1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to everybody to a Tuesday edition of Texas All 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Access from the Hounday Texans Radio Studio. I'm your host, 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: John Harris, football analyst, sideline reporter, and I make mistakes. 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: I'm saying that up front because last week I promised 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: that we were gonna have a show dedicated to my 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: man's Seth Payne. And this was last week in that 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: everybody was in the Texas organization was on. That's our 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: break up for us. We had one week and so 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: I was in La. I got the show all ready 10 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: to go. It was all set up, all right there, 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: ready to happen, and I sent the wrong show. I 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: had a Monday show and I had a Wednesday show, 13 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: and I sent the Monday show again. So I made 14 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,959 Speaker 1: a mistake. But I'm gonna rectify that mistake tonight by 15 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: having a little where are they now? To kick off 16 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: the show with Seth Payne. We're not hearing him because 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: he's on vacation. I don't know Fi loong, but he 18 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: was on vacation this week, so it wasn't on. So 19 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: I figured, you know what, why not bring it back. 20 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: Let's have a great time talking with Seth Payne. Drew 21 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: Dorty has been doing some tremendous where are They Now 22 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: and so where are they Now? Segments and this was 23 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: one of the best, from beginning to end, just fantastic. 24 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: So it's here from Seth Payne, where are they Now? 25 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: We know where he is now, but how did he 26 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: get to where he is now? It's a good discussion 27 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: with my Andrew Dorty. Let's go. It's always a treat 28 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: and a pleasure to get to talk with Seth Payne. 29 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: He is an original Texan. You hear him on the 30 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: radios at Sports Radio six ten in the mornings with 31 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: Sean Pendergast. I find myself laughing out loud at least 32 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: once a show on the way into work. And he's 33 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: been in this town for a long time when away 34 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: came back, When Away came back kind of ping pongs 35 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: all over the place. But Seth, first things first, how 36 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: the hell are you? I'm good man, You're right, I 37 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: do ping pong all over the place, like Brandy and 38 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: I have lived. We were counting up the other day, 39 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: and yeah, I think from the time we first got 40 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: there and had like a temporary apartment in two thousand 41 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: and two, I think it's nine different places in Houston. 42 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: We just really yeah, we'd like to take a sampling 43 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: of everything. We just now we've you know, once you 44 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: have a kid, everything changes. But yet when I was done, 45 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: when I was done playing football, we moved shied out 46 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: a few different cities before we ended up back here. 47 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: So um, yeah, ping pong is the right is the 48 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: right way? Yeah, And you're doing well right now, right, 49 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: I mean you're kind of doing the remote thing. And 50 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: I have a home if that's what you're Yeah, I 51 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: never I never thought you were living in a tent 52 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: or in a cardboard box right now. Yeah. Now I 53 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: spend um. I go back and forth between like my 54 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: wife's hometown, which is close to my hometown in Houston, 55 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: quite a like quite a lot. Yeah, in a way 56 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: that I that I really really liked. Like I like 57 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: being able to um kind of get variety and change 58 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 1: things up. And there's times where I can I'm kind 59 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 1: of by myself all for seventy two straight hours, or 60 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: I can just be a workaholic, you know, or a 61 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: sleep aholic like whichever one, or a psychopath. I mean, 62 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: if you like that, you know, it's kind of the shining. Yeah, 63 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: I can manage like three different personalities completely if I 64 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: if I manage my time, right, I think that's a 65 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: sign of brilliance, right, yeah, one of those things. All right, 66 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: let's go back way back when you're growing up. You 67 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: had a bit of a rural upbringing, am I right? 68 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: As far as that goes, not stop bringing, but you 69 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: had there's an aspect of it. I mean we uh, well, yeah, 70 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: my father was a farmer, and you know, I when 71 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: I was born, we were working on a dairy farm. 72 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: My father was part of his family's dairy farm with 73 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: my grandpa and my uncle. So from the time I 74 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: was from you know, zero to five, we lived on farms. 75 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: And then my parents got divorced, but my dad was 76 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: still a farmer, so up through when I was a 77 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: teenager before my dad finally got out of farming altogether. Um, 78 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: But then even after that, I worked on my grandpa's farm, 79 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: I worked on my uncle's farm. So it was a 80 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: it was a big part of my life growing up. 81 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: And like, you know, a big part of my identity 82 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: was that I came from a family of dairy farmers 83 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: and it was a I think there's a lot of 84 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: it's kind of like unique type of pride in that 85 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: because part of the pride is wrapped up in that. Uh, 86 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: it's a it's a rough life, like it's a it's 87 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: a life that's very, very demanding in terms of just 88 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: physical work, sleep, deprivation, uh, financial uncertainty, even when things 89 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: are going really really well, the next drought or uh, 90 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: it's going to be anything. Yeah, it has to be 91 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: the worst part. Right, Yeah, that's it. It totally is 92 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: like anything in life when there's uncertainty and you don't 93 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,799 Speaker 1: have any control over it. It's so anything that really 94 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: depends on the weather that that's a huge source of stress. 95 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: So I think even my grandpa, you know, who was 96 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: I think successful in life. I just I always growing up, 97 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: I always felt like everything was always on the brink 98 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: of disaster. And it wasn't until I got older I 99 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: was like, Oh no, that's just the way my family 100 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: handled that's they do well because they're constantly preparing for disaster. 101 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: How long did that take you to figure that out? Though? 