WEBVTT - Conversations about Suge Knight w/ Reggie Wright Jr. Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>So Ri's um, so okay, you're in the bed and ship.

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<v Speaker 1>That's I've seen all your other interviews, nikked you was

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<v Speaker 1>just sitting up just fresh and ship and all that.

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<v Speaker 1>You just how you kind of gotta relax for a

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<v Speaker 1>while when you kind of recovery. Yeah, that's how I

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<v Speaker 1>being when I'm in the bed. You know, when I've

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<v Speaker 1>been doing the olier, the viewers they were get me

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<v Speaker 1>a little bed and helping me, and I was sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in a wheelchair quite frankly, or you know, got put

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<v Speaker 1>in a chair. But you know, I just said the

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<v Speaker 1>last minute, you know, said I come on and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>get some love and and I appreciate you like this.

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<v Speaker 1>So is it more like under shame in my situation?

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<v Speaker 1>Share ain't nothing to be ashigned up? Is it? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it more of a core like your core kind of

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<v Speaker 1>where you're sitting up. It's like a little tougher. You

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<v Speaker 1>gotta start my core strong? Is this for standard? I

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<v Speaker 1>just can't standard because my core got weak from laying up,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, eight eight and nine months, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>getting my core and my stomach and everything in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle back strong. That's right, that's right. On no sellings,

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<v Speaker 1>gl my boy peev back in the spin is not

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<v Speaker 1>p what's up? Feel mean? We're in here. I got

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<v Speaker 1>my big brother and manager still somebody dm me still

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<v Speaker 1>right and they were asking about the conversation with Scottie

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<v Speaker 1>Pippen and they was like, man, it's still gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>on there again. I was like no. He was like good.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like good. I was like, what's funny to me?

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<v Speaker 1>Is I think it's because so we did a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>right about selling soul and still sound like the devil red?

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what you tripping forward? Okay, hold up? Hold up?

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<v Speaker 1>And we got to guess in the spot my O G.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? Like Pops gave me a

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<v Speaker 1>good look when I was a kid. We never even

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<v Speaker 1>talked about it, fear me. So there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>respect for his name with me, you feel me? And

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<v Speaker 1>what he was able to do for the record with

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<v Speaker 1>that pretty much changed the music industry. My boy Reggie right,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, with it, O J, what up? What up

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<v Speaker 1>blasting a loan man doing today? Motherfucking Still still he

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<v Speaker 1>was on you though he was on steale ass. He

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<v Speaker 1>was like, man, I'm nick trying to get you to

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<v Speaker 1>sell your soul. He didn't even say nothing about Peter.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's accepted when white people sell out, they

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<v Speaker 1>expect you know what. The thing with these fans, though, man,

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<v Speaker 1>these people listen to these podcasts if they take everything

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<v Speaker 1>so literally, Man, everything with them is literal, like like

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<v Speaker 1>they don't know, they don't know the artist. Just motherfucker

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<v Speaker 1>being sarcastic, you know what I mean, Just being sarcastic.

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<v Speaker 1>But how do you feel that way? If somebody are

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<v Speaker 1>from you a bunch of money that um to make

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<v Speaker 1>a malt liquor, why not take it? Okay? So if

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<v Speaker 1>somebody somebody wanted me to ask you this, they said,

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<v Speaker 1>how much money would you want to sell your soul? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't sell my soul. If it was the sex thing.

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<v Speaker 1>If you could literally make a deal with the definiten

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<v Speaker 1>to sell your soul, I wouldn't do it. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>sell my soul. I can't sell my eternity. That would

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<v Speaker 1>be stupid, Peter. You ever, back in the day, there

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<v Speaker 1>was there was people who are selling their souls on

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<v Speaker 1>the Craigslist. Remember that that's the real thing. What would

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<v Speaker 1>you take for yourself, Peter, I don't know. Depends on

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<v Speaker 1>depends on what I need that day. When you make

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<v Speaker 1>a deal with the devil, bro, it's gonna be some

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<v Speaker 1>trickery because I'd be the type of motherfucker with my

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<v Speaker 1>luck I sell my soul and get hit by a

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<v Speaker 1>car as soon as I walked outside of some ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm saying, no, but what if I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>buy yourself? You couldn't buy my soul, Bro, I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>my soul. Red selling your soul and you tell letting

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<v Speaker 1>NICs in your comments to eat a dick? Redd? Would

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<v Speaker 1>you tell yourself do you believe in souls? Ridge work?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I'm I think like Norman, as soon as I

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<v Speaker 1>felt my soul or something like that, it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>everything bad to start happening. It was. It was an

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<v Speaker 1>episode of The Simpsons right where Bart where meal House

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Bar soul. Bart believe in souls, so meal House

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<v Speaker 1>bought bar soul for five dollars and like Bart was

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<v Speaker 1>having a dream where he died and him and Mealhouse

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<v Speaker 1>died and they needed to roll their selves across St.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter's Gate and it was a two or boat. So

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<v Speaker 1>it was supposed to be you and your soul right rowing?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, over to the to heaven, and meal House

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<v Speaker 1>was sitting in the back of the boat and his

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<v Speaker 1>male house soul and Barsol was both rolling him and

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<v Speaker 1>bart was just rolling in the circle. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>why I remember that right now. Good, but that's just

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about No, No, I wouldn't you know what's funny?

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<v Speaker 1>The conversation came out rich, how much would you sell

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<v Speaker 1>your manhood? You won't feel your manhood for nothing, but

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<v Speaker 1>you'll sell your soul. I wouldn't sell my soul or

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<v Speaker 1>my manhood. My manhood is a pretty priceless um. And

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<v Speaker 1>then that episode of the Census. I needed to roll

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<v Speaker 1>it just in case God let me in. I needed

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<v Speaker 1>to roll to heaven. So I can't let go. I

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<v Speaker 1>might be stuck in that ocean. That purgatory you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and you what you Catholic of them? No, only Catholics

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<v Speaker 1>believe in purgatory. Purgatory got did away with bro I think,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's what you got if you're Christian, that would

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<v Speaker 1>say only people to believe in purgatory. Still to my

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge of the Catholics, so you don't think Christian Catholics

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<v Speaker 1>said the Sime share the sign religion to a degree,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, they only believe a hundred forty four thousand

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<v Speaker 1>going to heaven. They believe everybody. They don't believe you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to purgatory, heaven or hell. I think that years

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<v Speaker 1>to believe in the hundt four thousand, how many more?

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<v Speaker 1>How much of it? I think Jehovahs Witness believed that

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<v Speaker 1>only a hundred four. I was raised Catholic. All the

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<v Speaker 1>Catechism and all those classes and all that church school stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>I never heard any of that. You never heard a

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<v Speaker 1>number that might be, that that might be, But it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't like something that was talked to about as part

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<v Speaker 1>of the faith in the Catholic religion. It was never

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<v Speaker 1>anything high school and that's all they talked about with purgatory.

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<v Speaker 1>Was so mad that my parents and made the every

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<v Speaker 1>day high school. There's there was something that they talked

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<v Speaker 1>about having to do with like um so sort of

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<v Speaker 1>timing with like the sacrament of whatever and then like

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<v Speaker 1>the funeral and the ascension process. But there wasn't like

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<v Speaker 1>a strand there wasn't a whole lot of emphasis being

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<v Speaker 1>talked about like you can get stuck in purgatory and

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<v Speaker 1>definitely or whatever. Mm hmm, Okay, so when I heard

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<v Speaker 1>it was purgatory hill, heaven and hill and so many

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<v Speaker 1>amount will getting into heaven. But I could be wrong

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<v Speaker 1>because that's not a religion I study. I just heard

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<v Speaker 1>it in the tenth grade. And Captain Catholicism. Captain you

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<v Speaker 1>know you know the stays Yeah you might, You might

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<v Speaker 1>be right, Reggie. It was a catechism to um because

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<v Speaker 1>you know Chris went to bost he didn't participate in

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<v Speaker 1>then that stuff either, Um, Well, you know Catholicism started.

