Speaker 1: So Ri's um, so okay, you're in the bed and ship.
Speaker 1: That's I've seen all your other interviews, nikked you was
Speaker 1: just sitting up just fresh and ship and all that.
Speaker 1: You just how you kind of gotta relax for a
Speaker 1: while when you kind of recovery. Yeah, that's how I
Speaker 1: being when I'm in the bed. You know, when I've
Speaker 1: been doing the olier, the viewers they were get me
Speaker 1: a little bed and helping me, and I was sitting
Speaker 1: in a wheelchair quite frankly, or you know, got put
Speaker 1: in a chair. But you know, I just said the
Speaker 1: last minute, you know, said I come on and you know,
Speaker 1: get some love and and I appreciate you like this.
Speaker 1: So is it more like under shame in my situation?
Speaker 1: Share ain't nothing to be ashigned up? Is it? Is
Speaker 1: it more of a core like your core kind of
Speaker 1: where you're sitting up. It's like a little tougher. You
Speaker 1: gotta start my core strong? Is this for standard? I
Speaker 1: just can't standard because my core got weak from laying up,
Speaker 1: you know, eight eight and nine months, and so I
Speaker 1: getting my core and my stomach and everything in the
Speaker 1: middle back strong. That's right, that's right. On no sellings,
Speaker 1: gl my boy peev back in the spin is not
Speaker 1: p what's up? Feel mean? We're in here. I got
Speaker 1: my big brother and manager still somebody dm me still
Speaker 1: right and they were asking about the conversation with Scottie
Speaker 1: Pippen and they was like, man, it's still gonna be
Speaker 1: on there again. I was like no. He was like good.
Speaker 1: He was like good. I was like, what's funny to me?
Speaker 1: Is I think it's because so we did a conversation
Speaker 1: right about selling soul and still sound like the devil red?
Speaker 1: Here's what you tripping forward? Okay, hold up? Hold up?
Speaker 1: And we got to guess in the spot my O G.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like Pops gave me a
Speaker 1: good look when I was a kid. We never even
Speaker 1: talked about it, fear me. So there's a lot of
Speaker 1: respect for his name with me, you feel me? And
Speaker 1: what he was able to do for the record with
Speaker 1: that pretty much changed the music industry. My boy Reggie right,
Speaker 1: I said, with it, O J, what up? What up
Speaker 1: blasting a loan man doing today? Motherfucking Still still he
Speaker 1: was on you though he was on steale ass. He
Speaker 1: was like, man, I'm nick trying to get you to
Speaker 1: sell your soul. He didn't even say nothing about Peter.
Speaker 1: I think it's accepted when white people sell out, they
Speaker 1: expect you know what. The thing with these fans, though, man,
Speaker 1: these people listen to these podcasts if they take everything
Speaker 1: so literally, Man, everything with them is literal, like like
Speaker 1: they don't know, they don't know the artist. Just motherfucker
Speaker 1: being sarcastic, you know what I mean, Just being sarcastic.
Speaker 1: But how do you feel that way? If somebody are
Speaker 1: from you a bunch of money that um to make
Speaker 1: a malt liquor, why not take it? Okay? So if
Speaker 1: somebody somebody wanted me to ask you this, they said,
Speaker 1: how much money would you want to sell your soul? Well,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't sell my soul. If it was the sex thing.
Speaker 1: If you could literally make a deal with the definiten
Speaker 1: to sell your soul, I wouldn't do it. I can't
Speaker 1: sell my soul. I can't sell my eternity. That would
Speaker 1: be stupid, Peter. You ever, back in the day, there
Speaker 1: was there was people who are selling their souls on
Speaker 1: the Craigslist. Remember that that's the real thing. What would
Speaker 1: you take for yourself, Peter, I don't know. Depends on
Speaker 1: depends on what I need that day. When you make
Speaker 1: a deal with the devil, bro, it's gonna be some
Speaker 1: trickery because I'd be the type of motherfucker with my
Speaker 1: luck I sell my soul and get hit by a
Speaker 1: car as soon as I walked outside of some ship.
Speaker 1: Like I'm saying, no, but what if I wanted to
Speaker 1: buy yourself? You couldn't buy my soul, Bro, I couldn't
Speaker 1: my soul. Red selling your soul and you tell letting
Speaker 1: NICs in your comments to eat a dick? Redd? Would
Speaker 1: you tell yourself do you believe in souls? Ridge work?
Speaker 1: Because I'm I think like Norman, as soon as I
Speaker 1: felt my soul or something like that, it seems like
Speaker 1: everything bad to start happening. It was. It was an
Speaker 1: episode of The Simpsons right where Bart where meal House
Speaker 1: Bob Bar soul. Bart believe in souls, so meal House
Speaker 1: bought bar soul for five dollars and like Bart was
Speaker 1: having a dream where he died and him and Mealhouse
Speaker 1: died and they needed to roll their selves across St.
Speaker 1: Peter's Gate and it was a two or boat. So
Speaker 1: it was supposed to be you and your soul right rowing?
Speaker 1: You know, over to the to heaven, and meal House
Speaker 1: was sitting in the back of the boat and his
Speaker 1: male house soul and Barsol was both rolling him and
Speaker 1: bart was just rolling in the circle. I don't know
Speaker 1: why I remember that right now. Good, but that's just
Speaker 1: thinking about No, No, I wouldn't you know what's funny?
Speaker 1: The conversation came out rich, how much would you sell
Speaker 1: your manhood? You won't feel your manhood for nothing, but
Speaker 1: you'll sell your soul. I wouldn't sell my soul or
Speaker 1: my manhood. My manhood is a pretty priceless um. And
Speaker 1: then that episode of the Census. I needed to roll
Speaker 1: it just in case God let me in. I needed
Speaker 1: to roll to heaven. So I can't let go. I
Speaker 1: might be stuck in that ocean. That purgatory you know,
Speaker 1: and you what you Catholic of them? No, only Catholics
Speaker 1: believe in purgatory. Purgatory got did away with bro I think,
Speaker 1: so that's what you got if you're Christian, that would
Speaker 1: say only people to believe in purgatory. Still to my
Speaker 1: knowledge of the Catholics, so you don't think Christian Catholics
Speaker 1: said the Sime share the sign religion to a degree,
Speaker 1: Oh no, they only believe a hundred forty four thousand
Speaker 1: going to heaven. They believe everybody. They don't believe you're
Speaker 1: going to purgatory, heaven or hell. I think that years
Speaker 1: to believe in the hundt four thousand, how many more?
Speaker 1: How much of it? I think Jehovahs Witness believed that
Speaker 1: only a hundred four. I was raised Catholic. All the
Speaker 1: Catechism and all those classes and all that church school stuff,
Speaker 1: I never heard any of that. You never heard a
Speaker 1: number that might be, that that might be, But it
Speaker 1: wasn't like something that was talked to about as part
Speaker 1: of the faith in the Catholic religion. It was never
Speaker 1: anything high school and that's all they talked about with purgatory.
