1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Hi, sir. 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 2: My name is Maria and I'm with Ray. How are 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 2: you doing today? 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 3: We're told you you've lived here for a while. There 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 3: was a young man in twenty sixteen that was killed 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 3: on this block, and there's another gentleman who was an 7 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 3: activist who we're told may have also been killed that 8 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 3: same night. And I guess we were just trying to 9 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 3: figure out anyone around here remembers that when he's sixteen 10 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 3: September twenty sixteen. I think he was killed around one am. 11 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, like you really want to know like this, like 12 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 4: this gotta be a connection right here. 13 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 5: This guy, he lives right here, So I mean, what 14 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 5: do you know? 15 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 2: Actually, we've been to several other homes, and so you're 16 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: actually one of the last homes we've been to today 17 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 2: in all honesty. 18 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 4: Well, so I'm a podcast journalist and I'm a former 19 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 4: state Senator Maria Chappelle Nadal, and so we are doing. 20 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: A podcast about mysterious deaths that have occurred since the 21 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: person Uprising. And there's one gentleman in particular who has 22 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: been positioned here as a place that he was shot. 23 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 6: Not here. 24 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 5: I didn't know this. 25 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: Well, we do, We do appreciate all of your time, 26 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 2: and as I said, sir, I. 27 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 7: Just don't see how I fit into I just don't. 28 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 5: Know what I could say that would have helped you. Man, 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 5: I don't understood. I don't see I don't know how 30 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 5: I could happen. Well, thank you. 31 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 3: My name is Reyno Visselski. In twenty twenty one, I 32 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 3: produced and co hosted the first season of After the 33 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 3: Uprising with John Duffy. Across eleven episodes, we investigated the 34 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 3: hanging death of Donye Dion Jones, a young black man 35 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 3: from Saint Louis, Missouri. Donye's mother, Melissa mckinnis, was a 36 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 3: frontline activist during the uprising in fergus in twenty fourteen, 37 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 3: and she believed that her son had been murdered, despite 38 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 3: the police telling her that he died by suicide. You 39 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 3: don't have to listen to season one to follow this season, 40 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 3: but if you do, you'll get a lot of additional context. 41 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 3: In making season one, we became friends with former Missouri 42 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 3: state senator and state representative Maria Chappelle Nadal, who herself 43 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 3: took to the streets during the protests in Ferguson that 44 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 3: followed the killing of Mike Brown. 45 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 8: Junior. 46 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 3: Maria has joined our team as we investigate the death 47 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: of another man from Saint Louis, the well known activist 48 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,839 Speaker 3: Darren Seals, who was killed on September sixth, twenty sixteenthty two. 49 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: Right now, we're knocking on doors in the twenty eight 50 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 2: hundred block of Gamble Street, asking if anyone remembers a 51 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: shooting that happened six years prior. We're working a hunch 52 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: that this was the area where Darren was shot and killed, 53 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 2: despite the fact that his body was found nine miles 54 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: away in Riverview. As you heard, we didn't have much 55 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: sin access. 56 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 9: What you're looking for is the aftermath of the grand 57 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 9: jury deciding not to indict. 58 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 5: Off The. 59 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 4: Nine year old Darren Seals was murdered before his killer 60 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 4: set his car on fire. 61 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 9: Once they put out the flames, they discovered Seal's body 62 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 9: inside with a gunshop. 63 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 6: You want a gun on me? 64 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 10: Am I am I posing your other brothers focus of PD. 65 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 5: Grab you by my heart, slam me out the corn. 66 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 10: He says, you might want you might want to pick 67 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 10: your enemies better. 68 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 3: This is after The Uprising Season two, The murder of 69 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 3: Darren Seals. 70 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 6: Emergency nine and one Sinleis County at this emergency read 71 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 6: new important. 72 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 11: It's a fire my apartment line like this. 73 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 10: Car is on fire. 74 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 6: There's now there's a car on fire. 75 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 11: Yes, all right, stand the phone for the fire department. Okay, 76 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 11: they don't even hit the gas yet. 77 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 12: Fire name Amy. 78 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 11: Yes, I'm at. 79 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 13: Ninety six to forty din the drive and it's a 80 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 13: call on fire in my parking. 81 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 14: Line out on the Frankness Fund of ninety fifth party won. 82 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 6: The fire department pulled up there, that's see the fire, 83 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 6: let's see. 84 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 11: All right, well I'm anything. 