1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: You're listening to Ron and Nanian The Car Doctor, nationally 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: recognized auto expert trusted by Mechanics, Weekend wrenchers and vehicle 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: owners alike. Ron brings over forty years of hands on 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: experience and deep industry insight to help you understand your vehicle. 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: Join the Conversation live every Saturday from two to four 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: pm Eastern by calling eight five to five five six 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. That's eight five to five 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: five six zero ninety nine hundred, your direct line to 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: honest answers and practical advice. 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I think a lot of us are familiar 20 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: with them. They've come out with a new meter, their 21 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 2: DM three hundred, great approach to solve a very old 22 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 2: hard problem looking for vehicle electrical draws. The DM three 23 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 2: hundred gives us the ability to do milli vault draw 24 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: testing across fuses, and it does the calculations inside. You know, 25 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 2: it used to be that we would measure milli vaults 26 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 2: across a fuse, do a look up on a chart, 27 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 2: and then decide is that a correct milli vault number 28 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 2: or not. The DM three hundred does it for you, 29 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: and it makes the conversion right on the display, and 30 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 2: it tells you what the ampage draw is. It makes 31 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: that conversion from milli vaults to ampage and so on. 32 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: So we're gonna be road testing that in the coming week. 33 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: So I just wanted to point that out and we're 34 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: looking forward to doing that. We'll get that up on 35 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 2: our YouTube channel. We'll talk about it up here. And 36 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: I bet you I can wrangle Brandon to get me 37 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: someone to interview my contact guy over there a power probe. 38 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: But right now, let's go over and talk to Let's 39 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: go to John on Louisiana, New Iberia, Louisiana, the home 40 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: of Tabasco saus John. Yes, yeah, it is okay, what's 41 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: going on? With you in your twenty eighteen Honda Accord. 42 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 3: I have a twenty eighteen Honda Accord two point zero 43 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 3: that I love, love driving it, and I started having 44 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 3: some problems with needing to add coolant to it. Took 45 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 3: it to my mechanic. He checked it, did a pressure check, 46 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 3: replaced my radiator cap, continued and I was still losing 47 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 3: coolant and they started throwing codes. Went back to my 48 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 3: mechanic and tested it and said, I have a blown 49 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 3: head gasket between cylinder one and two. 50 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 2: Right. 51 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 3: And as I started looking into that and getting on 52 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 3: some Honda forums, I found out that this is quite 53 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 3: the issue. 54 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely absolutely. It's become a very common phenomenon, and 55 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 2: it's funny how the industry is just accepting it. I 56 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: know there's a couple of conversations from Honda about it, 57 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: but there's no recall. And the only answer I've got 58 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: is because every everybody always wants to know is there 59 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: a recall, they just either haven't hit the numbers yet 60 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 2: or they just don't have anything definitive. And usually it's 61 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 2: on higher mileage vehicles. How many miles are on your car. 62 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 3: One hundred and thirty five thousand, right, and I talked 63 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 3: to a mechanic and he talked to one of the 64 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 3: Honda mechanics that he trained in the area, and he said, 65 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 3: it's becoming a very big issue. Right around one hundred 66 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 3: thousand miles. They're failing. 67 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: And you know, I blame part of it on you're 68 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: a turbocharged car. Correct, Yes, you know there's that extra 69 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 2: pressure on an engine because we've got to make things 70 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: turbo charge, and it's it's one of the reasons I 71 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: cringe at it. But you know, it's hard. You can't 72 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 2: find anything today that isn't turbo charged. It's almost like 73 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: and you can't find anything today that's not CVT transmission. 74 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: The other week link in a lot of vehicles Honda 75 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 2: included and yes, you know that's that's that's an issue. 76 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: So I would tell you to get it done obviously 77 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: Honda factory parts, and keep all your receipts because you 78 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: never know what the next six months to a year 79 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 2: will bring in terms of if Honda will actually, you know, 80 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 2: do anything about it and make good for it. You know, 81 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 2: they it takes. It just takes a certain number of complaints, complainers, 82 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: and I would tell you to complain to Honda. I 83 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: would tell you to talk to Honda and say, look, 84 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 2: I'm a loyal Honda customer. I'm assuming, right, John, you've 85 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 2: had more than a few of these. Yes, you know. 86 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 3: I've had a bunch of Hondas all the way back 87 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 3: to the Honda CRX when it first came out and 88 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 3: made car of the year, right, Honda Odyssey's accords, and 89 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 3: I've always driven those cars three hundred thousand plus us 90 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 3: never had any engine troubles, and I've I've explained to you, 91 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 3: I've had a issue with a twenty seventeen Honda Civic 92 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 3: with the CBT going out, and I was like, what now. 93 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:19,679 Speaker 2: Another another common failure? Yeah, another common issue that they've 94 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 2: they've had their issues with. Did you have the timing 95 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 2: chain problem on your two Leader? 