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<v Speaker 1>They're the center piece of Christianity. Who told you that?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's if you actually know the history of

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<v Speaker 1>Peter was the first of the Catholic Church. So serious m.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that. Yeah, a non Christian, actually a

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<v Speaker 1>non Christian actually created Christianity. Well he didn't, he didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I take that back. That's a lot. He orchestrated the meeting.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how we see the structure of Christianity. And then

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<v Speaker 1>when he was about to die, like they say he

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<v Speaker 1>was like ten minutes before he died, he had to

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<v Speaker 1>priests come in and make him a Christian. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>that is some chicken ship ship to do. You're about

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<v Speaker 1>to die, that hold come on God, like make God,

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<v Speaker 1>ain't stupid, get your ass at the game, like no

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<v Speaker 1>nigger shouldn't talk about this politics and religion. So we've

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<v Speaker 1>got to move on. Shut up to everybody. But we

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<v Speaker 1>need what you believe as long as to make you

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<v Speaker 1>a good person? How much about character and heart? Have

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<v Speaker 1>a good character and try to have a good heart

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, because believe me, wicked Christians and righteous atheists

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<v Speaker 1>exactly don't know about that. That's like san like Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>There's good people on both sides. But look, so ch

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<v Speaker 1>do you believe in that type of thing that people

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<v Speaker 1>can sell a soul? I believe people have done it

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<v Speaker 1>and and and do it, but I don't believe. I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't. I don't. I wouldn't condone it.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't do it because Steve is not worth it

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<v Speaker 1>to me. You know, I used to tell people all

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<v Speaker 1>the time when I was a police officer, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>make as much money as I did when I was

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<v Speaker 1>running death row in that my security company and all

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<v Speaker 1>of that. But you know, I was a happier person

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion. I had more stuff, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>and more and better credit. And from my point, of

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<v Speaker 1>being exact if you're learned to adjust to to what

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<v Speaker 1>you have. And when you started getting more like that,

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<v Speaker 1>soon one more money, more problems. Yeah, he got that

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<v Speaker 1>one right for motherfucker's so okay. Listen. So still accused

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<v Speaker 1>a record exact out of Compton of selling his soul right,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wouldn't sold us saying he was a devil worshiper.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a big difference. That's the same thing, ad because

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<v Speaker 1>he loved top Dogs. That's all he ever talking about

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<v Speaker 1>Top Dog and top from Watts he was talking about

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<v Speaker 1>he was talking about easy Oh right, But I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to get into that. We're gonna hold that for

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<v Speaker 1>another thing when no easy slander, no Compton legends landers.

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<v Speaker 1>So what I'm asking, right is, you know a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people told me that coming into the business, that

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<v Speaker 1>should solder soul. A lot of people told me that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't really believe it. I believe anytime a

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<v Speaker 1>black man is successful, brothers from where we come from,

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<v Speaker 1>they have to figure out why they're not successful, so

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<v Speaker 1>on other people they start putting bullshit beliefs. Do you think,

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<v Speaker 1>at any need being around, should you funk with him

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<v Speaker 1>more than everybody that he was like he sold his

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<v Speaker 1>soul or was evil. I believe Sugar was the most

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<v Speaker 1>generous person I've ever met in my life. That's my opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>But when he turned on you, he turned on you

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of these people. If people watched the

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<v Speaker 1>recent interview has been done duel and all of them,

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<v Speaker 1>Danny Boy and all of them. The people have never

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<v Speaker 1>put out in an album on Death Row. But they're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about two surgeries, they're talking about monthlies. They're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about um all this money that was being spent on

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<v Speaker 1>now and how they were living and looking and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and never put out an album one Death Row. And

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<v Speaker 1>all these people want a bad mouthing now, but he

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<v Speaker 1>was taking care of of a lot of people. People

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<v Speaker 1>just got mad when he cuts you off. And where

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<v Speaker 1>he messed up at and I meant he messed up

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<v Speaker 1>by not having a royalty department. But in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>and for what I know, and once everybody sit down

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<v Speaker 1>and do the accounting and stuff, man, you will find

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<v Speaker 1>out that this man overpaid all of his artists. That

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that if you just look, you'd have been

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<v Speaker 1>in the game. Glasses. You know what an album? People

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<v Speaker 1>don't tell what an album really generates you million dollar

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<v Speaker 1>Artists like palk And and Snoop were if they were

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<v Speaker 1>getting a dollar a record back there dollar they weren't recouping.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's five million, tim million dollars. You don't learned

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<v Speaker 1>on all types of expenses and stuff like that within

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<v Speaker 1>that period of time that the brothers done. Guy, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean Snoop had a four and a half million dollar

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<v Speaker 1>legal fee and a judgment money put an album model

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<v Speaker 1>on death front and I'm glad you told me that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you said at that because when I talked

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<v Speaker 1>to him. One of the coolest things about shig Um

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<v Speaker 1>when I first met him, how I met him was

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<v Speaker 1>um I had met Ron and Don first. Right, Ron

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<v Speaker 1>and Don worked with my engineer, Guido and um, so

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<v Speaker 1>they talked to me about him and they always talked

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<v Speaker 1>spoke highly like he was a good dude. Um I

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<v Speaker 1>had wrote. My first single was a song called Certified

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<v Speaker 1>with a Con and like, you know, like I was

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<v Speaker 1>super good at like straight gang member wise, I really

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<v Speaker 1>didn't give a funk and I was out there with it.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was a line in the song where I say, um,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm laughing at these rap niggas running from Sugar, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So I remember like it was more of me of

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<v Speaker 1>a staff to niggas that was acting like they were

0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:43.400
<v Speaker 1>street niggas, but it was a nigga that was pumping

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<v Speaker 1>that must fear in their heart, right, So I just

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<v Speaker 1>presented myself in the way that like, it's no nigga

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<v Speaker 1>gonna pump, no fear the nigga who is the most

0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.319
<v Speaker 1>scariest nigga. That's how I went about rapping, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, let niggas know right off the rip. So

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of my homies was like, yeah, man, should

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<v Speaker 1>have heard that line some so forth so forth, And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah, that's cool, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I ain't tripping like Sugar solid like. And at

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<v Speaker 1>that time, you know, I knew so many niggas from

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<v Speaker 1>the mob, Like I used to go over there all

0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:11.199
<v Speaker 1>the time. Mikey Rules my boys able wresting peace. A

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<v Speaker 1>couple niggas is my guys term a couple of niggas, right,

0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.920
<v Speaker 1>So I really didn't have no issue. I went to

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<v Speaker 1>the House of Blues and performed it, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>there because he was on the second floor. Fear me

0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:31.240
<v Speaker 1>standing up right, So I'm busting the ship. I'm going crazy. Um,

0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:35.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm with Tip, I'm opening for Tip, and uh, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>wrapping it. And I've seen so you know, you know

0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:39.960
<v Speaker 1>how they make us where we're from, is they make

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<v Speaker 1>us this way, like, oh, let me triple that up,

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<v Speaker 1>let me really put it there. So niggas no. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm laughing at these rap niggas running for sure. Shu

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<v Speaker 1>stood up, put his arms out in the whole crowd.

0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.679
<v Speaker 1>Look back at him, and I'm going, I'm just talking, Cray,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just wrapping my rap. So when I get off

0:13:57.320 --> 0:14:00.000
<v Speaker 1>the stage, he comes to the back. We introduced each other,

0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, obviously should nice. I sized him. I'm like, Nigga,

0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.360
<v Speaker 1>we'll be cold squabble. Nigga is a fair one, you know.

0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:09.600
<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't that type of energy. It was like

0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.360
<v Speaker 1>more I could tell he was proud that I could Nigga,

0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.320
<v Speaker 1>that he could that he knew was something got clogged,

0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.319
<v Speaker 1>got close enough to get into the business. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was nothing. But this is two thousand seven. That's two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand seven eight. Okay, later it is late. You've got

0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:27.240
<v Speaker 1>a different ship. Let me be honest. Two thousand shigs

0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:34.080
<v Speaker 1>two thousand seven. Ship was not two different ship nights.