85 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 2: This ninety one one call was made at one eighteen 86 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 2: am on September sixth, twenty sixteen. The apartment complex where 87 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: Jeep Wrangler was fully ablaze in the parking lot was 88 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: in Riverview, a small Saint Louis County municipality. When the 89 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: fire department arrived, they had no idea that when they 90 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: extinguished the blaze they would find the yearly burned body 91 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 2: of a man inside. The Riverview Police department is too 92 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: small to have a homicide unit, so they called in 93 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: the assistance of the Saint Louis County Police Department, which. 94 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: Took over the case. 95 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: They were quickly able to determine that the jeep belonged 96 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 2: to Darren Seals, but it would take several more hours 97 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: for them to confirm that it was his body left 98 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 2: inside the burning vehicle. Then the news of Darren's death 99 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 2: moved quickly across not only Saint Louis, but the world. 100 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 6: And night to Maria. 101 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 4: Residents say they've lost a voids an activist. During the 102 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 4: Ferguson unrest, twenty nine year old Darren Seals was murdered 103 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 4: before his killer set his. 104 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 8: Car on fire. 105 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 9: Seals was found shot inside a burning car in Riverview 106 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 9: on Diamond Drive. Police initially thought they were responding to 107 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 9: a car on fire. Someone who lives in the area 108 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 9: tells News Force she heard a boom before the car 109 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 9: was discovered burning. 110 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 3: Seal's charred body was found in the wreckage of his car. 111 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: Investigators say there's no known motive in the killing. 112 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 15: Seals, who was also a rap artist, frequently tweeted about racism, 113 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 15: police violence, and politics. 114 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: Darren having been a major figure in the Ferguson movement, 115 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,119 Speaker 2: not to mention his involvement in the local hip hop scene, 116 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: had become something of a celebrity, so his funeral was 117 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 2: a packed house event. After several heartfelt and fiery speeches, 118 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 2: the large crowd chanted his name, and passing cars honked 119 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 2: their horns as pallbearers carried his coffin from the church. 120 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 16: Zoozuzu. 121 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 2: Darren was a complicated man who, though he died at 122 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 2: the young age of twenty nine, had already lived a 123 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 2: complicated life, and the story of how and why he 124 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 2: came to be shot in the head and left in 125 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: a burning car is of that complexity. On his Twitter bio, 126 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 2: Darren described himself as quote businessman, revolutionary activist, unapologetically black, 127 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 2: all caps African in America. That's three k's in America. There, 128 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: fighter leader, but he was so much more. Depending on 129 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 2: who you ask. Darren was a son, a big and 130 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: little brother, an employee of General Motors, a convicted felon, 131 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: an artist, a protector. Again, Darren was complicated. I knew 132 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: Darren not well, but I had seen him out in 133 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 2: the streets of Ferguson during the protest that followed the 134 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 2: killing of Mike Brown Junior by Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson. 135 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: I remember him being fierce and brave. Darren explained how 136 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 2: he came to the protest. To filmmaker J Black on 137 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: his YouTube channel. 138 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 16: Pretty good, Now, how did you first start with the 139 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 16: organizing and mobilization and first and after white brown and. 140 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 10: Then he was murdered because he died so close to 141 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 10: my home. I just went out there, and I really 142 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 10: didn't even know what I was doing. 143 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 8: I just knew I wasn't going. 144 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 5: Nowhere until we did something body. 145 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 10: There was just people in the community coming together, a 146 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 10: small group of people, black men, black women. 147 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 5: We were trying to see what the hill was going on. 148 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 5: And I was he gunned down like that? 149 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 10: Yeah, we were just trying to check up on his 150 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 10: mom's And originally when it first had happened, I was, 151 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 10: of course I was concerned, but black mother just lost 152 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 10: her son. 153 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 5: But I walked her home and she cried to me. 154 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 5: She threw up, She was real sick. 155 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 10: She was just really just lost, you know, and she 156 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 10: didn't know what was gonna happen, what to do, And 157 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 10: I told her, I gave him my word. 158 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 5: I said, I'm not leaving. I'm not stopping until we 159 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 5: get justice. We're gonna figure out happening to the son. 160 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 14: Actually he was standing up on that ledge right up 161 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 14: by the brook sent Police Department and all of us 162 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 14: be out there. 163 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 6: We got our signs, we got everything. 164 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 14: And so I heard Dr Durne said, I tried to 165 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 14: tell you guys this last year when it happened to 166 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 14: Carrie Ball Junior. 