96 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 4: No? 97 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 3: I didn't. 98 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: Okay, you may, and I guess when they're doing the 99 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: head GISs, get to look to see if there's any 100 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: updated parts for that as well. The two fours had problems. 101 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: The two Leaders had some issues. The one fives, the 102 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: little one to five Leader turbo charge motor has some 103 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 2: engine issues. It's funny how they've engineered themselves into a corner. 104 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: I think that they've got these weak links going on. 105 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 2: And it's not just Honda. A lot of the car 106 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: companies are going through it right now. And I'm not 107 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: sure why, you know, did the engineers get together and collude. 108 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 3: It's sad because I have been such a loyal Honda guy. 109 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 3: My wife has a twenty sixteen Honda pilot and when 110 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 3: I found out I had CBT issues, I was like, 111 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 3: do I have a CBT transmission in that? And I don't. 112 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 3: I'm happy, yeah, but you know, yeah, it's making me 113 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 3: look at some other brands, you know, and maybe we 114 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 3: need enough people out there in the radio land to 115 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 3: raise some smoke about this issue with the two point ohers. 116 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: Yep. Well, and that's part of the reason, you know, Listen, 117 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: I went to you. I wanted to hear this story. 118 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: But and that's a fair point. That's I always like 119 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: to present this to the radio audience and say, hey, 120 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: you know, what's everybody else doing? And by all means 121 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: we want to hear about it, but I also want 122 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 2: to encourage you. I would talk to, you know, the 123 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: dealership where it's being done. I would talk to Honda corporate. Look, 124 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 2: I'm a loyal Honda customer. You know, we know this 125 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: is a problem. Just because it hasn't hit bulletin level 126 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 2: yet doesn't mean that it's not an issue. And I 127 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 2: want to know what you're going to do to make 128 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: me happy. They've got to do something for you know, 129 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: it'd be nice. Hey, you take a fifty to fifty split, right, 130 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 2: they do some labor and you know parts, and you know, 131 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: just to see yeah, you know it's it's because. 132 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 3: What I'm hearing is that's a five thousand dollars problem. 133 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big problem. It's it's an expensive Yeah, 134 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: it's a chunk, right, it's a chunk. And they're going 135 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: to tell you, well, you know it's got one hundred 136 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 2: and forty thousand miles on it, mister John, And uh, 137 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: you know your answer is going to be, well, look 138 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: at my oil change records, you know, And I should 139 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: I should ask that question in all fairness, I'm sure, 140 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: but have you done your maintenance you know as per 141 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,239 Speaker 2: what what they call for, and you've got your receipts 142 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: for oil changes, and you know your sixty or ninety 143 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: thousand mile service if they if they required you to 144 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: change cool into the specific time interval, and you know mileage. 145 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 3: You did all that, yes, sir. 146 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 2: So you know it kind of makes the argument, Hey, 147 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: I did everything you told me to do. I did 148 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: all the service. You know what's going on, and you 149 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: know you want to keep me as a customer. You 150 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: got to do something for me. The powers in your hands. 151 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 3: It makes me think of the Aaron Brockovich movie. Yep, 152 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 3: we just need one person to scream loud and a lot, right, 153 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 3: and sometimes you get the industry's attention attention. Well, you 154 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 3: get your younger person that's real good on social media 155 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 3: and they don't like the heat that that can bring. 156 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: You know, it takes a certain number of complaints. It 157 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 2: starts off, you know, when they have failures like this, 158 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 2: It starts off as a service campaign dealer level. You know, hey, 159 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: mister Honda dealer, if you see X y Z customer 160 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 2: come in and they've got this particular problem, we want 161 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 2: you to do this, this routine, this method, this replacement, 162 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 2: and we want to try and nip this in the butt. 163 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: After the campaign level. Let's say campaign levels one hundred cars. 164 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: I'm exaggerating because you know who knows what the numbers are, 165 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 2: but just to show you the proportion for them, to 166 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: write a bulletin, that number goes from one hundred to 167 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: one thousand, because understand, when they write a bulletin, not 168 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 2: only are they writing a bulletin and admitting that they've 169 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: got a problem, they're going to run it through legal, 170 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 2: They're going to run it through marketing, they're going to 171 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 2: talk to everybody because now this represents the company and 172 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: its public information. And then for it to go from 173 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 2: bulletin level to recall, it takes a lot more. It's 174 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 2: a lot, it's a much bigger number. That thousand incidents 175 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 2: becomes one hundred thousand incidents or more, and you know, 176 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 2: the concern there is that and this is you know, 177 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: they haven't had enough or as many complaints as required 178 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: yet because they will recall something before the government tells 179 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 2: them to recall it. Because if the government says recall it, 180 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: the government makes them recall it, and it finds them. 181 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: And the fine on vehicle recalls went up quite a 182 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: bit five six years ago. That that's what started all 183 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: the heavy recoil. Instance, if you're cool with the air 184 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 2: bag scenarios and everything that we went through between twenty 185 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: fifteen and twenty twenty, that's what started all that, So 186 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: document document everything, John, talk to the dealer, talk to 187 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 2: Honda Corporate, tell them you want to open up a 188 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 2: complaint in case they've got to do something for you. 189 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: Otherwise you're going to fix this and move on to 190 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: the next one. You're not the first person I know 191 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 2: of that went through this, and my advice to them 192 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: is exactly what I'm telling you here. It may take 193 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 2: a while, but I'd be willing to bet you'll get 194 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: something eventually. 195 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 3: And the only other thing I would like to add 196 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 3: is low profile tires and rims are good for one thing, 197 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 3: a photo. Yeah yeah, Well, I thing I did was 198 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 3: get rid of them. Well they get real tires and 199 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 3: real rims. 200 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: You know, they're good for two things. They're good for 201 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 2: a photo and for generating bad wheels and chopped up 202 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 2: tires when you hit a pothole. 203 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 3: Well, I'm I work in the offshore all industry, so 204 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 3: if I get off of a boat at two in 205 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 3: the morning, I'm not going to look at my tire 206 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 3: and put an airro gate on it. And I've ruined 207 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 3: about three or four tires driving down the highway at night. 208 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 3: When I hear my tire just goes goes. You know out. 209 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: Let's let the car be fun, but make it practical. 210 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: And I get that percent, one hundred percent. John, it 211 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: was a pleasure, sir. I hope they I hope they 212 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 2: solve it for you. If if you feel the need, 213 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 2: you know where to find this. You give us a 214 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 2: call back, and we're glad to talk about this again 215 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: and keep everybody updated on your trials and tribulations. 216 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 3: All right, thank you so much. Come down and need 217 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 3: some good Cajun food and tobasco. 218 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 2: I might take you up on that, John, you'd be well, 219 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 2: my friend. Yes, sir, you're very welcome. I'm Ronning Andy 220 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 2: and the car Doctor. I'll be back right after this. 221 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 2: Let's go to the email big. I love doing emails. 222 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 2: Ron loved listening to your show. I've been a long 223 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 2: time listener since the days of New York. Thought you 224 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 2: might make this little story. This comes to us from Daniel. 225 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 2: I dropped my car off yesterday to have a regular 226 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 2: service in some minor suspension work done. I picked it 227 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 2: up the say afternoon and paid the nearly eight hundred 228 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 2: dollars bill and went started up in the yard. Straight 229 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 2: away I noticed the misfire. The car was shaking and 230 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 2: struggling to maintain an idol. I went back into the 231 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 2: office to report the issue, as it definitely wasn't misfiring 232 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 2: when I dropped it off, but now it was. I'm 233 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 2: not unreasonable, and the misfire could be entirely coincidental and 234 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 2: have nothing to do with the work done. But I 235 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: was told at the desk, without them even looking at 236 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 2: the car, we only did an oil change, which meant 237 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: to me not our fault, and that it could be 238 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 2: a foul plug for moving it back and forth in 239 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 2: the workshop, and to take it home down the freeway 240 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 2: and hope that it would clear itself and if not, 241 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 2: bring it back tomorrow. I wasn't confident taking the car 242 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 2: home as the idol was that bad, and most certainly 243 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 2: I didn't want to break down on the freeway either. 244 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: They were very reluctant to spend any time. I've got 245 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 2: to wonder, is this a long term I guess it 246 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: is as long term mechanic. That's crazy, he goes on 247 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 2: to say. Daniel goes on to say I had to 248 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: really press them to at least put a scan tool 249 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 2: on it, which they finally did. By the way, when 250 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 2: they lifted the hen when they lifted the hood the 251 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: engine to plug in the tool, it was idling so badly, 252 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 2: rocking side to side. This has to be an older 253 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 2: German car. The mechanic hooked up the scan tool and 254 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 2: it reported a misfire. He checked around the engine bay 255 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 2: and under one of the plastic valve covers discovered a 256 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: vacuum pipe, one end of it not attached to anything. 