Speaker 1: Was so mad that my parents and made the every
Speaker 1: day high school. There's there was something that they talked
Speaker 1: about having to do with like um so sort of
Speaker 1: timing with like the sacrament of whatever and then like
Speaker 1: the funeral and the ascension process. But there wasn't like
Speaker 1: a strand there wasn't a whole lot of emphasis being
Speaker 1: talked about like you can get stuck in purgatory and
Speaker 1: definitely or whatever. Mm hmm, Okay, so when I heard
Speaker 1: it was purgatory hill, heaven and hill and so many
Speaker 1: amount will getting into heaven. But I could be wrong
Speaker 1: because that's not a religion I study. I just heard
Speaker 1: it in the tenth grade. And Captain Catholicism. Captain you
Speaker 1: know you know the stays Yeah you might, You might
Speaker 1: be right, Reggie. It was a catechism to um because
Speaker 1: you know Chris went to bost he didn't participate in
Speaker 1: then that stuff either, Um, Well, you know Catholicism started.
Speaker 1: They're the center piece of Christianity. Who told you that?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's if you actually know the history of
Speaker 1: Peter was the first of the Catholic Church. So serious m.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Yeah, a non Christian, actually a
Speaker 1: non Christian actually created Christianity. Well he didn't, he didn't.
Speaker 1: I take that back. That's a lot. He orchestrated the meeting.
Speaker 1: That's how we see the structure of Christianity. And then
Speaker 1: when he was about to die, like they say he
Speaker 1: was like ten minutes before he died, he had to
Speaker 1: priests come in and make him a Christian. I was like,
Speaker 1: that is some chicken ship ship to do. You're about
Speaker 1: to die, that hold come on God, like make God,
Speaker 1: ain't stupid, get your ass at the game, like no
Speaker 1: nigger shouldn't talk about this politics and religion. So we've
Speaker 1: got to move on. Shut up to everybody. But we
Speaker 1: need what you believe as long as to make you
Speaker 1: a good person? How much about character and heart? Have
Speaker 1: a good character and try to have a good heart
Speaker 1: for sure, because believe me, wicked Christians and righteous atheists
Speaker 1: exactly don't know about that. That's like san like Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: There's good people on both sides. But look, so ch
Speaker 1: do you believe in that type of thing that people
Speaker 1: can sell a soul? I believe people have done it
Speaker 1: and and and do it, but I don't believe. I don't.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't. I don't. I wouldn't condone it.
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it because Steve is not worth it
Speaker 1: to me. You know, I used to tell people all
Speaker 1: the time when I was a police officer, I didn't
Speaker 1: make as much money as I did when I was
Speaker 1: running death row in that my security company and all
Speaker 1: of that. But you know, I was a happier person
Speaker 1: in my opinion. I had more stuff, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: and more and better credit. And from my point, of
Speaker 1: being exact if you're learned to adjust to to what
Speaker 1: you have. And when you started getting more like that,
Speaker 1: soon one more money, more problems. Yeah, he got that
Speaker 1: one right for motherfucker's so okay. Listen. So still accused
Speaker 1: a record exact out of Compton of selling his soul right,
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't sold us saying he was a devil worshiper.
Speaker 1: It's a big difference. That's the same thing, ad because
Speaker 1: he loved top Dogs. That's all he ever talking about
Speaker 1: Top Dog and top from Watts he was talking about
Speaker 1: he was talking about easy Oh right, But I don't
Speaker 1: want to get into that. We're gonna hold that for
Speaker 1: another thing when no easy slander, no Compton legends landers.
Speaker 1: So what I'm asking, right is, you know a lot
Speaker 1: of people told me that coming into the business, that
Speaker 1: should solder soul. A lot of people told me that,
Speaker 1: and I didn't really believe it. I believe anytime a
Speaker 1: black man is successful, brothers from where we come from,
Speaker 1: they have to figure out why they're not successful, so
Speaker 1: on other people they start putting bullshit beliefs. Do you think,
Speaker 1: at any need being around, should you funk with him
Speaker 1: more than everybody that he was like he sold his
Speaker 1: soul or was evil. I believe Sugar was the most
Speaker 1: generous person I've ever met in my life. That's my opinion.
Speaker 1: But when he turned on you, he turned on you
Speaker 1: and a lot of these people. If people watched the
Speaker 1: recent interview has been done duel and all of them,
Speaker 1: Danny Boy and all of them. The people have never
Speaker 1: put out in an album on Death Row. But they're
Speaker 1: talking about two surgeries, they're talking about monthlies. They're talking
Speaker 1: about um all this money that was being spent on
Speaker 1: now and how they were living and looking and stuff,
Speaker 1: and never put out an album one Death Row. And
Speaker 1: all these people want a bad mouthing now, but he
Speaker 1: was taking care of of a lot of people. People
Speaker 1: just got mad when he cuts you off. And where
Speaker 1: he messed up at and I meant he messed up
Speaker 1: by not having a royalty department. But in my opinion,
Speaker 1: and for what I know, and once everybody sit down
Speaker 1: and do the accounting and stuff, man, you will find
Speaker 1: out that this man overpaid all of his artists. That
Speaker 1: I believe that if you just look, you'd have been
Speaker 1: in the game. Glasses. You know what an album? People
Speaker 1: don't tell what an album really generates you million dollar
Speaker 1: Artists like palk And and Snoop were if they were
Speaker 1: getting a dollar a record back there dollar they weren't recouping.
Speaker 1: So that's five million, tim million dollars. You don't learned
Speaker 1: on all types of expenses and stuff like that within
Speaker 1: that period of time that the brothers done. Guy, I
Speaker 1: mean Snoop had a four and a half million dollar
Speaker 1: legal fee and a judgment money put an album model
Speaker 1: on death front and I'm glad you told me that.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said at that because when I talked
Speaker 1: to him. One of the coolest things about shig Um
Speaker 1: when I first met him, how I met him was
Speaker 1: um I had met Ron and Don first. Right, Ron
Speaker 1: and Don worked with my engineer, Guido and um, so
Speaker 1: they talked to me about him and they always talked
Speaker 1: spoke highly like he was a good dude. Um I
Speaker 1: had wrote. My first single was a song called Certified
Speaker 1: with a Con and like, you know, like I was
Speaker 1: super good at like straight gang member wise, I really
Speaker 1: didn't give a funk and I was out there with it.
Speaker 1: And it was a line in the song where I say, um,
Speaker 1: I'm laughing at these rap niggas running from Sugar, right.