167 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: So all of my family. 168 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 12: He turned around me like, who is this man. 169 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: This is Tony Taylor. She's the mother of Carrie Ball Junior, 170 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: the young black man who was shot twenty five times 171 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: by the Saint Louis Metropolitan Police after a high speed 172 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 2: chase back in twenty thirteen. She is describing meeting Darren 173 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: Seals for the first time during the Ferguson protests. 174 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 14: And so when he got down off the ledge, I 175 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 14: went over and I tapped him on his shoulder. 176 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 7: I was fitter saying, now, durn I'm carry's mom. 177 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 6: But he's seeing my poster. 178 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 7: So he instantly said you. 179 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: Carry his mother. 180 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 14: And it just blew up from her and he was like, 181 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 14: and everybody, you see the hand in the face because 182 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 14: it's like the police started trying to rush at us. 183 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 7: And he's like, no, that's up. 184 00:09:58,320 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 6: It's a mother. 185 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: And I just went grow like I told his mom. 186 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 6: I looked at him as like my son. 187 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 14: Him and carry was the same age. 188 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 2: They was born in the same year. 189 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 7: They just months apart. 190 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 14: It was an energie and then the things. 191 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 6: That he said to Carlos. 192 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 14: He was like, you still got a big brother. 193 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 2: Carlos is Carlos Ball, Carrie Ball's younger brother. He was 194 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: with his mother outside the Ferguson Police Department that night 195 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 2: when they heard Darren telling the crowd about Carrie. 196 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 5: He said, I was trying to tell y'all just having it. 197 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 6: Darren looked over and he saw her. 198 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 11: He was like, this is who I've been telling y'all 199 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 11: about carry Ball. 200 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 7: This is his mom. 201 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 15: Like if we just stood up like this neck last year, 202 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 15: like we're doing right now, we. 203 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 6: Probably wouldn't be here. 204 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 2: Carlos and Darren formed a close friendship that lasted the 205 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: rest of Darren's life. Carlos told us that Darren had 206 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 2: a lot of plans for how he thought he could 207 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: help uplift the community. 208 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 11: Darren was trying to come up. 209 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 15: With some type of like platform similar or what if 210 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 15: we sell news it now, but like incorporating music podcasts 211 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 15: a different stuff of their nature, but just getting our 212 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 15: true stories out. 213 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 3: He was trying to just create like our own platform 214 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 3: just for. 215 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 15: The people, bringing better people. 216 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 8: He was for his people. 217 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 3: He was for his people, and he was. 218 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 15: Literally the true essence of Malcolm xIC by any means necessary. 219 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 2: After Darren's murder, Tony Taylor met Darren's mother, Fannie, and 220 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 2: they formed a friendship. 221 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 14: I didn't meet his mother the first year after losing him. 222 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 14: I think I left her a year or two later, 223 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 14: but Darren had already had told me about his mom. 224 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 8: That you know, she was on dialysis. 225 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 14: She didn't really believe in the protests and then all 226 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 14: of that until she went out there one day and 227 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 14: singing for herself. Now that me and her as close up, 228 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 14: she called me that too. 229 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 5: She was like, I don't want my son out there. 230 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 6: She was like, I was so scared for him. But 231 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 6: do you know what, from the time that Durrance out 232 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 6: to those streets, he was confined and his love that 233 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 6: he knew the police was going to kill him, and 234 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 6: he was preparing, she said. 235 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 14: Mostly every day when they would talk, Darren would tell her, 236 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 14: all right, mam, I told you be prepared. They are 237 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 14: going to try to kill me. 238 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: More after the break. 239 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 8: Now back to the show, I do know that there 240 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 8: is a lot of sentiment in the community that they 241 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 8: want justice, they want the truth, and we hope to give. 242 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 4: That to them. 243 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 3: This is Benjamin Grande of the Saint Louis County Police 244 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 3: speaking to the media. 245 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 8: We can't do it alone, so we're hoping that friends, 246 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 8: family members, acquaintances, so or just any members of the 247 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 8: community can come forward and help us out with this 248 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 8: with any information they may have. 249 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 3: Also representing the Saint Louis County Police, Sergeant Sean Maguire 250 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 3: was more blunt. 251 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 8: At this point. 