257 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 2: As soon as he reconnected, if the misfire went away, 258 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 2: it would seem as part of the oil change, and 259 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 2: removing some of the plastic shrouding the pipe became dislodged. Again, 260 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 2: I'm not unreasonable and I know these things happened. It 261 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 2: could have been that it was unconnected to the oil 262 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 2: change and a brand new problem that was just bad timing. 263 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 2: The reluctance to spend five ten minutes in the yard 264 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 2: and even the plug in a scan tool was disappointing. 265 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 2: Knowingly sending a customer away with a misfiring car and 266 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 2: to not at least put a scan tool on it 267 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 2: very least am my being unreasonable. So it turned out 268 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 2: it was their fault. It left me with a bitter 269 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 2: taste when after just paying eight hundred dollars they wouldn't 270 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: give me the courtesy of five to ten minutes in 271 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 2: the yard to see where the car had started misfiring 272 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 2: upon my collection of it. Anyway, I thought you'd be 273 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 2: interested in hearing the story, and you might want to 274 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 2: talk about it on the show. I am. I did, 275 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 2: I would, of course. I'm certain that I visited your workshop. 276 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 2: You not have knowingly sent me down the freeway with 277 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: a misfiring car, not at least without spending a few 278 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: minutes to try and see what the problem might be 279 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 2: before making a judgment call on if it was safe 280 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 2: enough to use or not. Perhaps I'm unreasonable and expecting 281 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: too much from my mechanic hind reguards, Daniel, No, Daniel, 282 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. I read this not to bash somebody, 283 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 2: but no, you're not being unreasonable. Look, you know, you 284 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: leave a car with a mechanic, it's in their charge, 285 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: you know, courtesy and consideration thereof, and they're trying to 286 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: if they're doing the job right. And this is what 287 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 2: you're looking for, and I think most people are. You're 288 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: looking to know that when you leave that shop the 289 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 2: vehicle is in as proper working order as the budget 290 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 2: that supports it. Allows and is proper working order? Is 291 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 2: what you had requested to be done? Yes, I agree 292 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 2: one hundred percent that it never should have come to that, 293 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: you know, but I agree hundred percent they were obligated 294 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 2: to go out and look at the car if it 295 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 2: wasn't making that because it had are they making it 296 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 2: when it parked it? It sounds like a some sort 297 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 2: of crank case ventilation tube with manifold vacuum in it 298 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 2: was which allowed air to come into the engine was 299 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: knocked loose and it created a lean misfire. Look at 300 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 2: this way. A fuel system misfires, right, but it created 301 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 2: a lean misfire and they had to know it upon 302 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 2: finishing up with the oil change. I think it's really important. 303 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: And one of the things my why change your oil here? Signed? 304 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 2: I have a sign up in the shop, why change 305 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 2: your oil here? Because it talks about, you know how, 306 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: other than what a quick loop does. A quick loob 307 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: doesn't do road tests, right a quick looping they bring 308 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: the car in, they drop the oil, they change it, 309 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 2: and boom, they go on with their day. A repair 310 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: shop has the ability, and a lot of shops don't 311 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 2: do this, And I'm amazed and Daniel I think your 312 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 2: shop is one of them where they don't road test 313 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 2: things both prior and after the oil change. And I 314 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 2: think it's a very important piece of the puzzle. I 315 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 2: think they absolutely we have to. I think it's really 316 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: important that a shop does an oil change they do 317 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 2: a rod test both before and after, because they would 318 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: have discovered this and it would save them the embarrassment, 319 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 2: it would save you the aggravation, and perhaps they would 320 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: come to you and say, hey, Daniel, by the way, 321 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 2: this tube falls out of the intake manifold or falls 322 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: out of the valve cover. It's easy enough, the gromets 323 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 2: are dried out. It's an older vehicle. You would only 324 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 2: be so happy too, Let's fix it. Let's order some 325 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 2: parts and get it solved. So yeah, I think they 326 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 2: I think they missed the mark. I really do. And 327 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 2: I think that their handling of it was poor. I 328 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: think a smart repair shop keeps a scan tool by 329 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: the door just for this occasion. We keep an OBD 330 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: two only dedicated scan tool quick, Simple, down and dirty 331 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 2: right by the door, the door tool, we call it. 332 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 2: We actually call it the door tool. It's the old 333 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 2: blue and gray and we can plug in and we 334 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 2: can get information out of a vehicle and under a minute. 