0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:39.360
<v Speaker 1>I had money and power, the other one, yeah, a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of power, no money, but he had different

0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:50.080
<v Speaker 1>crew running with him, had two boys. He had niggas

0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.080
<v Speaker 1>that would would he had two boys somewhere and it

0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.760
<v Speaker 1>doesn't buried you in rape you. Yeah, yeah, he had

0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:58.080
<v Speaker 1>some boys. He had some boys seven. He was running

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<v Speaker 1>with Denver Lanes, not saying that they weren't there for anything,

0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.400
<v Speaker 1>but there wasn't as loyal to him because they're from

0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:06.360
<v Speaker 1>a different neighborhood. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I knew that. I

0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:08.280
<v Speaker 1>knew that. I knew the niggas he was running away

0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:10.480
<v Speaker 1>from Lanes then with some of my boys too. But

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<v Speaker 1>long story short, it was never like the line, wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>ever a disrespectful line about ship. So to me, like

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<v Speaker 1>when he embraced me, he actually is the first legend

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<v Speaker 1>from the coast to me to truly embrace me like man,

0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:26.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, like his energy was like, man, welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the business. Don't let these niggas play you, because they're

0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:31.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna try to play you. So we start building from

0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.800
<v Speaker 1>that point on. You know, we built a great relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the things I talked to him about

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<v Speaker 1>and asked him about was snoop? I was like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the whole thing with the money. He started explaining

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<v Speaker 1>to me how much he spent in getting him out

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<v Speaker 1>of prison and when keeping him from Yeah, yeah, from getting.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I said, from from getting, he'd have been

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<v Speaker 1>in prison. I mean it was a simple case. So

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<v Speaker 1>somebody legs, yeah, so exactly, so not no nigga, No, hope,

0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:09.000
<v Speaker 1>God don't do that. That's not know. He wouldn't. Long

0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:12.960
<v Speaker 1>story short, I thought that was ill. He told me

0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:14.880
<v Speaker 1>the story. I was like, get their hair braid in

0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.080
<v Speaker 1>the prison. No, no, I don't even want to know.

0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:19.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm not trying to find out. I wouldn't get my

0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:21.960
<v Speaker 1>hair braiker. So I've been to killing nigga, talk about

0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:24.560
<v Speaker 1>break my hair and braid my hair. Gonna kill you.

0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.320
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, he told me the story, and I knew

0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:29.880
<v Speaker 1>the number he was talking about is real because I

0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:33.400
<v Speaker 1>watched certain hommies that I knew fight cases. And I'm like, damn,

0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:37.640
<v Speaker 1>so it's millions upon millions upon millions of dollars. He

0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:39.560
<v Speaker 1>taught me some crazy ship like, I ain't trying to

0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:41.680
<v Speaker 1>throw a ship out there, but you know, he spent

0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.280
<v Speaker 1>some money. I knew he spent some real money because

0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:46.200
<v Speaker 1>they had to come to hin four. They knew we

0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:48.440
<v Speaker 1>had it, so they're gonna come to for it. You know.

0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:50.680
<v Speaker 1>The turns that he had, he was four and the

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<v Speaker 1>home four. The people that got rested on Snowcake, the bodyguard,

0:16:55.520 --> 0:17:03.160
<v Speaker 1>the bodyguard uh shon dog one of those for him.

0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:05.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it was a little ce style

0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:09.280
<v Speaker 1>or its for him. Two of them eventually got their

0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:12.800
<v Speaker 1>case dismissed. My point was these attorneys was David Chesse

0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:15.840
<v Speaker 1>now David chess Off, that the guy that represented the

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<v Speaker 1>football player in Vegas right now, he was also the

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<v Speaker 1>guy that represented Dirk Uh, the guy you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>the old man that just got got uh convicted for

0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:29.879
<v Speaker 1>melissitting No women are killing, no killing. This his friend

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<v Speaker 1>um about you know, back in the day. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to tell you how the powerful of attorney John Ray,

0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:44.359
<v Speaker 1>powerful attorney from San Diego area, Johnny Cochran and David

0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Kenned also the fourth attorneys. Jesus, he had an O

0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:54.359
<v Speaker 1>J dream team exactly. This is who had it, you know,

0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:56.919
<v Speaker 1>who he had on this case to represent him. And

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<v Speaker 1>my point to all of that has been this is mom.

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<v Speaker 1>The mount of money that they put out, four attorneys

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<v Speaker 1>touring the amount, and that's why Snoop don't really complain. Yeah,

0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.920
<v Speaker 1>I did this separation and agreement that sold, and people

0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:12.960
<v Speaker 1>don't like when I use the word soul so Ill said.

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<v Speaker 1>I signed as as an artist, I get it, signed

0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:21.560
<v Speaker 1>his rights to show him. Well, actually it was Priority Records,

0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:26.200
<v Speaker 1>to be honest, everybody, because because Priority, because because Mac

0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:28.560
<v Speaker 1>was gonna get him at first. I was trying to

0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:30.840
<v Speaker 1>make a move back and they ain't. Never we wasn't

0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.679
<v Speaker 1>gonna sell me the mack we turned down with Russell

0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Simmons came up there with more money. Not Russell Simmons,

0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.760
<v Speaker 1>Lee or Coin came up there with more money, rolled

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<v Speaker 1>up to the prison with me about three or four

0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:44.240
<v Speaker 1>times and try to get it. He offered eight million

0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:47.560
<v Speaker 1>dollars because he was in business with Columbia. Said they

0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:50.240
<v Speaker 1>told him thirteen million. But he came back and said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>all I can get you is because Columbia don't want

0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:55.199
<v Speaker 1>to give up that much is eight million dollars. He

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<v Speaker 1>told him, No, he has signed the rights to Priority

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<v Speaker 1>for I'm percent over right in four and a half

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars and Gay Snoop Gay Snoop a million dollars

0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:10.680
<v Speaker 1>to sign the contract to leave death Row, saying that

0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.720
<v Speaker 1>that he don't owe anything. No, he had no more

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<v Speaker 1>claims than anything from death Row on any other money

0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:20.399
<v Speaker 1>that was generated from there was done three one, and

0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:23.800
<v Speaker 1>anyone was supposed to pay them, you know. And I'm

0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:25.399
<v Speaker 1>talking about that once we took the cat off from

0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.199
<v Speaker 1>Interscope and took it over to death Row. I mean

0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:32.399
<v Speaker 1>took it over to the Interscope was done out in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand one. Yeah, so Snoop is not old any

0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:38.920
<v Speaker 1>money by ship night. But I don't think Snoop even

0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:41.520
<v Speaker 1>lies as well. I don't think he actually says that,

0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:45.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't say anything. Who's here that's gonna do? He

0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:47.440
<v Speaker 1>don't change and there they don't wear anything. I didn't

0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:49.760
<v Speaker 1>try to expose him on telling the lie of about

0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:53.360
<v Speaker 1>and now I'll try to help with it, telling um

0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:58.040
<v Speaker 1>about the story with Pop snoopton told so many different

0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.960
<v Speaker 1>versions on so many different things. Well, I don't know

0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.520
<v Speaker 1>what his agenda is, but he's trying to do a movie,

0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:06.880
<v Speaker 1>and he want to tell the movie his way. Suppose

0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:08.960
<v Speaker 1>you got you gotta tell your own narrative, right, you

0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:11.680
<v Speaker 1>gotta make your own story. You got lied about it though, hell,

0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:14.159
<v Speaker 1>everybody is gonna lie by it ain't. Nobody's gonna tell

0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:18.359
<v Speaker 1>the truth because you gotta get enough story without lying. No, no,

0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:21.000
<v Speaker 1>not wouldn't be one of my favorite artists. He got

0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:24.919
<v Speaker 1>enough enough. He's the greatest hip hop artist ever, no question.

0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:29.640
<v Speaker 1>But everybody wants to make their narrative better than it

0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:35.080
<v Speaker 1>is correct. But to me, like to be honest narrator.

0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:37.800
<v Speaker 1>When I talked to me like he ain't never seen

0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:41.200
<v Speaker 1>a check? How how would matter? How could mac ten

0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:45.160
<v Speaker 1>even think about getting a song saying, there, bro man,

0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:46.680
<v Speaker 1>we would have loved with that to happen. We would

0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:48.280
<v Speaker 1>have pulled that ship off the shells low as it

0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:53.840
<v Speaker 1>happened because number one, we was with priorities still and

0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:55.879
<v Speaker 1>number two, how he gonna do that? We weren't gonna

0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:59.760
<v Speaker 1>sign snoop rights to mac ten? So what made up

0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:01.879
<v Speaker 1>so so they should want to give it to p

0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:04.639
<v Speaker 1>How do anybody then? He didn't care, he was going

0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:08.840
<v Speaker 1>in to give it to Brian at priority. But question,

0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:11.600
<v Speaker 1>could I think his total deal was only like seven

0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:13.639
<v Speaker 1>million dollars and we know he was out there and

0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:16.119
<v Speaker 1>spending all that money on t BOS. So you know

0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:19.199
<v Speaker 1>he didn't have cold up man, my boys spending no

0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:22.440
<v Speaker 1>money on t BOS. Don't my boy all that? Y'all

0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:25.320
<v Speaker 1>know that was out there and hanging there. See, I

0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:27.600
<v Speaker 1>know the real people don't like to hear ready talking

0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:35.479
<v Speaker 1>ready though about everybody wife Kenya. I mean I know

0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:38.640
<v Speaker 1>everybody business because I was in this business back then,

0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:41.760
<v Speaker 1>So they can't. That's why they hit for me to talk.