102 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: I mean, that's it seems you say it like it's oh, 103 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: that's like that, But that's got to be a process 104 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: that happens in over years. Right. Oh yeah, I'd say 105 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: I not that long by the time I was maybe 106 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: forty three or forty four that I realized that, maybe, yeah, 107 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: you don't always have to worry about everything all the time. Yeah, 108 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: it's okay to it's okay, it's okay to enjoy things 109 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: a little bit every now and then, you know, in 110 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: a good sense though. I'm guessing that gave you some 111 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: pretty good perspective on things. So when you know, times 112 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: got tough in high school or in college or in 113 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: the NFL, and you did go through tough times, I'm 114 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,119 Speaker 1: not saying they weren't tough, but that kind of helped 115 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: you deal with them a little bit better, perhaps, am 116 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: I am I re I. You know, I really it's 117 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: a shame that kids nowadays, and you know, and I 118 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: would include that with kids my age growing up. You know, 119 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: it wasn't like we're in a grarian society when I 120 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: was growing up, So I was in the minority of 121 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: kids that like worked really hard physical jobs from a 122 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: young age. But it does, it does it teaches the character, 123 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: and it also it teaches you to have perspective on things. 124 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: You know, there are very few jobs that are as 125 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: hard as like just really hard physical labor. Out in 126 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: the heat, and you know, you can have miserable parts 127 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: of various other jobs, but like once you've been through 128 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: that and once you've worked really long hours, and I 129 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: think really probably the thing that helped, just thinking back 130 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: in my brother and me and our athletic careers, the 131 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: thing that probably helped the most was that from a 132 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: young age, you're working alongside grown men and trying to 133 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: keep up with them. So the standard is always like 134 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: there's always a really high bar that you can't reach 135 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: or attain, and you know you're the person that's slowing 136 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 1: everybody down. So you're just constantly trying not to be 137 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: the slowest guy out there, and that kind of flows 138 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: over into the way you treat at sports practice and 139 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: everything else. So yeah, that was um, that was It 140 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: was a huge, huge part of allowing me to have 141 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: some athletic success. I think talking with original Texans Seth 142 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: Payne played on the defensive line, mainly at nose tackle 143 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: for the Houston Texans when the franchise began. Seth, so 144 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: you've got that rural background, that that farming background. But 145 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: have you all you've always been a pretty voracious reader, right, 146 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: You've been You've always been into You've always had your 147 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: nose a book for the most Yeah, right, yeah, yeah, 148 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: I uh yeah. From a young age, I think I 149 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: just I took to reading fiction, nonfiction, everything particular, yeah, 150 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: really everything. I kind of I'll burn out on nonfiction 151 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: and then realize, I go, okay, I need to I 152 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: need to get out of that, and then I'll then 153 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: I'll go on a fiction bender and then realize that 154 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: I'm neglecting every other aspect of my life, so um, 155 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: and then I'll then I'll just ping pong back to 156 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: to nonfiction and that. But lately it's been what are 157 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: you reading? Okay, all right, I'm quote unquote reading Shogun 158 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: by James Clavell. Oh yeah, that's a I remember that 159 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: being on my parents like bookstand or book bookcase when yeah, 160 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: that's an oldie right. Well, okay, so it was written 161 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: in the seventies. Yeah, ok, by this British World War 162 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: Two veteran who I believe had been in Japanese pow 163 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: camps um when he was in war in World War Two. 164 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: So when he got out, he started learning about the 165 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: Japanese and you know, learned a great respect for their culture. 166 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: But it's also it's uh you could tell. There's certain 167 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: parts about it where you can tell, all right, this 168 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: was written in the nineteen seventies, um by like okay, 169 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: by this English dude who's giving his version of ancient 170 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: Japanese culture, and it's hard not to read it without thinking, like, 171 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: all right, I gotta I gotta fact check a lot 172 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: of this when I'm done with it, because man, the 173 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: part especially where you know he's painting this culture where 174 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: oh yeah, the women are completely and totally serving man 175 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: and they just love it. You know, they love it. 176 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: They don't really they don't even have a problem with it, 177 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 1: like all all right, Uh, there's a I understand the 178 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,719 Speaker 1: differences of culture and everything. But anyway, um, but so, 179 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: what I was gonna tell you is that I I 180 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: the problem. The mistake I made was I started listening 181 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: to books on audible, and I'm kind of kind of 182 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 1: ruined for I listened to a lot of books these days. 183 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: I'm listening to this one. This one's like fifty hours long. 184 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: I still I'm still old school, Like I curl up, 185 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: but you know, in bed, before you know I go 186 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: to sleep, I'm laying on one side read a book 187 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: that the actual hardcover never done a kindle, never done 188 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: any of that stuff. I'm I still go to the 189 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: library when they have you know, they used book sales 190 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: and get the fifty cent paper. I'm a dork, so no, no, no, 191 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: But that's good because there is, especially when you're trying 192 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: to remember something from earlier in the book or you 193 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: just want to do a good old fashioned doggiere on it. 194 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: It's you lose something when you don't have that connection 195 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: to it, or even just like the geographic location for 196 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: remembering where a spot was in a book, because I 197 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: mean it's almost in the same way like I can 198 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: walk on the field at NRG Stadium and remember specific 199 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: things based on where I am on the field, Like 200 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: I'll just I'll step in a spot and it just 201 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: kind of brings back and it's weird. Um, it's not 202 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: don't eventhing that like I'm trying to do or anything. 