252 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 3: We don't have anything, and that's where we're at the 253 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 3: brick wall, you know, as we're waiting for evidence, we're 254 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 3: waiting for just clues. We were able to get the 255 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 3: incident report regarding Darren's death, but that didn't reveal much 256 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 3: beyond when the nine when one call came in and 257 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 3: where his burning car was found. So we called the 258 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 3: Saint Louis County Police to see if we could get 259 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 3: any further information. 260 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 17: So what are you looking for? And I'm trying to 261 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 17: pull up Darren zieals but I may not be spelling 262 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 17: it right. We get a lot of cases and this 263 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 17: doesn't jump out at me, So. 264 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, Yeah, so, and it was back in twenty sixteen, 265 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 3: and it seals seal even yeah, okay. 266 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 17: Even more so than it wouldn't stand out to me. 267 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 3: So okay, let's see s als. Yeah, it was in Riverview, 268 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 3: September sixth, twenty sixteen, burning jeep. 269 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 8: He was shot. 270 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 17: I vaguely remember that, all right. 271 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 3: And I also just wanted to call and introduce myself 272 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 3: because we had previously, I think on season one, when 273 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 3: we were looking at a different case. It was Sergeant Gronda, 274 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 3: who was I think in your position. 275 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 8: So I just wanted to kind of. 276 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 3: Call and say hi and let you know who we are. 277 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 3: I'm being extra polite because if you listen to season 278 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 3: one of our show, you'd know that our relationship with 279 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 3: the Saint Louis County Police wasn't the best, and I'm 280 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 3: trying to repair that. So there's no reason for them 281 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 3: to keep us from accessing information we might need to 282 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 3: solve Darren's case. The officer i'm speaking with, Sergeant Tracy Panis, 283 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 3: is new to the post, which fortunately gave us a 284 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 3: fresh start with the department. 285 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 17: Yes, now I've got this report opened up, and I 286 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 17: do remember this one. Yeah, we really this is still 287 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 17: an open and active investigation, so there's really nothing that 288 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 17: we can share in it unfortunately. So yeah, there's really 289 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 17: not much that we can do with it. I will 290 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 17: touch base with our the investigator, the detective on the 291 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 17: and make sure there's nothing new. 292 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 3: With the case still officially open, the police weren't going 293 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 3: to give us anything, so we began reaching out to 294 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 3: people who knew Darren and who'd gone to the scene 295 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 3: of his murder immediately after it happened. 296 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 7: I not only walked up the cars, but I had 297 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 7: knocked on doors also, and a lot of people were 298 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 7: scirted even say anything. I don't know why they were scared. 299 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 7: It was me and some other brothers that were walking 300 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 7: up and knocking on doors and walking up the cars, 301 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 7: and a lot of people who wasn't trying to talk 302 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 7: to us for real. 303 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: This is La La Moore. 304 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: She's an activist in Ferguson and she knew Darren based 305 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: on what she knew of his character. She had certain 306 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 2: suspicions about his killer. 307 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 7: Probablieve that whoever did it knew him, and Darren knew 308 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 7: them made him comfortable for them to pull it off 309 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 7: like that because Darren wouldn't go nowhere with nobody, no 310 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 7: random person that he don't know. I believe whoever it 311 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 7: was was close to him, because I ain't no way 312 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 7: you gonna let a stranger get in your car and 313 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 7: you just talking. 314 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 12: And do you think it's possible that there was an 315 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 12: infiltrator that was trying to corner Darren because he was 316 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 12: so visible. 317 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 7: Me personally, I think the police had something to do 318 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 7: with it because of the lack of them trying to 319 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 7: help find the killer or killers. You should have seen 320 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 7: the crime scene like everything was still there, like everything 321 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 7: was still down, shells, bullet shells and all that stuff 322 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 7: was still at the crime scene, either somebody close to 323 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 7: him or the police. Didy Darren was finna expault on 324 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 7: some police activities. He had got pulled over by FUCU, 325 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 7: said police department, and got down to the ground him. 326 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 2: They had looked this incident that Lala is referring to, 327 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: in which Darren was pulled over by the police, was 328 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 2: actually captured on video by a bystander who filmed it 329 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 2: with their phone. 330 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 13: So I'm out here and I guess it's considered Ferguson 331 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 13: right off of West Floyd saying, and they got one two, three, four, 332 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 13: five police like five six shit and jump out boys police. 