Speaker 1: So I remember like it was more of me of
Speaker 1: a staff to niggas that was acting like they were
Speaker 1: street niggas, but it was a nigga that was pumping
Speaker 1: that must fear in their heart, right, So I just
Speaker 1: presented myself in the way that like, it's no nigga
Speaker 1: gonna pump, no fear the nigga who is the most
Speaker 1: scariest nigga. That's how I went about rapping, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, let niggas know right off the rip. So
Speaker 1: a couple of my homies was like, yeah, man, should
Speaker 1: have heard that line some so forth so forth, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that's cool, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like I ain't tripping like Sugar solid like. And at
Speaker 1: that time, you know, I knew so many niggas from
Speaker 1: the mob, Like I used to go over there all
Speaker 1: the time. Mikey Rules my boys able wresting peace. A
Speaker 1: couple niggas is my guys term a couple of niggas, right,
Speaker 1: So I really didn't have no issue. I went to
Speaker 1: the House of Blues and performed it, and he was
Speaker 1: there because he was on the second floor. Fear me
Speaker 1: standing up right, So I'm busting the ship. I'm going crazy. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm with Tip, I'm opening for Tip, and uh, I'm
Speaker 1: wrapping it. And I've seen so you know, you know
Speaker 1: how they make us where we're from, is they make
Speaker 1: us this way, like, oh, let me triple that up,
Speaker 1: let me really put it there. So niggas no. So
Speaker 1: I'm laughing at these rap niggas running for sure. Shu
Speaker 1: stood up, put his arms out in the whole crowd.
Speaker 1: Look back at him, and I'm going, I'm just talking, Cray,
Speaker 1: I'm just wrapping my rap. So when I get off
Speaker 1: the stage, he comes to the back. We introduced each other,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously should nice. I sized him. I'm like, Nigga,
Speaker 1: we'll be cold squabble. Nigga is a fair one, you know.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't that type of energy. It was like
Speaker 1: more I could tell he was proud that I could Nigga,
Speaker 1: that he could that he knew was something got clogged,
Speaker 1: got close enough to get into the business. So it
Speaker 1: was nothing. But this is two thousand seven. That's two
Speaker 1: thousand seven eight. Okay, later it is late. You've got
Speaker 1: a different ship. Let me be honest. Two thousand shigs
Speaker 1: two thousand seven. Ship was not two different ship nights.
Speaker 1: I had money and power, the other one, yeah, a
Speaker 1: little bit of power, no money, but he had different
Speaker 1: crew running with him, had two boys. He had niggas
Speaker 1: that would would he had two boys somewhere and it
Speaker 1: doesn't buried you in rape you. Yeah, yeah, he had
Speaker 1: some boys. He had some boys seven. He was running
Speaker 1: with Denver Lanes, not saying that they weren't there for anything,
Speaker 1: but there wasn't as loyal to him because they're from
Speaker 1: a different neighborhood. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I knew that. I
Speaker 1: knew that. I knew the niggas he was running away
Speaker 1: from Lanes then with some of my boys too. But
Speaker 1: long story short, it was never like the line, wasn't
Speaker 1: ever a disrespectful line about ship. So to me, like
Speaker 1: when he embraced me, he actually is the first legend
Speaker 1: from the coast to me to truly embrace me like man,
Speaker 1: you know, like his energy was like, man, welcome to
Speaker 1: the business. Don't let these niggas play you, because they're
Speaker 1: gonna try to play you. So we start building from
Speaker 1: that point on. You know, we built a great relationship.
Speaker 1: And one of the things I talked to him about
Speaker 1: and asked him about was snoop? I was like, man,
Speaker 1: what's the whole thing with the money. He started explaining
Speaker 1: to me how much he spent in getting him out
Speaker 1: of prison and when keeping him from Yeah, yeah, from getting.
Speaker 1: That's why I said, from from getting, he'd have been
Speaker 1: in prison. I mean it was a simple case. So
Speaker 1: somebody legs, yeah, so exactly, so not no nigga, No, hope,
Speaker 1: God don't do that. That's not know. He wouldn't. Long
Speaker 1: story short, I thought that was ill. He told me
Speaker 1: the story. I was like, get their hair braid in
Speaker 1: the prison. No, no, I don't even want to know.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to find out. I wouldn't get my
Speaker 1: hair braiker. So I've been to killing nigga, talk about
Speaker 1: break my hair and braid my hair. Gonna kill you.
Speaker 1: But anyway, he told me the story, and I knew
Speaker 1: the number he was talking about is real because I
Speaker 1: watched certain hommies that I knew fight cases. And I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: so it's millions upon millions upon millions of dollars. He
Speaker 1: taught me some crazy ship like, I ain't trying to
Speaker 1: throw a ship out there, but you know, he spent
Speaker 1: some money. I knew he spent some real money because
Speaker 1: they had to come to hin four. They knew we
Speaker 1: had it, so they're gonna come to for it. You know.
Speaker 1: The turns that he had, he was four and the
Speaker 1: home four. The people that got rested on Snowcake, the bodyguard,
Speaker 1: the bodyguard uh shon dog one of those for him.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a little ce style
Speaker 1: or its for him. Two of them eventually got their
Speaker 1: case dismissed. My point was these attorneys was David Chesse
Speaker 1: now David chess Off, that the guy that represented the
Speaker 1: football player in Vegas right now, he was also the
Speaker 1: guy that represented Dirk Uh, the guy you know, the
Speaker 1: the old man that just got got uh convicted for
Speaker 1: melissitting No women are killing, no killing. This his friend
Speaker 1: um about you know, back in the day. I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to tell you how the powerful of attorney John Ray,
Speaker 1: powerful attorney from San Diego area, Johnny Cochran and David
Speaker 1: Kenned also the fourth attorneys. Jesus, he had an O
Speaker 1: J dream team exactly. This is who had it, you know,
Speaker 1: who he had on this case to represent him. And
Speaker 1: my point to all of that has been this is mom.
Speaker 1: The mount of money that they put out, four attorneys
Speaker 1: touring the amount, and that's why Snoop don't really complain. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did this separation and agreement that sold, and people
Speaker 1: don't like when I use the word soul so Ill said.