203 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: But it's really cool. Just even though you know, I've 204 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: been all over that field and various moments and everything, 205 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: it's still you still got a real strong connection just 206 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: to that one specific spot. I bet you really like 207 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: the middle of that south end zone the most, don't you. Yeah, yeah, 208 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: Except you know the problem with that is I barely 209 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: remember it. That was one of those. So when when 210 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: I got the safety, Garry Walker was like three millimeters 211 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: behind me, So I got I ended up getting credit 212 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: for that sack. Gary Walker was very very close to 213 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: share in the sack with me, and he was the 214 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: one flexing the cameras were drawn to afterwards. Yeah, well, 215 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: and to set things up, to set things up. Most 216 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: people know this that are listening to this. But to 217 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: set things up. It's late in the game. Texans are 218 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: on top. It was seventeen ten, I believe, but Cowboys 219 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: had a chance. There's still some time. You're bet they're 220 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: backed up and you get through. You sack Quincy Carter 221 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 1: for a safety. Like you say, Gary Walker is right 222 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: next to you, he's up flexing the places. I mean, 223 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: is the loudest you've ever heard. Yeah, I mean, it 224 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: just goes bananas and you guys steals the win. Essentially, 225 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: they're not going to come back after that. Put you 226 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: up nineteen ten. It's it's one of the coolest things 227 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: that's ever happened to me in my entire life, like 228 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: in any realm sports or otherwise. Um, just because of 229 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: how unique the situation was with the Texans coming back, 230 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: well football coming back to Houston, the NFL coming back 231 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: to Houston, Like how pent up the energy of the 232 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: fans was, and then just that moment. Yeah, But I usually, like, 233 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: I'm not a guy that kind of goes unconscious during plays. 234 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: A lot a lot of times, you know, especially the 235 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: really great athletes will we'll struggle even remember how a 236 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: play went because they're just in that unconscious mode where 237 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: they're just going. That was one of those moments where 238 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: I think, just because of fatigue, because of everything, I remember, 239 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: I remember going right up to the snap, but then 240 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: everything is a blur after that, and I remember running off, 241 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: running off to the sideline and everybody's celebrating and jumping 242 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: up and down and everything, and I remember Corey Sears 243 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: grabbing me and saying something. I was like, yeah, what happened. 244 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: It's like you did that? I was like what, He's like, 245 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: you did that? That was you? Oh that's pretty cool. 246 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: So I kind of it's funny. I get to watch 247 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: that as a spectator, and a lot of times what'll 248 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: happen is you might you might remember a play, but 249 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: in your mind everything happened so slowly. Then when you 250 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: watch it on film later, especially when you watch on 251 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: the TV copy, they're like, Wow, that actually all happened. 252 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: That thing that felt like it took twenty nine seconds 253 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: happened in like a quarter second. And I get that 254 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: effect just watching that play, seeing how quickly it unfolded 255 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: and everything. Um, it's it's just kind of fun to 256 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: watch as a spectator. So well, it was fun to 257 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: watch in an attic apartment in Dallas in two thousand 258 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: and two because it was me and a bunch of 259 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: my college friends and they were all mainly I mean 260 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: they're from some of them out from out of town. 261 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: They were mainly Cowboys fans. So yeah, I was kind 262 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: of that kind of an ale. Yeah, I was doing bananas. 263 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: So yeah. That was before social media of any sort 264 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 1: of too, so I think we still we had camera phones. Yeah, 265 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: no risk of embarrassment, you know. Yeah, speak it at will. Yeah, 266 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: it was. That was a fun, fun night for sure. 267 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: We'll get okay, we'll get into more football later. But football, 268 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: you're obviously smart guy. It comes time because you're wrecking 269 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: shot in college. You were you were like the bully 270 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: in excuse me in high school? Right, it comes time 271 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: to come, you know, I bully on the football field. 272 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: Bully on the football field. You're a nice guy, I think. Uh. 273 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: I say high school in college was similar because I 274 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: was a really late bloomer physically, Like I I grew 275 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: a bunch of inches. I grew two inches when I 276 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: got to college. Um, but I didn't really have my 277 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: growth spur into my junior year in high school. There's 278 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: a there was a poor setup to the question. The 279 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: question was you did really well on the field in 280 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: high school, obviously in the classroom, but what made you 281 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: choose Cornell and what else? What were the other choices 282 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: available to you? Seth Payne Okay, So okay. Because I 283 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: was a late bloomer, I didn't really have a whole 284 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: lot of buzz about me going o suenior year. And 285 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: you know, i'd grown a few inches my junior year. Um, 286 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: Like like during the football season my junior year, I 287 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: was still growing. So I was just gangly and awkward, 288 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: you know, and I was I was starting and I 289 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: was okay. But I ended up deciding because we had 290 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: a state champion tresler at heavyweight. Uh that year when 291 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: I was a junior, and this kid would have been 292 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: a senior. I said, well, look, I've been a varsity 293 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: wrestler and I wrestled like one thirty two the year before, 294 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: but I had grown and I was at the time 295 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: the weight classes were either one seventy seven or two 296 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: fifteen and there was nothing in between. So it was 297 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: pretty much just like, Okay, I either like wrestled JV 298 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, or I just don't wrestle at all. 299 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: Um So I just I quit wrestling and decided to 300 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: just focus on football and training and everything. In doing that, 301 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: I remember the wrestling coach is like, well, that's Seth's 302 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: what are you doing. It's not like you're gonna play 303 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: in the NFL or anything like. Don't don't give up 304 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: this opportunity to be an awesome JV wrestler for a year. 305 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: Um So you find him when you go home and 306 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: just spike a football in his face every time you 307 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: see him. I know, we laugh about it. He was 308 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: he was, you know, and honestly he was making the 309 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: right argument. It's not like I couldn't have also kept 310 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: you know, gaining and everything. It was just I felt 311 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: like it was what I wanted to do, and I 312 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: actually really committed to it. I had a friend that 313 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: I had, a friend, Brian Klakota, who like way, was 314 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: way more mature than me. He was a year older 315 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: than me and and he was going off to play 316 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: in college. So we just worked out every day for 317 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: like two and a half hours after school every day, 318 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: and I just I kept growing vertically. But then I 319 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: just I got a lot bigger and I came back 320 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: by the time I was a senior, just like like 321 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: a like a little man child, you know. Um So 322 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: I played really well my senior in high school, but 323 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: my coach was not long for the coaching profession and 324 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: he was kind of out to lunch. So after he 325 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: got fired at the end of a high school season, 326 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: you know, I'd gotten like all county or all whatever 327 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: that was all league, but nothing nothing really, not all 328 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: how a lot of athletes. Um this, this other kid, 329 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: Sean O'Day and I went into his office while we 330 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: were working out one day, this is the end of 331 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: the football season and year senior year, year, okay, and 332 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: we saw a bunch of these questionnaires from colleges laying 333 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: on the table, like unopened. The envelopes were unopened. So Sean, 334 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: Sean and I don't be serious, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, nothing. Ever, 335 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: nobody'd ever shown anything to anybody. So Sean and I 336 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: were like, well, what do you think and they're like, 337 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: I know, it's not it's it's not. We just won't 338 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: sign any names to it. We'll just fill them out. 339 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: So we filled out these questionnaires to different colleges that 340 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: we were interested in, and you know, they're all pretty 341 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: much local and regional, like Nyiria. The country didn't get 342 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: recruited a whole lot at all. So and a bunch 343 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: of people in my family had gone to Cornell and 344 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: I had, I had, I had really good grades, but 345 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: then I had a rough stretch in high school that 346 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: knocks me down out of like the top the top 347 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: five in my class. Road have you So, but I 348 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: was like, you know, I mean, I'll just fill one 349 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: out for Cornell and UM. It did like the the 350 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: appraisal of the player and everything. Didn't sign it, but 351 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: just send it off to Cornell and UM. And and 352 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: then like two weeks later, I get a call while 353 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: I'm in class and it was a coach from Cornell 354 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: was there kind of doing a tour of my area 355 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: and he wanted to watch some film. So he calls 356 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: me down, we sit, and I could tell, like, I 357 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 1: don't think he was thinking much of me, but then 358 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 1: when I walked in the door, he could tell that 359 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: I was a big kid, and h you know, he 360 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: asked who I'd been looking at it as a bunch 361 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: of local Division three schools. So he's like another coach 362 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: is coach to Stefano. He's still a good friend of 363 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: mine to this day, and he's like, oh, coach's Italian guy. 364 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: Let's take a look at Let's see what you got. 365 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: So I put a tape in from one of my 366 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: games and I could kind of tell, like I didn't 367 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: have a whole lot of confidence about it, but I 368 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: could kind of tell about like five six plays into it, 369 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: and it was we were watching this game of me 370 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: versus East Rochester, and I remember this game. It was 371 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: it was like I was like it was like I 372 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: was a barbarian sacking of village of peasants. I was 373 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: just like picking people up and throwing them around, like 374 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: us in that offensive tackle into the running back and 375 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: then yeah, yeah, and uh and I remember coach just 376 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: be like okay, okay, so well you're uh so who's 377 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: talking to you? Did you say? And uh? Like I 378 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: don't know, it's just University of Rochester Hobart Like go, okay, um, 379 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: well hey listen, um, what do you what are you 380 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: doing next weekend? Do you you want to come take 381 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: a visit? And it kind of like yeah, yeah, no, 382 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: no problem, coach. I was just like, ah, just a 383 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: babe in the woods, not really knowing much about anything. Um. 384 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: So then like a couple of weeks, I kind of 385 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: they put it, started putting on a full court press, 386 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: and uh my, my test scores were good enough to 387 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: get in and everything it helped to it. Like Cornell 388 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: is the only Ivy League school that also has an 389 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: AGG school, and it's kinda so it helped me get 390 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: in there that I had an agricultural background because there's 391 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: fewer and fewer kids that do, so I was able 392 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: to like between football and AGG school, they were able 393 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: to overlook the one semester that I had um dropped 394 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: out of school and driven to Florida and uh and 395 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: uh and uh and uh and and and contemplated working 396 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: on a fishing boat for a few weeks. I want 397 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: to get into that, but we don't have time for that. 398 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe the next time you come on this one, 399 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: but you go to Cornell things go well there. But 400 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: how eye opening and experience was that for you, just 401 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: socially and academically and everything and being around um, the 402 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: you know, the high high achievers that you were around. 