335 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 2: And any good customer is worth a minute, any good 336 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: customer is worth five minutes. And somebody that's a long 337 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 2: term customer, of course, and that's part of what it is. 338 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 2: This is a service business. You can tell them from me. 339 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: I think they missed the mark. I think they should 340 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 2: have done this differently. And know that you know it's 341 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 2: up to them to make it up to you. But 342 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: I would also think about getting those grommets repaired and replaced. Daniel. 343 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: I appreciate the email, and I hope you got what 344 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 2: you wanted out of this, and I hope they give 345 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 2: you something good to make up for it. I'm on 346 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 2: an ending in the car, doctor, I'll be back right 347 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 2: after this. Don't go away. Let's go to the great 348 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 2: state of Texas. Let's go talk to Tyler and Waller. 349 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 2: Am I saying that right, Tyler Waller Texas? 350 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 5: Yes? 351 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 3: Or you are? 352 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: Do I get a caboy hat and spurs? Am I ready? 353 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 4: No? 354 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 2: Yes? Almost? I mean, what's going on with your twenty 355 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 2: twelve niece on frontier? 356 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:52,719 Speaker 3: Here? 357 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 2: This I'm reading this, This doesn't look good. Tell us 358 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 2: the story. 359 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 5: Well, I got it back from having the engine read 360 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 5: remaining fectured at Thunderbolt transmission and came up with a 361 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 5: hard start roughdal throwing a few codes. The main one 362 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 5: that's concerned is the P zero three, three five. The 363 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 5: others are chassis codes, right, So took it back to them. 364 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 5: They worked on it for three weeks, couldn't figure it out. 365 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 5: They checked wire harness and all that, and it supposedly 366 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 5: came back right. So whenever I got I got it back, 367 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 5: I went and looked at it. Still tried changing sensors 368 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 5: with OEM brand parts, because if you don't change both 369 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 5: of them at the same time, sometimes it the ECM 370 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 5: compares the signal from both of them, so through cause 371 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 5: the code. But nothing there no luck them changing lass. 372 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 2: Is this so just a couple of things. First of all, 373 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 2: the chassis codes? Was it an eleven thirty, eleven thirty 374 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 2: two and something sequential along those lines? 375 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,959 Speaker 5: There was a eleven thirty see eleven thirty two and 376 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 5: a C eleven sixty three. 377 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 2: All right, disregard those for the moment. As I'm sure 378 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: you are, go go take a look at Nissan bulletin. 379 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 2: Nissan's got a couple of bulletins out on this. The 380 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 2: last one I saw was NTB sixteen Dish one one 381 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 2: six dated November of sixteen, and they talk about how 382 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 2: a Nissan of this generation will set a fault code 383 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 2: see eleven thirty and so on when it has a 384 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: ratic engine signal. Okay, okay, so so let's just take 385 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 2: that off the plate for the moment. All right, what 386 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 2: sort of scan tool do I have access to? 387 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 5: The Enova OBED two scanner that look hooks up to 388 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 5: a phone on the app okayer appone. 389 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 2: So the downside to this is it's gonna be pretty slow, 390 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 2: all right, because it's got a it's an interface that's 391 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,959 Speaker 2: probably a Bluetooth connection to you your phone. I'm guessing 392 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 2: it is, yes, sir, So the data being buffered isn't 393 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 2: going to be great when you if you clear this 394 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 2: fault code? How long before it comes back the. 395 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 5: Moment you start to crank you turn the key again? 396 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: Okay, So, so will it come back with just turning 397 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 2: the key to the on position or will it come 398 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 2: back it doesn't come back until. 399 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 5: You crank it the moment you start to crank it. 400 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 2: Okay, So I think you've got an issue with the flywheel. 401 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 2: Just from my seat. Here the fly with the crank 402 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 2: centers in the back of the block. 403 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 5: Correct, correct, it is, Yes, it's it's a passenger side. 404 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 2: Right, and it's triggered off the flywheel. And I'm wondering 405 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 2: if when the machine shop rebuilt it, did we did 406 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 2: we grab something from a different Nissan. Nissans get funny, 407 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,959 Speaker 2: they they you know, I've seen twelves and thirteen's be different. 408 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 2: I don't know that for effect on yours. I'd have 409 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 2: to go look at part numbers, but I'm thinking you've 410 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 2: got an incorrect part back on your vehicle. What I 411 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 2: what I'd love to do, if I had access to it, 412 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 2: is to put a lab scope on this. And I'm 413 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 2: not I'm not a lab scope guy. I don't go 414 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 2: I don't go running towards a lab scope for every 415 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 2: possible thing. But I'd love to see electrically what this 416 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 2: signal is putting out. And I bet it's I bet 417 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 2: it's putting out garbage. I bet it's putting out an 418 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 2: incorrect signal. And what I would really like to do is, 419 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 2: let me ask you this question, Tyler, do you understand 420 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: what I'm saying when I'm with a lab scope and 421 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 2: looking at the crank signal. 