Speaker 1: I signed as as an artist, I get it, signed
Speaker 1: his rights to show him. Well, actually it was Priority Records,
Speaker 1: to be honest, everybody, because because Priority, because because Mac
Speaker 1: was gonna get him at first. I was trying to
Speaker 1: make a move back and they ain't. Never we wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna sell me the mack we turned down with Russell
Speaker 1: Simmons came up there with more money. Not Russell Simmons,
Speaker 1: Lee or Coin came up there with more money, rolled
Speaker 1: up to the prison with me about three or four
Speaker 1: times and try to get it. He offered eight million
Speaker 1: dollars because he was in business with Columbia. Said they
Speaker 1: told him thirteen million. But he came back and said, hey,
Speaker 1: all I can get you is because Columbia don't want
Speaker 1: to give up that much is eight million dollars. He
Speaker 1: told him, No, he has signed the rights to Priority
Speaker 1: for I'm percent over right in four and a half
Speaker 1: million dollars and Gay Snoop Gay Snoop a million dollars
Speaker 1: to sign the contract to leave death Row, saying that
Speaker 1: that he don't owe anything. No, he had no more
Speaker 1: claims than anything from death Row on any other money
Speaker 1: that was generated from there was done three one, and
Speaker 1: anyone was supposed to pay them, you know. And I'm
Speaker 1: talking about that once we took the cat off from
Speaker 1: Interscope and took it over to death Row. I mean
Speaker 1: took it over to the Interscope was done out in
Speaker 1: two thousand one. Yeah, so Snoop is not old any
Speaker 1: money by ship night. But I don't think Snoop even
Speaker 1: lies as well. I don't think he actually says that,
Speaker 1: I don't say anything. Who's here that's gonna do? He
Speaker 1: don't change and there they don't wear anything. I didn't
Speaker 1: try to expose him on telling the lie of about
Speaker 1: and now I'll try to help with it, telling um
Speaker 1: about the story with Pop snoopton told so many different
Speaker 1: versions on so many different things. Well, I don't know
Speaker 1: what his agenda is, but he's trying to do a movie,
Speaker 1: and he want to tell the movie his way. Suppose
Speaker 1: you got you gotta tell your own narrative, right, you
Speaker 1: gotta make your own story. You got lied about it though, hell,
Speaker 1: everybody is gonna lie by it ain't. Nobody's gonna tell
Speaker 1: the truth because you gotta get enough story without lying. No, no,
Speaker 1: not wouldn't be one of my favorite artists. He got
Speaker 1: enough enough. He's the greatest hip hop artist ever, no question.
Speaker 1: But everybody wants to make their narrative better than it
Speaker 1: is correct. But to me, like to be honest narrator.
Speaker 1: When I talked to me like he ain't never seen
Speaker 1: a check? How how would matter? How could mac ten
Speaker 1: even think about getting a song saying, there, bro man,
Speaker 1: we would have loved with that to happen. We would
Speaker 1: have pulled that ship off the shells low as it
Speaker 1: happened because number one, we was with priorities still and
Speaker 1: number two, how he gonna do that? We weren't gonna
Speaker 1: sign snoop rights to mac ten? So what made up
Speaker 1: so so they should want to give it to p
Speaker 1: How do anybody then? He didn't care, he was going
Speaker 1: in to give it to Brian at priority. But question,
Speaker 1: could I think his total deal was only like seven
Speaker 1: million dollars and we know he was out there and
Speaker 1: spending all that money on t BOS. So you know
Speaker 1: he didn't have cold up man, my boys spending no
Speaker 1: money on t BOS. Don't my boy all that? Y'all
Speaker 1: know that was out there and hanging there. See, I
Speaker 1: know the real people don't like to hear ready talking
Speaker 1: ready though about everybody wife Kenya. I mean I know
Speaker 1: everybody business because I was in this business back then,
Speaker 1: So they can't. That's why they hit for me to talk.
Speaker 1: That's why it's easier to call me the police. That's
Speaker 1: the police, but the police is running. Yet he was
Speaker 1: around doing stuff back there from nineties six to two
Speaker 1: thousand to two three on the West coast. There wasn't
Speaker 1: nobody and the no better than me because everybody was
Speaker 1: coming because they're row and I was running this jiggles
Speaker 1: in jail. Okay, so hold up, glad, pea pete. So
Speaker 1: this is all I'm trying to say. So everybody was
Speaker 1: coming to tell stuff. I didn't deal with either people
Speaker 1: with Drake stuff and all of them, yallo. In the
Speaker 1: two thousand I've then they had then everybody or you
Speaker 1: had to pin. You had you had the pin. You
Speaker 1: had the pin of all pens at that point exactly
Speaker 1: death row pen go ahead, Pete asking um, and we're
Speaker 1: talking about managing you back then in two thousand seven
Speaker 1: waving mack, waving mack. Yep, yeah, I'll tell you I
Speaker 1: got no bids in two thousand seven. You know, go ahead,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Pete. You're talking about like nine five, right,
Speaker 1: that's with with Snoop getting resigned, right, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no eight. Snoop went to Master. Yeah, p went to
Speaker 1: he went to their ninety after Doll Father, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I thought that the lag time when he actually signed
Speaker 1: sign of the album got out. I thought it came
Speaker 1: out like ninety seven or something like that, So it
Speaker 1: was like that doll probably came out. That's doll Father. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was album came out that late. Yes, actually came out.
Speaker 1: It came out in the Yeah, it came out around
Speaker 1: the same time mcafelli came up, and I thought that
Speaker 1: they had released that, like they had the rights to it.
Speaker 1: Santa claud Oh yeah, yeah yeah, that which is that
Speaker 1: classic hip hop Christmas song, probably the greatest hip hop
Speaker 1: Christmas song, coming straight to the ghet. Every Christmas time,
Speaker 1: I still bump that song. So we're talking, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: for still negotiating this. Uh yeah, in like ninety seven
Speaker 1: in the night when he was a sign up to
Speaker 1: well actually once again part Priority without I don't want
Speaker 1: to ask the wrong kind of question, but like looking
Speaker 1: at the career arcs of Snoop and Mac, what how's
Speaker 1: Mac making that kind of a play? Well, he had
Speaker 1: to deal. He had Brian kind of deal with Priority. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Brian already gave him a nice deal. I think he
Speaker 1: got like a seven million dollar album deal. He was
Speaker 1: on all in on Snoop Walkers. The dude named Marvin
Speaker 1: Watkins was manager Mac ye over in or at Priority Records. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Brian turn of the year and they got him a deal.
Speaker 1: That's when he had C J. Mack. Yeah, comrades, he
Speaker 1: had eight, he had eight for a record automatic Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Priority at game of deal Yeah yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just I just looked at the him like, wow,
Speaker 1: got Mac. But he got a nice back. Well no,
Speaker 1: because at that time, huh wouldn't brute no, no, But
Speaker 1: but he had Brian, Brian we my point, he could
Speaker 1: have been given up a million dollars. I can't say,
Speaker 1: but my point is, if why would he gave a
Speaker 1: million dollars if he couldn't even get get the man
Speaker 1: signed to him. Yeah, I'm saying we was not going
Speaker 1: to authorize the time periods that they were talking. We
Speaker 1: wasn't going to authorize mac ten to get that deal.
