything and I 425 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 10: didn't care about life no more, and they just knew 426 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 10: about it ind of me. 427 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 3: That's next time coming up on Death and Deceit in Alliance. 428 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 8: We are in the take a bureau at the Alliance Department. 429 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 8: We're in a vestigating on the side of Yvonne Lane. 430 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 8: Can you tell us your part in this? 431 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 10: And I asked him what it was and he said 432 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 10: to kill Someboddy And at that point. 433 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 8: I really didn't care about what for not then, So. 434 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 4: Why did David want this done? 435 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 11: So David could have this little way and you wouldn't have. 436 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 10: To pay so much money? 437 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 4: Did David? Hey? 438 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: You? 439 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 4: Hey, you didn't do something for me? 440 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 10: He asked me if I would do it back to it? 441 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 8: Are you sorry for fortunated? 442 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 7: I can't play, Okay. 443 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 3: Death and Deceit in Alliance is produced and reported by 444 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 3: me Maggie Freeling, with editorial consulting from Amber Hunt. Aaron 445 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 3: Case is our legal researcher. Our executive producer is Steve Fishman. 446 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 3: Our engineer and production coordinator is Austin Smith. Eric Axelrod 447 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 3: is our assistant producer.