422 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 5: Yes, it compares the electrical signals and shows. 423 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 2: Right, so so it Yeah, if we had if we 424 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 2: had a bicycle, two sprockets, big Sprocket, little Sprocket, and 425 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 2: there was a dot at you know, a matching dot 426 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 2: on each sprocket, and is as as the small Sprocket 427 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 2: went around twice the little the big Sprocket would go 428 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: around once, okay, and we would see that relationship. And 429 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 2: if we had the ability to put a sensor on it, 430 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,479 Speaker 2: we would see how it came up. It came up, 431 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 2: it came up, and they would they would index to 432 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 2: each other. You could actually overlay the signals and see 433 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 2: the beginning of and the end of each signal and 434 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 2: know that they're in alignment. All right. I'd love to 435 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 2: see that. I'd love to see a cam crank labscope 436 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 2: sink test here. And you know what am I seeing? 437 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 2: Because the fact that this the fact that this comes 438 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 2: up right away as soon as you start to crank it, 439 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 2: but it doesn't come up when you just turn the 440 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 2: key on, tells me this is not a circuit fault. 441 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 2: This is a performance fault. You get it? 442 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 5: I do yes. 443 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 2: So, in other words, if you took the crank sensor 444 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 2: and unplugged it and turn the key to the omposition. 445 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 2: Depending on how the software interprets it, in most cases, 446 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 2: it will set a crank sensor circuit fault, not a 447 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 2: performance fault, right it It sets a performance fault in 448 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 2: the sense that it's it's plugged in, it can see 449 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 2: the signal go down. If it's monitoring that voltage in 450 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 2: voltage out, it's seeing signal go in. It's not seeing 451 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 2: a correct change. It's not seeing the voltage on that 452 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 2: line being pulled down as it would expect it to do. 453 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,239 Speaker 2: So it's saying, hey, P zero three thirty five, it's 454 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 2: applausibility error. It doesn't make any sense to the computer. 455 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 2: So I this is a This is a real good 456 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: example of why I would use a scope. And the 457 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 2: scope is usually about four or five on my list 458 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 2: of when I pull it out, there's a you know, 459 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 2: there's a few things I look at first, but I 460 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 2: think in this case, I just want to cut to 461 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,479 Speaker 2: the chase, the fact that it wasn't there before they 462 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 2: did the engine, because once you clear up that three 463 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 2: thirty five, you're going to find I'm willing to bet 464 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 2: that the C eleven thirty clears up too, and the 465 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 2: rest of them. Okay, all right, does your that This 466 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 2: is where it gets a little dicey. If we had 467 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 2: a scan tool. If you had a scan tool that 468 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 2: connected right to the OBED two port and it wasn't 469 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 2: that data buffer, you might be able to see cranking 470 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: r pm because it would be fast enough. It would 471 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 2: be a direct connection. You might be able to see 472 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 2: cranking r PM while you're cranking it if you disabled 473 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 2: fuel for example, all right, and you could see you know, 474 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 2: crank signal out that way. But I think the only 475 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 2: hope we've got here is we've got to We've got 476 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 2: to look at this as far as do a cam 477 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 2: crank sync, make sure that the engine is and and 478 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 2: for that matter, is the engine mechanically in time? Can 479 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 2: we can we check the mechanical timing. But to do that, 480 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: we've got to take the front cover off. 481 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 5: Right, the timing chains on the front y. It's dual 482 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 5: overhead cam with a crank chef in the bottom right. 483 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 2: So you know, this is an example. We're going and 484 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 2: doing cam crank sinc. With a labscope is going to 485 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 2: give us an electrical picture of what kind of mechanical 486 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 2: condition we're in? Does the does the trans shop? And 487 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 2: I have to ask why is a trans shop rebuilding 488 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 2: an engine? 489 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 5: They do transmissions and motors, and they started with motors, 490 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 5: move to transitions, but they keep. 491 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 2: It just it just sounds funny, right, it's just you know, 492 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 2: transmiss Yeah, I get it, But I would ask them, 493 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 2: can they can they put a labpscope on this? Can 494 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 2: they do a cam crank sync? Can they show you 495 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 2: an electronic picture of the bicycle sprockets and that they're 496 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 2: in time right? And then and then as they rev 497 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 2: it up, you know, go for a ride. As you 498 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 2: rev it up, you should see them maintain that that 499 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 2: that balance, that synchronization. If this vehicle has variable valve 500 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 2: timing on it, you will see the cam you know, 501 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 2: go forward, go backwards accordingly. Although I don't think a 502 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 2: twelve had vv T. I don't think it was in 503 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 2: the cards for that generation. 