403 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: Then yeah, it really UM. I think when you when 404 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,719 Speaker 1: you can go to a school that's got, you know, 405 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: really tough admission standards like that, I don't know how 406 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: much better the actual education itself is. I mean, there's 407 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: really good professors everywhere, you know, and there's good the 408 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: knowledge is the knowledge is the knowledge of the books 409 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: of the books. UM. The part that is really cool 410 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: is I think you do kind of get exposed to 411 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: these different types of kids that come from really different backgrounds. 412 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 1: So A, you learn just how a lot of your 413 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: you know, preconceptions or prejudices or beliefs about kids from 414 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: this area or that area or whatever you have from 415 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 1: growing up, UM are really off. But then b too, 416 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: I think you just kind of get to learn to 417 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: respect different types of achievement and different types of um 418 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: I guess, different types of intelligence because you got kids 419 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: that are math geniuses, UM, and you've got kids that 420 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: are you know, artistic geniuses, and like so much you're 421 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: superior in such a vast way that, yeah, you learn 422 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: a certain humility, I think, or at least hopefully that's 423 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 1: the way it should work out. Like, And I can 424 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: just remember kind of being baffled by like how smart 425 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: a person could be, like because I tried to I 426 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: tried to get out and partake of a lot of 427 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,959 Speaker 1: different things and you know, meet people that I wouldn't 428 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: have ordinarily that so that part of it was really 429 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: like eye opening to the broader world. So what were you? 430 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: Was it like it in the scene in Pitch Perfect 431 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: on the first day when they're all going around and 432 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: filling out, like for the extracurriculars, and you did you 433 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 1: join a bunch of extracurriculars in addition to football? Where 434 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: I mean, was it? Oh yeah for a little while, 435 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: but then it turned to okay, yeah, I'm painting. I'm 436 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: painting the more impressive picture of myself than it actually was. 437 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: I'm just what I mean to say is that, yeah, 438 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: I ended up going to a lot of different bars 439 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: where I met a lot of different people, and you know, 440 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: you joined the Ogami Club, and um no, but there 441 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: was well, there were yeah, like there are a couple 442 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: of different like charitable organizations that I was lucky enough 443 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: to be a part of that. We're also kind of 444 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: like social club type of things. UM, So you kind 445 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: of mixed both of those worlds. And that's where I like, 446 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: honestly the biggest culture shock for me there at that 447 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: type of school was, Um, I was just around I 448 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 1: was around like really rich people for the first time 449 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: in my life. UM, because I've been around really poor 450 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: people a good chunk because I was you know, we were. 451 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: But part of it was growing up like in like 452 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 1: barefoot poor in North Carolina for like a certain stretch 453 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: of time. And then and then I've been around you know, 454 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: like like people in the suburbs, and I've been around 455 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: people in the country and everything. But like that whole 456 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: environment of like prep school, ultra elite rich kids, and 457 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: I think that's like of all the prejudices that I 458 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: might have had as a young man, I was really 459 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 1: like I had like a chip on my shoulder about 460 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: rich kids, and it was really it was it was 461 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: kind of cool to see that. Yeah, sometimes those stereotypes 462 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: are true. Um. And sometimes just like in any other 463 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: walk of life, like the people can be bastards. Um. 464 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 1: But then a lot of times, like a lot of 465 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: my preconceptions or misconceptions about successful people UM or wealthy 466 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: people or anything like that, we're just way out of 467 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: line h and kind of that that they're like. It was. 468 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: It was one of those ways of like really learning 469 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: to judge people um with by while stripping away all 470 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: their appearances. So I think a lot of times we 471 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: think of like, you know, not judging yeah, like not 472 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: judging somebody that's um, not judging that somebody that's poor, 473 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 1: or judging somebody by a lack of something UM. But 474 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: I was really like I was a complete hypocrite when 475 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: it came to like judging people for like otherwise beneficial things. 476 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 1: I was real like, I was really kind of a 477 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: jerk about it. Yeah I've heard your I've heard your tails, 478 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: you know, in the car talking about what was it 479 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: people that vacation or people that didn't have to work, 480 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: And you're like, I guess growing up you'd heard oh yeah, yeah, No. 481 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: I I just felt like, yeah, I thought teachers were rich. 482 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: I thought so it was that if you had a family, 483 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: if you were a kid and both your parents were 484 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: teachers and you owned an RV, I thought you were 485 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: loaded because you got to like you went down vacation 486 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: in the summer and everything. So yeah, it's just a 487 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: good life right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was Tyler Tilling. 488 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: I thought like I was like, oh, man, Tyler is 489 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: Richt's what are his parents? They're both teachers. Okay. I've 490 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: known a lot of teachers in my day. None of 491 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: them are rich, at least not for the teaching part, 492 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: unless they were doing something nefarious. But that wasn't me, 493 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: or my parents or all my parents friends or a 494 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: lot of my friends. That just wasn't the case. All right, 495 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: let's hear a little bit more from our guys. Seth 496 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: Payne coming up next right here on Texans All Access 497 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: Exens All Access Exen's All Access Excellence. All. Hey, what's 498 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: up everybody? Walking back to a Tuesday edition of Texas 499 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: All Access from the Hounday Texans Radio Studio. I'm your host, 500 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: John Harris, and I had promised this show last week 501 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: this where are they now? With Seth Payne? But I 502 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 1: mess it up. But there's always time to rectify mistake, 503 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: and that's what I'm doing tonight. Drew Dorty a chance 504 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: to catch up with Seth Payne. It was awesome, and 505 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: I debated whether, like rad play a segment. No, man, 506 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: this is really good, I mean all the way through. 