Speaker 1: But what I don't want to do rest I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about because no, no, no, not not
Speaker 1: mac mac macmc guy. That's notes. But I want to
Speaker 1: talk about Shug. What's the most generous thing you've ever
Speaker 1: seen him do? Well, the mothers think the mothers, they think, well,
Speaker 1: that's very generous. That's when he brought everybody mamas. This
Speaker 1: was just thinking. He did this for like two or
Speaker 1: three years in a row, where he brought in the
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills Hotel. Um, it was the most expensive one
Speaker 1: in Beverly Hills at the time. I can't think of
Speaker 1: the name of it right now. But he took everybody
Speaker 1: and had their mama's brought to the hood from UM,
Speaker 1: from the neighborhood and limos and these was mainly and
Speaker 1: his whole thinking was, I mean, we're talking about at
Speaker 1: least two fifty mothers sitting at tables and getting gilts.
Speaker 1: We had Charlie Wilson escape Tupac Hammer. UM. You know,
Speaker 1: he did Charlie Wilson, and I know, not Charlie Wilson,
Speaker 1: the brothers, Yeah, because you know they loved the old women,
Speaker 1: loved the mother. But his whole thinking was, this is
Speaker 1: Mother's Day. Most of the mothers don't have anything to do,
Speaker 1: and they're just gonna be sitting at home, man at
Speaker 1: the kids because the daddy's not there, or the daddy's
Speaker 1: in jail or something like that or in prison, and
Speaker 1: he just wanted to show them a good time on
Speaker 1: Mother's Day. He did that like two or three years.
Speaker 1: We always gave everybody giving our turkeys and Christmas and
Speaker 1: toys around Christmas time. Always did that. We'll be at
Speaker 1: the mall, and whenever we go to the mall, everybody
Speaker 1: you know, hitting up buying the tennant shoes and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. See some little kids walking around, help them
Speaker 1: take off their shoes, but then't pair of shoes. I
Speaker 1: have been with you. What people don't call Like I said,
Speaker 1: if you get to him, that was the problem was
Speaker 1: getting to him. But when artists get got to him
Speaker 1: or whatever. They always had a problem or always needed something.
Speaker 1: And now ain't talking about the big name martist because
Speaker 1: they had their monthly low past fifty coming in and
Speaker 1: I think park deal was seventy five dollars monthly. That's
Speaker 1: what they had, you know, towards the end when everything
Speaker 1: was rolling to but even prior to that, you know,
Speaker 1: when you need money and stuff like that, they always
Speaker 1: had it. Everybody always had a story and you got
Speaker 1: it whenever you got to him and told him your story.
Speaker 1: It was always I was walking one day was when
Speaker 1: Dad's when he was in prison, and and and that's
Speaker 1: they give me the phone, let me talk to him.
Speaker 1: He told me, he said, she I need some money.
Speaker 1: She told me to cut jazz and check on hunting
Speaker 1: found out. I mean we're talking like prisons or stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Whenever artists asked for something, they always get it.
Speaker 1: People always say, well, it was the cars in the
Speaker 1: houses and this one's in their names. Who owned a penhouse?
Speaker 1: Who owned cars? Back then? Did you want to god
Speaker 1: THEMN ninety seventh car? Seven car? You know in two
Speaker 1: thousand one, two thousand and two, everybody was doing Lisa's
Speaker 1: Lisa New. Then youre Lisa Car for three or four
Speaker 1: years because you wanted a new one, wanted brand new,
Speaker 1: I mean to keep with your name was a classic
Speaker 1: or you know, some motorcycles and stuff like that. So
Speaker 1: he didn't even own none of the cars that he had.
Speaker 1: He was releasing cars. Why would you Well that was
Speaker 1: you know. But everybody now was saying, well, none of that.
Speaker 1: We find out nothing, but we can't. But we can't.
Speaker 1: But we can't get into the conversation where people are
Speaker 1: trying to make you know, him look bad, because it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: He didn't do this, He didn't do that. Nothing. Nothing
Speaker 1: is in their name, you know, the didn't nobody now
Speaker 1: name uh the Tooco Lake House, the snoopand was in
Speaker 1: his name the house and Clarmont or Roby or whatever
Speaker 1: it is. He still got that house that's in his name.
Speaker 1: That was his name. Personally, every time I talked to Dog,
Speaker 1: he ain't never had nothing bad to say about ship,
Speaker 1: And I think those will be the time. So I
Speaker 1: really judge people conversation and what they say to me personally,
Speaker 1: because they feel like it's somebody that I know, they're
Speaker 1: gonna tell me what they really think. I think everybody
Speaker 1: outside of me has this public image of what it's
Speaker 1: only a couple of people. I think is as advertised
Speaker 1: where I see him and I feel like too Short
Speaker 1: is somebody that's on an off camera the same person
Speaker 1: you mean, iced T. I get the same vibe no
Speaker 1: matter who I'm in front of. Um Snoop is one
Speaker 1: of those people. To me, when I talked to him,
Speaker 1: I get this real, honest version of him. And for
Speaker 1: him not to smart out dog like sugar in front
Speaker 1: of me told me everything I needed to know. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like funk all of the ship
Speaker 1: to the fans or you know, how you marketing yourself.
Speaker 1: The reality was he's always been like grateful to me.
Speaker 1: I mean it's always been like you know when you
Speaker 1: go back to the earlier stories of changing his name,
Speaker 1: when you go back to the earlier stories of understanding
Speaker 1: how to dress them, like the thing that makes record
Speaker 1: labels great And this is from just studying and you know,
Speaker 1: outside looking in you ask somebody that's really great with
Speaker 1: records and somebody really great with vision. And to me,
Speaker 1: Shil death Row is the greatest hip hop label of
Speaker 1: all time because they had the greatest or they created,
Speaker 1: They created the greatest renaissance and arts. To me, like
Speaker 1: when you've seen the cultural phenomenon that was death Row,
Speaker 1: it was the centerpiece of the most contagious black culture
Speaker 1: in the history of black culture. Like, there's nothing more
Speaker 1: global than the lifestyle we live in Los Angeles, You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? No matter where you go, you
Speaker 1: could talk to the most whitest white person, they're gonna
Speaker 1: know about the culture that is cripping. They ain't gonna
Speaker 1: know everything, but they're gonna know crips where blue and
Speaker 1: bloods were red. So for them to be the centerpiece
Speaker 1: of that renaissance of that much truth, because it's all
Speaker 1: the truth, they didn't have to put nothing on it.
Speaker 1: The lifestyle was obvious. So for Shulged to understand visually
Speaker 1: and to have the vision to say, this is what
Speaker 1: I need to present, right, that was so important, Like
Speaker 1: you got Dre doing the record, but you have Sugar
Speaker 1: with the vision. Should knew what it needed. Brilliant, unbelievable
Speaker 1: quick question. I think I remember it accurately. But there
Speaker 1: was there was like some civil settlement or litigation was
Speaker 1: between Dads and Sugar, and I thought it came out
Speaker 1: to damage it to million dollars to dad. Doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: What happened there? Now, this is what happened. Should what
Speaker 1: happened is to be honest, old publishing. I gave Dad
Speaker 1: and brought all of his publishing and everything that was
Speaker 1: on to him by death row. If you ever look
Speaker 1: up a company called Simon says Music Polishing, you know
Speaker 1: that it's a lot of deals. But that's after the fact.