504 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 5: So I don't think it is. 505 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 2: No, it's it's a pretty basic This is a pretty 506 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,959 Speaker 2: basic bread and butter vehicle. So all right, kiddo, But 507 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 2: that's that's where I would go. And you know, if 508 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 2: you need more, you know, where to find me. 509 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 5: All right, absolutely, all right, tell you very much. 510 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 2: You're very welcome. You'd be well to emphasize the point. 511 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 2: The problem with a repair like this is it ran 512 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 2: good until it spun. The bearing in the engine failed 513 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 2: and now it doesn't. So and the shop tyler said 514 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 2: had gone through and don somewhat inspecting of wiring. Things 515 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 2: are connected correctly, and everything's backward it's supposed to be. 516 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 2: It's time to do some basic testing. And that's why 517 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 2: I say it's time for a labscope. I want to 518 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 2: see crank signal. I want to see crank signal in 519 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 2: relation to the CAM position sensor in relation to the 520 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 2: CAM signal. I'm looking for an anomaly, something that's out 521 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 2: of place. The trigger device. All right, everybody talks about 522 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 2: the crank sensor. What triggers the sensor. The crank sensor 523 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 2: reads and creates a signal based on how its stimulated 524 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 2: off of either the flywheel in some cases, in this case, 525 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 2: the crank shaft. But there is a tone ring on 526 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 2: the crank shaft that is indexed and it might have 527 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 2: it might have thirty right angle or thirty right angle snubs. 528 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 2: Think of the top of a castle, right how the 529 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 2: top of a castle looks. It's a square top, square top, 530 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 2: square top. It might have thirty square tops, evenly spaced, 531 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 2: except for one, and that one is as the index, 532 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 2: so it means something to the crank position censored to 533 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 2: the engine computer. It's an index showing relationship of number 534 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 2: one cylinder or number three or however they're going to 535 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 2: index it. Every manufacturer seems to do it a little different. 536 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 2: But my point becomes the only way you're going to 537 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: see that short of taking the engine apart, and you 538 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 2: might either taking the engine apart anyway, is to use 539 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 2: a labscope and to look at that signal and how 540 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: does that signal index off of number one cylinder firing 541 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 2: in relation to the cam, in relation to the cam 542 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 2: and i'm sorry, in relation to the crank and does 543 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 2: everything line up? And that's where I think Tyler has 544 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 2: to go on this enough. If this is not external wiring, 545 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 2: and it's not a PCM, and I'm not saying it 546 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 2: is or isn't. I'm just saying we've got to go 547 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 2: start testing. Here's a perfect example of looking at tell 548 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 2: me what's good, I'll tell you what's bad. Let's go 549 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 2: look at individual components and test them, take them out 550 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 2: of the car in our mind and test them. And 551 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 2: the best way we're going to do that is with 552 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 2: a lab scope. Now, the good news is there are 553 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 2: easy ways to do this, depending upon what this shop has. 554 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 2: And I'm not sure that the engine shop is going 555 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 2: to have this, but Tyler, if you're still listening, if 556 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 2: they find certain scan tools, snap On, the snap On Triton, 557 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 2: the snap On Zeus Plus both have labscopes. Both have 558 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 2: known waveform patterns in them, so you'll see a good 559 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 2: waveform pattern. They'll even tell you how to hook up 560 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 2: all right, so they don't have to necessarily be a 561 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 2: great scope person. If they know how to hook up 562 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 2: basic meter leads and understand the theory behind it, they'll 563 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 2: be able to do this. There are others. There's Peko, 564 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 2: There's you know, there's other Launch makes a lab scope. 565 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 2: There's all sorts of different ways to look at this, 566 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 2: all different manufacturers. But the thing I like about snap 567 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 2: On is that it gives you a known good picture. 568 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 2: Of course, you can always go look at images also, 569 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 2: but Tyler, if you're learning on this one, this isn't 570 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 2: the car to learn on. You've got to go find 571 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 2: somebody that's labscope capable. But those are the reasons and 572 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 2: some of the things and some of the options you have. 573 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 2: So I bet this is going to come out to 574 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 2: be if this is internal, there's something about that crank, 575 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 2: either the part, the way it was assembled, the way 576 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 2: it was indexed. Something. But a labscope check, a cam 577 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 2: crank sink check will tell us and get to the 578 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 2: bottom of this once and for all. I'm not on 579 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 2: an ad in the card. Doctor. Let's pull over, take 580 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 2: a pause. We're back right after this. Well, we're back. 581 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 2: Let's go. Let's go to the sunny state of Florida 582 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 2: before they melt, because I bet it's warm down there. 