0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:44.480
<v Speaker 1>That's why it's easier to call me the police. That's

0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:47.359
<v Speaker 1>the police, but the police is running. Yet he was

0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:52.120
<v Speaker 1>around doing stuff back there from nineties six to two

0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:54.840
<v Speaker 1>thousand to two three on the West coast. There wasn't

0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:59.000
<v Speaker 1>nobody and the no better than me because everybody was

0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:01.479
<v Speaker 1>coming because they're row and I was running this jiggles

0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:06.000
<v Speaker 1>in jail. Okay, so hold up, glad, pea pete. So

0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:08.720
<v Speaker 1>this is all I'm trying to say. So everybody was

0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:10.920
<v Speaker 1>coming to tell stuff. I didn't deal with either people

0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:15.119
<v Speaker 1>with Drake stuff and all of them, yallo. In the

0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:18.520
<v Speaker 1>two thousand I've then they had then everybody or you

0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:20.320
<v Speaker 1>had to pin. You had you had the pin. You

0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:22.880
<v Speaker 1>had the pin of all pens at that point exactly

0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:26.400
<v Speaker 1>death row pen go ahead, Pete asking um, and we're

0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:28.960
<v Speaker 1>talking about managing you back then in two thousand seven

0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:36.080
<v Speaker 1>waving mack, waving mack. Yep, yeah, I'll tell you I

0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:41.920
<v Speaker 1>got no bids in two thousand seven. You know, go ahead,

0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:45.480
<v Speaker 1>go ahead, Pete. You're talking about like nine five, right,

0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:51.439
<v Speaker 1>that's with with Snoop getting resigned, right, no, no, no,

0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:56.639
<v Speaker 1>no eight. Snoop went to Master. Yeah, p went to

0:22:56.760 --> 0:23:02.600
<v Speaker 1>he went to their ninety after Doll Father, Yeah, okay,

0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:04.720
<v Speaker 1>I thought that the lag time when he actually signed

0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:06.199
<v Speaker 1>sign of the album got out. I thought it came

0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:07.679
<v Speaker 1>out like ninety seven or something like that, So it

0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:10.080
<v Speaker 1>was like that doll probably came out. That's doll Father. Yeah,

0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:15.000
<v Speaker 1>that was album came out that late. Yes, actually came out.

0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:18.800
<v Speaker 1>It came out in the Yeah, it came out around

0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:22.200
<v Speaker 1>the same time mcafelli came up, and I thought that

0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:24.399
<v Speaker 1>they had released that, like they had the rights to it.

0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Santa claud Oh yeah, yeah yeah, that which is that

0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:30.679
<v Speaker 1>classic hip hop Christmas song, probably the greatest hip hop

0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Christmas song, coming straight to the ghet. Every Christmas time,

0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:42.480
<v Speaker 1>I still bump that song. So we're talking, yeah, we're

0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:46.679
<v Speaker 1>for still negotiating this. Uh yeah, in like ninety seven

0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:49.359
<v Speaker 1>in the night when he was a sign up to

0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:55.040
<v Speaker 1>well actually once again part Priority without I don't want

0:23:55.040 --> 0:24:00.520
<v Speaker 1>to ask the wrong kind of question, but like looking

0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:07.479
<v Speaker 1>at the career arcs of Snoop and Mac, what how's

0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:09.919
<v Speaker 1>Mac making that kind of a play? Well, he had

0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:13.360
<v Speaker 1>to deal. He had Brian kind of deal with Priority. Yeah,

0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Brian already gave him a nice deal. I think he

0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:17.560
<v Speaker 1>got like a seven million dollar album deal. He was

0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:19.800
<v Speaker 1>on all in on Snoop Walkers. The dude named Marvin

0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Watkins was manager Mac ye over in or at Priority Records. Yeah,

0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Brian turn of the year and they got him a deal.

0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:33.639
<v Speaker 1>That's when he had C J. Mack. Yeah, comrades, he

0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:39.359
<v Speaker 1>had eight, he had eight for a record automatic Yeah,

0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:45.040
<v Speaker 1>the Priority at game of deal Yeah yeah, I don't know.

0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:46.960
<v Speaker 1>I just I just looked at the him like, wow,

0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:51.119
<v Speaker 1>got Mac. But he got a nice back. Well no,

0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:56.240
<v Speaker 1>because at that time, huh wouldn't brute no, no, But

0:24:56.400 --> 0:25:05.280
<v Speaker 1>but he had Brian, Brian we my point, he could

0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:07.240
<v Speaker 1>have been given up a million dollars. I can't say,

0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 1>but my point is, if why would he gave a

0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:12.720
<v Speaker 1>million dollars if he couldn't even get get the man

0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:17.680
<v Speaker 1>signed to him. Yeah, I'm saying we was not going

0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:21.080
<v Speaker 1>to authorize the time periods that they were talking. We

0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:23.920
<v Speaker 1>wasn't going to authorize mac ten to get that deal.

0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:26.680
<v Speaker 1>But what I don't want to do rest I don't

0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:30.040
<v Speaker 1>want to talk about because no, no, no, not not

0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:32.919
<v Speaker 1>mac mac macmc guy. That's notes. But I want to

0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:36.280
<v Speaker 1>talk about Shug. What's the most generous thing you've ever

0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:41.320
<v Speaker 1>seen him do? Well, the mothers think the mothers, they think, well,

0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:46.159
<v Speaker 1>that's very generous. That's when he brought everybody mamas. This

0:25:46.280 --> 0:25:48.040
<v Speaker 1>was just thinking. He did this for like two or

0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:50.879
<v Speaker 1>three years in a row, where he brought in the

0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:55.040
<v Speaker 1>Beverly Hills Hotel. Um, it was the most expensive one

0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:57.199
<v Speaker 1>in Beverly Hills at the time. I can't think of

0:25:57.240 --> 0:25:59.639
<v Speaker 1>the name of it right now. But he took everybody

0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:02.600
<v Speaker 1>and had their mama's brought to the hood from UM,

0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:06.320
<v Speaker 1>from the neighborhood and limos and these was mainly and

0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:09.159
<v Speaker 1>his whole thinking was, I mean, we're talking about at

0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:13.920
<v Speaker 1>least two fifty mothers sitting at tables and getting gilts.

0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:22.359
<v Speaker 1>We had Charlie Wilson escape Tupac Hammer. UM. You know,

0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:24.800
<v Speaker 1>he did Charlie Wilson, and I know, not Charlie Wilson,

0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 1>the brothers, Yeah, because you know they loved the old women,

0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:31.639
<v Speaker 1>loved the mother. But his whole thinking was, this is

0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Mother's Day. Most of the mothers don't have anything to do,

0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:38.639
<v Speaker 1>and they're just gonna be sitting at home, man at

0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:40.800
<v Speaker 1>the kids because the daddy's not there, or the daddy's

0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:43.639
<v Speaker 1>in jail or something like that or in prison, and

0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:45.560
<v Speaker 1>he just wanted to show them a good time on

0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Mother's Day. He did that like two or three years.

0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:51.439
<v Speaker 1>We always gave everybody giving our turkeys and Christmas and

0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 1>toys around Christmas time. Always did that. We'll be at

0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:57.959
<v Speaker 1>the mall, and whenever we go to the mall, everybody

0:26:58.000 --> 0:26:59.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, hitting up buying the tennant shoes and stuff

0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:02.600
<v Speaker 1>like that. See some little kids walking around, help them

0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:05.600
<v Speaker 1>take off their shoes, but then't pair of shoes. I

0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:08.000
<v Speaker 1>have been with you. What people don't call Like I said,

0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 1>if you get to him, that was the problem was

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:12.639
<v Speaker 1>getting to him. But when artists get got to him

0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:16.000
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. They always had a problem or always needed something.