333 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: Which wants to jump out? 334 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 10: Boy car. 335 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: I'm kind of good views here with a young deal over. 336 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 13: That is actually one of the Ferguson processes that they got. 337 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:45,959 Speaker 13: Regardless of whatever happened, one black man and eight police officers, 338 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 13: some that even jump out. 339 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 2: After the police left, Darren came over to the person 340 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: who had been filming to give his account to the camera. 341 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 10: Now I'm getting my version. Now we uprad the Dalas 342 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 10: Center on West FLOYDSA. It's me and my baby brother, 343 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 10: a ten years old. So we turned in some paperwork 344 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 10: for my mother. She's in the hospital right now. As 345 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 10: I'm pulling off, I get pulled over right here. They 346 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 10: pulled out point the guns at me. You've seen the 347 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 10: whole thing, right they pointing the whole They pointed guns 348 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 10: on me and my in, my fourteen year old though 349 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 10: brotherers focusing PD. 350 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 5: They pulling. 351 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 10: They pulled guns on me and my little butler. They 352 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 10: run to the car, They pull them out, grab you 353 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 10: by my heart, slamm me out the car, pull me 354 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 10: in cuffs, search my car illegally without my permission. Yeah, 355 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 10: I have no I gave them no permission to search 356 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 10: my vehicle. I told them they don't have consent to 357 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 10: search my vehicle. They searched my vehicle anyway. Then they 358 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 10: pulled me off the ground. They making costs of detective. 359 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 10: The detectives come that searched my car, say it stepping 360 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 10: in there. They say, did you go to the Trump rally? 361 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 10: I said yeah. He said, you pull some shit about 362 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 10: TRUP on Facebook. I said yeah. I said, what's that illegal? 363 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 6: Now? 364 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 10: He said no, that's nothing wrong with that, but you 365 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 10: might want to you might want to pick your enemies better. 366 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 10: I said, what do you mean by that? 367 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 18: He said, uh. 368 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 5: Some people quote unquote called. 369 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 10: In and said, I slank a lot of dog so 370 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 10: I make a lot of money and I post this 371 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 10: against Trump. I said, this bullshit. Everyone who followed my 372 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 10: page knows I worked fucking sixty days a week. 373 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 6: Right, what drug deal? 374 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 10: You know? Gonna be a public activist, you know what 375 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 10: I'm saying. 376 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 5: So this ain't about to do enough drug. This is 377 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 5: about they're trying to pump fear into us. 378 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 10: Young black man who got who got barred to stand there, 379 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 10: but against people like Trump, people like here llar Me, 380 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 10: people like all these motherfuckers. I'm hot bro thinking about 381 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 10: my brother. Man, I shit got me so fucking hot 382 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 10: man that shit't put a gun in a. 383 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 5: Fourteen year old face like like like it ain't nothing. 384 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 5: I ain't even mad about me though. 385 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 10: They put a fucking gun in my brother's face and 386 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 10: putt him in the cuffs like he's a fucking nigga, 387 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 10: my little brother, like nobody's nigga. Cause they know I 388 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 10: don't play this shit. They know more than one's gonna 389 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 10: stand up. But you can keep on. Fuck on me, 390 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 10: bab They're about to kill me for me to stop. 391 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 10: Ain't no bitch that what they that what they gonna learn. 392 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 5: I ain't. 393 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: I ain't the one. I don't for nothing, on for death, 394 00:19:58,320 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: on for noneing. 395 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 2: Because of this incident and others like it, and because 396 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 2: of everything Darren had been writing on his social media 397 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 2: pages right before his death, there was a growing suspicion 398 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: in the community and online that the police had something 399 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: to do with his murder. 400 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 16: Activist Darren Seals, one of the original members that God 401 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 16: the Ferguson Uprising started, was found executed. Now. The reason 402 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 16: why we say he was executed is because we're going 403 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 16: to leak out the details of how this brother was killed. 404 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 16: This man was shot, put in a vehicle, and the 405 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 16: car was torched. That's not how your average thug, at 406 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 16: least black ones operate. That's someone they wanted to kill 407 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 16: him and destroy DNA evidence. Now, this man also stated 408 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 16: he was stopped by police twenty seven times. You have 409 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 16: a kind of an idea made. Who has something to 410 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 16: do with it. We're not saying that's what happened, but 411 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 16: a lot of people starting to get that idea all 412 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 16: over social media. We're seeing a pattern here. 413 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 12: Do you think there's some movement people and police working together. 