Speaker 1: That's like in two thousand when I was paying all
Speaker 1: of the artists and buying them and buying there where
Speaker 1: they don't get any more money, where they just sold
Speaker 1: it over and turned it over to me. That's another story.
Speaker 1: But then there was a separation between Sugar and I Should,
Speaker 1: so he didn't know about a lot of the deals
Speaker 1: that I was doing, or hand forgot about them. So
Speaker 1: people started going sewing and putting in claims and all
Speaker 1: of that. So Dad's heard about Kreop getting kicked getting
Speaker 1: released from his deal by folling for bankruptcy. So Dad's
Speaker 1: when to try to hidle the attorneys and do some
Speaker 1: Philadelphia or something like that and try to go to
Speaker 1: the same route with your should got the default judgments,
Speaker 1: he started just not going to court and stop dealing
Speaker 1: with stuff. While that's what happened to the Game, that's
Speaker 1: what happened to Game in his case, he didn't go
Speaker 1: to court on that girl, and that girl wanted judgment
Speaker 1: of like some real millions too. Michael Harrio got the
Speaker 1: judgment for hundred seven million dollars. It wasn't that the
Speaker 1: judge bil he old or or or he was right.
Speaker 1: It was just because they got tired of shoged not
Speaker 1: disrespecting the courts. They were telling me me, you need
Speaker 1: to turn over just turn over that, and he just
Speaker 1: like said it and didn't care. And so Jazz got
Speaker 1: a a default judgment against you. Just like hereo, Harry
Speaker 1: ain't chested a penny off of that. Dads ain't touch
Speaker 1: a penny either. But Dad has been receiving royalty checks
Speaker 1: from whatever they're stating everything paidal because I ain't throw
Speaker 1: that paperwork in their face. Shot. But as soon as
Speaker 1: I get back healthy, I had been okay. The reason
Speaker 1: I haven't did any of the paperwork because number one,
Speaker 1: it was a big old death row bankruptcy hearing that
Speaker 1: went down. Guess who was the face of most of
Speaker 1: the stuff. I had a two million dollar house out
Speaker 1: and uh in Corona that they were trying to take.
Speaker 1: And you know here you are trying to say that
Speaker 1: we shill house and all of that, which I had
Speaker 1: to prove that wasn't your house. So I had to
Speaker 1: go and make a deal with with the bankruptcy attorneys.
Speaker 1: I had a building on Walshire that was in my name,
Speaker 1: you know, deathrol offices that I had paid three million dollars.
Speaker 1: I got paperwork where I got chilled, you know, our
Speaker 1: refinances and my name and everything, and was able to
Speaker 1: give him three million dollars. But I didn't want to
Speaker 1: take that fight on because I knew I didn't do
Speaker 1: stuff right. Most of the deposits and all of that
Speaker 1: did come from death row, so I didn't ever uh
Speaker 1: make the claims that I should. But now that the
Speaker 1: bankruptcy is over, I'll be out of trouble about another
Speaker 1: six day months. You're gonna be seeing Reggie right going
Speaker 1: and collecting a lot of money that's been old toy
Speaker 1: since about two thousand four two. Because I still have
Speaker 1: all the paperwork saying that all these people that did
Speaker 1: buy outs for me, they which I think they don't
Speaker 1: forgot about, but they ain't forgot about it. What do
Speaker 1: you think is that most under stuff like judgments and
Speaker 1: all of that came out, you know, was able to
Speaker 1: get but nobody's got paid anything because of the bankruptcy. Nobody.
Speaker 1: What's the moment? I mean that was the dad's talking
Speaker 1: about his whole cop. Yeah, he was about some tiny
Speaker 1: little farmhouse in Mississippi. I'm like, that must be in
Speaker 1: some oil and mama house. MoMA out there with his mother. Now,
Speaker 1: he'd tell you he went out there to take care
Speaker 1: of her and all of that. Okay, Dad, What what's
Speaker 1: the most misunderstood thing about mom? Just want to stay?
Speaker 1: There's mom recently passed the way I believe? Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: nobody mother love one dying to Yeah. Yeah, y'all made
Speaker 1: too much history of even speak. That was times. Um,
Speaker 1: What what's the most misunderstood thing about Should? Like, You've
Speaker 1: been fucking with do since I was little kids, So
Speaker 1: what's the most misunderstood? That's easy that he just became
Speaker 1: a bullet once he got older, are are are started
Speaker 1: making money. Should was the same way he was when
Speaker 1: he didn't have no money, but was in high school
Speaker 1: and going like that. I always lied about how many
Speaker 1: girls do you have? Now? This thing? Hack? I was
Speaker 1: with shild probably from until he went to prison, and
Speaker 1: then a bout the year or two after he got
Speaker 1: out of prison. And I've seen that they sleep alone
Speaker 1: one or two times. And that was in Rochester. It
Speaker 1: wasn't in Rochester. I keep saying Rochester. But we went
Speaker 1: to visit Casey and Joe Joe in North Carolina on
Speaker 1: like a Monday or Tuesday. And if y'all know anything
Speaker 1: about the Bible belts and ship opened on no Monday
Speaker 1: on Tuesday's house? And what was in our Caroline? And
Speaker 1: we couldn't find no females nowhere. They didn't know what
Speaker 1: the strip clubs was for a Monday two They're like, hey,
Speaker 1: nothing open out here in the ninth early nineties in
Speaker 1: North Carolina. Go ahead, the question for you Ridge, what
Speaker 1: you're talking about? Girls? Um? What was going on with
Speaker 1: Mary J. Blass? She was up there, she was managing
Speaker 1: her at one point she was managing her. He had
Speaker 1: this attorney named Paul Marshall that in New York that
Speaker 1: he had dealing with a lot of the paperwork. But
Speaker 1: he had Andre Horrell and everybody thinks Puffy, but Puffy
Speaker 1: was just really an A and R guy, our producer
Speaker 1: for them. But Andre Horrell with is turning how he
Speaker 1: started working for Puffy later on in life but the
Speaker 1: same people, they say, the same people. They say, be
Speaker 1: careful with how you deal with the people when you're
Speaker 1: coming up, because they be the same people you see
Speaker 1: coming down. So yeah, for sure, like Puff became Harrel
Speaker 1: was dope too. I mean, Harrella is heavy d I
Speaker 1: mean just studying him, he was a cold person, but
Speaker 1: then he did end up working for Puff. It's crazy
Speaker 1: how these brothers, like, right, whether it's a brother like Shug,
Speaker 1: whether Puff, Horrel, these brothers come in and make these
Speaker 1: companies millions, like creatively millions of dollars, and then like
Speaker 1: get to a space to where even somebody like IRV
Speaker 1: got he has no value where Like how how doesn't
Speaker 1: he have a job, a multimillion dollar job with his
Speaker 1: brain at a label. How is it somebody like Shig
Speaker 1: doesn't have a multimillion dollar Like they're hiring these motherfucker's
Speaker 1: who don't know nothing about marketing or records. They just
Speaker 1: straight bottom line guys. And that's you know when you
Speaker 1: start thinking about they might always tell still yeah where alone,
Speaker 1: remember they started they were the first three him Jay Princeton,
Speaker 1: and they started talking about that black distributions. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: niggas got fair cases, immediate league and labeled snatched the Metium.