0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:18.200
<v Speaker 1>And now ain't talking about the big name martist because

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:21.600
<v Speaker 1>they had their monthly low past fifty coming in and

0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:25.560
<v Speaker 1>I think park deal was seventy five dollars monthly. That's

0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:27.560
<v Speaker 1>what they had, you know, towards the end when everything

0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:32.080
<v Speaker 1>was rolling to but even prior to that, you know,

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:35.600
<v Speaker 1>when you need money and stuff like that, they always

0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:38.680
<v Speaker 1>had it. Everybody always had a story and you got

0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:41.440
<v Speaker 1>it whenever you got to him and told him your story.

0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:44.640
<v Speaker 1>It was always I was walking one day was when

0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Dad's when he was in prison, and and and that's

0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:49.840
<v Speaker 1>they give me the phone, let me talk to him.

0:27:50.000 --> 0:27:52.040
<v Speaker 1>He told me, he said, she I need some money.

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:54.720
<v Speaker 1>She told me to cut jazz and check on hunting

0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:59.480
<v Speaker 1>found out. I mean we're talking like prisons or stuff

0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:05.040
<v Speaker 1>like that. Whenever artists asked for something, they always get it.

0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:07.600
<v Speaker 1>People always say, well, it was the cars in the

0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:11.240
<v Speaker 1>houses and this one's in their names. Who owned a penhouse?

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Who owned cars? Back then? Did you want to god

0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:21.040
<v Speaker 1>THEMN ninety seventh car? Seven car? You know in two

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:24.200
<v Speaker 1>thousand one, two thousand and two, everybody was doing Lisa's

0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:27.280
<v Speaker 1>Lisa New. Then youre Lisa Car for three or four

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:30.560
<v Speaker 1>years because you wanted a new one, wanted brand new,

0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:33.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean to keep with your name was a classic

0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:37.239
<v Speaker 1>or you know, some motorcycles and stuff like that. So

0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:39.440
<v Speaker 1>he didn't even own none of the cars that he had.

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 1>He was releasing cars. Why would you Well that was

0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:47.920
<v Speaker 1>you know. But everybody now was saying, well, none of that.

0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:50.440
<v Speaker 1>We find out nothing, but we can't. But we can't.

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:52.960
<v Speaker 1>But we can't get into the conversation where people are

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:56.680
<v Speaker 1>trying to make you know, him look bad, because it's ridiculous.

0:28:57.680 --> 0:28:59.800
<v Speaker 1>He didn't do this, He didn't do that. Nothing. Nothing

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:03.840
<v Speaker 1>is in their name, you know, the didn't nobody now

0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:08.400
<v Speaker 1>name uh the Tooco Lake House, the snoopand was in

0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:11.680
<v Speaker 1>his name the house and Clarmont or Roby or whatever

0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:13.960
<v Speaker 1>it is. He still got that house that's in his name.

0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:18.080
<v Speaker 1>That was his name. Personally, every time I talked to Dog,

0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 1>he ain't never had nothing bad to say about ship,

0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:22.200
<v Speaker 1>And I think those will be the time. So I

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 1>really judge people conversation and what they say to me personally,

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:28.560
<v Speaker 1>because they feel like it's somebody that I know, they're

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:31.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna tell me what they really think. I think everybody

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:34.440
<v Speaker 1>outside of me has this public image of what it's

0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:37.040
<v Speaker 1>only a couple of people. I think is as advertised

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:39.200
<v Speaker 1>where I see him and I feel like too Short

0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:41.600
<v Speaker 1>is somebody that's on an off camera the same person

0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:44.280
<v Speaker 1>you mean, iced T. I get the same vibe no

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:47.000
<v Speaker 1>matter who I'm in front of. Um Snoop is one

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 1>of those people. To me, when I talked to him,

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:53.280
<v Speaker 1>I get this real, honest version of him. And for

0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 1>him not to smart out dog like sugar in front

0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:58.400
<v Speaker 1>of me told me everything I needed to know. You

0:29:58.400 --> 0:30:00.480
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, like funk all of the ship

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:03.400
<v Speaker 1>to the fans or you know, how you marketing yourself.

0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:06.480
<v Speaker 1>The reality was he's always been like grateful to me.

0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:08.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's always been like you know when you

0:30:08.920 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 1>go back to the earlier stories of changing his name,

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:13.600
<v Speaker 1>when you go back to the earlier stories of understanding

0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:16.640
<v Speaker 1>how to dress them, like the thing that makes record

0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:19.640
<v Speaker 1>labels great And this is from just studying and you know,

0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 1>outside looking in you ask somebody that's really great with

0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 1>records and somebody really great with vision. And to me,

0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Shil death Row is the greatest hip hop label of

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:32.240
<v Speaker 1>all time because they had the greatest or they created,

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 1>They created the greatest renaissance and arts. To me, like

0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:37.920
<v Speaker 1>when you've seen the cultural phenomenon that was death Row,

0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 1>it was the centerpiece of the most contagious black culture

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:45.000
<v Speaker 1>in the history of black culture. Like, there's nothing more

0:30:45.040 --> 0:30:49.200
<v Speaker 1>global than the lifestyle we live in Los Angeles, You

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? No matter where you go, you

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 1>could talk to the most whitest white person, they're gonna

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:55.800
<v Speaker 1>know about the culture that is cripping. They ain't gonna

0:30:55.800 --> 0:30:58.240
<v Speaker 1>know everything, but they're gonna know crips where blue and

0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 1>bloods were red. So for them to be the centerpiece

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:04.800
<v Speaker 1>of that renaissance of that much truth, because it's all

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:06.520
<v Speaker 1>the truth, they didn't have to put nothing on it.

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:11.120
<v Speaker 1>The lifestyle was obvious. So for Shulged to understand visually

0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:13.800
<v Speaker 1>and to have the vision to say, this is what

0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:17.760
<v Speaker 1>I need to present, right, that was so important, Like

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:19.760
<v Speaker 1>you got Dre doing the record, but you have Sugar

0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:26.560
<v Speaker 1>with the vision. Should knew what it needed. Brilliant, unbelievable

0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 1>quick question. I think I remember it accurately. But there

0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 1>was there was like some civil settlement or litigation was

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:40.080
<v Speaker 1>between Dads and Sugar, and I thought it came out

0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:46.880
<v Speaker 1>to damage it to million dollars to dad. Doesn't make sense.

0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 1>What happened there? Now, this is what happened. Should what

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:55.520
<v Speaker 1>happened is to be honest, old publishing. I gave Dad

0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:00.760
<v Speaker 1>and brought all of his publishing and everything that was

0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 1>on to him by death row. If you ever look

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:05.959
<v Speaker 1>up a company called Simon says Music Polishing, you know

0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:09.400
<v Speaker 1>that it's a lot of deals. But that's after the fact.

0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:14.200
<v Speaker 1>That's like in two thousand when I was paying all

0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:16.800
<v Speaker 1>of the artists and buying them and buying there where

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 1>they don't get any more money, where they just sold

0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 1>it over and turned it over to me. That's another story.

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:26.880
<v Speaker 1>But then there was a separation between Sugar and I Should,

0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:30.400
<v Speaker 1>so he didn't know about a lot of the deals

0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 1>that I was doing, or hand forgot about them. So

0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 1>people started going sewing and putting in claims and all

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 1>of that. So Dad's heard about Kreop getting kicked getting

0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:44.680
<v Speaker 1>released from his deal by folling for bankruptcy. So Dad's

0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:46.760
<v Speaker 1>when to try to hidle the attorneys and do some

0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Philadelphia or something like that and try to go to

0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:54.880
<v Speaker 1>the same route with your should got the default judgments,

0:32:56.000 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 1>he started just not going to court and stop dealing

0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:01.040
<v Speaker 1>with stuff. While that's what happened to the Game, that's

0:33:01.040 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 1>what happened to Game in his case, he didn't go

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:05.600
<v Speaker 1>to court on that girl, and that girl wanted judgment

0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:09.280
<v Speaker 1>of like some real millions too. Michael Harrio got the

0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:12.600
<v Speaker 1>judgment for hundred seven million dollars. It wasn't that the

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:16.400
<v Speaker 1>judge bil he old or or or he was right.