414 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 7: We still don't know, because when they lock us up 415 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 7: for all our foss tap, when I tell you our 416 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 7: foss tap were prying to echo Facebook. We didn't trust nothing. 417 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 7: We didn't trust nothing and nobody. If you weren't out 418 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 7: there with us getting tick gas you, we didn't trust you. 419 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 7: But we did have fun that we thought was working 420 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 7: with the figs. I'm gonna leave them nameless. 421 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 12: They didn't get. 422 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 7: Far because we wouldn't talking around them. My other brother, 423 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 7: mye ain't not brother, he's dead too. 424 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: Now, So. 425 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 7: Well, we still don't know. 426 00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 12: Well, oh lord, well I hope I do not upset you. 427 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 12: I hope I didn't upset you on that. 428 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 7: This is a difficult situation to talk about because both 429 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 7: of these people was strong. 430 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 6: People, my brothers. 431 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 16: They deserve to be here, and we. 432 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 7: Lose and ferguson front liners like left and right, and 433 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 7: nobody is trying to investigate about what is going on, 434 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 7: like ain't no way dar Ain't got shot in the 435 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 7: head and then burned up. They assassin in him, and 436 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 7: I really believe is somebody close to him or the 437 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 7: police did because they're not trying to investigate. They're not 438 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 7: trying to figure out what happened to them. They're not 439 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 7: trying to do nothing about their steals murder. You should 440 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 7: have seen the crime scene, like everything was still there, 441 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 7: like everything was still there. 442 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 12: They didn't they didn't. 443 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 7: Put you know how when police is put it like 444 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 7: uh what the uh yeah they put and what numbers 445 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 7: on shells, bullet shells, all that stuff was still at 446 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 7: the crime thing. 447 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 2: What Lala is saying about the messy crime scene and 448 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 2: the bullet shells being left in place on the parking 449 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: lot was repeated by other activists and well documented by 450 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 2: the photographs they took and posted online. Reviewing those photographs, 451 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 2: one can see that the door to Darrens burn jeep 452 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: was left behind, and there's debris everywhere. That includes the 453 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 2: blue latex gloves the police investigators would have worn, and 454 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 2: that they seemingly left lane on the parking lot. 455 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 6: Like the same was just everywhere, like people couldn't tamper 456 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 6: with the evidence, and it was shellcases on the ground 457 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 6: like he was picking it up, and like the yellow 458 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 6: tape crime scene tape was you know, all over the 459 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 6: ground on and people was can't remember with everything. 460 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 11: I find you on Instagram with one of the bullets. 461 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 6: But you can tell that the cops really didn't care, 462 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 6: you know, about his death. 463 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 5: That's why, like a lot of people. 464 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 6: Had their theories on what happened to him, you know, 465 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 6: if the cops doing was it some old street big. 466 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 2: This is Bodine, a Saint Louis rapper and friend of Darren's. 467 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 2: I asked him what he loved about Darren and why 468 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 2: he thought he was such an important figure in the movement. 469 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 6: When I first met him, I had met him at 470 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 6: a show. He had already knew of me, but he 471 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 6: had introduced himself. He just had a real big personality, 472 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 6: like he's like, hey man, I'm seals meet too. He 473 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,959 Speaker 6: just had a real, like big personality and but at 474 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 6: the same time it was like welcome men. 475 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 5: You can tell just. 476 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 6: By his like presence and how he carried him of that. 477 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 6: He was like a strong brother and like he was 478 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 6: a He was a man's man. He gonna get respect, 479 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 6: but he's not gonna take disrespect. He just had that 480 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 6: type of attitude, you know what I mean. He just 481 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 6: had a real confidence about himself. He wasn't scared to 482 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 6: speak his mind. If he felt you were being found. 483 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 6: If he can't agree with what you was, you know, 484 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 6: moving how he was moving, He's gonna call you out, 485 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 6: whether you were homie or just a you know, a 486 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 6: regular Joe or somebody random. He don't come you out 487 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 6: if he felt that, you know, you wasn't authentic. 488 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: In short time, Daron and Voting became close. 489 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 6: He invited me and my brother to a Sunday dinner 490 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 6: with his mother. I met his mom, met his little brother. 491 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:47,479 Speaker 12: You know what I mean. 492 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 6: So like family was important, you know what I'm saying. 