583 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 2: Let's go talk to Tom and Lakeland, Florida. Tom, you're 584 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 2: on with the car doctor, sir, what's going on. 585 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 4: I have a two thousand and five Chrysler Sea Bring convertible. 586 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 4: It has maybe seven thousand miles. I've owned it for 587 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 4: four years and I've used Mobile one oil with it, 588 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 4: and I'm thinking of switching to AMS oil, which is 589 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 4: a little bit more pricey, Right, is worth? Is it 590 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 4: worth the investment? 591 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 2: Probably not? Listen, ams Oil's good oil, all right. I 592 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 2: have no doubt in my mind, I have no knocks 593 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 2: against amz oil. I often wonder why amz oil didn't 594 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,959 Speaker 2: make it bigger, and I always think it's distribution and 595 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 2: how they how they came to market, or how they 596 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 2: come to market. Mobile one's good oil to me. Mobile 597 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 2: one's a lot easier to get than AMS oil, you know, especially, 598 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. From a New Jersey point of view, 599 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 2: Mobile one's easier to get than amzoil. I can pick 600 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 2: up the phone and have Mobile one delivered. I can't 601 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 2: do that with ams oil. Do I think? 602 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 3: I do? 603 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 2: I think amz oil is a better oil for a 604 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 2: two thousand and five Chrysler. No, I don't think it's 605 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 2: gonna matter a whole heck of a lot, right, I 606 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 2: think if what you've been doing is working, car doesn't 607 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 2: burn any oil, the engines quiet, the oil comes out, 608 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 2: you know, relatively quick and clean, no sludge build up. 609 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 2: It's working. Why change it, right? You know, it's that simple, 610 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 2: you know, just just stay on top of your oil 611 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 2: changes and you'll be just fine, now, you know. Having 612 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 2: said that, there are situations where I would use amazoil 613 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 2: over anything else. They've got some really great products there. 614 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 2: Gear oil, I think is really superb. As a matter 615 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 2: of fact, I ran Amzoyil gear oil in my first 616 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 2: hot rod in the rear end of fifty seven old's 617 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 2: rear with forty eight zuomis, and you know that rear 618 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 2: never failed where everybody else was having their issues, that 619 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 2: that rear never failed. And I really believe it was 620 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 2: part of the lubrication that I had in it, because 621 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 2: the amazoil could take a beating. So there's a time 622 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 2: and a place. But you've started with mobile one, it's 623 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 2: readily available to you. I don't see the point in 624 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 2: changing now. 625 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 4: Would the filter be a difference. 626 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 2: What kind of filter are you using? 627 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 4: I'm using? 628 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, good quality frame that you know there's 629 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 2: there's there's less expensive versions of FRAM, there's the Hype, 630 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 2: there's the HP version of FRAM. So there are better 631 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 2: filters out there. Me personally, I like a Wix. I 632 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 2: like I like Wix's uh performance version of a filter. 633 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 2: They make a great filter, and I you know, I 634 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 2: would have no qualms with that. There's you know, it's 635 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 2: funny we as a society, we seem there's cheap versions 636 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 2: of filters, there's expensive versions of filters. There's a lot 637 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 2: of good filters out there. Honestly, I think I think 638 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 2: most of the filters are made by one of three 639 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 2: companies and then market it under their own name. So 640 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 2: I think to answer the question, just use the better 641 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 2: version of whatever's readily available and quickly available, and I 642 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,959 Speaker 2: think you'll be just fine. So you know that, coupled 643 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 2: along with your mobile, I will be the way to go. 644 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 2: All right, I appreciate the call. 645 00:32:58,960 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 4: Tom. 646 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 2: I'm Ron an Any and the car Doctor. We're back 647 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 2: right after this. This is my least favorite part of 648 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 2: the show and my favorite part of the show. My 649 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 2: least favorite because well it's coming to an end, but 650 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 2: my most favorite because that means when this one ends, 651 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 2: another hour begins somewhere out in the radio universe. So 652 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 2: but in any event, I want to thank everybody that 653 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 2: took part in today's show. It was great to talk 654 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 2: to everybody. I especially enjoyed Tom and Florida, and for 655 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 2: Tyler in Texas, I hope that you know, he's able 656 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 2: to find somebody with a labscope to get a look 657 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 2: at what I was talking about and see what that 658 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 2: crank sensor is doing, and you know, we can kind 659 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 2: of go from there. But for everybody else, I just 660 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 2: want to remind you real quick one last time. As always, 661 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 2: I'm Ron and Andy and the Car Doctor. Till the 662 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 2: next time. Good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you