0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:19.800
<v Speaker 1>It was just because they got tired of shoged not

0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:21.920
<v Speaker 1>disrespecting the courts. They were telling me me, you need

0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:24.080
<v Speaker 1>to turn over just turn over that, and he just

0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:28.520
<v Speaker 1>like said it and didn't care. And so Jazz got

0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:34.960
<v Speaker 1>a a default judgment against you. Just like hereo, Harry

0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:37.880
<v Speaker 1>ain't chested a penny off of that. Dads ain't touch

0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:43.280
<v Speaker 1>a penny either. But Dad has been receiving royalty checks

0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 1>from whatever they're stating everything paidal because I ain't throw

0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:49.640
<v Speaker 1>that paperwork in their face. Shot. But as soon as

0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:52.000
<v Speaker 1>I get back healthy, I had been okay. The reason

0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:54.600
<v Speaker 1>I haven't did any of the paperwork because number one,

0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:57.600
<v Speaker 1>it was a big old death row bankruptcy hearing that

0:33:57.720 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 1>went down. Guess who was the face of most of

0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:03.560
<v Speaker 1>the stuff. I had a two million dollar house out

0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 1>and uh in Corona that they were trying to take.

0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:09.319
<v Speaker 1>And you know here you are trying to say that

0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:12.120
<v Speaker 1>we shill house and all of that, which I had

0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:13.880
<v Speaker 1>to prove that wasn't your house. So I had to

0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:17.400
<v Speaker 1>go and make a deal with with the bankruptcy attorneys.

0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:21.879
<v Speaker 1>I had a building on Walshire that was in my name,

0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:25.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, deathrol offices that I had paid three million dollars.

0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:28.400
<v Speaker 1>I got paperwork where I got chilled, you know, our

0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:31.200
<v Speaker 1>refinances and my name and everything, and was able to

0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:34.360
<v Speaker 1>give him three million dollars. But I didn't want to

0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:36.719
<v Speaker 1>take that fight on because I knew I didn't do

0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:39.360
<v Speaker 1>stuff right. Most of the deposits and all of that

0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:44.000
<v Speaker 1>did come from death row, so I didn't ever uh

0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:47.080
<v Speaker 1>make the claims that I should. But now that the

0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:50.720
<v Speaker 1>bankruptcy is over, I'll be out of trouble about another

0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:54.200
<v Speaker 1>six day months. You're gonna be seeing Reggie right going

0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:56.560
<v Speaker 1>and collecting a lot of money that's been old toy

0:34:56.920 --> 0:35:01.400
<v Speaker 1>since about two thousand four two. Because I still have

0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:04.160
<v Speaker 1>all the paperwork saying that all these people that did

0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:07.040
<v Speaker 1>buy outs for me, they which I think they don't

0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:11.000
<v Speaker 1>forgot about, but they ain't forgot about it. What do

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:13.520
<v Speaker 1>you think is that most under stuff like judgments and

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 1>all of that came out, you know, was able to

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:21.320
<v Speaker 1>get but nobody's got paid anything because of the bankruptcy. Nobody.

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 1>What's the moment? I mean that was the dad's talking

0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:26.440
<v Speaker 1>about his whole cop. Yeah, he was about some tiny

0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:29.040
<v Speaker 1>little farmhouse in Mississippi. I'm like, that must be in

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:35.200
<v Speaker 1>some oil and mama house. MoMA out there with his mother. Now,

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:36.759
<v Speaker 1>he'd tell you he went out there to take care

0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:40.640
<v Speaker 1>of her and all of that. Okay, Dad, What what's

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:43.839
<v Speaker 1>the most misunderstood thing about mom? Just want to stay?

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:47.320
<v Speaker 1>There's mom recently passed the way I believe? Yeah, I know,

0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:57.399
<v Speaker 1>nobody mother love one dying to Yeah. Yeah, y'all made

0:35:57.400 --> 0:36:01.680
<v Speaker 1>too much history of even speak. That was times. Um,

0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:05.080
<v Speaker 1>What what's the most misunderstood thing about Should? Like, You've

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:07.920
<v Speaker 1>been fucking with do since I was little kids, So

0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 1>what's the most misunderstood? That's easy that he just became

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:16.959
<v Speaker 1>a bullet once he got older, are are are started

0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:21.480
<v Speaker 1>making money. Should was the same way he was when

0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 1>he didn't have no money, but was in high school

0:36:23.880 --> 0:36:26.759
<v Speaker 1>and going like that. I always lied about how many

0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:30.400
<v Speaker 1>girls do you have? Now? This thing? Hack? I was

0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:35.319
<v Speaker 1>with shild probably from until he went to prison, and

0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:36.640
<v Speaker 1>then a bout the year or two after he got

0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:39.640
<v Speaker 1>out of prison. And I've seen that they sleep alone

0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 1>one or two times. And that was in Rochester. It

0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:47.040
<v Speaker 1>wasn't in Rochester. I keep saying Rochester. But we went

0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:50.200
<v Speaker 1>to visit Casey and Joe Joe in North Carolina on

0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:52.760
<v Speaker 1>like a Monday or Tuesday. And if y'all know anything

0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:56.040
<v Speaker 1>about the Bible belts and ship opened on no Monday

0:36:56.040 --> 0:37:00.759
<v Speaker 1>on Tuesday's house? And what was in our Caroline? And

0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:04.960
<v Speaker 1>we couldn't find no females nowhere. They didn't know what

0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:07.959
<v Speaker 1>the strip clubs was for a Monday two They're like, hey,

0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:11.719
<v Speaker 1>nothing open out here in the ninth early nineties in

0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:14.680
<v Speaker 1>North Carolina. Go ahead, the question for you Ridge, what

0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:17.520
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about? Girls? Um? What was going on with

0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Mary J. Blass? She was up there, she was managing

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:22.640
<v Speaker 1>her at one point she was managing her. He had

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:26.560
<v Speaker 1>this attorney named Paul Marshall that in New York that

0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:28.880
<v Speaker 1>he had dealing with a lot of the paperwork. But

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:32.880
<v Speaker 1>he had Andre Horrell and everybody thinks Puffy, but Puffy

0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:36.000
<v Speaker 1>was just really an A and R guy, our producer

0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:39.440
<v Speaker 1>for them. But Andre Horrell with is turning how he

0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:43.000
<v Speaker 1>started working for Puffy later on in life but the

0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:46.640
<v Speaker 1>same people, they say, the same people. They say, be

0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:48.839
<v Speaker 1>careful with how you deal with the people when you're

0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:50.680
<v Speaker 1>coming up, because they be the same people you see

0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:55.720
<v Speaker 1>coming down. So yeah, for sure, like Puff became Harrel

0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:58.799
<v Speaker 1>was dope too. I mean, Harrella is heavy d I

0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:00.840
<v Speaker 1>mean just studying him, he was a cold person, but

0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:03.520
<v Speaker 1>then he did end up working for Puff. It's crazy

0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:06.320
<v Speaker 1>how these brothers, like, right, whether it's a brother like Shug,

0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:10.160
<v Speaker 1>whether Puff, Horrel, these brothers come in and make these

0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:15.680
<v Speaker 1>companies millions, like creatively millions of dollars, and then like

0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:18.399
<v Speaker 1>get to a space to where even somebody like IRV

0:38:18.480 --> 0:38:21.320
<v Speaker 1>got he has no value where Like how how doesn't

0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:24.200
<v Speaker 1>he have a job, a multimillion dollar job with his

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:27.319
<v Speaker 1>brain at a label. How is it somebody like Shig

0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:30.600
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have a multimillion dollar Like they're hiring these motherfucker's

0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:34.080
<v Speaker 1>who don't know nothing about marketing or records. They just

0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:37.440
<v Speaker 1>straight bottom line guys. And that's you know when you

0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:42.760
<v Speaker 1>start thinking about they might always tell still yeah where alone,

0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:47.000
<v Speaker 1>remember they started they were the first three him Jay Princeton,

0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:53.719
<v Speaker 1>and they started talking about that black distributions. Yeah, the

0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:57.960
<v Speaker 1>niggas got fair cases, immediate league and labeled snatched the Metium.

0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:02.280
<v Speaker 1>All them niggas got FAED cases at the same fucking

0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:05.000
<v Speaker 1>And it's funny because let me let me just share this.

0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:08.160
<v Speaker 1>It was an interview right with a little rat boy

0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:12.759
<v Speaker 1>from New York, um Snitch nine, right where he was.