507 00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: So I figured, you know what, let's make a show 508 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: out of it. Here's part two. Drew Doherty Seth Payne 509 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: talking where are they now? Right here in Texas? All Access? 510 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: Let's go all right? So you you wind up getting 511 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: drafted by the Jacksonville Jaguars. And kind of the overriding 512 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 1: thing over the last few years that I've gathered from 513 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 1: you is you have a deep respect for Tom Coughlin 514 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: despite some of the kind of old school, maybe questionably 515 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: dumb stuff that he did as a coach, But you 516 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: still respect because he was a winner. He did wind 517 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: up winning and he I mean, he was a really 518 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: impressive cook. Am I off base in that? Or is that? 519 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: I think that? I think in a lot of ways, 520 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: players who have played for Tom Coughlin as they get 521 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: older kind of respect him the same way you might 522 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: respect a disciplinarian father, where when you're growing up, you 523 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: might just you know, you might feel like you hate 524 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: him because he's so tough on you. And then you 525 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: get older and you start to realize, like, Okay, there's 526 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: a different side to him, and you understand why he 527 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,959 Speaker 1: does the things he does and why he is so 528 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,360 Speaker 1: tough on you. And and then part of it too 529 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: is that Cofflin and I grew up in the same 530 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: area of the country, you know, an upstate Western New York, 531 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: where the best way I can describe it is it's 532 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: like upstate, like the Finger Lakes region in Western New 533 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: York is more like West Texas than it is New 534 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: York City. Like it's very See I've lived in West 535 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: Texas too. I lived in Lubbock, So that's not not 536 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: topography wise, it's just you know, it's like, yeah, it's 537 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 1: like it's a lot more rural and a lot of 538 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: respects um and it's uh it. But but it's also 539 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: cloudy all the damn time. And because of it, I 540 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,479 Speaker 1: think people kind of get kind of cynical about stuff 541 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: and and sometimes are like just just kind of grumpy, 542 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: but not in not in an aggressive way like you 543 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: might find in New York City or Boston or something. 544 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: They're just kind of grumpy about stuff and they're gonna 545 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: like they're gonna find the negative side of of anything, 546 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: which ultimately, you know, it resolves itself and everything. But 547 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: they're always just kind of looking for the downside of something, 548 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 1: and it serves Coughlin well because as a coach, it's 549 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: like that's what coaches do. It is like they're just 550 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: constantly looking for like, Okay, yeah, well we won, but 551 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: this part really sucked. So you're never gonna ignore in 552 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: victory what you would address and defeat and which is 553 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: something that Jeff Van Gundi, who was also from my 554 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: region of the country said so good. People, by the way, 555 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: love Jeff van Gundy. A lot of kids from a 556 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 1: lot of kids listening might not realize that when Jeff 557 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: van Gundy was a coach, he was a grumpy, soob 558 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: just like Tom Coughlin. Like this whole like fun, loving 559 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: Rosie side of Jeff Van Gundhi that didn't emerge until 560 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: he got into broadcasting after coach. That's been the coolest 561 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: thing because I've I've run into him a few times. 562 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: He's a Texans fan and he's he knows, he knows 563 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: the franchise. I mean, he's he's got a zillion great 564 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: stories and I mean, yeah, I've had a lot of 565 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: fun talk with him. I did not know that about 566 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: Coughlin and him being near you, is it how close 567 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: to like Cooperstown in Utica where it's like a ways away, 568 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: that's a few hours over that's like over central part 569 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: of Albany than we are. Yeah, I think Utica. Yeah, 570 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: it's on the way to just take that. So like 571 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: Jeff Van Gundy's from I think he's from Rockport originally 572 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: got just like a little suburb of Rochester. Tom Coffins 573 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: from Waterloo, which is way out but a suburb kind 574 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: of a Rochester for like an hour away, And like 575 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: I'm smacked that between those two. All right, For those 576 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: of you listening, this is Seth Payne. We're talking with 577 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: original Texan and it's kind of one of those things. 578 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: This is not the most comprehensive conversation with Seth. It's 579 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: kind of like we're skipping a stone. It's hitting the 580 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: water a few different spots, and we're picking up little 581 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: points in Seth's life. Maybe we can do this again. 582 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: I hope I'd like to do this again. But you 583 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: want right now? Man? Yeah? Well, you go to the Texans. 584 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: I mean you're in that expansion draft and that first year, 585 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: the first few years rough, but geez, you guys had 586 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: some damn good defenses that you were a part of. 587 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: I mean, do you look back at those years and 588 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: think we really kind of things got squandered, you know, 589 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: like that those defenses were on kind of got squandered 590 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: because of what was going on just the growth that 591 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: needed to happen offensively. Yeah, it was. That was It's 592 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,959 Speaker 1: a shame because sometimes when I look back over the 593 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: um like the stats from two thousand and two, where 594 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: like if you look at DVOA or some of those things, 595 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: we were respectable. But and I like I say this 596 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: without like trying to criticize the offense right right, And 597 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,959 Speaker 1: that wasn't my meaning either. I don't know about how 598 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: good you guys were. Yeah, yeah, I guess, but because 599 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: the offense had six rookies starting on it, like it 600 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: was just it was a bad offense, but it was 601 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: through no fault of the guys on the Like Chester 602 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: Pitts was gonna end up being a really good offensive tackle, 603 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: but he was