Speaker 1: All them niggas got FAED cases at the same fucking
Speaker 1: And it's funny because let me let me just share this.
Speaker 1: It was an interview right with a little rat boy
Speaker 1: from New York, um Snitch nine, right where he was.
Speaker 1: Um he was doing an interview before the Breakfast club. Right,
Speaker 1: this is before anybody knew about the police anything, like
Speaker 1: nobody's post that new nothing. And he's talking and they
Speaker 1: asking me this nigga had been the most bravado motherfucker
Speaker 1: in every interview he gets up there and he like,
Speaker 1: what's your worst fees? Like oh man getting the federal
Speaker 1: indictment and bobs like he just started talking about it
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, right, and I'm listening to him, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, something up with this nigga, Like this nigga
Speaker 1: don't even seem like himself, like right, he cared for
Speaker 1: what he says. I genuinely believe a lot of those
Speaker 1: high level guys at these labels, like let's say Lucien's
Speaker 1: son like Elliott, Right, why would the fans not reach
Speaker 1: out to these guys? So the fans could reach out
Speaker 1: to these guys and say, hey, we we got a
Speaker 1: case going against these guys artists in the way. Right,
Speaker 1: this is a valuable artist, or he's a white artist
Speaker 1: or whatever. Right, Okay, you need to move him out
Speaker 1: of the way. If that call could happen right, which
Speaker 1: it had to, because he knew what was going on.
Speaker 1: They reached out to the little white man, and they
Speaker 1: reached out to him. What's so hard to believe that
Speaker 1: they can't reach back to the fans and create cases.
Speaker 1: J Prince, Suge Knight and Earth got it all, got
Speaker 1: a fucking federal case right around the same fucking time,
Speaker 1: and Sugar and Jay Prince, I mean Earth and J
Speaker 1: Prince beat there's yeah, who the funk beats? The fans
Speaker 1: should be there. The only thing we got all the
Speaker 1: two case was a misdemeanor filling into filled taxas three
Speaker 1: and so you three and against fifth res. We don't
Speaker 1: know niggas three and against the Fez and we know
Speaker 1: a group of niggas that went to the fans, and
Speaker 1: we don't know niggas three and no. So that lets
Speaker 1: you know that a lot of the energy that was
Speaker 1: coming their way was made to tain them, and none
Speaker 1: of them been able to get back in the building
Speaker 1: after after that, how could three of the best urban
Speaker 1: you know, more keetting minds and hip hop we saw
Speaker 1: it happened to Spreewell, right, that did happen to Spreewell
Speaker 1: once they put their heads against you and black ball you. Sorry, Peter,
Speaker 1: I'm about to say the white boys as a mother
Speaker 1: of you know, you know they were they have black
Speaker 1: ball you. They got here getting wrote about and the
Speaker 1: stuff that we had learned about. We know it's getting
Speaker 1: fired by Jimmy I Bean to the to the government.
Speaker 1: Great Katings and I Grant Katings told me that he
Speaker 1: was setting over to Jimmy I Beans at a fucking
Speaker 1: Halloween party before we got before she got popped or
Speaker 1: before they started investigating us and the Halloween party of
Speaker 1: Jimmy I Been mm hmm, mean that they had contact him.
Speaker 1: I don't think they had a relationship part of that,
Speaker 1: but they had contacted him. But think about it. If
Speaker 1: she could have a relationship with you, because y'all grew
Speaker 1: up together, something where alone aligne y'all crossing at that point,
Speaker 1: you were an authority figure at that time. Why would
Speaker 1: them why would them white folks not have somebody that's
Speaker 1: a federal agent that they grew up with somewhere, and
Speaker 1: somehow it's it makes no sense when you think about
Speaker 1: all three of them got fair cases, and they went
Speaker 1: three and the fans went oh and three against them.
Speaker 1: The fans don't lose k who the fun The fans
Speaker 1: don't lose cases. They didn't have them. They just had
Speaker 1: to break them down. Don't spend that money, tournish their name,
Speaker 1: and tournish other people from dealing with him. Was it
Speaker 1: all in Southern District of New York? We were in
Speaker 1: l A l A question And I'm sorry you're not
Speaker 1: to cutting nobody off, but you know Dr Dre was
Speaker 1: a really big central piece to Death Row. He was
Speaker 1: the production. Yeah, how did should let him go? What
Speaker 1: happened with that? Well, let's call a female I use
Speaker 1: another term, but I don't be nice today. But so
Speaker 1: you really think death Row fell apart over a bit
Speaker 1: that was the That was the camel that broke the
Speaker 1: straw back when he found out that his partner what
Speaker 1: sucking his baby mama. I'm not saying that he was
Speaker 1: a low wood or anything, because he wasn't sure, but
Speaker 1: that all the things that it went down I heard
Speaker 1: him to the core. He won't admit it. She don't
Speaker 1: want to admit it, but I was around. I saw it.
Speaker 1: You think it should could do stuff different again, he
Speaker 1: would have lifted. He didn't want He didn't want Drake
Speaker 1: on even though he got I mean, the company probably
Speaker 1: was only worth a hundred and fifty million at the
Speaker 1: time because the podcast blew up like it like he
Speaker 1: did Jack, but he didn't want Park. I mean, he
Speaker 1: didn't want Drake gone. When Drey left, he wasn't for that.
Speaker 1: It's just Dre was just like I gotta go. Like
Speaker 1: Jimmy played on both sides of the fish. Jimmy no, no,
Speaker 1: Jimmy just was filitated the deal to keep everybody he had.