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:16.279
<v Speaker 1>Um he was doing an interview before the Breakfast club. Right,

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:19.520
<v Speaker 1>this is before anybody knew about the police anything, like

0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:22.239
<v Speaker 1>nobody's post that new nothing. And he's talking and they

0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:26.279
<v Speaker 1>asking me this nigga had been the most bravado motherfucker

0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:28.759
<v Speaker 1>in every interview he gets up there and he like,

0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:30.760
<v Speaker 1>what's your worst fees? Like oh man getting the federal

0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:33.840
<v Speaker 1>indictment and bobs like he just started talking about it

0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:36.799
<v Speaker 1>out of nowhere, right, and I'm listening to him, I'm like,

0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:39.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, something up with this nigga, Like this nigga

0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:42.320
<v Speaker 1>don't even seem like himself, like right, he cared for

0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:46.640
<v Speaker 1>what he says. I genuinely believe a lot of those

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:50.000
<v Speaker 1>high level guys at these labels, like let's say Lucien's

0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:53.279
<v Speaker 1>son like Elliott, Right, why would the fans not reach

0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:55.799
<v Speaker 1>out to these guys? So the fans could reach out

0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:58.120
<v Speaker 1>to these guys and say, hey, we we got a

0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:01.200
<v Speaker 1>case going against these guys artists in the way. Right,

0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:03.399
<v Speaker 1>this is a valuable artist, or he's a white artist

0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:06.279
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. Right, Okay, you need to move him out

0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:08.920
<v Speaker 1>of the way. If that call could happen right, which

0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:10.560
<v Speaker 1>it had to, because he knew what was going on.

0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:12.640
<v Speaker 1>They reached out to the little white man, and they

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:15.399
<v Speaker 1>reached out to him. What's so hard to believe that

0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:18.240
<v Speaker 1>they can't reach back to the fans and create cases.

0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:21.759
<v Speaker 1>J Prince, Suge Knight and Earth got it all, got

0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:25.720
<v Speaker 1>a fucking federal case right around the same fucking time,

0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:28.440
<v Speaker 1>and Sugar and Jay Prince, I mean Earth and J

0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:32.760
<v Speaker 1>Prince beat there's yeah, who the funk beats? The fans

0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:35.160
<v Speaker 1>should be there. The only thing we got all the

0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:39.000
<v Speaker 1>two case was a misdemeanor filling into filled taxas three

0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:41.440
<v Speaker 1>and so you three and against fifth res. We don't

0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 1>know niggas three and against the Fez and we know

0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:44.520
<v Speaker 1>a group of niggas that went to the fans, and

0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:46.279
<v Speaker 1>we don't know niggas three and no. So that lets

0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:48.640
<v Speaker 1>you know that a lot of the energy that was

0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:51.640
<v Speaker 1>coming their way was made to tain them, and none

0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:53.880
<v Speaker 1>of them been able to get back in the building

0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 1>after after that, how could three of the best urban

0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:02.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, more keetting minds and hip hop we saw

0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:05.880
<v Speaker 1>it happened to Spreewell, right, that did happen to Spreewell

0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:11.279
<v Speaker 1>once they put their heads against you and black ball you. Sorry, Peter,

0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:13.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm about to say the white boys as a mother

0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 1>of you know, you know they were they have black

0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:21.840
<v Speaker 1>ball you. They got here getting wrote about and the

0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:24.000
<v Speaker 1>stuff that we had learned about. We know it's getting

0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:26.760
<v Speaker 1>fired by Jimmy I Bean to the to the government.

0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Great Katings and I Grant Katings told me that he

0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:36.480
<v Speaker 1>was setting over to Jimmy I Beans at a fucking

0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:41.360
<v Speaker 1>Halloween party before we got before she got popped or

0:41:41.360 --> 0:41:45.640
<v Speaker 1>before they started investigating us and the Halloween party of

0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:51.160
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy I Been mm hmm, mean that they had contact him.

0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:53.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they had a relationship part of that,

0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:56.400
<v Speaker 1>but they had contacted him. But think about it. If

0:41:56.440 --> 0:41:59.120
<v Speaker 1>she could have a relationship with you, because y'all grew

0:41:59.200 --> 0:42:02.319
<v Speaker 1>up together, something where alone aligne y'all crossing at that point,

0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:05.120
<v Speaker 1>you were an authority figure at that time. Why would

0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:07.960
<v Speaker 1>them why would them white folks not have somebody that's

0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:10.440
<v Speaker 1>a federal agent that they grew up with somewhere, and

0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:13.600
<v Speaker 1>somehow it's it makes no sense when you think about

0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:16.520
<v Speaker 1>all three of them got fair cases, and they went

0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:19.239
<v Speaker 1>three and the fans went oh and three against them.

0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:21.839
<v Speaker 1>The fans don't lose k who the fun The fans

0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:24.279
<v Speaker 1>don't lose cases. They didn't have them. They just had

0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:27.960
<v Speaker 1>to break them down. Don't spend that money, tournish their name,

0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:30.880
<v Speaker 1>and tournish other people from dealing with him. Was it

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:34.360
<v Speaker 1>all in Southern District of New York? We were in

0:42:34.600 --> 0:42:39.600
<v Speaker 1>l A l A question And I'm sorry you're not

0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:43.239
<v Speaker 1>to cutting nobody off, but you know Dr Dre was

0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:46.360
<v Speaker 1>a really big central piece to Death Row. He was

0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:49.759
<v Speaker 1>the production. Yeah, how did should let him go? What

0:42:49.880 --> 0:42:55.080
<v Speaker 1>happened with that? Well, let's call a female I use

0:42:55.120 --> 0:42:59.239
<v Speaker 1>another term, but I don't be nice today. But so

0:42:59.320 --> 0:43:01.839
<v Speaker 1>you really think death Row fell apart over a bit

0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:05.960
<v Speaker 1>that was the That was the camel that broke the

0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 1>straw back when he found out that his partner what

0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:15.200
<v Speaker 1>sucking his baby mama. I'm not saying that he was

0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:17.960
<v Speaker 1>a low wood or anything, because he wasn't sure, but

0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:23.319
<v Speaker 1>that all the things that it went down I heard

0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:26.080
<v Speaker 1>him to the core. He won't admit it. She don't

0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:29.879
<v Speaker 1>want to admit it, but I was around. I saw it.

0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:32.640
<v Speaker 1>You think it should could do stuff different again, he

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:34.680
<v Speaker 1>would have lifted. He didn't want He didn't want Drake

0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:37.800
<v Speaker 1>on even though he got I mean, the company probably

0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 1>was only worth a hundred and fifty million at the

0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:42.279
<v Speaker 1>time because the podcast blew up like it like he

0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:45.360
<v Speaker 1>did Jack, but he didn't want Park. I mean, he

0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:49.719
<v Speaker 1>didn't want Drake gone. When Drey left, he wasn't for that.

0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:54.719
<v Speaker 1>It's just Dre was just like I gotta go. Like

0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy played on both sides of the fish. Jimmy no, no,

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy just was filitated the deal to keep everybody he had.

0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:05.759
<v Speaker 1>He has to. He has to. You can't let you

0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:08.200
<v Speaker 1>can't let the vision go or the records go. You

0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:12.280
<v Speaker 1>have to figure out how to make both people happy. Flocked,

0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Drey was finding people like King. He tried. He tried

0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:19.920
<v Speaker 1>to go away from Gagster Rap for a while. Yeah,

0:44:20.000 --> 0:44:24.000
<v Speaker 1>he were doing been there who done that? Yeah, he

0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:28.400
<v Speaker 1>tried to go away from Gaster Rap. Drey was twenty

0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:33.320
<v Speaker 1>one million dollars unrecouped at one time, had a downside

0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:35.919
<v Speaker 1>from his house and move to a little little spot

0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:38.320
<v Speaker 1>in wool And Hills. I mean he was still It

0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:41.080
<v Speaker 1>was a two million dollars he had to move from

0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:42.880
<v Speaker 1>he had, he had, he had a lot of He

0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:44.360
<v Speaker 1>had a lot to figure out, and he had to

0:44:44.360 --> 0:44:48.399
<v Speaker 1>go back to the original formula. He had had expeditions

0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:50.719
<v Speaker 1>for everybody and the staff. He had to turn all

0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:54.319
<v Speaker 1>those there. Dre and then went through stuff. Yeah, guess

0:44:54.360 --> 0:45:00.600
<v Speaker 1>who came and save me? Emmael Eminel came in saying,

0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:04.600
<v Speaker 1>I remember that, and Dre told me that before he

0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:08.239
<v Speaker 1>told me about Eminem and Jimmy brought him. Eminem was

0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:12.239
<v Speaker 1>like Jimmy. Jimmy said, you know Eminem, Dra told me that.

0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:16.320
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy d told me Jimmy one of the one of them.