one of six rookies starting on that 604 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: team at the time, um in including the quarterback, which 605 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: is almost like having three rookies starting. So that part 606 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: of it kind of you know, skewed the defensive stats 607 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: because we were out on the field so much. But yeah, 608 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: those those guys is that I got the play on 609 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: on that defense. It was really it was really some 610 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: of my favorite times playing football because because a there 611 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: were a lot of guys that were just super professional 612 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: that just played their butts off that knew a whole 613 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: lot about football. But then b you take those guys 614 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: and there was a lot of pressure on us to 615 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: just be like we had to be the reason we're 616 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: gonna win football games. Yeah, it was if we were 617 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: gonna win, it was gonna be ten to seven or 618 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: thirteen to three or something like. It was it was 619 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: gonna be a close, hard fought game, or like in 620 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: the case of that Steelers game that year, we were 621 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: gonna have created four turnovers and scored twice on defense. 622 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: So um, like I like, I think there were various 623 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: times when I was playing nose tackle in a three 624 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: four and that was the first time I'd ever played 625 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: that position. And the thing is, like a lot of 626 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: times people will they'll heap so much praise on a 627 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: nose tackle for being underappreciated that I feel like sometimes 628 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: you end up being over appreciated. They'll say, like there's 629 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: so many articles written about like, well, this guy's underappreciated. 630 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: Like how many I've got like eight different headlines of 631 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: me being underappreciated. I kind of feel like because because 632 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: the theory is like, oh, okay, well the nose tackles 633 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: taking up a lot of space and helping out the 634 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: linebackers behind them. The other side of that equation in 635 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: a three four defense is that the linebackers behind you 636 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: are taking a lot of a heat off of you 637 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: as a nose tackle. So like when when I had 638 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: over those first couple of years, um, Jay Foreman and 639 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: Jamie Sharper, uh really at times, two guys who gobbled 640 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: up tackles. Yeah, guys like they were old school inside 641 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: linebackers that just came up and filled the hole and 642 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: weren't afraid to take on guards like they would. Very 643 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: few linebackers take on guards these days, like really take 644 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: on guards, And those two guys like did it that 645 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: old school way. So I kind of just I just 646 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: felt really lucky to play with guys like that who 647 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: were just super professional about their business in a way 648 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: that um that some guys frankly aren't. And like, I 649 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: don't want to start going through the list because I'll 650 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: forget people, but there are a lot of guys like that. 651 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: And then you know, and Gary Walker and I got 652 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: to end up playing together as teammates for a total 653 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: of gosh, I think seven years. That's rare, especially two 654 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: teams like that. I mean that's rare. Yeah, and he's 655 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: another guy that like. I always noticed the difference between 656 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: if Gary was in the game, it wasn't as physically 657 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: painful because he soaked up a lot of double teams. 658 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: Gary left, it was like, oh, well, let's pick on 659 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: somebody else now, and it was like football was a 660 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: way more painful game. Okay, properly appreciated, underappreciated, over appreciated, 661 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: whatever the level of appreciation. I have noticed. I've been 662 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: with the Texans since oh nine, I have noticed that 663 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: you can't say you know what to the nose tackle 664 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: in the locker room that because like, nobody's gonna make 665 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: like that. Everyone has respect for the nose tackle. Oh 666 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: there was you, whether Sean Cody, whether it was or 667 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: uh not, I was gonna say, h DJ reader pick it. 668 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: I mean, everybody loves respects and just gives it up 669 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: for the nose tackles. Yeah, you guys seem to have 670 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,760 Speaker 1: like a kinship too over the years. It's another cool 671 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: part of it. Um, I'm glad you said it actually 672 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: that way too, because well, for for one, yeah, Gary, 673 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: Gary never stopped messing with me, So there's that. But um, 674 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: I think that the thing about playing nose tackle, that's 675 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: really cool because again I hadn't really I had never 676 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: played that position in a three or four before. Is 677 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: it like everybody sees it, Like everybody sees the abuse, 678 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: the physical abuse that you've taken, and a lot of 679 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: times guys don't realize it, um until they're watching and 680 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: you're in a team meeting, and you know, usually defensive 681 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: coordinators are really good about pointing it out when somebody 682 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 1: makes tackle for a loss, but the nose tackle is 683 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: like upside down soaking up three three offensive linemen. Uh, 684 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: It's like they'll point it out. And that was always 685 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: Actually one of my other favorite things playing in a 686 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: three four for the Texans was when one of the 687 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: defensive backs would say something to me like after like 688 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: if I made a play after getting combo blocked or 689 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: something like that, When the defensive backs compliment you and 690 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: you could tell that they noticed it, like well they 691 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,240 Speaker 1: were watching, Um, sometimes you can really hear it across 692 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: from the hall when they get super excited about something 693 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 1: and then somebody will duck their head in and uh 694 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: it sound like Danja Robinson will duck their head in. 695 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: Like in the middle of our meeting. They were like, 696 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: damn Gary, like we just we just saw you do whatever. 