Speaker 1: He has to. He has to. You can't let you
Speaker 1: can't let the vision go or the records go. You
Speaker 1: have to figure out how to make both people happy. Flocked,
Speaker 1: Drey was finding people like King. He tried. He tried
Speaker 1: to go away from Gagster Rap for a while. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he were doing been there who done that? Yeah, he
Speaker 1: tried to go away from Gaster Rap. Drey was twenty
Speaker 1: one million dollars unrecouped at one time, had a downside
Speaker 1: from his house and move to a little little spot
Speaker 1: in wool And Hills. I mean he was still It
Speaker 1: was a two million dollars he had to move from
Speaker 1: he had, he had, he had a lot of He
Speaker 1: had a lot to figure out, and he had to
Speaker 1: go back to the original formula. He had had expeditions
Speaker 1: for everybody and the staff. He had to turn all
Speaker 1: those there. Dre and then went through stuff. Yeah, guess
Speaker 1: who came and save me? Emmael Eminel came in saying,
Speaker 1: I remember that, and Dre told me that before he
Speaker 1: told me about Eminem and Jimmy brought him. Eminem was
Speaker 1: like Jimmy. Jimmy said, you know Eminem, Dra told me that.
Speaker 1: Jimmy d told me Jimmy one of the one of them.
Speaker 1: Eminem gave Dean and the credit. He's the one that
Speaker 1: brought and told them about the kid him. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: I mean, Jimmy is the one who Convincedre to work
Speaker 1: on it, because I don't think Dre initially wanted to
Speaker 1: work on it. That's what he told him. I make
Speaker 1: him get you some money because he was coming. Four
Speaker 1: of the bands and you know, the dragon some money.
Speaker 1: But see what you can do with this artist right here,
Speaker 1: and he threw the demo to him. Yeah, I think,
Speaker 1: I think, Um, Jimmy, I've told me this himself, but
Speaker 1: I think, but I think every last person knows the
Speaker 1: story to be true, like and I think Drey so Drake. Again,
Speaker 1: the conversations I have with certain legends is honest. For
Speaker 1: some reason, they feel like I just quick or the
Speaker 1: only two than and like that drama Yeah yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: um DJ Quicker, the two that hated the atmosphere that
Speaker 1: was around there for am. But but you gotta but
Speaker 1: you gotta think orically when the vision and the records,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean part it is usually the
Speaker 1: end of a label. Remember when hit Men, when the
Speaker 1: hit Man fell out with Puff, that was over beat
Speaker 1: by the Palm fell out with Pe. It was over
Speaker 1: Actually was funny. It's being signed the cash Money Records
Speaker 1: right when Manny Fresh left. It was tough because bird
Speaker 1: knew exactly what I needed. He Birdman would say, damn,
Speaker 1: I need to get your record. I need to get
Speaker 1: you another record. But remember at that one time, he
Speaker 1: didn't have to go find a record, just like should
Speaker 1: didn't have to go find a record. You know you
Speaker 1: gonna turn right to Dre and say, hey, man, what
Speaker 1: do you guy for? Pope? You got something for pocket.
Speaker 1: Here's here's Pot's greatest record of all time at some
Speaker 1: place right, here's Snoop's greatest record. Same thing with master
Speaker 1: p right where he would go to be I mean, uh,
Speaker 1: birdman would go to Manny Fresh Fresh give me something.
Speaker 1: So when the vision Hutch from the bubb the law
Speaker 1: Hutch and and Dre, I mean, Dad, they did all
Speaker 1: the Dre groundwork back in the day. He was a close.
Speaker 1: But that's but that's the key, and and and and
Speaker 1: and it takes a lot, you know a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Right now, what's wrong with the West Coast music scene
Speaker 1: is there's no closers closer. It's it's it's niggas as
Speaker 1: pitching in. It's the only closer is probably must we
Speaker 1: call them beat makers. Yeah, I'll call them programmers program
Speaker 1: now because now because now they're on the computer and
Speaker 1: the programming ideas. But I and I was telling somebody
Speaker 1: because they was telling me about the whole Dash and
Speaker 1: Dass making beasts for Dre, and I'm like, look, bro,
Speaker 1: somebody could put up four walls in the room, right
Speaker 1: and they could do a decent job before walls. Dre
Speaker 1: coming at motherfucker cuz and add crown molding, baseboard, changed
Speaker 1: the face plates, changed the outlets, texture the walls. So
Speaker 1: when you see the room, anybody could buy the room.
Speaker 1: Now that's no introspect to nobody else. It's it's not
Speaker 1: about that, It's about this is what makes Dre great? Correct,
Speaker 1: and he finished. That's the one thing I can't think.
Speaker 1: Warren is a great finisher. Battle Cat finished well, but
Speaker 1: Dre is. If if I knew baseball, I would talk
Speaker 1: about who the great is Mario Marianna Rivera, who was
Speaker 1: the greatest closer of our time? Right, So Drake could
Speaker 1: finish everything. So, but the point I was saying is
Speaker 1: when the vision in the in the records part ways,
Speaker 1: that's when the true dilemma starts. Correct, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, That's when the dilemma starts. So, um, we
Speaker 1: should so I saw that. So you're saying the most
Speaker 1: misunders to the part was the fact that you felt
Speaker 1: people didn't think he had holds. No. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't just that. I was just saying the type
Speaker 1: of person he was, They only give him credit for
Speaker 1: being that type of person when he got money and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and all I'm just saying at the
Speaker 1: same attitude and the mindset that I knew the same
Speaker 1: shig when he had money when he didn't have money,
Speaker 1: with the same sugar. In my opinion, mm hmm it riggs.
Speaker 1: Let me you know, I want to go back to
Speaker 1: marry j Plush was her and should messing around. She
Speaker 1: was missing with somebody up the doing well. Danny Boy
Speaker 1: said that he was messing winner and and um Tupac
Speaker 1: she was woman. I'm gonna say this, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: feel bad about saying this. Why the fund did y'all
Speaker 1: sign Danny Boy? That was before I got there. But
Speaker 1: he was a sixteen year old guy that could sing,
Speaker 1: and they should should. Unfortunately, she should going to use
Speaker 1: him to do remakes that he used to love from
Speaker 1: ods and stuff like that. And so that's why he
Speaker 1: didn't get the chance that he he deserved because we
Speaker 1: didn't need him because meaning they dog of all times,
Speaker 1: but they needed and R B singer and he was
Speaker 1: trying to get an R and B singer And I
Speaker 1: respect that. I think when I looked at Sugar, I
Speaker 1: could tell he he looked at Barry Gordy a lot,
Speaker 1: and I could tell R and B was a big
Speaker 1: thing for death Row at his inception. Even before probably
Speaker 1: death Row, he still wanted to have a hip hop
Speaker 1: department in the R and B. I could tell how
Speaker 1: closely he was always fucking with, Like who asked David
Speaker 1: Ruffin Jr. Somewhere around this motherfucker who got Casey and Joe?
Speaker 1: Joe who got you know? He had all the best
Speaker 1: R and B singers around, He just never got a
Speaker 1: chance to launch that part of the label. He went
Speaker 1: back and got Christopher Willes. People don't know that dreaming.
Speaker 1: Don't don't don't, don't, Yeah, don't, don't wake me. I'm drinking. Wow.