0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:20.440
<v Speaker 1>Eminem gave Dean and the credit. He's the one that

0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:23.799
<v Speaker 1>brought and told them about the kid him. Yeah, what

0:45:23.840 --> 0:45:26.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Jimmy is the one who Convincedre to work

0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:28.160
<v Speaker 1>on it, because I don't think Dre initially wanted to

0:45:28.160 --> 0:45:31.520
<v Speaker 1>work on it. That's what he told him. I make

0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:33.960
<v Speaker 1>him get you some money because he was coming. Four

0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:36.279
<v Speaker 1>of the bands and you know, the dragon some money.

0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:38.279
<v Speaker 1>But see what you can do with this artist right here,

0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:42.680
<v Speaker 1>and he threw the demo to him. Yeah, I think,

0:45:42.320 --> 0:45:46.400
<v Speaker 1>I think, Um, Jimmy, I've told me this himself, but

0:45:46.440 --> 0:45:48.239
<v Speaker 1>I think, but I think every last person knows the

0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:51.160
<v Speaker 1>story to be true, like and I think Drey so Drake. Again,

0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:55.520
<v Speaker 1>the conversations I have with certain legends is honest. For

0:45:55.600 --> 0:45:59.319
<v Speaker 1>some reason, they feel like I just quick or the

0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:02.279
<v Speaker 1>only two than and like that drama Yeah yeah yeah,

0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:06.080
<v Speaker 1>um DJ Quicker, the two that hated the atmosphere that

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:08.239
<v Speaker 1>was around there for am. But but you gotta but

0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:12.000
<v Speaker 1>you gotta think orically when the vision and the records,

0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:14.400
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean part it is usually the

0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:16.960
<v Speaker 1>end of a label. Remember when hit Men, when the

0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:19.239
<v Speaker 1>hit Man fell out with Puff, that was over beat

0:46:19.320 --> 0:46:21.120
<v Speaker 1>by the Palm fell out with Pe. It was over

0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:24.240
<v Speaker 1>Actually was funny. It's being signed the cash Money Records

0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:28.640
<v Speaker 1>right when Manny Fresh left. It was tough because bird

0:46:28.719 --> 0:46:31.319
<v Speaker 1>knew exactly what I needed. He Birdman would say, damn,

0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:32.600
<v Speaker 1>I need to get your record. I need to get

0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:35.320
<v Speaker 1>you another record. But remember at that one time, he

0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:37.760
<v Speaker 1>didn't have to go find a record, just like should

0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:40.239
<v Speaker 1>didn't have to go find a record. You know you

0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:42.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna turn right to Dre and say, hey, man, what

0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:44.560
<v Speaker 1>do you guy for? Pope? You got something for pocket.

0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Here's here's Pot's greatest record of all time at some

0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:52.080
<v Speaker 1>place right, here's Snoop's greatest record. Same thing with master

0:46:52.200 --> 0:46:54.640
<v Speaker 1>p right where he would go to be I mean, uh,

0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:58.040
<v Speaker 1>birdman would go to Manny Fresh Fresh give me something.

0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:01.600
<v Speaker 1>So when the vision Hutch from the bubb the law

0:47:02.160 --> 0:47:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Hutch and and Dre, I mean, Dad, they did all

0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:10.720
<v Speaker 1>the Dre groundwork back in the day. He was a close.

0:47:11.239 --> 0:47:14.359
<v Speaker 1>But that's but that's the key, and and and and

0:47:14.600 --> 0:47:16.320
<v Speaker 1>and it takes a lot, you know a lot of people.

0:47:16.440 --> 0:47:18.359
<v Speaker 1>Right now, what's wrong with the West Coast music scene

0:47:18.360 --> 0:47:21.560
<v Speaker 1>is there's no closers closer. It's it's it's niggas as

0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:25.680
<v Speaker 1>pitching in. It's the only closer is probably must we

0:47:25.800 --> 0:47:30.960
<v Speaker 1>call them beat makers. Yeah, I'll call them programmers program

0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:34.080
<v Speaker 1>now because now because now they're on the computer and

0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:37.880
<v Speaker 1>the programming ideas. But I and I was telling somebody

0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:39.799
<v Speaker 1>because they was telling me about the whole Dash and

0:47:40.000 --> 0:47:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Dass making beasts for Dre, and I'm like, look, bro,

0:47:42.680 --> 0:47:45.319
<v Speaker 1>somebody could put up four walls in the room, right

0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:48.200
<v Speaker 1>and they could do a decent job before walls. Dre

0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:52.560
<v Speaker 1>coming at motherfucker cuz and add crown molding, baseboard, changed

0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:56.080
<v Speaker 1>the face plates, changed the outlets, texture the walls. So

0:47:56.120 --> 0:47:59.120
<v Speaker 1>when you see the room, anybody could buy the room.

0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Now that's no introspect to nobody else. It's it's not

0:48:02.120 --> 0:48:06.440
<v Speaker 1>about that, It's about this is what makes Dre great? Correct,

0:48:06.560 --> 0:48:08.480
<v Speaker 1>and he finished. That's the one thing I can't think.

0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Warren is a great finisher. Battle Cat finished well, but

0:48:13.000 --> 0:48:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Dre is. If if I knew baseball, I would talk

0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:19.000
<v Speaker 1>about who the great is Mario Marianna Rivera, who was

0:48:19.000 --> 0:48:24.120
<v Speaker 1>the greatest closer of our time? Right, So Drake could

0:48:24.120 --> 0:48:27.440
<v Speaker 1>finish everything. So, but the point I was saying is

0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:31.080
<v Speaker 1>when the vision in the in the records part ways,

0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:37.000
<v Speaker 1>that's when the true dilemma starts. Correct, you know what

0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:40.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, That's when the dilemma starts. So, um, we

0:48:40.960 --> 0:48:44.919
<v Speaker 1>should so I saw that. So you're saying the most

0:48:44.960 --> 0:48:47.080
<v Speaker 1>misunders to the part was the fact that you felt

0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:51.239
<v Speaker 1>people didn't think he had holds. No. Well, you know,

0:48:51.640 --> 0:48:53.200
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't just that. I was just saying the type

0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:55.480
<v Speaker 1>of person he was, They only give him credit for

0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:58.239
<v Speaker 1>being that type of person when he got money and

0:48:58.239 --> 0:49:00.239
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, and all I'm just saying at the

0:49:00.280 --> 0:49:03.799
<v Speaker 1>same attitude and the mindset that I knew the same

0:49:03.800 --> 0:49:06.320
<v Speaker 1>shig when he had money when he didn't have money,

0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:10.520
<v Speaker 1>with the same sugar. In my opinion, mm hmm it riggs.

0:49:10.600 --> 0:49:11.799
<v Speaker 1>Let me you know, I want to go back to

0:49:11.840 --> 0:49:16.360
<v Speaker 1>marry j Plush was her and should messing around. She

0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:19.200
<v Speaker 1>was missing with somebody up the doing well. Danny Boy

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<v Speaker 1>said that he was messing winner and and um Tupac

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<v Speaker 1>she was woman. I'm gonna say this, and I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>feel bad about saying this. Why the fund did y'all

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<v Speaker 1>sign Danny Boy? That was before I got there. But

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<v Speaker 1>he was a sixteen year old guy that could sing,

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<v Speaker 1>and they should should. Unfortunately, she should going to use

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<v Speaker 1>him to do remakes that he used to love from

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<v Speaker 1>ods and stuff like that. And so that's why he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get the chance that he he deserved because we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't need him because meaning they dog of all times,

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<v Speaker 1>but they needed and R B singer and he was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get an R and B singer And I

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<v Speaker 1>respect that. I think when I looked at Sugar, I

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<v Speaker 1>could tell he he looked at Barry Gordy a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>and I could tell R and B was a big

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<v Speaker 1>thing for death Row at his inception. Even before probably

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<v Speaker 1>death Row, he still wanted to have a hip hop

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<v Speaker 1>department in the R and B. I could tell how

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<v Speaker 1>closely he was always fucking with, Like who asked David

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<v Speaker 1>Ruffin Jr. Somewhere around this motherfucker who got Casey and Joe?

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<v Speaker 1>Joe who got you know? He had all the best

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<v Speaker 1>R and B singers around, He just never got a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to launch that part of the label. He went

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<v Speaker 1>back and got Christopher Willes. People don't know that dreaming.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't don't don't, don't, Yeah, don't, don't wake me. I'm drinking. Wow.