697 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: And that part's really cool. So when you when you 698 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: get earned the respect of the defensive backs who were 699 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, got their whole host of issues to worry about, 700 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: that that part's really cool. All right. We got one 701 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: final segment of this Seth Pain where they now retrospective 702 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,240 Speaker 1: and of course Seth has retired and he returned to Houston, 703 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: and I feel like I was a little bit of 704 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 1: a part of that because of twenty eleven, while Seth 705 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 1: was still living in New York, he would join me 706 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: and a and a friend of mine on the air 707 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 1: every single Monday to talk about the Texans and I 708 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: always loved it. And then it was about six to 709 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: eight months later Seth Pain got into Houston radio and 710 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: created a legend for himself. What was that Like, We'll 711 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,439 Speaker 1: do that next right here at Texans All Access. It's 712 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: All Access Welcome Act. This final segment of a Tuesday 713 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: edition of Texans All Access. I'm your host, John Harris, 714 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: football analysts to silot reporter for your Houston Texans and 715 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: an IVY League graduate. Like our subject this evening, Seth Pain, 716 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: we did a little where are they now? And by we, 717 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: I mean Drew Doherty did a great job talking with 718 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: Seth about many things. But now it's retirement time. And well, 719 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: for those of you listen to six ten, you know 720 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: exactly where Seth is. But Drew wanted to talk about 721 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: that a little bit further. So here we go, Seth 722 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: Pain in retirement? What was it like retirement? I mean, 723 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 1: I know everyone has not everyone, but many have their 724 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: struggles when the game's over. You've obviously flourished, you know, 725 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: but you did a lot of stuff before or in 726 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: between leaving the Texans and getting on the radio. What 727 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: was that that period? Like were you because I remember 728 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,839 Speaker 1: you telling me you ran some marathons and I was like, yeah, 729 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: I mean stupid. What was life like for a little bit? 730 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, it was, um, you know what. 731 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: This is what I discovered, and this is what I 732 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: tell guys is that I actually had a pretty good 733 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: plan for what I wanted to do. But about a 734 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: year and a half into it, I realized that I 735 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 1: didn't like any of the things I was planning on 736 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: doing when I was playing, so or the things that 737 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: I had planned out in terms of a couple of 738 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: the businesses I was involved in and what I was 739 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: doing on a daily basis, um just wasn't really actually 740 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: what I enjoyed doing. So I always try to tell guys, 741 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: you know, to be to have a plan and have options, 742 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: but to just to anticipate and expect that there might 743 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: be some malaise is you really try to figure out 744 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: exactly what you want to do, because you never really know. 745 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,839 Speaker 1: You can do stuff in the off season and try 746 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: it out, but you never really know until you're until 747 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: you're in it. And I think for me, probably like 748 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 1: without going into too much detail, I think one thing 749 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: that happened was when when you're a player, sometimes you know, 750 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's drilled into your head to play for 751 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: so many things other than money that you should like 752 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: you want to care about things because the money is 753 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: already there, Like as soon as you're in the NFL, 754 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: you're making more money than probably anybody in your family 755 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: has ever made. Before, so the money's already there. So 756 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: if you're using money as a motivator, it fades really 757 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: really quickly, So you got to find other things that 758 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: motivate you. And I think that the one big revelation 759 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: I kind of had when I was done playing was 760 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: that I was doing a lot of things that I 761 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,359 Speaker 1: thought were good, things that I thought were you know, 762 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: productive and good for society after I was done. But 763 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,240 Speaker 1: that also I just like, I like earning a paycheck. 764 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: Like I started, like I was lucky. I grew up 765 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 1: in a farm where my family paid me from a 766 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: very early age work and I kind of like just 767 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,279 Speaker 1: from a young age I was earning a I was 768 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 1: earning a paycheck, or I was at least getting money 769 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: after I would help pay and everything because um, and 770 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: the part of it for me was just like I 771 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 1: just got to get back to just earning a paycheck 772 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: and like and working, um like not a real job 773 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 1: because I don't feel like I have a real job now. Um, 774 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 1: but there's uh like there's a whole lot of dignity 775 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: and honor and just going out and earning a paycheck. Um. 776 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 1: And then sometimes I think we're bombarded with so many 777 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: with so many ted talks and motivational slogans and everything 778 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: else these days that I think people people get to 779 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: the point where they almost feel guilty or that they 780 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,879 Speaker 1: feel like it's not a worthy thing just to be 781 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: an earner and a provider, you know, like, but at 782 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,319 Speaker 1: the end of the day, that's really like, that's that's 783 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: the same as a few hundred years ago when you 784 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: were going out and you had to hunt and gather um, 785 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: you know, like that's that's your worth as a human 786 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: being is like keeping you and your other human beings alive. 787 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: So that's so I just I missed. I missed like 788 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 1: working a real job. So I try. I had to 789 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: go about finding a job that wasn't a real job, 790 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: but tell myself, it's a real job. And I landed 791 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,359 Speaker 1: on sports talk radio. Boy Seth said a lot in 792 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 1: this hour show, and that might have been the best thing. 793 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,400 Speaker 1: He said, Yes, sports talk radio where we all think 794 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 1: we work, but all we do is flap our gums. 795 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 1: A big, big, big thanks to Seth Payne, one of 796 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: the best guys you're gonna know, one of the original Texans, 797 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 1: and so glad that he sat down with my friend 798 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: Drew Doherty to talk about all of that this evening. 799 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: A big thanks to all of you involved in this show, 800 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: to Drew, to Seth of course, and to all of 801 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,240 Speaker 1: you for listening. Thank you so much. We'll see tomorrow 802 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,280 Speaker 1: and as always, go Texans.