493 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 6: To like him, like if he really rock with you, 494 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 6: you know, he treated you like family and that translated 495 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 6: through the you know, the movement piece as well. He 496 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 6: was really one of the few people who could connect 497 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 6: with the street guys and just the everyday people, and 498 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 6: people would take what he said as the real deal 499 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 6: in regards to police brutality and what's going on out 500 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 6: there during that time, because he was also once out 501 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 6: in the streets, you know, living that lifestyle. 502 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: Now here's my next question. Do you think it was 503 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: possibly gang related? 504 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 7: Don't? 505 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 5: I don't know. 506 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 6: It might have maybe from my knowledge just had a 507 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 6: conversation with him. He wasn't involved in that lifestyle anymore, 508 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 6: but it could have been an old beef. I like, 509 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 6: think what change his life around to make him do better? 510 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 6: He got shot, He got shot a couple of times, 511 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 6: and he almost you know, he got shot like five, 512 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 6: five or six times, and that. 513 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 11: Changed his life. 514 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 2: In twenty thirteen, while waiting outside a family member's house 515 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 2: on Fourteenth Street in Saint Louis, Dary was shot six times. 516 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 2: After he recovered, he went before the Saint Louis Board 517 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 2: of Aldermen to complain about the treatment he'd received from 518 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 2: the Saint Louis City police, who'd arrived unseeen out. 519 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 18: Of the fuck we set up to the scene. Thirty 520 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 18: five forty minutes later. They had no curtesy forgetting me, 521 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 18: any type of letter, what test, any type of health, 522 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 18: nothing like the only. 523 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 11: The sound was who robs? Who shots? 524 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 14: Who is? 525 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 3: And they asked me about three forty four times? 526 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 5: So I said it or you wanted to? 527 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 18: He asked me about when he shot. 528 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 5: At me white, you don't want to do some help? 529 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 5: I won't let him die. He said exact words I called. 530 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 5: We don't need to damn any die. It wasn't just 531 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 5: three white cops. It was a black hawkster. So I'm 532 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 5: gonna fix two hundred dollars a week of my aren't money. 533 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 5: I need some holies to get it. 534 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 3: Dam I'm gonna die. 535 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 11: That's what you know. 536 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 6: Made him become the man we seem to today. Was 537 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 6: like being out there and fighting for the people and everything. 538 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 2: I wanted to know what Booting thought about the fact 539 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 2: that Darren's car and body were set on fire after 540 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 2: he was shot. To me, it seemed so unusual for 541 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 2: a typical street level killing. 542 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 5: We heard the. 543 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 6: Story on the news. The man said that he's seen 544 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 6: somebody drag verbody out a car and put it into 545 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 6: like the other car or something like that. 546 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 8: Where was this? 547 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 5: This was on the news. 548 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 6: This was a little bit. I think he got killed 549 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 6: about like a couple of days after, and they had 550 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 6: like a dude on news talking about it. They like 551 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 6: blurt out his face and everything. But like he said 552 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 6: that he's seeing what happened. And now I'm not sure 553 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 6: if you a remember, like on Facebook, somebody recorded the video. 554 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 2: Of his car being on fire, this story about a 555 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 2: witness who'd seen Darren's murder. 556 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: That was news to us. 557 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 2: We searched the internet but couldn't find the news story 558 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 2: Booting was talking about. We also couldn't find the video 559 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 2: of Darren's burning jeep on Facebook and presumed it must 560 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 2: have been scrubbed for terms of service violations. 561 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 6: When he died and I told my dad what happened, 562 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 6: he said that whoever did it, it was definitely personal. 563 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 11: When he was coming up. 564 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 6: You know in streetcats had issues. That's how they kill people. 565 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 6: You know, they would set you on far so to 566 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 6: get rid of the prints and everything. 567 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 2: I wanted voting to tell me about what Darren had 568 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 2: going on in his life. In twenty sixteen, just before 569 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 2: he died. 570 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 6: Just working on a project working on his red skills, 571 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 6: just trying to get them better. He was managing a 572 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 6: group called the Bottom Boys, I believe him, that was 573 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 6: her name. He was managing them at the time, so 574 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 6: he was putting all this resources and tough into them. 575 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 6: So like that last come vote that I talked to 576 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 6: him like he was excited about that. So you know, 577 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 6: like I said, he had a lot of things that 578 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 6: was going on, some good things, you know, like that. 579 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 6: The last conversation was a very good conversation. And I 580 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 6: wish I would have stayed on the phone with on 581 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 6: the follower. 582 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 5: If I would have known. 583 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 11: It that was the last time I would have talked 584 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 11: to him. 585 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 6: I definitely would have just let him keep on talking 586 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 6: and you know, just just. 587 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 11: Talk the day away. 588 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 7: But that's life. 589 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 6: We never know. But I'm glad that you know that 590 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 6: last combo was a good one. We are left on good. 591 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: Times more after the break. 592 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 3: Now back to the show. 593 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 11: So he was shot once, Yeah, she was shot once 594 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 11: behind his ear and it came out the other side 595 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 11: of his ears. Sorry, and he died instantly and through. 596 00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 3: The driver's side window. 597 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 11: Well yeah, so he's sitting in the in the driver's seat. 598 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 11: It's like someone comes up to the car from the outside. Yeah. 599 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 3: Was he apparently trying to pull away at that point 600 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 3: in time or was he like party? 601 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 11: And I don't know. 602 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 3: Did you ever get any kind of like a report 603 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 3: or anything you might be able to pass along. 604 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 11: No, I didn't that. I don't feel like they put 605 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 11: into the case. 606 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 3: On this call, I'm speaking with Dante Joshua. I know 607 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 3: it may sound like we're talking about the murder of 608 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 3: Darren Seals. 609 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 6: We're not. 610 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 3: We're talking about the murder of Dante's twin brother, DeAndre Joshua. 611 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 3: DeAndre is one of the people whose death gets listed 612 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 3: as one of the Ferguson Mystery deaths. This is because 613 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 3: DeAndre was close friends with Dorian Johnson, the young man 614 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 3: who was walking with Mike Brown Junior when he was 615 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 3: killed by Officer Darren Wilson, and because DeAndre happened to 616 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 3: have been murdered on the night when it was announced 617 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 3: that Darren Wilson would not be indicted for that killing. 618 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 3: The reason we're calling Dante to talk about his brother 619 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 3: is because the manner in which he was murdered is 620 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 3: so strikingly similar to that of Darren Seals. Both men 621 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 3: were shot in the head while in cars that were 622 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 3: set on fire. Though the car DeAndre was in didn't 623 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 3: fully burn, we figured the similarity in tactics was worth 624 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 3: looking into. The police still haven't solved his brother's murder, 625 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 3: so we asked Dante if he thought he knew who 626 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 3: was responsible, and surprisingly he had a name. 627 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 6: Did you all ever have a suspect? 628 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 11: I really don't think I should straying these We assumed 629 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 11: somebody did it, and our podcasted because it was like 630 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 11: our friends. So now that he just got locked up 631 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 11: with a sick murders and two of them was in 632 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 11: the area that the siding, should he killed my brother? 633 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 3: Was it similar where he tried to burn the bodies 634 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 3: one of them? 635 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: You? 636 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 3: Now, can I ask you if if the person's facing 637 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 3: charges on six murders, then what is the harm? And 638 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 3: thrown the name out there? 639 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 11: I mean it was read. 640 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 7: It was ok. 641 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 11: They used to shoot Dicelt all the time. 642 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 3: Darren Seals was killed in the early morning hours between 643 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 3: September fifth and sixth, twenty sixteen. We started our investigation 644 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 3: into his death in early twenty twenty two, with the 645 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 3: police unable to give us their report detailing what leads 646 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 3: they had and which ones were worth pursuing. We were 647 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 3: going to have to talk to everyone we could who 648 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 3: knew Darren or who had any information regarding what was 649 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 3: going on in his life right before he died. As 650 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 3: DeAndre Joshua was killed two years before Darren, did it 651 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 3: matter that both men were executed in a similar fashion? 652 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 3: Could their deaths be connected? Or is the fact that 653 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 3: both men were shot in the head and left in 654 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 3: burning cars merely a coincidence? And what should be made 655 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 3: of Dante Joshua's suspicion that his brother was killed by 656 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 3: the now incarcerated Perez Read a man who, as of 657 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 3: this writing, has been accused of seven murders, A man 658 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 3: who's been dubbed a serial killer. That's next time on 659 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 3: After the Uprising. After the Uprising is a production of 660 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 3: Double Asterisk and iHeart Podcasts in association with True Stories. 661 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 3: Season two was written, reported, and produced by Maria Chappelle, Nadal, 662 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 3: John Duffy, Malory Kenoy, and Renovashwski. 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